Very nice review, make more! :D

Very nice review, make more! :D

BWAHAHAHAAA

Funny stuff, but I do feel bad for you ;)

SecuROM is evil…

BWAHAHAHAAA

Funny stuff, but I do feel bad for you ;)

SecuROM is evil…

I totally agree. I tend to avoid games, read: Spore, GTA4, because of the DRM on them.

The only DRM i find that is effective is Steam. It is DRM done correctly, in that you can download a copy of the game as many times as you wish. Also, if the steam service ever stops working, the offline mode will enable you to continue to play your games.

I totally agree. I tend to avoid games, read: Spore, GTA4, because of the DRM on them.

The only DRM i find that is effective is Steam. It is DRM done correctly, in that you can download a copy of the game as many times as you wish. Also, if the steam service ever stops working, the offline mode will enable you to continue to play your games.

Avast ye hardies, set sail.

Avast ye hardies, set sail.

Yep, SecuROM is quite possibly one of the most consumer-hostile inventions on this planet. It punishes the people who legally bought the game, and encourages them to become pirates so they won’t have to deal with that crap!

What’s worse, I’ve had my PC reject my perfectly legally-bought CD of Command and Conquer 3 and tell me, “Please use an original disc and not a backup.” It made me spew bilious hatred at the uncaring vacant sky.

Yep, SecuROM is quite possibly one of the most consumer-hostile inventions on this planet. It punishes the people who legally bought the game, and encourages them to become pirates so they won’t have to deal with that crap!

What’s worse, I’ve had my PC reject my perfectly legally-bought CD of Command and Conquer 3 and tell me, “Please use an original disc and not a backup.” It made me spew bilious hatred at the uncaring vacant sky.

Nice.

I can hardly believe, despite all the bitching from -everybody-, that these guys are still using this ineffective bullshit.
What the hell, man?

Nice.

I can hardly believe, despite all the bitching from -everybody-, that these guys are still using this ineffective bullshit.
What the hell, man?

man I hate DRMs like SecuROM

if I were you I would really pirate that shit just in spite of Atari those A holes

man I hate DRMs like SecuROM

if I were you I would really pirate that shit just in spite of Atari those A holes

it also uses tages. should have read up a bit more before i bought it

it also uses tages. should have read up a bit more before i bought it

That really blows. I’m not much of a pirate, but shit like this makes me want to pirate EVERYTHING for the sake of doing so.

That really blows. I’m not much of a pirate, but shit like this makes me want to pirate EVERYTHING for the sake of doing so.

The irony about this is, Atari is publically known to be in really bad financial trouble and could go bankrupt within a year. Enjoy your coaster after that!

The irony about this is, Atari is publically known to be in really bad financial trouble and could go bankrupt within a year. Enjoy your coaster after that!

I’d have to agree with alot of people commenting about pirating, definatly pirate every game you want really, if the companies are aloud to cheat you, the buyer, out of hard earned cash only to limit how many times you can install a game that you yourself have purchased, sure as hell cheat them back. Its like myself, when i’m done with a game I uninstall it to save on hard drive space because I have alot of crap on my system, I should be able to rely on that same disk to work every time I want to reinstall a game I want to play.

If you have bought the game you should be allowed to use any means to get it to work.
Fex, If you own a NES game it’s not illegal to download the rom and play it on a emulator.

If you have bought the game you should be allowed to use any means to get it to work.
Fex, If you own a NES game it’s not illegal to download the rom and play it on a emulator.

Three instalation limit? What the hell is that? Are they mad? Just hearing about it makes me fill like going and downloading cracked version from torrents, just because… And I don’t even care about this game.

DRM is a disease, a cancer of video gaming, it is a plague, and pirates…are the cure.

DRM is a disease, a cancer of video gaming, it is a plague, and pirates…are the cure.

no, pirates are the reason for the existence of DRM, not the cure lol stupidest thing ive ever read.

Ugh. Bad DRM makes me sad. : (
That’s too bad. I was kind of looking forward to this title as well. I guess I’m not anymore.
Thank you for the warning Noah.

Ugh. Bad DRM makes me sad. : (
That’s too bad. I was kind of looking forward to this title as well. I guess I’m not anymore.
Thank you for the warning Noah.

Pirating should be used by anyone who just doesn’t give enough of a shit to buy a 65 dollar game that promises almost no real, promising gameplay (like left4dead for example). I’d say it is closer to renting the game rather than stealing it since most of the games with online play that you can pirate limits you to single player… if even that.

And, honestly, what amount of legal enforcers will go onto your computer and penalize you for having a ROM of Final Fantasy 2 on your hard drive? It really isn’t a big deal at all.

Pirating should be used by anyone who just doesn’t give enough of a shit to buy a 65 dollar game that promises almost no real, promising gameplay (like left4dead for example). I’d say it is closer to renting the game rather than stealing it since most of the games with online play that you can pirate limits you to single player… if even that.

And, honestly, what amount of legal enforcers will go onto your computer and penalize you for having a ROM of Final Fantasy 2 on your hard drive? It really isn’t a big deal at all.

This would have been the best game ever. Im not buying it, maybe someday i will download it somewhere.

SecuROM is almost as illegal as pirating itself. By law when you BUY the game you OWN it and you should be able to use it, sell it and last but not least – BE ALLOWED TO MAKE A BACKUP COPY. Of course the last bit has been made nearly impossible in the last few decades because as soon as you mention “copying” you are slapped with the pirate sticker and every damn media standard makes “casual copying” nearly impossible. But ok, we learned to live with it.

However not being able to make a backup copy by any legal means is not enough these days. Now when you buy the product, not just you can’t SELL it, you don’t even OWN it anymore! Argh.

It’s ridicilous – the only way to get your legal rights on it is to acquire it illegally.

P.S. Btw in my country there is an additional tax on all hardware, software, audio and video products which “compensates” for piracy losses. So not just a pay for stuff I cannot own, I overpay it. Peachy.

SecuROM is almost as illegal as pirating itself. By law when you BUY the game you OWN it and you should be able to use it, sell it and last but not least – BE ALLOWED TO MAKE A BACKUP COPY. Of course the last bit has been made nearly impossible in the last few decades because as soon as you mention “copying” you are slapped with the pirate sticker and every damn media standard makes “casual copying” nearly impossible. But ok, we learned to live with it.

However not being able to make a backup copy by any legal means is not enough these days. Now when you buy the product, not just you can’t SELL it, you don’t even OWN it anymore! Argh.

It’s ridicilous – the only way to get your legal rights on it is to acquire it illegally.

P.S. Btw in my country there is an additional tax on all hardware, software, audio and video products which “compensates” for piracy losses. So not just a pay for stuff I cannot own, I overpay it. Peachy.

HAHAHAHA! That’s fucked up man. I take it you weren’t amongs the first three that rented the game? I wonder what the rental company said about that?

HAHAHAHA! That’s fucked up man. I take it you weren’t amongs the first three that rented the game? I wonder what the rental company said about that?

@Kwokkie

You didn’t just miss the point, you missed the galaxy.

@Kwokkie

You didn’t just miss the point, you missed the galaxy.

I don’t think so. If Noah was complaining about copy protection, there are a lot more games to complain about. I think Noah’s point is that it’s a rental and that the game is limited in the amount of installs, meaning only the first three to rent the game get to actually play it.

I don’t think so. If Noah was complaining about copy protection, there are a lot more games to complain about. I think Noah’s point is that it’s a rental and that the game is limited in the amount of installs, meaning only the first three to rent the game get to actually play it.

DRM is what pisses me off about PC games and why I pick console over PC games even though the graphics are inferior.

A wait; I think I see. You thought my first comment was a reply to your post I guess. Apologies, it was a comment on the video blog. :-p

A wait; I think I see. You thought my first comment was a reply to your post I guess. Apologies, it was a comment on the video blog. :-p

A wait; I think I see. You thought my first comment was a reply to your post I guess. Apologies, it was a comment on the video blog. :-p

Baba, you are right in more ways then one.

SecuROM is in some ways a virus – it gets installed with the game but doesn’t get uninstalled when you remove the game. The support for removing it (via additional tool you have to download) has only been added as an afterthought following a litigation suit.

Also, I don’t know how close you followed the Spore fiasco, but some of that stuff is precious. The official reason for “limited to 5 installations” (or 3 in Riddick case I suppose) is supposedly a huge study EA made that shows over 99% of the customers only install the software up to 2 times. This is so much BS one cannot simply believe it – every game I own has been installed a minimum of three times for various reasons I will not name since they are natural and logical to anyone who ever owned a PC.

DON’T BUY SECUROM GAMES. Don’t be a sheep. The only reason why game companies get away with it is because even with all the crap customers have to shove down their own throat they STILL BUY THE DAMN GAMES. I’ll even go as far and suggest pirating the damn game if you really feel you MUST play it – sure it’s illegal, but if the other side isn’t playing fair, why should you?

Baba, you are right in more ways then one.

SecuROM is in some ways a virus – it gets installed with the game but doesn’t get uninstalled when you remove the game. The support for removing it (via additional tool you have to download) has only been added as an afterthought following a litigation suit.

Also, I don’t know how close you followed the Spore fiasco, but some of that stuff is precious. The official reason for “limited to 5 installations” (or 3 in Riddick case I suppose) is supposedly a huge study EA made that shows over 99% of the customers only install the software up to 2 times. This is so much BS one cannot simply believe it – every game I own has been installed a minimum of three times for various reasons I will not name since they are natural and logical to anyone who ever owned a PC.

DON’T BUY SECUROM GAMES. Don’t be a sheep. The only reason why game companies get away with it is because even with all the crap customers have to shove down their own throat they STILL BUY THE DAMN GAMES. I’ll even go as far and suggest pirating the damn game if you really feel you MUST play it – sure it’s illegal, but if the other side isn’t playing fair, why should you?

No, kwokkie, Noah called the game a “55$ rental” because you SecuROM effectively turns your purchased game into a rental (after three installations you cannot install and play it anymore even though you own it).

But ok, whatever works for you, I guess.

@baba.
Ah, I thought he said 5$ rental. You’re right.

@baba.
Ah, I thought he said 5$ rental. You’re right.

What’s the point of having such a idiotic copyprotect system? You bought the game (legally) you should be able to do whatever the hell you want with it after that. Limiting the amount of installations is just way beyond stupid. No wonder why Spoony got so riled up for this…

What’s the point of having such a idiotic copyprotect system? You bought the game (legally) you should be able to do whatever the hell you want with it after that. Limiting the amount of installations is just way beyond stupid. No wonder why Spoony got so riled up for this…

#19 and #25 are so right.

I live in Spain, one of the first countries in terms of piracy. Why? It takes years for new games to come out here, and they are even more expensive than in countries that already had them (because of the same thing baba said, the “compensation”). Hell, I went to the UK last week and I was able to get a copy of the Orange Box for 15 pounds, whereas in Steam it costs me up to 20€ just for TF2 (the whole Box costs 30€, double the price). What the heck. Now I think that’s the price in other countries too, but man… damn.
I’m no expert in this issue but I think that’s one of the main causes.

Also, I’d like to bring up something a lawyer said once about the piracy law in spain: it actually costs you more (be it jail time or money) to download a song than stealing a whole discography from a mall, and copying a disc than leaving an HIV infected syringe in a public park.

Who the heck wants civil rights and just laws when there are people stealing Pokemon roms out there.

I’m not anti-DRM, but Atari is completely insane with Dark Althena. If it was just SecuROM with three installs and no deathorization I’d just shrug it off and ignore the game. Oh, but no, Atari had to go the extra mile and add two further layers of DRM. One of this is the harmless (mostly) TAGES and the other is a new version of SolidShield which is a second layer of activation. I’m going to paraphrase what I said on another forum as it fits my thoughts perfectly:

“Why the fuck should I have to call Atari and beg for their permission to install a game I spent fifty fucking dollars on? Its total bullshit.

I’m not usually the type of person who is completely anti-DRM. I can handle activation, but ONLY if the publisher allows me to revoke my installs by uninstalling. I like to keep games on my computer for a long time. If I’m not playing a game for review I take my time with it and can spends months or years beating a game as I jump from game to game. I install games off and on a lot. I got Bioshock when it came out and I’ve probably installed it six times since than. I’ve already used three of my five Mass Effect installs and if wasn’t for EA releasing that tool I’d have used up a fourth later this month when I upgrade and have to reinstall my OS.

This activation with no viable way to regain activations is absolute bullshit, plain and simple. I won’t be buying Dark Althena. I won’t be pirating Dark Althena. I won’t be buying it on consoles. I won’t even be renting it for consoles. I will not play the game at all. Atari can kiss my ass.”

And one more:

“The new version of SolidShield or TAGES alone would be enough to stop zero day piracy, which is the major issue for PC games. There is absolutely no reason to use THREE different DRM schemes. Different DRM does NOT work well together. It is only going to end up fucking over the legit customer who is going to have to deal with this shit when it comes patch time. Unless their careful a patch could easily fuck any any of those three. I mean its not like we don’t have multiple examples of patches making SecuROM not work. If a patch messes with SecuROM or SolidShield the game just simply won’t launch. If it messes with TAGES the game will launch, but it will be essentially unplayable.

Atari has every right to protect their IP, I’m not saying they don’t, but this is beyond bad. I don’t mind SecuROM. I can live with it as long as I have a way to get my installs back without having to beg a company.

All in all, this hurts the legit customer ONLY. It does nothing to pirates because they will crack the game. They will play it without any issue. This is only going to piss off people who buy the game. What do you think is going to happen if a patch comes up that makes the game unplayable? What if Atari goes belly-up, like they’re always in danger of doing? I sure as fuck don’t trust Atari to patch SolidShield and SecuROM activation out of the game.

If they release a version on Steam without all of this bullshit, like EA does, I’ll look into it. Until then Atari won’t be getting a penny from me for the game. I won’t play it in any form.”

You will have to excuse the colorful language I was rather peeved about the situation at the time.

I’m not anti-DRM, but Atari is completely insane with Dark Althena. If it was just SecuROM with three installs and no deathorization I’d just shrug it off and ignore the game. Oh, but no, Atari had to go the extra mile and add two further layers of DRM. One of this is the harmless (mostly) TAGES and the other is a new version of SolidShield which is a second layer of activation. I’m going to paraphrase what I said on another forum as it fits my thoughts perfectly:

“Why the fuck should I have to call Atari and beg for their permission to install a game I spent fifty fucking dollars on? Its total bullshit.

I’m not usually the type of person who is completely anti-DRM. I can handle activation, but ONLY if the publisher allows me to revoke my installs by uninstalling. I like to keep games on my computer for a long time. If I’m not playing a game for review I take my time with it and can spends months or years beating a game as I jump from game to game. I install games off and on a lot. I got Bioshock when it came out and I’ve probably installed it six times since than. I’ve already used three of my five Mass Effect installs and if wasn’t for EA releasing that tool I’d have used up a fourth later this month when I upgrade and have to reinstall my OS.

This activation with no viable way to regain activations is absolute bullshit, plain and simple. I won’t be buying Dark Althena. I won’t be pirating Dark Althena. I won’t be buying it on consoles. I won’t even be renting it for consoles. I will not play the game at all. Atari can kiss my ass.”

And one more:

“The new version of SolidShield or TAGES alone would be enough to stop zero day piracy, which is the major issue for PC games. There is absolutely no reason to use THREE different DRM schemes. Different DRM does NOT work well together. It is only going to end up fucking over the legit customer who is going to have to deal with this shit when it comes patch time. Unless their careful a patch could easily fuck any any of those three. I mean its not like we don’t have multiple examples of patches making SecuROM not work. If a patch messes with SecuROM or SolidShield the game just simply won’t launch. If it messes with TAGES the game will launch, but it will be essentially unplayable.

Atari has every right to protect their IP, I’m not saying they don’t, but this is beyond bad. I don’t mind SecuROM. I can live with it as long as I have a way to get my installs back without having to beg a company.

All in all, this hurts the legit customer ONLY. It does nothing to pirates because they will crack the game. They will play it without any issue. This is only going to piss off people who buy the game. What do you think is going to happen if a patch comes up that makes the game unplayable? What if Atari goes belly-up, like they’re always in danger of doing? I sure as fuck don’t trust Atari to patch SolidShield and SecuROM activation out of the game.

If they release a version on Steam without all of this bullshit, like EA does, I’ll look into it. Until then Atari won’t be getting a penny from me for the game. I won’t play it in any form.”

You will have to excuse the colorful language I was rather peeved about the situation at the time.

hehe SEH-curom
Anyway, @Jackie

How is buying SecuROM games being a sheep? A lot of good games are protected using its system. Crysis for instance. Its a load of BS but we have to put up with it because PC is the easiest games system to pirate on. Despite this copy-protection its always cracked pretty quickly anyway (I believe the protection on Spore was cracked a week before its release in the UK at least). I don’t mind having to put my disc in to verify it but when you get this crap about limited installations (Something I’ve never dealt with) it really just seems pointless to me.

hehe SEH-curom
Anyway, @Jackie

How is buying SecuROM games being a sheep? A lot of good games are protected using its system. Crysis for instance. Its a load of BS but we have to put up with it because PC is the easiest games system to pirate on. Despite this copy-protection its always cracked pretty quickly anyway (I believe the protection on Spore was cracked a week before its release in the UK at least). I don’t mind having to put my disc in to verify it but when you get this crap about limited installations (Something I’ve never dealt with) it really just seems pointless to me.

my 2c : copy protection is absolutelly useless, ppl who want to buy the game will pay for it weather it’s protected or not ( at least those who want to play it online will ), so instead of investing time and money into crap protection that gets cracked anyway ( and sometimes damages the game, see spore ) why not invest that money into testing the game better and fixing bugs, or optimizing it so that you don’t need need to buy a new pc every 3 months to play the latest game, or spend more time designing the gameplay and levels so you don’t keep doing the same crap over and over…. the list of things that would be better investments than copy protection could go on for miles

my 2c : copy protection is absolutelly useless, ppl who want to buy the game will pay for it weather it’s protected or not ( at least those who want to play it online will ), so instead of investing time and money into crap protection that gets cracked anyway ( and sometimes damages the game, see spore ) why not invest that money into testing the game better and fixing bugs, or optimizing it so that you don’t need need to buy a new pc every 3 months to play the latest game, or spend more time designing the gameplay and levels so you don’t keep doing the same crap over and over…. the list of things that would be better investments than copy protection could go on for miles

Ugh! Thank god I don’t have to tolerate this crap on the Playstation 3. Even if you could buy an ultra-powerful PC, you’d still have to limit your game purchases depending on the games’ DRM, assuming that you don’t pirate games.

Ugh! Thank god I don’t have to tolerate this crap on the Playstation 3. Even if you could buy an ultra-powerful PC, you’d still have to limit your game purchases depending on the games’ DRM, assuming that you don’t pirate games.

DRM depends entirely on your threshold for retarded bullshit because serial numbers for multiplayer games and accounts for MMOG’s are the only things that actually work against piracy. Everything else added is simply that, retarded bullshit added for no real reason except showing stockholders and investors “Here, we’re totally save from pirates and ninjas” even though even the most stupid developer executive knows he’s lying through his teeth there. Pirates don’t care about the DRM, pirates don’t even notice this shit. Honest customers do. And having a game that is uncracked for the first 2 weeks is an accomplishment? Really? Sure, there are enough ADD sufferers in our little circle, but 2 weeks patience for 60 bucks sounds like a good deal to me and probably many pirates as well.

I begrudgingly put up with disc-based DRM, even though playing an older game where the effective solution to play it under XP is basically “download the crack” pisses me of to no end. But online limited activation? No, just … no.

DRM depends entirely on your threshold for retarded bullshit because serial numbers for multiplayer games and accounts for MMOG’s are the only things that actually work against piracy. Everything else added is simply that, retarded bullshit added for no real reason except showing stockholders and investors “Here, we’re totally save from pirates and ninjas” even though even the most stupid developer executive knows he’s lying through his teeth there. Pirates don’t care about the DRM, pirates don’t even notice this shit. Honest customers do. And having a game that is uncracked for the first 2 weeks is an accomplishment? Really? Sure, there are enough ADD sufferers in our little circle, but 2 weeks patience for 60 bucks sounds like a good deal to me and probably many pirates as well.

I begrudgingly put up with disc-based DRM, even though playing an older game where the effective solution to play it under XP is basically “download the crack” pisses me of to no end. But online limited activation? No, just … no.

shoulda got the console version XD

shoulda got the console version XD

True story. Nothing more to say.

True story. Nothing more to say.

It’s just something about that last smile before it ends that just makes me laugh so hard… :D

And it didn’t work from me! I installed it – didn’t work -uninstall – install again – didn’t work and now I’m down to 1 install i just won’t risk it! Now I’m going to give it back hopefully they won’t check from the cd :)

And it didn’t work from me! I installed it – didn’t work -uninstall – install again – didn’t work and now I’m down to 1 install i just won’t risk it! Now I’m going to give it back hopefully they won’t check from the cd :)

Does anyone know the title of the song at the end?

Does anyone know the title of the song at the end?

The funny thing is that people have to get illegal programs to overwrite the SecuROM to actually get the game to work. I smell the scent of fail.

I simply don’t understand how idiotic the game companies can be.

OK, put limited number of installs. Hell, make it only one. But if I uninstall the game, give me that one install back. Or give it back in the case of fatal error.

But if you tell me outright I have only three IRREVOCABLE installs, which means I can plomp 60$, have the game not work and all you will do is pull your pants down and offer me your ass to kiss it, then to hell with you. I’ll go with an ensured quality of service and certified pleasure of playing without hassle – the torrent way.

I simply don’t understand how idiotic the game companies can be.

OK, put limited number of installs. Hell, make it only one. But if I uninstall the game, give me that one install back. Or give it back in the case of fatal error.

But if you tell me outright I have only three IRREVOCABLE installs, which means I can plomp 60$, have the game not work and all you will do is pull your pants down and offer me your ass to kiss it, then to hell with you. I’ll go with an ensured quality of service and certified pleasure of playing without hassle – the torrent way.

Well, to be fair, the DRM limits you to unlimited installs on 3 machines, as opposed to 3 installs overall.

Well, to be fair, the DRM limits you to unlimited installs on 3 machines, as opposed to 3 installs overall.

I completely agree with the point you make in the video. Besides, new Riddick has been already published on torrent sites on 7th April with all of DRMs CRACKED, so what’s the fuckin’ point of that.

@ GreenEE6- right, but SUCK-urom thinks you’ve got a new PC even when you just plug a new RAM or GPU. That’s great. I won’t buy the game, thanks to this DRM abomination. Fuck you, Atari.

I completely agree with the point you make in the video. Besides, new Riddick has been already published on torrent sites on 7th April with all of DRMs CRACKED, so what’s the fuckin’ point of that.

@ GreenEE6- right, but SUCK-urom thinks you’ve got a new PC even when you just plug a new RAM or GPU. That’s great. I won’t buy the game, thanks to this DRM abomination. Fuck you, Atari.

@ Neon25 no there havent been any working crack because I’m trying to find one to play the game and there is nothing! Guess even for hackers this is hard to crack!

@ Neon25 no there havent been any working crack because I’m trying to find one to play the game and there is nothing! Guess even for hackers this is hard to crack!

limited installations should be illegal.
there are other ways to protect your software.

limited installations should be illegal.
there are other ways to protect your software.

And that’s why I bought the 360 version =)

And that’s why I’m a console fan instead of a PC fan.

Because all they have to do to protect their games is make them run like they do in a console. You can’t play the game unless the disc is in the drive.

And honestly, I doubt “software piracy” was that big of a deal in order to put this crap on the installs in the first place.

Sure you would have some kid buy the game and then either burn it to give to his immediate friends who wanted to play it, or they would just loan out the discs for an install…

But at $50 a game, they weren’t exactly losing money.

The real problem with the games not being “secure” is when people rip the discs and distribute the game ONLINE and FOR FREE.

So instead of three or maybe four people getting it for free, per purchase… You’ve got hundreds or THOUSANDS getting it for free per purchase.

But again, I’m a console man because of the ridiculous crap computer game companies pull.

And anyone who says PC is better than Consoles is either lying to you, or to themselves.

Don’t get me wrong, it used to be that PC titles were FAR better. I loved my PC games above most/all of my console games during that time. But then they started introducing all these new security measures that make you jump through hoops just to get the game working (I still hate having to put in the stupid CD Key… Why is it so long!?). It was at that point I decided I’d rather play games that require me to jump through NO HOOPS to play, than games that require me to jump through at least ONE.

>And anyone who says PC is better than Consoles is either lying to you, or to themselves.

You were almost right until you said this.

All console games are now are dumbed down pc games. The only problem is that consolefriends think they are better because they don’t have to deal with “lolpiracy” when in fact piracy happens just as often on consoles. Example: DS flash carts, Mod Chips, chinese knock off games, etc etc.

>And anyone who says PC is better than Consoles is either lying to you, or to themselves.

You were almost right until you said this.

All console games are now are dumbed down pc games. The only problem is that consolefriends think they are better because they don’t have to deal with “lolpiracy” when in fact piracy happens just as often on consoles. Example: DS flash carts, Mod Chips, chinese knock off games, etc etc.

Think that at least morally you now have the right to download a pirated version of the game. You already payed the company money.

I got pretty pissed about Red Alert 3 having 5 Installs Max.

But doesn’t it just count as, 5 registers to the EA Download manager?

Or 5 actual installs? because I’ve got it on my EA DM, as well as Uprising (5 Year Extended download…)

So..

Pretty shitty they’ll get cracked Anyway so what’s the point? EVERYTHING can get cracked. Except online games like Counter strike source.

I got pretty pissed about Red Alert 3 having 5 Installs Max.

But doesn’t it just count as, 5 registers to the EA Download manager?

Or 5 actual installs? because I’ve got it on my EA DM, as well as Uprising (5 Year Extended download…)

So..

Pretty shitty they’ll get cracked Anyway so what’s the point? EVERYTHING can get cracked. Except online games like Counter strike source.

>>And anyone who says PC is better than Consoles is either lying to you, or to themselves.

“You were almost right until you said this.

All console games are now are dumbed down pc games. The only problem is that consolefriends think they are better because they don’t have to deal with “lolpiracy” when in fact piracy happens just as often on consoles. Example: DS flash carts, Mod Chips, chinese knock off games, etc etc.”

They may be “dumbed down” PC games. But at least you don’t have to use the entire keyboard to play a game. You don’t have to use mouse controls AND keyboard controls at the same time (which is difficult to learn how to do in the first place). You also don’t have all this crap having to do with “security”.

Now, I’m not stupid. I know that regardless of where the game is played, someone is going to pirate it. It’s a law of nature these days that someone will pirate it.

My complaint is that PC games have given me a VERY BIG reason to hate them, with all these hoops to jump through just to install their game ONCE. Luckily, I’ve never had to install it TWICE. But, I do dread the day this computer perma-crashes and I have to reinstall a lot of these games I bought. Especially the games I got from EA.

So, while PC games have decided to make it close to impossible to ever play their games… Consoles have remained the same through the years. There are no more hoops to jump through to play a console game TODAY than there were twenty years ago. It’s unchanged.

But, you get to PC games and they’ve added so much security that it’s like trying to ask the government to sell you rocket fuel.

You have the “the game can only be played with the disc in it, even though you INSTALLED THE ENTIRE GAME TO YOUR HARDDRIVE” thing. Then you’ve got the “CD Key” junk, which is useless unless you play online and they happen to catch two people playing at the same time using the same CD Key (which almost never happens). Then you’ve got the Secu-Rom BS. Then you’ve got the “Digital Downloads” garbage and all the problems that raises… You’ve got “limited amounts of downloads to prevent TOO MUCH piracy”.

It is SERIOUSLY just a clusterfuck. Oh, and if the game for the PC doesn’t work, you gotta jump back through all the hoops AGAIN… Or, you have to reinstall it, which uses up one of your “limited installs”. Heaven forbid a computer crash too, best case scenario, it just uses up one of your “limited installs”. Worst case scenario, it doesn’t even let you install it once because you’re using a different PC with a different IP address or what-have-you, and it declares you a pirate.

I mean, do you really need any better reason to hate PC games or PC gamers? I’ll take the dumbed down PC games on the console over that relentless garbage any day. I don’t play a game to fill out forms and jump through security hoops for an hour or two before getting to gameplay. No, I want to pop a game in and play it the instant the drive closes.

>>And anyone who says PC is better than Consoles is either lying to you, or to themselves.

“You were almost right until you said this.

All console games are now are dumbed down pc games. The only problem is that consolefriends think they are better because they don’t have to deal with “lolpiracy” when in fact piracy happens just as often on consoles. Example: DS flash carts, Mod Chips, chinese knock off games, etc etc.”

They may be “dumbed down” PC games. But at least you don’t have to use the entire keyboard to play a game. You don’t have to use mouse controls AND keyboard controls at the same time (which is difficult to learn how to do in the first place). You also don’t have all this crap having to do with “security”.

Now, I’m not stupid. I know that regardless of where the game is played, someone is going to pirate it. It’s a law of nature these days that someone will pirate it.

My complaint is that PC games have given me a VERY BIG reason to hate them, with all these hoops to jump through just to install their game ONCE. Luckily, I’ve never had to install it TWICE. But, I do dread the day this computer perma-crashes and I have to reinstall a lot of these games I bought. Especially the games I got from EA.

So, while PC games have decided to make it close to impossible to ever play their games… Consoles have remained the same through the years. There are no more hoops to jump through to play a console game TODAY than there were twenty years ago. It’s unchanged.

But, you get to PC games and they’ve added so much security that it’s like trying to ask the government to sell you rocket fuel.

You have the “the game can only be played with the disc in it, even though you INSTALLED THE ENTIRE GAME TO YOUR HARDDRIVE” thing. Then you’ve got the “CD Key” junk, which is useless unless you play online and they happen to catch two people playing at the same time using the same CD Key (which almost never happens). Then you’ve got the Secu-Rom BS. Then you’ve got the “Digital Downloads” garbage and all the problems that raises… You’ve got “limited amounts of downloads to prevent TOO MUCH piracy”.

It is SERIOUSLY just a clusterfuck. Oh, and if the game for the PC doesn’t work, you gotta jump back through all the hoops AGAIN… Or, you have to reinstall it, which uses up one of your “limited installs”. Heaven forbid a computer crash too, best case scenario, it just uses up one of your “limited installs”. Worst case scenario, it doesn’t even let you install it once because you’re using a different PC with a different IP address or what-have-you, and it declares you a pirate.

I mean, do you really need any better reason to hate PC games or PC gamers? I’ll take the dumbed down PC games on the console over that relentless garbage any day. I don’t play a game to fill out forms and jump through security hoops for an hour or two before getting to gameplay. No, I want to pop a game in and play it the instant the drive closes.

Well, that settles it. No Riddick for me, then. Thanks for the headsup, Spoony.

DRM, or how PC gamers get screwed over. When stealing the game is easier and more reliable than buying the game, you have just shot thyself in the leg.

DRM, or how PC gamers get screwed over. When stealing the game is easier and more reliable than buying the game, you have just shot thyself in the leg.

One of the reasons I wont get games like spore. The one game I did get that had it I ended up tracking down all the files for it and put it on a mem stick.

One of the reasons I wont get games like spore. The one game I did get that had it I ended up tracking down all the files for it and put it on a mem stick.

Honest to God, this isn’t even INTELLIGENT. It doesn’t work. What the hell do they think this is going to do besides ENCOURAGE people to pirate the game?

Fucking dumbasses.

Honest to God, this isn’t even INTELLIGENT. It doesn’t work. What the hell do they think this is going to do besides ENCOURAGE people to pirate the game?

Fucking dumbasses.

Tai MT:

I agree on how much bullshit you go through to play PC games compared to their console ports. There is only two things I disagree with you on…

It is actually much EASIER to play with a mouse and keyboard than with a controller, IMO. Mouse sensitivity the biggest contributing factor to this. You can move around much easier and much faster, especially with First Person Games.

This also contributes to having a much better framerate on PC than you do on consoles, both PS3 and 360. It’s incomparable. You’ve got a good enough PC and you’ll never dip below 55 fps.

Graphics… do I even have to explain it? PC far out kills the consoles.

It doesn’t excuse the fact that it is actually the copy protection bullshit (not piracy) is what is killing PC games. There is so much lack of trust among these companies to their customers it is sickening.

That is why, provided you are smart about it, PC gaming is much more fulfilling than Consoles. Personally I think Steam is a very good program to download PC games. Any game you buy online through steam is known through your account and you can reinstall any game in your account as much as you want. Even if you bought the disc for it, if it goes through steam, you can download it again online.

Also, educate yourself on what companies use what type of copy protection, if any. EA is VERY notorious for using the worst copy protection, so I would be very careful with them.

Never buy a PC game the day it comes out. Learn about it and read customer reviews before you buy it.

This is why it’s also good to have at least one of the current gen consoles in addition to a good PC. If you have to deal with too much bullshit that you don’t want to deal with, buy it for the consoles.

Tai MT:

I agree on how much bullshit you go through to play PC games compared to their console ports. There is only two things I disagree with you on…

It is actually much EASIER to play with a mouse and keyboard than with a controller, IMO. Mouse sensitivity the biggest contributing factor to this. You can move around much easier and much faster, especially with First Person Games.

This also contributes to having a much better framerate on PC than you do on consoles, both PS3 and 360. It’s incomparable. You’ve got a good enough PC and you’ll never dip below 55 fps.

Graphics… do I even have to explain it? PC far out kills the consoles.

It doesn’t excuse the fact that it is actually the copy protection bullshit (not piracy) is what is killing PC games. There is so much lack of trust among these companies to their customers it is sickening.

That is why, provided you are smart about it, PC gaming is much more fulfilling than Consoles. Personally I think Steam is a very good program to download PC games. Any game you buy online through steam is known through your account and you can reinstall any game in your account as much as you want. Even if you bought the disc for it, if it goes through steam, you can download it again online.

Also, educate yourself on what companies use what type of copy protection, if any. EA is VERY notorious for using the worst copy protection, so I would be very careful with them.

Never buy a PC game the day it comes out. Learn about it and read customer reviews before you buy it.

This is why it’s also good to have at least one of the current gen consoles in addition to a good PC. If you have to deal with too much bullshit that you don’t want to deal with, buy it for the consoles.

It is legal in the US to make backups of the games you own given that they don’t have copyright protection. Backup is defined as a copy of the game that is capable of running the game. Read the Digital Millennium Copyright Act of 1998. We are all pretty much screwed.

It is legal in the US to make backups of the games you own given that they don’t have copyright protection. Backup is defined as a copy of the game that is capable of running the game. Read the Digital Millennium Copyright Act of 1998. We are all pretty much screwed.

Ah, DRM. A device which is designed to limit piracy when in fact the only people it ACTUALLY effects are the people who purchase the game legally, thus making pirating an even more attractive proposition.

As for PC vs. Console, a PC is better if you’re a real hardcore gamer or if you’re really into RTS games. Consoles play most of the same games for significantly cheaper and it’s going to look better unless you have a very good PC.

Wow, at first I thought Atari was finally doing smart stuff IE. getting the rights to publish Riddick and the Ghostbusters game. But now this? Wow, just wow. Well this really doesn’t effect me much considering there is no way my PC can handle Riddick and I intended to get it for my PS3 anyway, but it really sucks for pure PC gamers.

Oh Spoony…why do you even buy the game for the pc if you own an xbox360? I’ve given up on PC games a long, loooooooong time ago and I couldn’t be more happy. Say what you want about consoles the best thing about them is that you don’t have to deal with stupid installations, security (and the many problems that come with that bs) or that you don’t have a good enough hardware to play the newest games. The only reason I still got Windows (installed on my Mac ;) ) is that I still play some old West-RPGs now and then like Baldur’s Gate or Fallout.

Oh Spoony…why do you even buy the game for the pc if you own an xbox360? I’ve given up on PC games a long, loooooooong time ago and I couldn’t be more happy. Say what you want about consoles the best thing about them is that you don’t have to deal with stupid installations, security (and the many problems that come with that bs) or that you don’t have a good enough hardware to play the newest games. The only reason I still got Windows (installed on my Mac ;) ) is that I still play some old West-RPGs now and then like Baldur’s Gate or Fallout.

Oh boy…

are ya gonna return it for the 360 version?

@Sam from a couple pages back

The thing about limited installs on EA games, at least they provide you with a couple tools to get your activations back. They have a all-in-one tool that you can download, most of the games have the de-authorizer built into the uninstaller, and some (or maybe just Godfather II) give you the option to de-authorize be running a little application that installs with the game. Of course if you forget to do that, you’re still out an activation.

@Sam from a couple pages back

The thing about limited installs on EA games, at least they provide you with a couple tools to get your activations back. They have a all-in-one tool that you can download, most of the games have the de-authorizer built into the uninstaller, and some (or maybe just Godfather II) give you the option to de-authorize be running a little application that installs with the game. Of course if you forget to do that, you’re still out an activation.

It’s not a 3 install limit, it’s a 3 computer limit.

You know, this kind of shit should be illegal. I’m actually working at an operating system (primarily targeting gamers and younger people) with a large number of friends that’ll be able to enforce a set of sort of ethical standards on software developers by making all software available though an interface comparable to Steam or the iTunes store. I really hope that the success of such a thing forces these fuckwits to spend less time being twats and more time making a game: to put it bluntly, besides the store itself being a sort of DRM in itself, no other DRM will be allowed. Oh, and none of that limited number of installations bullshit.

After all, ANY copy prevention can be circumvented, and they’re just wasting their time; it’s a crime to hurt the legitimate consumer because you can’t possibly cope with the idea of few hundred broke deadbeats playing your game for free with every ten thousand sales or so. You’ll make more money spending that budget making a better game rather than making people (who most of the time can’t afford to play video games anyway) wait a whole three or four days until some hacker comes out with a one click circumvention tool. Probably made more popular by the fact that a large number of legit individuals will need it to play the game anyway! It’s a waste of time, and needs to be banned.

Heh. Maybe Atari tries to dethrone EA and is going for the gold medal of fail. Or they have learned from them. Give it a month and they raise the installation limit to 5 or get out a revoke tool and the press will be showering Atari with praise. Because, hey, a less stinking turd is obviously better despite the fact that you could have no turd at all just as easily.

As for the console fanboys: Congratulations, you are in the console target audience. Just don’t assume everyone is or that this is an absolute OR. I would never play a sports game on a PC and I would never play a FPS on a console if I have a choice. And if you think piracy doesn’t happen on consoles, think again – the current-gen consoles already have pretty nasty DRM, it’s just streamlined better. Pray it stays that way. When those paranoid nutjobs shift their attention from the PC to consoles, you’ll get the same fun, I can promise you that.

Heh. Maybe Atari tries to dethrone EA and is going for the gold medal of fail. Or they have learned from them. Give it a month and they raise the installation limit to 5 or get out a revoke tool and the press will be showering Atari with praise. Because, hey, a less stinking turd is obviously better despite the fact that you could have no turd at all just as easily.

As for the console fanboys: Congratulations, you are in the console target audience. Just don’t assume everyone is or that this is an absolute OR. I would never play a sports game on a PC and I would never play a FPS on a console if I have a choice. And if you think piracy doesn’t happen on consoles, think again – the current-gen consoles already have pretty nasty DRM, it’s just streamlined better. Pray it stays that way. When those paranoid nutjobs shift their attention from the PC to consoles, you’ll get the same fun, I can promise you that.

More five seconders! :D

More five seconders! :D

I really really hate “copyright” protection aimed at only inconveniencing your user. DRM really is pointless. Anyone who’s going to crack your game wasn’t going to pay for it in the first place and the DRM just makes them wait a little longer to do so. A good way to get around this is the same way people do DLC and such, if the DLC requires working CD key and registration and such it can help keep this kind of thing under control by giving people a reason to still buy the game after they played a cracked copy. Or making muliplayer only accessable though an registered system. Or something, seriously there’s gotta be a better way to handle this than this “limited installs” bullcrap that usualy shafts someone with no internet.

I really really hate “copyright” protection aimed at only inconveniencing your user. DRM really is pointless. Anyone who’s going to crack your game wasn’t going to pay for it in the first place and the DRM just makes them wait a little longer to do so. A good way to get around this is the same way people do DLC and such, if the DLC requires working CD key and registration and such it can help keep this kind of thing under control by giving people a reason to still buy the game after they played a cracked copy. Or making muliplayer only accessable though an registered system. Or something, seriously there’s gotta be a better way to handle this than this “limited installs” bullcrap that usualy shafts someone with no internet.

Wow, I was actually looking forward to this, but now I will never ever play it. Thanks, Vin Diesel!

Wow, I was actually looking forward to this, but now I will never ever play it. Thanks, Vin Diesel!

I’m awaiting the terrible day when game companies stop using software copy protection and instead exclusively use hardware copy protection, i.e. consoles.

I’m awaiting the terrible day when game companies stop using software copy protection and instead exclusively use hardware copy protection, i.e. consoles.

This is why God created internet pirates, just download an illegal copy with a SecuROM crack.

This is why God created internet pirates, just download an illegal copy with a SecuROM crack.

Publishers would rather forsake the PC entirely than ship without DRM. They look at the disparity between console and PC sales and say, “Yerp, it must be dem pie-rates who’re stealin ar money!” They forget that people buy consoles to escape all the BS that comes with PC games nowadays, meaning more of a disparity, a cycle that keeps feeding itself. If not for the PC having a lot of legitimate benefits, major publishers would have completely abandoned the platform years ago.

Publishers would rather forsake the PC entirely than ship without DRM. They look at the disparity between console and PC sales and say, “Yerp, it must be dem pie-rates who’re stealin ar money!” They forget that people buy consoles to escape all the BS that comes with PC games nowadays, meaning more of a disparity, a cycle that keeps feeding itself. If not for the PC having a lot of legitimate benefits, major publishers would have completely abandoned the platform years ago.

What really worries me is that one day, games will ship with ONE install, and the installer will just corrupt itself after being used.

I’m thinking they do this shit on purpose to give them an excuse to raise prices on overpriced software as it is. Among other excuses, pirating is always the publishers number 1 complaint. Fuck them.

I’m thinking they do this shit on purpose to give them an excuse to raise prices on overpriced software as it is. Among other excuses, pirating is always the publishers number 1 complaint. Fuck them.

HURR DURR HURR
DRM SUCKS
SO AM I FRESH AND EDGY YET?

HURR DURR HURR
DRM SUCKS
SO AM I FRESH AND EDGY YET?

They release ports for PC because of the HUGE number of them out there (which easily dwarfs the numbers of consoles, netbooks completely changed the pc market, they are starting to realize that pretty soon almost everyone will be carrying one in their bags). of course they then shoot themselves on the foot by poorly optimizing it and requiring powerful vid cards that only less than 0.1% of computer owners have and awful (GTA4PC deserves a special mention with it’s “design for futuristic hardware” crap), crippling DRM, but nobody said they were smart

If you’re going to limit installations they might as well not even put on the PC. It’s bad enough to keep a PC up to date with graphics, RAM, and such with having to worry about how many times you can install it. That’s kinda why I’m glad I’m not much of a PC gamer (my PC is 4 years old and had problems running Oblivion well after I upgraded the graphics card)

If you’re going to limit installations they might as well not even put on the PC. It’s bad enough to keep a PC up to date with graphics, RAM, and such with having to worry about how many times you can install it. That’s kinda why I’m glad I’m not much of a PC gamer (my PC is 4 years old and had problems running Oblivion well after I upgraded the graphics card)

Internet piracy is not an excuse for DRM. How about neither buying the game nor downloading it illegally? Fuckers.

I forsake PC games a long time ago. There’s just too much bullshit. And now it’s carrying over to the console world, what with the long installs, load times, constant downloading patches and updates. Fuck, are things getting better or worse, I can’t tell.

I forsake PC games a long time ago. There’s just too much bullshit. And now it’s carrying over to the console world, what with the long installs, load times, constant downloading patches and updates. Fuck, are things getting better or worse, I can’t tell.

Looks like I’ll be checking this out for the Ps3 or the 360 then.

Thanks for the heads up Noah!

look what you started noah… the never ending argument

look what you started noah… the never ending argument

Whatever. If you want me, I’ll be enjoying my not-crappy 360 version.

Whatever. If you want me, I’ll be enjoying my not-crappy 360 version.

HAHAHAHA
This video is classic Spoony.
Rage with a smile! Ammused by his own dicking over.

HAHAHAHA
This video is classic Spoony.
Rage with a smile! Ammused by his own dicking over.

I’m awaiting the terrible day when game companies stop using software copy protection and instead exclusively use hardware copy protection, i.e. consoles.
#70. Posted by timep | April 11th, 2009 @ 2:50 PM

I’m actually eagerly anticipating that day. Maybe once the megapublishers and their useless, shiny, derivative crap are out of the market, there will be room for people who actually understand the platform (Valve, Blizzard) and small publishers who can’t get a second look because of all the “AAA”s.

At the very least, it would mean no more slow, buggy, un-optimized console ports. Which is a win.

Not to sound like a tool or anything but…
What does DRM stand for?
Did Spoony get a compeuter virus from the game or something? I wouldn’t be surprised. I still have the LOVE something another virus on a data disc which to this day I am still stumped on how I obtained. lately been getting virus from jerks that embed pictures with virus’s but at time I think it’s possible to even get it from games. I even got the virus around the time I was playing EVER QUEST 1 which really fucked up my game for life afterward which to me sucked.

Not to sound like a tool or anything but…
What does DRM stand for?
Did Spoony get a compeuter virus from the game or something? I wouldn’t be surprised. I still have the LOVE something another virus on a data disc which to this day I am still stumped on how I obtained. lately been getting virus from jerks that embed pictures with virus’s but at time I think it’s possible to even get it from games. I even got the virus around the time I was playing EVER QUEST 1 which really fucked up my game for life afterward which to me sucked.

Thanks, Spoony. I was planning on buying that game. Now I’ll pass.

Thanks, Spoony. I was planning on buying that game. Now I’ll pass.

“They may be “dumbed down” PC games. But at least you don’t have to use the entire keyboard to play a game. You don’t have to use mouse controls AND keyboard controls at the same time (which is difficult to learn how to do in the first place). You also don’t have all this crap having to do with “security”.”

…are you seriously trying to bash Keyboard + Mouse?

If you dont have the coordination to use a keyboard AND a mouse…how can you do anything at all…seriously.

And an RTS WITHOUT a keyboard and mouse is neigh impossible to play properly. Sure it’s doable, but why?!

“They may be “dumbed down” PC games. But at least you don’t have to use the entire keyboard to play a game. You don’t have to use mouse controls AND keyboard controls at the same time (which is difficult to learn how to do in the first place). You also don’t have all this crap having to do with “security”.”

…are you seriously trying to bash Keyboard + Mouse?

If you dont have the coordination to use a keyboard AND a mouse…how can you do anything at all…seriously.

And an RTS WITHOUT a keyboard and mouse is neigh impossible to play properly. Sure it’s doable, but why?!

Thanks Atari!!! man sometimes it sucks being a PC gamer. i’m just glad Fallout 3 doesn’t do that

Thanks Atari!!! man sometimes it sucks being a PC gamer. i’m just glad Fallout 3 doesn’t do that

@HeartBurnKid: DRM stands for Digital Rights Management. It’s an attempt at controlling software piracy. It has many forms. More often that not, it winds up making the software impossible to use by people who actually buy the software. SecuROM is infamous for this, because a lot of people who legally buy the game with it can’t play their purchase without breaking the law to get some kind of a SecuROM bypass tool for getting the game to run. This makes it just as illegal to steal the game as it is to make it work on your PC after buying it, ironically.

Erm, @NaclynE I meant. Sorry. This layout is horribly misleading. Why are the names below the comments? Whatever.

Erm, @NaclynE I meant. Sorry. This layout is horribly misleading. Why are the names below the comments? Whatever.

You know, I read in a print magazene when Spore came out, it had DRM as well, that people where pirating Spore….. out of SPITE! Aparently quite a few people who had responded to there poll had said that they had originally planed to buy the game but decided to pireted it in protest. It also dose not seem to have stopped the pirats from unlocking the game. This hole DRM thing seems like some epic fail to me.

You know, I read in a print magazene when Spore came out, it had DRM as well, that people where pirating Spore….. out of SPITE! Aparently quite a few people who had responded to there poll had said that they had originally planed to buy the game but decided to pireted it in protest. It also dose not seem to have stopped the pirats from unlocking the game. This hole DRM thing seems like some epic fail to me.

Personally i buy console games and pirate games on the PC. I don’t honestly give a shit…I have a job. It’s just when it comes to entertainment if i can get it free…i do. I don’t care about multi-million dollar companies they make money anyway more then you or me ever will…don’t defend them. If i honestly love a game and want to play it online, i will go out and buy it. Beyond that with the crap these companies pump out and expect us to pay 69.99 (i live in canada so add 15% tax to that). The heck with that id rather pirate a game and play through the single player. If it is quality and i wanna kick the shit out of some people online, off to the store i go. Piracy is an easy way to root through all the sub-par quality games that come out and DRM will never stop pirates, it will only annoy consumers. People who pirate will always pirate and were never gonna buy your game anyway. Don’t punish those good people who still toss you money for every turd you roll off the assembly line that’s just not fair.

Personally i buy console games and pirate games on the PC. I don’t honestly give a shit…I have a job. It’s just when it comes to entertainment if i can get it free…i do. I don’t care about multi-million dollar companies they make money anyway more then you or me ever will…don’t defend them. If i honestly love a game and want to play it online, i will go out and buy it. Beyond that with the crap these companies pump out and expect us to pay 69.99 (i live in canada so add 15% tax to that). The heck with that id rather pirate a game and play through the single player. If it is quality and i wanna kick the shit out of some people online, off to the store i go. Piracy is an easy way to root through all the sub-par quality games that come out and DRM will never stop pirates, it will only annoy consumers. People who pirate will always pirate and were never gonna buy your game anyway. Don’t punish those good people who still toss you money for every turd you roll off the assembly line that’s just not fair.

DRM is also expanded as “Digital Restrictions Management” by those who call it for what it is.

It’s like “Trusted Computing”, which is all about the software publishers being able to “trust” that the consumer won’t get in and dick around with their product in “unapproved” ways. Just a big fucking pile of bullshit insult to the paying customers, while the pirates never see that shit.

Actually nowadays the pirates are offering better quality ripped products than the official, strapped down, ass-fuck-you-without-lube channels. It used to be in the days of audio cassette & VHS copying that pirated versions were substandard, but not anymore.

DRM is also expanded as “Digital Restrictions Management” by those who call it for what it is.

It’s like “Trusted Computing”, which is all about the software publishers being able to “trust” that the consumer won’t get in and dick around with their product in “unapproved” ways. Just a big fucking pile of bullshit insult to the paying customers, while the pirates never see that shit.

Actually nowadays the pirates are offering better quality ripped products than the official, strapped down, ass-fuck-you-without-lube channels. It used to be in the days of audio cassette & VHS copying that pirated versions were substandard, but not anymore.

This one of the main reasons my I am primarily a console gamer: I like knowing that when I bring a shiny new title home, it will work. If it doesn’t, most likely the disc is FUBAR and I can go get a free replacement, or send it back if I got it online, or whatever. The PC gaming industry really seems to be shooting their audience in the face with all this copy protection madness. Besides, who buys full price games when they almost always take a dedicated weekend to finish? The only full-price game I’ve bought in about two years was Fallout 3, because I knew that I’d get about 200hrs of amusement easily. Retro gaming is the recession-proof way of getting entertainment, and it comes with bragging rights when you can buy 15 PS2 titles for the price of one new release.

This one of the main reasons my I am primarily a console gamer: I like knowing that when I bring a shiny new title home, it will work. If it doesn’t, most likely the disc is FUBAR and I can go get a free replacement, or send it back if I got it online, or whatever. The PC gaming industry really seems to be shooting their audience in the face with all this copy protection madness. Besides, who buys full price games when they almost always take a dedicated weekend to finish? The only full-price game I’ve bought in about two years was Fallout 3, because I knew that I’d get about 200hrs of amusement easily. Retro gaming is the recession-proof way of getting entertainment, and it comes with bragging rights when you can buy 15 PS2 titles for the price of one new release.

the whole concept of DRM is pants-on-head retarded. It WILL eventually get cracked, no matter how well you’ve protected it, and when that happens, the honest consumers are left with limited installs and frustrating online-activations, while the pirates are 100% care-free and can play the game wherever they want, whenever they want. It’s just a fucking scam to make the stockholders think their money’s safe because more people will buy the game when it’s there…

@deathwing107

Believe me, I understand where you’re coming from. Graphics are better on the PC, if you’ve got a high-end one, and got a good game. Controls on the PC frustrate me however. Having to use both the keyboard and the mouse at the same time is incredibly confusing. And about the only advantage the mouse has over the controller when it comes to FPS games is the “twitch reflex”. But, you have to keep in mind that you CAN use a keyboard and mouse in some of the consoles. I remember quite well some people using a mouse in Halo 2 in order to get better shots and move quicker. I won’t deny that it’s an advantage, but for me, it’s not such a significant advantage that I MUST be a PC gamer. If anything, that advantage barely measures against the all the copyright protection garbage that goes on.

You talk about having to do research on which games do and don’t have the hoops to jump through. But again, why should I have to do research before ever buying the game? I don’t have to when I buy a console game. I just go into the store, ask for the game, lay down my cash, take it home, pop it in, select my save location, and get to playing. With the PC, you’re saying I’d have to look at the game I want to play, research who’s got the best method of dealing with copyright protection so as to jump through the least amount of hoops, still jump through a couple hoops here or there, or even provide a credit card number or billing address, and then go through the download, wait while it downloads, and hope it’s not a limited download, and everything else. The better option is just to buy the game at a store, where all you may have to deal with is a CD-Key… But even with the CD-Key, the game doesn’t work unless the disc is in the drive, despite having downloaded the entire thing to your harddrive…

To me, it’s just far too much of a hassle.

I’d rather just get a game and be able to play it right away. Don’t get me wrong, I do love the PC games I DO have… But a large chunk of them do not even have a CD-Key.

And the one game I downloaded was “Spore”. The hoops for just obtaining THAT game were a hassle, especially on release date.

@deathwing107

Believe me, I understand where you’re coming from. Graphics are better on the PC, if you’ve got a high-end one, and got a good game. Controls on the PC frustrate me however. Having to use both the keyboard and the mouse at the same time is incredibly confusing. And about the only advantage the mouse has over the controller when it comes to FPS games is the “twitch reflex”. But, you have to keep in mind that you CAN use a keyboard and mouse in some of the consoles. I remember quite well some people using a mouse in Halo 2 in order to get better shots and move quicker. I won’t deny that it’s an advantage, but for me, it’s not such a significant advantage that I MUST be a PC gamer. If anything, that advantage barely measures against the all the copyright protection garbage that goes on.

You talk about having to do research on which games do and don’t have the hoops to jump through. But again, why should I have to do research before ever buying the game? I don’t have to when I buy a console game. I just go into the store, ask for the game, lay down my cash, take it home, pop it in, select my save location, and get to playing. With the PC, you’re saying I’d have to look at the game I want to play, research who’s got the best method of dealing with copyright protection so as to jump through the least amount of hoops, still jump through a couple hoops here or there, or even provide a credit card number or billing address, and then go through the download, wait while it downloads, and hope it’s not a limited download, and everything else. The better option is just to buy the game at a store, where all you may have to deal with is a CD-Key… But even with the CD-Key, the game doesn’t work unless the disc is in the drive, despite having downloaded the entire thing to your harddrive…

To me, it’s just far too much of a hassle.

I’d rather just get a game and be able to play it right away. Don’t get me wrong, I do love the PC games I DO have… But a large chunk of them do not even have a CD-Key.

And the one game I downloaded was “Spore”. The hoops for just obtaining THAT game were a hassle, especially on release date.

@Tai MT : using the mouse and KB at the same time confusing ? im guessing you barely used a computer in your life (i might agree that some games have crappy default key bindings, like using WASD for movement and then ZX for things you need to use all the time, your hand will turn into a deformed claw if you don’t change them)

the mouse is a great control because the speed and accuracy you can move it (ideal for fps, must have for strategy/rpgs/adv games) however ports these days have this kind of “lag” between the mouse output and the reaction on the game that makes mouse use incredible annoying (im guessing its an intentional lag because with a joystick you wouldn’t be able to aim at the same speed as the mouse) because of this ive been using a cheap but functional dual shock 2 like controler for new games, until some starting coming out that are 360 controler only (like prince of persia), #”!$%!”!, because, you know, a 360 controler is not a dualshock2 rip off with an useless “xtreme” button and the left joy and the pad switched around

Also, games sold in a store have THE DRM which might or not include a cd-key, online activation, program blacklisting and forced cavity searches, games bought online have the exact same DRM with the online service brand of DRM added on top (with a few Steam exceptions that only have the steam DRM), so using physical stores is only “better” in the sense that there is no additional DRM but it will not save you from the securom with online activation in dark athena/spore/mass effect/etc for example

The best is when it
s a game like City life, which isn’t even very good, but you still have to jump through hoops to get it working.

The best is when it
s a game like City life, which isn’t even very good, but you still have to jump through hoops to get it working.

I had some problems with Bioshock, but I haven’t bought many games these days mostly reading and watching Stargate Atlantis

Big reason I’ve stopped buying so many PC titles. While I can understand as to why they’ve gone the route of DRM, I don’t see why more companies can’t go along the lines of Steam?

Steam works perfectly, minus the fact that once you’ve installed it onto one account, it is forever more on that account. Still, I prefer it far over the horrific three strikes and your out method of DRM. Piracy most likely will never be stopped and while I do agree that supporting the industry is very important, it’s hard to support something that has so many issues.

I picked up Riddick for the PS3, mainly because I figured I couldn’t run it at full specs on the PC. I highly recommend a console pick up for it, since it debuted on the Xbox way back. I played both Xbox and the PC version of the original and while I give the nod to the PC, I still felt that it was very well done for a console game.

Hang in there, Spoony! Someday, they’ll abolish DRM..for probably something far worse and even more frustrating.

Big reason I’ve stopped buying so many PC titles. While I can understand as to why they’ve gone the route of DRM, I don’t see why more companies can’t go along the lines of Steam?

Steam works perfectly, minus the fact that once you’ve installed it onto one account, it is forever more on that account. Still, I prefer it far over the horrific three strikes and your out method of DRM. Piracy most likely will never be stopped and while I do agree that supporting the industry is very important, it’s hard to support something that has so many issues.

I picked up Riddick for the PS3, mainly because I figured I couldn’t run it at full specs on the PC. I highly recommend a console pick up for it, since it debuted on the Xbox way back. I played both Xbox and the PC version of the original and while I give the nod to the PC, I still felt that it was very well done for a console game.

Hang in there, Spoony! Someday, they’ll abolish DRM..for probably something far worse and even more frustrating.

^ Like calling up a customer service hotline and waiting hours on end to get your computer registered for installation?

I’ve actually had a computer since I was twelve.

And learning to use the keyboard for playing roms was pretty difficult in and of itself, even with custom key settings. Ever play Super Metroid on an emulator? Let me put it this way… You feel GODLY for being able to Wall-Jump or even do the simple Grapple-Hook swings. Especially when the emulators only let you have TWO buttons pressed down at the same time, and no more. And yet, I still managed to beat the game in under 3:30 hours on my first runthrough of it on emulator.

What I have problems with on the computer controls when you use a mouse and keyboard at the same time… Is most definately the key bindings. I do not have problems using the mouse to look around or fire a weapon. What gets confusing as crap is when you also have to use the right mouse button, click the mouse wheel as well as ROLL the mouse wheel to do different things.

Combine that with using the arrow keys to strafe and move foward or backward and it quickly becomes a mess. And it’s even MORE of a mess when you also have to use letter keys to do other functions. I’ll use Halo as an example, since I’m familiar with that.

You can bind most/all of your attack functions to the mouse which helps a lot… So, your melee is bound to your right click or the mouse scroll because it’s easiest access that way… And then you can bound the grenade to the other function… But then where you do you bind “change weapon” or “activate”? Where do you bind “change grenades”? Where do you bind “jump”? Well, I suppose since you use jump a lot, you could bind it to the mouse wheel click… But then you have the problem of accidently hitting “jump/melee” when you dont’ mean to. Or “jump/throw grenade’ when you don’t mean to.

Okay, so that configuration is incredibly difficult, especially with the arrow keys. So, you pull those out and perhaps assign letter keys, or the number pad to the things you need. But, that’s a lot of area to cover for a single hand, especially when a lot of action is going on. And sometimes, you have to pull your fingers off of movement just to do things like change your grenades in the middle of a firefight.

And this is HALO we’re talking about. It is by no means complicated in terms of controls. It’s one of the least complicated FPS games out there. So what do you do when you have to play an FPS which has a LOT MORE key bindings than that? Games where you have to use upwards of ten keys on the keyboard AS WELL as the mouse.

And what about the games that require you to hit the F Buttons? My those are way out of the way and can make a fast-paced game incredibly difficult to play and confusing as hell.

Maybe you don’t notice it because you PC game a LOT. But I’d rather my controls not be so convoluted and crazy. I like my controls to make sense and to be “easy access”.

Some of you guys don’t seem to get this problem.
Let’s say PC gaming does somehow die off, from whatever cause. So all the money is going to be going right into the console gaming market.
Do you think the pirates are just going to vanish? Fuck no, man. They’ll completely and wholly turn their sights on consoles. The problem will just adapt and move to the only other place it can possibly go.
In such a scenario PC gaming might have died, but PCs won’t. We’ll see all kinds of new support for emulation as well. And it won’t be long before everybody knows at least a little common knowledge trick or two about how to play pirated games on their consoles. Mod chips, maybe. More likely, we’ll see cracked console software, as we’ve seen on the PSP.

And then you’ll be seeing all kinds of wonderful new anti piracy measures.

Some of you guys think so little of this problem now that you’d go out of your way to pirate the game out of spite, though I doubt it would have taken much to push you into pirating the game. Read: You were going to do it anyway; don’t even pretend.
You guys are not helping. There’s already a lot of problems with this situation, and we don’t need you guys helping us by giving their side more statistics with which to base their reasons for continuing to use the fucking DRM.

Do yourself a favor, for now and down the line: drop this shit. Forget about it.
Forget about Assault on Athena, or whatever comes next, because something will.

Don’t buy it. Don’t rent it. Don’t pirate it. Don’t review it, and don’t talk about it. Let it vanish and drop off the face of the Earth.

You want to prove a point? Vote with your wallet. You can also pick your very best words and send them to the developer and publisher’s emails. Vocalize your issue to them, direct.

I can’t just up and fix this bullshit. Neither can any of you. We can only do so much from here, standing alone.
Stop arguing with each other over this stupid shit and direct your attention toward the true source of your discontent.

Some of you guys don’t seem to get this problem.
Let’s say PC gaming does somehow die off, from whatever cause. So all the money is going to be going right into the console gaming market.
Do you think the pirates are just going to vanish? Fuck no, man. They’ll completely and wholly turn their sights on consoles. The problem will just adapt and move to the only other place it can possibly go.
In such a scenario PC gaming might have died, but PCs won’t. We’ll see all kinds of new support for emulation as well. And it won’t be long before everybody knows at least a little common knowledge trick or two about how to play pirated games on their consoles. Mod chips, maybe. More likely, we’ll see cracked console software, as we’ve seen on the PSP.

And then you’ll be seeing all kinds of wonderful new anti piracy measures.

Some of you guys think so little of this problem now that you’d go out of your way to pirate the game out of spite, though I doubt it would have taken much to push you into pirating the game. Read: You were going to do it anyway; don’t even pretend.
You guys are not helping. There’s already a lot of problems with this situation, and we don’t need you guys helping us by giving their side more statistics with which to base their reasons for continuing to use the fucking DRM.

Do yourself a favor, for now and down the line: drop this shit. Forget about it.
Forget about Assault on Athena, or whatever comes next, because something will.

Don’t buy it. Don’t rent it. Don’t pirate it. Don’t review it, and don’t talk about it. Let it vanish and drop off the face of the Earth.

You want to prove a point? Vote with your wallet. You can also pick your very best words and send them to the developer and publisher’s emails. Vocalize your issue to them, direct.

I can’t just up and fix this bullshit. Neither can any of you. We can only do so much from here, standing alone.
Stop arguing with each other over this stupid shit and direct your attention toward the true source of your discontent.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/columns/experienced-points/5961-10-Ways-to-Fight-Piracy

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/columns/experienced-points/5961-10-Ways-to-Fight-Piracy

Great article, Booze Zombie.

Now just send it to Atari, EA, Ubisoft, etc..

Um, where have you been the last decade or so? People already pirate console games. It’s called “emulation” and “roms”. It’s called “making copies of CDs”.

Piracy ALREADY exists on the consoles.

The difference is, consoles handle it better than PC companies do.

And some console companies have figured out how to prosecute the people doing the pirating without hindering the actual consumers at all. I knew a lot of people who got Halo 2 waaaayyyy too early and spoiled the ending. And a bunch of them were caught by Microsoft and sued.

It’s especially easy to catch pirates when all you have to do is have a P2P networking system or access to a search engine. You can type in a few words and BAM, pirated copies like crazy. From there, you can easily track down the original pirate.

It’s just that the consoles aren’t losing money from the pirating (or enough of it TO MATTER in the long run) and the PC companies are losing a lot more money (enough to matter and warrent all these new security hoops).

Um, where have you been the last decade or so? People already pirate console games. It’s called “emulation” and “roms”. It’s called “making copies of CDs”.

Piracy ALREADY exists on the consoles.

The difference is, consoles handle it better than PC companies do.

And some console companies have figured out how to prosecute the people doing the pirating without hindering the actual consumers at all. I knew a lot of people who got Halo 2 waaaayyyy too early and spoiled the ending. And a bunch of them were caught by Microsoft and sued.

It’s especially easy to catch pirates when all you have to do is have a P2P networking system or access to a search engine. You can type in a few words and BAM, pirated copies like crazy. From there, you can easily track down the original pirate.

It’s just that the consoles aren’t losing money from the pirating (or enough of it TO MATTER in the long run) and the PC companies are losing a lot more money (enough to matter and warrent all these new security hoops).

I was saying that console gaming piracy would worsen tremendously if PC gaming did die off, mostly making a point to people who believe PC gaming is already dead (though I realize this could have easily been ignored as exaggeration).
A lot of folks claim to be jumping the PC gaming ship completely. By abandoning PC gaming as dead, today, because of our current DRM issues and doing nothing at all to fight it, I can only figure that it will ultimately screw over console gamers in the future.
PC gaming (or at least mainstream PC gaming, because stuff like Dwarf Fortress, Spelunky, or Mount and Blade will no doubt still continue to be made) could conceivably die if people keep bailing for consoles.
And that is why I think we need to make as much noise about this stuff as possible.
We can’t be complacent about this because it will very likely cause you the very same grief today, and far worse, down the line.

These are small potatoes, guys. This technology is still relatively new. We just need them, the game developers and publishers, to snap out of it.
Do what little you can to put a stop to it today before you’re paying the price for your apathy tomorrow.

Companies aren’t losing any money at all from pirates. Why?
Because no actual thing was taken, no money was stolen. Plus, there’s a large chance that a “pirate” would not have bought anything, anyway.

It’s better to just treat your customers like customers, not like they might be criminals. If they were actually criminals, they wouldn’t be buying your god damn product!

Companies aren’t losing any money at all from pirates. Why?
Because no actual thing was taken, no money was stolen. Plus, there’s a large chance that a “pirate” would not have bought anything, anyway.

It’s better to just treat your customers like customers, not like they might be criminals. If they were actually criminals, they wouldn’t be buying your god damn product!

They don’t loose money that’s right but everyone who downloads a game, plays it and erases it again might have been a customer. And that’s the way they don’t gain money. The production costs for a good game aren’t as high as a Hollywood Movie but they aren’t cheap neither. I personally think many game creaters have lost their way. I bought Wanted: Weapons of Fate a week ago and thought: “My what ist that for a nice game” as I started playing it. 3 hours later the game was over and I thought:”My… What a Rip-Off” already sold it on Ebay….

A nice way to make sales would be a ripped down Version of the Game. Like you can only install it 1 time and the Internet mode is deactivated but therefore the game only costs 20 bucks or something like that.

Yeah there would be cracks around that of course but that is not worse than what exists now. I think I personally would buy more games if that happens.

The bad thing is that the copy protection doesn’t even hurt the pirates. They find ways around it. It hurts the normal customers… And thats where they go wrong big time….

I will never, ever understand the mentality of companies who treat their customers like they’re idiots or the enemy. Look, I sympathise, they don’t want their stuff illegally copied like any company would. But instead of, oh, LISTENING to the consumers and working out a way that makes everyone happy, they just spoon out this DRM bullshit and expect people to eat it up.

Christ, a lot of gamers are programmers themselves, why not encourage them to give their advice? Trial run free games to test the copyright protection and listen to feedback? You know, actually work with your customers?

But seriously, this makes me glad I don’t buy a lot of PC games – I’m not buying from people who already assume I’m a criminal and treat me like one.

Point is, why bother with pirates? They’re very hard to deal with.

It’d be better to just make legitimate customers feel appreciated and happy with paying for things and to mark pirating under “acceptable losses” or something corporate like that.

Point is, why bother with pirates? They’re very hard to deal with.

It’d be better to just make legitimate customers feel appreciated and happy with paying for things and to mark pirating under “acceptable losses” or something corporate like that.

3 installations?
How crappy, however, very easy to avoid.

So basically if I want to play this game I either have to rape them in the ass or let them rape me in the ass…

So basically if I want to play this game I either have to rape them in the ass or let them rape me in the ass…

This is why Apple got rid of DRM shit. Fucking EA. Piracy ftw!

Why would you pay $55 for a game rental? And what store exsists that rent pc games?

Why would you pay $55 for a game rental? And what store exsists that rent pc games?

some of these comments are very well thought out, but the last few pages are missing something.

DRM isn’t meant to directly hurt Pirates, unless you make indie games, pirates are not your main concern. DRM is made in more popular games to prevent second-hand sales from things like amazon or gamestop. Second-hand game sales is a major industry, and the publishers and distributors are excluded from that loop. When you’re limited to 3 installs, it gives less of an incentive to sell that game second-hand. This is pretty much why no one sees any major chains that rent out PC games anymore. The closest I can think of that even does this anymore is gametap. With gametap you still miss out on a ton of games simply because it’s not possible to legally distribute some games with things like securom to more than one customer.
Piracy IS still a concern as thousands of people still do it, and if a small-time developer makes a game that isn’t expected to get anymore than a few thousand sales (world of goo, braid, etc.) then that small-time developer is royally screwed.

haha made me laugh… exactly the reason why i wont buy it, was looking forward to it since riddick 1… damn shame.

Reminds me of BIOSHOCK and Y2K (another game which had SecureROM DRM). Y2K released the game with 2 (yes just 2!) activations, and expanded it to 5 when the complaints came flooding in on their forums (a thread of about 170 posts atleast). Also, as a result, they released a program which deactivated a computer (and thus giivng back one of your activations after you’d played the game and uninstalled it) and promised that they would do away with the activation limit after a while – which they did.
Seems to me that doing what Y2K did seems to be a good halfway house between DRM and non-DRM. They get their revenue for the prescribed period where they normally recoup their losses and make profile and eventually the game becomes essentially unDRM’d (and thus resellable in the 2nd hand market and people can install as many times as they like).
Personally, I think DRM in the way Sony’s SecureROM has been implemented in it’s original form is ultimately counterproductive – it drives people in to the hands of the pirates, and/or away from the PC platform, and makes the game companies very unpopular. Of course there are reasons why DRM was introduced – some of them very understandable.

Reminds me of BIOSHOCK and Y2K (another game which had SecureROM DRM). Y2K released the game with 2 (yes just 2!) activations, and expanded it to 5 when the complaints came flooding in on their forums (a thread of about 170 posts atleast). Also, as a result, they released a program which deactivated a computer (and thus giivng back one of your activations after you’d played the game and uninstalled it) and promised that they would do away with the activation limit after a while – which they did.
Seems to me that doing what Y2K did seems to be a good halfway house between DRM and non-DRM. They get their revenue for the prescribed period where they normally recoup their losses and make profile and eventually the game becomes essentially unDRM’d (and thus resellable in the 2nd hand market and people can install as many times as they like).
Personally, I think DRM in the way Sony’s SecureROM has been implemented in it’s original form is ultimately counterproductive – it drives people in to the hands of the pirates, and/or away from the PC platform, and makes the game companies very unpopular. Of course there are reasons why DRM was introduced – some of them very understandable.

May I take a guess of the new review in the works? Is it Seventh Guest?

God damn I hate limited installations! It just encourages you to pirate the bloody thing. In fact, my bro pirated Spore one time. What a waste…

protecting your game is one thing but their protections can either make the game not even WORK AT ALL or SCREW UP your computer FOR NO REASON.

they can’t even bother themselves to make the games GOOD. games are so bad now that i don’t even WANT to illegally play the game.

why should i support such companies? like they say, my money’s accepted everywhere.

protecting your game is one thing but their protections can either make the game not even WORK AT ALL or SCREW UP your computer FOR NO REASON.

they can’t even bother themselves to make the games GOOD. games are so bad now that i don’t even WANT to illegally play the game.

why should i support such companies? like they say, my money’s accepted everywhere.

Installing this game was a bitch, I had to resert to getting it for the 360, was it worth it…. yes.

To the person who mentioned DRM to prevent used game sales…you can do the same thing with a CD key and tying any online play or subsequent installs to some a “SomeGameCompany.com” account similar to Steam. CD key for the first install, logging into the online account for subsequent ones. Game companies could push DLC and whatever through that channel as well making them additional money.

Joe Gamer who buys PC games is less inconvenienced, only the hardcore will pirate it (who will anyway), and game companies don’t look like total assholes.

Also, Spoony: *more Final Fantasy 8!!!* The SWAT review is entertaining, but seeing FF8 trashed for being horrible brings joy to my black heart. :-)

True, evilpaul, which is why services like steam are raking it in. Bypassing the entire publisher/distributor fiasco and in turn keeping all the money they make. But even services like steam have games on it that still have drm such as securom. Mostly because it’s much easier to turn in a game to steam for publishing as-is than it is to make a steam-only version without DRM. You have to remember that much of this mess started with people who knew nothing about computers or games having say in how those computers and games were distributed.

Having a CD key for limited installs is essentially what this is. Most services like Securom offer the ability to revoke it but some don’t. It’s up to the publisher to allow people to revoke or not and it costs money to run a service indefinitely that allows infinite reinstalls through revoking.

True, evilpaul, which is why services like steam are raking it in. Bypassing the entire publisher/distributor fiasco and in turn keeping all the money they make. But even services like steam have games on it that still have drm such as securom. Mostly because it’s much easier to turn in a game to steam for publishing as-is than it is to make a steam-only version without DRM. You have to remember that much of this mess started with people who knew nothing about computers or games having say in how those computers and games were distributed.

Having a CD key for limited installs is essentially what this is. Most services like Securom offer the ability to revoke it but some don’t. It’s up to the publisher to allow people to revoke or not and it costs money to run a service indefinitely that allows infinite reinstalls through revoking.

It hasn´t Securom, it has TAGES.

I have 50 dollars on there being a version with no SuckRom or installation checks out there … as long as you don’t mind pirating

I have 50 dollars on there being a version with no SuckRom or installation checks out there … as long as you don’t mind pirating

I don’t even want to PLAY this game, and yet I suddenly feel the urge to pirate it… just to piss those bastards off.

that is why *add drum roll* you crack it TADA!

that is why *add drum roll* you crack it TADA!

As a completely unsurprising side note, this game has 89 ratings of 1 star out of 5 on Amazon.com as of 4/14/09. I didn’t look through every single review, but the ones I did read slammed the game solely because of the DRM, and rightfully so.

I hate copy protection. I buy every single game. I have to work hard for my addiction. DRM is like putting broken glass into the DVD case.

I hate copy protection. I buy every single game. I have to work hard for my addiction. DRM is like putting broken glass into the DVD case.

Hah, Noah you look a hell of a lot like Doug in this vid. :D

Well alot of you guys are saying you just wanna pirate the game because the games cost so much, Well ofc… you can get it free then get it free but then it might be buggy and no Online gameplay so pay 70$? (meh) Seriously you guys should be happy that you get it for such a low price, where i come from a single Game, no special content or anything just the game cost exactly 140$!!! im dead serious… but where i come from we dont use dollars we use something called DKK and 140$ is 700DKK. Just wanted to share that, so always remember you got it abit easier then us people here

SecuROM is why people download a pirated copy just to get rid of it. Way to go Tigon Studios!

SecuROM is why people download a pirated copy just to get rid of it. Way to go Tigon Studios!

Actually,you can only install it on three different machines,BUT you can install it on that machine for unlimited times..

Don’t worry – I’ll bet its temporary copy protection. It hasn’t been cracked yet, and so Atari’s hoping people will go out and buy it instead. In 6 months or something, there’ll probably be a revocation tool, same as with Bioshock. There trying to get as many people to buy it initially as possible.

One thing I’ve never understood is when people refuse to buy a game because of DRM, and then some use that to justify pirating it. Where do they get that sense of entitlement? I’m all for showing your opinion of DRM by not buying games with it, but downloading it instead just makes you look like a whining crybaby who’s easily manipulated by hype.

Don’t worry – I’ll bet its temporary copy protection. It hasn’t been cracked yet, and so Atari’s hoping people will go out and buy it instead. In 6 months or something, there’ll probably be a revocation tool, same as with Bioshock. There trying to get as many people to buy it initially as possible.

One thing I’ve never understood is when people refuse to buy a game because of DRM, and then some use that to justify pirating it. Where do they get that sense of entitlement? I’m all for showing your opinion of DRM by not buying games with it, but downloading it instead just makes you look like a whining crybaby who’s easily manipulated by hype.

I will enjoy it… but on ps3.

I’m completely freaked out on your uncanny resemblance to A Phantom Menace’s Ewan McGregor in this video’s still.

I’m completely freaked out on your uncanny resemblance to A Phantom Menace’s Ewan McGregor in this video’s still.

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(Me)
Ohh I see. Ive dealt with that myself. Seems like a old issue but I guess companies or whatever always seem to have new ways or whatever to ‘protect their product’ which to me I hate.
One of the reasons why i’m a consle gamer and why my dad keeps yelling at me ‘NOT TO BUY PC GAMES!’ but I like to update my PC library once in a grey while you know…other than *cough* games.

“One thing I’ve never understood is when people refuse to buy a game because of DRM, and then some use that to justify pirating it. Where do they get that sense of entitlement? I’m all for showing your opinion of DRM by not buying games with it, but downloading it instead just makes you look like a whining crybaby who’s easily manipulated by hype.”

The downloaded version doesn’t have the DRM. What entitles me to do it is that I can. What’s your question?

“One thing I’ve never understood is when people refuse to buy a game because of DRM, and then some use that to justify pirating it. Where do they get that sense of entitlement? I’m all for showing your opinion of DRM by not buying games with it, but downloading it instead just makes you look like a whining crybaby who’s easily manipulated by hype.”

The downloaded version doesn’t have the DRM. What entitles me to do it is that I can. What’s your question?

Direct2drive.com is selling this game for $5 so now you can call it a $5 rental lol

And this is exactly why I'm a console gamer.