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I remember someone commenting about you playing Persona 4. I guess now it will be properly explained.

I remember someone commenting about you playing Persona 4. I guess now it will be properly explained.

Dragon Age took me 50 hours and I could have done a lot more side quests if I wanted.

Dragon Age took me 50 hours and I could have done a lot more side quests if I wanted.

I’ve never really played or even heard about Persona games. Maybe I should get one :)

I’ve never really played or even heard about Persona games. Maybe I should get one :)

TEDDIE!!!!!!!

Fuck i hated his voice! It was really horrible to be forced to listen to him tell me the same things at each round of the battle. “GO SENSEI YOU KNOCKED HIM DOWN!” Yeah teddie, i know that because im not BLIND!

Otherwise a very good game imo.

TEDDIE!!!!!!!

Fuck i hated his voice! It was really horrible to be forced to listen to him tell me the same things at each round of the battle. “GO SENSEI YOU KNOCKED HIM DOWN!” Yeah teddie, i know that because im not BLIND!

Otherwise a very good game imo.

Oh man, your Teddy impression was awesomely accurate. Throughout the game he’s the only character who really annoyed me. As far as the bosses targeting your weaknesses, the other way around it is to guard. It stops the extra attack. Of course the downside is that your character is essentially cannon fodder unless the enemy is knocked down, but with the right strategy it’s still very do-able. Persona 4 is up there among my favorite turn-based RPGs, so have fun with it.

Oh man, your Teddy impression was awesomely accurate. Throughout the game he’s the only character who really annoyed me. As far as the bosses targeting your weaknesses, the other way around it is to guard. It stops the extra attack. Of course the downside is that your character is essentially cannon fodder unless the enemy is knocked down, but with the right strategy it’s still very do-able. Persona 4 is up there among my favorite turn-based RPGs, so have fun with it.

Don’t worry too much about Teddy… he’s not the only support person you get, though the next one isn’t exactly an improvement (until you improve her anyway.) He IS the only person who levels their social link without your intervention, so he is unique in that regard though.

Kanji’s social link is actually my favorite, especially after the scenes in the Bathhouse Dungeon. Yeah, it does kind of feel offensive with all the gay jokes and sterotypes… until you realize it’s an actual, legitimate problem for him. Helping him deal with his identity issues was my highpoint in the game. It probably helps he’s a total bad-ass at times.

Let us know what you think of the rest of the game! Your probably going to want to play it more than once!

Don’t worry too much about Teddy… he’s not the only support person you get, though the next one isn’t exactly an improvement (until you improve her anyway.) He IS the only person who levels their social link without your intervention, so he is unique in that regard though.

Kanji’s social link is actually my favorite, especially after the scenes in the Bathhouse Dungeon. Yeah, it does kind of feel offensive with all the gay jokes and sterotypes… until you realize it’s an actual, legitimate problem for him. Helping him deal with his identity issues was my highpoint in the game. It probably helps he’s a total bad-ass at times.

Let us know what you think of the rest of the game! Your probably going to want to play it more than once!

Dragon age took me a bit over 60 hours, although I ran most of the side quests.

May have to pick up Persona 4 for Christmas, although the grinding does sound boring…

Dragon age took me a bit over 60 hours, although I ran most of the side quests.

May have to pick up Persona 4 for Christmas, although the grinding does sound boring…

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AWESOME GAME ! Especialy in koop =^.^=

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I was looking forward to hearing your thoughts on this game. I actually picked up Persona 4 a while ago, but I haven’t had much time to play it or any other games lately. Maybe I’ll start it up again over the Holidays.

I did play through Persona 3, twice, and once on hard mode, because I am an idiot. I actually really liked Persona 3, as the idea of ascending a really huge tower full of very difficult enemies appeals to my old-school rpg sense. Even so, while I recommend trying other Megaten games on hard just for the fun of it, I don’t really recommend Persona 3′s hard mode, since everything is about 10x harder and buying back Persona’s is much more expensive. This is a problem because it puts a much larger pressure on the player to not screw up even a single day’s worth of activities. Even more so then before, on hard mode the game becomes an incredibly precise exercise in micromanagement of in-game time.

Anyway, I would actually like to hear you review a few more turn-based rpgs, both good and bad, since chances are I have played a lot of the same turn based games you have.

I was looking forward to hearing your thoughts on this game. I actually picked up Persona 4 a while ago, but I haven’t had much time to play it or any other games lately. Maybe I’ll start it up again over the Holidays.

I did play through Persona 3, twice, and once on hard mode, because I am an idiot. I actually really liked Persona 3, as the idea of ascending a really huge tower full of very difficult enemies appeals to my old-school rpg sense. Even so, while I recommend trying other Megaten games on hard just for the fun of it, I don’t really recommend Persona 3′s hard mode, since everything is about 10x harder and buying back Persona’s is much more expensive. This is a problem because it puts a much larger pressure on the player to not screw up even a single day’s worth of activities. Even more so then before, on hard mode the game becomes an incredibly precise exercise in micromanagement of in-game time.

Anyway, I would actually like to hear you review a few more turn-based rpgs, both good and bad, since chances are I have played a lot of the same turn based games you have.

Nice review as always Spoony, it would be cool to show us some of your videogame collection I think we can see some part of it in the backround of your review

Nice review as always Spoony, it would be cool to show us some of your videogame collection I think we can see some part of it in the backround of your review

Yeah, Shadow Yukiko was a little annoying, Shadow Kanji is a little worse, but just wait until you reach the boss of the Void Quest dungeon, that boss will likely make you pull your hair out.

As far as the weakness thing goes, as was said earlier you’re best bet is to make characters with weaknesses guard when dealing with an enemy that can exploit that character’s weakness.

Another tip is to revisit each dungeon that you’ve cleared. This will keep help keep your levels up to par for the next dungeon, and if you journey to the top floor of a cleared dungeon a second time, you get to fight a mini-boss and afterward you can search the room the mini-boss was in to find a hidden weapon for one of your characters that’s usually a lot better than what you can buy at the shop for at least the first half of the game.

Yeah, Shadow Yukiko was a little annoying, Shadow Kanji is a little worse, but just wait until you reach the boss of the Void Quest dungeon, that boss will likely make you pull your hair out.

As far as the weakness thing goes, as was said earlier you’re best bet is to make characters with weaknesses guard when dealing with an enemy that can exploit that character’s weakness.

Another tip is to revisit each dungeon that you’ve cleared. This will keep help keep your levels up to par for the next dungeon, and if you journey to the top floor of a cleared dungeon a second time, you get to fight a mini-boss and afterward you can search the room the mini-boss was in to find a hidden weapon for one of your characters that’s usually a lot better than what you can buy at the shop for at least the first half of the game.

Hey, Spoonyman! Spoonster. Spoonington.
And everyone else of course.
I wonder if you’ve heard of this guy. Some good comics here. Older ones cover some parts of the Metal Gear series, but right now he’s doing Persona 4.

Enjoy.

http://hiimdaisy.livejournal.com/

Hey, Spoonyman! Spoonster. Spoonington.
And everyone else of course.
I wonder if you’ve heard of this guy. Some good comics here. Older ones cover some parts of the Metal Gear series, but right now he’s doing Persona 4.

Enjoy.

http://hiimdaisy.livejournal.com/

Teddy does become a bit deeper and more interesting as a character later on-and like somebody else said he IS REPLACED by someone else as your support character. The lines still get repetitive but it’s a fair bit more tolerable to listen to at least. Anyway, I just wanted to bring that up-now I’m going to continue watching-I’ll throw in some other comments if I think of anything else to say.

Teddy does become a bit deeper and more interesting as a character later on-and like somebody else said he IS REPLACED by someone else as your support character. The lines still get repetitive but it’s a fair bit more tolerable to listen to at least. Anyway, I just wanted to bring that up-now I’m going to continue watching-I’ll throw in some other comments if I think of anything else to say.

I just kept getting drawn to that thick PS2 boxset on your shelf behind you. What is that?

I just kept getting drawn to that thick PS2 boxset on your shelf behind you. What is that?

I am playing this game too, good to know you haven’t finished it yet (I would hate to run into spoilers)

Did you got the special edition that comes with the CD Soundtrack? And also, as soon as you can, go to the sanctuary and make friends with the Fox. I think that, thanks to that social link, you can summon a Cerberus-like creature.

Also, I totally agree with you on the difficulty. Yeah, this game is insanely unforgiving respect Boss fights, and it forces you to grind, but thank God the combat system is fast and intuitive. I just wonder, if this game is hard, how hard would Persona 3 be? I don’t even dare to play that now.

The post-2 Persona games are absolutely dreadful. I don’t know how anyone can tolerate that bullshit, especially the nauseatingly terrible music.

The post-2 Persona games are absolutely dreadful. I don’t know how anyone can tolerate that bullshit, especially the nauseatingly terrible music.

You think Incubus is weird?
Dude, you need to get the persona named Mara.
It will fuck with your mind…in ways you could never imagine.

The post-2 Persona games are absolutely dreadful. I don’t know how anyone can tolerate that bullshit, especially the nauseatingly terrible music.

Yeah… teddy…
I barely scratched the surface of P4 and as soon as I saw that throat-zipper mascot thing and heard it commenting the battles I was like ‘oookay… but this isn’t permanent now, is it?’.
Glad to hear he’ll be switched out at some point.

I liked persona 3.
So you beat that one huh? Well how did you like the final boss buildup?
You feel like you’ll be facing some real badass shit and there’s absolutely nothing you can do about it.
No other game has done that for me before.

Yeah… teddy…
I barely scratched the surface of P4 and as soon as I saw that throat-zipper mascot thing and heard it commenting the battles I was like ‘oookay… but this isn’t permanent now, is it?’.
Glad to hear he’ll be switched out at some point.

I liked persona 3.
So you beat that one huh? Well how did you like the final boss buildup?
You feel like you’ll be facing some real badass shit and there’s absolutely nothing you can do about it.
No other game has done that for me before.

awwww… i loved teddie :(

and you can turn his narration off, in the option menu, ya know?

awwww… i loved teddie :(

and you can turn his narration off, in the option menu, ya know?

So many yellow gamestop stickers!!!

Why don’t you take those off spoony?
It’s not hard just take your time and your good to go.

I can’t stand stickers on my games.

So many yellow gamestop stickers!!!

Why don’t you take those off spoony?
It’s not hard just take your time and your good to go.

I can’t stand stickers on my games.

Okay, I finished watching it. The fast travel system is pretty cool-and at first I thought of saying something about how much hardcore gamers HATE fast travel systems in games (i.e. Oblivion/Fallout 3)-but that really doesn’t apply to Persona 4 because the complaints are centered around a couple of things that don’t apply to P4 where fast travel only takes place between relatively safe locations and the paths you’d have to get to them are fairly linear-there’s not much really to be explored and there’s no enemies you’d be skipping over by using it.
Anyway, I’m kinda hoping you’ll do another vlog when and if you beat the game just to share your thoughts on the experience overall-oh and I DEFINITELY would like to hear your thoughts on the second ending (or is it the third?) and how ludicrously redundant the events that take place in the second final dungeon are to the first.

Okay, I finished watching it. The fast travel system is pretty cool-and at first I thought of saying something about how much hardcore gamers HATE fast travel systems in games (i.e. Oblivion/Fallout 3)-but that really doesn’t apply to Persona 4 because the complaints are centered around a couple of things that don’t apply to P4 where fast travel only takes place between relatively safe locations and the paths you’d have to get to them are fairly linear-there’s not much really to be explored and there’s no enemies you’d be skipping over by using it.
Anyway, I’m kinda hoping you’ll do another vlog when and if you beat the game just to share your thoughts on the experience overall-oh and I DEFINITELY would like to hear your thoughts on the second ending (or is it the third?) and how ludicrously redundant the events that take place in the second final dungeon are to the first.

Why Persona 4 is awesome:

http://i585.photobucket.com/albums/ss297/buuminwonderland/Persona%203%20y%204/Persona_4___Twilight_by_UltimaWeapo.jpg

Why Persona 4 is awesome:

http://i585.photobucket.com/albums/ss297/buuminwonderland/Persona%203%20y%204/Persona_4___Twilight_by_UltimaWeapo.jpg

Dragon Age? 30 hours? Hahaha…haha…yeah I’ve been playing for 55 and I’m still not done yet. And that’s with only the character sidequests and the DLCs. This game is more like hundreds.

But a Japanese game longer than 20 hours? Impressive. Most impressive.

Dragon Age? 30 hours? Hahaha…haha…yeah I’ve been playing for 55 and I’m still not done yet. And that’s with only the character sidequests and the DLCs. This game is more like hundreds.

But a Japanese game longer than 20 hours? Impressive. Most impressive.

A) Yeah, Nyx is a son of a bitch.
B) Oh my god, I CANNOT wait to see your reaction to Shadow Kanji. I hated his shadow form, but he was so hilariously stereotypically gay I laughed my ass off.

A) Yeah, Nyx is a son of a bitch.
B) Oh my god, I CANNOT wait to see your reaction to Shadow Kanji. I hated his shadow form, but he was so hilariously stereotypically gay I laughed my ass off.

Hmm…

Finished the video. But, I have to disagree with this:

”you have to do a shitload of leveling”

That is simply not true. The huge amount of options in the velvet room ensure that grinding is never necessary. I am not an rpgmaster nor am I a huge SMT whore, but, I was never forced to grind in P4 once. Or use a guide for that matter. Actually, when an RPG starts requiring grinding I ussualy just don’t play it.

You do know Spoony that fighting tougher enemies grants more EXP ? as long as you don’t avoid fighting too much you should knock the shit out of shadow Yukiko. I was level 14 when I fought her.

Again: my pussy ass fuckin’ hated nocturnce because it was so unimaginably hard. So, I’m not really that good at these sort of games. Just keep this in mind, Spoony:

When you get your ass kicked: Go fuse something good.

I finished P3 in 79 hours and P4 in 65 hours for reference.(Also dave wittenberg is extremly talented, I can’t believe you hate Teddie’s unBEARably good performance(sorry))

Nice rack…of games.

Yeah I went there…okay I promise I won’t do another joke like that again.

Nice rack…of games.

Yeah I went there…okay I promise I won’t do another joke like that again.

Nice rack…of games.

Yeah I went there…okay I promise I won’t do another joke like that again.

YES! Finally somebody sees the relation between Persona and Pokemon. Thank you Spoony!

YES! Finally somebody sees the relation between Persona and Pokemon. Thank you Spoony!

Keep at it Spoony, the game only gets better from there. Also, I have to agree that Persona 4 is a better game in comparison to Persona 3, I find, as you said, the characters to much more tolerable and even likable in some cases.

youll love the game even more spoony thats for sure
when you get to shadow kanji and the one after him those to were hard and disturbing youll know why soon enough.

Keep at it Spoony, the game only gets better from there. Also, I have to agree that Persona 4 is a better game in comparison to Persona 3, I find, as you said, the characters to much more tolerable and even likable in some cases.

I haven’t played this yet, but I’m waiting for my import copy.
I trust your opinions, Spoony, so I’m looking forward to it, but
in all honesty, I would play ANY turn-based RPG. Good or bad. There’s just nothing like
grinding away for hoooours at a time.

Nice to see you looking so up-beat these days. Things going well?

I haven’t played this yet, but I’m waiting for my import copy.
I trust your opinions, Spoony, so I’m looking forward to it, but
in all honesty, I would play ANY turn-based RPG. Good or bad. There’s just nothing like
grinding away for hoooours at a time.

Nice to see you looking so up-beat these days. Things going well?

Yeah, you were right, the first SMT game was Famicon in 88 I wanna say.

Also, you should check out the Japanese VA for Teddie if you haven’t already. Actually the Japanese VA for Rise is worse (imo), but still bad.

Was thinking bout my forum post though, why I said that shadow Yukiko wasn’t hard was cause I beat the game before, and I knew what the last bosses were, and meh, yeah, I stand by my Yukiko = not hard thing.

That’s awesome you like this game, Spoony. I can’t wait to hear your thoughts as you get farther along.

Remember, you can actually defend to protect your against your weakness. I know I completely forgot about that for over half of the game even though they make it a point to tell you you can do that at the beginning of the game…

That’s awesome you like this game, Spoony. I can’t wait to hear your thoughts as you get farther along.

Remember, you can actually defend to protect your against your weakness. I know I completely forgot about that for over half of the game even though they make it a point to tell you you can do that at the beginning of the game…

Nice to see you decided to do a “full” review on this. I just got P4 about 2 weeks ago and I love it. I’m already about to finish it with the true ending.

Oh, and eventually you won’t have to listen to Teddie anymore. After you finish the third dungeon, he gets replaced by someone else and becomes a playable party member. Kinda like how Fuuka replaced Mitsuru in P3.

Also, if an enemy keeps hitting your weakness, instead of using resist spells, you could just have them guard. It prevents them from getting knocked down as well as reducing damage.

For those stickers on your Gamestop games-might I suggest Goo Gone? lol

I think they still make them in spray bottles-basically take off the sticker as carefully as you can and if there’s any residual gunk on it you can take out the insert, use Goo Gone to work whatever’s left off the box, wait for the liquid to dry, then put the insert back in. Usually though when you first get it from the store and depending on how long it’s been sitting on the shelf the sticker is usually easier to peel off the more recently it was put on the box.

Another thing I just remembered. I actually pre-ordered P4 and got the special art book and everything. I kinda wish I’d pre-ordered the special Social Link pack from Amazon.com though because now it’s being sold on e-bay (and Amazon.com for that matter) for ridiculous amounts of money considering when it was first out the social link set only cost about $30 I think.

Spoony, were you using a guide for P3? If so that’s probably why you didnt enjoy it. The game does indeed become a chore if you’re focused on getting EVERYTHING on your very first playthrough. And quitting when you got to the Hanged Man boss was a TERRIBLE move since after that is where the game really starts to shine. Nobody is Out of Character in The Answer either,and you failed to realize this since you either didnt pay attention or skipped straight ahead to the Final Cutscenes of the game.

I can’t agree with you on P4 having a better story neither….Perhaps because i’ve already completed the game and know things you dont,but I found it worse than P3′s. Borderlining on stupid at times too. But yeah it’s a real shame you didnt like P3.

Glad to see you loved Persona 4, I would’ve hated to hear you tear it a new one. But don’t worry about Teddie, you get a new support character very soon after you save Kanji. Kanji’s dungeon is hilarious but when you get to the end and hear his reasoning and his inner struggles it makes sense and it’s sad in a way that he’s struggling so much, and its not the obvious struggle of his sexuality it’s more complicated than that.

Kanji is so freaking awesome though.

Be sure to replay the dungeons right after you beat the shadow character boss, there’s an optional boss at the end, you get the leveling plus once you win you get a really good weapon for that character, i.e. Yukiko’s castle opinional boss will give you a new fan for Yukiko because this game no lie rapes your wallet. Persona’s cost a shit load so be very careful about fusing them and collecting them after battles. The weapons store is ususally a rip off and you can do fine with lower class weapons for a while. But I never really had a problem with the bosses in this game, just don’t avoid any of the smaller enemies on floors, you need that exp and it mimimizes any hardcore grinding you might have to do for some of the better personas later on in the game.

I love how in this game you see more friendship between the cast instead of tolerance between characters. Your uncle and cousin are really great characters too. It’s just all around a huge huge improvement over P4, you don’t have to deal with the summer slump in this game like you did with P3, you have more leniant social links, jobs, shorter dungeons, and a lot of comedy. Not too mention the story gets wicked awesome as you progress. Nothing is ever as it seems and it’s always cool to be playing it a second time and seeing the foreshadowing the game gives you in the very beginning. I was kind of bummed that I guessed who the main villain was right away and was right but it was a great ride and I’ve played the game about 2-3 times no complaints.

For those stickers on your Gamestop games-might I suggest Goo Gone? lol

I think they still make them in spray bottles-basically take off the sticker as carefully as you can and if there’s any residual gunk on it you can take out the insert, use Goo Gone to work whatever’s left off the box, wait for the liquid to dry, then put the insert back in. Usually though when you first get it from the store and depending on how long it’s been sitting on the shelf the sticker is usually easier to peel off the more recently it was put on the box.

Another thing I just remembered. I actually pre-ordered P4 and got the special art book and everything. I kinda wish I’d pre-ordered the special Social Link pack from Amazon.com though because now it’s being sold on e-bay (and Amazon.com for that matter) for ridiculous amounts of money considering when it was first out the social link set only cost about $30 I think.

Glad to see you loved Persona 4, I would’ve hated to hear you tear it a new one. But don’t worry about Teddie, you get a new support character very soon after you save Kanji. Kanji’s dungeon is hilarious but when you get to the end and hear his reasoning and his inner struggles it makes sense and it’s sad in a way that he’s struggling so much, and its not the obvious struggle of his sexuality it’s more complicated than that.

Kanji is so freaking awesome though.

Be sure to replay the dungeons right after you beat the shadow character boss, there’s an optional boss at the end, you get the leveling plus once you win you get a really good weapon for that character, i.e. Yukiko’s castle opinional boss will give you a new fan for Yukiko because this game no lie rapes your wallet. Persona’s cost a shit load so be very careful about fusing them and collecting them after battles. The weapons store is ususally a rip off and you can do fine with lower class weapons for a while. But I never really had a problem with the bosses in this game, just don’t avoid any of the smaller enemies on floors, you need that exp and it mimimizes any hardcore grinding you might have to do for some of the better personas later on in the game.

I love how in this game you see more friendship between the cast instead of tolerance between characters. Your uncle and cousin are really great characters too. It’s just all around a huge huge improvement over P4, you don’t have to deal with the summer slump in this game like you did with P3, you have more leniant social links, jobs, shorter dungeons, and a lot of comedy. Not too mention the story gets wicked awesome as you progress. Nothing is ever as it seems and it’s always cool to be playing it a second time and seeing the foreshadowing the game gives you in the very beginning. I was kind of bummed that I guessed who the main villain was right away and was right but it was a great ride and I’ve played the game about 2-3 times no complaints.

Teddy gets replaced later in the game after you meet Rise so you can choose not to use him

Yeah, Shadow Yukiko did annoy me too (although, did you know that Guarding will defend against your weakness?). I didn’t have much trouble with her because I left the dungeon as soon as I reached her and return the next day to finish her so I was at full Health. However, I did pretty much wait until the last minute to save her (I think the very next day was the deadline). As for Teddie, just wait he will be replaced by another less annoying character narrating the battle… Unfortunately for you, Teddie will then be able to join your party.

Yeah, Shadow Yukiko did annoy me too (although, did you know that Guarding will defend against your weakness?). I didn’t have much trouble with her because I left the dungeon as soon as I reached her and return the next day to finish her so I was at full Health. However, I did pretty much wait until the last minute to save her (I think the very next day was the deadline). As for Teddie, just wait he will be replaced by another less annoying character narrating the battle… Unfortunately for you, Teddie will then be able to join your party.

you want a hard rpg try patapon 2 or any of the mega man battle network series I spent like an hour on one boss in patapon 2 and when I finally beat it it turns out I had only gotten halfway through the game, and after a straight w eek of playing I had finally beat the game and it turns out I was playing on easy mode. and I have beaten every mega man classic game with less trouble, but patapon 2 is still an amazing game and i haven’t put it down yet.

Good review Spoony. The same thing happened to me with persona 3, the story was so stagnant and and particularly uninteresting in most respects, and continually having to grind and go throughout that same damn tower just got maddening. Persona 4 i also seemed to have stopped about 10 hours in too, but did like how the dungeons were separated and shared different themes. I guess its time to bust it back out and see where it takes me. Fuck Teddy though. i hate that prissy bag of nothingness? whatever. good day

Good review Spoony. The same thing happened to me with persona 3, the story was so stagnant and and particularly uninteresting in most respects, and continually having to grind and go throughout that same damn tower just got maddening. Persona 4 i also seemed to have stopped about 10 hours in too, but did like how the dungeons were separated and shared different themes. I guess its time to bust it back out and see where it takes me. Fuck Teddy though. i hate that prissy bag of nothingness? whatever. good day

yeah teddy does join your party but you don’t have to use him hehe

Don’t worry about teddy so much, while he might not grow on you, he gets a bit more tolerable later on and he’ll stop narrating the battles down the line.

Don’t worry about teddy so much, while he might not grow on you, he gets a bit more tolerable later on and he’ll stop narrating the battles down the line.

I am on void quest and god do I hate that boss. I am in the middle of beating it right now, but really. It is one thing when a minor bad guy has a instant death spell because you can kill it quickly or run, but when a BOSS has a death spell is when I get pissed! Nice to hear spoony’s opinion on the game, and don’t worry about teddy much longer, but he can be “entertaining” at times. I hate his bear puns though. I hate them so much… I do like the one part outside the T.V. with him though. XD Pretty boy.

Persona 4 is definitely a cool game, one of my favorite RPGs out there.

You do have to level grind a bit, but they sort of fix it from P3 so that you don’t have to do it nearly as much, especially if you clear enough enemies while traveling through the stages on the first run. You may not have noticed yet, but there’s another problem from P3 that P4 fixes brilliantly. In P3, your main character would eventually out-level the others by 10 or 20 levels because if you switch between them regularly, he always gains more experience. P4, on the other hand, uses a scaling system to drop experience gain as you level up. This prevents you from out-leveling the game too quickly and also keeps your other characters from dropping more than 5 or so levels below the main character (since lower level characters gain more XP and catch up faster).

If you’re only on the second stage, there’s still a lot of game ahead. Could you make another vlog when you finish playing? Interested to hear your thoughts after completion.

Persona 4 is definitely a cool game, one of my favorite RPGs out there.

You do have to level grind a bit, but they sort of fix it from P3 so that you don’t have to do it nearly as much, especially if you clear enough enemies while traveling through the stages on the first run. You may not have noticed yet, but there’s another problem from P3 that P4 fixes brilliantly. In P3, your main character would eventually out-level the others by 10 or 20 levels because if you switch between them regularly, he always gains more experience. P4, on the other hand, uses a scaling system to drop experience gain as you level up. This prevents you from out-leveling the game too quickly and also keeps your other characters from dropping more than 5 or so levels below the main character (since lower level characters gain more XP and catch up faster).

If you’re only on the second stage, there’s still a lot of game ahead. Could you make another vlog when you finish playing? Interested to hear your thoughts after completion.

^ Please mark your spoilers :(

I guess, spoony, you could use a bit of a guideline. I’ll post my levels here so that when you lose you can check back here and see if you were underleveled:

Dungeon 1(Yukiko): LV 14
Dungeon 2(current):LV 24
Dungeon 3: LV 33
Dungeon 4:LV 44(MAKE BLACK FROST HE IS EXCELLENT)
Dungeon 5: LV 55
Dungeon 6:LV 63
Dungeon 7:LV 75
Dungeon 8:LV 81

I have a good memory:)

I’ve checked some FAQs and for the most parts My level is pretty close to what people reccomend. In some cases I ‘m even a bit higher.

Ah yes Teddie, if you played or changed the voice to Japanese his voice is not high pitched and more well it not annoying in Japanese, also his name is Kuma in the Japan version.

Anyway yeh level grinding was a piss take in Persona 3.

Ah yes Teddie, if you played or changed the voice to Japanese his voice is not high pitched and more well it not annoying in Japanese, also his name is Kuma in the Japan version.

Anyway yeh level grinding was a piss take in Persona 3.

Spoony, I IMPLORE you to finish Persona 4. Sure I’m just a fanboy, but it really would be fantastic to hear about you going through all that.

Spoony, if you think Teddie’s annoying….hahahaha. You’re going to wish you could have him back later.

Spoony, if you think Teddie’s annoying….hahahaha. You’re going to wish you could have him back later.

I’ve wanted to play games like P4 but I dont own a PS2, just a PS3. I actually like wasting time grinding levels to beat an uber boss. I feel like I worked hard to get where I am and its rewarding. I do have a question for you Noah (not sure if you read these comments) but are you going to make a vlog about the new movie The Road? I’ve seen some trailers for it and it looks phenomenal.

Does anyone have issues with the Min svävare är full med ålar.-thingie too ?
Its annoying as hell, that it starts itself everytime I visit the site
very strange…

Does anyone have issues with the Min svävare är full med ålar.-thingie too ?
Its annoying as hell, that it starts itself everytime I visit the site
very strange…

For whoever is curious how Incubus looks check out the link megamitensei.wikia.com/wiki/Incubus/ . People will be curios so I limited the headache. :P

On a serious note I also gave up on Persona 4 but I it was pretty early, although damn that game really put you first in the story and I think and hour or two into it you started fighting. Yes the battle system is pretty classic turn-based and good for that but what annoyed me about the game was that you weren’t free to do your own thing. The day system made me regret playing it and I didn’t like it because I like to level-up my characters in battles not doing menial jobs and deciding one day to study and the other day to do sports. That’s me an old-school turn-based RPG fan that played Xenogears, Final Fantasy 7 and 8, Terranigma, Tales of Phantasia, Legend of Legaia, Granstream Saga and those games I like them that they have a story to tell and you just have to battle to get through it and play mini-games. In this game I had to watch over how I socialized with the characters how I socialized so they don’t chicken out of battle or they refuse to help me in some way, I had to be very careful on what day and what time it was so I could go to the strange room and get a special monster or fusion I forgot.

Spoony if you really are a fan of Turn-based and Strategy RPG I recommend you The Last Remnant for the PC, of course. That game is pretty awesome and the story and universe they created is really engrossing.

please please please PLEASE SPOONY before you face the boss of the bath-house, record your reaction for us PLEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAASE

I hate the bosses for the persona games. I didn’t start having trouble with the bosses until I have to face Shadow Kanji. Shadow Kanji is a beast look out for him. Also some of the optional bosses can ruin you day. I think I’ve sent the controller flying several times. I mean Kanji’s shadow almost made me quit the game lol no joke. Teddie is kinda annoying but I think he has some of the funniest one liners our of the characters and all the bad bear puns make me laugh. There is one thing in that game that is more annoying then Teddie. That is the music in the velvet room. I would end up spending like 20 or more minutes in that room trying to make a stronger persona or one with certain abilities with that music on loop. I wanted to take a drill to my ears and I can’t be the only one who has felt that way.

please please please PLEASE SPOONY before you face the boss of the bath-house, record your reaction for us PLEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAASE

Yeah the boss fights in P3 are hard. Sleeping Table will rip your team to shreds in a few turns if you are not prepared. As for the last boss, yes he takes a VERY long to kill. The worst part is his final phase which has the highest hp total and can confuse your team with attack, Night Queen. If he confuses your team and they end up using Mediarahan on him, healing him BACK TO FULL HEALTH. It didn’t happen to me, but I would have shut the game off right there.

Try not to let Teddie get to you, he becomes a more likable as the game goes on. Also like in P3, you get a new supporter character after a certain point in the game. Trust me, you will like the replacement.

The bosses in the game. If they are attacking you or your teams weaknesses MAKE THEM DEFEND!!! If you do this the boss will NOT get an extra turn. Unlike most RPGs, defending at the right time can make or break a battle, don’t be afraid to use it to cover a elemental weakness. In the long run, the boss getting an extra turn to nail your team with Ma- spell will be a lot worse than having a character defend and not do anything.

I’m glad you are enjoying P4, it’s probably my favorite RPG of all time. Since you gave up on P3, you may want to search youtube and watch video of the Persona 3 secret boss fight. It’s pretty entertaining.

Yeah the boss fights in P3 are hard. Sleeping Table will rip your team to shreds in a few turns if you are not prepared. As for the last boss, yes he takes a VERY long to kill. The worst part is his final phase which has the highest hp total and can confuse your team with attack, Night Queen. If he confuses your team and they end up using Mediarahan on him, healing him BACK TO FULL HEALTH. It didn’t happen to me, but I would have shut the game off right there.

Try not to let Teddie get to you, he becomes a more likable as the game goes on. Also like in P3, you get a new supporter character after a certain point in the game. Trust me, you will like the replacement.

The bosses in the game. If they are attacking you or your teams weaknesses MAKE THEM DEFEND!!! If you do this the boss will NOT get an extra turn. Unlike most RPGs, defending at the right time can make or break a battle, don’t be afraid to use it to cover a elemental weakness. In the long run, the boss getting an extra turn to nail your team with Ma- spell will be a lot worse than having a character defend and not do anything.

I’m glad you are enjoying P4, it’s probably my favorite RPG of all time. Since you gave up on P3, you may want to search youtube and watch video of the Persona 3 secret boss fight. It’s pretty entertaining.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VDvgL58h_Y <— The epic power of the spoon!

Your comment about balls bustingly hard boss fights reminded me; Are you going to play/review Demon’s Souls?

Your comment about balls bustingly hard boss fights reminded me; Are you going to play/review Demon’s Souls?

I think I read somewhere that Teddie’s voice actor is the same guy who did Sponge Bob. That would explain it. :D

So hanging out with friends you don’t want to? Sounds like GTA IV syndrome.

So hanging out with friends you don’t want to? Sounds like GTA IV syndrome.

Persona 4 really surprised me on just how much it improved the gameplay from P3.

I dropped P3 after about the halfway point, mainly because some bosses make you hate the fact that your AI allies are as dumb as a sack of crap.

I remember having some difficulty with Shadow Yukiko, but just wait, she’s a cake walk in comparison to what comes in the next few dungeons…

on a side note, after you level up a bit, go back to the Castle for a secret boss… and a cool weapon

Trust me, once Rise replaces Teddie as narrator, you’ll BEG for Teddie to go back on the narrating part.

I have this game. Played it last month. Got up to, and gave up on…. Shadow Yokiko

On some other notes. I hate the music. Starts off okay/good, but it loops all inside of a minute. Fuck thaaaaaaaaat.

Trust me, once Rise replaces Teddie as narrator, you’ll BEG for Teddie to go back on the narrating part.

@Pocky

Not really. Shadow Yukiko is widely considerd to be the most difficult boss, I myself consider her to be the 2nd most difficult.

(I myself consider Dungeon 3 to be the most thoughest, but that may be because I had really crappy Persona at the time)

@Pocky

Not really. Shadow Yukiko is widely considerd to be the most difficult boss, I myself consider her to be the 2nd most difficult.

(I myself consider Dungeon 3 to be the most thoughest, but that may be because I had really crappy Persona at the time)

Spoony. I’m not gonna spoil things, but be prepared in the Gay Dungeon to face a foe that will test your DESTRUCITY.

Yeah, for what is worth, Dragon Age Origins is only 30 hours long if you just go to the main quests, and I mean rushing through the main quests. It takes almost the double amount of time to do secondary missions and focus a bit on the lore of the world. I’m just saying this because it took me completely by surprise your statement. It’s like you’re the only guy who I’ve met that has beat the game in so short time. Watching the video again you haven’t actually finished it yet.

Anyhow, if you could do a review on DAo, that would be great. And for the record, don’t rush DAO, the experience is totally worth it.

Yeah, for what is worth, Dragon Age Origins is only 30 hours long if you just go to the main quests, and I mean rushing through the main quests. It takes almost the double amount of time to do secondary missions and focus a bit on the lore of the world. I’m just saying this because it took me completely by surprise your statement. It’s like you’re the only guy who I’ve met that has beat the game in so short time. Watching the video again you haven’t actually finished it yet.

Anyhow, if you could do a review on DAo, that would be great. And for the record, don’t rush DAO, the experience is totally worth it.

~also on another side note:

I’m interested in P3P (Persona 3 Portable) for the PSP

you can control your allies, play as a girl, and all that pointless walking is ditched for some 2D point click style areas.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shin_Megami_Tensei:_Persona_3#Persona_3_Portable
http://megamitensei.wikia.com/wiki/Persona_3_Portable

It looks to be a vast improvement from the original, and maybe I can finally beat The Hangman without ripping my hair out…

I noticed your castleton shirt, either you went to the college or it’s a Time Chasers reference.

I liked Persona 4… However, and maybe its because I tended to play the game in really long increments, I noticed a bunch of continuity errors which really bugged me. For example, the boss shadows apear when the person says something along the lines of “No, you’re not me” or the like. The game kinda stretched that when at one point the shadow rationalized and was like “So basically you’re saying…” but I remember at one point there is no “You’re not me” nor was there rationalization it just kinda appeared. Maybe I wasn’t paying attention. Trying not to mention any names for those who didn’t play. Also when you get to the point where P4 somewhat connects to P3, in the whole Silent Hill with Silent Hill 3 sort of way, what happens during pretty much renders the story of P3 non existent and removes P3′s main character from continuity. But again, maybe I wasn’t paying close enough attention. Really though I liked Persona 4, those things just kinda stuck out to me.

@haha

holy shit, really?

damn, I had more trouble with the ‘RPG’ boss then her

I’ve died multiple times to all bosses except her… odd, maybe I was just over-leveled or something…

I liked Persona 4… However, and maybe its because I tended to play the game in really long increments, I noticed a bunch of continuity errors which really bugged me. For example, the boss shadows apear when the person says something along the lines of “No, you’re not me” or the like. The game kinda stretched that when at one point the shadow rationalized and was like “So basically you’re saying…” but I remember at one point there is no “You’re not me” nor was there rationalization it just kinda appeared. Maybe I wasn’t paying attention. Trying not to mention any names for those who didn’t play. Also when you get to the point where P4 somewhat connects to P3, in the whole Silent Hill with Silent Hill 3 sort of way, what happens during pretty much renders the story of P3 non existent and removes P3′s main character from continuity. But again, maybe I wasn’t paying close enough attention. Really though I liked Persona 4, those things just kinda stuck out to me.

@superking

I actually read that P4 takes place a year or so after P4.

Which is a mindfuck and makes me wonder where the connection really is…

@superking

I actually read that P4 takes place a year or so after P4.

Which is a mindfuck and makes me wonder where the connection really is…

@Pocky

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The only boss I died against in the first place was her(dungeon 3 fight was a close one). I thought the later bosses in the game where a cakewalk compared to Shadow Yukiko.

And once you can Black Frost the RPG boss is easier to kill than a baby hooked up on life-support. Actually, you can literaly finish the game using nothing but Black Frost.

”I’ve died multiple times to all bosses except her… odd, maybe I was just over-leveled or something…”

I think, perhaps, it was because of your Persona? Level is not a very significant factor in the game ,so ,maybe you just didn’t really spend any time visiting the velvet room? I must have spend at least 4 out of my 65 hour playthrough there.

My final main Persona team in the game was: Trumpeter,Yoshitsune, Blackfrost,Odin,Scathach and Loki, BTW

Ya I dont play this game but Ive been watching the playthrough on another site. Spoony hang in there and let us know what you think of the Bad Bad Bathhouse boss (shadow Kanji or whatever his name is). Ya thats a funny boss imo.

Ya I dont play this game but Ive been watching the playthrough on another site. Spoony hang in there and let us know what you think of the Bad Bad Bathhouse boss (shadow Kanji or whatever his name is). Ya thats a funny boss imo.

For someone who is as critical about games, movies etc, I really don’t get why you like Persona so much. I think the games are utter crap (my opinion) The storylines are melodramatic, clichéd, trendy crud, the gameplay is meh and the way the plot moves along: endless textboxes with blabla accompanied by static uninspired character artwork. Could be because I’m an oldschool gamer, but for me this series just another example of those uninspired unimaginative and shallow J-fad games.

No worries, Teddie gets replaced as main analyzer later, and he gains a surprisingly (and almost wanted) nice amount of character towards the ending of the game.

He doesn’t die to get replaced, so no worries; you get to keep your mascot.

No worries, Teddie gets replaced as main analyzer later, and he gains a surprisingly (and almost wanted) nice amount of character towards the ending of the game.

He doesn’t die to get replaced, so no worries; you get to keep your mascot.

Spoony you should do a lets play on Persona 4 it would be legendary and better than FF8 cos you don’t hate it so much

Well, I’m glad you liked Persona 4. Shame P3 didn’t take to you, but so long as you played it, I’m not gonna argue about opinions.

I found the first few bosses in P4 the hardest, but after shadow kanji, things really leveled out for me. I know a lotta people have been saying you should grind when things get hard, but seriously, when things get hard, fuze new personas. This isn’t pokemon in that you DONT just keep leveling these things; you make new ones. I found this game easier than a lotta people seem to have found it thought, so I can’t guarantee anything.

BTW, did you have the ending for Persona 3 spoiled for you? Cuz I think that could’ve made it a lot worse. It seems that no one’s spoiled the true ends for P4 so hopefully things can stay that way.

I’d love to see another vlog when you finish, but even those pics were hilarious. Just keep us updated Spoony!

(slight spoiler: especially at November – important shit goes down that we may be able to help you with)

Well, I’m glad you liked Persona 4. Shame P3 didn’t take to you, but so long as you played it, I’m not gonna argue about opinions.

I found the first few bosses in P4 the hardest, but after shadow kanji, things really leveled out for me. I know a lotta people have been saying you should grind when things get hard, but seriously, when things get hard, fuze new personas. This isn’t pokemon in that you DONT just keep leveling these things; you make new ones. I found this game easier than a lotta people seem to have found it thought, so I can’t guarantee anything.

BTW, did you have the ending for Persona 3 spoiled for you? Cuz I think that could’ve made it a lot worse. It seems that no one’s spoiled the true ends for P4 so hopefully things can stay that way.

I’d love to see another vlog when you finish, but even those pics were hilarious. Just keep us updated Spoony!

(slight spoiler: especially at November – important shit goes down that we may be able to help you with)

I may be out of the loop here, but I thought the Persona 3 bosses were ridiculously short. In fact most of them were 5 minute battles as far as I remember, the strega went down in like 2 minutes tops because they have such little HP. The exception is the last boss who has enough HP for 13 bosses and one or two of the tower bosses because they have some stupidly overpowered resistances, but again if your taking long defeating any story boss before that something’s wrong. It’s not like I level grinded or went out to look for expensive weapons either, natural progression was enough to quickly end fights with story bosses.

If you think the persona games are long, You should see some of the optional bosses of Final Fantasy XII. Yiazmat takes OVER 2 HOURS TO KILL!!! But otherwise you are awesome and probably one of the funniest people online.

If you think the persona games are long, You should see some of the optional bosses of Final Fantasy XII. Yiazmat takes OVER 2 HOURS TO KILL!!! But otherwise you are awesome and probably one of the funniest people online.

Huh, I really haven’t heard a thing about this game ever. Guess I could look at some youtube videos. I really enjoy turn based RPG’s too, once I start one I’m usually engaged enough to want to finish it. Only exception so far being Final Fantasy XII, I really did not enjoy that game at all and couldn’t even bring myself to finish it. And it sounds like a made a good decision based on what discipleofkira just said because that…would have really finished me off.

And to Renee, I’m going to agree with you on alot of these JRPG’s. The last RPG I liked was Lost Odyssey. Games like Tales of Vesperia and Blue Dragon just don’t hit it for me. And from the screenshots previously posted from this game I’m not sure this is my cup of tea either.

Teddy gets replaced by another character for narrating later on.

BTW, would you ever consider doing an LP of this game or any other SMT games when you are done with Ripper?

Teddy gets replaced by another character for narrating later on.

BTW, would you ever consider doing an LP of this game or any other SMT games when you are done with Ripper?

The point of Teddie is to loveably hate him!

He’s replaced by Rise soon off Spoony, don’t worry. He becomes an awesome teammate too, IMO it’s Kanji, Naoto, then Teddie as the best combo except that god damned weakness to thunder.

Yeah yeah, God Hand+Power Charge Chie is awesome, but that’s really late in the game.

It’s one of my favorite games of all time. Not become it’s awesome 100% of the time, but it’s goddamned time consuming and still it manages to be fun. It also has some of my favorite characters as well, they’re all loveable except fucking Yukiko

Stop complaining its easy, if Jeff and Vinny can do it (and they suck) anyone can

Stop complaining its easy, if Jeff and Vinny can do it (and they suck) anyone can

You should just stick with Dragon Age (a much better game in my opinion) and do a vlog of that :p .

My first playthrough clocked 50+ hours and I avoided a lot of sidequests except the important companion specific ones.

http://raidoukuzunoha.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/mara-smt2.png?w=264&h=264 < Mara

Also

HEARTBEAT HEARTBREAK DODODODODO LOLDODOOLOOOO HEARTBEAT HEARTBREAK

http://raidoukuzunoha.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/mara-smt2.png?w=264&h=264 < Mara

Also

HEARTBEAT HEARTBREAK DODODODODO LOLDODOOLOOOO HEARTBEAT HEARTBREAK

glan.you.like.it.spoony

Man, if Shadow Yukiko gave you trouble, Shadow Kanji is going to maul you, Spoony. Anyway, Yukiko wasn’t too hard if you just had Chie guard the for most of the fight. Also, try to fuse a Black Frost as soon as possible. Having that persona around will make much of the game easier for you.

I’m surprised you didn’t bring up the fact that you could control your entire party in P4 in comparison to the AI teammates in P3. I figured that would have been a major factor in you opinion of P4 being better than P3. At any rate, it’s good to see you enjoying the game. I wish I could convince more people to give the Persona series a try. :(

Man, if Shadow Yukiko gave you trouble, Shadow Kanji is going to maul you, Spoony. Anyway, Yukiko wasn’t too hard if you just had Chie guard the for most of the fight. Also, try to fuse a Black Frost as soon as possible. Having that persona around will make much of the game easier for you.

I’m surprised you didn’t bring up the fact that you could control your entire party in P4 in comparison to the AI teammates in P3. I figured that would have been a major factor in you opinion of P4 being better than P3. At any rate, it’s good to see you enjoying the game. I wish I could convince more people to give the Persona series a try. :(

Glad you like the game, but I won’t check it out. I hate most turn-based rpgs, especially if they’re jrpg’s because I also hate anime along with most of pop-culture from Japan.

If you got stuck at the Hanged Man in P3 then you would’ve definitely quit at the next boss. That boss was relatively easy and short compared to the tower bosses that come after that.

Oh, and it’s funny you should use the phrase “doesn’t insult your intelligence” and P4 in the same sentence considering it does so constantly. They keep repeating the same plot points to you over and over because the story really isn’t complicated enough to span the 80 hours it can take to beat the game. Also, the characters are unbelievably dense and can’t put the simplest clues together (except for sometimes when they pluck facts out of thin air). As some people mentioned, there’s a secret ending, so here’s a tip: DO check a guide once you’re getting towards the end game, because to unlock it you need to do some really weird stuff.

The voice acting overall is actually pretty good, especially Kanji’s. And, even if the villain ends up sucking the build-up is actually pretty good. The combat is vastly improved by the fact that you can GIVE COMMANDS TO EVERYONE which, you know, helps. It’s clear that the writer is a kind of weird traditionalist, because there’s plenty of sexist undertones, but it’s kept to acceptable levels for the most part.

Except for the final boss I can’t remember having to grind. I mean, I beat all the enemies that got in my way, but I didn’t go back to kill more of what I can remember. If I had a problem with a boss I made myself a new persona that blocks one of its attacks and went from there. Chie turned out to be a great character, even if she never really gets to be that strong, just because her upgraded persona loses the elemental weakness. Having 2 characters that will always stay safe from knockdown helps a lot.

If you got stuck at the Hanged Man in P3 then you would’ve definitely quit at the next boss. That boss was relatively easy and short compared to the tower bosses that come after that.

Oh, and it’s funny you should use the phrase “doesn’t insult your intelligence” and P4 in the same sentence considering it does so constantly. They keep repeating the same plot points to you over and over because the story really isn’t complicated enough to span the 80 hours it can take to beat the game. Also, the characters are unbelievably dense and can’t put the simplest clues together (except for sometimes when they pluck facts out of thin air). As some people mentioned, there’s a secret ending, so here’s a tip: DO check a guide once you’re getting towards the end game, because to unlock it you need to do some really weird stuff.

The voice acting overall is actually pretty good, especially Kanji’s. And, even if the villain ends up sucking the build-up is actually pretty good. The combat is vastly improved by the fact that you can GIVE COMMANDS TO EVERYONE which, you know, helps. It’s clear that the writer is a kind of weird traditionalist, because there’s plenty of sexist undertones, but it’s kept to acceptable levels for the most part.

Except for the final boss I can’t remember having to grind. I mean, I beat all the enemies that got in my way, but I didn’t go back to kill more of what I can remember. If I had a problem with a boss I made myself a new persona that blocks one of its attacks and went from there. Chie turned out to be a great character, even if she never really gets to be that strong, just because her upgraded persona loses the elemental weakness. Having 2 characters that will always stay safe from knockdown helps a lot.

I really don’t get where people think the remainder of Persona 4′s bosses were “difficult”.

Shadow Yukiko was really the only boss that had me stumped for a bit.

Kanji was ridiculously easy. Void Quest was easy.

I think the only other bosses that killed me were the, uh, normal last boss and secret last boss.

Casting fear on main character followed by 100% death if feared in the same turn is just absolute bullshit.

kinda sounds like Asda Story…anyway Im going to go get GAME OVER tattooed on my knuckles right now bro moohoohahahaha later man >_<

kinda sounds like Asda Story…anyway Im going to go get GAME OVER tattooed on my knuckles right now bro moohoohahahaha later man >_<

i beat shadow yukiko by improving chies attack, lowering yukikos defence, using melee attacks, and basicly doing all i could to keep the main charictar and chie alive

You don’t like Teddy? Although, he can be a little un-BEAR-able sometimes. At least the characters themselves think he’s annoying, too. He does get awesome later. Can’t say much else except keep playing.

You don’t like Teddy? Although, he can be a little un-BEAR-able sometimes. At least the characters themselves think he’s annoying, too. He does get awesome later. Can’t say much else except keep playing.

Man, that blows big time!

I thought that the SpoonyOne would’ve really appreciated the endings to Persona 3: FES (the Journey and the Answer). Oh, well; at least you’re having fun with Persona 4, and found some joy in playing some of the other SMT titles, as well.

Still, he didn’t like Persona 3: my God has forsaken me!!!
(pulls out gun, shoots myself in the head, accidently summons Raiho, because the gun was actually an evoker, Raiho punches me in the face for acting like a fanboy bitch)

Hhm… Your problem with Persona seems to be the same as me and my friend Hilt with F.E.A.R.. He didn’t like that game because he had no idea what the hell was going on and he let me play about ten minutes worth and I just from that hated it because I had no idea what the hell was going on.

Oh, and you haven’t seen disturbing cod pieces until you’ve played Megaman ZX: Advent and fought Rospark…. Uauaauagh.

And the difficulty thing? Yeah, I ran into that with Devil Survivor, I still haven’t beaten it yet because of the stupid ridiculous last boss marathon that will NOT END!

Hhm… Your problem with Persona seems to be the same as me and my friend Hilt with F.E.A.R.. He didn’t like that game because he had no idea what the hell was going on and he let me play about ten minutes worth and I just from that hated it because I had no idea what the hell was going on.

Oh, and you haven’t seen disturbing cod pieces until you’ve played Megaman ZX: Advent and fought Rospark…. Uauaauagh.

And the difficulty thing? Yeah, I ran into that with Devil Survivor, I still haven’t beaten it yet because of the stupid ridiculous last boss marathon that will NOT END!

Dragon Age took me 80 hours doing everything.

At least you get someone else after a while…hate teddy.

At least you get someone else after a while…hate teddy.

Oh god, you’re doomed, Spoony. Teddie is the BEARable one. (Please don’t hurt me!) He will be replaced later.

You will pray for Teddy’s voice.

Kanji! I like poor Kanji. There’s moments where I want to punch some of the characters, but I do like poor Kanji pretty consistently. He’s a really believable character.

The boss/monster/dungeon design is REALLY incredible. I mean, they’re all increasingly detailed and nuanced subversive demons from these kids’ heads. Dear god, do they ever get messed up. Watching the Giant Bomb Let’s Play Endurance Run alone… was… an experience.

It usually helps to get out monsterthings that have good heals and defend against fire. (Shadow Yukiko specific there). And it soooo gets worse, but once you get the idea, you can work it out. At the very least, there are reasons to farm previous dungeons… getting stuff to make stuff/personas, extra bosses.

P4 is a really fun game its extremelly psychoanalytical. It really attaches you to the characters and makes you feel emotional about the whole thing. But dont worry spoony your frustations with teddie will soon be relieved when you get to horribly wound teddie later.

P4 is a really fun game its extremelly psychoanalytical. It really attaches you to the characters and makes you feel emotional about the whole thing. But dont worry spoony your frustations with teddie will soon be relieved when you get to horribly wound teddie later.

*yaaaaaaaaaawn*

Storywise, I beg you to attempt getting the true ending. It’s really hard, but it will explain so much in the story once you do it.

Storywise, I beg you to attempt getting the true ending. It’s really hard, but it will explain so much in the story once you do it.

If you think Yukiko was a bit just wait, The gay Kanji is hard, and one boss is unbeatable!

I actually didn’t find Shadow Yukiko that bad… the ones after her though are pretty intense though. I actually like the difficulty in the game mostly because the bosses actually required some form of strategy. Most of the time, when I play a “hard” RPG, it means that you need to have one specialized healer to heal you every turn and just try to outlast the boss. Or in the case of Persona 3, they just spam a certain attack and/or move that once you know how to counter the move they lose their fangs. I really can’t go into detail without spoiling things, but the game features probably one of my favorite normal boss fights in an RPG, partially because I find it to be legitmatly balls-to-the-wall hard and the boss itself is just awesome.

I actually didn’t find Shadow Yukiko that bad… the ones after her though are pretty intense though. I actually like the difficulty in the game mostly because the bosses actually required some form of strategy. Most of the time, when I play a “hard” RPG, it means that you need to have one specialized healer to heal you every turn and just try to outlast the boss. Or in the case of Persona 3, they just spam a certain attack and/or move that once you know how to counter the move they lose their fangs. I really can’t go into detail without spoiling things, but the game features probably one of my favorite normal boss fights in an RPG, partially because I find it to be legitmatly balls-to-the-wall hard and the boss itself is just awesome.

As alot of commentors have pointed out, Teddie won’t be your “codec guy” for much longer. And yes, he is a bit annoying where you’re at now, but his character developes very well over the course of the game. Heck that’s part of what makes P4 so good, its complex character developement.

One thing, I highly reccomend using a walkthrough for the social links, especially because two of them have a time limit of when you can complete them. Trust me, completing all the social links in this game makes the true ending all the more satisfying (and don’t worry, our MC won’t pull a Jesus this time). Unfortunately this is where we come to the most annoying part of the game, the dependency on Souji’s condition to progress the social links. You’re going to have to have Souji eat at that restaraunt on rainy days, read tons of books, study, etc. so his intelligence, bravery, and all that is high enough for the social links, and that’s a bitch.

On a side note, you’ll be glad you’re familiar with P3 since you’ll see some events later on that reference the game. Also you find out something interesting after fighting Margaret (you’ll have to do a New Game + to access the fight though, so I reccomend youtube after you complete Margaret’s social link).

One last thing, you think Shadow Yukiko’s going to be tough, wait till the boss fight for the next character’s dungeon (after Kanji’s) where you have to fight that character’s shadow and immediately after, Teddie’s Shadow. And there’s even tougher bosses after that (grins evilly). I hope you’re playing easy mode my friend.

Well, don’t worry about Teddie. Your problems with him will be rectified soonish (well, the next dungeon). You’ll get a new Mission Person to annoy you and Teddie himself gets some character depth… Then again you’ll also soon find another reason to hate him.

Well, don’t worry about Teddie. Your problems with him will be rectified soonish (well, the next dungeon). You’ll get a new Mission Person to annoy you and Teddie himself gets some character depth… Then again you’ll also soon find another reason to hate him.

If I were you Spoony, I’d pick up Persona 2: Eternal Punishment for Playstation 1 (They never have translated Persona 2: Innocent Sin, so it is japanese only, but they ported the sequel in english). Why does it rock? It uses the old demon contract system where you can negotiate with your enemies for one. The story is immediately engaging with the villanous Joker going around murdering people and you trying to stop him with interesting characters like Maya as a reporter and Katsuya as a cop investigating the Joker’s crimes who actually have motives to be interested in the game’s plot. Another big reason is the time issue. As a turn-based RPG it is really long, but this bad boy has Quick Save, so you can save anywhere at anytime. If you like Persona and hate losing time, Persona 2 is a really good one to play. Persona 1 is a little dated on Playstation 1, and is kind of a time sink at this point, since it uses a save point system. I still found the game’s plot and characters to be very interesting, but it has a weird first person dungeon style (mercifully it has an automap) and is antiquated at this point. One thing I found interesting in Persona 1 was the enemy demons seemed to fit the locations, like Zombie Nurses at the hospital or Zombie Cops at the police station which was a nice DnD touch of monster fitting the area.

Dragon Age 30 hours?!?!?!?!?!

I’m 20% done (according to the menu thing)

28 hours in…

Dragon Age 30 hours?!?!?!?!?!

I’m 20% done (according to the menu thing)

28 hours in…

You’re going to love Mitsuo’s Shadow.

You know who Teddie reminds me of? He actually reminds me a lot of Dogan from Psychonauts. He looks a hell of a lot like him and from a few clips I’ve seen (haven’t played it yet, but I plan to) he sort of acts a little like him too. From what I can tell though, Teddie talks a lot more than Dogan ever did.

You know who Teddie reminds me of? He actually reminds me a lot of Dogan from Psychonauts. He looks a hell of a lot like him and from a few clips I’ve seen (haven’t played it yet, but I plan to) he sort of acts a little like him too. From what I can tell though, Teddie talks a lot more than Dogan ever did.

I saw the Persona 4 review on Gametrailers, and I *KNEW* My mom would love it.

And she did.

It’s an awesome game, but everything you said is right, good or bad.

I hated that when your main character dies it’s game over.

I hope when you finish the game you give a final report on your thoughts on it, it sounds like your scratching the surface if your up to Kanji’s level right now.

I would recommend doing some level grinding after you take down Shadow Kanji in the next “level.” Essentially, you will fight tough bosses yes, but they are totally manageable if you get your level to…I think 25-30ish at this stage. Whatever level your persona’s are now…it should be about 5 levels higher as a rule of thumb for a dungeon. But yeah, it should be a good time.

And please, PLEASE report back on the game in the future, it’s the best RPG I have played in years, and trust me, that is saying something. It’s better than most modern day Final Fantasies.

I hope when you finish the game you give a final report on your thoughts on it, it sounds like your scratching the surface if your up to Kanji’s level right now.

I would recommend doing some level grinding after you take down Shadow Kanji in the next “level.” Essentially, you will fight tough bosses yes, but they are totally manageable if you get your level to…I think 25-30ish at this stage. Whatever level your persona’s are now…it should be about 5 levels higher as a rule of thumb for a dungeon. But yeah, it should be a good time.

And please, PLEASE report back on the game in the future, it’s the best RPG I have played in years, and trust me, that is saying something. It’s better than most modern day Final Fantasies.

I saw the Persona 4 review on Gametrailers, and I *KNEW* My mom would love it. So I bought it for her.

The game is a lot easier to manage once you get the fox on your team, because you can spend hours and hours levelling..

And Shadow Yukiko’s not as bad as the upcoming gay boss.. The only reason Shadow Yukiko is annoying is because her dungeon is quite small and you’re new to the game, so you haven’t levelled up as much as you could.. The real challenge, if you want to master some of your social links, is to beat her whole dungeon and her in a single day – considering you can’t heal your SP from the Fox at that point, that’s quite difficult… but if you’re about level 16, you shouldn’t have a problem at all with Shadow Yukiko.

Every boss in that game is a nailbitingly difficult when you first get to it, because the game requires a lot of grinding, and the bosses reflect that… you will NEVER be an appropriate level the first time you reach any given boss

Spoony, glad to hear that you are enjoying this game. Just do me a favor: don’t use a guide. Not even for social links. You don’t have to max them in one go. And don’t think that P4 is any shorter than P3. My first save ended at around 80 hours. And my second playthrough ended at around 150. Also, I can not agree with you on the grinding. Your level will be fine as long as you don’t just run past enemies and you redo the dungeons for the extra equipment. It’s much more important to have the right pokemon for the bosses. Some well placed buffs and debuffs could save you many hours of grinding.

I wish you luck because you sir have just begun.

Spoony, glad to hear that you are enjoying this game. Just do me a favor: don’t use a guide. Not even for social links. You don’t have to max them in one go. And don’t think that P4 is any shorter than P3. My first save ended at around 80 hours. And my second playthrough ended at around 150. Also, I can not agree with you on the grinding. Your level will be fine as long as you don’t just run past enemies and you redo the dungeons for the extra equipment. It’s much more important to have the right pokemon for the bosses. Some well placed buffs and debuffs could save you many hours of grinding.

I wish you luck because you sir have just begun.

Hey, Spoony have you played Devil Survivor for the DS? I believe it to be one of the best Shin Megami Tensei.

Actually, I’d say Chie’s follow-up attack is more of a roundhouse kick or a punt than a dropkick. And yes, it is the most awesome thing ever! Well, accept maybe the “Beauty” Contest later in the story. It is both hilarious and revolting at once. You’ll know what I’m talking about.

And man, do I wish I could go back and set the difficulty to easy for my second playthrough, because dying all the time and having to level grind makes maxing all the Social Links I missed in the first playthrough a total bitch. Plus, Teddie’s shadow is a douche on medium. I suck a lot, so I have no hope of tackling hard mode and getting past the first real boss. Those Japanese are a bunch of masochists, I swear.

I never beat Persona 3, though I was in the last month. I had played it for over 100 hours. That and the depressing story just put me off finishing it. And now P4 has spoiled me with its efficient battle system, non-frantic dungeons (trying to find the exit before the reaper comes to own you is a pain), and interesting/less-annoying characters/social links, so I probably won’t go back to P3. I also never finished SMT3: Nocturne. I got stuck on the battle with the Moire sisters, to my everlasting shame. They’re like the easiest bosses in the game, how can’t I kill these bitches?!

Actually, I’d say Chie’s follow-up attack is more of a roundhouse kick or a punt than a dropkick. And yes, it is the most awesome thing ever! Well, accept maybe the “Beauty” Contest later in the story. It is both hilarious and revolting at once. You’ll know what I’m talking about.

And man, do I wish I could go back and set the difficulty to easy for my second playthrough, because dying all the time and having to level grind makes maxing all the Social Links I missed in the first playthrough a total bitch. Plus, Teddie’s shadow is a douche on medium. I suck a lot, so I have no hope of tackling hard mode and getting past the first real boss. Those Japanese are a bunch of masochists, I swear.

I never beat Persona 3, though I was in the last month. I had played it for over 100 hours. That and the depressing story just put me off finishing it. And now P4 has spoiled me with its efficient battle system, non-frantic dungeons (trying to find the exit before the reaper comes to own you is a pain), and interesting/less-annoying characters/social links, so I probably won’t go back to P3. I also never finished SMT3: Nocturne. I got stuck on the battle with the Moire sisters, to my everlasting shame. They’re like the easiest bosses in the game, how can’t I kill these bitches?!

Actually, I’d say Chie’s follow-up attack is more of a roundhouse kick or a punt than a dropkick. And yes, it is the most awesome thing ever! Well, accept maybe the “Beauty” Contest later in the story. It is both hilarious and revolting at once. You’ll know what I’m talking about.

And man, do I wish I could go back and set the difficulty to easy for my second playthrough, because dying all the time and having to level grind makes maxing all the Social Links I missed in the first playthrough a total bitch. Plus, Teddie’s shadow is a douche on medium. I suck a lot, so I have no hope of tackling hard mode and getting past the first real boss. Those Japanese are a bunch of masochists, I swear.

I never beat Persona 3, though I was in the last month. I had played it for over 100 hours. That and the depressing story just put me off finishing it. And now P4 has spoiled me with its efficient battle system, non-frantic dungeons (trying to find the exit before the reaper comes to own you is a pain), and interesting/less-annoying characters/social links, so I probably won’t go back to P3. I also never finished SMT3: Nocturne. I got stuck on the battle with the Moire sisters, to my everlasting shame. They’re like the easiest bosses in the game, how can’t I kill these bitches?!

I actually wrote a comparison review for the two games, going over how they differed and which was better (P4, duh), which is on my site. Look under the “Review” tag to look at it and all my other reviews.

Soory for the double post by the way. I forgot to add the shameless plug to the last post, and somehow it ended up like this. Woops.

Soory for the double post by the way. I forgot to add the shameless plug to the last post, and somehow it ended up like this. Woops.

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You may need a guide to get the true ending because you have too meet all of your maxed social links and in the hospital you might get fucked into a bad ending.

Ah, you know what an incubus is, right? It’s a demon that rapes you in your sleep. I didn’t know they had incubi in Japan.
Goody! I like grindfests!

Ah, you know what an incubus is, right? It’s a demon that rapes you in your sleep. I didn’t know they had incubi in Japan.
Goody! I like grindfests!

If you think Teddie’s battle narration is annoying, you’re probably gonna hate even more his upcoming substitute.

One of the things I like about 3 and 4 is that it’s possible to break the game difficulty through certain persona breeding methods. It usually takes 2-4 new game plus playthroughs to achieve them but the rewards are well worth it.

Persona 3 had the Lucifer/Satan super star tag team that deals massive damage to all enemies and 4 has Yoshitsune. While not as overpowered as the former, this one is also easier to get and is still a decent game breaker. His skill, Hassou Tobi, alone is enough to glide you through an entire dungeon even without a party.

I personally like doing these stuff because I find it easier to appreciate 3 and 4′s other features when I’m not bound to constantly do level grinding activities.

Anyway, I hope you enjoy the game. It really gets better and WAY weirder the longer you play through the story. Make sure you pay attention to the little details during the investigation though and not just from the murder mystery. Making the right choices even after you’ve caught the real killer will grant you one last fight and the best ending of the game.

Sorry if anyone’s already posted this, but it’s just too funny not to post:

HAWP: Persona 3
http://www.gametrailers.com/video/persona-3-hawp/44555

Sorry if anyone’s already posted this, but it’s just too funny not to post:

HAWP: Persona 3
http://www.gametrailers.com/video/persona-3-hawp/44555

30 hours for Dragon Age? Maybe if you skip all side quests and/or dialogue. Its more like 50-60 hours for an average playthrough.

Actually the Developers claimed that there was over 120 hours in Dragon Age if you do every side quest and Origin story. I’m about 80 hours in and it’s still going on. However I have been trying to do every little thing, and this is still my first playthrough. That’s not a complaint for me though, so far the game has been worth every bit of the 65 bucks I spent on it (got the special edition). Oh and apparently there’s ALREADY an expansion coming out called “Return to Ostagar” so I don’t think this game will feel dry for content anytime soon.

Actually the Developers claimed that there was over 120 hours in Dragon Age if you do every side quest and Origin story. I’m about 80 hours in and it’s still going on. However I have been trying to do every little thing, and this is still my first playthrough. That’s not a complaint for me though, so far the game has been worth every bit of the 65 bucks I spent on it (got the special edition). Oh and apparently there’s ALREADY an expansion coming out called “Return to Ostagar” so I don’t think this game will feel dry for content anytime soon.

Check out a translated version of Shin Megami Tensei 2 and Persona 2 innocent sin, the final boss in SMT2 is the christian/jewish god (kinda).

hehehehehe…. beware the poledancing shadow boss of doom and He Who Shall Haunt Your Dreams, which you fight afterwards.

Teddie becomes cool later.

Tips. Grind. No, seriously. Grind as much as possible. Leave no stone unturned, explore everything, never run away. Fuse everything and get all the Personamon you can. At the very least, they become excellent fusion bait for later.

Also, don;t diss non-teammate S.Links. They benefit you later… and do your best for the harem ending *cackles* Max them all and be the King of Pimps. The guys will also be cool since Maxed will get you access to ultimate Personamon!

Level everyone equally, since no one is safe from weaknesses.

Final words? Explore the town, fish, and up S.Links when you can. All the stories are so very interesting, and you don;t get any jackasses or stalkers like in 3.

…. also? you think Teddie is bad? if you’re sick of Sensei, I wonder how you’ll feel about Sempai…

Enjoy the game, and beware the hardest dungeoun ever. It shall make you curse at all things retro gaming for a good while, since the Boss is a fucking cheater.

Good Luck ^^

hehehehehe…. beware the poledancing shadow boss of doom and He Who Shall Haunt Your Dreams, which you fight afterwards.

Teddie becomes cool later.

Tips. Grind. No, seriously. Grind as much as possible. Leave no stone unturned, explore everything, never run away. Fuse everything and get all the Personamon you can. At the very least, they become excellent fusion bait for later.

Also, don;t diss non-teammate S.Links. They benefit you later… and do your best for the harem ending *cackles* Max them all and be the King of Pimps. The guys will also be cool since Maxed will get you access to ultimate Personamon!

Level everyone equally, since no one is safe from weaknesses.

Final words? Explore the town, fish, and up S.Links when you can. All the stories are so very interesting, and you don;t get any jackasses or stalkers like in 3.

…. also? you think Teddie is bad? if you’re sick of Sensei, I wonder how you’ll feel about Sempai…

Enjoy the game, and beware the hardest dungeoun ever. It shall make you curse at all things retro gaming for a good while, since the Boss is a fucking cheater.

Good Luck ^^

Im surprised I recently finished Devil Surviver and I discovered that if I focus mainly on the main characters magic he could kill most of the day seven bosses in just a few turns using holy dance and I could make him stranger by having a demon in his party that uses Awaken. P.S. Devil Survivor is turn based stratigy. Needless to say the game didnt feel too hard accept for Belial but I restarted and found that a certain demon combonation used right made him easy.

I also found the ending to be a little too obvious but the characters drew me in to the point that Im playing it again. They actually talk about their lives and how they feel in away that makes them seem real.

“Ive never run around a gay dungeon before” lol the next T-shirt but I dont think it would sale.

I would love to see what the other games on your wall are and hear what some of your favorite games are.

I would love to see what the other games on your wall are and hear what some of your favorite games are.

Oh the bath house, the monsters in there…..yeah. I really hope he finishes this game cause it will be great to get his opinion on some of the stuff that happens in this story.

I’m a long-time strategy / RPG guy, a student of tactics learned at my father’s knee and all that, and I picked up really quickly on a great way to beat Shadow Yukiko.
Let Chie die.
That’s it. Let her go, leave her down, and let the two guys beat up on the shadow. Problem solved – no Red Wall to worry about, no extra attacks, just a brawl. There are a few times in the game (and its predecessor) that that technique has served my ends; if one character is being bothersome, let ‘em go.

I’m a long-time strategy / RPG guy, a student of tactics learned at my father’s knee and all that, and I picked up really quickly on a great way to beat Shadow Yukiko.
Let Chie die.
That’s it. Let her go, leave her down, and let the two guys beat up on the shadow. Problem solved – no Red Wall to worry about, no extra attacks, just a brawl. There are a few times in the game (and its predecessor) that that technique has served my ends; if one character is being bothersome, let ‘em go.

Dragon Age’s first playthrough took me 42hours actually, not 30. :)

Hey Spoony, I have a question about your games in general. I notice you have a decent amount of used games, I’m assuming they are from Gamestop, by those yellow price stickers on the sides.
How come you don’t take those tags off? I think I’ve seen some other reviewers keep the stickers on them, any specific reason you keep them on?

Hey Spoony, I have a question about your games in general. I notice you have a decent amount of used games, I’m assuming they are from Gamestop, by those yellow price stickers on the sides.
How come you don’t take those tags off? I think I’ve seen some other reviewers keep the stickers on them, any specific reason you keep them on?

I was very surprised that I liked Persona 4 enough to beat it. I like RPGs but when they start going into the 40+ range it just feels like so much padding and I lose interest.

Glad you like the game Spoony. Persona 4 was the best rpg I played in a long time.

As many have said, Teddy will be replaced, whether or not that’s a good thing is debatable.

In my playing I found the game got easier the farther I went. Build up those Pokemon, really they’re more important than your actual level. Elemental defense (Nuls, Reflects and Absorbs) helps a ton. Doesn’t matter what level you are if the mobs can’t hurt you.

Glad you like the game Spoony. Persona 4 was the best rpg I played in a long time.

As many have said, Teddy will be replaced, whether or not that’s a good thing is debatable.

In my playing I found the game got easier the farther I went. Build up those Pokemon, really they’re more important than your actual level. Elemental defense (Nuls, Reflects and Absorbs) helps a ton. Doesn’t matter what level you are if the mobs can’t hurt you.

turn-based rpg’s you say?
Golden sun to GBA. no dice. it is DA BEST

I loved Persona 4. The feeling to level up your teammates really worked for me. I kinda stick with my friends in real life so it doesn’t bother me too much.

Persona 4 is the game that taught me to use the ‘guard’ option. If a character gets hit with an element they’re weak against while they’re guarding, the enemy won’t get an extra turn. Most bosses also have a pretty set pattern, so predicting what it’ll do isn’t that hard. It’s not nearly as cutthroat as Nocturne or DDS (I’ve only played the latter), and the ability to control your teammates is an absolute GODSEND. You may still have to send in your dudes for the occasional ‘research battle’ if you’re not using a guide (I’d say lay off the guides until you decide to do a newgame+, unless you’re stuck), but otherwise, it’s a lot easier than Persona 3. Guarding and -kaja/-kunda spells are your friend, unlike most RPGS where stat-boosting spells don’t mean nearly as much. Glad to hear you’re enjoying it.

*spoiler for persona 3 & 4 if you’ve not played them*

I wasn’t able to play all the way through persona 3. my girlfriend did with about 300 hour on it. she beat everyone but Elizabeth. and did it at lvl 99. she loves rpg games. I got to where you could either give up or see it through, and when she told me who the last boss was, i was rather shocked. of all the deities out there they chose Nyx. Why did i stop because of this? because i am pagan. a witch to be more specific. And i simply couldn’t bring myself to do it. I spent my first couple of years as a pagan with her as my patron deity.

on persona 4 i was really liking it. and i loved the story. Igor’s assistant is just amazingly beautiful and at times, really odd. Incidently, shadow kanji is wearing a fundoshi if no one has made comment about this. It’s a traditional men’s underwear. most wear traditional western undies now, but these are still common enough in some circumstances. Some taiko drum performers prefer to wear only fundoshi when playing before an audience. as far as the gay bathhouse thing, i don’t know if that’s a japanese thing or not. I know in the 70s and maybe early eighties there were gay bathhouses in america. i don’t know if that spilled over into japanese culture too or if they were just trying to make a stereotype like in one of the shadow hearts games where we see the obligatory leather boy bikers who look like they just came out of the blue oyster bar. When i first saw shadow kanji it was at about 2 in the morning and my girlfriend was asleep. i yelled, and laughed, what the fuck, loud enough for her to wake up. i honestly wasn’t expecting that. i hope you’ll be able to finish the game, spoony.

incidently, i play final fantasy 11. and recently i met a taru bard named spoony. he humped my friend’s leg. just thought i’d throw that out there for you.

LOL, Spoony, your voice for Teddy was fucking perfect! Amazing.

I preferred 3, but 4 is damn good anyway. Also if you find it REALLY tough, try stat buff and debuffs, they are way WAY more useful in this game than you’d expect. They’re ALWAYS useful.

Also, if you want Turn Based RPGs… play Mana Khemia: The Alchemists of Al Revis. One of my favourite RPGs of all time. It’s very anime-ish, but it’s generally not annoying.

@unlucky coincidence

”Tips. Grind. No, seriously. Grind as much as possible. Leave no stone unturned, explore everything, never run away. Fuse everything and get all the Personamon you can. At the very least, they become excellent fusion bait for later.”

Actually, don’t do this. Its really just a waste of time to grind in this RPG
”
Level everyone equally, since no one is safe from weaknesses. ”

Actually, when you max out your party members: they are.

I guess thats why you felt the need to grind. You should really just focus on your 3 favorite characters and ignore the rest.

Teddie becomes at least a little more bearable (no pun intended… ugh) later on. If there’s one thing I love about P4 it’s the characters and how they interact. I’ve never played a game that made me laugh so hard, let alone cry.

Strangely, I had no problems with S. Yukiko, I slam-dunked her arse in one go. It’s after S. Kanji it got hard…. actually no. The guy after S. Teddie.
The guy in the video game level. Oh yeah, he’s a BASTARD. I won’t say to much. But he likes to screw around. It had been a LONG TIME since I’d thrown a control but he made me do it.
OH! And as a warning, there’s a point in the game about 80% in that either hightails you into a bad ending, or gets you to the ‘truth.’ First time, if you aren’t aware of it, it’s WAY to easy to get the bad ending, and if you screwed up saving, unless you feel like doing 60+ gaming again… yeah. All I’ll say is it’s a multiple choice thing, and in the hospital. But seriously, save. Alot. Maybe even look up the correct answers. There are five questions and get ONE wrong and you’re buggered.

P4 is okay, but it does not hold S*** compared to Shin Megami Tensei 1 and 2

P4 is okay, but it does not hold S*** compared to Shin Megami Tensei 1 and 2

Seriously, PLAY THE 2 FIRST ONES ON THE S-NES !
You wont forget it !!!!!!
SMT 1 : best supporting characters ever ( on pair with Persona 2 Innocent Sin and Valkyrie Profile )
SMT 2 : Best story ever ( on pair with Xenogears )

This has been sitting on my shelf for less than a year.. maybe I should pop it back in…

It was really fun watching this, because I could pretty much call out the answer every time you were questioning something. I’m glad you’re enjoying it, as well! Persona 4 definitely does raise the bar for bosses, but you can usually figure out their tricks after one or two times fighting them. Changing up your persona is pretty critical sometimes, in response to the last part of your vlog, but I definitely won’t deny that sometimes you will need to level to get the next-best persona you can fuse.

Let us know what you think after you’ve gotten further, I’d definitely be interested to hear.

P4 is a pretty cool game. Much better than P3. Even though the big revelations in the plot are saved for December.

As people have said, you lose Teddie as support after July, he becomes a party member and you never have to use him again. Ever.

I should warn you, the big boss fight in the August dungeon is an obnoxious war of attrition. Watch out for that fucker. If you give up on the game at all it’ll be there.

Never finished Persona 4 even though I enjoyed it, the grinding before the bosses pissed me off, and also it was quite ridiclious how some scenes weren’t dubbed.

Actually Dragon Age boast about 100 hrs worth of gaming my first time through and this was hack and slashing my way through the game, rushing the storyline and romantic subplot option. I was at 42 hrs when I got to the lands meet; needed to restart the game realizing that I missed a lot of party members, side quest (was lvl 17 and getting my ass beat by Logan and his army), and just missed out on a lot of game time in general. I am currently on my 4th time through (first two times had save issues and lost my data due to human era) and am at 33 hrs of game play. Trust me when I say it is well worth it if anything for the leveling and experience. Flemeth though I don’t give a shit what level your at she is a whore to beat. She is the hardest boss fight you could ask for, her and the brood mother.Though I have found some tricks to beating the brood mother in one session vs. Flemeth which took me like twelve.

Persona 3, gain Lucifer/helel (depending on if you have FES or not) and Satan to gain access to the Armageddon tag team and 1 shot pretty much everything. The FES storyline was fun but it was a trip down the an unimportant explanation of the plot of the original where you realize the main character sacrifices his soul to seal nyx from destroying humanity. Though I’d imagine the ability “Great Seal” or whatever the hell it was. Would have given that much away. As far as plot Persona 3 I liked better because it mislead you until that halfway point. Persona 4 was brilliant with it’s storyline and continued to go through the end. (Make sure you fight the real boss and not the 2 halfass ones). Nocturne is still my favorite for it’s mature storyline and making you think about the storyline in general. You have a rough idea as to what your doing and then lucifer explains it to you. And Teddie sucks. His job in my party is simply to die in my party for kicks.

Concerning Persona 3, yes, it´s a goshdarn long game and I played it with a 300+ pages guide from start to finish, I admit it. BUT it was a lot of fun that way, since I didn´t get into many situations were a boss could suprise me and steal my 30minutes of time that it took to get that far :D

As for the final boss of 3, John is right, Armageddon is the way to go, it was very enjoyable that way. AND Persona 3 has one of my favorite final bosses of all time…well…Persona 3 IS one of my favorite games of all time as well, strangely enough.

Yeah, shadow Yukiko beats your head in with a fork 0_o But you’re on Kanji, so youre not even close to Shadow Mitsuo, who beats your head in with a naked baby (not exaggerating there)…
Wow, youre tired of Teddie and youre only on the second dungeon? Wait till you get Rise… Ugh… Speaking of Rise, if youre disturbed by Kanjis dungeon, wait till you get to hers… Oh, wait, youre a straight guy. Nevermind that -_-

You should update again when you beat the game ^^ Remember, though, there are 4 endings to this game, and the two worst will happen kinda early (as compared to the other two) if youre not careful.

The trick to Persona 4 isn’t grinding, that’s a fucking painful ass backwards way to go about beating the bosses in this game. The trick to them is learning to use the debuffs, buffs and elemental weaknesses to bring down bosses. It’s been a while since i played but basically you should be casting the +Attack buff on your heavy hitter and keeping the bosses defenses lowered constantly, it’ll pretty much triple the amount of damage you can put out on an enemy per round.

The only real reason you should ever go grinding is if you’re desperate to unlock an NPCs new ability before a boss fight, other than that you’re just wasting your time when you could be thinking you way around problems instead of trying to do it the stupid way and bash your head against the grind wall until it crumbles.

In my opinion the story of Persona 3 is way much better as a whole in comparison to Persona 4. Yes, there are many flaws, especially in The Answer, where characters behave irrationally, but I found it to be much more interesting, or “epic”, than P4. Still, although the gameplay itself is good, monotonous dungeons and irritating repetitive music can be daunting. Even though I enjoyed the game very much, I also muted my TV and watched south park on another screen ;>.

Nevertheless, Spoony, I know you’re not a big fan of Sony’s PSP, but the new Persona 3 Portable has many changes in the battle system, similar to Persona 4. Considering the game will probably be released some day in the US, maybe it would be a good opporunity to give it another chance? Although 70-100 hours of gameplay on the PSP would probably be tiresome.

As for Persona 4. Even though the story as a whole wasn’t as “epic” as Persona 3, I found the overall atmosphere of the game more convincing, especially the characters. I didn’t really care about most of the team in P3, but in P4 I really took a liking to almost all characters.
The gameplay is also way much better, but somewhat easier than P3. Not that it’s a bad thing, but the final part was just too easy for me, having a set of great Personas and SP regenerating abilities. Also, you don’t have to grind that much in comparison to other SMT. I’ve spent about ten days of game time visiting the TV world, beating both the optional bosses as well as the main ones. You should focus more on fusions, creating Personas with SP Regenerate, Spellmaster, Cool Breeze etc.
As for Teddy, he’s not that bad once he stops being responsible for analysing enemies.

Good luck beating the game.You should also consider buying Strange Journey for the DS once it’s released in March. From what I’ve heard the game is very similar to Nocturne in terms of gameplay. It also received very high notes in Japan. Can’t wait.

I just finished this one about a month ago and it’s definitely a great game. Here’s a couple of tips that helped me through. If i had trouble with a boss i found the best thing was to go through the previous dungeon and fight the low grade boss that appears at the end (when you do you get a good weapon for the character the level was for). Also, make sure to leave the tv world and trade in your materials to get better equipment (you’d be surprised how many people don’t think to do that when they get frustrated). I never really messed to much with the card fusion stuff, the easiest thing for me was to make sure that my party had accessories equiped to compensate for their weakness instead of ones to boost strengths. I hope this helps you out. Hopefully you’ll dok another quick vid once you’re done to let us know what you thought of the game as a whole.

P.S. Goho-M’s should always be stocked! They make the dungeon crawling so much easier when you don’t have to backtrack when your health gets low!

I put down Persona 3 shortly after reaching the second area of the tower. I’m so OCD about sidequests and stuff, and I quickly felt overwhelmed by the annoying social links and that one girl’s timed requests. If Persona 4 isn’t as bad about it, I’ll give it a whirl

Aww How Can you Hate Teddy???

Actually i forgot how he songs like…

*Looks At P4 game*

Hmm…

*5 hours later*

ARGH!!!!

STFU TEDDY STFU!!!

OMG CAN’T YOU JUST SHUT UP FOR 5 SECS!!!!

ARGH!!!!

Teddie IS AWESOME once he does this… MINDBLOWING THING. Also the MC/Souji’s voice is Lelouch (I think) ALSO do NOT piss off Teddie’s VA cause… Teddie’s actor is freaking KEFKA

Here’s some tips for Shadow Kanji:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/ps2/file/945498/55505

Difficulty- 9/10

Recommended level- 22-25.

Personas- Any personas with strong attacks and area attacks. One that
has resist physical. A persona with Support Skills. [Preferably
Tarunda]

This is probably the hardest fight yet. Not only does he have strong
area attacks, but he also has two minions, that are tough to take down
themselves. His main attack that will wipe you out is swift strike.
It’s a physical area attack, that can hit up to three times. If it hits
three times, it’s most likely game over for you.

First of all, start by killing Nice Guy. If possible, use physical area
attacks to bring him down. Tough Guy absorbs them, but you really
shouldn’t be focusing on him now. The reason you should kill Nice Guy
first is because he casts buffs; Specifically Heat Riser. Heat Riser is
a combination of Tarukaja, Rakukaja, and Sukukaja. To leave this on him
would be death. So, have Yosuke use Dekaja if Nice Guy casts Heat Riser
on him. Once you have the Nice Guy down, focus your attacks on the
tough guy and Shadow Kanji. Tough guy absorbs physical, so use magic
attacks on him. If you want to risk it, try using area magic attacks.
They’ll damage Kanji and Tough Guy. Tough Guy’s attack arsenal consists
of two single-target physical attacks and swift strike. His rampage
isn’t nearly as strong as Shadow Kanji’s, but it’s still something to
watch out for. The main reason you should get rid of him first, is the
fact that he can use Dekaja, and will almost always use it whenever
your party has buffs. You’ll want to buff up your party for this fight,
but you don’t want it to be immediately taken away… This is why he’s
the second Target.

Now comes the real fight. Kanji has an attack that’s cast fear on your
party, although he occasionally uses it. He also has Fanatical Spark,
that deals medium lightning Damage. These two attacks leave no reason
to be alarmed, however. His main deadly attack is Swift Strike. He
typically uses Power Charge before swift strike, which makes is even
more menacing. Because of this, have your party guard when he uses
Power Charge. Otherwise, there’s a high chance of death, especially if
it hits three times.

His other attacks consist of Fatal End, Tetrakarn, and Spirit Drain. He
rarely uses Tetrakarn, however. He’ll use Fatal End quite a lot. It’s
just a strong single-target physical attack. If it critical hits, he’ll
get an extra turn. Spirit Drain takes away some sp from a character.
It’s bad, but not deadly.

Just make sure you keep everyone’s hp above 80% throughout the battle,
and guard whenever he uses Power Charge. If you’re still having
trouble, use strong single-target attacks on the Nice and Tough Guy,
instead of area attacks. This’ll take them down quicker, even though
Kanji will have full hp when you get him alone.

Also, have Yosuke guard every turn while Yukiko heals. It’ll help you significantly.

You can’t call your self a gamer if you did not play SMT 1 and 2 ( they should force you to play these games for school)

Dragon Age? 30 hours? ….you would have to speed through it in order to finish it that quickly. I’d say you can easily play it for 80 hours if you really get immersed in it and do lots of side quests and read the lore and stuff.

You’re in Kanjis dungeon, I take it? Ah, you’re at the tip of the iceburg, the plot eventually becomes one of the best I’ve ever seen. Quick tip without trying to spoil too much: Try and get up Nanakos and Dojimas social links as fast as possible.

I have not played Persona 3 or 4 but from what you say I’ll have to check it out because, back when I was in middle school I SOMEHOW got my hands on Persona 2: Eternal punishment. Which I’ve looked online and it’s pretty Rare now! the first one’s even more scarce, But I’ve had that game since I was roughly 13 years old…..I STILL HAVE NOT BEAT IT!!!! 10 years I have had this game and I like it, It’s a good game with a interesting story and concept but HOLY JESUS Is it HARD! That 90% Level grinding factor is in there, but not only do you have that but you gotta make pacts with demons and there’s something about collecting cards, I don’t know!
It’s just one of those games I repeatedly like to torment myself with.

Oh yeah don’t worry Kuma oh I mean Teddy gets replaced later
Yeah I was watching my sister play the english version and all the BEARSONA BEARSONA stuf got really annoying

DA lasts more like 50 hours Spoony-chan~~

Don’t worry, Teddie’s voice does not stay forever, it gets a minor improvement xD.

COUSIN! Let’s go bowling.

I loved the main story of Persona 3, but I tried the Answer, and the characters, mainly Akihiko and Yukari acted so dickish, I just quit. It was so strange, they find the abyss under the dorm, a second Aigis, and all they say is “Why the fuck am I here, this is stupid, I really couldn’t give a shit less.” It made no sense, and not to mention the 40 minute intro where Aigis 2 is very easy, and then the first enemy you get to kills the shit out of you. Yeah, I may try again, but I doubt it.

Nah…Dragon Age is like 70-90 hours. I know a guy who did a speed run in 40, but really, it’s a LONG and great game.
You should really do a reviev of it Spoony. Really. .. Once you complete it that is :P

super gay dungeon. wow. never been there before. I fear for your sanity

Yukiko’s Shadow was a real bitch to beat.
But she can´t take advantage of Chies fire weakness if Chie blocks most of the time.
If your main character got a demon which nullifies fire based attacks you can´t lose. ;)

I like Persona 4. There are so many funny moments in this game and with good stats like courage the scenes change a bit. ^^
So it´s worth to play it a second time. ^^

Persona 4 IS an awesome game, but I’ll warn you right now: There is a certain dungeon where you’ll think it’s the last one. It might look like the last one, because it’s fairly epic in an odd way, and the boss itself is fairly epic in an odd way to match, but do not kid yourself: it’s not the end yet. When that finishes, SAVE YOUR GAME ASAP. That point onward may determine one of the many possible endings you can get. Oh, yes, there is more than one… learned that the hard way.

I’ll admit, when I first got Persona 3, I played the shit out of it. It almost made me late for work several times, and I have pulled a few all nighters because of it. I did over level, so the last boss of the game was rather simple for me…but it still took quite a while for me to down. In my oppinion, Persona 4 is better, more solid story and the characters are very lovable and easy to relate to. I can say I have put over 100 hours into each game…only because of level grinding and working on Personas. I have to agree, the dungeon design is a lot more satisfying in Persona 4, then Persona 3. Some of the bosses can be difficult, yes, but the right Persona, OR having your character block when a boss targets a weakness in your group can negate it. Usually if you can figure out the pattern for the boss, you can time your blocks in to avoid an additional follow up attack, which is usually more devistating then the original blow.

I loved your review and I’m glad to hear you’re enjoying the game. It’s definately one of my all time favorites out of the RPGs I’ve played. Keep at it and you’ll be rewarded with a wonderfuly told story line. By the way, Teddy is annoying, but he sorta grows on ya :D

A tip for making the game (and the grinding) much easier is to level up until you can fuse Kaiwan. Then wait for a day when the fusion forecast is skill change. You should save your game and then fuse the persona. Once fused it will ask if you want to skill change say yes. If your lucky one of the skills will change to victory cry. If your not just reload your old save. The reason this helps is that victory cry will completely heal the main character after each battle you win. This means that you could blow all of your mp in the first battle of a dungeon and still be all right. Plus you can use the fact that persona gain a random skill from the two persona that make them up to make a team of persona that all have victory cry. I know this dose not help with bosses as much but it does make grinding easier.

ooo new background. I wouldn’t mind checking out a close-up photo of that game shelf *hint hint*

Apparently, gay demons are weak to Ice magic…

…who’d a thunk?

Ah, Teddie. Teddie is very annoying, but after the third dungeon he becomes significantly better, and over time mellows out. To tell the truth, by the end of the game, I actually wound up liking Teddie — certainly not my favorite character, but he definitely became worthwhile.

Fair warning, of course, the bosses are straight-out difficult as it goes on (but that’s a MegaTen tradition), but if you stick with it, it gives a very satisfying, very excellent plot and game, absolutely worth the effort. Just be wary at the end of the game; the theme of ‘pursuing the truth’ becomes vital to viewing the best ending, and the game is very adamant about encouraging you to do otherwise.

SHADOW YUKIKO!! Fuck. When you were talking about getting your ass kicked I thought of her right away! Funny now that I know that everyone has a hard time with her. I had an especially hard time with her because I fucked myself over by not having another day left. It was either beat her or fail and start over. It took about 15 times to fight her and I did a victory lap, no kidding, around my living room when I did. Geez, that dick. I had a hard time with the boss in Heaven, which is near the end of the game, too. So I just leveled up like crazy.(And thank god for Mediarahan!) Then there were those bosses that were so easy it was stupid. Kanji’s dungeon was really fun, but creepy at the same time. Demonic gay was a good way to put it! Ha ha.

As for the S. Links I kind of went by how much I liked the characters, which isn’t that smart I guess. -_-U I think the first I finished was Strengh. Then Emporer and Magician some time after that. Again, because I really like Kanji and Yosuke.

I’m happy that you’re liking it though. :D But now I feel dread at having to face Persona 3 which I just bought recently. Oh my. Well…I’ll get around to it some time.

ZOMG, I’m so glad I’m not the only person who had problems with Shadow Yukiko! Yea she was a bitch at first. What helps a lot is leveling Chie until she gets Bufara (Lv 2 Ice). It helped a lot. Persona 4 is an amazing game and would be one of the best games I’ve ever played in my entire life. Don’t worry about teddy, he stops his rambling soon after your next dungeon spoony, and he actually gets depth, but still okay to hate him a bit :P Rise takes his position, but she can actually do stuff if you raise her social link,

The English voice acting was horrible. So.Horrible.

While the Japanese version has some notable,well known actors,the English one feels bland and cheap.

Also,the included soundtrack disc is a fluke,the real soundtrack contains 52 Tracks.

I did not finish Persona 3 because of the Voice Acting and have struggled with 4 the same way.Included Japanese Audio would be an idea,since the game is not that big anyway.

@Hyrmivetr

wat

The voice acting in P4 is the LAST thing you can bitch about. I know, I know opinions and all that but…….just, no.

You do know that P4 Japanese cast has far less well known voice actors than the US version? You do know that pretty much every impression from people who actually UNDERSTAND japanese have been that the US VA’s are much better?

And massive LOL at anyone that calls US Teddie annoying and not mention the JP version.

Its fine to prefer the JP voices.

However, calling such an excellent cast of VA’s ‘Horrible, so horrible” is simply moronic and weabooish.

Weaboos are really annoying sometimes

”
I did not finish Persona 3 because of the Voice Acting and have struggled with 4 the same way.Included Japanese Audio would be an idea,since the game is not that big anyway.”

Bullshit.

I have a question about this socializingsystem in the game, is tehre an otpion to either be a nice person to your friends or be a complete Jerkass? and How does it affect the game?

Before I start drooling over Persona 4 again, I’ll just say what I think about the Bosses:
I have no idea what you’re saying! I found the bosses extremly easy in comparison to Persona 3!
I must admit that I loved the Level Design and perfect Gameplay so much that I grinded the shit out of each level and wound up being much stronger than the Boss in the end, but still! xD
I absolutly LOVE the different levels, you can see how much affection and work the Creators have put into that aspect of the Game. The perfect Level Design mixed with amazing music and good enemies equals one of the best gameplay experiences I’ve had in years. I’m really impressed how well everything works in this game. The flaws are truly minor – as for Teddy. He’s going to be replaced soon, so don’t worry Spoony :P
Kanji’s dungeon is one of my personal favourites – because it’s just so incredibly funny xD You should enjoy it!
The dungeons only get better and better!
If you’re not happy with the characters yet – you will be. I promise! It gets so much better after Kanji! You haven’t even touched the surface of Persona 4′s (character) develoment. You will have so much fun with the Story and even the side events, just wait until the School’s Festival *grin*
Persona 4 is just overall lovable <3

@ras

Persona 4 is 3,97 gb.About 1,5 is Voices alone.So,yes,dual Audio would be possible.

And,no i never heard of the English cast.Why is that?Because a japanese seiyuu cast is far more recognizable for me.I live in Germany. And,sorry,the voice acting is pretty horrible,compare Kuma please.And,just for your info,…Also,Rise’s NA Voice actress is pretty horrible in comparison to Rie Kugimiya.Is it weeaboish?Maybe,do other people agree that the NA Cast is pretty horrible?Yes,in fact they do.Do i understand japanese enough to determine that a well known Japanese cast is far superior than the almost emotionless blabbering of Yosuke,the horrible mispronunciation of Japanese names and the sheer terror that is Nanako Dojima?I think i do.

Ah, I’ve been meaning to play Persona 4 for awhile. Sadly though, I lack the funds to acquire it for myself.

Though I wasn’t aware that Spoony was such a big fan of turn-based RPGs. If you want a good last generation RPG recommendation, I’d try Baten Kaitos for the Gamecube. While the voice acting is very shitty (laughable even) and the difficulty level is inconsistent, it is one of the most unique RPGs in a good while. I’d say it has the same arguement people make as the Persona series: Even if you hate it, it’s so unique that you have to try it at least once.

Anyways, another great Vlog Spoony. Hope you enjoy the rest of Persona 4~!

P.S. If you do try Baten Kaitos, be wary of it’s sequel/prequel Baten Kaitos: Origins.

Im glad you have brought this game to my attention because it looks awesome and now I look forward to xmas when my lady gives me a copy of this game. Im going to end up reported missing noones going to see me again for months!

Wow, if you thought Incubus was bad in Nocturne, Wait till you see MARA in this game. Im sure plenty of people here will know what im talking about.
Anyway, by the sound of it Spoony, you haven’t really gotten into erm, THAT dungeon yet, so Trust me when I say that by the end, You’ll really respect how they did it. if the boss Doesnt piss you off too much.

Hey, Spoony, you should do a follow up with this game once you beat it.

Some things will (WILL), change in the game, so we’d all like to know what you think of it when it is all said and done.

I too look forward to more reactions. Persona 2 is still my favorite in the secries, but this is a close second, just for the characters.

Yay, one of my favorite reviewers loves my favorite game!

Shadow Yukiko? God I hated that bitch. It took me 4 hours to make up a strategy so I could beat her.

Damn man. 45 minutes a boss fight. I never had any trouble except with a few of the half-way point boss in tartras(?) But yeah The final boss is easy but has like 13 forms you have to fuck with. Definitely time consuming. I beat the game in about 70-80 hours. 60% fighting in the tower/story, 25% school, friends, ect 15% on bosses. My only real problem was the damn AI-controlled characters. At times I thought they were controlled by HAL and were purposely trying to get me killed

if you like turn based rpgs. for the love of god play FIRE EMBLEM. i would recommend Path of Radiance for the gamecube, and it’s sequel Radiant Dawn for the wii

Thats funny,I quit persona 3 at exactly the same point, for the exact same reasons.

I love persona 4 and ive played i about 3 times now and I still love it ^.^

But I do got to say when it comes to the music I like the P3 music… but i still love p4 and all of its wackiness : D

Oh, wait till you get to the fourth level.

Though in Persona 3, I don’t remember too many bosses being that long except for the last one, which…well, by the time I beat it, I’d already bought and beat Persona 4.

I liked P3 more. The story was more interesting and dark (not AS good as people say, but good), and the characters were more… human (I thought P4 characters were too childish).

I have to agree that P3 has practically no story until like… half of the game, but I didn’t mind much, I was interested enough in the Social Link’s stories (I guess I’m one of the few).

Tartarus indeed IS an offence to the player’s intelligence, P4 dungeons were not MUCH different in essence, but there is some improvement.

Something that never bothered me (but apparently bothered everyone else) was the AI-controlled team in P3. I liked the idea of NOT been a collective conscience that controls everyone as it appears to be in all the TB-RGPs, you are the main character and the main character alone. Also, it was not that hard to manage (at least I thought so).

P4 had a lot of improvements in the gameplay indeed, and I can see why people like it the best. But, as a SMT hardcore fan (yes, I even played SMT1 and SMT2 for the SFC), I enjoyed P3 more.

Ah, and just to note: the Persona series are NOT really part of the SMT series, in fact, in Japan, the games don’t even have “Shin Megami Tensei” in the title.
P series are more like an spinoff of SMT.

AND…
Sorry for my bad english (not my native language).

”and the characters were more… human (I thought P4 characters were too childish).”

Because they are children? (Especially Nanako and Teddie, who are halfway toddlers)

That is a huge issue with P3.

Despite all its melodrama, P3′s characters might as well have been adults. The isseus the characters in P4 dealt with were very mature and relevant issues, a lot of teenagers have to deal with in everyday life. As opposed to P3 which wasn’t character-driven like P4, but plot-driven.

I think that is a lot more mature than some vague, lame symbolism with regards to death. Just my opinion.

Haha
Hum… putting that way, I can’t really dissagre with you.

But about the childish thing…
It was kinda like… a character dissapers, you search for him in his respective dungeon, you see some NICE char development, and after that, almost every scene regardind that character is a comedy one, where they all acted very childishly (in my OPINION), and if you want to see some development again, you need to do that char’s SL, which isn’t nearly as cool.

I really did thought the P3 characters were more deep, and that there was more development (all the chars took the hole game to grow, and not the end of a single dungeon).

AND, I would say that P4 chars were more likeble in fact, but P3 chars more mature.
Again, JUST MY FUCKING OPINION. ^^

About the “vague” simbolism… nothing to coment,
I just thought that “Death” was a more cool theme then “Search for Thuth” (which is cool too) ^^.

Sorry for my english… again.

Dectilon commented (like… 100 posts ago):

“and it’s funny you should use the phrase “doesn’t insult your intelligence” and P4 in the same sentence considering it does so constantly. They keep repeating the same plot points to you over and over because the story really isn’t complicated enough to span the 80 hours it can take to beat the game. Also, the characters are unbelievably dense and can’t put the simplest clues together (except for sometimes when they pluck facts out of thin air).”

I coundn’t agree more. ^^

“and it’s funny you should use the phrase “doesn’t insult your intelligence” and P4 in the same sentence considering it does so constantly. They keep repeating the same plot points to you over and over because the story really isn’t complicated enough to span the 80 hours it can take to beat the game. Also, the characters are unbelievably dense and can’t put the simplest clues together (except for sometimes when they pluck facts out of thin air).”

Didn’t see that.

As much as I prefer P4 over P3, I still kind of agree,sadly(though he does overblow it a bit).

I still think P3 had the bigger issues plotwise, and the P4 cast’s slowness can partly be explained by the fact that they are experiencing this in days/weeks as opposed to the player who only sees it through hours.

The only part of the review I had to comment was about Teddie’s in-combat reports. Wait until you get Rise. That is all.

Hey, if you liked Persona 4, then you’ll probably like Persona 2: Innocent Sin and Eternal Punishment. It’s a pretty awesome game, although the random battle system can be kinda tedious at times. The story and characters (the cast is a mixture of adults and teenagers) totally make up for it. It doesn’t have social links though (because when you’re trying to save the world from Nazis, Hitlers, demons, and general psychos, you don’t really have time for things like school and hanging out at the mall).

Besides, who can’t love a boss whose body and limbs are the main characters fathers dressed in S&M gear?

Teddy won’t be narrating forever, rest assured.

And yeah, Shadow Yukiko is bitchtacular.

I haven’t finished 3 yet and I shutter to think about starting it over… I think between me and my Ex playing we got 60+ hours throw just grinding to beat the bosses… all we wanted is the MMO teacher ending!!!

If anybody feels like having a good laugh check out this guy’s P4 comics.

http://hiimdaisy.livejournal.com/

I guarantee you won’t be disappointing so give it a shot at least.

I’m curious what you think of Demon’s Souls, speaking of Atlus (although they only published it)

Part of the reason why P3 can be extremely frustating is that you cannot control what the NPCs do besides vagues commands. Since in P4 you CAN give direct commands, fights become significantly easier

They are going to release a remake of P3 for… DS or PSP, I forget which, which takes a lot of the mechanics from P4 and puts them to use. Also, you can make your character a female if you wish.

Also: Chie kicking a mook out of the fight = always awesome. If it comes up, there is at least one mini-boss against which said kick works.

Actually Noah, have you tried the new SMT game for DS yet? It’s called Devil Survivor, and it’s like FF: Tactics. I think you would like it.

it took me about 60h to complete DA with all the sidequests and about 45 min to replay it with all the sidequests.

Oh dear lord if you think the spa and Teddy are bad… wait until the next dungeon. I was twitching and had nightmares for days… The horror.

Nice review, I might just go and get Persona 4.
If you like turn-based rpg, and haven’t already, try out Soul Nomad and the World Eaters.

I got my copy of Persona 4 and I have to say, you are good when it comes to recommendations because I havent put the game down since. I dont think Teddie is that annoying however, but the thing I will hold against you forever is ‘The gay dungeon’ which Ive just finished through and after beating the variety of very touchy feely monsters (yes including oiled up gay wrestlers who somehow remind me of Hulk Hogan) and the deeply disturbing Shadow Kanji Im very much resistant to having this dude on the team. I am cool with homosexuals whatever makes them happy, but Im doing my thing to impress the ladies of the game and I must say if this guy make a pass at me, Im gonna run away from the game screaming like a girl, and cursing your soul forever Spoony!

I’m playing through it again after stopping part way due to some asshole spoiling a huge plot development for me. I still love the game and I love Teddie’s character. He doesn’t get annoying for me because I ignore him in battles. Also, Shadow Yukiko is a bitch to beat but not that hard. Once you get the timing down for when she uses Burn to Ashes you can guard on Chie and not have to worry about an extra turn. I used Jack Frost with Ice Boost, Rakunda, and Bufula, with Chie using Tarukaja on the MC. I took her down in about 4 rounds. Either way, I’m glad to see you’re having a good time with it. :D

Turn-based RPG fans unite!

You can defend and weakness spells won’t knock down. Still take more damage than you would normally, but still less than not defending.

Persona 4 is one of the most enjoyable RPGs I've played, if not one of my actual favourites. But man… that boss at the end of the sauna dungeon was the gayest thing I've ever kileld in a game. XD

Shadow Yukiko… yeah. Totally destroyed me the first time. XD BTW, if you try to open a chest and it says that there's a terrifying presence, don't open it unless you are endgame level or you just saved. Death itself will come out and kick your butt in seconds.

Though I liked Teddie, you don't have to worry. He doesn't narrate the rounds for the whole game so stick with it!

I must be the bazillionth person to say this, but I had to be sure. Sorry.

Persona 3 = Manly Tears Ending
Persona 4 = Adachi was right, all women are bitches and whores.

Not to toot my own horn or anything, but I managed to beat Shadow Yukiko first try w/o much difficulty. Then again, I did take some of your advice about making sure that you keep your levels high, so thanks for that Noah. Probably would've gotten my ass kicked otherwise.

Also, I actually kinda like Teddie.

I hope you finished the game before reading the comments >.>

“Demonicly Gay version of himself.” *Laughter* :D

Too bad you don't like Teddie. Don't know how far you are with this game, but personally, I found Teddie to be one of the most usefull characters in the game (because of healing and stat-boost skills) + he has the Star Arcana Social Link which is good since i'm planning to make Lucifer (even though P4 doesnt' have the ARMAGEDDON combo like the rest of 'em). And in my opinion, Teddie evolves quite well as a character during the course of the game.

The game itself gets really good towards the end and I'd love to hear your thoughts about it later on.

Yeah Teddie is the only one with a real evolution. Evolving from Shadow to a Consciousness and then a whole human being with his own Persona.

I have a feeling you'll enjoy these comics. I read them without playing Persona 4 and I found them hilarious, so I can only imagine how someone who's actually played the game will react. Enjoy!

http://hiimdaisy.livejournal.com/26044.html#cutid1

I actually own both games. And honestly, I enjoy 3 a bit more than 4. Not to say 4 is horrible. In fact in some ways you cant compare them too much since they are great contrasts to one another.

Persona 3 takes you to a conflict of science and magic. Where a company was working on a way to control these demonic forces using technology. And through a malfunction they kill everyone there, and warp reality to where there is an unknown hour added to the area. As if the world stops and chaos insues. Your character is unwittingly brought in to be added to a team of teenagers devoted to stoping this evil force, a la Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. For me the character progression kinda seemed well done, personality wise I mean. Junpei was my favorite sidekick character, mainly because I'm a fan of the voice actor who can claim Edward Elrich of Full Metal Alchemist fame. I also enjoyed the honestly interesting aspect of the Evoker Gun. Its unique and, in a way, is a form of ceremonial summoning representing self sacrifice to summon a powerful inner strength into the material plane.

Persona 4, from what I've played of it so far, has the similarity of a high school student coming in at the wrong time. Except the aspect of magic is confined to a television alternate plane of existance which….honestly kinda threw me off a bit. But it has more of a natual feel when it comes to a team forming out of strife and conflict. The gadgetry like Evokers are replaced with special Glasses made to allow the characters to see through “The Fog” and fight their demonic forces known as Shadows, again from the last game. Now I will say I'm happy that Tarturus is NOT in this game. I hate the tower, its annoying as hell. But sadly it was a neccesity. However, as you explained, you get shorter and sweeter levels that seem more refined and specified to a situation. I'm actually stuck with the Kanji level right now. And GOD is his shadow form gay. And I mean this in both the literal and metaphorical way. I hate this guy, he's a fucking bitch to fight. As well as his two goons. I've gotten close but DAMNIT I cant beat him. I had to go on a slight break from it so I didnt burn myself out on it due to sheer aggrivation. This game has more of a Film Noir feel. Where you are trying to figure out a string of murders, instead of fighting an all consuming demonic force thats building up. But again I'm not that far in.

All in all, both are interesting games with unique aspects that are easy and yet hard to compare. Both games are stand alone constracts within a similar universe, or rather multi-verse I would assume. All things considered. I still enjoy the more mythical feel of the 3rd over the murder mystery of the 4th. But I cant really knock either game….except for the fucking rediculous boses. Fucking Fortune Shadow and Shadow Yukiko. THEY HAUNT MY NIGHTMARES STILL!!!

Persona 3, in game they spend half an hour not knowing why your doing what your doing…

Persona 4, they blast the plot at the hero on like his 3rd day.

Chie kicking enemies out of fights, I personally didn't like it since enemies “removed” from fights didn't give exp.

Teddie was annoying, untill his shadow appeared, his shadow's voice alone saved him.

Don't know if anyone said anything about the Hangman boss.

Magician S.link Max = Capacity to fuse Surt.

Surt = 2nd Strongest Hit-All Fire (Maragidyne). Strongest singular fire spell (Ragnarok)
Fire Amp and Boost (+75% damage)
Deathbound (One of the strongest Hit-All Slash Physical)

All you need is someone like Mitsuru to beat down the only remaining doll. You'll auto-kill two with one use of Maragidyne or Deathbound.

PS. The Answer's quality is debateably… equivalent to poor fanfiction considering the endgame. And a poor excuse for a gimmick (The existance of the evokers) is a poor excuse for a gimmick.

Goddamnit… triple post.

P.P.S. (Yes I know, there's an edit button, but beh)

Persona 3's end-boss theme song is orgasm to the ears. Especially moreso if you're an old Persona fan… P.S. You're probably older then me.

I simply loved Persona 3, though I did dislike the combat bits. (Tartarus marathons are about the most dull thing I’ve ever done, and I mine in EVE online.), until I finally got to the final boss, I hadn’t gotten to a good level, so I was about 3 hours whittling him down to about 50 HP, but at that last phase, he uses a shield that just goes “Fuck you” and repels all attacks, and you only have a few openings to attack him in. Thing is, the game glitched out on me, and he went into a permanent shield.

I had to do it all over again, not a joy.

i’dloveyou to do a letsplay ofP4.

If you think teddy is bad just wait till you save girl who will become narrator. I didnt find bosses very hard since i did insane ammount of grinding . Aslo to get most interesting ending ( And most epic battle scene I EVER SEEN ) you gotta get 2nd playtrough . Srsly i dont wanna spoil buth if you dont plan to play it trough then at least see it on youtube .

I can’t find the original persona 4 review anywhere…