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wristwatchmafia

Ummm…

Spoony, I thought you where mexican. It didn’t really seem important, but if we’re going to have some big talk on discrimination….I’m quite curious, actually.

Have you ever been discriminated against by someone who thought you where mexican? Or…is that racist???

wristwatchmafia

Ummm…

Spoony, I thought you where mexican. It didn’t really seem important, but if we’re going to have some big talk on discrimination….I’m quite curious, actually.

Have you ever been discriminated against by someone who thought you where mexican? Or…is that racist???

KiiWii

I’d watch the documentary. (Y)

KiiWii

I’d watch the documentary. (Y)

DrKeun

Actually, what you’ve said is not totally true.
much of christian and catholic church are now quite positive over the posibility of aliens.

I remember in, like 2008 or something, there was an article in the Vatican newspaper, titled “The Extraterrestrial Is My Brother,” . Rev. Jose Gabriel Funes said the expansiveness of the universe means there could be life on planets other than Earth.

and I think I remember him making a good arguemnets, over the theological problems which ‘ the exsitance of aliens’ , can make.

I don’t remember it quite well but it was something like. ‘aliens can be our brothers’ or ‘we can teach the word or god to aliens’ or something like that.

and I think I also remember reading an article, saying that the astrological departement in vatican univercity annoucing their belief of aliens, and they’re hopes of finding E.T .

anyway, Bible has so much flaws on its own, so unless you’re a hard believer , I don’t think that the exsitance of aliens would bother neither of the christians, or catholics that much.

Of course I may be wrong, but it is true that the acceptance of E.T. is seeming to be easier than the old days.

DrKeun

Actually, what you’ve said is not totally true.
much of christian and catholic church are now quite positive over the posibility of aliens.

I remember in, like 2008 or something, there was an article in the Vatican newspaper, titled “The Extraterrestrial Is My Brother,” . Rev. Jose Gabriel Funes said the expansiveness of the universe means there could be life on planets other than Earth.

and I think I remember him making a good arguemnets, over the theological problems which ‘ the exsitance of aliens’ , can make.

I don’t remember it quite well but it was something like. ‘aliens can be our brothers’ or ‘we can teach the word or god to aliens’ or something like that.

and I think I also remember reading an article, saying that the astrological departement in vatican univercity annoucing their belief of aliens, and they’re hopes of finding E.T .

anyway, Bible has so much flaws on its own, so unless you’re a hard believer , I don’t think that the exsitance of aliens would bother neither of the christians, or catholics that much.

Of course I may be wrong, but it is true that the acceptance of E.T. is seeming to be easier than the old days.

alidan

spoony, i have to say you are a very good person, mainly the ability to not see the human race as a who a bad thing is impressive.

but you have to keep in mind, America was the only country (im aware of) to have civil rites movements, to have allot of the crap re take for granted here happen. i remember one thing specifically, where at a soccer game somewhere in Europe, a black guy was taking the field and people threw bananas at him. personally i cant imagine that, but that is somewhat common place every where in the world besides America, and even more common, on the verge of violence and murder in countries that aren’t first world.

i mean i have sifted through this kind of thing all over the Internet, and i think one of the more surprising things was when i first learned how bad japan really is racism wise. a un inspector had a government guided tour there while investigating racism, you would think the government would take him places where he would be hard pressed to find any amount, but not far off of the governments tour areas, there are signs in the windows basically saying no foreigners.

you may want to do a little digging yourself, but i suggest you don’t. what ever you can find will most likely just depress you

alidan

spoony, i have to say you are a very good person, mainly the ability to not see the human race as a who a bad thing is impressive.

but you have to keep in mind, America was the only country (im aware of) to have civil rites movements, to have allot of the crap re take for granted here happen. i remember one thing specifically, where at a soccer game somewhere in Europe, a black guy was taking the field and people threw bananas at him. personally i cant imagine that, but that is somewhat common place every where in the world besides America, and even more common, on the verge of violence and murder in countries that aren’t first world.

i mean i have sifted through this kind of thing all over the Internet, and i think one of the more surprising things was when i first learned how bad japan really is racism wise. a un inspector had a government guided tour there while investigating racism, you would think the government would take him places where he would be hard pressed to find any amount, but not far off of the governments tour areas, there are signs in the windows basically saying no foreigners.

you may want to do a little digging yourself, but i suggest you don’t. what ever you can find will most likely just depress you

kktor

I need to go see this movie.

On the theological debate: Eh, most people would just deny the existence of aliens and the U.S. government would do it’s best to cover up the evidence, while the “believers” would be labeled “tinfoil-hat lunatics”.

kktor

I need to go see this movie.

On the theological debate: Eh, most people would just deny the existence of aliens and the U.S. government would do it’s best to cover up the evidence, while the “believers” would be labeled “tinfoil-hat lunatics”.

Jordi

Oh my God I want the hypothetical religion piece SO BAD

Jordi

Oh my God I want the hypothetical religion piece SO BAD

Vadakin

Actually, America isn’t the only country to have had civil rights movements. Northern Ireland had it in the 60′s when the Unionists ruled with an iron fist, backed by the British Government, driving Nationalists from their homes and controlling a system where, even in a Nationalist-dominated area, the Unionists held the seats of power. There was a civil rights movement which promoted the “one man, one vote” philosophy, something which both the British Government and the Unionists were against. As a result, there were incidents in which the RUC, not a paramilitary but a branch of the British military, clamped down on Nationalists/Catholics for holding protest marches, actions which ultimately lead to an increase in IRA numbers and “the long war” which only ended a 10 years ago.

Also, in Britain during the 70s, immigration was a huge issue and whites took to the streets, demanding that all non whites (who weren’t treated as equals anyway) be kicked out of the country. There was a lot of racism in Britain back then and civil rights movements to counter it.

Heck, every gay pride march you see around the world is in effect a civil rights march.

It’s true the US was home to a great deal of racism and there was a massive movement to end inequality and bring about equal rights for all citizens but the concept was by no means unique to the US.

Vadakin

Actually, America isn’t the only country to have had civil rights movements. Northern Ireland had it in the 60′s when the Unionists ruled with an iron fist, backed by the British Government, driving Nationalists from their homes and controlling a system where, even in a Nationalist-dominated area, the Unionists held the seats of power. There was a civil rights movement which promoted the “one man, one vote” philosophy, something which both the British Government and the Unionists were against. As a result, there were incidents in which the RUC, not a paramilitary but a branch of the British military, clamped down on Nationalists/Catholics for holding protest marches, actions which ultimately lead to an increase in IRA numbers and “the long war” which only ended a 10 years ago.

Also, in Britain during the 70s, immigration was a huge issue and whites took to the streets, demanding that all non whites (who weren’t treated as equals anyway) be kicked out of the country. There was a lot of racism in Britain back then and civil rights movements to counter it.

Heck, every gay pride march you see around the world is in effect a civil rights march.

It’s true the US was home to a great deal of racism and there was a massive movement to end inequality and bring about equal rights for all citizens but the concept was by no means unique to the US.

aaa

I don’t think any investor would fund that film. Too many risks.

aaa

I don’t think any investor would fund that film. Too many risks.

http://bit.ly/4toMYg Vaughn Fry

I disagree about the Apartheid metaphor. Even though it’s meant to be blatantly obvious, it defeats itself by being the inverse. Instead of an advanced minority controlling an indigenousness people; it’s an advance minority being controlled by indigenousness people.

If Neil want to play analogies, he needs to match the variables. The X-Men film franchise homosexual metaphor holds ten times the water.

http://bit.ly/4toMYg Vaughn Fry

I disagree about the Apartheid metaphor. Even though it’s meant to be blatantly obvious, it defeats itself by being the inverse. Instead of an advanced minority controlling an indigenousness people; it’s an advance minority being controlled by indigenousness people.

If Neil want to play analogies, he needs to match the variables. The X-Men film franchise homosexual metaphor holds ten times the water.

CrimsonDusk

Nice addition to your review to District 9 Spoony but I think the director didn’t bring religion into the movie because than he would’ve have to make the movie religious and present religious fanatics saying that the prawns are the devils minions and such or that they are other animals like cattle and pigs created by GOD so that the human can feast on them or sacrifice to the Lord. Oh and they would have gone the Taliban road were they would have presented some fanatics explode bombs on themselves and take some prawns with them and than the prawns would have had a catalyst reasons for a rebellion. I think it’s better than the director didn’t bring up the religious issue because than there would have been a controversy about religious sensibilities.

CrimsonDusk

Nice addition to your review to District 9 Spoony but I think the director didn’t bring religion into the movie because than he would’ve have to make the movie religious and present religious fanatics saying that the prawns are the devils minions and such or that they are other animals like cattle and pigs created by GOD so that the human can feast on them or sacrifice to the Lord. Oh and they would have gone the Taliban road were they would have presented some fanatics explode bombs on themselves and take some prawns with them and than the prawns would have had a catalyst reasons for a rebellion. I think it’s better than the director didn’t bring up the religious issue because than there would have been a controversy about religious sensibilities.

CamaroCaron

P.S. Spoony is 100% right that the “Moral” and “Metaphors” trying to be portrayed in D-9 feel completely forced upon the audience, insulting our intelligence by assuming this movie was too “deep” for us, and that we couldn’t figure it out on our own.

Also, if D-9 was meant to reflect an alternate timeline where Apartheid never occurred in South Africa (which wouldn’t make sense) that seems extremely disrespectful to the men and women who fought so hard for civil rights for Blacks in South Africa. Also, that argument double-fails because Apartheid DID happen in South Africa, and Apartheid IS meant to be reflected in the D-9. So once again, the writers/director/producer/etc. weren’t creative enough to establish a less obvious setting for their film, and as a result, the intelligence of the audience is insulted.

CamaroCaron

P.S. Spoony is 100% right that the “Moral” and “Metaphors” trying to be portrayed in D-9 feel completely forced upon the audience, insulting our intelligence by assuming this movie was too “deep” for us, and that we couldn’t figure it out on our own.

Also, if D-9 was meant to reflect an alternate timeline where Apartheid never occurred in South Africa (which wouldn’t make sense) that seems extremely disrespectful to the men and women who fought so hard for civil rights for Blacks in South Africa. Also, that argument double-fails because Apartheid DID happen in South Africa, and Apartheid IS meant to be reflected in the D-9. So once again, the writers/director/producer/etc. weren’t creative enough to establish a less obvious setting for their film, and as a result, the intelligence of the audience is insulted.

Ark

Spoony! Watch the original movie made by the same guy, it was called ‘Alive in Joburg’. Now that was a documentary of epic porportions… and 7 minutes.

Ark

Spoony! Watch the original movie made by the same guy, it was called ‘Alive in Joburg’. Now that was a documentary of epic porportions… and 7 minutes.

theo

Nah christians would deny that they’re coming from space and will convince themselve that prawns are demons (spawns of the lord of flies, why not). They’re too dellusionnal to realize they’re following an outdated code of conduit based on a bad, bad fantasy book created by the Church as a mind control system. They’ll simply make shit up and will still beleive in whatever faith because it make them feel special.

theo

Nah christians would deny that they’re coming from space and will convince themselve that prawns are demons (spawns of the lord of flies, why not). They’re too dellusionnal to realize they’re following an outdated code of conduit based on a bad, bad fantasy book created by the Church as a mind control system. They’ll simply make shit up and will still beleive in whatever faith because it make them feel special.

Anyone00

Well I’m part of a church that most here would consider fairly fundamentalist (we’re legally a cult in France); for the most part there would initially be some apprehensions at the aliens being a fraud because of a bunch of people screaming about how this disproves our religion (while showing how massively ignorant they are of what we believe; I mean today when debating one particular contentious social issue many individuals who disagree with my Church’s common position hammer the same arguments over and over again that in light of the believe of man being a fallen being and the entire ‘ways of the spirit, ways of the flesh’ are not only ineffective they’re right out detrimental to their cause), many would think there appearance as a sign of the end times (because just about everything is, but keep in mind that wouldn’t mean to those saying that the aliens themselves were evil), and then most of members of my church would just support efforts to learn the alien language and a their cultural basics so full scale proselytisation efforts could commence.

I mean most agree “being made in the image of God” means we have a soul/are beings with transcendent spirits.

I would be more worried about the New-agers forming cults around the aliens.

Anyone00

Well I’m part of a church that most here would consider fairly fundamentalist (we’re legally a cult in France); for the most part there would initially be some apprehensions at the aliens being a fraud because of a bunch of people screaming about how this disproves our religion (while showing how massively ignorant they are of what we believe; I mean today when debating one particular contentious social issue many individuals who disagree with my Church’s common position hammer the same arguments over and over again that in light of the believe of man being a fallen being and the entire ‘ways of the spirit, ways of the flesh’ are not only ineffective they’re right out detrimental to their cause), many would think there appearance as a sign of the end times (because just about everything is, but keep in mind that wouldn’t mean to those saying that the aliens themselves were evil), and then most of members of my church would just support efforts to learn the alien language and a their cultural basics so full scale proselytisation efforts could commence.

I mean most agree “being made in the image of God” means we have a soul/are beings with transcendent spirits.

I would be more worried about the New-agers forming cults around the aliens.

Shawn

I think Spoony is a bit wrong about hard core religious people going crazy over aliens and doubting their faith. Look at how they handle things like evolution, radiometric dating, and basically everything else the average high school student learns about. Rather than question their beliefs, they completely reject reality. If aliens landed, they would deny it. The aliens are fake, these pictures must be photoshopped, this is all a conspiracy by those god hating scientists and the liberal media.

IF those religious people eventually acknowledged the existence of the aliens, it would probably play out similar to our own history. Think from the perspective of the first Europeans who landed in North America. The Europeans find these strange humanoid creatures which must not be human because they look nothing like us. Their skin is different, they have a strange language, their architecture is unique, and they hunt strange animals never seen back home. This doesn’t pose a religious problem because these human-like natives are just another kind of animal, like a gorilla. For the safety of the colonies, we can just round them up and put them on Indian reservations. Oh yeah and they’re drones too because they keep asking the great bear spirit for guidance.
(racism still happens, faith is never doubted)

Shawn

I think Spoony is a bit wrong about hard core religious people going crazy over aliens and doubting their faith. Look at how they handle things like evolution, radiometric dating, and basically everything else the average high school student learns about. Rather than question their beliefs, they completely reject reality. If aliens landed, they would deny it. The aliens are fake, these pictures must be photoshopped, this is all a conspiracy by those god hating scientists and the liberal media.

IF those religious people eventually acknowledged the existence of the aliens, it would probably play out similar to our own history. Think from the perspective of the first Europeans who landed in North America. The Europeans find these strange humanoid creatures which must not be human because they look nothing like us. Their skin is different, they have a strange language, their architecture is unique, and they hunt strange animals never seen back home. This doesn’t pose a religious problem because these human-like natives are just another kind of animal, like a gorilla. For the safety of the colonies, we can just round them up and put them on Indian reservations. Oh yeah and they’re drones too because they keep asking the great bear spirit for guidance.
(racism still happens, faith is never doubted)

notascam

Really, not that much of a theological snag (provided you’re not a hyperliteral rube). In fact, many people hope there are aliens, and that they’ve haven’t defaced their nature like we have (Out of the Silent Planet, Lost in the Cosmos). And really this supposed affront has already happened with the death of the Ptolemaic universe (Maybe even before, as Almagest regards the Earth as so insignificant that it is not an object w/ dimensions, but a point).

Unfortunately, Hollywood would probably take run with your idea in two equally boring directions: “relijun is dum” or “compassion is the only true religion”. If I have to endure one more goddamn drawling southern “corrupt preacher” character I will fucking snap.

notascam

Really, not that much of a theological snag (provided you’re not a hyperliteral rube). In fact, many people hope there are aliens, and that they’ve haven’t defaced their nature like we have (Out of the Silent Planet, Lost in the Cosmos). And really this supposed affront has already happened with the death of the Ptolemaic universe (Maybe even before, as Almagest regards the Earth as so insignificant that it is not an object w/ dimensions, but a point).

Unfortunately, Hollywood would probably take run with your idea in two equally boring directions: “relijun is dum” or “compassion is the only true religion”. If I have to endure one more goddamn drawling southern “corrupt preacher” character I will fucking snap.

Dylan

I do aggree with you about the documentery thing, I think that would make the whole movie better in general, seeing that its ‘jumpy’ with the camera work and I also agree that the aliens look REAL and not cgi, well they look cgi but not as bad as in transformers or anything like that, and I loved this movie I just saw it yesterday and it was very entertaining, but yeah they did throw the whole ‘South Africans were being treated badly’ thing in your face, and that was like what, too long for me to even be alive, ago? What ever I liked the movie I didnt think it would be that good but I was wrong, best movie I’ve seen all year.

P.S. I am new to your site and I already love all your videos

Dylan

I do aggree with you about the documentery thing, I think that would make the whole movie better in general, seeing that its ‘jumpy’ with the camera work and I also agree that the aliens look REAL and not cgi, well they look cgi but not as bad as in transformers or anything like that, and I loved this movie I just saw it yesterday and it was very entertaining, but yeah they did throw the whole ‘South Africans were being treated badly’ thing in your face, and that was like what, too long for me to even be alive, ago? What ever I liked the movie I didnt think it would be that good but I was wrong, best movie I’ve seen all year.

P.S. I am new to your site and I already love all your videos

Lukas

I think that even though the parallels with apartheid are obvious, thats it does attract attention to our history that has been mostly forgotten. Here in Europe, they only briefly mention apartheid in schools. Like you it quite hard to imagine what it would be like. Older people will find the film trivial but those who aren’t familiar with the problem will google it and find what really happened in Africa.

I welcome this kind of education.

Lukas

I think that even though the parallels with apartheid are obvious, thats it does attract attention to our history that has been mostly forgotten. Here in Europe, they only briefly mention apartheid in schools. Like you it quite hard to imagine what it would be like. Older people will find the film trivial but those who aren’t familiar with the problem will google it and find what really happened in Africa.

I welcome this kind of education.

Luni

The religion factor is enough of a question to warrant it’s own story. A documentary I think would not do it justice. I think an aftermath ‘Brave New World’ or ‘Children of Men’ approach would be more artful. I can’t imagine an alien scenario being smooth or uplifting like in Star Trek anymore. It all starts to resemble Halflife 2. The best part is that you can take that train of thought to any direction and it would still be original.

Luni

The religion factor is enough of a question to warrant it’s own story. A documentary I think would not do it justice. I think an aftermath ‘Brave New World’ or ‘Children of Men’ approach would be more artful. I can’t imagine an alien scenario being smooth or uplifting like in Star Trek anymore. It all starts to resemble Halflife 2. The best part is that you can take that train of thought to any direction and it would still be original.

http://www.sermonfire.blogspot.com/ Logan Paschke

Hey Spoony, I don’t usually comment, but your post caused me to respond.

First, I will admit that I didn’t go to the movie, from what I heard from others is that it’s generally a good Sci-Fi which is getting rarer and rarer these days. Kind of like a good Will Ferrel comedy like you said earlier. Poor will.

Second, I have to say that you need to do some research on what Christians have taught regarding aliens. The idea that Christianity would collapse with the arrival of an alien species is laughable. When Europeans arrived on the shores of America, the animistic religions did not collapse but remained and possibly strengthened. Some Native Americans converted to the White man’s ways and some did not. I was just at the Grand Canyon and I watched a group of Native Americans practicing dancing rituals that their great-great-great-grandfathers practiced (according to them). Did the presence of a few hundred tourists change anything? No.

*looks like Shawn already covered my last point, ah well*

Here’s an interesting article by C.S. Lewis regarding aliens I just found on the web: http://books.google.com/books?id=9nFujmxXcR8C&lpg=PP1&dq=world%27s%20last%20night&client=firefox-a&pg=PA83#v=onepage&q=&f=false

As a Christian, if they were to arrive, I’d start donating to the Wycliffe Bible Translators so they could translate the Bible into their language. Sinful aliens need to be reconciled to God through Christ like me.

Peace mate, can’t wait for your next video.

http://www.sermonfire.blogspot.com Logan Paschke

Hey Spoony, I don’t usually comment, but your post caused me to respond.

First, I will admit that I didn’t go to the movie, from what I heard from others is that it’s generally a good Sci-Fi which is getting rarer and rarer these days. Kind of like a good Will Ferrel comedy like you said earlier. Poor will.

Second, I have to say that you need to do some research on what Christians have taught regarding aliens. The idea that Christianity would collapse with the arrival of an alien species is laughable. When Europeans arrived on the shores of America, the animistic religions did not collapse but remained and possibly strengthened. Some Native Americans converted to the White man’s ways and some did not. I was just at the Grand Canyon and I watched a group of Native Americans practicing dancing rituals that their great-great-great-grandfathers practiced (according to them). Did the presence of a few hundred tourists change anything? No.

*looks like Shawn already covered my last point, ah well*

Here’s an interesting article by C.S. Lewis regarding aliens I just found on the web: http://books.google.com/books?id=9nFujmxXcR8C&lpg=PP1&dq=world%27s%20last%20night&client=firefox-a&pg=PA83#v=onepage&q=&f=false

As a Christian, if they were to arrive, I’d start donating to the Wycliffe Bible Translators so they could translate the Bible into their language. Sinful aliens need to be reconciled to God through Christ like me.

Peace mate, can’t wait for your next video.

dennett316

re CamaroCaron;
Unfortunately, the film maker probably felt the need to be so obvious due to the quite sad fact that audiences are in fact getting dumber. Good film making just isn’t enough anymore, in fact it’s seemingly a detriment nowadays where the likes of Transformers 2 can succeed on such a large scale despite it’s numerous and face-palmingly moronic flaws.
Take solace in the fact that this movie has created such debate, tackles relatively complex issues and looks fantastic considering it’s low budget.

And Spoony, never underestimate the human capacity for cruelty to our fellow men and women, unfortunately as a race we’re pretty much awful.

dennett316

re CamaroCaron;
Unfortunately, the film maker probably felt the need to be so obvious due to the quite sad fact that audiences are in fact getting dumber. Good film making just isn’t enough anymore, in fact it’s seemingly a detriment nowadays where the likes of Transformers 2 can succeed on such a large scale despite it’s numerous and face-palmingly moronic flaws.
Take solace in the fact that this movie has created such debate, tackles relatively complex issues and looks fantastic considering it’s low budget.

And Spoony, never underestimate the human capacity for cruelty to our fellow men and women, unfortunately as a race we’re pretty much awful.

BlueNick

granted it is just my own ignorance, but before I saw your review I had never heard of the apartheids. I know south africa had problems with racism, but no idea that it had segregated slums. so it may have been a brick to the face but that is what I think is needed to bring up awareness of the masses.

BlueNick

granted it is just my own ignorance, but before I saw your review I had never heard of the apartheids. I know south africa had problems with racism, but no idea that it had segregated slums. so it may have been a brick to the face but that is what I think is needed to bring up awareness of the masses.

DieselEdge

Most Catholics and Christian denominations don’t take all the Bible in a literal sense. Too many people think all Christians are like hardcore Evangelists, who take the Bible as literal truth and the only truth. I don’t hate those people, I just think they are lead down a very unhealthly and shallow path. There are priests and bishops that say much of the Bible is not to be taken in a literal sense, and this includes Genesis and the other mythological texts. These aren’t liberal christains either. They are members of the Catholic Church. Only hardcore Bible thumpers or Christians that have not studied their faith and it’s history would have a problem with aliens.

DieselEdge

Most Catholics and Christian denominations don’t take all the Bible in a literal sense. Too many people think all Christians are like hardcore Evangelists, who take the Bible as literal truth and the only truth. I don’t hate those people, I just think they are lead down a very unhealthly and shallow path. There are priests and bishops that say much of the Bible is not to be taken in a literal sense, and this includes Genesis and the other mythological texts. These aren’t liberal christains either. They are members of the Catholic Church. Only hardcore Bible thumpers or Christians that have not studied their faith and it’s history would have a problem with aliens.

CamaroCaron

re dennett316;
While I have no doubt that Hollywood THINKS themselves to possess higher intelligence than they average person, the fact of the matter is, they don’t. I’m not going to let Hollywood’s superiority complex make up for a lack of creativity.

Also, humans nature may cause us to be violent towards each other, but guess what? Animals act violently towards each other as well. Nature IS violent. Its Natural to be violent. Life IS a competition. Animals fight for food, mating, and territory. Plants compete for sunlight to grow, and then kill other plants who live in its shade. Violence even exists between members of their own species. Look at the competitive violence of a wolfpack, or the brutally violent acts chimpanzees often display between one another. Don’t single out humanity as an “awful” race simply because we exhibit the same violent tenancies as any other living organism in nature. Humans are not, nor even will be, above nature.

Also, I’d just like to say, posters need to STOP generalizing the beliefs of religious persons. Seriously, it seems idiots like “theo” think they’re smarter than another person because they have faith in a religion and he doesn’t. It people like “theo” who claim moronic crap like: “Religion is bad, Man! I don’t conform to the church, Man! I fight any form of establishment, Man! I’m not religious, I’m SPIRITUAL, Man!” Dude, SHUT UP! You sound like a tool when you attack a person’s faith and intelligence, just because they have a different opinion than your own. If you did some research instead of run your mouth you’d learn that several major religions are not opposed to the idea of extra-terrestrial life. Just because someone possesses a different opinion than you, that doesn’t mean they’re stupid.

CamaroCaron

re dennett316;
While I have no doubt that Hollywood THINKS themselves to possess higher intelligence than they average person, the fact of the matter is, they don’t. I’m not going to let Hollywood’s superiority complex make up for a lack of creativity.

Also, humans nature may cause us to be violent towards each other, but guess what? Animals act violently towards each other as well. Nature IS violent. Its Natural to be violent. Life IS a competition. Animals fight for food, mating, and territory. Plants compete for sunlight to grow, and then kill other plants who live in its shade. Violence even exists between members of their own species. Look at the competitive violence of a wolfpack, or the brutally violent acts chimpanzees often display between one another. Don’t single out humanity as an “awful” race simply because we exhibit the same violent tenancies as any other living organism in nature. Humans are not, nor even will be, above nature.

Also, I’d just like to say, posters need to STOP generalizing the beliefs of religious persons. Seriously, it seems idiots like “theo” think they’re smarter than another person because they have faith in a religion and he doesn’t. It people like “theo” who claim moronic crap like: “Religion is bad, Man! I don’t conform to the church, Man! I fight any form of establishment, Man! I’m not religious, I’m SPIRITUAL, Man!” Dude, SHUT UP! You sound like a tool when you attack a person’s faith and intelligence, just because they have a different opinion than your own. If you did some research instead of run your mouth you’d learn that several major religions are not opposed to the idea of extra-terrestrial life. Just because someone possesses a different opinion than you, that doesn’t mean they’re stupid.

Talley

Didn’t the film sort of cover a pseudo-religious aspect with the witch doctor theme? The Nigerian gangsters thought they could gain the prawns’ power by eating them, so in a way they worshipped the prawns for their supernatural abilities.

Maybe, in a more documentary-oriented exploration involving organized religion, there would be many sects that choose to worship the prawns as they do other gods.

Either way, cool idea, Spoonster.

Talley

Didn’t the film sort of cover a pseudo-religious aspect with the witch doctor theme? The Nigerian gangsters thought they could gain the prawns’ power by eating them, so in a way they worshipped the prawns for their supernatural abilities.

Maybe, in a more documentary-oriented exploration involving organized religion, there would be many sects that choose to worship the prawns as they do other gods.

Either way, cool idea, Spoonster.

Ancian

Jeebus-Prawn, the second coming!

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Jeebus-Prawn, the second coming!

Esc0bar0ni

That totally makes sense. World would go into chaos if these creatures, that weren’t in the bible just appeared.

Or.. Some Pope would say that those aliens, are in fact Satan, in a different form.

And thus, the bible saved the day.

Esc0bar0ni

That totally makes sense. World would go into chaos if these creatures, that weren’t in the bible just appeared.

Or.. Some Pope would say that those aliens, are in fact Satan, in a different form.

And thus, the bible saved the day.

Fonzy

Oh Spoony…you went there lol.
Anyways, it is believed that those that came unto man before the flood were aliens, or Nephlim (fallen angels). There are a few hints at the possibility of extraterrestial life. God created man and the universe, I wouldn’t be surprised if he didn’t create other beings.
It’s confirmed that the Vatican has now approved these beings as our brothers. Frankly I think it’s a bunch of bs. on the Vatican’s behalf. Like I said before, there’s evidence of atrocious acts of cattle and human mutilation, countless stories on traumatic abductions, some benevolent and others malevolent. Again, it’s not something you’ll always find on mainstream news. Go look for yourself and try to discern through what you think is bullshit and what not but out of those many you’ll find those true astounding ones.

Fonzy

Oh Spoony…you went there lol.
Anyways, it is believed that those that came unto man before the flood were aliens, or Nephlim (fallen angels). There are a few hints at the possibility of extraterrestial life. God created man and the universe, I wouldn’t be surprised if he didn’t create other beings.
It’s confirmed that the Vatican has now approved these beings as our brothers. Frankly I think it’s a bunch of bs. on the Vatican’s behalf. Like I said before, there’s evidence of atrocious acts of cattle and human mutilation, countless stories on traumatic abductions, some benevolent and others malevolent. Again, it’s not something you’ll always find on mainstream news. Go look for yourself and try to discern through what you think is bullshit and what not but out of those many you’ll find those true astounding ones.

theo

@23 eat me and fuck your fruity cult. Religion bring absolutly nothing good and you feel bad to encourage this madness. Faith is a poison that constipate the mind. Grow up an educate yourself.

And yes I feel really more intelligent than the like of you. Fuck you and have a crappy day. :)

theo

@23 eat me and fuck your fruity cult. Religion bring absolutly nothing good and you feel bad to encourage this madness. Faith is a poison that constipate the mind. Grow up an educate yourself.

And yes I feel really more intelligent than the like of you. Fuck you and have a crappy day. :)

Emily

ATTN: Theo

Protip: Not all of us Christians are as “delusional” as you seem to think, buddy. Yeah, there are fanatical Christians, but that doesn’t mean ALL Christians are fanatical. Every religion has its fanatics and its more “down-to-earth, normal” people. You know, even Atheism suffers from its groups of fanaticism who are just as loud, obnoxious and close-minded as any fanatical Christian, Muslim, Jew, etc.

ANYWAY — Spoony, I think your idea about the fall of religion in the documentary could be really good. It’s definitely an interesting thought, although I agree with someone who stated above, that I doubt aliens landing would completely destroy any idea of there being a God — okay, well maybe it would work in South Africa, who knows, but in North America and probably many other countries, so many people, religious or not, are so used to splashes of paranormal and superstition in the media and whatnot, that it just may be “Oh, look, aliens,”

I could definitely see groups of fanatical religious groups falling into chaos and whatnot because of the aliens landing, and maybe their irrational and erratic behaviour could pour out and cause mass hysteria, and eventually lead to authoritative officials having to lock away the chaos-causing people who have basically gone practically insane, claiming the world is ending and Judgment Day is upon us because of aliens landing. …So now you have these two groups basically caged in beside each other, in a way: both the aliens and the mass hysterical. Or something to that extent.

Emily

ATTN: Theo

Protip: Not all of us Christians are as “delusional” as you seem to think, buddy. Yeah, there are fanatical Christians, but that doesn’t mean ALL Christians are fanatical. Every religion has its fanatics and its more “down-to-earth, normal” people. You know, even Atheism suffers from its groups of fanaticism who are just as loud, obnoxious and close-minded as any fanatical Christian, Muslim, Jew, etc.

ANYWAY — Spoony, I think your idea about the fall of religion in the documentary could be really good. It’s definitely an interesting thought, although I agree with someone who stated above, that I doubt aliens landing would completely destroy any idea of there being a God — okay, well maybe it would work in South Africa, who knows, but in North America and probably many other countries, so many people, religious or not, are so used to splashes of paranormal and superstition in the media and whatnot, that it just may be “Oh, look, aliens,”

I could definitely see groups of fanatical religious groups falling into chaos and whatnot because of the aliens landing, and maybe their irrational and erratic behaviour could pour out and cause mass hysteria, and eventually lead to authoritative officials having to lock away the chaos-causing people who have basically gone practically insane, claiming the world is ending and Judgment Day is upon us because of aliens landing. …So now you have these two groups basically caged in beside each other, in a way: both the aliens and the mass hysterical. Or something to that extent.

Benjamin

I’ve always thought of that in every Sci-fi flick i’ve ever watched. But then again I don’t think the bible is supposed to be taken at face value for the most part, but teach you lessons like how fairy tales do. I seriously do not believe women are made of rib-meat.

Benjamin

I’ve always thought of that in every Sci-fi flick i’ve ever watched. But then again I don’t think the bible is supposed to be taken at face value for the most part, but teach you lessons like how fairy tales do. I seriously do not believe women are made of rib-meat.

Kevin Holsinger

Good morning, Spoony.

I’m not sure what you think of the movie “Contact”, but I found it a rather decent approach to how people would ACTUALLY react if we had to deal with aliens. You had the kumbayah-types who reacted with uber-compassion towards the aliens, the fanatics who thought the aliens had to be a bad thing, the US government who looked at the matter from a national security perspective, and Big Business (at least in Japan) looking for the best way to make money off the whole thing.

We’ve got over six billion people on this planet. They’re not likely to all react the same way. The question (and I honestly don’t have an answer to this) is how many of them will react the way we think they’d react, and how many would surprise us.

Kevin Holsinger

Good morning, Spoony.

I’m not sure what you think of the movie “Contact”, but I found it a rather decent approach to how people would ACTUALLY react if we had to deal with aliens. You had the kumbayah-types who reacted with uber-compassion towards the aliens, the fanatics who thought the aliens had to be a bad thing, the US government who looked at the matter from a national security perspective, and Big Business (at least in Japan) looking for the best way to make money off the whole thing.

We’ve got over six billion people on this planet. They’re not likely to all react the same way. The question (and I honestly don’t have an answer to this) is how many of them will react the way we think they’d react, and how many would surprise us.

Kevin Holsinger

Oh, and since I spent a lot of time in college thinking about this subject (I’m trying to be a writer), here are some other thoughts on the matter…

“Sharing the technology”

Do the aliens share their technology with us, screwing up our self-initiative by handing us what we could invent ourselves? If so, what if we aren’t ready for it? If not, how would we feel about being deprived of what they have? For example, if the aliens had the cure for cancer, but couldn’t give it to us because we needed to figure it out for ourselves, how would we take that?
Also, think about fuel. How did the aliens get here? I’m assuming it’s a new fuel source. If they handed that to us, think of how that would destabilize countries that thrive off oil-profits. There’s no gradual slipping into a new fuel system. It’s drastic and quick, thanks to the aliens.

Kevin Holsinger

Oh, and since I spent a lot of time in college thinking about this subject (I’m trying to be a writer), here are some other thoughts on the matter…

“Sharing the technology”

Do the aliens share their technology with us, screwing up our self-initiative by handing us what we could invent ourselves? If so, what if we aren’t ready for it? If not, how would we feel about being deprived of what they have? For example, if the aliens had the cure for cancer, but couldn’t give it to us because we needed to figure it out for ourselves, how would we take that?
Also, think about fuel. How did the aliens get here? I’m assuming it’s a new fuel source. If they handed that to us, think of how that would destabilize countries that thrive off oil-profits. There’s no gradual slipping into a new fuel system. It’s drastic and quick, thanks to the aliens.

Bookshelf Stud

Hmm. Quite the erudite theological debate going on here. Personally, my philosophy in this regard has always been that it’s just not worth it to question God. Think of it this way:
If God is real, and you don’t question his presence or actions, then heaven for you.
If God isn’t real, and you still believe he is, then, well, whatever the hypothetical afterlife sans-deity is.
If God is real, and you don’t believe in him, then hell for you.
If God isn’t real, and you don’t believe in him, then the aformentioned lack of afterlife for you.
The gamble is far greater to not believe in God than to believe in him. In a roundabout way, this justifies my personal reaction to a hypothetical alien landing: “y’know what? God knows what he’s doing. I’m cool with it as long as nothing kills me personally.”

On a related note, I still haven’t seen District 9 ;(

Bookshelf Stud

Hmm. Quite the erudite theological debate going on here. Personally, my philosophy in this regard has always been that it’s just not worth it to question God. Think of it this way:
If God is real, and you don’t question his presence or actions, then heaven for you.
If God isn’t real, and you still believe he is, then, well, whatever the hypothetical afterlife sans-deity is.
If God is real, and you don’t believe in him, then hell for you.
If God isn’t real, and you don’t believe in him, then the aformentioned lack of afterlife for you.
The gamble is far greater to not believe in God than to believe in him. In a roundabout way, this justifies my personal reaction to a hypothetical alien landing: “y’know what? God knows what he’s doing. I’m cool with it as long as nothing kills me personally.”

On a related note, I still haven’t seen District 9 ;(

Emily

Yeah, I agree — there really is a great theological debate happening here, other than the one or two off-colour comments. I’m rather surprised. A debate like this in Youtube comments would never be this tidy and civil, nor this intelligent/well-thought. People on Youtube are notorious for ripping and tearing without a hint of remorse. o_O

Emily

Yeah, I agree — there really is a great theological debate happening here, other than the one or two off-colour comments. I’m rather surprised. A debate like this in Youtube comments would never be this tidy and civil, nor this intelligent/well-thought. People on Youtube are notorious for ripping and tearing without a hint of remorse. o_O

Silvexsun

So many thoughtful comments. This really shows off the intelligence of the Spoony fanbase.
The Spoony Experiment – reviews for the thinking man
And a big “thank you” for your reviews which filling up those tedious minutes while I wait for my torrents to finish downloading

Silvexsun

So many thoughtful comments. This really shows off the intelligence of the Spoony fanbase.
The Spoony Experiment – reviews for the thinking man
And a big “thank you” for your reviews which filling up those tedious minutes while I wait for my torrents to finish downloading

Chickidy

“In the house of my father there are many mansions,” can be interpreted as Christ saying there is a possibility of other worlds and other sentient life. So for Christianity and Islam at least, in some circles the possibility of alien life is absolutely expected.

Chickidy

“In the house of my father there are many mansions,” can be interpreted as Christ saying there is a possibility of other worlds and other sentient life. So for Christianity and Islam at least, in some circles the possibility of alien life is absolutely expected.

Doma

There are spoilers in this comment, so don’t read if you haven’t seen it, because you should see it because it was absolutely amazing.

I think you just have to think about the differences between you and the people in Johannesburg. The people who live in a majority of the city were born in shit, will live in shit, and will die in shit. Because of this, they have no concept of accepting new, intelligent beings into their world (plus the film states that the Prawns were the workers of the ship, unable to care for themselves, and it’s stated almost exactly like that so I don’t know where you’re coming from.) So you have all these people who want to live peacefully after the Apartheid and now there are these disgusting creatures stealing sutff off of them, digging through their trash, and being nothing but giant, awful nuisances to their lives. These creatures turned out to not be super amazing awesome intelligent aliens, they turned out to be shit eating monsters to these people.

And I’d just like to squeeze in that the whole “Nigerians are gangsters” thing is kinda true, in that right now Africa’s main problem is its gangs and ganglords. That is, aside from AIDS.

I can’t believe you didn’t mention how Christopher’s ship just happened to have a convenient doorway in the side of it when it crashed, or how twice in the film the Elite Soldier and his crew (the guys who were hunting Vickes the whole time) would just stand there and barrage them endlessly with bullets, not advancing towards them to suppress them, while Vickes and Christopher just sat there and manically discussed plans. It happened in the lab when they got the fluid and when Vickes got in the suit and was escorting Christopher through all the tons of bullets flying at them BY THE HUNTING SQUAD. They could have run up to the two of them and popped them both in the face, but they decided to just sit there and waste ammo.

And the thing about Religion and widespread suicide and war you mentioned, the film never showed anything outside of Johannesburg. All footage was in Johannesburg, so that did well to cover up any histeria anywhere else in the world.

As far as changing from actual footage to there being no possible way there’s a camera man around, that’s just for effect. The film has set the viewer up so that it’s like they’re watching real stuff. The entire beginning of the film was footage, and then the film became a lot more cinematic just because the impression of a documentary has been impressed on your mind. You realize there’s no way this stuff can happen, but that’s obvious. I think it’s just a “sit back and enjoy the movie” kind of part. Because there was little “actual footage” during the middle of the film.

In general, I think it’s just how detailed you want to get about something. I mean, I walked out of the movie realizing everything that didn’t work out in my mind about it, but I could at least accept those things. Just because a movie raises questions doesn’t mean it can’t answer them. It was made to be an enjoyable film, and thats just what it was. And another thing is, I’m not sure if you’re feeling the same feeling as me, because I honestly thought the film was fucking amazing. Just the stress it made you feel, all the emotions, and they were all genuine and real because of how well the film was shaped. Not a single thing felt out of place. Not a single thing felt flimsy. I think this movie might just be flawless because of how unconventional it is.

So that’s just what I think, cool if you read this far, have a nice day