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	<title>Comments on: More things in Terminator Salvation that made no sense.  *SPOILERS*</title>
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		<title>By: teloculos</title>
		<link>http://spoonyexperiment.com/2009/05/24/more-things-in-terminator-salvation-that-made-no-sense/comment-page-2/#comment-41143</link>
		<dc:creator>teloculos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 05:04:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The future scenes in The Terminator were all shot at night.  In the film Kyle Reese explains to Sarah about the future when they are resting somewhere that&#039;s made of concrete (under a bridge?) after having escaped from the police station.
Kyle says &quot;You stay down by day, only go out at night. The HKs still have infra-red though so you&#039;ve got to be careful.&quot;
I&#039;m not sure how long nuclear winter would last, and I know these films weren&#039;t exactly aiming for scientific accuracy but I think it is unlikely a planet would still shrouded in nuclear winter after 30 years - assuming Judgement Day occured in 1997 - at least a planet with any kind of humn life left alive. Bacteria would be doing well to survive after something chucked that much crap into the sky.
So I think it was night in 1 &amp; 2 because of tactics. Then again, if the enemy have nightvision and you don&#039;t, wouldn&#039;t the day be a level playing field?
1 and 2 are classic sci-fi. 3 is Alien Resurrection. 4 is..would comparing it to Indiana Jones and the Crystal Skull be going to far?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The future scenes in The Terminator were all shot at night.  In the film Kyle Reese explains to Sarah about the future when they are resting somewhere that&#8217;s made of concrete (under a bridge?) after having escaped from the police station.<br />
Kyle says &#8220;You stay down by day, only go out at night. The HKs still have infra-red though so you&#8217;ve got to be careful.&#8221;<br />
I&#8217;m not sure how long nuclear winter would last, and I know these films weren&#8217;t exactly aiming for scientific accuracy but I think it is unlikely a planet would still shrouded in nuclear winter after 30 years &#8211; assuming Judgement Day occured in 1997 &#8211; at least a planet with any kind of humn life left alive. Bacteria would be doing well to survive after something chucked that much crap into the sky.<br />
So I think it was night in 1 &amp; 2 because of tactics. Then again, if the enemy have nightvision and you don&#8217;t, wouldn&#8217;t the day be a level playing field?<br />
1 and 2 are classic sci-fi. 3 is Alien Resurrection. 4 is..would comparing it to Indiana Jones and the Crystal Skull be going to far?</p>
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		<title>By: Hitmonchan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hitmonchan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 01:15:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>also, youre right spoony, it was very anticlimatic of McG&#039;s script of the terminators capturing reese but not killing him. i thought terminators prime targets were humans, especially if they are escaping from prison or resisting arrest</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>also, youre right spoony, it was very anticlimatic of McG&#8217;s script of the terminators capturing reese but not killing him. i thought terminators prime targets were humans, especially if they are escaping from prison or resisting arrest</p>
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		<title>By: Hitmonchan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hitmonchan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 01:10:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hmmm, i wonder what james cameron thinks about both rise of the machines and $alvation</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hmmm, i wonder what james cameron thinks about both rise of the machines and $alvation</p>
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		<title>By: duppy</title>
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		<dc:creator>duppy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 06:39:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure one of the neculear powercells in the terminators must have blown up while a terminator was being crushed and made a nuclear explosion on atleast one other occassion!

Nuclear explosions create EMP&#039;s which destroy electonics (and stop even cars from working) so i don&#039;t know how their helicopter is still flys.

I don&#039;t know John Conner is taken down my the nuke at the beginning when he&#039;s in the helicopter but this would make sense however in the skynet explosion they continue flying barley not even a mile away from the blast not even taking into account EMPs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure one of the neculear powercells in the terminators must have blown up while a terminator was being crushed and made a nuclear explosion on atleast one other occassion!</p>
<p>Nuclear explosions create EMP&#8217;s which destroy electonics (and stop even cars from working) so i don&#8217;t know how their helicopter is still flys.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know John Conner is taken down my the nuke at the beginning when he&#8217;s in the helicopter but this would make sense however in the skynet explosion they continue flying barley not even a mile away from the blast not even taking into account EMPs.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 00:44:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lol well about the arnold terminator being so unstoppable...

i do believe because the arnold = T-800 while the others were T-600s (as said by kyle reese ... [mmm yum reese] =] )
i just dont understand if skynet could make the t-800 why don&#039;t they do it so much earlier.. it sounds like the AI had to learn more calculations -.-&quot; shouldn&#039;t it have all the calculations if it was a machine and it was self aware?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lol well about the arnold terminator being so unstoppable&#8230;</p>
<p>i do believe because the arnold = T-800 while the others were T-600s (as said by kyle reese &#8230; [mmm yum reese] =] )<br />
i just dont understand if skynet could make the t-800 why don&#8217;t they do it so much earlier.. it sounds like the AI had to learn more calculations -.-&#8221; shouldn&#8217;t it have all the calculations if it was a machine and it was self aware?</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 04:44:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I liked Salvation, it wasn&#039;t as bad as 3 and if you paid attention it actually does make perfect sense, in fact I think i have a rebuttal for every comment listed here. If I am missing anything or even if you disagree with me, feel free to make corrections. 

 1. Skynet is guarded by exactly one terminator without a gun.

A. I assume you are referring to the Arnold terminator in skynet HQ. Skynet had a defense grid, but marcus shut it down when he entered the building. 

2. Despite the fact that it is demonstrated that terminators can be created to exactly replicate the appearance and voice of people they’ve captured to infiltrate or lure the Resistance into traps, Skynet chooses to keep Kyle Reese alive to lure John Connor into a trap.

A. Skynet did not know that Reese was Connor&#039;s father. They only knew that the resistance was looking for him therefore making the plot to use him as a hostage reasonably intelligent. Only the T-1000 and T-X can replicate appearances and they weren&#039;t invented yet.

3. Seriously, what possible reason could Skynet have for keeping Reese alive? Killing him ensures that John is never conceived. Even if you’re willing to argue the grandfather paradox here, you have to admit, it couldn’t fucking hurt.

A. Who says they weren&#039;t planning to kill him after they wasted John Connor?

4. Apparently, you can jump into the ocean from a helicopter and just swim down and enter a nuclear submarine without any kind of diving gear.

4. I got nothing for this one I agree it was pretty stupid

5. The resistance has the talent and technology to perform a heart transplant.

A. It could happen, they have doctors and not a whole lot of technology is really needed for a heart transplant, just surgical tools and expertise.

6. The enormous ten-story tall Harvester robots are capable of astounding feats of ambush. They’re big, but they can walk on tippy-toes.

They also moo.

A. The terminator in terminator 1 had overly exaggerated mechanical noises too because it makes it less human and therefore scarier. Also you mentioned in the video that the harvesters and human camps are nazi references which they are not. Watch Terminator 1 again, Kyle Reese specifically states that the terminators rounded up the humans &quot;into camps for orderly disposal&quot;.

7. Blair is willing to betray her entire race and everyone who was willing to fight and die with her for a robot she’s known for less than two days and is unquestionably some kind of trap created by Skynet.

Women are nuts man, nuff said!

8. Terminators have highly-unstable nuclear power cells which would be much more effective as weapons against the Resistance than robots with guns.

A. Says terminator 3, but seriously, that movie was dog shit. This one is more in tune with the original Cameron films and ignores T3 and so do I.

9. These power cells apparently weren’t in the terminators destroyed in the first two movies.

A. Right, and the technology of the terminators is coherent with the Cameron films.

10. John Connor is immune to radiation, because he’s usually within a few hundred yards of these nuclear explosions when they occur.

A. I honestly don&#039;t remember him being near any nuclear explosions but then, I only saw the movie once.

11. Skynet has no idea where the Resistance is, even though there’s a lake full of amphibious snake terminators in the lake two hundred yards outside their main base. Nor do these aquatic robots aid Skynet in any way to find the nuclear submarine serving as the Resistance HQ. In the ocean. The watery place you’d want your swimming robots to be.

Actually, Skynet did know where the base was, it destroyed the submarine near the end.

12. Wouldn’t it have been simpler to simply stuff Marcus full of explosives and program him to explode when he encounters John?

A. I guess, but you could make that same argument about ANY movie in history.

13. John is a war hero among the Resistance for teaching them how to fight the machines and exposing all of their weaknesses like, uh, shooting them a lot and running away.

A. This movie wasn&#039;t about John Connor, it was about Marcus who was a much more interesting character. It really doesn&#039;t say much about John becoming the resistance leader or anything either. 

This movie was definitely a fan service, but as a huge fan of the franchise I have to give kudos when a new director makes a solid entry to the series. This movie wasn&#039;t great but it was satisfactory. I think it actually played it safe a little too much but at least it was willing to move forward and not give us the same plot over again. If there ever is another Terminator by this director, I will be first in line to see it because I think the next one will be amazing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I liked Salvation, it wasn&#8217;t as bad as 3 and if you paid attention it actually does make perfect sense, in fact I think i have a rebuttal for every comment listed here. If I am missing anything or even if you disagree with me, feel free to make corrections. </p>
<p> 1. Skynet is guarded by exactly one terminator without a gun.</p>
<p>A. I assume you are referring to the Arnold terminator in skynet HQ. Skynet had a defense grid, but marcus shut it down when he entered the building. </p>
<p>2. Despite the fact that it is demonstrated that terminators can be created to exactly replicate the appearance and voice of people they’ve captured to infiltrate or lure the Resistance into traps, Skynet chooses to keep Kyle Reese alive to lure John Connor into a trap.</p>
<p>A. Skynet did not know that Reese was Connor&#8217;s father. They only knew that the resistance was looking for him therefore making the plot to use him as a hostage reasonably intelligent. Only the T-1000 and T-X can replicate appearances and they weren&#8217;t invented yet.</p>
<p>3. Seriously, what possible reason could Skynet have for keeping Reese alive? Killing him ensures that John is never conceived. Even if you’re willing to argue the grandfather paradox here, you have to admit, it couldn’t fucking hurt.</p>
<p>A. Who says they weren&#8217;t planning to kill him after they wasted John Connor?</p>
<p>4. Apparently, you can jump into the ocean from a helicopter and just swim down and enter a nuclear submarine without any kind of diving gear.</p>
<p>4. I got nothing for this one I agree it was pretty stupid</p>
<p>5. The resistance has the talent and technology to perform a heart transplant.</p>
<p>A. It could happen, they have doctors and not a whole lot of technology is really needed for a heart transplant, just surgical tools and expertise.</p>
<p>6. The enormous ten-story tall Harvester robots are capable of astounding feats of ambush. They’re big, but they can walk on tippy-toes.</p>
<p>They also moo.</p>
<p>A. The terminator in terminator 1 had overly exaggerated mechanical noises too because it makes it less human and therefore scarier. Also you mentioned in the video that the harvesters and human camps are nazi references which they are not. Watch Terminator 1 again, Kyle Reese specifically states that the terminators rounded up the humans &#8220;into camps for orderly disposal&#8221;.</p>
<p>7. Blair is willing to betray her entire race and everyone who was willing to fight and die with her for a robot she’s known for less than two days and is unquestionably some kind of trap created by Skynet.</p>
<p>Women are nuts man, nuff said!</p>
<p>8. Terminators have highly-unstable nuclear power cells which would be much more effective as weapons against the Resistance than robots with guns.</p>
<p>A. Says terminator 3, but seriously, that movie was dog shit. This one is more in tune with the original Cameron films and ignores T3 and so do I.</p>
<p>9. These power cells apparently weren’t in the terminators destroyed in the first two movies.</p>
<p>A. Right, and the technology of the terminators is coherent with the Cameron films.</p>
<p>10. John Connor is immune to radiation, because he’s usually within a few hundred yards of these nuclear explosions when they occur.</p>
<p>A. I honestly don&#8217;t remember him being near any nuclear explosions but then, I only saw the movie once.</p>
<p>11. Skynet has no idea where the Resistance is, even though there’s a lake full of amphibious snake terminators in the lake two hundred yards outside their main base. Nor do these aquatic robots aid Skynet in any way to find the nuclear submarine serving as the Resistance HQ. In the ocean. The watery place you’d want your swimming robots to be.</p>
<p>Actually, Skynet did know where the base was, it destroyed the submarine near the end.</p>
<p>12. Wouldn’t it have been simpler to simply stuff Marcus full of explosives and program him to explode when he encounters John?</p>
<p>A. I guess, but you could make that same argument about ANY movie in history.</p>
<p>13. John is a war hero among the Resistance for teaching them how to fight the machines and exposing all of their weaknesses like, uh, shooting them a lot and running away.</p>
<p>A. This movie wasn&#8217;t about John Connor, it was about Marcus who was a much more interesting character. It really doesn&#8217;t say much about John becoming the resistance leader or anything either. </p>
<p>This movie was definitely a fan service, but as a huge fan of the franchise I have to give kudos when a new director makes a solid entry to the series. This movie wasn&#8217;t great but it was satisfactory. I think it actually played it safe a little too much but at least it was willing to move forward and not give us the same plot over again. If there ever is another Terminator by this director, I will be first in line to see it because I think the next one will be amazing.</p>
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		<title>By: Asimov</title>
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		<dc:creator>Asimov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 07:07:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and I believe in the 3rd movie they alluded to the power cells.  Arnold&#039;s skeleton was powered by a hydrogen fuel cell, not a nuclear one.  And if it became damaged it was unstable, which caused a hydrogen bomb like explosion.

I don&#039;t know where they got the nuclear thing from...but maybe it&#039;s just future continuity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and I believe in the 3rd movie they alluded to the power cells.  Arnold&#8217;s skeleton was powered by a hydrogen fuel cell, not a nuclear one.  And if it became damaged it was unstable, which caused a hydrogen bomb like explosion.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know where they got the nuclear thing from&#8230;but maybe it&#8217;s just future continuity.</p>
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		<title>By: Asimov</title>
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		<dc:creator>Asimov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 02:17:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Despite me liking the movie (7.5/10), I do agree with what you&#039;re saying, Spoony.  I know there are flaws, and many of those flaws stem from McG and the production companies.  

Apparently after James Cameron left as producer of these flicks Mario Kassar figured he could take a huge dump on the entire franchise...hiring people like Mostow and McG to direct these movies that are pretty good, but in no way as good as the first two.  And the WRITING TEAM!!  Fuck...what kind of hack writers did they get on this?  I heard that they one of the Nolan brothers to work on the script to beef it up...but he didn&#039;t beef it up at all!!  It seemed like they had a good idea but figured it was a safer bet to not take any chances.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Despite me liking the movie (7.5/10), I do agree with what you&#8217;re saying, Spoony.  I know there are flaws, and many of those flaws stem from McG and the production companies.  </p>
<p>Apparently after James Cameron left as producer of these flicks Mario Kassar figured he could take a huge dump on the entire franchise&#8230;hiring people like Mostow and McG to direct these movies that are pretty good, but in no way as good as the first two.  And the WRITING TEAM!!  Fuck&#8230;what kind of hack writers did they get on this?  I heard that they one of the Nolan brothers to work on the script to beef it up&#8230;but he didn&#8217;t beef it up at all!!  It seemed like they had a good idea but figured it was a safer bet to not take any chances.</p>
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		<title>By: Yeeup</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yeeup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 07:31:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think John Conner was ever the hero in any of the movies. The story was always central to him, but he was never the one saving people, he was the scrappy guy who was constantly being hauled out of the fire by serious badasses.

That said, John always seems to come out on top while still maintaining his morals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think John Conner was ever the hero in any of the movies. The story was always central to him, but he was never the one saving people, he was the scrappy guy who was constantly being hauled out of the fire by serious badasses.</p>
<p>That said, John always seems to come out on top while still maintaining his morals.</p>
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		<title>By: Aphex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aphex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 02:54:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;John is a war hero among the resistance&quot; yet was it just me or did it seem like he was just some asshole running around doing 
whatever he wanted to do... while the guys in the sub were the real deal?  I can&#039;t remember if you mentioned this spoony but I know
when watching this piece of shit I was questioning John Conners place in the resistance...

also, isn&#039;t it funny that in a world where every major city and military defense post has been nuked to shit by skynet during judgement day... 
it&#039;s sunny out? I mean unless the future war flashbacks from T1 &amp; 2 were intentionally always shot at night and meant to be at night, i 
would assume that any sun light would have been blotted out.... people are eating vegetables?? and aparently consumer electronics 
are still being created in bulk b/c it looked like all of the computers the resistance had were brand spanking new.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;John is a war hero among the resistance&#8221; yet was it just me or did it seem like he was just some asshole running around doing<br />
whatever he wanted to do&#8230; while the guys in the sub were the real deal?  I can&#8217;t remember if you mentioned this spoony but I know<br />
when watching this piece of shit I was questioning John Conners place in the resistance&#8230;</p>
<p>also, isn&#8217;t it funny that in a world where every major city and military defense post has been nuked to shit by skynet during judgement day&#8230;<br />
it&#8217;s sunny out? I mean unless the future war flashbacks from T1 &amp; 2 were intentionally always shot at night and meant to be at night, i<br />
would assume that any sun light would have been blotted out&#8230;. people are eating vegetables?? and aparently consumer electronics<br />
are still being created in bulk b/c it looked like all of the computers the resistance had were brand spanking new.</p>
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