Great Vlog as always Spoony!!

I just ignored the whole divergent timeline thing and enjoyed an origin story.

The argument that this destroys continuity is based on the assumption that this movie usurps the timeline we all know and love. That simply isn’t true. Read the Star Trek Online data files, it’s all there, the events as we know them still continue. Plus comics, books, and even a rumored animated online series takes place in the old timeline.

Bottom line, there are now two timelines (actually there are a few timelines already, but this is a new one). And if you want to know, I’m a hardcore star trek fan who loved it, the comic prequel Countdown, and I hope Star Trek online is a great game.

Red matter is what plot contrivance actually looks like.

i havent watched your review yet but im just going to write something here to remind myself that i did in fact enjoy the film

just in case

This movie was excellent, but I think that time travel is a little overused in the Trek universe. Otherwise, great movie.

This movie was excellent, but I think that time travel is a little overused in the Trek universe. Otherwise, great movie.

Well, Noah, the problem is it’s the same kind of retcon we see in DC Comics on occasion. Yeah, the old stories are still there that we know and love, but if we want new ongoing material, we’re probably going to be stuck with this new universe that we’re not particularly fond of, plus divergent timelines makes it harder for new fans to get in. Because now it’s the pattern of “Well, by ‘Star Trek,’ do you mean the original series, or the 11th movie, or some future series that will no doubt be returning?”

There comes a point where watching “A Piece of the Action” for the fiftieth time just doesn’t do anything for ya. ^_~

A-fucking-men spoony… e.e

I kind of wish you’d make non-spoiler reviews, though I do appreciate you at least being upfront about it. The only issue I have with your reviews, is I can’t watch them until after I see the movie because I hate spoilers. I do enjoy your reviews after the fact, but of course they don’t really effect me because at that point I’ve already seen the film. I guess the type of in-depth reviews you’re given can’t be done completely spoiler free, but I do wish there was a greater balance between the relatively spoiler-free portion and the spoiler-heavy portions of the review. For example, with your Star Trek review, I could only watch the first 3 minutes before having to pause it, I’ll have to watch the rest tomorrow after seeing the movie.

Very entertaining review. I only sporadically watched Trek, and I don’t think I’ve ever even seen an original series episode the whole way through, and I thought it was a pretty good movie and would definitely watch another like it. Preferably one without time travel shenanigans. Not that it wasn’t OK in this movie, it was, but hopefully they know not to push it.

indeed, V/

Finished it now, and you actually mixed a couple of Voyager episodes together for that time travel thing, but yeah, the Temporal Police, both from the 29th century and the 31st century ones from Enterprise are apparently sitting on their asses.

With the time, the movies has only gone poor and bad. So the new Star Trek is one of them, poor and bad. First Contact was the best of them all.

Is spoony losing it?

With the time, the movies has only gone poor and bad. So the new Star Trek is one of them, poor and bad. First Contact was the best of them all.

Is spoony losing it?

Get a rope.

I liked the movie; though Star Trek always has some sort of logical or technological problem.

I’m surprised you didn’t pick up on one other issue with the supernova explanation. They’d have several thousand years to know about an impending supernova and by the time the sun went supernova they’d already be in a world of hurt. I guess they just decided to bury their heads in the sand for a few centuries.

There was an “What happened during the 25 years” explanation that was deleted due to some screenings calling this bit “confusing”(Dunno why). From what I understand, basically Nero and his crew are captured by the Klingons (probably because he was spending his time blasting shit), and is taken prisoner for a while. Then, he escapes in an as of yet unrevealed way. I was disappointed that this bit was deleted because it explains what happened during the 25 years. I guess an inevitable extended cut will happen.

I’m also going to have to defend the Spock and Uhura thing. Because his mother was killed, and his planet was destroyed, Spock became more vulnerable than he ever was. So, when Uhura came to comfort him, his human side comes through, which now balances his Vulcan and human side. But that’s just me, take it or not, and like you said “It’s Trek”. I thought the film was fantastic, even though I’m not THAT big of a Trek fan.

Wow i saw the whole 22+ mins of this review and i was entertained throughout. It’s kinda odd, but u remind me a lot of mr. John Stewart if he were a huge video game/sci fi fan. As always thank you Mr. Spoony, you’re free entertainment never fails.

Agreed with everything in the review. As I believe the original series to be the weakest and of course cheesiest cheese that ever graced the presence of the cheese god, this movie had everything that the original series hadn’t. Sex, high class comedy, well choreographed fight sequences and good special effects (I know, it was the sixties.)

Oh, and the time police were the Temperal Enforcement Agency (24th Century), and they weren’t in the one where Kim tries to save Voyager, but they were in the one where Sisko and gang travel back in time and meet everyone on the 1701. Which also brings the point up of the Temporal Enforcement guys in the 31st century from Enterprise. They could have easily stopped that tattooed Romulan fuckhead. Damn Temporal Prime Directive…

Done.

There was some great porn fanfac I had to read in grad school (yeah, grad school) about how Spock and Kirk got trapped on some planet and he Kirk had to bang Spock so he wouldn’t die. I think it is once every seven years.

I thought it was an excellent movie and review done by Spoony.
I do agree with a few things being off but to clarify something spoony said.
He said “NERO was spending 25 years sitting and waiting for Spock to come out of the black hole”. Not entirely true, he was damolishing planets with the mineing satalite thingy while he waited (I guess to make sure it still works) but when he knew that ‘This is the time and point Spock comes out of the black hole” then he snagged him and the rest as Spoony said.
The things I felt off was that I felt the relationship between Uhura and Spock was fast and unexplained. By dad said that this was explained at the acedemy where Uhura said “I was assigned to the Terrag (whatever the ships name was) instead of the Enterprise. With my skills (blah blah blah) how come I am not assigned to the Enterprise?” Spock retorts “I’m sorry but your assigned to the (Ships name)” Uhura guffs again “But with my skills I am sure you need someone as well skilled as someone like me” Spock rebukes “Fine your assigned to the Enterprise” and they both take off. To me that didn’t show much of a ‘relationship’ forsay other than he is kind of like a head of the academy while she’s only a mere student/cadet. But after the whole destruction of Vulcan thing, she acts like she wants to get into his pants and buzz off Kirk. Also I do agree the lens flare was like meh. I saw the IMAX version and a couple hallway scenes were like BRIGHT cuz of the lens flare. I am like sheesh.
The things I like was as Spoony said the acting was good. I though Karl Urban (DOOM, CHRONICLES OF RIDDICK, XENA WARRIOR PRINCESS, PATHFINDER) was good as Macoy and Simon Peg (HOT FUZZ, current verion of SHAUN OF THE DEAD) was really great as Scotty.
As a Trek fan I thought it was good and wish those complainers realize that this is a alternete timeline f’d up by NERO, not the timeline we all know and trust.

PS: I liked DS9. I thought all the characters were good. I still wish and hope that there would be a DS9 movie in the works.

This review and Linkara’s review interest me, as they are pretty much the same, down to the ending, and even the mention of the Vulcans only having sex once every seven years, except that yours had a more positive outlook on the whole thing. It’s pretty cool to compare similar reviews and see different Trek fans’ takes on it. Great job, Spoony!

Well, since I am one of those trek fans who is angry about this movie, I will say thank you for calming me down. Your right, I will take a breath and remember that it is only a movie. However, I am left with a thought. It seems, from all the reveiws and threads that have appeared, that most of us have common “problems” with the film’s plot, story, writing, and overall direction and philosophy of the film (product placments for example). With that being said, why would a filmmaker make such a poorly constructed film, and then ontop of that remove the Star Trek “soul” from the film aswell? If your going to reboot, why not make the best sci-fi film you can? I think this movie falls short of what most of us would consider a resonable standard for good sci-fi. Great vid spoony, you are both entertaining and wise. Now if you excuse me I am going to curl up in a dark corner and cry.
Laters

Vulcan males can only get it up during the Pung Far which happens every seven years. Its not just a physical thing but a mental kind of mind meld connection. Vulcan females don’t have sex until a male in Pung Far connects to them. Females don’t initiate sex the males do. If the females don’t want any they have to fight it out of their system.

Vulcan males can only get it up during the Pung Far which happens every seven years. Its not just a physical thing but a mental kind of mind meld connection. Vulcan females don’t have sex until a male in Pung Far connects to them. Females don’t initiate sex the males do. If the females don’t want any they have to fight it out of their system.

http://trekmovie.com/2009/05/09/bad-astronomys-review-of-the-science-star-trek/

All the science gets examined for what they did and didn’t get right

Ok, this comment comes at minute 3, since I don’t like spoilers. I’m taking my mother to see this movie tomarrow for mother’s day (yes, really. She loves Star Trek). But I would like to leave a comment now anyway, and seeing as how I’ve whatched 24 seasons of Star Trek and all 10 movies, I’m gonna have my peace.

First, you are absomlutly right about the origional series. Second I can confirm for you DS9 sucked, HARD, and infact got worse, not better as it went along. I don’t know were that leaves me in the Trek verse since I’ve seen a lot more than the casual whatcher and know quite a bit about it, but at he same time can point out glaring flaws that would get me thrown out of the hardcore crowd.

I’ve rambled more than I should, so I’ll end it here.

Ok, this comment comes at minute 3, since I don’t like spoilers. I’m taking my mother to see this movie tomarrow for mother’s day (yes, really. She loves Star Trek). But I would like to leave a comment now anyway, and seeing as how I’ve whatched 24 seasons of Star Trek and all 10 movies, I’m gonna have my peace.

First, you are absomlutly right about the origional series. Second I can confirm for you DS9 sucked, HARD, and infact got worse, not better as it went along. I don’t know were that leaves me in the Trek verse since I’ve seen a lot more than the casual whatcher and know quite a bit about it, but at he same time can point out glaring flaws that would get me thrown out of the hardcore crowd.

I’ve rambled more than I should, so I’ll end it here.

About the lens flares: http://io9.com/5230278/jj-abrams-admits-star-trek-lens-flares-are-ridiculous

“I know what you’re saying with the lens flares. It was one of those things… I wanted a visual system that felt unique. I know there are certain shots where even I watch and think, “Oh that’s ridiculous, that was too many.” But I love the idea that the future was so bright it couldn’t be contained in the frame.”

See, I’ll take the overuse of lens flares if it means the future’s bright. Take THAT, Ridley Scott and your friggin’ poor lighting in everything you do.

“Second I can confirm for you DS9 sucked, HARD, and infact got worse, not better as it went along.”

I have no idea what you’re talking about – DS9 was AWESOME and got better as it went along.

See, I’ll take the overuse of lens flares if it means the future’s bright. Take THAT, Ridley Scott and your friggin’ poor lighting in everything you do.

“Second I can confirm for you DS9 sucked, HARD, and infact got worse, not better as it went along.”

I have no idea what you’re talking about – DS9 was AWESOME and got better as it went along.

You should check out sfdebris votager reviews. Something tells me you would enjoy them.
http://www.youtube.com/user/sfdebris

I think the main reason the plot was shit was because they wanted to focus on reintroducing the character and focusing on their development, I believe that ST2 if there is one will be more plot heavy.

I think the main reason the plot was shit was because they wanted to focus on reintroducing the character and focusing on their development, I believe that ST2 if there is one will be more plot heavy.

While I agree with the basic premise of what’s being said here in regards to fans needing to not take things not so seriously, there’s a huge, glaring issue in the critique of their complaints; namely, for people that really enjoy a franchise, it’s not just that previous entries in the series are invalidated, it’s that the chance of further entries into the series being made in the style they enjoy drops to ~0%. Things change, not always for the better, and people need to deal with that, but they have every right to be upset that a franchise they enjoy has been usurped by someone with a different vision and they are no longer the target audience.

I’m no Trek fan, though I did enjoy TNG, and I thought the movie was fine, but exceedingly silly in parts. I’m not about to mourn over the perceived grave of the original series, though, because quite frankly, most of them suck. (Especially DS9.) For those that are big fans though, my condolences if you feel like this ruined the franchise.

I love that selective memory trick. Highlander 2-4? Never happened. One More Day? Never happened. Last Exile’s ending? Never fucking happened. Speaking of which, there’s one show in which the villains get the nice clean ships, while the heroes are stuck in the shitty grungy ones. It’s pretty good, but remember to stop watching after episode 25. Just…write your own ending in your head. No matter what you come up with, it’ll be far better than what they shat out.

as to the red matter’s black hole creating powers. not once in the movie was it used in its intended purpose…. a drop of it turned Vulcan into empty space … but didn’t create a singularity, The one used in the future mixed with the expanding energy of the super nova and made a wormhole through space time. at the end of the movie New Spock uses all of it to blow up a single ship… overkill and it sucks the ship through another singularity.

with these instances up for analysis I figure that Spock was going to use the red mater to do a ‘tiny’ big crunch on the exploding star. Since we know the red mater has spacial and temporal properties I think the goal was to reverse the explosion and reform the super nova back into a star. by creating a dense gravity field at the star’s core.

I have no explanation for why the romulans sat and waited for Spock though

as to the red matter’s black hole creating powers. not once in the movie was it used in its intended purpose…. a drop of it turned Vulcan into empty space … but didn’t create a singularity, The one used in the future mixed with the expanding energy of the super nova and made a wormhole through space time. at the end of the movie New Spock uses all of it to blow up a single ship… overkill and it sucks the ship through another singularity.

with these instances up for analysis I figure that Spock was going to use the red mater to do a ‘tiny’ big crunch on the exploding star. Since we know the red mater has spacial and temporal properties I think the goal was to reverse the explosion and reform the super nova back into a star. by creating a dense gravity field at the star’s core.

I have no explanation for why the romulans sat and waited for Spock though

Wow! Another Star Trek fan who thought Voyager was a piece of crap? High five!
It’s funny because by some definitions I am a Trekkie, by having watched everything there is to watch multiple times and even taking part in some nationwide trivia quizzes (in Poland) BUT on the other hand I am VERY distanced to the series and when people try to mock it or say that it’s crappy (with good arguments) I have no troubles with accepting the truth. I look forward to the movie and if it’s any good I won’t shed a single tear about “my dear franchise getting raped”.

You know what ACTUALLY butchered Star Trek? The greed of its producers! When you stop and think about it in the late ’90s THREE different series were running in parallel – the last seasons of DS9 (absolutely horrible), the first seasons of Voyager (also horrible :-P) and the movies were still TNG! No wonder the general public was fed up with Star Trek and Enterprise didn’t take off (although it wasn’t that bad). Perhaps a well made re-boot is just what the series needs.

The plot was shit because it had the same writers as Transformers. If the characters weren’t mostly already made for them it would’ve been bad, fortunately they only really had Nero to make themselves.

The plot was shit because it had the same writers as Transformers. If the characters weren’t mostly already made for them it would’ve been bad, fortunately they only really had Nero to make themselves.

I like your philosophy on this one. I’ll probably say more about this in the forums, especially after I’ve seen the movie. I’ve been planning to go see this one and give it a chance no matter what, but it’s gonna have to wait until Monday at the earliest, because I have a feeling it’s going to take me all day to get in for all the hype I’ve seen around this thing. I’m glad to hear that I’ll probably like it, though.

I don’t agree that the last DS9 seasons were horrible, in fact, that show got better as it progressed. Enterprise was the worst of them all. It was produced by two guys who prided themselves on not seeing the original series and gave the finger to any remaining fans with that abomination of a series finale.

But in regards to the movie, I do feel that they needed something better than “Red Matter” to build the story around. It was too convenient for movie makers and functioned however they wanted it to at any point. Sometimes it destroys ships, other times it warps people through time, and it may or may not even get rid of the black hole it’s created if it’s feeling like it.
The villain also needed major work. He came off as some cliched Bond bad guy, and it didn’t help that his whole motivation was summed up with a montage half way through the film. We’ve also seen his type a million times before – A crazy guy with a misguided revenge plot that involves taking his anger out on everyone.
On the note of those three mile drops from the platforms in the Romulan ship – sounds like they were designed by the same guy who build all those oh-so-safe catwalks on the Death Stars. This actually didn’t bother me, just thought I’d point it out.
The only thing I really hated about this film was that love triangle between Kirk, Uhura, and Spock. That, and it’s still heavy on that retarded quick-cut action sequence style all movies seem to use nowadays. At least it’s not as bad as the last few movies I’ve seen it in. The lens flares too, but they’ve been discussed enough already. I think the Gerorge Lucas ice planet creature needed to be left out as well. They go into the same ice cave and everything.
Other than all of that, I actually quite liked the film. It’s just those kinds of things that need to be worked out in any potential sequels and it should be even better.

I don’t agree that the last DS9 seasons were horrible, in fact, that show got better as it progressed. Enterprise was the worst of them all. It was produced by two guys who prided themselves on not seeing the original series and gave the finger to any remaining fans with that abomination of a series finale.

But in regards to the movie, I do feel that they needed something better than “Red Matter” to build the story around. It was too convenient for movie makers and functioned however they wanted it to at any point. Sometimes it destroys ships, other times it warps people through time, and it may or may not even get rid of the black hole it’s created if it’s feeling like it.
The villain also needed major work. He came off as some cliched Bond bad guy, and it didn’t help that his whole motivation was summed up with a montage half way through the film. We’ve also seen his type a million times before – A crazy guy with a misguided revenge plot that involves taking his anger out on everyone.
On the note of those three mile drops from the platforms in the Romulan ship – sounds like they were designed by the same guy who build all those oh-so-safe catwalks on the Death Stars. This actually didn’t bother me, just thought I’d point it out.
The only thing I really hated about this film was that love triangle between Kirk, Uhura, and Spock. That, and it’s still heavy on that retarded quick-cut action sequence style all movies seem to use nowadays. At least it’s not as bad as the last few movies I’ve seen it in. The lens flares too, but they’ve been discussed enough already. I think the Gerorge Lucas ice planet creature needed to be left out as well. They go into the same ice cave and everything.
Other than all of that, I actually quite liked the film. It’s just those kinds of things that need to be worked out in any potential sequels and it should be even better.

I’m planning to see this movie soon and I was hoping to do a Vlog review of it as soon as I saw it, but it looks like you already did so. Still glad to hear you liked the movie

After viewing quite a few reviews on the internet – namely IMDB and rottentomatoes- I went to see the movie actually expecting something new and exciting and I was very dissapointed to see that the the movie was totally unoriginal, boring and most of all utterly LAME. it repeated the same old clichés we’ve seen in in every scifi-action movie since Star Wars (propably before). In my opinion it’s horrendous waste of human productivity to make this kind of massproduced trite just to skin some poor fanboys out of their allowance. I’m no fan of the original series, but seriously, is there a single person who could watch the Kirks introduction scene without thinking “Now thats pretty fucking lame”. And don’t get me started with Sulus Federation trade marked collapsible katana. Is it really that hard to make an scifi-action movie that’s not cheesy or outright wacky? Propably it is, but couldn’t they even try?

After viewing quite a few reviews on the internet – namely IMDB and rottentomatoes- I went to see the movie actually expecting something new and exciting and I was very dissapointed to see that the the movie was totally unoriginal, boring and most of all utterly LAME. it repeated the same old clichés we’ve seen in in every scifi-action movie since Star Wars (propably before). In my opinion it’s horrendous waste of human productivity to make this kind of massproduced trite just to skin some poor fanboys out of their allowance. I’m no fan of the original series, but seriously, is there a single person who could watch the Kirks introduction scene without thinking “Now thats pretty fucking lame”. And don’t get me started with Sulus Federation trade marked collapsible katana. Is it really that hard to make an scifi-action movie that’s not cheesy or outright wacky? Propably it is, but couldn’t they even try?

I actually haven’t seen the movie yet, but I had a feeling about some of those issues from the beginning.

I think it’s not that people don’t want a moral dilemma or a social commentary, they just want a good story about good characters. Wrath of Khan was awesome, but what took it a step above awesome was the fact that it explored Khan’s character, and why he was so devoted to revenge. The same thing with First Contact, the story explored Picard’s feelings about the Borg. The fact that so much of Nero’s motivation was probably left on the cutting room floor is exactly what people were complaining about.

As for “raping the continuity”… no, I don’t think that. I did feel that, but mostly I was dismayed because TNG was my favorite Trek, and this was like the producers of Trek saying that the characters of TNG weren’t important. It was like when a sequel brings back a character from the first and kills him off in the first five minutes. Or even between movies. But it’s easy to just ignore it if I so choose. Even easier than normal because it’s officially a parallel universe.

Speaking of, the reason the Time Police never showed up was because the writers of this movie decided to just ignore how time travel in Trek works. They think it creates parallel universes, when it doesn’t, it makes stuff fade away like Back to the Future. But if I go any further with that I’m going to go into total NERD RAGE.

Even so, I’m still gonna go see it.

am I the only one who gets ten seconds (literally) into the review and then it cuts to the commercial?

am I the only one who gets ten seconds (literally) into the review and then it cuts to the commercial?

Now this is what I’m talking about! Non-stop SPoony!

Now THIS is how you create a buzz for yourself.

The Spoony One! Destined to bear the crown upon a troubled crowd… or something like that.

The Spoony One! Destined to bear the crown upon a troubled crowd… or something like that.

DS9: not terrible (good eps later on.)

I’m biased against the movie because I’m tired of remakes.

Capsarc ,

I sometimes have that problem with Spoony’s blip videos. I know how annoying it can get. Even if I switch browser, the video won’t play to the end.

The only solutions I know is to try watching it again a couple of hours later, or the next day.

The Original Spock is still in this timeline and aware of everything that happened on people’s DVDs, so people shouldn’t feel too bad :)

Capsarc ,

I sometimes have that problem with Spoony’s blip videos. I know how annoying it can get. Even if I switch browser, the video won’t play to the end.

The only solutions I know is to try watching it again a couple of hours later, or the next day.

Hey Spoony,
Great point about the Time police. I mean really, do they just police the Federation, and everyone gets a free pass, crock of hogwash.
I suppose his dad dieing explains a couple things (I guess) but why does the guy playing Kirk look so unwholsome and evil.

Hey Spoony,
Great point about the Time police. I mean really, do they just police the Federation, and everyone gets a free pass, crock of hogwash.
I suppose his dad dieing explains a couple things (I guess) but why does the guy playing Kirk look so unwholsome and evil.

I had a long conversation with my friend about this movie after we had finished watching it. He felt that it shat on pretty much every series to come after it,but thoroughly enjoyed it.. While I haven’t watched every single episode any of the series, I felt that it was an fun high budgeted, campy version of TOS. Yes the plot is far fetched, and has plot holes, but that is inherent in Star Trek as a whole. A transporter accident which splits a person into two, with one being violent, and one logic and placid, requires you to suspend your beliefs. What makes a Trek good entertainment is its fusion of sci-fi and human (or alien) interaction, both of which this movie provides.

The supernova: Unfortunately, the “canon” explanation for the supernova actually strains the suspension of disbelief even more than the idea that they didn’t see it coming. It’s not the Romulan home system’s star that goes supernova, it’s a star in some other part of the galaxy, and due to [really ridiculous technobabble] instead of the radiation (heat, light, radiation, etc) dissipating with distance it was somehow converting any mass it came into contact with into more fuel, perpetuating the blast and threatening to consume the galaxy. Yeah, yeah, I know, that’s even more silly.

Why Spock was late: I’m not 100% sure on this one, but I think the backstory is that basically the Vulcan’s had the red matter (or the tech to synthesize/mine it, or something like that), but were afraid of giving control of the red matter to Romulans for fear they’d weaponize it. They debated the issue for far too long, and in the end Spock ended up actually taking the red matter -without- the Vulcan council’s permission.

The supernova: Unfortunately, the “canon” explanation for the supernova actually strains the suspension of disbelief even more than the idea that they didn’t see it coming. It’s not the Romulan home system’s star that goes supernova, it’s a star in some other part of the galaxy, and due to [really ridiculous technobabble] instead of the radiation (heat, light, radiation, etc) dissipating with distance it was somehow converting any mass it came into contact with into more fuel, perpetuating the blast and threatening to consume the galaxy. Yeah, yeah, I know, that’s even more silly.

Why Spock was late: I’m not 100% sure on this one, but I think the backstory is that basically the Vulcan’s had the red matter (or the tech to synthesize/mine it, or something like that), but were afraid of giving control of the red matter to Romulans for fear they’d weaponize it. They debated the issue for far too long, and in the end Spock ended up actually taking the red matter -without- the Vulcan council’s permission.

Why do fans feel defiled??? If i recall (havent seen tng in a while) there were a few episodes that did explain alternate realities, Infact one where a main char was sent into the past to stop a huge amount of alternate realitys from invading theirs. An what about the dark mirror (or somthing like that.) where the enterprize crew has many times delt with them.
This movie is an alternate reality of what we know. The good thing is this can revive another trek show which i see as a good thing.

I swear to god you said exactly what I said to my friend the other day about our dvd’s not going blank because of this movie.

Every time they did a star trek movie for next gen the bridge on the enterprise was always dark as shit. Also my god whoever designed the bridge of the Enterprise-E was a complete sadist compared to the D. The D was like a luxury liner. Apparently starfleet must have gone through some cutbacks on decor. No carpet. All these raised levels with square corners. No nice mahogany wood finish for the tactical bar.

Oh well haven’t seened the movie, but my nerdiness is at a mature level where I’ll survive.

Also what the fuck when did the studios go insane with naming sequels and prequels. Rambo, Rocky Balboa, Die hard 4 are all great movies with piss poor titles that don’t connect to the norm for sequels. Now this half retarded cancer of not properly numbering/naming movie sequels has made it to Star Trek with this movie. I don’t know I guess with Generations it hit, but that took the series on a new track so it can be argued somewhat.

Star Trek Zero Mission should have been the title. Metroid did it why not trek.

I swear to god you said exactly what I said to my friend the other day about our dvd’s not going blank because of this movie.

Every time they did a star trek movie for next gen the bridge on the enterprise was always dark as shit. Also my god whoever designed the bridge of the Enterprise-E was a complete sadist compared to the D. The D was like a luxury liner. Apparently starfleet must have gone through some cutbacks on decor. No carpet. All these raised levels with square corners. No nice mahogany wood finish for the tactical bar.

Oh well haven’t seened the movie, but my nerdiness is at a mature level where I’ll survive.

Also what the fuck when did the studios go insane with naming sequels and prequels. Rambo, Rocky Balboa, Die hard 4 are all great movies with piss poor titles that don’t connect to the norm for sequels. Now this half retarded cancer of not properly numbering/naming movie sequels has made it to Star Trek with this movie. I don’t know I guess with Generations it hit, but that took the series on a new track so it can be argued somewhat.

Star Trek Zero Mission should have been the title. Metroid did it why not trek.

Well the movie was pretty good as a movie standpoint, as a fan I too have a bunch of shit I COULD say about it, but fuck it isn;t as bad as the Wolverine movie and what they did to Deadpool. I like the new star trek movie and recommend it to peeople

Omi-San, that wasn’t me, that was communismfairy. The posted-by goes below the post.

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Deep Space Nine was terrible, but I enjoyed Voyager. How strange…

Spoony, I find it amazing that you consistently are the most sane voice I hear when it comes to reviewing these movies. It’s gotten to the point that after I saw Star Trek the first thing I thought of was, “I bet Spoony was thinking the same stuff I was.” Sure enough, you didn’t disappoint. Good job, man.

Lens flares and shaky cameras need to go!

I consider myself a hardcore Trek fan and I liked this movie. Could not stand Nemesis, First Contact, Enterprise or Deep Space Nine. I liked Voyager for a while, but it got raped in the last two or three seasons. I’m glad the series got rebooted; I’m NOT pleased that Enterprise is still canon, but given how they did this movie, I’m willing to give this its fair chance. (I’m also a huge fan of the Star Wars Saga, original AND prequels, and I just don’t see where all the hate comes from.)

My whole family went to see the movie this evening. My mom is one of the earliest Star Trek fans. She was addicted to it way back when new episodes were airing, before it became super popular. She’s seen all of the original, TNG, DS9, and Voyager. None of us are the uber Trekkie kind of fans (least of all, me) but we all liked it.

Of course, we noticed some of the problems you mentioned but we could look past that. I guess we share your opinion.

Spoony, I find it amazing that you consistently are the most sane voice I hear when it comes to reviewing these movies. It’s gotten to the point that after I saw Star Trek the first thing I thought of was, “I bet Spoony was thinking the same stuff I was.” Sure enough, you didn’t disappoint. Good job, man.

Lens flares and shaky cameras need to go!

My whole family went to see the movie this evening. My mom is one of the earliest Star Trek fans. She was addicted to it way back when new episodes were airing, before it became super popular. She’s seen all of the original, TNG, DS9, and Voyager. None of us are the uber Trekkie kind of fans (least of all, me) but we all liked it.

Of course, we noticed some of the problems you mentioned but we could look past that. I guess we share your opinion.

Well, I dont even know what Star Trek is about, never interest me.But I think i will watch the movie anyways

You’re right Spoony, I’m a casual fan, and I loved it.

You’re right Spoony, I’m a casual fan, and I loved it.

Wait, wouldn’t an advanced civilization have some inkling their star was going to go super nova at least a decent amount of time before it actually happens? Why did they wait til the last minute to do anything about it?

What class of aircraft carrier did you say it was?

What class of aircraft carrier did you say it was?

By the way, whats wrong with Undiscovered Country? I liked that movie.

Hey Spoony, I think you have your time line a bit messed up. All together Nero waited 25 years, true, but Kirk and the gang had been in Starfleet for about 3 or 4 years by the time they all go to fight him, so yes, Kirk was qualified to be a 1st officer, and yes, he did receive training on running a ship. Did you forget about the test he took? The reason he was put on probation was because he cheated and was the only person to pass the test. Not only that, but Pike had great faith in him, and knew he could run the ship if he had to. Also, I really loved the plot of this movie. I love the fact that they set it in an
alternate reality, because it kept me, at least, really into the movie, I remember wondering what is going to happen next. Also it was a good idea for the die hard fans, because like you said, if they didn’t like it, well hey, it didn’t really happen. Also, it gives the series a chance to truely revamp and continue along this new time line. I would love it if they made two more movies, covering the time line of the series but set in this alternate reality.

Hey Spoony, I think you have your time line a bit messed up. All together Nero waited 25 years, true, but Kirk and the gang had been in Starfleet for about 3 or 4 years by the time they all go to fight him, so yes, Kirk was qualified to be a 1st officer, and yes, he did receive training on running a ship. Did you forget about the test he took? The reason he was put on probation was because he cheated and was the only person to pass the test. Not only that, but Pike had great faith in him, and knew he could run the ship if he had to. Also, I really loved the plot of this movie. I love the fact that they set it in an
alternate reality, because it kept me, at least, really into the movie, I remember wondering what is going to happen next. Also it was a good idea for the die hard fans, because like you said, if they didn’t like it, well hey, it didn’t really happen. Also, it gives the series a chance to truely revamp and continue along this new time line. I would love it if they made two more movies, covering the time line of the series but set in this alternate reality.

Oh god, I just remembered something at the very end of the movie I hated. They changed the tagline, which pisses me off and really ruined
the ending. It ends with Spock saying, “Space: the final frontier. These are the voyages of the starship Enterprise. Her ongoing mission: to explore strange new worlds, to seek out new life-forms and new civilizations; to boldly go where no one has gone before.” Now tell me whats wrong with that.

@Sai: I’m sure the Romulans DID know, but given their relationship with the Federation and the Vulcans, they were probably extremely hesitant to go to them for help. It most likely wasn’t until they had exhausted all their own methods that they decided to ask the Federation.

@ Blueoccult: What’s wrong with it? The word “ongoing” instead of “Five-year” or even “continuing,” and “where no ONE has gone before” as opposed to no “man.” You could probably forgive that, though, except that Spock was saying it instead of Kirk.

@Sai: I’m sure the Romulans DID know, but given their relationship with the Federation and the Vulcans, they were probably extremely hesitant to go to them for help. It most likely wasn’t until they had exhausted all their own methods that they decided to ask the Federation.

@ Blueoccult: What’s wrong with it? The word “ongoing” instead of “Five-year” or even “continuing,” and “where no ONE has gone before” as opposed to no “man.” You could probably forgive that, though, except that Spock was saying it instead of Kirk.

It’s crazy how he’s like, ok, Spock and the Federation were trying to save my planet but couldn’t, so I’m going to blow up all their planets instead of just saving my planet

But again, I was entertained

I’m a casual fan though

I hoped so much that there was going to be a video about Star Trek

I consider myself to be a big fan. However It didn’t bother me about the whole reboot and getting rid of the entire continuity. It also didn’t bother me that it was an action film as well. TO be honest, I’m not too sure that’s really a big problem for Trek fans and it seems to me a negative stereotype and caricatures of trekkies rather then anything to do with reality.

It was just a poor action movie. It will be insulting to the sci-fi action genre to say that you don’t need good plot or good characters to be a good action movie.

You have nero whose one of the worst villain in Star Trek movie history. The movie relies on people to have read the countdown comics to know what his motivation is. If you haven’t read it it’s like the federation tried to help romulus, they failed therefore nero wants to destroy the federation. That’s absolutely garbage.

I would have like a scene between nero and leonard nimoy’s spock when nero first captured spock.

Nero should have blamed the vulcans and federation for refusing to help and spock then pleaded that they did try to help but it was misfortune that they didn’t get there on time. Nero then say that’s too much of a convenience that he got there early enough to save their the federation (as the supernova was going to wiped out the federation as well as romulus) but too late to save romulus and perhaps mention that federation and romulans are enemies for decades and what better way it is to wipe out your enemy by doing nothing. Then the scene should end with an implication that spock was about to be killed by nero (but later it turns out he just banished him to that ice planet). Good CLEAR explanation of the plot, early cameo by Leonard Nimoy and we get to know the villain better.

If they fix up the plot and gave a villain that we can relate to and empathise with, it would have been a decentish action movie.

Spoony also comment that the movie wasn’t about the human condition. Although he didn’t have a problem with it. If the movie did have a comment on the human condition it would have been a decent Trek movie. There was a perfectly good opportunity to do it as well but they decide not to do it. t also has in the plot a basis of a Trek story which is about how to deal with the lost of a family members. Spock tried to hide and suppress his emotions but decides in the end that he shouldn’t hide it and just accepts it and accepts his human side (the tragedy made him accept his human side much earlier then the other spock did which was good). Kirk felt aimless without a fatherly influence but then realise that his father sacrifice himself to give his son opportunity in life and he is wasting it by acting like a juvenile delinquent. Perhaps it would have been good if they made Pike the fatherly influence that he never had throughout the academy. Nero reacts with the lost of his family but never moved on (in fact according to the comics, romulans in time of grieving draw pictures of images that represent their loves one on their skin. When the image fades away, it signals the grieving process is over. Nero however chose to and order the crew to tattoo the symbols of his family on the skin and says that the grieving process will never be over and he will be define by his lost and is driven by revenge). If they made the movie about losing family members and moving on from it and I believe the original script was about that then this movie could have been great and it would have been Trek. It also would have gone a long way in making Nero more developed.

Other points
I had no problems of hte crew acting a bit different to the original series as this is an alternative universe.
Spock character I felt was well done and we see a good explanation how he got where he was.
The kirk driving scene was pointless and cringeworthy. Kirk was very much OTT as a rebel without a cause
The romance however was terrible between uhura and spock. I have no problem of those two getting together but if they MUST have a romance then they should have several scenes together building up the tension to that moment.

Having Spock jettison Kirk and stranded him on a planet was completely bullshit and was completely heartless especially when Kirk almost died on that planet. You don’t bloody strand a crewmember in an escape pod deliberately because you are leaving the person helpless and risk of getting killed. Don’t they have a BRIG on the enterprise to deal with insubordinate crew members. The only reason why Spock ejected Kirk was because the script demanded it. Kirk needed to meet Leonard Nimoy’s Spock on the ice planet and the writers didn’t know how so they let Spock behave like a cruel bastard and acting out of character (and the crew supported it) just to get Kirk on the planet. I think that’s a plot hole.

If you having a captain who decides to kick someone off the ship for disagreeing with an order (isn’t that the point of a first officer albeit kirk went a bit too far) then I expect the crew to relieve him of his captaincy on the spot for being emotionally compromised. This is one of the more bizarre form of crew discipline I’ve seen for a quite a minor breach in discipline. What kirk did was no worst then what Riker done in Chain of Command where he tried to convince the captain to start a rescue mission of PIcard. He only got confine to quarters for that.

I consider myself to be a big fan. However It didn’t bother me about the whole reboot and getting rid of the entire continuity. It also didn’t bother me that it was an action film as well. TO be honest, I’m not too sure that’s really a big problem for Trek fans and it seems to me a negative stereotype and caricatures of trekkies rather then anything to do with reality.

It was just a poor action movie. It will be insulting to the sci-fi action genre to say that you don’t need good plot or good characters to be a good action movie.

You have nero whose one of the worst villain in Star Trek movie history. The movie relies on people to have read the countdown comics to know what his motivation is. If you haven’t read it it’s like the federation tried to help romulus, they failed therefore nero wants to destroy the federation. That’s absolutely garbage.

I would have like a scene between nero and leonard nimoy’s spock when nero first captured spock.

Nero should have blamed the vulcans and federation for refusing to help and spock then pleaded that they did try to help but it was misfortune that they didn’t get there on time. Nero then say that’s too much of a convenience that he got there early enough to save their the federation (as the supernova was going to wiped out the federation as well as romulus) but too late to save romulus and perhaps mention that federation and romulans are enemies for decades and what better way it is to wipe out your enemy by doing nothing. Then the scene should end with an implication that spock was about to be killed by nero (but later it turns out he just banished him to that ice planet). Good CLEAR explanation of the plot, early cameo by Leonard Nimoy and we get to know the villain better.

If they fix up the plot and gave a villain that we can relate to and empathise with, it would have been a decentish action movie.

Spoony also comment that the movie wasn’t about the human condition. Although he didn’t have a problem with it. If the movie did have a comment on the human condition it would have been a decent Trek movie. There was a perfectly good opportunity to do it as well but they decide not to do it. t also has in the plot a basis of a Trek story which is about how to deal with the lost of a family members. Spock tried to hide and suppress his emotions but decides in the end that he shouldn’t hide it and just accepts it and accepts his human side (the tragedy made him accept his human side much earlier then the other spock did which was good). Kirk felt aimless without a fatherly influence but then realise that his father sacrifice himself to give his son opportunity in life and he is wasting it by acting like a juvenile delinquent. Perhaps it would have been good if they made Pike the fatherly influence that he never had throughout the academy. Nero reacts with the lost of his family but never moved on (in fact according to the comics, romulans in time of grieving draw pictures of images that represent their loves one on their skin. When the image fades away, it signals the grieving process is over. Nero however chose to and order the crew to tattoo the symbols of his family on the skin and says that the grieving process will never be over and he will be define by his lost and is driven by revenge). If they made the movie about losing family members and moving on from it and I believe the original script was about that then this movie could have been great and it would have been Trek. It also would have gone a long way in making Nero more developed.

Other points
I had no problems of hte crew acting a bit different to the original series as this is an alternative universe.
Spock character I felt was well done and we see a good explanation how he got where he was.
The kirk driving scene was pointless and cringeworthy. Kirk was very much OTT as a rebel without a cause
The romance however was terrible between uhura and spock. I have no problem of those two getting together but if they MUST have a romance then they should have several scenes together building up the tension to that moment.

Having Spock jettison Kirk and stranded him on a planet was completely bullshit and was completely heartless especially when Kirk almost died on that planet. You don’t bloody strand a crewmember in an escape pod deliberately because you are leaving the person helpless and risk of getting killed. Don’t they have a BRIG on the enterprise to deal with insubordinate crew members. The only reason why Spock ejected Kirk was because the script demanded it. Kirk needed to meet Leonard Nimoy’s Spock on the ice planet and the writers didn’t know how so they let Spock behave like a cruel bastard and acting out of character (and the crew supported it) just to get Kirk on the planet. I think that’s a plot hole.

If you having a captain who decides to kick someone off the ship for disagreeing with an order (isn’t that the point of a first officer albeit kirk went a bit too far) then I expect the crew to relieve him of his captaincy on the spot for being emotionally compromised. This is one of the more bizarre form of crew discipline I’ve seen for a quite a minor breach in discipline. What kirk did was no worst then what Riker done in Chain of Command where he tried to convince the captain to start a rescue mission of PIcard. He only got confine to quarters for that.

I’m going to talk in order of what he says in the video. Sorry for the length.

Speaking from a 20 year old TNG fan and of a son who watched TOS as a teen and has all of them on VHS, I have to say WTF. I have to say that I’m a little more of a nerd about this than Spoony, but not convention weird. Meaning that I’ve scene about 90% of TNG, 50% of Voyager, and 70% of Enterprise. My dad has scene most of the TOS, TNG, and Enterprise. I’ll admit that the production value on TOS sucked, but the pull was for the theme and acting. And the effects in the 90’s series made up for that.

I have to take offence to this movie because of the outright screwing over of the set down star trek dogma. The key difference b/t this and the highlander and Star wars is that those are either sequels that don’t have to make sense or prequels that at least don’t create time paradoxes.

Think about it for a second, as soon as Vulcan was destroyed and a parallel dimension was created, it creates a time paradox. Because different things will happen now, Nero might not even be sent to the past to destroy Vulcan or Spock might not be sent to Romulus to save them. The draw of Startrek and why people are so mad about this is that through 10 movies and 5 TV series, and a few time travel and parallel dimensions they’ve kept it for the most part free of chronological problems. The reasons why the ST ubernerds are so mad is because we haven’t had to deal with something like this before. We’ve dodged bullets before but now this. Everything made is part of dogma, but yes spoony, now all this invalidates known plotlines, other than Enterprise. The problem is that now that this movie is out there we can’t say it doesn’t exist, when almost everyone has gone to scene it.

And there in lines the problem. This movie like most movies now a days was made to revamp a dieing franchise, whether it this, Transformers, Batman, or Superman. On a side note did you know that the crappy writers of the Transformers movie also wrote this one? Getting back onto point, all of these franchise movies have been dumbed down from what they had once been to fit the mainstream audience, who’d rather go see a action flick than a intelligently written prequel that is suppose to show how they all met, which for the most part it does. What I mean is that they could have done a prequel without having to screw-up the timeline.

List of things to take offence of by the plot
1. Obviously the paradox.
2. Why does a mining vesicle have weapons on it?
3. 25 Years
4. Waiting for 25 years, you’d think the ship would run out of energy by then.
5. Kirk Cadet to Captain explained—Pike’s a dumb@***
6. Opening intro doesn’t even need to be in the movie.
7. Spock/Uhura makes no sense
8. The only problem I have with Nemesis is Data
9. Most of the characters suck

I feel they’ve screwed over Rodenberry scene 1995. Yeah where’s the time police, they’re in Enterprise too.

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You know thinking about the concept of space-time continuity differentiation, you can basically say three things about it: one) This is now J.J. Abrams’s vision of the Star Trek universe and he’s doing it from scratch. Two) We’re taking the best Gene Roddenberry gave us and modernized it. Three) We’re basically turning a blind eye on what Star Trek: Enterprise did to the franchise and possibly gave us a new series potential to look forward to if J.J Abrams were to make it as such.

As far as whining and saying how people should die and such because of the storyline J.J and the cast developed for the movie: Grow up people.

You know thinking about the concept of space-time continuity differentiation, you can basically say three things about it: one) This is now J.J. Abrams’s vision of the Star Trek universe and he’s doing it from scratch. Two) We’re taking the best Gene Roddenberry gave us and modernized it. Three) We’re basically turning a blind eye on what Star Trek: Enterprise did to the franchise and possibly gave us a new series potential to look forward to if J.J Abrams were to make it as such.

As far as whining and saying how people should die and such because of the storyline J.J and the cast developed for the movie: Grow up people.

As kind of a buff of Star Trek myself (I like certain series, and have only seen a few series in their entirity…) I can’t really relate to the idiots who are complaining about the timeline thing.

Star Trek is RIFE with time travel and “altering history”. In fact, once you get into Deep Space Nine, you get into the “anti-dimension” stuff in which humanity is a bunch of barbarous murdering thieves. They are so evil it’s a wonder they even conquered space flight to begin with. It’s impressive they’d accomplished anything at all.

And then when you get into Enterprise, then you have a bigger influence of the “time police” as you put it. Their storyline is pretty promenant to even the creation of the federation.

And they even COMPLETELY altered the timeline a few times in that series. First, Archer was supposed to die and the enterprise was supposed to explode. Then, it wasn’t and the world was better because it didn’t. Then they took Archer into the future for some reason (never really revealed WHY, other than to prevent the catastrophe that arose because they took him) and then had to get back to the past to help fix it again.

And then you’ve got the time travel movies…

Then you’ve got the “alternate reality” episodes which go back clear to The Next Generation…

Trek is so full of alternate dimensions, alternate realities, time travel, anti-dimensions, and etcetera… That really, you could make ANY movie based in the Trek Universe with absolutely zero continuity with any of the established canon and it would FIT. Yes, that’s right fanboys, it would fit because of how convoluted and messed up the Trek franchise already is in regards to itself and just what can and cannot be accomplished in the series.

I mean, through time travel, Picard basically eliminates the entire human race, we never emerged from the primordial goo. But Q helps him fix it so it didn’t actually happen.

Seriously, you can’t bitch about continuity and how it invalidates any of the movies or series after it. Because, quite frankly, according to Trek canon, it could happen, and could be in a different reality or dimension or what-have-you.

Fanboys need to get over themselves.

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This movie relies on a theory that you never time travel to the past but you create an alternate dimension by time travelling.

The writers said the universe we know isn’t wipe out but exist parallel to this one.

In this movie Uhura made a statement about a new dimensions.

So I’m ok with this discontinuity.

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This movie relies on a theory that you never time travel to the past but you create an alternate dimension by time travelling.

The writers said the universe we know isn’t wipe out but exist parallel to this one.

In this movie Uhura made a statement about a new dimensions.

So I’m ok with this discontinuity.

ok spoony… this is it. I’ve put up with your negative comments on doom, and FFX. i can put with you rants on the pirates of the CAR movies. i can tolerate you attacks on the legend of zelda games, and the use of zombies in movies and games. i think you are a very good reviewer; you focus on both sides of the issue and you give an honest opinion, hell i loved you reviews on FFVIII, and your play-through of Phantasmagoria…….

but you have crossed the line spoony.
i am at a level of pissed that is not even comprehensible.
i have reached my toleration limit of your….. Words on television shows and movies.
you will lose a loyal fan of your show, unless you tell me one thing.
what is it about DR. WHO sucks so badly?
well…. WHAT!?
is it the writing,
the plots,
the cast,
the effects,
the fan bace,
the previous doctors,
the current doctor,
Russel T. Davies ego,
the spin-offs,
WHAT IS IT?

Spoony, I loved the audio in this one and most of your newer videos (As compared to the original ones where you can hear the feedback a bit). Could you please tell me what microphone you are using now? In fact I think it would be awesome to add an equipment section in your FAQ.

Great Vlog, and I am a fan of the one take feeling from your Vlog’s.

Spoony, I loved the audio in this one and most of your newer videos (As compared to the original ones where you can hear the feedback a bit). Could you please tell me what microphone you are using now? In fact I think it would be awesome to add an equipment section in your FAQ.

Great Vlog, and I am a fan of the one take feeling from your Vlog’s.

spoony have you read 1984 because it’s called double speak

I actually liked this movie. The time travel aspect, in my opinion, is just a way to get new stories and put some new life into characters that had run their course in the original show and the original movies. So I didnt mind that too much.

This movie basically made me think of the episode of The Next Generation where Warf finds himself jumping between different versions of the Enterprise (including one where he is married to Troy). And at the end of the episode the Enterprise finds itself surrounded by millions of Enterprises from different dimensions.

Also a kinda WTF moment was when Spock detonates the red matter inside the Romulan ship, and a black hole forms. Then Kirk offers to help evacuate the Romulans and Nero basically tells Kirk to go F himself. Why in the HECK did Kirk have to urge to open fire on a ship that was already being torn to bits by a black hole? It was like “Yeah we know your entire crew is doomed due to the fact that your ship is collapsing into a singularity, but just to add insult to injury we are going to fire on you anyways.”

P.S. the Uhura/Spock love angle just seemed awkward and forced.

I actually liked this movie. The time travel aspect, in my opinion, is just a way to get new stories and put some new life into characters that had run their course in the original show and the original movies. So I didnt mind that too much.

This movie basically made me think of the episode of The Next Generation where Warf finds himself jumping between different versions of the Enterprise (including one where he is married to Troy). And at the end of the episode the Enterprise finds itself surrounded by millions of Enterprises from different dimensions.

Also a kinda WTF moment was when Spock detonates the red matter inside the Romulan ship, and a black hole forms. Then Kirk offers to help evacuate the Romulans and Nero basically tells Kirk to go F himself. Why in the HECK did Kirk have to urge to open fire on a ship that was already being torn to bits by a black hole? It was like “Yeah we know your entire crew is doomed due to the fact that your ship is collapsing into a singularity, but just to add insult to injury we are going to fire on you anyways.”

P.S. the Uhura/Spock love angle just seemed awkward and forced.

From how I understood it…the time travel DOESN’T fuck up the continuity…it just creates an alternate timeline. At least that’s how I figure it. And that’s good, because then it doesn’t mess with the (already crazy) canon of the previous series and films and this new film and its inevitable sequels and do whatever they want without messing up shit.

I figure alternate universes and timelines are stuff nerds should be able to handle anyway, comic book nerds have been dealing with this stuff for years. And selective amnesia can work wonders, I constantly tell myself the Star Wars prequels never happened.

Seriously though, I agree with you, Trekkies take Star Trek way to seriously. It’s always been corny and nonsensical, that’s half the fun of it. Only ever cared for the original series, Deep Space Nine and Voyager. Everything else just always bored me.

I’ll just that if a fan who has watch 100% of TOS, TAS, TNG, DS9, VOY, ENT (gosh I really struggled with VOY and ENT) and all XI movies is ok with this time travel creating alternative universe then other people can as well.

What I’m not ok with is bad storytelling and underdeveloped villains

I’ll just that if a fan who has watch 100% of TOS, TAS, TNG, DS9, VOY, ENT (gosh I really struggled with VOY and ENT) and all XI movies is ok with this time travel creating alternative universe then other people can as well.

What I’m not ok with is bad storytelling and underdeveloped villains

I enjoyed the video. For the most part.

I don’t think you accurately put words to what some older Star Trek are feeling, and I didn’t care for your solution. That’s not to say you’re wrong about the latter though. Just that I don’t like it. And with as big as the Star Trek fannon is, I don’t think it’s possible to describe what everyone is feeling. I guess I just didn’t like how you focused on it so much.

And be careful with those declaratives… A number of people think Final Frontier was far, *far* worse than Undiscovered Country.

I’ve yet to decide just how I feel about the new movie, although I’m leaning towards dislike. Not because of how it conflicts with past series, but how much of the writing just wasn’t very good. (The story reads like bad Fan Fiction, imo)

Something to help explain the reaction of many older fans: I know that in many fans’ eyes, things had been going downhill for Star Trek since Berman & Braga started playing a larger role behind the scenes. Ignoring continuity in favor of flashier, easier to grasp stories, relying sorely on technobabble to resolve issues and constant use of the reset button to maintain the status quo. They were pretty much in charge of Voyager & Enterprise.

They blamed the fans for the cancellations, among other things, while the fans blamed Berman & Braga for making the franchise shallower.

I think they’re both right, to a degree.

But so older fans who have stuck with the series, have seen their series’ (and sometimes themselves) slowly disserviced for a number of years. Voyager took place farther in the future than the other series, so it wasn’t *too* too bad. Enterprise was far worse to old time fans, as it actively went against established canon, while claiming to be a prequel. I won’t go into the reasons older fans didn’t like Enterprise, as they’re numerous, but… yeah, a number of die-hard fans *hated it.*

However, those were television series which weren’t talked about all that often, so it seemed more… private, or local, and any perceived damage could be easily ignored. With this new movie, and it being *everywhere* and widely talked about, the way it seems to go against what Star Trek is (or I supposed *was* is now the case), is more of a public punch to the gut, rather than a series of smaller slaps to the face which could fairly easily be ignored.

To sum up, not all of the adverse reaction this film is getting from long time fans is strictly due to the film itself. It’s the accumulation of years of abuse at executive hands.

Just some notes from a die-hard Trekkie, who’s seen every episode, of every series.

Also, that Voyager episode you were talking about with them turning into lizards (the second season episode, Threshold), was considered horrible by *everyone,* even the makers. They transformed because they “reached warp 10″ and evolved/de-evolved; whatever. A couple seasons later, a comment is made about how no one had ever reached Warp 10, meaning that episode is no longer canon, i.e. It never happened.

Nero was waiting for Spock. Spock had the Red Matter. Nero couldn’t blow up planets until he got the Red Matter. So he waited for twenty-five years after he blew up the Kelvin.

Nero was waiting for Spock. Spock had the Red Matter. Nero couldn’t blow up planets until he got the Red Matter. So he waited for twenty-five years after he blew up the Kelvin.

Apparently Abrams has already stated that he overdid the lens flare and if he could do it again he’d cut most of it out.

I agree with almost everything in this review. I’m not upset about this being an alternate timeline, because it’s alternate. It’s just like the Mirror Universe. They both exist; it’s not like some of it didn’t happen anymore. And anyway, they’re just stories.

This is very true, for instance be personally, I don’t accept ever seeing Indy 4. There were no aliens in that movie, Indy’s kid isn’t shia labouf or how ever you spell his name…and Indy didn’t get married…sorry…that movie didn’t happen..nope…lol

This is very true, for instance be personally, I don’t accept ever seeing Indy 4. There were no aliens in that movie, Indy’s kid isn’t shia labouf or how ever you spell his name…and Indy didn’t get married…sorry…that movie didn’t happen..nope…lol

Hey Spoony, I always enjoy your insights into movies. I’m more of a Trek movie fan. I really liked TOS and TNG, watched a bit of DS9 and Voyager and I consider myself fairly knowledgeable about Star Trek…but seriously…what’s the with the hate on The Undiscovered Country and Nemesis? My all-time favourite ST movie is VI, it is a fanfuckingtastic movie. Perhaps you were thinking about “The Final Frontier”, number V directed by Shatner.

Nemesis was not that bad! It was a solidly entertaining movie and while it wasn’t 100% necessary, really are any Star Trek movies necessary? It had good action, good villain (better than Nero) and forefronted Data and Picard. Can’t ask for much more than that.

But hey, everyone’s entitled to their opinion…I just happen to be right.

It looked pretty, and the action was great, but none of the jokes were funny to me. My sense of humor must be broken or something.

It looked pretty, and the action was great, but none of the jokes were funny to me. My sense of humor must be broken or something.

Great review Spoony as always grade A material. ^_^

To quote Roboticus from post #17:
“I’m also going to have to defend the Spock and Uhura thing. Because his mother was killed, and his planet was destroyed, Spock became more vulnerable than he ever was. So, when Uhura came to comfort him, his human side comes through, which now balances his Vulcan and human side. But that’s just me, take it or not, and like you said “It’s Trek”. I thought the film was fantastic, even though I’m not THAT big of a Trek fan.”

I thought it was clear that after his planet was destroyed, and mother killed it was very understandable. Besides they covered the fact that his mother brought out his human side(at least bashing her did). Anyway this is the only gripe that i do not understand why people don’t get it. Yes i agree it was unnatural….but this isn’t the same Spock.

One last thing, in response to a few of the post i have read….movies cost money to make…..right? Last time i checked product placement helped pay for them, and to be honest i can only remember 2 things that stood out(nokia and budweiser). At least it wasn’t “The Island.”

-Sorry for the length I got a little long winded, and as for grammar….I haven’t taken an English class in a few years. =P

quote was from max in post #18…my bad

sorry for the double post :(

quote was from max in post #18…my bad

sorry for the double post :(

So in other words, reject their reality and substitute your own. I like that. Go Spoony!

HAHA

you fanboys fuck yourself!

STAR TREK SUX

HAHA

you fanboys fuck yourself!

STAR TREK SUX

Good job as always spotting silly plot holes, spoony.
and I guess hong kong is getting this movie twenty years from now >.>

I actually am watching “the next generation” for the first time (and it’s the only trek I’ve seen so far), and yea, I find it to be incredibly cheesy and dumb, but yet, I enjoy watching it for some reason. I guess I have a taste for trash (and pointing out the flaws within it with my friends).

ok, and by the way, the part where you tell offended fans to move on, reminded me of this http://xkcd.com/566/

so true haha.

I actually am watching “the next generation” for the first time (and it’s the only trek I’ve seen so far), and yea, I find it to be incredibly cheesy and dumb, but yet, I enjoy watching it for some reason. I guess I have a taste for trash (and pointing out the flaws within it with my friends).

ok, and by the way, the part where you tell offended fans to move on, reminded me of this http://xkcd.com/566/

so true haha.

I think that “hard-core” trekkies are pissed because they see in this movie the attempt to remake a new Star Trek franchise from scretch, to eventually obscure the memory of the original one.

Makophoenix
The reason why spock and uhura relationship didn’t work is not because it’s a bad thing in general.

It didn’t work as they had very little scenes together ( I believe it was only like two scenes before they kiss). They was no tension between the two. It was they were friends and they had a mentor and tutor relationship and then suddenly they started kissing. It was out of the blue as they barely spoke to eachother beforehand.

If they however build up the tension like Spock and Nurse Chapel in TOS and then they started kissing after vulcan blew up and spock is down then it would have worked.

Makophoenix
The reason why spock and uhura relationship didn’t work is not because it’s a bad thing in general.

It didn’t work as they had very little scenes together ( I believe it was only like two scenes before they kiss). They was no tension between the two. It was they were friends and they had a mentor and tutor relationship and then suddenly they started kissing. It was out of the blue as they barely spoke to eachother beforehand.

If they however build up the tension like Spock and Nurse Chapel in TOS and then they started kissing after vulcan blew up and spock is down then it would have worked.

Raion

I’m wondering what season you are watching. The first two were pretty awful.

Actually, i don’t say this movie isn’t good. How could i? I didn’t even see it yet (gonna next weekend.. damn should have brought my ticket earlier). But i still have some anger against it as being a “hardcore” trek fan.

Not because it “destroys” the “real” Star Trek, the all holy grail of nerdyness its just… It’s J. J. Abrams.

Don’t hit me! I don’t hate him, the only problem is that what much people say that “this will bring in new fans”… That’s just untrue… Who didn’t like the Star Trek series before but loved this movie, won’t go into a dvd store and say:
- Man that new Star Trek was awesome! I wanna by all the series right now! Is there some kind of collectors edition?
No that ain’t gonna happen. What WILL gonna happen tho, or what will possibly happen with the franchise can be cut into three roads.

One goes into the pit of “Last Century’s Legends”.

And the other two to greatness. How ever one is a pretty straight forward road, continuing this world of Star Trek….

The other is the Scenic route that uses the money they get from this movie and go back making series… Of course this can be fatal and for ever kill the chance of a new movie but still, maybe that would be the good thing to do.

Many other Trekkies disagreed with me on my view on Star Trek but i think that after the original series (even tho those were awesome too) the newer Star Trek series became that one outstanding bastion is Sci-fis that actually was a sci-fi. Those never were about huge battles (except just a few episodes to keep us awake) it took a more “What if?” course.

Throw stones at me but because of this Voyager was my favorite. Even tho it had a stupid start (“Really lady? You save a specie that can’t take care of them selves?”) it had many interesting episodes. Remember the one where thanks to what ever it was, the ship duplicated it self and one had to destroy the other or both get destroyed? Or when the Doc’s computer ends up on an alien planet, where they think that the voyager’s crew tried to destroy their civilization two hundred years ago, but the doc fights to prove them wrong? Or when the ship gets torn apart in time, and they have to correct it, and also face old and new enemies at once?

These problems were all there, having scientific background but most people didn’t like them or didn’t notice them in their full.

This is why this movie isn’t healthy for the franchise… It can’t change the whole in the liking of new viewers.

Actually, i don’t say this movie isn’t good. How could i? I didn’t even see it yet (gonna next weekend.. damn should have brought my ticket earlier). But i still have some anger against it as being a “hardcore” trek fan.

Not because it “destroys” the “real” Star Trek, the all holy grail of nerdyness its just… It’s J. J. Abrams.

Don’t hit me! I don’t hate him, the only problem is that what much people say that “this will bring in new fans”… That’s just untrue… Who didn’t like the Star Trek series before but loved this movie, won’t go into a dvd store and say:
- Man that new Star Trek was awesome! I wanna by all the series right now! Is there some kind of collectors edition?
No that ain’t gonna happen. What WILL gonna happen tho, or what will possibly happen with the franchise can be cut into three roads.

One goes into the pit of “Last Century’s Legends”.

And the other two to greatness. How ever one is a pretty straight forward road, continuing this world of Star Trek….

The other is the Scenic route that uses the money they get from this movie and go back making series… Of course this can be fatal and for ever kill the chance of a new movie but still, maybe that would be the good thing to do.

Many other Trekkies disagreed with me on my view on Star Trek but i think that after the original series (even tho those were awesome too) the newer Star Trek series became that one outstanding bastion is Sci-fis that actually was a sci-fi. Those never were about huge battles (except just a few episodes to keep us awake) it took a more “What if?” course.

Throw stones at me but because of this Voyager was my favorite. Even tho it had a stupid start (“Really lady? You save a specie that can’t take care of them selves?”) it had many interesting episodes. Remember the one where thanks to what ever it was, the ship duplicated it self and one had to destroy the other or both get destroyed? Or when the Doc’s computer ends up on an alien planet, where they think that the voyager’s crew tried to destroy their civilization two hundred years ago, but the doc fights to prove them wrong? Or when the ship gets torn apart in time, and they have to correct it, and also face old and new enemies at once?

These problems were all there, having scientific background but most people didn’t like them or didn’t notice them in their full.

This is why this movie isn’t healthy for the franchise… It can’t change the whole in the liking of new viewers.

Pressed submit too fast: Wanted to add:

For me the movies never were real part of the bigger picture, since they couldn’t put so much complicated questions into that one-two hours like they could into a full series. Could they fully explain Data’s inner feelings in one film? Of course not.

And this one is no difference, it will not make new fans to the series, only new fans to J. J. Abrams.

Yeah i talk too much, others said it too.

great vlog.

but try to find another way to present the can on the screen xD

great vlog.

but try to find another way to present the can on the screen xD

Funny, you say “Get over it” and yet you bitched how awful Indiana Jones 4 was…

dasliva,

I am currently at season five. you’re right of course, first two seasons were the worst I’ve seen so far, but nothing you can’t watch, laugh at and have a good time (like… why the hell when the view on the deck’s screen changes by 45° on one side, the imaga it supposedly displays changes by 45° as well? that’s a laugh riot each time they do it).

now, either the series is getting better with time, or it’s growing onto me. by now most of the episodes have a general “let’s all laugh at the android’s inadequacies when it comes to human relations” thing going on, which I find enjoiable. not the android’s behaviour, mind you, but the general human response which is mainly “hahaha, he just can’t get it, can he? we’re sooo superior”.

dasliva,

I am currently at season five. you’re right of course, first two seasons were the worst I’ve seen so far, but nothing you can’t watch, laugh at and have a good time (like… why the hell when the view on the deck’s screen changes by 45° on one side, the imaga it supposedly displays changes by 45° as well? that’s a laugh riot each time they do it).

now, either the series is getting better with time, or it’s growing onto me. by now most of the episodes have a general “let’s all laugh at the android’s inadequacies when it comes to human relations” thing going on, which I find enjoiable. not the android’s behaviour, mind you, but the general human response which is mainly “hahaha, he just can’t get it, can he? we’re sooo superior”.

I’m with you on Trek Noah. I am a trek fan but my interest petered out sometime around Deep Space Nine. Voyager and Enterprise just couldn’t snag my interest.

My opinion of the movie was that it was fun and enjoyable. It came out better than I thought it would. I went in with some lower expectations for it considering how other “re-make” movies have fared, but I thought it was pretty good. The characters made the movie just as they did in the original series .

Now about some comments. I can’t remember exactly but about the star that exploded that started this chain of events, I’m not sure if it was stated it was Romulus’s star or not. I just got the impression that this supernova was huge and threatened a lot of worlds, not just Romulus. Yes, having a black hole is far better than a supernova… Ah, but you forgot to mention just how spock and niro can survive going through a black hole(yet a black hole destroys niro anyway. Continuity anyone?) Oh, and what is with the interior of starships looking like chemical processing plants?

Lens Flare, FTW!

As a massive Dr Who fan in Scotland, I heartily agree, it’s wonderfully cheesy. Though the newer series got better.

Though I’ll agree on your Star Trek review here, and I loved TNG, Voyager and quite like the original series but hate Deep Space Nine and Enterprise. And I loved this movie, I thought the acting was awesome, they decided to make an alternate reality instead of a prequel which was GOOD for me and better than just the prequel itself.
Also, Simon Pegg as Scotty, everyone here cheered when he came on.

As a massive Dr Who fan in Scotland, I heartily agree, it’s wonderfully cheesy. Though the newer series got better.

Though I’ll agree on your Star Trek review here, and I loved TNG, Voyager and quite like the original series but hate Deep Space Nine and Enterprise. And I loved this movie, I thought the acting was awesome, they decided to make an alternate reality instead of a prequel which was GOOD for me and better than just the prequel itself.
Also, Simon Pegg as Scotty, everyone here cheered when he came on.

As someone else said, this reminds me of your view on Indiana Jones 4

In Indy 4, they don’t abuse the lens flare, the editing isn’t as insane and maniac, and it doesn’t break the timeline or whatever, yet you said to “Get over it” to fans of Star Trek who said Star Trek “raped their childhood”

I’ve actually been pondering whether to see this movie…

I don’t EXACTLY agree with Doctor who (MODERN doctor Who) being cheesy, but it’s fine. I’m not going to go to Arizona and kill you.

But it did help me decide that I should see it.

I’ve actually been pondering whether to see this movie…

I don’t EXACTLY agree with Doctor who (MODERN doctor Who) being cheesy, but it’s fine. I’m not going to go to Arizona and kill you.

But it did help me decide that I should see it.

What’s wrong with Highlander 2? It explains what and why the immortals are, and it features a bigass shield around the world. It is not as good as the first one, but it ties in with the first, something the 3rd doesn’t even try to do… Hell the 3rd doesn’t even tie in with the tv-series.

Anyway, nice review. I do not really have an affinity for Star Trek, but I do like Shatner, so I thought i would avoid this Billless movie, but you’ve talked me into seeing it… If I don’t have to pay :)

Keep up the good work.

Concerning that whole Nero waiting 25 years for Spock. Aparently, what happened after attacking USS Kelvin, Nero gets captured by Klingons and spent a good chunk of his time trying to escape. This subplot was cut due to length.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek_(film)#Filming

I personally thought this was the best made film so far this year (granted, that hasn’t been much of a accoplishment), though Watchmen is still my favorite (if that makes sense).

Concerning that whole Nero waiting 25 years for Spock. Aparently, what happened after attacking USS Kelvin, Nero gets captured by Klingons and spent a good chunk of his time trying to escape. This subplot was cut due to length.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek_(film)#Filming

I personally thought this was the best made film so far this year (granted, that hasn’t been much of a accoplishment), though Watchmen is still my favorite (if that makes sense).

to the idiots that are calling out spoony on hypocrisy

Star trek <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< indiana jones series, thus higher standards to live up to. the 4th indy had three fucking amazing movies previous
to compare it to. Whereas Star Trek has…. has…. *snort* Nemisis? First Contact? which were all pretty shit and convoluted, much like EVERY START TREK SERIES MADE EVER. Seriously, i can see why people like it and are fans of it (much like i could be a fan of cheesy japanese mecha series like GaoGaiGar) but Star Trek isn’t the most polished franchise ever to be honest

Spoony already said that Trek was cheesy (and it fecking is), much like Doctor Who (both current and old) which is what I also agree with.

My opinion? we didn’t need another indy movie. But fair enough, choose to beef up the Star Trek franchise if ya want. God knows it needs it

I don’t know whether anyone’s mentioned this already, but why does the guy who plays Kirk in this film look like he has shit smeared all over his face in every scene in this film?

I don’t know whether anyone’s mentioned this already, but why does the guy who plays Kirk in this film look like he has shit smeared all over his face in every scene in this film?

i was kind of using this movie as a test run for j.j. abrams – he’s set to direct the Dark Tower series by Stephen King, and i wanted to make sure that he was going to do a good job.
he’s gonna be abso-fucking-lutely amazing at the Dark Tower.

Spoony, are you getting your Trek movies confused? Undiscovered Country was awesome.

And why are hard core Trekkers freaking out about this film? If it’s set in an alternate reality, all they have to do is say ‘it’s set in an alternate reality, it’s separate from TOS’. Those are the kind of fans I don’t like, the ones who have to explain every little continuity error, every little difference between episodes. It’s just a TV show. I love it, but I’ve learned you should just sit back, relax and let yourself be entertained (unless it really blows chunks like Enterprise and about 90% of Voyager).

Actually, I’d like to think that the events of all the other series still happened.

I mean, of COURSE they still happened. If they hadn’t happened, they’d be happening, wouldn’t they? If they hadn’t happened, you wouldn’t have any Spock for Nero to get pissed at, which means Nero wouldn’t have gone back in time, and the events of TOS and TNG would have happened as usual. I like to think of this as a way to have a sequel that still has the original crew in it.

Spoony, are you getting your Trek movies confused? Undiscovered Country was awesome.

And why are hard core Trekkers freaking out about this film? If it’s set in an alternate reality, all they have to do is say ‘it’s set in an alternate reality, it’s separate from TOS’. Those are the kind of fans I don’t like, the ones who have to explain every little continuity error, every little difference between episodes. It’s just a TV show. I love it, but I’ve learned you should just sit back, relax and let yourself be entertained (unless it really blows chunks like Enterprise and about 90% of Voyager).

was the lizard fucking worse than Mansquito?
btw it’s nice to see another positive reveiw, the things you didnt like were the things anyone wouldnt like and you didnt harp on vulcan

was the lizard fucking worse than Mansquito?
btw it’s nice to see another positive reveiw, the things you didnt like were the things anyone wouldnt like and you didnt harp on vulcan

I still have no desire to see this movie. For a number of reasons.

For one, I felt no need to “see” how Kirk became captain of the Enterprise any more than I needed to “see’ how Anakin Skywalker and Obi-Wan Kenobi met or to “see” what the planet Zeist was like. It’s unnecessary and uninteresting and unlikely to have been handled well. It devolves the entire proceedings into fan service. “Hey look! And Asian guy! He must be playing Sulu!”

I am a more casual Star Trek fan. I stopped watching the series after Next Generation ended and I stopped watching the movies after First Contact turned out to be so terrible.

Also, this was pointed out to me, that the villain and his crew are a lot like Khan, being a dingy group bent on vengeance and getting their mits on a powerful plot device, in this case that red matter stuff. Funny how they just can’t stop trying to duplicate the success of Wrath of Khan, isn’t it?

But more to the point, the way this thing is marketed and what I’ve heard is in it tells me this movie is no different than Dark Knight, Ghost Rider, Fantastic Four, X-Men 3 and many other movies made on geeky properties. They do not care about the material and hold the audience in utter contempt. They think this is good enough and the fans will like it anyway. Well, sorry. I’m not buying.

To be fair, Voyager did get better as the series progressed as well. It was never on caliber with the others, but it did get a little better.

I think the time police were not around in Kirks time…mabye.

And yeah, Dr. Who is one of those So-Bad-it’s-good shows…kinda like Lost in Space (which, by the way never had a full length move. Nope, not a one)

Speaking of selective amnisia, I like to pretend that Enterprise does not exist.

To be fair, Voyager did get better as the series progressed as well. It was never on caliber with the others, but it did get a little better.

I think the time police were not around in Kirks time…mabye.

And yeah, Dr. Who is one of those So-Bad-it’s-good shows…kinda like Lost in Space (which, by the way never had a full length move. Nope, not a one)

Speaking of selective amnisia, I like to pretend that Enterprise does not exist.

It was a good movie, and it entertained me, but there was something odd about it…
Like 2 and a half hours passed, and it felt like nothing had really happened xD

i had the distinct feeling that this was a reinvention and a reboot on top of that. they are trying to pull new fans in. which they did. like the new star wars movies fans hated. but it grabbed many new ones. plenty of younger people like the new and not the old because they find them cheesy. i thought this movie was really well done. i didnt like the time travel bit. it is way overplayed in science fiction and not neraly as well done as others. but ya. great movie :) side note i only ever liked the next generation. and only cuz i like a couple characters. action has always sucked. lol

i had the distinct feeling that this was a reinvention and a reboot on top of that. they are trying to pull new fans in. which they did. like the new star wars movies fans hated. but it grabbed many new ones. plenty of younger people like the new and not the old because they find them cheesy. i thought this movie was really well done. i didnt like the time travel bit. it is way overplayed in science fiction and not neraly as well done as others. but ya. great movie :) side note i only ever liked the next generation. and only cuz i like a couple characters. action has always sucked. lol

My opinion is probably worthless. I only remember one Star Trek movie that was about climbing and camping and a whale (or was that a different movie?). I know nothing about the fandom but after turning of my brain I was entertained and it made me wish that there was a tv series about the new timeline just to see these characters in trashy action.

And I think Nero didn’t bother saving his planet because it’s a different timeline now. Saving his planet
wouldn’t do shit in his timeline, obviously he didn’t care about other timelines (who could blame him, there is no end to them) and
just wanted revenge. For 25 years.

I saw this movie and I got to say, it just feels like this is a desperate move to save a dying franchise. The original Star Trek was before my time, I saw it, but I guess I just can’t appreciate it like people who grew up with the series did. What I loved was the Next Generation and Deep Space Nine. Voyager was alright, but I’m big on continuity and progression. Voyager offered none of that as it was essentially one small ship off in the middle of no where. It had it’s good moments, but it contributed very little to the larger Star Trek plot (unless making the Borg look surprisingly weak and ineffective can be considered a contribution).

Enterprise really bothered me because there’s nothing I dislike more than prequels, and even for a prequel, it was really poorly done. It had no regard for what comes after it and even without the time travel stories, it really felt like an alternate timeline (with the exception of the final season, which tried to undo the damage of all the previous seasons). I think Enterprise failed because loyal Star Trek fans didn’t want to see and and the series had no mainstream appeal, so it’s one of those unique series that really appealed to no one.

As for the new Star Trek movie…it was good, but like I said, it was a desperation act and one that boxes them into a corner. I really doubt we’re ever going to get another movie or series that takes place in the main timeline. I think Enterprise and this movie suggests that the studio just feels there’s no more money in more sequels. A reboot was the only way. Even if there was to be a sequel, they just destroyed Romulus in a fashion that probably crippled the Romulan Empire. So there’s the last major adversary of the Federation gone.

All the same, we got this new Star Trek timeline that can go in any direction. But so what? Yes, with the original crew made young again you can probably come up with 2-3 more good movies before this alternate timeline just collapses on itself. We’ve already seen a lot with this people with the original series and the movies, how much more can they do with them before it gets stale and repetitive? Even if it doesn’t, how much longer can they hold this new group of actor/actresses intact? After they can’t anymore, what do they do? Make a sequel to the alternative timeline? We’ve already seen the Federation grow from the 23rd century into the 24th once, do we really care to see it happen again? And once you’ve milked this alternate timeline, is there anywhere left to take Star Trek? Back to the original timeline, where all the major villains (the Dominion, the Romulans, the Cardassians, the Borg, etc) have been essentially neutralized? This timeline that modern fans are increasingly unfamiliar with because you haven’t really touched on it since the end of Deep Space Nine in 1999. Do you create yet another alternate reality?

I think the franchises long term health would have been better served through a sequel. Set it a hundred years after the events of Nemesis if you want with an all new crew. Take the Enterprise out of it entirely if you want, focus on a darker Federation if you want, make very few references to the past if you want. The future has the luxury of ignoring the past and not getting trapped by it. But most importantly, with a plot that takes place in the future of the series, you have room to grow. With this movie you’re boxing yourself into a trap.

Anyways, that’s my take on the movie. It’s not that I thought it was bad, it’s that I was hoping that this would be the movie to save the Trek franchise. Instead it just bought it a few more years.

I saw this movie and I got to say, it just feels like this is a desperate move to save a dying franchise. The original Star Trek was before my time, I saw it, but I guess I just can’t appreciate it like people who grew up with the series did. What I loved was the Next Generation and Deep Space Nine. Voyager was alright, but I’m big on continuity and progression. Voyager offered none of that as it was essentially one small ship off in the middle of no where. It had it’s good moments, but it contributed very little to the larger Star Trek plot (unless making the Borg look surprisingly weak and ineffective can be considered a contribution).

Enterprise really bothered me because there’s nothing I dislike more than prequels, and even for a prequel, it was really poorly done. It had no regard for what comes after it and even without the time travel stories, it really felt like an alternate timeline (with the exception of the final season, which tried to undo the damage of all the previous seasons). I think Enterprise failed because loyal Star Trek fans didn’t want to see and and the series had no mainstream appeal, so it’s one of those unique series that really appealed to no one.

As for the new Star Trek movie…it was good, but like I said, it was a desperation act and one that boxes them into a corner. I really doubt we’re ever going to get another movie or series that takes place in the main timeline. I think Enterprise and this movie suggests that the studio just feels there’s no more money in more sequels. A reboot was the only way. Even if there was to be a sequel, they just destroyed Romulus in a fashion that probably crippled the Romulan Empire. So there’s the last major adversary of the Federation gone.

All the same, we got this new Star Trek timeline that can go in any direction. But so what? Yes, with the original crew made young again you can probably come up with 2-3 more good movies before this alternate timeline just collapses on itself. We’ve already seen a lot with this people with the original series and the movies, how much more can they do with them before it gets stale and repetitive? Even if it doesn’t, how much longer can they hold this new group of actor/actresses intact? After they can’t anymore, what do they do? Make a sequel to the alternative timeline? We’ve already seen the Federation grow from the 23rd century into the 24th once, do we really care to see it happen again? And once you’ve milked this alternate timeline, is there anywhere left to take Star Trek? Back to the original timeline, where all the major villains (the Dominion, the Romulans, the Cardassians, the Borg, etc) have been essentially neutralized? This timeline that modern fans are increasingly unfamiliar with because you haven’t really touched on it since the end of Deep Space Nine in 1999. Do you create yet another alternate reality?

I think the franchises long term health would have been better served through a sequel. Set it a hundred years after the events of Nemesis if you want with an all new crew. Take the Enterprise out of it entirely if you want, focus on a darker Federation if you want, make very few references to the past if you want. The future has the luxury of ignoring the past and not getting trapped by it. But most importantly, with a plot that takes place in the future of the series, you have room to grow. With this movie you’re boxing yourself into a trap.

Anyways, that’s my take on the movie. It’s not that I thought it was bad, it’s that I was hoping that this would be the movie to save the Trek franchise. Instead it just bought it a few more years.

Hey Spoony!
Just wanted to give you some good stuff and some bad stuff.
I really really like that before you do your reviews you state the perspective out of which you review this movie from. You locate yourself in the overall discourse which I don’t think a lot of reviewers do but what is in my humble opionion almost crucial.
What I don’t like is that there are spoilers everywhere. Maybe you could do just a short part to give your overall opinion so that ordinary people like me that really trust your opinion (not only because of the stuff i mentioned above) could see whether the movie was watchworthy or not.
But nevertheless keep them coming. Your little ramblings keep me just one little step ahead of other nerds that don’t watch your videos to prepare for upcoming movie discussions. ;-)

First off, understand that I was raised on Star Trek. A full decade before I discovered Lord of the Rings or Star Wars, or any other major geeky thing (15 years before I discovered D&D for example) I was watching every single episode of Star Trek the Next Generation as they aired, catching the Original Series in between, thanks to my huge Trekker mother. I’ve owned multiple costumes of Star Trek, etc.

And you know what? I don’t feel betrayed in the slightest by the new movie. Yeah, it had some minor plot problems, As Spoony himself said, all movies have problems. I actually thought it had less than some of the rabid fans have been saying, particularly about the rapid rise of Kirk from cadet to captain. (even so it is still fast) Throughout the film there are subtle hints that Nero attacking the Kelvin actually starts a war (or perhaps cold war) between the Federation and Romulan Empire. Such a war, and all it’s casualties would cause a greater demand for competent officers. (And PIke was the one who saw Kirk’s potential) It seems they were trying to emphasize greatly how much one event like the Kelvin would really effect the time-line in a quarter century.

You know what though. It’s a movie. Not real. Not sacred. A movie for our entertainment. That doesn’t mean it can’t talk about important issues and make people better or more hopeful for the future, but it is still a movie. I loved the movie, and thought it was a great way to give the franchise a fresh start, free from all the dead weight of bad episodes and movies. (as well as the good ones)

First off, understand that I was raised on Star Trek. A full decade before I discovered Lord of the Rings or Star Wars, or any other major geeky thing (15 years before I discovered D&D for example) I was watching every single episode of Star Trek the Next Generation as they aired, catching the Original Series in between, thanks to my huge Trekker mother. I’ve owned multiple costumes of Star Trek, etc.

And you know what? I don’t feel betrayed in the slightest by the new movie. Yeah, it had some minor plot problems, As Spoony himself said, all movies have problems. I actually thought it had less than some of the rabid fans have been saying, particularly about the rapid rise of Kirk from cadet to captain. (even so it is still fast) Throughout the film there are subtle hints that Nero attacking the Kelvin actually starts a war (or perhaps cold war) between the Federation and Romulan Empire. Such a war, and all it’s casualties would cause a greater demand for competent officers. (And PIke was the one who saw Kirk’s potential) It seems they were trying to emphasize greatly how much one event like the Kelvin would really effect the time-line in a quarter century.

You know what though. It’s a movie. Not real. Not sacred. A movie for our entertainment. That doesn’t mean it can’t talk about important issues and make people better or more hopeful for the future, but it is still a movie. I loved the movie, and thought it was a great way to give the franchise a fresh start, free from all the dead weight of bad episodes and movies. (as well as the good ones)

I was really impressed by the movie and consider it a good one …. except every single part that had to do with Nero.

1. Why is his mining vessel capable of taking out several federation ships at the same time? Yeah, THE FUTURE, but it was still a fucking mining vessel and they didn’t had any time to outfit it between the destruction of Romulus and the time jump. Are they mining Mordor?

2. Why the hell didn’t they evacuate Romulus? They had advanced warning enough to call for Spock and let him build his little magical dark hole spaceship.

3. Why didn’t Nero evacuate his wife? He had his OWN SHIP thats bigger then a federation vessel and yet only has about a dozen crew members. There would have been space enough, even considering all those death pits of doom, to take a few hundred people. You know, just in case the Vulcan fucks up.

4. Why DID he wait for Spock and his dark hole Phlebotinum? They had no problem taking out federation ships, they could have destroyed the fleet and then nuked Vulcan and the Federation planets in a hundred different ways! Hey, you don’t actually need a black hole when you have the capability to drill to A PLANET’S CORE!

This might have been mentioned already, I’m not feeling in the mood to go back and check.

But to the fans that complain about this making the Trek universe meaningless… numerous times throughout most of the various series, there is a parallel universe shown (aka the universe of the “Terran Empire”). Where humanity is violent and cruel, they conquer planets and take their achievements, forget Prime Directive and all that, all your base belong to us, primitive or not, but especially if not. Enterprise made the defining difference in that universe when Cochran (sp?) killed the Vulcan captain of the ship that came to see him and they took his ship. True, things were already very different before that point, but the point is that there can be MULTIPLE universes in Trek, there already are. Why can’t a fan, who should KNOW this, see this as a 3rd parallel universe now?

Then again, I never did understand how single universe time travel (“affecting the universe we’re from!”) AND parallel universe (“Not out universe, but same time!”) plots can happen in the same continuity. Then again, my personal belief is that if time travel is EVER possible, paradoxes will be impossible because of the concept of a multiverse, every choice and every option gets chosen, every possibility has been selected, and every time there’s a parallel universe from it. In one universe you wore white socks, and in another you wore black socks that same day, and nothing else different from the former. But that’s just my thought, take it or leave it.

To Spoony: I have to say, your defense of creating a black hole vs. letting the sun go supernova is the best possible defense there. It’s flimsy, but it’s something lol.

This might have been mentioned already, I’m not feeling in the mood to go back and check.

But to the fans that complain about this making the Trek universe meaningless… numerous times throughout most of the various series, there is a parallel universe shown (aka the universe of the “Terran Empire”). Where humanity is violent and cruel, they conquer planets and take their achievements, forget Prime Directive and all that, all your base belong to us, primitive or not, but especially if not. Enterprise made the defining difference in that universe when Cochran (sp?) killed the Vulcan captain of the ship that came to see him and they took his ship. True, things were already very different before that point, but the point is that there can be MULTIPLE universes in Trek, there already are. Why can’t a fan, who should KNOW this, see this as a 3rd parallel universe now?

Then again, I never did understand how single universe time travel (“affecting the universe we’re from!”) AND parallel universe (“Not out universe, but same time!”) plots can happen in the same continuity. Then again, my personal belief is that if time travel is EVER possible, paradoxes will be impossible because of the concept of a multiverse, every choice and every option gets chosen, every possibility has been selected, and every time there’s a parallel universe from it. In one universe you wore white socks, and in another you wore black socks that same day, and nothing else different from the former. But that’s just my thought, take it or leave it.

To Spoony: I have to say, your defense of creating a black hole vs. letting the sun go supernova is the best possible defense there. It’s flimsy, but it’s something lol.

Actually about the captain in one day. We were on an educational trip in Moscow and a businessman(or actually a “problem solver”) from our country told all kind of interesting stories of his “gray” career in Russia. The guy was a private or corporal or something as low. Then he had a chance to attend a party with high ranking military officers thanks to his “problem solver” career. One of the Generals just promoted him to Colonel just because no one lower than Colonel has ever been there. Now he is a real Colonel with all the paperwork done too. If one guy can become a Colonel just by attending a party then… …then i don’t see how Kirk’s promotions seem that strange. At least he had time to be a first officer in between and he actually did something.

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One minor thing that got me for no real reason is that alternate replacement spock sucks at the vulcan salute

Having just watched the film, I find it hard to believe we watched the same movie. I watched the review first and was looking for the plot holes you mentioned. They are all explained perfectly and some, like Spock’s anger problems, don’t even seem to be near what you made them out to be. Except for young Spock defending his mother and Kirk pissing him off near the end he seemed very cold and logical. They even made a point of his having a subdued reaction to his entire planet, including his mother, being destroyed. Also, I’m sure others have pointed this out but the star was NOT their sun and the black hole was supposed to be created to suck in the star before it could destroy the planet. Spock creating the black hole out of the star was a last ditch effort.
I am not a big trek fan but I thought this film was great and the divergent time lines (the original time line still exists by the way or else old Spock wouldn’t remember a different future) was a perfect way to create new stories not held down by continuity rather than just rebooting without any reference to the original series continuity. Now anything can happen to these characters including unexpected deaths.

Having just watched the film, I find it hard to believe we watched the same movie. I watched the review first and was looking for the plot holes you mentioned. They are all explained perfectly and some, like Spock’s anger problems, don’t even seem to be near what you made them out to be. Except for young Spock defending his mother and Kirk pissing him off near the end he seemed very cold and logical. They even made a point of his having a subdued reaction to his entire planet, including his mother, being destroyed. Also, I’m sure others have pointed this out but the star was NOT their sun and the black hole was supposed to be created to suck in the star before it could destroy the planet. Spock creating the black hole out of the star was a last ditch effort.
I am not a big trek fan but I thought this film was great and the divergent time lines (the original time line still exists by the way or else old Spock wouldn’t remember a different future) was a perfect way to create new stories not held down by continuity rather than just rebooting without any reference to the original series continuity. Now anything can happen to these characters including unexpected deaths.

Clarification. I believe the black hole was supposed to suck in the “energy” of the star, or something to that effect, so it wouldn’t reach Romulus. Not the entire star itself. Just in case you bring up that it would also suck in the planet.

I don’t get why people say this movie invalidates everything that came before it. (real world chronology) nothing in this movie would have happened the way it did if it hadn’t been for events in the original continuity. That all still happened. this movie creates divergent continuity with essentially alternate reality versions of the old characters. different Jim Kirk, different Spock Etc. It didn’t wipe away the previous series at all.

I don’t get why people say this movie invalidates everything that came before it. (real world chronology) nothing in this movie would have happened the way it did if it hadn’t been for events in the original continuity. That all still happened. this movie creates divergent continuity with essentially alternate reality versions of the old characters. different Jim Kirk, different Spock Etc. It didn’t wipe away the previous series at all.

2 thing I thought made this movie great: Kirk almost fucking the green thing, and the red shirt dieing the second they landed on the drill.

Since I’ve got all you Star Trek fans in one place, can some of you tell me why Nemesis gets such a bad rap? I thought it was okay (at least as Trek movies go) but not stellar, but I don’t understand why people seem to hate it so much. So, honest question, why DO so many Trek fans hate Nemesis so much?

Since I’ve got all you Star Trek fans in one place, can some of you tell me why Nemesis gets such a bad rap? I thought it was okay (at least as Trek movies go) but not stellar, but I don’t understand why people seem to hate it so much. So, honest question, why DO so many Trek fans hate Nemesis so much?

OMGYES THE FUCKING LENS FLARES EVERY 5 seconds! I can’t believe no one else noticed it, was giving me a headache. It was an OK movie, but I’ll forget it like any action movie.

I like Dr.Who, and I thought that Spoony was only half right on that regard.

The old series was awesome, and cheesy as hell, but the new series is awesome and much better. :D But then, I’m British, so of course I’ll stick up for it. XD

I like Dr.Who, and I thought that Spoony was only half right on that regard.

The old series was awesome, and cheesy as hell, but the new series is awesome and much better. :D But then, I’m British, so of course I’ll stick up for it. XD

I believe Orci (the writer) has said that the new timeline did not replace the old one, but simply split from it. When Spock and Nero go back in time they are in a new universe, rather than their own past.

I liked the movie, though the baddie is pretty cliche.

I mostly agree with Spoony here. Although I think he’s underselling the franchise in some regards. Trek at it’s best can be deeply philosophical, hopeful, dramatic and exciting. At it’s worst, it’s preachy, campy, slow-paced, and especially in the later series, filled with insane amounts of technobabble. The actual ratio of good episodes to bad ones varies with the series and the original series definitely had a good dose of crap, but I try not to watch those episodes ;D

This movie has/had lots of potential. I agree that the plot was pretty dumb, but not nearly as dumb as some of the episodes or even one or two of the other movies. A sequel would be good, but I hope they try to take more time for a better plot and more character work. Basically, slow the pace a bit. It can still be exciting and action-oriented, but I think they need to focus some more on the characters and less on flashy effects… but that could be said about a lot of movies.

As a visual artist I also had a problem with the sets in some places. Besides the obviously ludicrous Romulan ship, did anyone else think that the Enterprise had some really bad sets? I mean the engine room was like a mass of random pipes, like it was filmed in a disused factory (like something out of Space Mutiny, from MST3K)and the bridge was just too bright and shiny, so that I had trouble working out what was what. And what’s with the federation outpost having distinctly twentieth century ceramic tiles on the walls?

I mostly agree with Spoony here. Although I think he’s underselling the franchise in some regards. Trek at it’s best can be deeply philosophical, hopeful, dramatic and exciting. At it’s worst, it’s preachy, campy, slow-paced, and especially in the later series, filled with insane amounts of technobabble. The actual ratio of good episodes to bad ones varies with the series and the original series definitely had a good dose of crap, but I try not to watch those episodes ;D

This movie has/had lots of potential. I agree that the plot was pretty dumb, but not nearly as dumb as some of the episodes or even one or two of the other movies. A sequel would be good, but I hope they try to take more time for a better plot and more character work. Basically, slow the pace a bit. It can still be exciting and action-oriented, but I think they need to focus some more on the characters and less on flashy effects… but that could be said about a lot of movies.

As a visual artist I also had a problem with the sets in some places. Besides the obviously ludicrous Romulan ship, did anyone else think that the Enterprise had some really bad sets? I mean the engine room was like a mass of random pipes, like it was filmed in a disused factory (like something out of Space Mutiny, from MST3K)and the bridge was just too bright and shiny, so that I had trouble working out what was what. And what’s with the federation outpost having distinctly twentieth century ceramic tiles on the walls?

Undoubtably echoed countless times here, but, by virtue of future Spock’s existance, the timeline can’t be replaced. It would create a time paradox since Spock’s life would have been significantly different that as soon as Neero changed the event’s, future Spock’s memory would have been replaced with the current Spock’s memory. So, Trek fans can put down their phasers and relax, crisis averted.

i really don’t understand why hardcore trek fans are so against this film. this film basically creates an alternate universe that can exist in divergence from the original trek time line. it doesn’t undo the original time line at all, at least to me it doesn’t.

i really don’t understand why hardcore trek fans are so against this film. this film basically creates an alternate universe that can exist in divergence from the original trek time line. it doesn’t undo the original time line at all, at least to me it doesn’t.

Hey all, just got back from the movies. Yup, Spoony was right on the money about the picture. One thing was understated tho – they should hand out sunglasses before you go in the theatre – the constant lens flares are a complete bast@rd. Enjoyed the fan service, McCoy was indeed scary and enjoyed every second he was on the screen. Agree with Stickem #127 Kirk still has never had green alien sex and the red shirt buying the farm immediately was worth a laugh. Sorry Zachary, you tried but Leonard Nimoy was Spock, is Spock and ALWAYS will be Spock. After the movie I was also asked the question “Did William Shatner really play Captain Kirk? I couldn’t picture him as Kirk”. Go figure.

I saw this movie just last night and I’m not a hardcore fan of Star Trek. I mean the original show used to come on TV on whatever channel I just happened to have it on and I would just eavesdrop. I know about Spock’s epic sleeper pinch thing and some of the quotes I remember hearing in the movie. The film was very entertaining. I almost regret not watching everything up to this but in regard to what you said about hardcore fans being displeased or everything after Next Gen going downhill, I guess I didn’t miss much XD.

Awww you didn’t like Sabotage? It sure got me into the mood. Although in the presence of the movie it did seem really off. Not in terms of Kirk being rebellious but in the terms of time. I mean, what year is this? Isn’t this some kind of futuristic world? Sabotage has got to be somewhat of an oldie by then. And in that logic why would a rebellious kid listen to an oldie rock song? Wait, don’t answer that x.x

Actually I think I might have some kind of counter argument for Nero on the whole 25 years thing which the way you explained it is a major flaw in the movie. 25 years and they do nothing? It’s an awful concept but really… Was Nero really aware that he was in the past? I mean he even asked the old commander of the USS Kelvin what the stardate was. Which he didn’t really answer that question. So he might have not even known it was the past at all until which 25 years later when they see a younger Spock and Kirk.

Also the whole hardcore fans ravaging over the fall of Vulcan was kind of just irritating. OH NOES! ALL IS LOST! T_T Really? I thought it was the most interesting thing to have happened in the movie. So a character (Spock’s Mother) and a whole planet that was important in the plot of the old series was wiped out completely? Wow o.o Now what happens? I just happen to like alternate realities. It’s fascinating to watch events unfold differently. Just watch Higurashi no Naku Koro ni to see what I mean.

And the thing about Spock losing control of his emotions frequently in the movie well… I think old Spock said it best. “I just saw my home planet and it’s six billion inhabitants along with my mother just get instantly vaporized. How do you think I feel?” Not the exact quote but that alone should explain the conflict with Spock. Oh and I never noticed the ongoing lens flares. I don’t look for stuff like that, sorry. You gotta hand it though. Compared to the 60s show, this is a pretty exciting movie. I mean back then in it was just a little plastic model on a string just slowly moving across the screen. Now it’s WHOOSH BEOM BEOM! BOOM! In all it’s complexity.

Any hardcore fans who hate this movie can have their opinions. I honestly don’t care for it. I liked the movie so there. You can’t ruin my experience by whining about nit picky things. It’s almost as if no matter what the producers do, a group of fans were gonna hate it. They just think everything made after the classic productions are worthless or not as good. Just look at the Sonic The Hedgehog Franchise which is actually more true. This movie was just a good action/adventure movie. Stop being such haters.

I saw this movie just last night and I’m not a hardcore fan of Star Trek. I mean the original show used to come on TV on whatever channel I just happened to have it on and I would just eavesdrop. I know about Spock’s epic sleeper pinch thing and some of the quotes I remember hearing in the movie. The film was very entertaining. I almost regret not watching everything up to this but in regard to what you said about hardcore fans being displeased or everything after Next Gen going downhill, I guess I didn’t miss much XD.

Awww you didn’t like Sabotage? It sure got me into the mood. Although in the presence of the movie it did seem really off. Not in terms of Kirk being rebellious but in the terms of time. I mean, what year is this? Isn’t this some kind of futuristic world? Sabotage has got to be somewhat of an oldie by then. And in that logic why would a rebellious kid listen to an oldie rock song? Wait, don’t answer that x.x

Actually I think I might have some kind of counter argument for Nero on the whole 25 years thing which the way you explained it is a major flaw in the movie. 25 years and they do nothing? It’s an awful concept but really… Was Nero really aware that he was in the past? I mean he even asked the old commander of the USS Kelvin what the stardate was. Which he didn’t really answer that question. So he might have not even known it was the past at all until which 25 years later when they see a younger Spock and Kirk.

Also the whole hardcore fans ravaging over the fall of Vulcan was kind of just irritating. OH NOES! ALL IS LOST! T_T Really? I thought it was the most interesting thing to have happened in the movie. So a character (Spock’s Mother) and a whole planet that was important in the plot of the old series was wiped out completely? Wow o.o Now what happens? I just happen to like alternate realities. It’s fascinating to watch events unfold differently. Just watch Higurashi no Naku Koro ni to see what I mean.

And the thing about Spock losing control of his emotions frequently in the movie well… I think old Spock said it best. “I just saw my home planet and it’s six billion inhabitants along with my mother just get instantly vaporized. How do you think I feel?” Not the exact quote but that alone should explain the conflict with Spock. Oh and I never noticed the ongoing lens flares. I don’t look for stuff like that, sorry. You gotta hand it though. Compared to the 60s show, this is a pretty exciting movie. I mean back then in it was just a little plastic model on a string just slowly moving across the screen. Now it’s WHOOSH BEOM BEOM! BOOM! In all it’s complexity.

Any hardcore fans who hate this movie can have their opinions. I honestly don’t care for it. I liked the movie so there. You can’t ruin my experience by whining about nit picky things. It’s almost as if no matter what the producers do, a group of fans were gonna hate it. They just think everything made after the classic productions are worthless or not as good. Just look at the Sonic The Hedgehog Franchise which is actually more true. This movie was just a good action/adventure movie. Stop being such haters.

I saw “Star Trek” two days ago and I can say that I hate it. But my problem is not the new timeline that “clean the table”, nor the destruction of Vulcano. The problems I have with this movie are two.

First one is the bullshit story and screenplay:
- Nero hates the Federation just because they didn’t help?!? And he destroys Vulcano because Spock TRY TO HELP his people but didn’t make it in time??!?! Who the fuck is he? Jason Voorhees after a brain trauma acts more logically!!! And noone in his crew have nothing to say?!?!?
- Nero travels back in time and think that the first thing to do was NOT go to Romulus and warn his planet, nor try to use the “Red Matter” to travel back in time in the future to stop the destruction of his planet??!!?
- And the “RED MATTER”? Who give the name to this element? A kid? There were no scientists around to give it a proper scientific name?!?!? Because… you know… there are “dilithium”, “threllium D”, “latinum” and… “the red matter”!!! Why not the “Red blobby shit that kick ass”??
- Spock, a first officer of the most important ship of Starfleet, behave like a 15 years old in the transporter room, flirting IN PUBLIC with another officer??!!? Who the fuck they think they are? Padme and Anakin?
- Black holes that sometimes destroy planets and ship and other times makes them travel in time??!?
- A fucking huge black hole opens in the Solar System and NOTHING happens to Earth?!?!?!?!??
- Spock kicks Kirk out the ship to most certain death because he is acting like a jerk?!? They don’t have any detention room or security guards???
I can continue for years… Who write this movie? George Lucas??? Only in Star Wars prequels I saw the same amount of plot holes, twists and contrived shit!!!

Second problem is that this movie is a Star Trek movie, not an action-science fiction generic movie like “Cloverfield”. All Star Trek movies and TV episodes have some kind of “message”, they aren’t just a long sequence of things that blown up.
Bah…

I apologize for my english. I’m italian. :-)

I saw your Vlog. I agree with you with nearly everything…
Karl Urban was really great as McCoy.
I didn’t like Scotty. I love Simon Pegg but they design Scotty as a bidimensional character that work only as comic relief.

I saw your Vlog. I agree with you with nearly everything…
Karl Urban was really great as McCoy.
I didn’t like Scotty. I love Simon Pegg but they design Scotty as a bidimensional character that work only as comic relief.

I thought it was just A star that was going supernova. It didn’t mention anything about it being Romulus’ sun, it was just, well, A star. Maybe it was near Romulus’ star system?

Also, I don’t see why people are freaking out about canon and timelines. The entire movie is the beginning of an alternate timeline created by the Romulans and Spock coming through that black hole in the first few scenes. Parallel dimensions, duders. Once you start messing around with time travel plots, the kid gloves come off.

It’s a shame that McCoy essentially disappeared after the first half of the movie, though.

You should call it an Impresssion, rather than a review, since you didn’t even give a spoiler-free run-down, you just kinda gave your impression about it and the different views.

You should call it an Impresssion, rather than a review, since you didn’t even give a spoiler-free run-down, you just kinda gave your impression about it and the different views.

Im surprised you didn’t mention how ‘coincidental’ the movie was, with all the right characters meeting at the right times, so that it happens all perfect and dandy..

I’ve gotta say that I’m a trekkie and I thought it was a betrayal like you said.

I’m not so much upset that they reset the trek continuum…. next gen, DS9, voyager… not too terribly mad that those didn’t happen according to the plot cause well, they’re still on DVD and they’re still great, the movie didn’t take them out back and shoot them imo…

What I DO feel betrayed about is that the star trek universe seems to be stuck on trying to come up with a good prequel. they tried it with enterprise and they tried it with the new movie (which, I think will be more well recieved than enterprise overall), but it seems like every star trek writer has the same stupid time travel plot stuck in their head.

I mean, there was a time travel incident that changed the future…. wasn’t that the whole plot of like every season of enterprise???? Seriously… go ahead and make your prequels but come up with something new for the love of pete!

I’ve gotta say that I’m a trekkie and I thought it was a betrayal like you said.

I’m not so much upset that they reset the trek continuum…. next gen, DS9, voyager… not too terribly mad that those didn’t happen according to the plot cause well, they’re still on DVD and they’re still great, the movie didn’t take them out back and shoot them imo…

What I DO feel betrayed about is that the star trek universe seems to be stuck on trying to come up with a good prequel. they tried it with enterprise and they tried it with the new movie (which, I think will be more well recieved than enterprise overall), but it seems like every star trek writer has the same stupid time travel plot stuck in their head.

I mean, there was a time travel incident that changed the future…. wasn’t that the whole plot of like every season of enterprise???? Seriously… go ahead and make your prequels but come up with something new for the love of pete!

I don’t know if this has been mentioned by others but by the time the movie takes place the federation had not know what a romulan looked like, as established in the episode Balance of Terror. In the Enterprise era with the Kir’shara story ark the romulans in it like Vlos were indistinguishable from vulcans and therefore not identifiable as romulan. The OMG they look vulcan reaction which is missing from this movie suggests the knew what they looked like. ( Unless saved sensor and log info from the kelvin explains it all away )

PS: I can be considered a core fan but i liked the movie. The disposal of the old continuity give future films the freedom that sticking to the old timeline would severely hamper.

I loved the film and I don’t see in anyway that it negated the other star treks, for one they could still happen with minor adjustments; there is still going to be a Vulcan and knowing Vulcans they will just call the planet the same name as the other one. They were never a major race in the show (they didnt have an empire nor did they have influence many episodes). So the vulcans being gone isnt that major of a deal.

Kirks dad being dead not a big deal as he was never a major character (not even sure he made an appearance in the original series).

In fact the only thing the show did was allow them to make an origin story for Kirk and Spock and company without having to worry about making every fan boy cry havok let loose the dogs of war because they got one fact wrong. Two they already stated its an alt reality so the little fan boys still have their reality due to the fact that the reality they whack off too must occur in order for the alt. to be created. And There and final it was a damn good show which is about time because frankly after Deep Space Nine I all but abandoned the hope that a decent film or series would come out again.

I loved the film and I don’t see in anyway that it negated the other star treks, for one they could still happen with minor adjustments; there is still going to be a Vulcan and knowing Vulcans they will just call the planet the same name as the other one. They were never a major race in the show (they didnt have an empire nor did they have influence many episodes). So the vulcans being gone isnt that major of a deal.

Kirks dad being dead not a big deal as he was never a major character (not even sure he made an appearance in the original series).

In fact the only thing the show did was allow them to make an origin story for Kirk and Spock and company without having to worry about making every fan boy cry havok let loose the dogs of war because they got one fact wrong. Two they already stated its an alt reality so the little fan boys still have their reality due to the fact that the reality they whack off too must occur in order for the alt. to be created. And There and final it was a damn good show which is about time because frankly after Deep Space Nine I all but abandoned the hope that a decent film or series would come out again.

When will you post the second Chicago vlog? (yes I cheated and checked out your blip-account) ;P

the reason why the Narada was all dark and green was because befor they went into the black hole (it’s not in the Romulan home system just near it) they went to a near by military research staion the was reverse engineering Borg weapons and other systems and grafted them on, which is also the reason why a mining ship can take on 40 Klingon warships

I’m also just guessing that they did blew up the sun that was going to go supernova, the writers must have though it was a no brainer and didn’t put it in.

and like others said, yeah it’s an alternet uniserve so there are two main ones, “Prime” the old one, and this new one.

the reason why the Narada was all dark and green was because befor they went into the black hole (it’s not in the Romulan home system just near it) they went to a near by military research staion the was reverse engineering Borg weapons and other systems and grafted them on, which is also the reason why a mining ship can take on 40 Klingon warships

I’m also just guessing that they did blew up the sun that was going to go supernova, the writers must have though it was a no brainer and didn’t put it in.

and like others said, yeah it’s an alternet uniserve so there are two main ones, “Prime” the old one, and this new one.

Oh forgot, form what I’ve heard Roddenberry wanted Spock and Uhura but wasn’t allowed to

Was the Enterprise even the Flagship in this movie? Pike referred to it as a “new” ship…but even if Kirk’s ascendance to the throne was pretty weak, I really don’t think it was considered the “Flagship” upon it’s launch. I think you’ve got the future’s future confused with this new movie (cause yeah it IS the Flagship in the 24th century). Yeah I know, a silly nitpick.

To be honest though I liked the new movie. Before it came out I knew personally I’d never consider it “canon” so I wasn’t too worried about it ‘undoing’ Trek because even if it was just a straight up “retelling” of Trek in that things were different without the Time Travel devise, the technology is obviously too advanced looking to be considered “canon”. Plus that aside the whole Time Travel thing was done basically so they can go anywhere with the future movies and surprise audiences. As a Star Trek fan we can consider this an alternative universe and we have this along with the Original Series…..it’s just another view on a similar theme….that atleast has a reason to be different.

But that aside, I think it was a pretty great love letter to the Original Series characters. I hope if anything, the movie compels people to search out The Original Series (TOS) and movies to see where the inspirations come from. Also, while I thought the guy who played Chekov kind of laid it on pretty thick which couldn’t be helped, Karl Urban did an awesome characterization of Dr. McCoy. It was eerie because it was that damn good Spoony…and you know I ain’t just quoting Triple H here! Scotty now has an authentic Scottish accent! We see Kirk’s cheating the Kobayashi Maru…all good stuff.

oh and one more thing…..you think Star Trek fans were bad after this movie? Clearly you’ve never been to the “Star Wars (1977)” IMDb board! Where the topic of the day changes on a dime from Han Solo’s motivations on waiting for Greedo to shoot to Hayden Christensen’s 5 second cameo that totally ruins an entire movie…nevermind the moment he’s apart of.

Was the Enterprise even the Flagship in this movie? Pike referred to it as a “new” ship…but even if Kirk’s ascendance to the throne was pretty weak, I really don’t think it was considered the “Flagship” upon it’s launch. I think you’ve got the future’s future confused with this new movie (cause yeah it IS the Flagship in the 24th century). Yeah I know, a silly nitpick.

To be honest though I liked the new movie. Before it came out I knew personally I’d never consider it “canon” so I wasn’t too worried about it ‘undoing’ Trek because even if it was just a straight up “retelling” of Trek in that things were different without the Time Travel devise, the technology is obviously too advanced looking to be considered “canon”. Plus that aside the whole Time Travel thing was done basically so they can go anywhere with the future movies and surprise audiences. As a Star Trek fan we can consider this an alternative universe and we have this along with the Original Series…..it’s just another view on a similar theme….that atleast has a reason to be different.

But that aside, I think it was a pretty great love letter to the Original Series characters. I hope if anything, the movie compels people to search out The Original Series (TOS) and movies to see where the inspirations come from. Also, while I thought the guy who played Chekov kind of laid it on pretty thick which couldn’t be helped, Karl Urban did an awesome characterization of Dr. McCoy. It was eerie because it was that damn good Spoony…and you know I ain’t just quoting Triple H here! Scotty now has an authentic Scottish accent! We see Kirk’s cheating the Kobayashi Maru…all good stuff.

oh and one more thing…..you think Star Trek fans were bad after this movie? Clearly you’ve never been to the “Star Wars (1977)” IMDb board! Where the topic of the day changes on a dime from Han Solo’s motivations on waiting for Greedo to shoot to Hayden Christensen’s 5 second cameo that totally ruins an entire movie…nevermind the moment he’s apart of.

To comment #147 about Rodenbury (sp?) wanting to do Spock and Uhura, it’s possible.

Everyone keep in mind the time that Star Trek initially came out. Black and white races didn’t really mix on screen beyond being in the same scene, ya know?

Hell, it was AMAZING and GROUND BREAKING when Kirk and Uhura kissed in the original series once. I don’t remember much about the episode, but they only got away with THAT in that day and age because of a couple reasons:
-Kirk was being controlled in some way, thus it wasn’t his choice
-it was one of those kisses that they never actually kissed, he just took her head and brought her to the side and all the camera guy was the back of his head, so the actor and actress never had to kiss.

So it doesn’t shock me that the original creator wasn’t allowed to, because Uhura was black and Spock was, effectively, white, and in that time, those two just didn’t mix without major societal repercussions.

You didn’t like The Undiscovered Country? Damn, It’s the best one imo. As McCoy is my all-time favourite, I’m glad he was done right. It helps that Karl Urban is the only Trekkie in the cast. As for Nero just sitting around waiting for 25 years, Nero was kidnapped and held by Klingons for the whole time, but the scenes were cut for some reason. And yeah, Highlander 2 & 3 sucked.

You didn’t like The Undiscovered Country? Damn, It’s the best one imo. As McCoy is my all-time favourite, I’m glad he was done right. It helps that Karl Urban is the only Trekkie in the cast. As for Nero just sitting around waiting for 25 years, Nero was kidnapped and held by Klingons for the whole time, but the scenes were cut for some reason. And yeah, Highlander 2 & 3 sucked.

Yeah….I forgot about that…The Undiscovered Country is a pretty damn good Trek Movie. It also has one of the hammiest scenes in Trek History (Kirk vs. Kirk, you know what I’m talking about) but as far as a movie goes…not only is it a good movie based upon the parallels of the end of the Cold War….it was a movie that was important to Trek history as well. I dunno man, when you consider that “The Final Frontier” exists…there’s no way that The Undiscovered Country could suck that bad. Besides it reunites the winning combination of Nicholas Meyer and Star Trek….always a proven winning formula for atleast the TOS cast movies.

let me nitpick 2 things
no mater how much wish full thinking you have the kid still says “james syberius kirk”
the enterprise interiors are poorly lighted and un reconizable, plus they are mostly made of concrete!!!!
yeh seems to have been filmed in an abandoned factory…. no blu screen available hey ????

“jim the water turbine warp core is overloading, where is it how do we get there”
“not now spock i’m trying to figure out where the hell we are”

the movie was a void … not bad … not good… not any thing

the alternate time line but this is why i really don’t like and will never like it

because it steals and put in the deep hollow of oblivion Gene Roddenberry’s Star Trek
and create the first instalment of JJ Abrams Star Trek, (a prequel my ass)

and JJ’s might, if we don’t do anything, be the only star trek future generations will aknowlege, do you whant to let that happen

so yeh all in all not a bad action movie , but i could of called ot the “5th element 2″, or “3001 the space opera”

and any way how do we pass from a paranoid race with light green skin, to a white guy who is a maori warior wanabee, who ate a realy bad sushi?

let me nitpick 2 things
no mater how much wish full thinking you have the kid still says “james syberius kirk”
the enterprise interiors are poorly lighted and un reconizable, plus they are mostly made of concrete!!!!
yeh seems to have been filmed in an abandoned factory…. no blu screen available hey ????

“jim the water turbine warp core is overloading, where is it how do we get there”
“not now spock i’m trying to figure out where the hell we are”

the movie was a void … not bad … not good… not any thing

the alternate time line but this is why i really don’t like and will never like it

because it steals and put in the deep hollow of oblivion Gene Roddenberry’s Star Trek
and create the first instalment of JJ Abrams Star Trek, (a prequel my ass)

and JJ’s might, if we don’t do anything, be the only star trek future generations will aknowlege, do you whant to let that happen

so yeh all in all not a bad action movie , but i could of called ot the “5th element 2″, or “3001 the space opera”

and any way how do we pass from a paranoid race with light green skin, to a white guy who is a maori warior wanabee, who ate a realy bad sushi?

Oh, God, I’m so horrified that I know all of this… But here goes. If someone has already explained it, I apologize.

Okay… The star that went supernova was not Romulus’ sun, but a star called Hobus, a few light years away from Romulus, inside Romulan Space. The star’s unique properties made it so that when it blew, any matter it consumed along the way accelerated its energy potential exponentially. It destroys a planet, the planet is absorbed into the shockwave, the shockwave gets bigger and faster, even going at warp eventually. This thing will eventually consume the entire galactic region around Romulus (including Vulcan and Earth, natch). Spock, by this point (2387), the Federation ambassador to the Romulan Star Empire (thanks to “Unification” in 2368 and “Star Trek: Nemesis” in 2379), sees it for what it is, and tries to warn the Romulan Senate. They refuse to believe him, suggesting that his demand they evacuate Romulus and Remus is part of some plot by the Federation to weaken the Empire. He goes to the Vulcan High Command for help, they also rebuff hi, since Vulcan is not in danger, they believe. He allies with Nero, a charismatic young Romulan miner who can help him find the mineral he needs to make red matter.

To make a long story short, FINALLY, the Vulcans see the problem, and comission the Jellyfish (the little ship Spock flies), designed by Geordi LaForge. Meanwhile, the Narada is equipped with salvaged Borg technology to allow it to extract the necessary mineral faster (which also makes the ship able to regenerate and generate weapons out of almost nothing). But it’s too late. Hobus explodes, and Romulus is destroyed soon after, along with Nero’s wife. He sees it in person, and promptly goes completely batshit insane. He blames the Vulcans and the Federation for not responding in time, and Spock becomes his White Wale. The flashback in the movie explains the rest. Nero ends up in 2233, Spock in 2258.

OH MY GOD, I am a freaking NERD….

Anyway…. Long time lurker, Spoony. I love love love your site.

He probably meant The Final Frontier when he said The Undiscovered Country, people mix them up all the time, and Final Frontier was clearly the bad one.

He probably meant The Final Frontier when he said The Undiscovered Country, people mix them up all the time, and Final Frontier was clearly the bad one.

- I think he was going to collapse a ‘nearby’ star, which would ‘somehow’ stop the Romulus star from exploding. SCIENCE!
- They had 125′ish years to wait. Maybe he planned on warning them after he got Spok back
- Kirk is just that good
- Romulans are all adrenaline junkies
- And they’re green emos
- SABOTAGE!
- All the time? … I count 2 fights, and 1 kiss
- Nero was the king Emo

LENS FLARE FTW!!!

e altar has got it right. To add, Nero chose to stay and wait for Sock for two real reasons. First, he had no good way to know when he would appear, only where. This meant to guarantee his capture he had to stay put. Also, because he blamed Spock and Spock alone, and in his mind the Romulus he called home no longer existed (this is mentioned in the dialogue with Pike, Pike asks him why not go back home and Nero responds by yelling he has no home and that he watched it die”. As to why much of the back story is cut from the movie, such as Borg tech and such, the most likely cause is time. The movie was over two hours and most likely it was decided to keep it around that mark. The last comment is that according to Memory Alpha: a Star Trek Wiki the cannon is still cannon. Essentially, both versions of Trek are true, existing side by side as parallels. So all Trek we know and love is still true, while this movie allows for a re-telling for modern cinema without harming the old versions.

e altar has got it right. To add, Nero chose to stay and wait for Sock for two real reasons. First, he had no good way to know when he would appear, only where. This meant to guarantee his capture he had to stay put. Also, because he blamed Spock and Spock alone, and in his mind the Romulus he called home no longer existed (this is mentioned in the dialogue with Pike, Pike asks him why not go back home and Nero responds by yelling he has no home and that he watched it die”. As to why much of the back story is cut from the movie, such as Borg tech and such, the most likely cause is time. The movie was over two hours and most likely it was decided to keep it around that mark. The last comment is that according to Memory Alpha: a Star Trek Wiki the cannon is still cannon. Essentially, both versions of Trek are true, existing side by side as parallels. So all Trek we know and love is still true, while this movie allows for a re-telling for modern cinema without harming the old versions.

I agree with you. I enjoyed TNG, but I could never really get into DS9, Voyager, or Enterprise. Regardless, I thought that this movie was awesome, even if it was flawed.

lol I liked Spoony’s idea there with just going into a drinking fit and forgetting the sequels or the prequels. Highlander 2 never happened. Jar Jar Binks was a sick joke lol

lol I liked Spoony’s idea there with just going into a drinking fit and forgetting the sequels or the prequels. Highlander 2 never happened. Jar Jar Binks was a sick joke lol

The original Star Trek series was done a shoe string budget. They have an exhibit going around the states right now which is super awesome! Original set of the bridge is there! It’s all wood and paint. The blinking nods are just like colorful bright knobs and everything is cheesy, like you say. But they didn’t have much to work with. The costumes are made out of polyester fabrics that were really new for the time period, are fraying and well used. It was different for its time period. What’s cool about the new movie is how they were able to update. Pretty amusing that Tyler Perry and Winona Rider are in it. I agree with you on Deep Space Nine, boring. I liked the bit about Archer’s dog being beamed somewhere. So great.

Your movie reviews are sick.. keep up the good work spoon

Your movie reviews are sick.. keep up the good work spoon

in ye old days they may not have a lot to work with but they still made it kick ass and exiting

and i’m sorry no matter how much you try to explain how the plot makes sens it is still bull shit

and anyway if you have to explain, that just means that they can’t write fo shit

It goes without saying that I am not “e altar”! User names are below the posts, not above them. Anywhoo, speaking of e altar, I’m gonna have to disagree with you there. The minute details I just described are pretty much inconsequential. 95% of the audience will accept Spock’s abbreviated version of events without question. Most normal movie viewers aren’t going to get worked up over that sort of detail (such as why a mining ship is so heavily armed), and just enjoy the film. It’s only bad if you have to explain KEY ELEMENTS of a film’s plot. The political situation in the Romulan Empire circa 2387 is only key to ubernerds like me. The actual plot of the movie is pretty damned easy to understand.

Don’t get me wrong, I love the Original Series (and nearly everything that followed), but to just straight up remake a ’60s series mostly about Cold War parables in the modern movie environment without any concessions to current tastes and design thinking is a sure fire way to bore the living hell out of 99% of the movie going public.

And honestly, have you actually WATCHED some of TOS recently? “Kick ass and exciting”? Really? “Charlie X”? “The Way to Eden”? “Patterns of Force”? REALLY?

It goes without saying that I am not “e altar”! User names are below the posts, not above them. Anywhoo, speaking of e altar, I’m gonna have to disagree with you there. The minute details I just described are pretty much inconsequential. 95% of the audience will accept Spock’s abbreviated version of events without question. Most normal movie viewers aren’t going to get worked up over that sort of detail (such as why a mining ship is so heavily armed), and just enjoy the film. It’s only bad if you have to explain KEY ELEMENTS of a film’s plot. The political situation in the Romulan Empire circa 2387 is only key to ubernerds like me. The actual plot of the movie is pretty damned easy to understand.

Don’t get me wrong, I love the Original Series (and nearly everything that followed), but to just straight up remake a ’60s series mostly about Cold War parables in the modern movie environment without any concessions to current tastes and design thinking is a sure fire way to bore the living hell out of 99% of the movie going public.

And honestly, have you actually WATCHED some of TOS recently? “Kick ass and exciting”? Really? “Charlie X”? “The Way to Eden”? “Patterns of Force”? REALLY?

Totally agree with most of your points.
I think with the Time Travel police (I was wondering this in the theaters as well), the singularity and actual traveling of Nero’s ship to the past happened all too quickly for them to react…if that makes sense. So the very second his ship was in the past, the entirety of the original timeline’s “time police” were gone, and any of the new ones would have viewed that event as…well, part of history.
The whole concept in both the DS9 and Voyager episodes was never very clear how they operated with the “time stream”.
Still an awesome movie and great for a “reboot”. It’s really as simple as saying “different universe/timeline” if you have to be placated. Hell, that’s what everyone does with comics/the Transformers series as a whole.

stop touching your nose! use a tissue, if you have booger issues.

Well, the Star Trek Universe is a Multiverse now. Has been for a while, really. This is the 57th timeline created by incursions that I’m aware of, to say nothing of the 285,000+ alternate realities that converged in the TNG episode “Parallels.” Hell, if Marvel can actually be bothered to designate the freaking X-Men movies as their own timeline (Earth 10006, if you’re wondering), then why not Trek?

As for the “timecops,” there was an agency that kept track of time travel in the 24th Century, but no actual time police until at least the 27th Century. Then there was Daniels’ faction from the 31st Century. People have been bitching, “oh, they always freak out about changing things back! Why not this time, with 6,000,000,000 dead Vulcans?” Except that they don’t. In “Carpenter Street” (ENT), Daniels clearly tells Archer that the Xindi Crisis was NOT part of the original timeline, but makes no effort to correct that, despite the 1,000,000 dead Humans in Florida, Cuba and Venezuela. What’s more, the whole Battle of Procyon that Daniels shows Archer in 2550 seems to occur in a future that Archer erases by destroying the Sphere network in 2154. Why bother explaining it? The rules of time travel in Trek change depending on the needs of the story, really. Obviously, there’s things at work here that involve divergent timelines and sawtooth snaps and other oblique temporal causality concepts. That’s when I stop caring. I just accept that it is different in this timeline, and that the other timeline is still there, somwhere in the Multiverse.

Bottom line? Fun spaceship go zoom. Yay.

Well, the Star Trek Universe is a Multiverse now. Has been for a while, really. This is the 57th timeline created by incursions that I’m aware of, to say nothing of the 285,000+ alternate realities that converged in the TNG episode “Parallels.” Hell, if Marvel can actually be bothered to designate the freaking X-Men movies as their own timeline (Earth 10006, if you’re wondering), then why not Trek?

As for the “timecops,” there was an agency that kept track of time travel in the 24th Century, but no actual time police until at least the 27th Century. Then there was Daniels’ faction from the 31st Century. People have been bitching, “oh, they always freak out about changing things back! Why not this time, with 6,000,000,000 dead Vulcans?” Except that they don’t. In “Carpenter Street” (ENT), Daniels clearly tells Archer that the Xindi Crisis was NOT part of the original timeline, but makes no effort to correct that, despite the 1,000,000 dead Humans in Florida, Cuba and Venezuela. What’s more, the whole Battle of Procyon that Daniels shows Archer in 2550 seems to occur in a future that Archer erases by destroying the Sphere network in 2154. Why bother explaining it? The rules of time travel in Trek change depending on the needs of the story, really. Obviously, there’s things at work here that involve divergent timelines and sawtooth snaps and other oblique temporal causality concepts. That’s when I stop caring. I just accept that it is different in this timeline, and that the other timeline is still there, somwhere in the Multiverse.

Bottom line? Fun spaceship go zoom. Yay.

the old movies always played with questions of science, ideals or philosophy (search for god; revange on the klingons after killing kirks son; rescuing endangered species etc)
this new one is just loud with thousends of special effects and not much more to it (okay there actors are suprisingly good)
the plot was just terrible… so many things wrong wass he drinking while reading the script and not noticing them?
yeah lets make some random cadet captain instead of one of the other senior officers? and many many more it just didnt make sense whatsoever

anyway horrible movie rescued only by a very good cast and tons of money used on special effects

I just recently saw the Star Trek movie, and I enjoyed it, even though I’m not really a Star Trek fan at all.
However Spoony, when you brought up Spock’s out of character moments with him having rage moments “all the time,” I only counted two times where he raged out.

I just recently saw the Star Trek movie, and I enjoyed it, even though I’m not really a Star Trek fan at all.
However Spoony, when you brought up Spock’s out of character moments with him having rage moments “all the time,” I only counted two times where he raged out.

The thing about Vulcan is that it never really featured in the main Star Trek world. At least not in any of the shows. That was one of the reasons they had that hole thing in Enterprise, was so they could go and have some interesting stuff happen on Vulcan. I mean, it’s talked about and you see Volcans around but you hardly ever see it. I’m not sure but I think it’s becouse Trek seem to focus on exploration and venturing into the unknown. While Vulcan and Earth seem to be in the stable center of the Star Trek world.

That said though, I was kind of bumed.

About Nero, maybe he just wasn’t that imaginative?

Hmmm…. wasn’t Kirk and all the rest almost finished there training at the academy. Also, weren’t they trained in tactics and what not?

Maybe the Romulans take there design ques from the Galactic Empire. XD

I have to say that I liked this movie. Though I’m in a strange middle ground where I have watched and enjoyed all the movies and TV shows, even though I didn’t really like DS9 that much, but I can still admit that the shows were cheesy and that the reason the Klingons looked the way they do in the original show is becouse it was the 60′s and they didn’t have the budget to do anything else. I loved them all and I hope that this movie spawns a new show.

I must say that I really like the reimagining of Star Trek and I’m looking forward to sequels.
But the thing I hated most, although it’s kind of ridiculous, was that I couldn’t come over this stupid idea of a black hole that does both:
Compacting things AND acting as some kind of portal.
Get it straight. Either you go with SCIENCE or you don’t, which is both OK with me, but don’t do both together. It makes everything even more stupid.
Also the lens-flares really got out of hand, but that’s really all there is to complain. Nitpicking on the other hand is ALWAYS possible, but I won’t do that, because I was entertained and that’s what counts, right?

I must say that I really like the reimagining of Star Trek and I’m looking forward to sequels.
But the thing I hated most, although it’s kind of ridiculous, was that I couldn’t come over this stupid idea of a black hole that does both:
Compacting things AND acting as some kind of portal.
Get it straight. Either you go with SCIENCE or you don’t, which is both OK with me, but don’t do both together. It makes everything even more stupid.
Also the lens-flares really got out of hand, but that’s really all there is to complain. Nitpicking on the other hand is ALWAYS possible, but I won’t do that, because I was entertained and that’s what counts, right?

Of the time thing…

-Here’s how I saw it…. I’m not sure that they just SAT there. I feel like they were doing other things and coming back to the black hole… but I may be mistaken. Because when he came through, weren’t they on their way back? The kelvin was on it’s way to see what had been created… the black hole had a strange anomaly. (which I think is a worm hole)

-Pike made Kirk first officer because he had faith in his father and faith in him, non? The whole bit about looking before he leaps. And he was in academy for three years so he was as trained as most cadets.

-I’m sure there was time to cross… and I’m sure there were ways to cross… THERE WAS NO TIME MAN!!! NO TIME!!

-The space ship? IDK… maybe Romulans like green light? :D

-I didn’t get the water…

-I liked that they used Sabotage… :D Classic music.

-I liked that their relationship was secondary… He was enraged because he was in conflict with himself. He does have control but sometimes.. I guess… he goes angry. Besides, can you blame him for hitting that piece of tail??! lol

All in all I loved the movie. I thought the acting was indeed well cast. Nero was strange.. but he did enough.
I walked out very happy… saw it twice in fact. I feel like they did a smart thing in making a separate time line. It doesn’t make the original time line any less important. In fact it still is important. The fact that the original Spock is there makes that so. I mean there’s still possibility for them to cross over into the original time line.

It was all good… I was happy. It had problems, sure, like you said, all movies do… but I thought this was a worthwhile effort on J.J’s part!

…..also I loved Voyager! :D I love the Borg… oh well. At any rate, I agree with most everything you said. Though I did LOVE the lens flair. HAHAHA Very art house. :P

I actually haven’t seen the movie because I can’t be bothered. I liked the original series…I liked Kirk fcuking that green chick…It’s retro-scifi…I like Doctor Who…I like Blake’s Seven…

This movie is an attempt to re-sell Trek….to boldly go tabula rasa for a franchise. And I can’t be bothered.

All I know is that Simon Pegg kicks ass…

I actually haven’t seen the movie because I can’t be bothered. I liked the original series…I liked Kirk fcuking that green chick…It’s retro-scifi…I like Doctor Who…I like Blake’s Seven…

This movie is an attempt to re-sell Trek….to boldly go tabula rasa for a franchise. And I can’t be bothered.

All I know is that Simon Pegg kicks ass…

Well,I don’t know if this has been said before, and frankly I don’t feel like looking through 17 pages of comments, but some of the stuff in the movie is explained. The Narada was originally a mining vessel, but it gets converted with Borg tech into some crazy super ship (don’t remember the details, it’s all explained in the countdown comics.) And they don’t just wait 25 years, apparently in a deleted scene it shows that the klingons show up after papa kirk slams the ship into the narada. Since the Narada is weakened and the crew isn’t quite all there after getting a space ship rammed down their throats, the klingons take over the crew and take them to some klingon prison or somethiing. That’s supposedly what happens, but the movie still had plot holes up the cloaca. I likd it regardless tho.

They used “Sabotage” as an inside joke because Shatner always mispronounced the word; the way he said it rhymed with jazz more.

They used “Sabotage” as an inside joke because Shatner always mispronounced the word; the way he said it rhymed with jazz more.

I skimmed through the prequel comic when I was at borders. apparerntly the sun which goes nova was very far away from romulus, but this nova was going to be one of those supermeganovas which would actually destroy the ENTIRE GALAXY. so making one black hole was an upside

Deep Space Nine did suck

Deep Space Nine did suck

Well lets see…

1. The star that was going supernova wasn’t Romulus’s home systems star it was a neighboring star.
2. After they meet the Kevin they were captured by Klingons and were put on the prison planet… (12 min scene cut from the movie)
3. Kirk was actually a lutenit(sp)… He was close to his last year in the academy and Pike trusted him.
4. The Narada…. was modified with borg tech. (kinda explains the large open spaces)
5. Spock was Half human….

(second time posting this cause not sure if it got through the first time….)

IMO DS9 after season 1 turned into my all time fav Star Trek.

I must take issue with what you said about The Undiscovered Country. I don’t hate you, but I must defend Star Trek 6. If the issue is about prejudice within Starfleet and the Federation, the director Nicholas Meyer said that he didn’t think that the T.V. series effectively demonstrated that Starfleet and the Federation were free from it. It’s either in the special features or on the audio commentary track on the Star Trek 6 DVD. I have to agree with his statement. Even The Next Generation has depictions of prejudice within Starfleet and the Federation. Well, if that’s not the problem, maybe you could elaborate on what you mean. The 6th Trek movie is my personal favorite, so you can understand why I would want to debate about it and defend it.

I do look forward to debating this, as well as your review of Street Fighter 2010: The Final Fight, which in Japan wasn’t even a Street Fighter game, nor did it star Ken, and it wasn’t even a Final Fight game, either! I once owned that piece of crap of a game! lol! :)

I must take issue with what you said about The Undiscovered Country. I don’t hate you, but I must defend Star Trek 6. If the issue is about prejudice within Starfleet and the Federation, the director Nicholas Meyer said that he didn’t think that the T.V. series effectively demonstrated that Starfleet and the Federation were free from it. It’s either in the special features or on the audio commentary track on the Star Trek 6 DVD. I have to agree with his statement. Even The Next Generation has depictions of prejudice within Starfleet and the Federation. Well, if that’s not the problem, maybe you could elaborate on what you mean. The 6th Trek movie is my personal favorite, so you can understand why I would want to debate about it and defend it.

I do look forward to debating this, as well as your review of Street Fighter 2010: The Final Fight, which in Japan wasn’t even a Street Fighter game, nor did it star Ken, and it wasn’t even a Final Fight game, either! I once owned that piece of crap of a game! lol! :)

My beef with the movie is that it didn’t seem like there was any reason to call it Star Trek. It didn’t really embrace any of the Star Trek values, didn’t stay true to most of the original characters, and broke from a lot of the cinematic traditions.

It really stood out to me in the end when Kirk and Spock seemed to take glee in blasting the “Romulan” ship as it went through the black hole. Star Trek heroes are supposed to fairly noble – I can’t recall another moment where they uncontroversially took pleasure in killing helpless enemies.

I put Romulan in quotes because, like with everything else, there was no reason for these guys to be Romulans. They didn’t look like Romulans, or have any particularly Romulan characteristics or backgrounds. They could have just as easily been Randomoids avenging the destruction of Planet Random.

If you’re going to completely rewrite Star Trek, just write your own story in your own universe, or at least write an original story in the Star Trek universe without Kirk et al. I know this movie only got the budget it did because of the Star Trek brand, but I wish they had spent the money to instead create a new franchise. All the time spent on the “backstories” was boring, and especially irrelevant since it doesn’t even apply to the “real” continuity.

One of the annoying things about a prequel, even one set in an “alternate” timeline, is that you know how everything turns out. There is no real drama when Kirk and Sulu are hurtling to the ground, no surprise when Scotty goes from random-dude-on-the-Ice-Planet-Hoth to transporter engineer, no excitement when Kirk joins the Academy after a stern talking-to. In fact, it just makes all the backstories – about how this bunch of kids “happened” to meet up and become the Enterprise crew – seem even more contrived. That’s one of the main reasons this movie would have been better if it wasn’t a Star Trek TOS prequel. Even with the “alternate timeline” angle, they pretty much made sure not to do anything to disrupt the basic continuity. Kirk’s dad and the planet Vulcan were not exactly central to the storyline.

The cast had too many distractions. Simon Pegg and John Cho are too well known to replace major, established characters. Tyler Perry is too well known to have a significant role in anything but his own films without being a distraction. Winona Ryder was distracting and completely unnecessary. I don’t watch Heroes, but at least the Spock actor had enough make-up and costume to make his presence less obvious. Nimoy’s appearance was great, but it only drew more attention to the ineffectiveness of the rest of the cast. The only actor I unequivocally liked was the guy who played McCoy. He seemed almost perfect for the part. The actress who played Uhura was great, but the character of Uhura in the movie was just bizarre. In all, the cast comes up as a big minus.

All that said, I enjoyed the movie. It seemed like it had the potential to be great, but was held back by the need to be ostensibly “Star Trek”. It all goes back to the failure of “Enterprise”. They took a niche product and tried to sex it up and make it “hip” to have broad appeal to a younger audience. It was too “Trek” for most people, and not “Trek” enough for fans. This movie is not really “Trek” at all, but it’s enjoyable for young moviegoers. I think that a lot of the Trekkie rage comes from the feeling of being baited and switched, and fear that this “Testosterone Trek” will erase any hope of a continuation of “Traditional Trek”.

I loved it and I’m a TOS fan.

Reboot was Reboot and it was good. *nods*

I loved it and I’m a TOS fan.

Reboot was Reboot and it was good. *nods*

thanks for wasting my time with a sanctimonious rant against nerds instead of….you know, reviewing the fucking movie.

No wonder you cant keep a job, you never get to the point.

And penultimate means second to last, it is not a synonym for ultimate.

I agree with most of what you said, though I’m having trouble not being a bit enraged over this movie. For one, they just couldn’t find anything else better for Nero to do than use those “truth bugs”. As I recall, they also did that in wrath of khan, so it’s not exactly original. Anyway, as I see it Romulans aren’t exactly “Evil”, in the star trek episodes. They’re a different culture, with different political views, and different ethics. None of that says: “You must build really awe-inspiring mining vessels and fit them with huge fucking torpedoes!”. It’s a mining vessel!

Anyway, I didn’t like the movie that much. Not because it was “ruining every other startrek episode I’d ever watched”, it’s just because I found it horrible. It was far too hyped up, and it was mainly focused around flashy effects.

JJ Abrams probably wanted to prove himself after Lost, and I understand that. I would’ve changed my ID and moved to Thailand if I was him, though. Not make the rest of the world pay him money to see his “Really cool special effects”. It’s Star Trek. It’s tradition to have it look a little shitty.

And yeah, another thing. IF I remember correctly, the black hole which threw Nero and Spock through time, also threw them away from Romulus, because the USS Kelvin would obviously not be passing into Romulan space.. At least it kinda seemed that way when I saw it.

Good rant, though. Keep it up.

I agree with most of what you said, though I’m having trouble not being a bit enraged over this movie. For one, they just couldn’t find anything else better for Nero to do than use those “truth bugs”. As I recall, they also did that in wrath of khan, so it’s not exactly original. Anyway, as I see it Romulans aren’t exactly “Evil”, in the star trek episodes. They’re a different culture, with different political views, and different ethics. None of that says: “You must build really awe-inspiring mining vessels and fit them with huge fucking torpedoes!”. It’s a mining vessel!

Anyway, I didn’t like the movie that much. Not because it was “ruining every other startrek episode I’d ever watched”, it’s just because I found it horrible. It was far too hyped up, and it was mainly focused around flashy effects.

JJ Abrams probably wanted to prove himself after Lost, and I understand that. I would’ve changed my ID and moved to Thailand if I was him, though. Not make the rest of the world pay him money to see his “Really cool special effects”. It’s Star Trek. It’s tradition to have it look a little shitty.

And yeah, another thing. IF I remember correctly, the black hole which threw Nero and Spock through time, also threw them away from Romulus, because the USS Kelvin would obviously not be passing into Romulan space.. At least it kinda seemed that way when I saw it.

Good rant, though. Keep it up.

huh where are people getting that it was Romulus’s star that was going Nova??? It wasn’t…..

As I pointed out in my previous comment on the last page it was a neighboring system’s star that was going hyper nova…

Yeah, I was going to say that too. A star going nova can easily present a threat for other nearby star systems.

And IIRC, they did bring up the question of Nero not warning Romulus in the film itself. And Nero give an answer, but I’ve forgotten it.

Yeah, I was going to say that too. A star going nova can easily present a threat for other nearby star systems.

And IIRC, they did bring up the question of Nero not warning Romulus in the film itself. And Nero give an answer, but I’ve forgotten it.

And just in case anyone is still confused…

http://www.startrekonline.com/startrek_xi

Why, yes, I don’t have anything better to do. …Actually, I just can’t sleep.

Fuery87 – “…they did bring up the question of Nero not warning Romulus in the film itself. And Nero give an answer, but I’ve forgotten it.”

Yup. Nero says he’s gonna save Romulus, in addition to wiping out the Federation. The line is something like, “I intend not only to prevent the destruction of the home I love, but to free it from the Federation. Only then will Romulus truly be saved.” They just dwelt on the whole “revenge against the Federation” aspect rather than the “saving Romulus” deal, ’cause Nero’s meant to be bitter and twisted, so seeing him nobly protect his world from future disaster would’ve been jarring and boring.

There’re quite a few commonly-cited ‘plot holes’ for this movie, but most of them are actually covered in the script, or by some fairly straightforward conjecture.

Fuery87 – “…they did bring up the question of Nero not warning Romulus in the film itself. And Nero give an answer, but I’ve forgotten it.”

Yup. Nero says he’s gonna save Romulus, in addition to wiping out the Federation. The line is something like, “I intend not only to prevent the destruction of the home I love, but to free it from the Federation. Only then will Romulus truly be saved.” They just dwelt on the whole “revenge against the Federation” aspect rather than the “saving Romulus” deal, ’cause Nero’s meant to be bitter and twisted, so seeing him nobly protect his world from future disaster would’ve been jarring and boring.

There’re quite a few commonly-cited ‘plot holes’ for this movie, but most of them are actually covered in the script, or by some fairly straightforward conjecture.

Oh please, what kind of spoilers can you drop on us? We all know that James Kurk becomes the Captain of the Enterprise.
*Spoony tells spoilers*
HOLY FUCKING SHIT!

As for the “selective amnesia,” I find that it works very well. I go as far as to use this tactic to remember only the scenes of the Star Wars prequel trilogy that I liked. …Namely the action scenes and any scene that gave some insight on the Star Wars universe. ;)

What you need to stop time paradoxis is Doctor Who, he’d sort that shit out, send back Nero and Spock, seal the rift and even bring back Rumulus for good measure!

Yes I admit Doctor Who sucks and I’m Brittish, but hell it’s enjoyable.

I have no problem with the whole “new timeline” thing. I agree with Spoony that the acting was pretty good for the most part and it was enjoyable as a big, stupid action movie.

However, I just think this movie’s plot and script weren’t very good on their own merit. Mainly, I’m with Spoony in that Kirk’s promotion from cadet to Captain was ridiculous and most of the other problems he mentions.

I also agree with Spoony that Voyager was crap. I know there’s Janeway fanatics out there, so I won’t go into detail for risk of incurring their wrath. DS9 did get much better after Worf came aboard. You could probably just start watching from season four and it’d be all good. Enterprise, uh, well the pilot was decent, but season one and two felt like Voyager part 2 to me. The third season was a bit better, I think the arc gave it a little bit of focus. Season four was a HUGE step up. If only it was like that from the beginning, it might have gone the full seven seasons.

TOS and Doctor Who (I assume Spoony is talking about TOS of Dr. Who and not the new series, which is pretty good, but divides some fans almost as much as the new Trek) were “bad” in the sense that their special effects and acting both could be extremely cheesy, but you’ve got to take into account the era in which they were made. Also, the writing was pretty good most of the time, which is what sold it. It wasn’t a CGI fest with a plot tacked on as an excuse to make it.

I can agree the original Doctor Who Series Was A Bit Shit But I Still Watch It. As For The The New Series Thats Not That Bad Not The Christopher Ecclston That Was Shit But The David Tennant Series 1-4 And The 4 Specials Are Great. I Think The Next Doctor Matt Smith Is Going To Suck The Big One And Put The Series To Shame

I can agree the original Doctor Who Series Was A Bit Shit But I Still Watch It. As For The The New Series Thats Not That Bad Not The Christopher Ecclston That Was Shit But The David Tennant Series 1-4 And The 4 Specials Are Great. I Think The Next Doctor Matt Smith Is Going To Suck The Big One And Put The Series To Shame

And I Totaly Agree With RobberBaron

What people need to remember is the “Back to the Future” style of time travel.

The original series hasn’t been erased from history forever, it’s just become an alternate dimension.

What people need to remember is the “Back to the Future” style of time travel.

The original series hasn’t been erased from history forever, it’s just become an alternate dimension.

Did you mean to say Star Trek V, the Final Frontier? Star Trek VI was pretty ok! Plus, Red Foreman playing the prez of the federation!! now that’s aw3some!!!

Oh, and when the hell did Romulans start being bald Mike-Tyson-face-tattoo-having miners? The villain in this new movie was a freakin’ joke! I also thought all the spontaeous love interests were horribly contrived… Although I gotta admit, seeing GIGANTIC green cleavage on the silver screen was ALMOST worth the ticket price… (ellipses ellipses [ hehe])

I actually counted around 600 shots that had lens flare, with about 80 before the title screen.

I actually counted around 600 shots that had lens flare, with about 80 before the title screen.

I’ll just start my little comment here by saying that I love your site. Fun stuff. Just started watching and reading through alot of things, and just now came across this. Now, I don’t know if this has been addressed yet, I’m not one for reading all the comments. But, the reason we can’t let this movie go is because…THEY WON’T FUCKING LET US!!!
…(deep breath)…

Sorry for that. Anyway, this will now be the canon for which all future Star Trek. The studios are just going to give the big “fuck off” to anyone who doesn’t like it.

This future is a dark one my Lord Spoony. I can see no light beyond it. My nightmares are now filled with a dreaded image. The great Jean-luc Picard, if this future not averted, shall be portrayed by (chokes back vomit) Matt Damon! Fear this horrid future! Fear and hide from it!

I think the black girl had a great ass.

I think the black girl had a great ass.

I never liked star trek….I’m sorry but all of the tv series, and the bulk of the movies were just shit. But I did like this movie. It was like for the first time the star trek franchise was okay with acutally having some action built into it. At least someone fired a laser once before it got kicked out of thier hands. And that alternate time line plot, was pretty good. Why would Abrams bother making the same star trek origin that we all know exists, Further more why would anyone want that? You’ve watched star trek, did you just want to watch it agian with now that good cinematography exists. I mean It’s not like any hardcore star trek fans out there will admit to the orginal story having some flaws, so i guess you all just wanted to see a revamped version of what you already saw.

Give me a break, at least this movie did some justice to star trek. Have you seen what they’ve done to X-men, Fantastic 4, Dardevil….etc. I like to think I handled that pretty well by just not buying the movies after the first viewing, and refusing to watch them ever agian. But star trek at the very least was a good movie, even if you hated what it did to your precious franchise….which isn’t much by the way…..it was still a good movie. And who cares if they make a sequel. I’ll watch it, especially since it’s an alternate universe. I don’t want to see wrath of Kahn 2012.

Oh, man… I went to see this movie with my siblings on this day, and when we came back from the theater we found out that our Grandfather had died. D: That kinda scarred the memories of this movie for me.

The problem I had was with Nero's motivation for revenge. It wasn't as if Spock intentionally stalled so as to let Romulus get destroyed. He simply didn't make it in time!

The only Voyager episode you claim to have seen is called Threshold. Yes, it doesn't get any worse than that. The writer of that garbage (Brannon Braga) actually openly disowned that episode. I wouldn't say that Voyager isn't still crap, but you had some amazingly tough luck that you picked one episode to see, and you saw the absolutely worst one.

As far as I know, while that episode is never explicitly stated to be non-canon (unlike ST5: Final Frontier, which was declared non-canon by Roddenberry himself), anything happened in it (lizard babies, warp 10 etc.) is never to be mentioned again anywhere else, ever.

Thing is though….why is there any lens flare in the first place? Most film makers go to great lengths to avoid it, yet there were shots in this film on the bridge and there was lens flare obscuring the view. What could possibly be bright enough on the bridge to create a lens flare? It was ridiculous and stuck out like a sore thumb whenever it was used.

I quite enjoyed the flick, it wasn't Wrath of Khan standard, but it wasn't Star Trek V bad either.

As a comic fan I've always been fond of the Alternative/”What If” universes. I like the concept behind Ultimate even if the majority of the comics aren't above meh and i feel the one DECENT series has wasted some of the potential (I LIKED Peter and Kitty as a couple. It offered something DIFFERENT than de-aged Peter and villains with slightly altered origins!).

Anyway tangent aside, I'm indifferent on Trek. I'm neither a huge fan nor anti it. I remember watching some of Next Generation as a kid and liked what I saw, but never got into it enough to become a Trekkie. However I really enjoyed the film. I felt making a “Star Trek Earth-B” opened the door to some possibly great new ideas for plotlines, which I hope to see more of in the future.

As for the film itself, I agree a lot with the nitpicks you mentioned, and hadn't considered others until now. However I was still entertained. I loved the fact the crew came together because they could each offer a unique skill to the team and I felt the acting was good. I hope we'll see a sequal and more soon.

Imagine if that's how it worked, you go to your series dvd's and their all blank lol

With the way DRM is heading, it's certainly possible! (Self-erasing DVDs do exist, I believe one of them is called Divx (not the codec). )

Apparently there's a deleted scene that reveals Nero and his crew being prisoners on the Klingon planet Rura Penthe for 20 years, so they didn't just sit around doing nothing. However, this in no way improves upon Nero's image as a villain. He was the one thing I HATED about this movie. Otherwise I liked it, and I was never a big fan of the original series, just TNG.

Star Trek: The Next Generation was the only good Star Trek. Nerds generally don’t know what makes a good TV show.

This movie sucks as just a movie – get over it.

Okay, I generally find your reviews entertaining, and hey, everything is opinion, but the majority of the arguments you make here were hyperbolic. I don;t worship TOS at all, in fact, I really only like DS9. But really, that doesn't have that much to do with why I hate this movie. Does it bum me out that there probably is never going to be any Star Trek like DS9? Yeah, definitely. But it isn't about that. I could have even lived with a decent reboot, but this movie wasn't that. And don't fool yourself, this movie is entirely a reboot. They try to have it both ways with the time travel plot device, but really there's nothing in the movie that would be consistent with the old universe/franchise/whatever-you-want-to-call-it, from old Spock's end or from the Kelvin's end. Honestly the movie would have been much better had they never bothered with time travel or any pretense at all of connecting to the old franchise.

Honestly, I could probably write an essay on why this movie sucks, and to be fair, you even cover a lot of it in your review. Some of it also has to do with how bad this movie wants to be Star Wars, which includes things like the huge abysses on the huge spaceship. And at one point you brought up Nemesis, which is another movie I compare this new movie to. Now, you defend all this by saying, “it's Star Trek”, but to me, that should mean that it should be deeper in both the story and the characters, and while it's true that there are plenty of instances of stupidity in Star Trek, I've seen it at its best, and IMO, that should be what the franchise should strive for. If I want to see mindless sci-fi action, there are movies like Starship Troopers.

Anyway, I could go on a lot more about this subject, and in some ways I'd be happy to have a conversation about this with you, but I'm just going to stop typing and call it good for now.

I never liked Deep Space 9, so I have to agree with you there. If you didn't follow from the start, you were lost.

The coolest part is that this movie opened up a whole new future of possibilities for the series rather than having this be the re-imagined nostalgiafest that might have buried the franchise for good. The casting was brilliant (ESPECIALLY Carl Urban) and the effects were great. I'll still enjoy the original series and Next Generation, and sometimes I'll even love Voyager. I did love this movie, flaws and all. It could have been butchered much worse, and they salvaged a lot of what could have been ruined by another director or another studio.

Great review, Spoony. Way to call out the gaps and way to call out the panicked Trekkies. I've been raised on this wonderfully cheesy space quest and I'll love it for its success and its flaws. And I CAN say that the original series was the hammiest thing I've ever seen. That's what makes it all the more lovable.

I know this will seem like nitpicking but I couldn't let it go. When Kirk is shall we say banished Spock puts him in a pod and Kirk is rocketed to some awful ice planet, because all planets have only one biome right. (On a side it did seem un-Spock like but this is “OMFG I have no homeworld” Spock not the Orginal “Wise Old Guy” Spock, very suprising and dramatic though) So anyway Kirk being Kirk decides to leave said pod and is soon chased by some preadatory polar bear creature which is then eaten (destroyed w.e) by some giant insect creature. Let's ignore the fact that such a creature could never exist (except in an oxygen rich enviorment maybe) but focus its placement in this harsh cold ecosystem that could be compared to the barren wastes of the north pole. Go stick some ants in a freezer for an hour and see for yourself what happens.

It surprised me with how surprisingly enjoyable and face-poundingly annoying it was at the same time. The characters were caracatures, nero’s motivation was worse than no motive, some scenes (kiboshi miru) just didn’t work. As a cartoon cheesy action movie and a way of ERASING VOYAGER FROM EXISTENCE it succeeds. On a side note you must see voyager its so bad its hilarious – or just enjoy it via sfdebris riftrax-esque reviews.

 I don’t get it, the movies exist in an alternate universe to the original shows, whats the problem?  There has been alternate universes in Star Trek before, take the famous Mirror Universe.  The prequels didn’t even give us the alternate universe stuff to explain what they changed.

Also on the DvD they explained that they cut out the bit of business where Nero was imprisoned by Klingons for most of the time period, and only got out before the events of the movie.  Not that that explains how he got his ship back or what the Klingons did with his future ship, but there you go.

To me, Star Trek ended when the crew of the enterprise started erasing the memory of any member of a species that had yet to discover interplanetary travel that stumbled upon them.  That did not sit with me even when I was fourteen and it only got worse in retrospect.

I did not like Deep Space 9, but ironically I was named after Kira.

I hope Spoony means that Star Trek VI was the last GOOD trek movie.  I don’t know how anyone could say that Undiscovered Country was bad when Final Frontier came before it.

Voyager and Enterprise were fucked up (well voyager got better and that is why it got 7 seassons). DS9 however were awsome!

 Romullan MINING SHIP (WTF?!);
Fan’s point is – why make something that wounds up being ignored (and really it WILL be ignored like Enterprise).
 
 Nah ToS is not worshiped (not even by good writers of trek) – do look on DS9 (i would argue that it were great untill last seasson where writters got laizy and made it into some new age relligeous mess – you knwo same bullshit that hapend on BSG ReI) they offten just put ToS Message on its head AND IT WORKS because somehow they explore intents of ToS giving humanity mirror, just from diffrent perspective.
 ToS is great because it dared not to take itselve seriously, Hell they go to planets that are Earth’s past coppies, Alternative Earth’s history future (Aincent rome DID took over the world XD) i am suprised they did not went to planet full of undead.

My theory on why we are so pissed off is taht last two series (VOY, ENT) last two movies (Nemesis and thiss bullshit) sucked we just decided to draw the line HERE!

Ponn Farr – physicall need to fuck every 7 years.

Really Rodenbery did not do great trek epissodes, he DOSE know how to make universes tho.

Lizzard babies *facepalm* COME ON! you are ruining my absent memory.

we should call him Jar Jar Abrahams

I think you missed that this movie’s continuity is separate from all the other previous star trek rather than overwriting it;  it’s pretty clear within the movie that it is a parallel universe.