Witness the stunning conclusion to this chilling cyber-murder mystery! Have you figured out who the Ripper is? Find out!
Great job spoony loved it.
I already saw this on blip-tv but I want to point one thing out:For a professional reporter, Quinlan has an amazingly fast two-finger-typing technique! :-DThat slayed me.
I noticed that too. It’s probably the least of this games worries though. The Ripper was whoever you decided to shoot with your magical cyberspace shuriken? Lame.Good job anyway. Riffing is Spoony at his best.
oh yeah Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2 try it.
At long last, the epic conclusion! Congratulations on another job well done, Spoony!
What the fuck?
Wow, what a disappointing ending. Good job, Spoony.
Heh, I've pegged Magnatta from the start. I guess I was wrong *shrugs*
Shoulda gone with the Triple Triad joke instead of Yu-Gi-Oh.
I fought this would be better…
Sorry, accidental double-post.
So…wait, is the game different every time you play it? Or can you peg anyone of the four and be right?
Talk about some lame endings, all they did was swap slightly different sound clips and apply them all to the same boring scene. Not to mention that the only deciding factor is who you decide to shoot at the very end. Laziness abounds!
Btw, I loved the 10th kingdom clips. Out of context, you wouldn’t realize that they’re actually from a fantasy movie (the psycho guy is a werewolf)
I forgot how utterly well, forgettable and bland this game's ending(s) was(were). I only ever saw the Burton one, I guess its a case of writing yourself into a corner of an already wonky plot.
Tex Murphy is next I hear? I imagine it'd be a challenge to riff in some ways, as its a far better game than either FMV game you've played so far. But in others it IS rather comedy gold. The hardest one to riff I'd say would be The Beast Within, probably the best example of what FMV was capable of achieving. But hey, even that had some fun parts.
How, How the hell do you make no correct end villan. Obviously Burton.
How would you know if it’s any of the suspects? Is the gameplay different everytime?
So wait, they all could have been the Ripper? What an epic failure of writing.
What exactly were the clues that would actually lead you to determining which one is the Ripper? Did I miss something?
what you planning on reviewing next spoony you should do the conclusion of swat
I can't express my disappointment in this game. What is the point of going through all of that trouble if there really is no way to lose the game? And how exactly is Catherine a suspect? I could rant for a paragraph on why that makes no sense alone. Other than getting stuck on some of the games Rube Goldberg puzzles, is there really anyway to lose the game, outside of the one lame ending where Quinlan dies? It reminds me of Monster A-Go-Go where in the end there is no monster. Well, Ripper is a mystery game with no mystery. You don't solve a murder mystery. Just take a pick and you will be right no matter what. That was a great series of videos, Spoony. Very funny. But that game had a lousy ending.
Actually, the first time I played this, Magnotta was the Ripper. It changes randomly each time you play it.
I know, I was just saying from the ending that Spoony got.
My apologies. It’s just that a lot of people here were apparently unfamiliar with this game, and were confused by the ending.
BOOOO this game. What happened? Did they run out of money to pay the actors for a decent ending? Did they write themselves into a corner?They should have just made Magnotta the Ripper and called it a day.Oh well. Great review Spoony.
So wait, was it Catherine? Magnotta? Which was the right one??
It must've been Catherine…right? The ripper voice being on the monkey and everything…who did it?
The Ripper is randomly chosen each time you play. And so that doesn't sound like a complete cheat, each Ripper comes with different scenes and clues. If memory serves, Eddie presents an altered picture of Magnotta in a different scenario (as compared to the reverse in Spoony's scenario). In fact, I could have sworn that if you got an altered picture, whoever gave it to you was the Ripper, yet it seemed Burton was the Ripper in Spoony's scenario despite having nothing to do with the picture.
My point is, it's not like you play out the same story each time, pick a Ripper, and hope that chance rewards you. Different clues lead to different Rippers. And if you pick the wrong Ripper, you die.
I haven’t played the game, but according to some research, the game can end any of those 4 ways, with the only real branch showing up at the beginning of the 3rd act.
If you get the picture of Falconetti, the killer is Magnotta.
If you get the picture of Magnotta, the killer is Falconetti.
If you get no picture, but the guy at police station says there were prints on the knife (matched to Haman), the killer is Catherine.
If you get no picture, and no prints were found on the knife, the killer is Burton.
No wait, I got it! It was the Duck Mafia! They work with the rage monkeys, get a little on the side, make it specifically hard to find out who did what making it seem like everyone's a suspect, only to distract the police and Quinlan from the Rage Monkey uprising! What you didn't see after the end credits was immediately after the Virtual Herald printed the story, the rage monkeys attacked! IT IS THE END OF TIMES!!! REPENT FOR THE MONKEYS AND THE DUCKS HAVE COME TOGETHER!!!!
Now play it again and again to get a different Ripper identity. :v
A bit anti climactic, don’t ya think? If the ripper changes every time do you get alternate clues or just the end “fight” outcome? I’m a bit disappointed with the ending. Is there any scenes after that typing one? So many questions left unanswered!
Actually, the game changes in the third act by providing different clues to who the killer is. for instance you may have gotten a falsified photo of Magnotta (given to you by Falconetti) instead of the other way round. or you might have found out that the knife you scanned over at the Woffords place had Hamans prints on it. ETC.
so in essence the story was written so anyone could be it, but you could still screw up and pick the wrong one, if you didn't catch the clues. (actually as far as i can recall, the version Spoony just played (where Magnotta gives you the pic of Falconetti) should have ended with Magnotta as the killer… but then again my recollection isn't as clear as it could be).
Incredibly funny, all of them. Next you’ll have to do Hitman 2.
And we’re actually discussing about mitosis at school. :3
That was amazing. The only thing is that this is the last episode. I bet you have like tons of suggestions of games that you could riff, but think about Hitman 2. You’ll understand if you’ve played it.
And we’re actually discussing about mitosis at school. What a coincidence!
I can't say how disappointing that ending is
It seems if the clues are randomly generated as people have commented, the game should have endings that reflect the fact you killed the wrong person rather than a lame 'You may or may not have picked the wrong one, good job someone's going to blow up Whitechapel anyway, huh' ending.My guess all along was the program itself was the killer; it had achieved semi-sentience, and had access to Burton's notes on brain research from her accessing the game. I didn't think it was Magnotta, as he was being set up as the antagonist from minute 1. Falconetti was a likely suspect, but again seemed too obvious a choice. Burton and Claire would've made no sense. With this kind of game I expect a twist like that. All in all a disappointing ending.
Two things…thing 1, dude's a two finger typist!thing 2, what order were those credits in? they're not by screen time or alphabetical or even order of appearance
Great job 8D
I'm going to have that song stuck in my head for weeks.It's kind of cool they tried to do the multiple endings thing. Of course, for how anti-climactic the ending turned out they probably should have just stuck with one story and filled it out a bit more… but hindsight's 20/20.
Any holy crap, that boy's crazy! Why was he trying to roast an old woman?
Did the way you kill the Ripper remind anyone else of Pokemon?
Whose plan was it to NOT SPELL John Rhys-Davies?
Actually watching you play this almost makes me want to go out and find this game. it had a really interesting plot. but there are a few things that will hold me back from getting it.
1.) The endings. Simply fucking horrible. they had done a great job building up suspense and had such a good cast they shouldve done something better.
2.) The puzzles. some of these puzzles i never had figured out without a walkthrough which kinda defeats the point of an adventure game.
3.) Unskippable transitions.
Although this has definitely been one of the best fmv games they ive ever seen, better than phantasmagoria 2 imo.
This game, was unfucking believable.
I thought that the Ripper was Magnotta.
Wow…..that was balls……monkey balls!!
my guess was similar. I expected the killer to be all 3 of them. Burton, Magnotta, and Falconetti. Would have been a much more interesting twist especially with the cliche of setting someone up as the killer and saying it isn't them (Magnotta) only for it to turn out to be them… And two others!
Good job on the videos Spoony, but man was that a dissapointing end to the game. The whole point when solving a murder mystery is figuring out the motive, and Quinlin didn't even solve that.What were the motives of any of them? I figured Magnotti would be the ripper from Act 2 though, because he was so incredibly off-beat and crazy (knife incident anyone?).
I'd say that they were all rippers (simultaneously, not just endings-wise) because the game had warped their brains into killer monkey brains.
With the way it paced itself, I thought that it was gonna be Magnotta in the end, but Burton's defiance of the monkey rebellion experiments kind of bought it full circle. I really think that the game, not the person warped their minds and made whomever was the Ripper black out and not even know if they were the Ripper.
By the way he was acting though, Magnotta could have been the Ripper even if he didn't play the game.
And seriously, the guy who played Quinlan would have been perfect as one of the Ripper choices by his crazy performance as the guy wanting to cook up an old lady for Christmas dinner!
Wow. What an utterly, utterly dull ending. I expected far better to be honest, which is probably why I'm so disappointed. The Whitechapel could have been a lot better, and that half-assed conclusion with Quinlan typing on the keyboard is…I mean couldn't they have given all the characters a role in the finale?!? Oh well…
But still BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA@your secret ending…
Different each time.
The main difference is the emergence of certain clues, which is random each game.
YAY 10TH KINGDOM REFERENCES!!!! I was hoping I wasn't the only one who knew that Quinlan (Scott Cohen) was in that too. That was actually the mini-series that introduced me to that guy and I had a schoolgirl crush on him for months after seeing that…idk maybe I just like bad boy half-breeds lol.
Wolfies just pretend to do naughty things.
Me too! XD YAY!!
Only months? I started off with a schoolgirl crush on him, watched the mini-series again in Middle School and developed a teenager crush on him, bought the series 3 years ago and cemented my adult-female long-term infatuation with the character.
I was smitten as soon as he asked Virginia to pet his tail. It’s a wonder that I remained reasonably sane and didn’t go down the long, dark, creepy path of furrydom.
soooo whos the ripper?
Once again, great work Spoony. Though what a let down of a finish from that game. You had introduced the concept of a monkey uprising and that was way more interesting and entertaining than what they gave us instead. Boo on Ripper.
Yay for Spoony writing alternate endings to underacheiving video games.
I say it was the monkey. Even before getting his brain messed with, I bet that monkey just hated humanity from the get-go, locking him up in cages.
Now, though, with his cybernetic implants, he got his REVENGE!
Okay, how the hell does this game score an 8.6 on IMDB? The people there must be bat-guano insane.
I actually had Paul Giamatti as my main suspect…just seemed far too helfpful…I'm watching you wine boy!
I thought it would either be Katherine(Not helpful, mysteriously survived the attack) or Burton's Assistant, Paul Giammati, he ACTED very helpful but never actually did anything for you and in fact made things harder(The image is up, we can see the Ripper! OH WAIT NEVERMIND!….. fix the computer and you might find something…. etc etc.)
These endings don't explain what happened to the first girl who died in the original Ripper game because if the killer is interchangeable it means that the whole game and the clues were totally pointless.
Great video though Spoony.
“These endings don’t explain what happened to the first girl who died in the original Ripper game because if the killer is interchangeable it means that the whole game and the clues were totally pointless.”
The clues in the game are different depending on who the game picks as the Ripper and I’m pretty certain there’s some random red herrings here and there though. It’s similar to the Blade Runner game in that regard.
So… they ALL did it?…
What a fucking cop out! I was so invested in the story, and I was so pumped to find out how the ripper was and they make it so EVERYONE is the ripper? Most games that have alternate endings they at least have one TRUE ending. *sigh*
Not your fault Spoony-man, I still had loads of fun, and the Walken impressions were awesome!
For a future FMV lets play, why not do Phantasmagoria 1? That'd be un-fucking-believable.
That was a sucky ending. Oh well. Spoony managed to make it very epic in the end. :) We love yah, big guy! Keep up the great work! Your work so far has had me in stitches! ;)
Oh and really off topic on this and I am sure someone has said so already, but spoony means to be in love but in a very mushy way. Which is why Tellah calls Edward a spoony bard. ;)
I thought i saw claire there can you shoot her?
Unless I'm mistaken, ripper came out in the late 90s, i think 96? And the Cowbell sketch was in 2000. So evidently Walken has quite a history with this song!
That… that was so incredibly lame.Maaaaaan. :|
Seasons don't fear the Spooney, nor do the wind, the sun, or the cowbell.
Great LP, Spooney! And those endings where just horrible (expect that “real” one).
So they didn't have a clear killer in mind from the beginning? That's so fucking cheap. I guess Chris and Blue Oyster Cult had to be enough. I'll smoke a cigar to them.. HAU!
How underwhelming. The 10th Kingdom insert was awesome though! Great job Noah!
Wow… A murder mystery where the player chooses who the murderer was? That's pretty lame. That's kind of boring. They could've at least included some kind of “real ending” along with the “choose your ending” feature. Some ending where the real muderer is revealed. Or maybe where they all did it.
Of course, I'd play this game for the Blue Oyster Cult song and Christopher Walken. I don't know why, but I like them both that much.
I didn't really have a prime suspect but I must say, David Patrick Kelly looks freakin' badass as the Ripper.
On that note, with Ripper done, I quadruple-dog dare you to do a Let's Play for Foxhunt. I know you hate it but I think I only made it to Disc 2. I wonder what even happened to my copy of the game…
Dis gai…ez uhn-fucking-believable!
I couldn't imagine playing this back before the Intraweb. Especially getting to the end and beating it for a 6 second video of Quinlan typing like a grandma and spouting crap. The only thing epic about the ending was EPIC FAIL!
Spoony, you roxorz!!1
I watched the finale again and I'm still asking the question: why does Whitechapel have to explode like an `80s Schwarzenegger movie set* when it deletes itself? It would make more sense if it quickly began fading into nothing, first the smaller details like the lamp-posts, then the walls of buildings, then the outlines of the buildings, and finally the (badly rendered) cobblestome streets. The explosions were too cheesy.
___________________________________________________________* You know, first an explosion in the background, then a couple more, stuff begins falling from the ceiling and the floor is shaking, and now there are a bunch of explosions going off rat-a-tat-tat, and finally the hero jumps to safety as a fireball whooshes by his head, followed of a long shot of the building/ship/whatever going up like it was packed to the rafters with dynamite.
YES!! I love 10th Kingdom and Wolf. This is the best video EVER.
This game deserved a better ending. Sure, it's stupid and over the top, but really that's what made it completely awesome! I would have actually tracked down this game for the entertainment value if it wasn't for the corny as hell ending.
I'm actually kinda sad that it's over; Ripper's been an experience on this site for me for about as long as I've known about Spoony. Ah well, on to the next crappy game, am I right?
me to. i was really enjoying it. though some of the puzzles woulda really pissed me off
In my ending, I would have made it so that the main character was the murderer! Kind of like Phantasmagoria 2!!!!
It's time to Ri, Ri, Rriiiiiipppppppp
Man that was unfucking believable
Yeah, I was completely disappointed by the ending. It was almost like it was rushed or something. Such a let down when they did go to such a length to make the Ripper out to be such a deadly villain and to try to get you invested in the story.
From my understanding, it's actually randomly chosen for each game, and the third act plays out *subtly* different, depending on the game's choice for the Ripper (one of four, as was shown by Spoony). I think it's just a few different voice lines, to lead you to a slightly different conclusion, or something, though. I haven't played it, I was just curious enough to do a cursory search, mind you.
Dammit, as corny as this game was I was actually starting to enjoy watching it unfold. I could have accepted a bad ending, that would have been fine, but they didn't even have the courtesy of wrapping the story up in a tangible way, even if it would have been stupidly executed. Who ever you want to be the ripper is the ripper? What a load.The point of a mystery is that it leads up to a single conclusive answer based on he clues given to you, this is just upsetting. Did the writer set up all those false leads to make all four characters look like they could be responsible only to realize that the trail didn't end anywhere? Whatever, you made it a funny ride to the end so I can't call it a total loss.
Who else says the killer should have been the crazy Orville Redenbocker? Or a crazed monkey?
Hyper Intelligent crazed monkey bent on revenge for the experiments done to it would have by far been the best :D. Creepy too.
Considering the rest of the game, the ending seems extraordinarily week. It’s probably the shortest cut seen in the game.
Hey Spoony, how about some Dark Forces 2? It has FMV.
So…when the ending comes, you’ve got four very likely suspects, and Quinlan can’t quite decide which one is the Ripper. All of them have evidence and clues against them, so really any of them could be the killer !
…And the Ripper just happens to be the one you randomly decide to give a faceful of cyber-shuriken. Weak.
I can just imagine what’s going on inside Quinlan’s head : “Gee, they’re all pretty suspicious, but they’re also kinda sympathetic…I don’t have enough evidence to decide, what should I do ? Oh what the heck, let’s just kill one of ‘em and say it was the Ripper all along.”
Seriously, that dude is f***ed right up ! He just picks someone out of the suspect list and decides to kill them, but it’s okay because they were the killer…probably. That’s the kind of dilemma that should haunt you forever ! I mean in one of the endings, he just killed his girlfriend, but no biggie, all he has to say about is some lame editorial.
Screw the Ripper, Quinlan’s the real sociopath here !
That's it? After so many hours of playing? How lame and disappointing. There's no final confrontation, no suspense, nothing. The final cut scene is basically the same one and it's also short and done in just one take. Good thing that Spoony posted this playthrough so I can avoid this game at all costs.
Wow! That was really good. I'm amazed that a non-gamer such as myself would be so fascinated by watching shows on gaming – such as riff that you and Linkara do, and Snapshots Larry. I'm also a very, very big fan of the 10th Kingdom. I've got the movie on VHS and have even sat down and read the whole 400 page novelization. Is that Nerdy or what? Ha.
The ending to the actual game my have sucked but the conclusion to your epic riffing certainly did not.
I kept on waiting for a Doogie Howser reference at the end there. His typing along with the contemplative pause reminded me so much of that.
This is pretty much it. Some examples of how the third act changes: You may find out Vigo Haman's fingerprints are on the knife picked up after the attack on Wofford; Falconetti may have made a fake picture of Magnotta as the Ripper; you'll learn at the Warp Space well that someone with a c-space handle of Jack Rip or Clarence accessed the source code; Haman won't even be in the game at all; one of the Ripper calls would happen at the newsroom instead of Magnotta's apartment.
It needs more cowbell! ;P
So…how's your girlfriend, Quinlan? Did Catherine ever wake up from her coma? Don't you think that deserves a mention? No? Oh, okay.
You know, Spoony, I actually thought that was you in that comical ending scene where the guy covers that woman with pepper and gets knocked out the window by that girl with a broom…He looks and acts just like you would in a mock thriller segment.
Apparently it varies from game to game and in act 3, there are slight clues to who really is the ripper.
Choose the wrong one, or take too much time and you get murdered.
Oh game, How disappointing.Pretty much I'd like to un-suspect Catherine. I don't know what hints lead up to her being the ripper in her case. But my main thing is this…IF SHE WAS THE RIPPER WHY DID SHE PUT HERSELF INTO A COMA? There's no way she could have known what time to strike out and kill when she was literally brain dead except for those brief flashes of brain activity. And as for who killed the mother? Whoever killed the mother would have made sense to be the ripper. Burton would have been interesting since she would have used the “We swapped roles, someone was actually trying to kill me!” as a plasible defense. Ah well.
I love the tenth kingdom scenes you got into that. The people that made comments that dont know anything about that movie are missing out (of course thats my opinoin, i think that movie is hilarious and fun to watch).
Anyway, this is definitely not the worst FMV game ever (Ive seen and played way worse then this, and you've even talked about some of the worse ones) but the endings were horrible.
No matter which you get, the ending just feels like they took to long to develop the game so had to tack that on. Now of course I dont know how much you editted due to time but I do know you say you were only editting out moving from scene to scene so I can only believe that theres nothing to justify that horribly tacked on ending.
It's kind of a shame as I wouldve liked it to be more engaging. It didnt even make any sense. I mean ya the whole time based on the clues you got we suspected what we found to be the Ripper in your playthrough (trying not to give spoilers in my comment) a long ass time ago, but that scene didnt bring us to a stunning shock moment where the killer (known or not) finally admits it or gets unmasked in the act. Just not well placed at all. Thats the real let down of the game to me.
I'm also a bit sad there was no game coming into Noah's world moment like the end of Phantasmagoria 2. I guess this play through didnt have the same appeal as that one did. That and you hurt your foot so your limited right now. Im not knocking it tho, your riffs are still good as always, just saying that was missed =P
The games endings are more of a let down then anything else.
I was wondering when you were going to put a 10th Kingdom gag in, Spoony! Bravo! And it wouldn't have been a finale without the Clue-style multiple endings. Dang, I had forgotten how loopy Scott Cohen is in TK. It's true what TV Tropes says: you can pretty much replace every one of his lines (in the kitchen bit, anyway) with, “DID SOMEONE ORDER A LARGE HAM?!”Still love him, though. XD
I think he did a Doogie Howser joke in one of the first Ripper vids.
OMGYES! The 10th Kingdom was the shit when I was a kid. :)
Heck yes! I have it on DVD!
Wait, so every one of them was the Ripper? But at the same time not the Ripper? How dose that even make sence? Urg, my head hurts…
Chuck Norris should have been the ripper. His roundhouse kick would have made anyone explode. It could have been completely random too. No one would have suspected it.
THANK you Spoony that truely did kick major ass!! I have been waiting for the ending for a while!
To bad the butler didnt do it though.. oh wait.. that is Clue isnt it?
Seriously Catherine can be The Ripper? In that case who killed Josey? And who put her in a coma? And who did Quindlin shoot in the shoulder? (Joke)It would have made more sense if Quindlin had been the ripper. He benefited from this ordeal the most and he was the one snooping around other peoples apartments.(End joke)
I think for the most part I suspected falconeti but it's hard to know with their fictional computer science if the other suspects would have had the skill to do such things.
So there was no real ending? That sucks. Love the Clue reference! What was that psycho/cannibal clip from?
Actually… Why did her brain activity spike during every ripper attack? At first i was thinking the ripper could be using her brain for extra processing power to execute whatever program does this, but now, i kinda think she's it.
Putting herself in a coma is a good cover and it also brought her to Burton, who was the one who developed the technology the ripper uses, right? Also, it makes sense that she started to regain consciousness enough to pull off the grand finale.
Cheesy and unsatisfying as the ending was, i enjoy thinking about the vaguenesses. Though, i think they could have done it better.
Edit: Sorry, had to confirm Disqus.
Weaksauce form of multiple endings. Should be like Clue where there are clues to who the killer was, not just whoever you picks is right.
Still, a piece of gaming that should be used in acting classes everywhere showing off Walken. First watch the Deer Hunter, then this!
What I don't get is how you figured out the Ripper's true identity. Technically it could have been any one of them even then there was no clear indication that it was the doctor. The game had no really good wrap up. :( Did Catherine wake up? Did Falconeti blame you for killing his Ex? Is Magnata still un-fucking-believable? Inquiring minds want to know!
I'll top that. I've watched it and all the DVD extras, it reveals Wolf is Riding Hood's grandson. Still can't figure out the logistics of that! :P
Okay so I've read comments about the different clues and different endings. So the clues we saw and the build up was the Burton Ripper ending right? She is the one I had picked before we got to the end.
Also, I loved the extra ending even though I'd never seen 10th Kingdom, it still made me laugh.
Lastly, how did the main guy become a newspaper reporter when he can't even type? He only used 2 fingers! That's the craziest part of this game :D
Word to those who haven’t seen the 10th Kingdom. Rent it. Watch it.
It’s worth the 7 or so hours. A decade old, still a good time.
i hate multiple endings game like this
fallout 3 like ending are ok
as everyone said there are no big clues to who is the real ripper
so all of them could of been the ripper and you only got one
Love this game (with all it's faults:). Great cast, epic overacting, ambitious and often nonsensical subplots and very odd design choices. Great, great B-movie game.
Anyway, the killer is his girlfriend. The game does a rotten thing. It picks the killer more or less randomly, although the only one with a clear motive, clear opportunity and the only one burdened by evidence is his girlfriend. She didn't know who killed her mother (this would be the into scene?), so she decided to take out all the players. This explains how she survived the Ripper attack, where all the brain activity came from and why she was so close to Quinlan (because he was the only one truly investigating the murders and she could keep an eye on him). Also, in the final FMV Quinlan narrates in all three other cases that he won't go into madmen's motives, but in “his girlfriend is the killer” ending he explains the motive thoroughly. Finally these kind of stories always have a twist at the end, and she being the killer would be the only major twist in the game (since the mutant monkeys plotline decided to go nowhere).
The game probably had only this one ending but the creators decided to tack on others as possible killers because they thought this would extend the game's replay value.
However there are still couple of questions. Who did Quinlan shoot and who killed her mother in the first place (and who the f is Clarence:). It's probable that Magnotta was the original killer (he wanted to kill Burton for leaving him but got the wrong girl when Burton and Catherine's mother switched roles and then pinned it on Falconetti for stealing Burton away from him) and that he attacked Burgess Meredith because he found out he new something about the events. Since the designers realised that thay had no budget left, but still had 100 hours of plotline to go, the last act left this plot thread opened.
This game was waaay better (and cooler) than Black Dahlia by the same publisher. That game took itself way to seriously for it's mystical plotline.Maybe Spoony could try that one next. No Walken, but Dennis Hopper shows up for no reason in a scene or two.
Back to this game. Let's face it. The ending everyone was waiting for would be if the Ripper was the Continental. We want the DLC now!:)
Spoony did a great job on finding the Quinlan guy in The 10th kingdom. I couldn't remember a single role of his, and he did a fine job in the game.
Awesome job Noah. But I got a question you showed that when you kill someone the Falcon pops out and runs up to you but what happens when you kill him?
It shoud've ended “…but I did not feel up to pondering the “plot holes” of this ending, not today anyhow.”
I think that's what the developers said at the end of development, let's just wrap this up, screw the endng…
The clip was from a mini-series called “The 10th kingdom” http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0207275/
Thanks for sharing this one. I almost bought this many times in the 90's and was always curious because of the cool intro cinematic (which I had seen on a demo CD somewhere when the game released). Also glad I didn't buy it; in the pre-Gamefaqs era I would never have been able to figure out half the puzzles. So you saved me that headache as well as god knows how many hours of swapping discs. Cheers to you, sir, and I hope you do more of these. I don't quite have the audacity to suggest anything, though I think it would be cool to play through a non-FMV game (*cough* I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream *cough* DreamWeb), but I understand that the point isn't so much to play the game as it is to play and mock it. Keep it up, sir.
To be honest this wasn't my favorite among your Let's plays/Riffs. But it had more to do with the game itself then your riffs. The game was just so boring and uninteresting =/.
I really loved the ending though ^^. It was so awesome and unexpected XD.
I was really digging Ripper up until Act 3. It just sort of came apart at the seams, after what I thought was, actually a pretty cool little story. I felt like Spoony didn't have much to work with at that point but until then, there's some really funny stuff! I loved all the Warriors references.
Yeah that's what I thought too. I was genuinely interested to know who the ripper was but that was just unsatisfying to say the least.
God, I love Scott Cohen. Say whatever you want about this guy, but I 'really' enjoy his acting. Overall, Ripper was… quite… entertaining, actually. Seeing it as some sort of 'direct-to-video thriller produced in canada', it is quite good at that. David Patrick Kelly's character was suprisingly smooth as well. I kinda dig it.
So wait…Did Spoony have the patience to sit through the game four times for the alternate endings ?Or maybe he searched for saves online to cut through the bullshit…
I wondered who the actor for Quinlan was. When I saw the footage from the 10th kingdom, it all made sense…
Overall, I didn't really dig this let's play as much as the Phantasmagoria one.Maybe it's because the Phantasmagoria one was recorded at the same time he was playing it.
Oh well, still a good one.
I think it's because Phantasmagoria was overall a tad more cheesy and worse acting and plot wise. Especially since it took itselfs way too serious for it's own good. Ripper, while not being a masterpiece at any bit of sense, was much more enjoyable. The acting, while mostly feeling out-of-place because of the two-dimensional cameraperspectives and horrid backgrounds, was – at least – decend, and the whole experience felt overall enough aware of itself to get a good laugh out of it, even without Noah's commentary.
I guess one problem about this “let's play” is the fact that the imagery spoke enough for itself that Noah didn't even had to make that many jokes up. The Walken's overacting alone was glorious. In a nutshell: You watch the Phantasmagoria 2 “Let's play” for Noah's comedic talent, but you watch “Ripper” for the overall game experience. At least, that's how I see it.
That being said, I enjoyed the “Phantasmagoria 2″ playthrough more, as well.
Wow, those endings sucked ass. What a RIP off of a game :<
Actually, what Spoony did was play through Act 3 multiple times to get the different endings. You only get to talk with John Rhys-Davies if either Burton or Catherine was the killer; the altered photos only appear if Magnotta or Eddie did it. Going chronologically, the first real clue we get is the Ripper contacting Quinlin as he breaks into Magnotta's apartment; in that case, Magnotta is the Ripper, the other Rippers contacting you at a different location. So conflating the Burton and Magnotta sequences makes it look as though the Ripper is who you choose it to be whereas it really depends on what clues you receive.
So basically… it doesn't matter who you shoot, they're all the Ripper. Brilliant. Somehow I like Phantasmagoria 2 better but eh. Nice runthrough.
Ripper is actually really good and impressive for its time. The story is interesting (even if at times a BIT far fetched) and the amount of talent within it is high.
But like many games of its kind in that era: it has the horribly long transition periods, overly complicated puzzles, somewhat campy acting (not as bad as games like Phantasmagoria 1, but that game was so over the top if became awesome – goes to show professional actors go a long way.), weird interface bugs, Many CD's,etc..etc.
None of that makes it a bad game(every game then tended to have the crazy puzzles), just not the best game. A lot of the limitations we had 15 years ago are gone, and a remade Ripper probably would be a lot of fun.
But why would it spike ONLY at those times? If Catherine was killing it would pop up before then to prepare.
Think of it like your computer is Off and then suddenly it's on and has opened up a webpage. No load up times. No impetus for it happening. It just DID IT. And if it was Catherine, she would have to have some brain activity to notice when things were happening, like that the mortician was giving tips and all for her to even decide to kill him. Unless she guessed it would all happen before hand and decided to kill him anyway, but how would she know how to pick that time?
And her plan for putting herself into a coma had alot of drawbacks, It relied on the fact that he had to rebuild alot of her memory… Speaking of which, if she never had her memory rebuilt, well, would she even remember she WAS the ripper?
Spoony One, thanks for that clip there at the end. I've since made sure to put the entirety of the 10th Kingdom on my Netflix queue. Anything where a crazy person tries to shove an old lady into the oven needs to be watched.
You know, for some reason I always thought Richard Bright's character would have something major to do with the whole thing in the end, especially seeing as he mysteriously just left near the beginning and wasn't talked about again…
This was horrendous.
You have Christopher Walken, Karen Allen, John Rhys-Davis and other quality actors in your game. The puzzles are merciless, disc-swapping is constant, and just moving in the world is an ordeal. You'd think a game that came on SIX DISCS would have a pretty long, satisfying ending, where you got some closure with the other characters. What happened with Haman? How would Quinlan get back at Magnatta? What would happen with Dodds now that the truth was out? What about Dr Burton and her unholy army of psycho monkeys? I'd expect something like five or ten minutes.
Instead, we get a one-minute clip of Quinlan typing at his desk (a grim foreshadowing of the future, where Quinlan is one of the first thousand typewriter operators to be killed in the Great Monkey Uprising Operation: Shakespeare?) WITH AN INTERCHANGABLE VOICEOVER.
No, game! Not good enough! For a game that required you to take notes, spending precious paper and pencil graphite, to solve the puzzles, the gamer deserves more than that!
Man. If I played that game as a teen, I would've been mightily ticked off.
Still, Spoony's review saves it for the predictable (but no less appreciated) Clue reference, and I can't believe other people have seen The 10th Kingdom! I loved that show, but somehow I missed the final episode, and I never got around to watching it. Now I'm a bit weird about it for some reason.
A weird end to an excellent Riff Track/Review.We need a 'This guy, is un-fucking-believable' T-Shirt made outta this.
There are so many fucking t-shirts that can come be of the froobywoosday
i'd love 2c a tgwtg version of this game somone going around killing reviewers and spoony having to find out who it is my votes on bennet the sage that guy would rip people because it went insane from reading my immortal lol
Wow, that was a really weird game. Thanks for sharing such an odd slice of gaming history, it's really something.
Wow, what a horribly anti-climactic final “battle” and ending. I'm totally going to look up the 10th Kingdom now though xD
Clap! Clap! Clap! You have finally finished and I am pleased. Loved the long funny as hell ride into the Walkeny goodness Spoony. You are still the man!
I agree! The shirt would have to have the very best Walken picture on it. Cause he is unfuckinbeleiveable.
Funny stuff as always man.
“DIE YOU MONKEY BITCH!!” XD The best freakin' part about the ending!
Now I'm curious – do you get any real hints as to who the Ripper is in a given play-through, or is it pure luck?
Also, on an unrelated note, though I'm sure everyone has seen it before, I was perusing music videos looking for weirdness, and found a link to Fatboy Slim's “Weapon of Choice” ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrHXs5UUX9M ) Just watch that while thinking about this.
Okay so basically they didnt want to go to the trouble of deciding which one the ripper was so they just made it random… Either that or it doesnt even matter which one you blast, whichever one it is, thats the ripper… lol… that is one of the most anticlimatic endings ever
I still say it was the rage monkeys. I mean it shows you all of the suspects but the person who does the ripping if you dont attack is dressed differently.
hmm That's a pretty good breakdown scissors69 it makes sense now.
All I have to say is Quinlan going batshit crazy in that 10th Kingdom clip was the perfect way to end it lol. Like with FF8 or Phatasmagoria I am kind of sad to see it end. But at least this frees Spoony up to begin reviewing some other obscure an oddly entertaining old game.
The Tenth Kingdom clip made me lawl. That was such a good series. Made up for the shitty endings at least XD
I remember way, waaaaaay back, that I was even enticed to buy this game, just based on the cast alone. I seen it for $80 I remember. Then as I was going to buy it the cashier told me “Don't waste your money, the ending is shit.” FACT FOR FACT those are the exact words. So I took the advice and bought some others instead. I got that stack of games laying around here somewhere. But I'll never forget the day that I received that advice. That advice got me plenty of other GREAT GAMES and I think I saved like a few bucks because I bought a pop and chips I remember for the bike ride home. Ahhh the good ol' days when you feel great about making a wise decision. Today you just don't get that anymore with the internet. It's a shame. Those games are classics too the ones I picked up back then. I gotta find em and post the titles.
AAhhhh shit, ok that was kind of disappointing. Then again this was the predecessor to later games like knights of the old republic with their light side/dark side system, I guess this was just one of those stumbles needed to perfect the art!
Wow. Even if the cashier did advise you against it, you still turned down a game starring Christopher Walken, David Patrick Kelly, John-Rhys Davies and Jimmy Walker. I'd have bought it no matter what anyone told me.
You can play the clips from discs. He found the clips of different endings.
If the games ending didn't suck ass Katherine as the Ripper would have been a good twist. All they had to do was explain to you who killed Katherine's mother in the final game of Ripper and how Katherine knew how to put herself into a coma because what they told about why she did it didn't make any sense. Her mother's death made her become the new Ripper, that's all fine and good except that doesn't tell us who killed her mother. The game wants you to believe that whoever killed Katherine's mother in that final game was also the new Ripper but it obviously can't be a Katherine, a small mistake that killed that ending to the game. Of course I doubt the creators even cared since they obviously spent no time on that ending and went for the easiest way they could think of to end the game.
Oh and we defiantly need a Spoony commentary on the finale of Ripper.
What? No! It would have been perfect — she didn’t know which of these jerks killed her mother, or alternatively she just blames them all so she slaughters all the original members of the clique. Makes sense. Well, as much sense as anyone else of the four being the culprit.
I think you both missed a big plot hole.
I haven’t played the game myself in a long time, but as I remember Orville Redenbacher is attacked in every incarnation of the game (Regardless of whom the ripper is in that version.) but if the Ripper is Katherine, how the hell did she get out of her coma? I understand she attacked everyone else by breaking into the net through the hospitals firewall but she couldn’t go and attack Mickey Goodwill using computers. Now am I missing something? In the “Katherine did it” version; is Burgess Meredith not attacked or is there something else to explain that?
I just did a quick search and learned that in Katherine is the killer it turns out Gimli attacked Grandpa Gustafson.
So turns out I’m an idiot.
apocalypse…huh, hmm well yaknow I just found out about that cause why the hell would I be drawing from the point of the game write…sorry right? anyway…standing by…
This was a “Let's Play” with commentary. A “review” implies an indication of approval/disapproval and some degree of scoring.
To be honest, I was thinking all three of the Webrunners did it. And it seemed like they were all accusing each other but that was only because they knew Quinlin was getting too close and someone had to take the fall like twenty years ago.
In a way, I was right. But in another I was dead wrong. My failing was giving this game too much credit.
That’s actually a really cool idea, but it only makes sense if they had known all along about Quinlan placing bugs in the offices (since if they didn’t, they would have been talking honestly about the murders amongst themselves). The idea that they’re putting on a show for him is pretty awesome, but it ceases to be plausible because of the bugs. Still would have been better than a randomized killer, though.
Oh man Spoony congrats on the Clue reference. I about cried laughing at that. One of my all-time favorite bad movies.
Ah, of course, my apologies. I was using review in the more general sense of evaluation, but I see what you mean.
wow… the real endings, aside the you lose and died kinda suck. Putting in that 10th Kingdom clip did add some laughs.
Holy crap, now I know why Quinlan looked familiar… Scott Cohen plays a character in my favorite Law and Order series! No wonder…
so after all that the ripper ends up being whoever you want him to be? (sigh) i feel like calling up Phantasmagoria 2 and apologizing
From what I've read, I don't think the Ripper ends up being whoever you want. The clues, and therefore the real killer, varies with each play-through.
But since the ending is essentially the same each time, what's the point of going through multiple play-throughs?
I had no idea that software deletion involved explosions or that professional journalists employ the hunt and peck technique when typing.
One of the best music videos…. ever :D
Disappointing… Guess the developers really wanted ze player to have an impact on the story by doing this. However, it was pretty disappointing… and stupid.
Great walkthrough, though, Mr Antwiler!
since you made me buy this game here is a tip:http://store.steampowered.com/sub/964/
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Imagine if you were reading a murder mystery and the last page wrote, “Pick the killer, whoever you want it to be, we don't care.”
Even with the disappointing end it has been a great journey Spoony. You do good shit. YDGS should be a new acronym if it isn't one already.
I'd like to see the rest of little quips that come right after you tag the Ripper with the weapon (see: Falconetti at 4:32 into the video), if there are any more. I'm just curious to see if Walken overacts or phones in his last line before walking off stage.
so the ripper is… whoever you want it to be.
what a stupid ending XD
Yes. I am disappointed that the Ripper was never really revealed. But now matter. I no look forward to Captain American. As well as the Spoony production of Captain America vs. Dr. Insano.
Ahh, that ending was total bollocks. My guess was catherine BTW!
Oh well the journey was more important than the destination it seems. I'm content with that. Best moment had to be the Walken reading impressions. I almost fell of my chair laughing at that.
This might have been a pretty lame way to end their game (in some ways I kind of like how the ending is sort of the same, but I'd like a bit more poetic elements if they were going to can that old pattern), but if nothing else it did sort of inspire sort of my own ideas on what they could have done as a way to end it. In my own considerings, they really did have a selling point as to how any of them could have been the demented killer the whole time. For their own reasons they came to hate each other, not quite equally, but there wasn't any parterning up between them, they were all against each other. Eddie would probably be the hardest to pin as the killer though, since if he is the murderer of the first woman (assuming the real Ripper did start it all off with that crime), meaning he meant to kill his future wife, that means he wanted her dead for some reason (but then he marries her; seems his hate for her came after she left him). The cop could have done it as a means to get revenge on her for not being with him, frame Eddit, and use his guilt when it was his crime to ride to fame, power, and that sort of thing. Obviously he would have to frame Eddie with fake evidence and other tactics (since he's the guy doing it all), but he has the ability and man-power to do it (and those two definitely give power behind their acting to be nuts enough for it, I'm leaning towards the cop here myself though). Either way though, the surgeon's records would have had to been stolen, giving her plenty of resources herself (motivation would be tricky though; if she wanted Eddie screwed, he could get framed, but the cop would get power and fame from it and their relationship for her is hatred so she wouldn't want him getting revenge or gain from her crimes, and for me her relationship towards Eddie is more distrust and fear I'd guess). This is sort of assuming an insane person would be rational in their thoughts, but such obsession over so many years (I don't quite get the waiting period myself though, other than to make the mystery more skewered through time, since it didn't separate out suspects to their advantage like waiting that damn long would be planned for), and then committing the crimes without direct evidence busting any of them leads me to think they wouldn't screw up their goals but get the criminal activities and escaping capture down correctly (more or less). What really happens here is trying too hard to make it a mystery that had obscure clues as to who did it without it being too obvious (anyone could at any point prove to be the murderer; which is good, but not at the sacrifice of overall coherence). Catherine to me is the least likely (especially since I don't remember that much from the beginning now). Since it is assumed to be connected to the first game so long ago, who killed her mom (that would be a separate crime unsolved, and without much motivation it seems; other than a mistake to kill the other bitch, but hey she's still alive. Maybe the person was a petty murderer, felt horrible for killing at all, but especially for killing the wrong person and committed suicide?). Anyways, other than making it all a big conspiracy as to how it was her the whole time for a shock ending (or the obvious idea that since the game cycled through 4 main choices, there was the real killer who just wasn't included as it tried to force your hand to pick one of the four and you had to ignore the compulsion to act on instict and pick one of the four obvious choices, Catherine being the big secret twist, revealing as you waited the real real secret twist killer), she only had the fake coma, steal the story (not getting how that would be tied in), and kill everyone else associated with the game for revenge on her mother's death motivation (which would only serve to make the paranoia, hatred, and warped relationship the trio had as filler for the real killer, who was there the whole time like in the first Saw movie; gay by the way).
Yes, just rambling about how they all had motivations, you all know all of that stuff, just detailing it out for myself I suppose. Here's my idea on how they could have warped it into a cheap mind fuck (like Phantasmagoria 2). The gaming experience had been introduced to new elements by Eddie, who used or asked the other two for seemingly minor technical gizmos or programs (or hell, they were obsessed and were glad to help him by contributing all sorts of screwy programs or what not), and played around with some ideas to make it a whole new gaming experience. He screws it all up though because they're tampering with crap they don't understand together, let alone him mixing it all together himself, and what happens is it triggered the one female's death, and those three crafted a disturbing cyber-psychic connection between them somehow (they were plugged in using elements they concocted to test his ideas to make it better, and they fused or whatever). It created an insane triangle where they were both friends wanting to play this game they obsessed over, and who blamed the death on each other (and the relationship issues where the surgeon was between the two dudes). Over the years it just warped further and further, where they each went out and played different parts towards what would become the same goals of incarnating the Ripper in some sense. Surgeon chick did at least the foregrounds to the program, Eddie did testing garbage and played the main original suspect, and the cop threw a monkey wrench in to throw more people off and perfected the program (all 3 have experience with bodies and murder as well it seems, all different angles of it). Catherine isn't Ms. Innocent, but she isn't at all behind the murders (her guilt is in trying to steal the story and playing what's his face). So the reason all 3 seem to be possibly guilty is because they all are, and here's how you have to win with that one program at the end(oh, and the reason their genders cycled and could shift who killed who is because it's 3 people). Their relationship is so twisted and deranged to where they don't even know what's going on really, the only way to win is to kill Catherine. They hate each other (mixed in with obsessive love towards each other, since they are joined somehow) and want each other dead, but if you do kill one the other two snap against you and rip you to pieces, stabalizing their relationship where they get along well enough to become truly monsterous murderers (genocide scale here; so horrible ending). When you kill off Catherine as the murderer, when they all know on some level it's them (consciously or not, they could be all unaware of what they're doing) it throws their relationship into chaos and they kill each other and end it. Either way, Catherine will die, just in one case the criminals die and the world is better off and become wary of technology, or its abused by the criminals and they go rampant. Working out the technical details behind it would suck, but the concept would be more of a mind messing one, and the ending would have more punch and definitive right or wrong (though the right one still blows). If anyone reads this far, what'd any of you think of this redesign so to say?
Waaaiitt so…there wasn't a specific Ripper? It was just whoever you wanted it to be? That sucks. :P But I guess after all those puzzles they didn't want to throw another one at you towards the end…oh well, it was still fun to watch. Great Job!
Ya, what a wasted ending. Though contray to what many have said, it isn't pick a Ripper. The game randomises it each time and intersperses the game with different clues. Now if only we could force him to play FFX somehow. I get the feeling his hatred would create a monumentally awsome rant video.
Also, has anyone else seen the odd grouping of Women in underware ad above idiotic PETA ad? This may sound strange but am I the only one being made to feel hungry by whatching that?
the game is supposed to randomise the ripper each time as well as place slightly different clues each time. I do have to say that these endings would've made me rage. interesting game overall with a few bad quirks. great review spoony
Wow, such an anticlimactic ending.
It's just like the new Alone's in the Dark's endings, pretty epic game is scope, then it just ends.
if the ripper and clues are random each time then the real question is “just how many times did spoony end up playing threw this game?”
Only one time!
The first CD of the game includes a movie player with which you can see any of the FMV movies without having to play the game itself.I also watched the alternative endings with this when I finished Ripper many years ago.
being a bit off-topic here, but i found something i haven't seen in a while and i'm surprised spoony him being a wrestling “fan” hasn't mentioned, praised/bashed this series yet. it would make a funny thing to review, i warn you the following may scar you for life and if by chance you've seen it before i am sorry to re-open old wounds and rubbing them with salt.
you have been warned…
Dear Spoony, does it depress you that so many of your fans are BLOODY IDIOTS? This is better than the confusion the ending to your Dirty Harry video caused.
The Ripper is NOT whoever you want it to be. Seriously, people.
cheers you commentors, else I wouldnt have had a clue about what was happening at the end.
Aww, this sucks. This game could have been cool, but the multiple endings kinda ruin it. Yeah, there's a specific Ripper each time, but the fact that it's not any particular person makes playing this game kinda useless. I really wanted to know who it was. My money was on Catherine.
GOD DAMNIT QUINN, STOP CHICKEN PECKING YOUR KEYBOARD! Annoys the hell out of me. >w<
It was going to be pretty anticlimactic regardless of which killer you get. I also like the reference to the movie Clue, i love that movie. Can anyone tell me what movie that spoony showed clips from where Scott Cohen played that crazy psychopath? That was so hilarious that now i need to get myself a copy of that movie just to see the whole thing.
Hey Spooney, did you know that at the dos prompt if you type riper.exe instead of ripper.exe you'll get a little cinematic about a gross apple? Now you know.
The Scott Cohen clip is from “The Tenth Kingdom” which aired on cable as a mini-series. That's also the source of the “Mr. Wolf” joke spoony made. I think it aired in 2001, it all takes place in fairy-tale land and Cohen plays a wolf. Sort of a cross between the big bad wolf and Pepe LePeu.
Oh, SHIT yeah!
This game is worth jack shit. but the presence of Christopher Walken and the Blue öyster Cult puts it up to a solid 7/10!
sure as hell enjoyed your playthrough! moar please :D how about The 11th Hour?
You put clips from the 10th kingdom in there. Spoony you are my hero! I haven't seen that movie in ages!
A wonderful review as always. Hahaha Witty till the very end. I didn't put the main character as Wolf though till I saw him pepperin' up the old lady. FFFFF shows was a damn ass I am.
Too bad you don't have any cheats like the ones in this game for Bloodwings, eh?
i don't think i completely under stand. the murderer could have been any one of them? a game with so many intriguing and stimulating puzzles and the most important decision of the game and you can't make the wrong answer?
i don't think i completely understand. the murderer could have been any one of them? the most important decision of the game and you can't make the wrong choice?
Hysterical as always, Spoony. With regard to the game itself, for the time and the genre, actually not too bad. A damn sight better than Phantasmagoria 2 at any rate, and the awesome cast and theme song definitely lend cool points. The story was kind of silly, but not too shabby. I think I may steal them for a cyberpunk-themed GURPS campaign I'm working on. The non-specific multiple killer ending was a real cop-out though. If they had actually provided a Scooby-Doo-esque recap outlining why each one could have been the killer, it would have been a lot more fun. Oh, well. Can't win them all.
I love these playthrough riffs. Keep making 'em, Spoony, and I'll keep watching.
Depending on who the “correct” Ripper is on your play though, Act 3 will change and different characters will or will not show up. John Rhys Davies only appears if Catherine or Burton is the ripper for example. Most people have come to the general consensus that the “canon” ending is the one where Catherine is the Ripper considering it gets the longest monologue and makes the most sense for a twist ending.
Fantastic Mini-Series. I'd recommend it to anyone who missed it (saw the original airing when I was about 12, liked it then, and it holds up about a decade later)
Scott Cohen completely steals the show.
Great review, although I do feel rather gypped by the ending.
Quinlan was infected with the crazy talking monkey virus! That's why he's so feral at the end!
Man the tie in to the 10th Kingdom was awesome. As was Clue. As a reviewer I know you don't much like being asked to do a movie, but you've gotta do Clue just cuz of that. Or the 10th Kingdom, but that wasn't bad so there's not much point. You also always mention Krull, maybe you should review that one too.
Did anyone else have fond memories stirred of ReBoot based on the “futuristic” graphics they used for parts of cyberspace?
I think it was Falcon Eddi for this playthrough.
WTF, no definitive suspect is the Ripper? I hate that. thanks for the video, it was entertaining. and once again, that girl from the intro of the game is damn hawt.
and WTH with those random clips of that actor? lol
Think I saw almost all the “FMV – Hell” -reviews, riffs and rants from this site before the horrible truth of my stupid marvelicity dawned on me. FMV is short for Full Motion Video… Before the taunting and name-calling begins; I did recognize when the frenzy in releases from this concept started that it would fail in 99% of the titles and never bought a single title! So if you own any copies, even for nostalgic purposes, I revoke your right to belittle my stunningly late realization.
Although, feel free to trash me being 19(!, actual fact) before I realized that birds wont actively aim to shit on your tongue if you stick it out too much. Stupid grown-up scare tactic! I could have stretched my tongue to match Gene Simmons from a much younger age if I realized that sooner!
Why would you post this? You may as well said “I’m retarded, but please don’t bully me about it :(“
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The real fundamental flaw with this game is this. It's not a good mystery.
It does start off very well, as far as mysteries go. But it looses the plot with the 3 main suspects + Catherine. The problem boils down to one simple thing: motive.
Of the 4 potential Rippers, only *one* has an honest-to-God motive: Catherine. Revenge for her mother's death. The other 3 have motives, but those motives are only for killing *each other*. Killing the rest of the WebRunners just doesn't make sense, motive-wise.
That's why the ending voiceover for the other 3 don't go into motive, simply saying they're insane: because it flat-out doesn't make sense for them to be doing it. Only Catherine has a legitimate motive, and only in Catherine's ending voiceover is that motive discussed.
I get the distinct impression that the developers originally intended the main 3 to be false and Catherine to be the real Ripper all along. But then someone decided that they could shoot a little extra footage and change a couple of things to make any of them were the Ripper. So they decided to do this random Ripper thing, which ultimately doesn't make sense.
Alas, as previously mentioned, her brain activity spiked on the day of the killings. That would somehow mean she could have killed them. But what about the letters and stuff? The audio message thingies? And well, to at all prepare for all that some brain activity must have occured. I can understand later on though, when some is restored, but it still bothers me. Another thing with the Katherine ripper thing is… well, she's Quinlan's assistant… how in the world did she get the high-tech stuff to execute the murders? They stated that the killer would have to be seriously rich to obtain such tools… I might have missed something, but it kind of bugs me
They did talk about having timers when referring to the way the Ripper killed, and if the Ripper was such a genius like everyone said it might boil down to knowing how people would act and react and plan accordingly-making it so they could prerecord some audio, have it triggered at a certain point, and make it seem even less plausible it was Catherine. She did know a lot, and even looking at her apartment is saying something for her funds. As Spoony said, she went through a lot of trouble just for a few simple puzzles. Now, of course, those could just be taken as simple puzzles that don't really connect to the story and go along with the puzzle aspect of the game, which they mostly do.
However, I am biased. I thought it was Catherine, and went along with it because she seems the most likely suspect, and because they even go far as to not include her as a suspect and play down her role so much it would make sense if she turned out to be the killer. That is a main reason I'm disappointed they'd cheapen the ending by having whoever it was you chose be the “killer” be the killer, not even going on to have more murders to show you were wrong or anything. It totally defeats the purpose of even putting a mystery there, in my own opinion.
They did talk about having timers when referring to the way the Ripper killed, and if the Ripper was such a genius like everyone said it might boil down to knowing how people would act and react and plan accordingly-making it so they could prerecord some audio, have it triggered at a certain point, and make it seem even less plausible it was Catherine. She did know a lot, and even looking at her apartment is saying something for her funds. As Spoony said, she went through a lot of trouble just for a few simple puzzles. Now, of course, those could just be taken as simple puzzles that don’t really connect to the story and go along with the puzzle aspect of the game, which they mostly do.
However, I am biased. I thought it was Catherine, and went along with it because she seems the most likely suspect, and because they even go far as to not include her as a suspect and play down her role so much it would make sense if she turned out to be the killer. That is a main reason I’m disappointed they’d cheapen the ending by having whoever it was you chose be the “killer” be the killer, not even going on to have more murders to show you were wrong or anything. It totally defeats the purpose of even putting a mystery there, in my own opinion.
I’m going to have to agree with you on this one. Besides, it’s always alluded to that the first death – Cathrine’s mother – was done by the same guy that did the rest of the killings. That then brings up the question of why would Cathrine kill her own mother and then seek revenge for it? Personally, I always thought of Magnotta as being the one with motive. The fact that he obviously had control issues and psychological disturbances, coupled with the way Claire and Eddie shot him down could easily of sent him over the edge. The other WebRunners were good targets to perfect his method, and they would’ve had insight into his own personal psychosis and obsessions.
Still, even in Spoony’s playthrough, I don’t get what evidence was the damning nail in Burton’s coffin. Going into Whitechapel, it seemed everyone was as likely.
Actually her killing her own mother would make sense. There have been several stories like the song of Hildebrandt which more or less influenced the Soul Blade character Siegfreid.
She could had done it by accident or she could had done it purposefully and then either gone insane inside her head or grown addicted to killing. There are many ways the mind could had turned.
There is a problem with that. The original killer was never trying to kill Josey Dorset. The original killer meant to kill Clair Burton, then Clair Burton and Josey Dorset switched characters so that the original killer accidentally killed Josey Dorset. Why would Catherine want to kill Clair Burton before her mother died? How would Catherine even know Clair Burton back then? So Catherine still lacks any intelligible motive to have been the original killer at the Jack The Ripper game and start all of this stuff.
What a horrible gip of an ending.
You know who it should have been? The horny night nurse who was coming on to our hero while his girlfriend lay in a coma.
Horny night nurse = ripper. That would have been pure awesomeness.
I loved the Tenth Kingdom. I really need to watch it again…
Worst… Ending… Ever!!! I’m glad I never played this game as I would have seriously been ticked off at the fact that there is no correct or incorrect choice. Killer should have been Jhon Rys Davies. He just has a sinister look to him. :)
After all this time, I would hope that people would have figured out that he was showing all the possible endings that can be achieved, not that all the endings can be had by chance. Each playthrough would give you a few different clues to lead to a different killer.
Dude that game was fucking insane! It seemed so damn complicated at times,I woulda went insane playing that game! Great review as always Spoony! You da man!!
Ok so, I understand that the culprit is randomized… What I don’t understand is, what are the clues that actually point to Karen Allen in Spoony’s playthrough ?… And do they actually make sense ?
It looked more like it only depends on who you kill with your shurrikan thingy in that one scene where all people appear and dissappear one after another :-/
No, there’s only one answer each time. If you choose the wrong one, you get the bad ending where Quinlan dies.
This has got to be the Opus of Spoony right here. The jokes are in top form, a perfect combination of riffing, let’s plays, combined with a fairly interesting story. Just a word to the wise, don’t go watching this after your let’s play is in final editing makes you want to scrap the entire thing.
This was a great series Spoony. There was some very funny stuff in this, and the game was interesting.
Oh MAN The Tenth Kingdom! BEST END EVER.
spooneyone, you are the funniest and most awesomest person i have ever seen and you deserve your own tv show. but i doubt they’l give it to you, cause then no other TV shows would ever be watched.
Anyone knows the music that plays during the multiple ending bit?
its from the movie clue starring tim curry and christopher lloyd
I came to see this review after I saw nostalgia critic’s top 11 most awkward Christopher Walken moments. I got really curious about this game, specially that is is the pre-internet creation, one of game development trends that is not that popular now (are there any games now with these kind of video?). It is also speculation about the future, the information society, how information creates a special “space” where people can connect and be out of their body. It is really interesting how dark it all is (a trend of dark future cyber society, imprinted deeply since Blade Runner movie – not my though, it is from Lev Manovich book “The language of new media”). I am very interested in game history, cyberpunk and whole media and information society formation. Out of theoretical point this game is fascinating.
Though the ending kind of disappointed me – what the point of actually trying to solve the mystery if any answer is valid. Of course we could go into theoretical realm about alternative reality or self fulfilling prophecy. But I wanted some more solid answer. I guessed that this Ripper is a AI in cyberspace, that was created during the time people played The Ripper game, their thoughts, schemes, ideas of being a perfect ripper created this one killer mind that started killing and stayed in cyberspace for all that time. Well it staying silent for 15 years would need extra explanation in plot, but that would be cool cyberpunk and AI/technology fearing themes.
Thanks, Spoony <3
I think the same thing Agne but I vary slightly. I picture the Ripper AI that developed leaving a fragment of itself in each of their minds as a result of the unexpected shutdown of the game. Thus it sits there, incomplete and searching but not sure why until it stumbles upon Eddie and his game and feels more complete. With how much Eddie is online it is inevitable that another player would log on at the same time giving it more completeness and it realizes it needs to take back what has been stolen from it. So it experiments as they are online and begins to kill them one by one becoming stronger each time. Once it gains enough strength and realizes that someone is a threat to it it begins going after people who have information on it but WEREN’T players all to buy time until it could truly be free. Finally the epic showdown begins and ends with a shell game as you try to figure out which one is the killer before you are finished. There is the trick. Each answer was valid because they each had a fragment of the AI in their head but none of them were guilty as none of them were the murderers. The fail ending where someone removes the visor is where the Ripper escapes cyberspace into one of the players to continue his murder spree. In this shell game it doesn’t matter which shell you choose because it was to distract you from the guy picking your pocket the whole time. Seriously though, shoot the lady. Those Rage monkeys need to be stopped more than a psycho hacker who will kill himself in a less than epic knife vs gunfight with the cops or a corrupt detective who reads Dr. Seuss.
No, there’s only one randomly generated killer each time the game is run, unfortunately. The storyline diverges in Act 3 into a different direction depending on who it is. As awesome as your concept would be, there is only one valid answer for the Ripper. It seems they just got lazy with the ending, or ran out of time or funds. :(
I still think Spoony’s theory about the talking Rage Monkeys was far more interesting than anything the writers could come up with. Seriously, the clues were all there waiting to be uncovered.
the anticlimax is itself a puzzle… there is a 1 killer, but you need
to find it for yourself, because even quinlin doesnt get it … YOU have
to get it. … see because in the restraints of HIS game world/life, he
only sees part of the story, but through us playing through it, we see
the Whole picture.
i guess iam just not satisfied… piece of shhiii
So what exactly is used to figure out which of those suspects is the ripper, if it’s different per game?
Yeah, you’re right Spoony.
This show, this FUCKIN’ show – let me tell you about this fuckin’s show.
‘The Tenth Kingdom’, is un fuckin’ believable.
W-wait…so the Ripper…was EVERYONE? What the? What a cop out. You can’t fail! Unless you TRY to fail, which is the best ending, and even then, THEY STILL LEAVE IT BLANK! Lazy Sods…
yeah what an awful game, i agree the failed ending is the best.
The ripper is randomly determined from one of the four possible subjects when you start the game. It COULD BE everyone.
Yes, it’s a lazy, hackneyed attempt to get the player to play the game more than once.
Yay Tenth Kingdom!! seriously who makes a game that you basically can’t lose
that is without a doubt the worst ending to a game I’ve seen. I would have actually liked to hear spoony rant about it though
Well, that was a piece of shit ending. It’s a shame, because despite how Spoony set out to make this look bad, I actually found the story intriguing. It had a lot of good elements and ideas. It did a good job of keeping me interested in it all the way until the end, but that ending was just so disappointing. They could have also made a number of cool twists, like having it so that Quintan already had the Ripper’s kill code inside of him since the beginning without realizing it. It seems like they were also going to have some interesting explanation for the characters’ damaged shoulders, but they let that go to waste as well. The art style itself is extemely dated and cheezy, but I really liked just how creepy and atmospheric the 1996 envisioning of how the internet could be. If there’s one thing I would really like to see, its a remake of this game. Not a sequel, but an actual remake that ties up all the loose ends. Sadly, though, they probably wouldnt be able to bring back Christopher Walken.
Just to clarify for everyone because Spoony didn’t make it clear: there is only one killer, but this changes during each playthrough. The game decides in advance who it is by picking one at random. Thus the clues change slightly in each play-through because, while the Ripper can actually be any one of these people, it is only ONE of them in each play-through. This means that you CAN hit the wrong person and loose the game (hence the bad ending!!). Spoony just confused the issue by showing all the endings without telling you how or why you get them (I presume he thought it was obvious).
In essence, the killer changes every time you play and you do have to pay attention and pick the right one at the end – so it is actually a pretty smart game, for all its flaws.
Well that certainly changes things quite a bit and that is a pretty smart idea for a game. But still, even if Magnotta was meant to be the Killer in Spoony’s playthough, the game still had a lot of unanswered questions. For example, if Dr. Burton was the one the killer originally targeted when the web runners were playing their games, why didn’t he try to kill her a second time after getting Catherine’s mother by mistake? Instead the killer went after all the other web runners years later. And what was Dr. Burton actually doing with the money she acquired from that Mobster? Why did the killer want a model of white chapel built? Why was Catherine really spared? I think the game left way too many questions, and also didn’t really explain why Jack the Ripper was significant to the whole story other than the fact that the killer wanted to copy him. And even considering the fact that the game does vary each playthough, the ending with Quintan typing at his computer was still very anticlimatic and boring.
Just watching old Spoony videos and I decided to look through the comments on a whim. Think I’ll join in on the speculation of the plot.
“For example, if Dr. Burton was the one the killer originally targeted
when the web runners were playing their games, why didn’t he try to kill her a second time after getting Catherine’s mother by mistake?”
I’m going to guess lack of opportunity or motivation. The whole point to killing people over the net was that (theoretically) it couldn’t be traced back to the killer. Since the first Ripper death, the three had gone their separate ways and forgone all contact with each other (presumably over the net too) outside of professional need, acting mostly through intermediaries. There’s also the possibility that before Burton created that kill code, the only way they could kill each other over the net was through some sort of exploit in the code of the Ripper game they used to play. The game alludes to this In an earlier segment where Gambit Nelson mentions that the Ripper game was pulled from their publisher’s archive and never re-released, suspecting that it must’ve been connected to something bad. Perhaps there was an exploit in the game’s code that could result in a player’s death when they were killed in-game, prompting the publisher to pull the game in a desperate attempt to bury their responsibility. As for motivation, if the killer was Falconetti then he couldn’t well try to kill Burton immediately after being arrested for murdering Catherine’s mother because he’d be the first suspect, dropped charges or not. If the killer was Magnotta, then he had already succeeded in destroying Falconetti’s marriage to Burton, so there was no immediate need to continue since Falconetti was (presumably) going to go the jail for the murder anyway.
“Instead the killer went after all the other web runners years later.”
Burton’s kill code made it possible to kill those people over the net without fear of being caught. If it was Falconetti, Burton, or Magnotta, then it was just a matter of timing (the invention of the code) and tying up loose ends (the surviving members that were the only witnesses to the murder). If it was Catherine, then this would be presumably after she managed to track down the identities and locations of the other members of the Webrunners that she blamed for her mother’s death and gotten hold of the kill code from Burton.
“And what was Dr. Burton actually doing with the money she acquired from that Mobster?”
Buying equipment and paying for her research if she was on the level, or paying for the hardware Soap mentioned the killer would need to implement the kill code if she was indeed the killer. Falconetti was a criminal, so getting large sums of money on the fly wouldn’t be a problem for him. Magnotta presumably had plenty of money from collecting bounties as a detective over the years as well.
“Why was Catherine really spared?”
Either she managed to defend herself due to the combination of the kill code not being complete (mentioned by Soap) and her abnormally strong psychic defenses (mentioned by Burton), or she was the killer and had staged her “attack” to draw suspicion off of her and cover her trail.
“Why did the killer want a model of white chapel built?” “…why Jack the Ripper was significant to the whole story other than the fact that the killer wanted to copy him.”
The point was that the Ripper game held huge significance to the Webrunners. Not only were they always playing that game when they were together, it was also the last game they played before they split up following the traumatic event of the death of Catherine’s mother. To the surviving members, it was a symbol of fonder days long since past as well as the source of their falling out (outside of the love triangle that is). If the killer was Burton/Falconetti/Magnotta, it was where they discovered their fascination with murder. To Catherine, it was where/how her mother died, and where those she blamed for the murder stood idly by as she lost her family. Flaring on the dramatic side, it was a means of revenge, hence the need to make a model of white chapel as a hunting ground for the final reckoning.
“And even considering the fact that the game does vary each playthough, the ending with Quintan typing at his computer was still very anticlimatic and boring.”
Sorry I have to disagree, the killer was indeed Dr. Burton, having played this game multiple times I saw the clues: if the Ripper was Magnotta or Eddie they would have given you a picture of each other as the Ripper when you talked to them for the 1st time, if the Ripper was Burton you would get the Vigo Hamman connection with simian industries, and if it was Catherine… well there would have been some obvious clues (she knew about Farley’s death).
Anyway I think this game was amazing (especially for its time) and dont forget this was a riff so Spoony had to be snarky
THANK YOU!!! You clarified this beautifully, and shame on spoony for not simply saying … well, what you said. I wasn’t sure if the clues throughout the game were ambiguous every time or what. Danke danke danke!
Christ I’ve actually watched 10th Kingdom. Was wondering what that guy was from all the way through it.
I just finished the Ripper videos; then I listened to Blue Oyster Cult, now I have the strong urge to watch them all again.
Been trying to watch the Finale video all week and it keeps saying “Sorry, we’re unable to play this episode.” Sad face :(
Just until this one gets fixed up and you can give Spoony ad revenue again.
Well, at least this game had a few good parts. Christopher Walken is always a laugh, and (Don’t Fear) The Reaper is one of my favorite songs of all time. That’s about it. Although honestly, the plot really started to intrigue me throughout Act II and III. The whole connection between the victims and the Ripper him(or her)self was interesting.
Great Let’s Play! Shame that the game had so many flaws, especially in the ludicrously difficult puzzles. The plot was actually pretty good, even if the envisioning of the internet was kinda silly.
Spoony, this video isn’t working for me. Can you please look into it? Thanks!
Wait let me get this straight.
Burton the robot disguised as Marion from Indy married Sully from Commando. But Max Zorin from A View To A Kill got jealous.
Meanwhile Burton was raising a race of super intelligent monkeys?
Plus someone was killing people.
I always liked Spoony’s use of the “Clue” multiple ending music.
This game is like watered-down-William Gibson-meets-cut-rate Agatha Christie.
so…where did that random ending footage come from exactly…
Unable to play this episode :(
Damn, the vid´s dead! Does anybody know an alternate location where I can view it?
All it says is “Sorry, we’re unable to play this episode”.
Damn this video won’t play for me at all. I guess I’ll just have to watch the finale on youtube. Well it doesn’t look like his Ripper vids are on youtube anymore so I guess I’m stuck with some other person’s vid. Damn.
Video’s dead; both here and on Blip.
The video works fine now, thanks.
so.. who was the killer?
Just like with Phantasmagoria, I have to say that the basic idea behind the story is absolutely great. And even the idea to determine the killer randomly at the beginning of the game is awesome, especially for a detective story. Shame though that once again a great idea is spoiled by some pointless gameplay-issues and poor execution.
Even more of a shame with such a cast.
Hah! I THOUGHT he looked familiar! Oh Wolf, what were you doing trying to do, taking on some cyber four-man ripper squad?
They seriously don’t even BOTHER to explain how they did it? FUCK, that blows.
I’ve been giving this a lot of thought now.
Originally I was with you, Yes the ending is a sort of a cop out but it’s also increadibly genius.
You were never really -meant- to solve this.
As we’ve established, anyone could had been the Ripper. Some here have said that Magnotta was the one with the most psychosis to do it while the general consensus seems to be that C/Katherine did it. I am leaning towards that she did it as well.
The original Ripper murders were never solved and this is essentially a retelling of it in a Cyberpunk setting, in a way, describing what could or can be a scary reality once we get that technology. That people with sufficient skill in computer hacking / cracking could commit untraceable murders and go unsolved forever.
There is no end to this, no matter who you frame, you will have gotten the wrong one or the right one but you will never know. As I said, you were never suppose to solve it in the first case, you were only meant to take the journey. THAT, is why this is a great ending rather than a cop out / bad ending. You can analyze all the evidence, but you will never know who truely was, the Ripper.
Actually that’s wrong. The game randomly picks who the killer will be when you start the game and when you get to act 3 you get different clues depending upon who the killer really is. If you pick the wrong person you get the bad ending. You ONLY get the scene of Quinlan typing at his desk if you picked the correct killer. So yes, you’re meant to pay attention and solve the mystery because it’s very possible to be wrong and lose the game.
Ok, so this wasn’t one of their better games. But I’m willing to forgive Take 2, since they also produced the delightful “Bureau 13″.
Also, I’m always astonished that that really WAS a young(-ish) Paul Giamatti.