How dare you,
Deus Ex: Human Revolution is not a Square Enix title, they have nothing to do with the actual creation. They are merely the publisher of Eidos. Yes, blame them for the lack of demo, for the lack of marketting. But never, never give all the right and the blame to the publisher.

I love your videos by the way, Final Fantasy XIV is indeed boring. :P

As long as we’re looking at MMO’s no word on Firefall? I’m actually looking forward to that one and I hate most MMO’s (I’ll admit I’ve had fun with maybe about 4 of them but I have trouble sticking with them)

I’ve played some of the FFXIV beta, there were barely any monsters anywhere, I could run in the same direction for a little while, and find nothing.

And like Gertjan Van Dammet says, it’s still got a really bad UI, not as bad as FFXI’s, but still pretty bad. Why put this game on the PC? When it was clearly design ground up for the PS3?

FF14 is UNPLAYABLE. I tried the beta and after watching the 5 opening cutscenes (which make up the tutorial) and struggling to over come the worst UI in the history of UIs (which I failed at). The patching infrastructure is non-existent also. Most people need to use utorrent to get the fucking patches. I wont even get into how dull the combat is cause Spoony summed it up enough. Then there’s this whole system that limits how much you can work on stuff per week and there’s basically no game content to speak of. Fuck this makes STO look like an MMO masterpiece. But, hey, its pretty, thats about all SE can do anymore.

Also, FF14 has no player appeal. They remade FF11 and made it even more dull and made a UI that is unplayable on a PC. Who’s that appealing to? FF11 players: No. WoW players: No. PC MMO players: No. PS3/Xbox MMO players: They’re too busy playing FF11. This game is the worst thing SE has done in years and with FF13 on their most recent list of failings, that says something. It will fail, and it will fail spectacularly because the only people who are looking forward to this game are the most rabid and mindless fanboy sheep that SE can drag from their parent’s basements.

I know how ya feel, but I do understand why Nintendo didn’t release it over here in the US. It was a GBA game, that came out after the DS was out for around 2 years. GBA was dead by then, I don’t think it would have made money.

Wait, was FF11 just as bad as 14 threatens to be? Where the hell is the userbase for this supposed to come from? Solely people that are nostalgic about 11? If SE thinks anybody still gives two shits about the franchise after 13, they are in for a surprise.

But then again, Versus might singlehandedly save the franchise. Lets wait and see, im not giving up on FF just yet, though Square-Enix has lost pretty much all my respect as a gamer as well as a customer. Not just for the shit they pull on their own games, but also for ruining games like Supreme Commander 2.

Fuck SE. Seriously.

OH NO THE REP DIDN’T TALK TO ME NOW I’M GOING TO SHIT ON THEIR GAME. Nice going tim buckl… i mean spoony. Get over yourself.

He shit on the game cause the game is a giant pile of shit. Get over yourself you pathetic little fanboy.

Guild Wars 1 is a good game? news to me

As a recent retiree from MMORPGs, GW2 does look pretty tempting – the first GW was always pretty casual-friendly (at least when I was active). And, of course, the bit about not having to pay monthly fees certainly doesn’t hurt anything.

If only my PC wasn’t running on suck, otherwise I would look forward to Guild Wars 2.

I need to see more in game, unplanned footage to fully get a grasp of Guild Wars 2.. someone, somewhere, needs to do a livestream of themselves playing the beta.

But yeah, Final Fantasy XIV and Final Fantasy XI before it are despicably wretched. FFXI has always been an Everquest Classic clone, and XIV is shaping up to be.. some kind of.. horrifying amalgamation of everything wrong with MMOs.

Spoony I sympathize with you. I myself fell in love with Final Fantasy back in the 8-bit days when I was young. Final Fantasy 3 or 6 or whatever you want to call it is one of my favorite games period. Final Fantasy 7 was good, but then once Final Fantasy 8 rolled around something went horribly wrong. My guess is that Square has completely lost their minds and are literally just throwing out games to see if the consumer will actually still buy them. I didn’t play 13, I’m not playing 14, and I’m not playing any more of them until I get word that they have decided to reclaim some of their former glory. On a brighter note I’m glad that Guild Wars 2 has no monthly fee. I may just pick this up now. Keep up the good work Spoony.

You’re hypocritically flaming a hypocrite, silly =3

Final Fantasy 14 looks like 11, but prettier. Pass.

Guild Wars 2, on the other hand? I lapped up the first game, and from what I’m seeing of the second, it’s gonna be a first day buy.

They so much as touch VI I might lose it. They have lost it. They know fanboys will buy anything they put out and are not even trying anymore. They sucked people in with VII and now they own them.

That FFXVI looked so boring. Like really so lame. Lets just hope this kills FF forever!! I never played a MMO, but Guild Wars 2 might just change that! Like damn that looks sweet man.

That’s not what he was saying at all. He wasn’t complaining about the fact that he was throwing stones, he was complaining that there was absolutely no emotion, no sense of urgency, and no atmosphere during combat.

It’s not going to, Matt. Final Fantasy will likely never die. God help us all.

Spoony was doing a wayne world I”M NOT WORTHY bow, only smaller.

i disagree here. if square put out something that wasn’t boring as shit, he’d say so.

you didn’t miss anything in the trailer. It was just as boring.

Damn. Just realised how long my rant was there. That’s unlike me. o_o

For the record, I think GWII looks like an awesome game. I’m just personally not huge on the art style or presentation but I totally respect what they’re doing gameplay-wise and in this instance, it IS pretty groundbreaking for an MMO at least. A game doesn’t have to be groundbreaking to be good though, and I think there’s a ton of good qualities about FFXIV that really no-one knows about.

Wait until the official reviews for FFXIV come out, I’m expecting comfortable 7′s and 8′s with a lot of complaints about the UI. But fortunatly, that can and will be fixed later down the line. But I digress, as Spoony really isn’t looking at the game properly and the moment he saw “Final Fantasy” in the title he had his mind made up. Which you know what? That’s fair enough. They have had their chance time and time again to win Spoony over but they haven’t. I’m sure if there were many games in a franchise that I hated, I would probably pre-judge any further sequels assuming they were crap.

All I’m saying is, don’t let Spoony make your opinion for you.

Pretty uninformed bashing here spoony….

-2 points taken from my respect today, you don’t know shit

That redheaded PR lady was hot though…just sayin =p

I have nothing to say on Final Fantasy XIV since I’m neither a fan or a hater (Dragon Quest fan all the way though). It does look boring, but again, it is a demo, but yet again like you said, every other company was doing a much better job at showing off their MMOs so I don’t know what to say. I’ll just wait and hear how this turns out in the end. However, what cracks me up is the game crashing. That is pure awesome.

Guild Wars 2 looks great though and I’ll look into this game some more in the future.

They blew off a lot of people…one of our other writers got shafted on two different occasions by them…and Square is his favorite developer!

FF MMORPG’s aren’t for everyone. You knew from the get go when you saw at the first announcement when the ‘online’ part of the title showed up under the FFXIV logo that you were going to fucking love this, or you hated it/were apprehensive about it. If you loved it, it’s because you played FFXI.

FFXIV isn’t there to draw in everyone and their mom like WoW. It’s not there to draw in droves of people for giant coin. It’s there to catch the niche market that likes a different kind of MMO. It’s there to tailer mostly to XI fans and people who want a story driven, community based, PvE exclusive experience.

Boring is an opinion, not a fact. You’ve said it yourself that you can’t be completely without biased, but I don’t think I’ve ever seen more biased in one review. I’m not mad and I’m not disowning you as my favorite reviewer (read: all those angry people who spout “OH MY GOD HOW COULD YOU, YOU SIR HAVE CROSSED THE LINE!”,) but I am rather disappointed that you’re so willing to not step back and maybe consider that other people may have wanted to see more of FFXIV, instead of you gushing over another game and overshadowing it.

i love it when spoony’s got the same opinion as i do.

i’ve been playing guild wars since 2005 and i’ve been following guild wars 2 regularly since it was first announced.
all i can say is: check this game out people, it’s gonna be one of the biggest mmo’s ever!

I’m actually enjoying the beta of FFXIV. You can’t really expect much of a tutorial battle, in which enemies cut you a lot of slack… and if you are not even playing a fighting class, like in this video! Of course is not going to be an intense battle if the most you can do is throw rocks :P I don’t even know why they even let you start with such classes as botanist and the like, if you have to fight “right of the boat” and you really can’t with non-fighting classes, but that’s a different matter and a different fuck up…
Dunno, the combat system is pretty good in my opinion, from what I’ve played in the beta.

Guild Wars 2 looks pretty damn good, too.

Alright so I finished watching this video and I always heard people talking about GW. But I never took interest enough to play or watch a video or anything. So now I watch this and Im like holy shit yes! I know what my paychecks are going to and then BAM NO MONTHLY FEE! Holy fuck are you pulling my dick? Cus it feels good. I played WARHAMMER ONLINE and while I liked it a lot it did get stale having to grind my KotBS forever just to do it’s job right. So GW2 I am so fucking ready specially since I got a better graphics card than my 4770 ( 4850 It made a good enough difference.) Anyways FF as an MMO just doesn’t seem right. Sounds good on paper but taken into practice it just doesn’t work well. I don’t want to be a faceless hero among 1000 other heroes doing the same shit. Fuck to me FF as a franchise died when 10 came out. It just seemed like it recycles way too much of the plot. Young naive hero with problems happens to be a hero. and Fuck I liked FF8 so this is saying a lot. Square enix has done the same thing over and over again that it just can’t simply learn new tricks. This is why Franchises shouldn’t last for 14 fucking sequels.

Not gonna lie, I stopped reading at “that piece of shit Guild Wars”. The rest of your opinion I couldn’t care less about, if you thought GW was bad and are using that to judge GW2, then you’re clearly not any better than you accuse Spoony of being.

You’ve never watched his Metroid Other M review have you? In any case so what fi he’s biased and hates the franchise he still gives those games a shot. Thats more than I can say for a lot of people who tend to lean on the fanboy side. It’s his opinion hes a reviewer if you don’t like his review then obviously you really like said franchise. No one likes when some one else dislikes what they like. I dunno for me I like seeing both sides even for crap I like. I loved FF8 and he tore that game an infinite amount of assholes but you know what? I still like it. He’s right about most of it but fuck I like it anyways lol. So what ever if you think GW sucks and if he thinks FF sucks. Enjoy what you like.

“How can GW2 compete with WoW or FF14 for that matter when it’s not an MMO? It’s a Diablo 2 remake.”

I really hope you’re trolling here, because if you’re serious, then may the gaming god have mercy on your soul.

I haven’t played an MMO for a long time. But looks like GW2 is changing things that made me stop in the first place.

Yes I seen his Metroid Other M review. He did give the game a shot, in fact a lot of people share his opinion on that game and so do I. No I don’t like the Final Fantasy franchise, or at least not the later games and I loved the FF8 as well. I saw and heard of many flaws about FFXIV mostly the dreaded time limit bullshit but my gripe with Spoony here is that even if he played the game, he gave no information about the game as a whole, it was just some angry gibberish like in his FF8 and FFX videos.

I can’t support the mentality of not criticizing something especially when said person criticize something themselves.

im sold, sign me up for Guild Wars 2.

fuck you Square Enix your old news. I was in the Beta for FF14 and i only got to play for a few hours cause it crashed at least once an hour. its unstable as fuck and so superficial. You scratch the surface and there it is, a pretty, bland generic MMO. Might as well have named it FFXI 2.0. I held out hoping against hope that Square may someday return to the titan it was in my childhood but no more. Fuck Square, Fuck Final Fantasy and fuck everyone who still likes it.

I’m not gonna stand up for Square – at best they’ve provided a complete lack of understanding of how to do a proper demo(as you’ve pointed out), and this fact does not make one confident about the quality of the final product. That crappy tutorial demo would’ve been fine had it been alongside some much more impressive stuff, and that’s the only way it would’ve been okay.

All that said, I’m still crossing my fingers and HOPING The FFXIV will end up being a good MMO. It doesn’t need to be BRILLIANT, just needs to be good compared to it’s competition. But I am sure as hell not expecting anything worth my dollar if these demos are any indication.

Seriously, if they do that, they might as well call it a glorified browser game with a monthly fee.

I like how if anyone refutes your points, they’re a fanboy. Even if they’re right.

You forgot to edit the last bit into something less insulting and immature, too.

And if I see the word “fanboy” come up in one more user’s counter-argument (If that’s what you fucking call that), I’m going to lose my fucking mind.

Wow, totally terrible review. I’ll agree the FFXIV demo at the convention was awful and poorly thought out, but the game deserves much more credit than you give it. It has a lot of bugs and it is rough, but at its core is wonderful art direction, amazing music, an immersive world, wonderful storytelling, a character development system that allows you to create a class entirely of your own making, and an opportunity to interact with people all over the world. It focuses on gathering and crafting in addition to fighting and exploration, so it’s hard to compare to the totally action-focused Guild Wars 2 at all except for the fact that it’s an MMO. It’s not for everyone, but ignoring all its merits and focusing on a bad convention demo is ignorant and unprofessional. Guild Wars 2 looks awesome, and I’ll probably buy it but I’m also going to be playing and enjoying FFXIV.

well and im not saying every Japanese players, and American players are just as guilty, im just saying it was there.

It was nice to see people defending the game, but to see someone actually being fair to the game despite hating it? You are a hero of the comment section to me. Major props. :)

I still feel ripped of my 60 bucks from buying Final Fantasy XIII.

(should’ve returned it on day 1, but I kept playing to see if it got any better)

:(

the sad thing is FF14 is absolutely stunning visually. If Square spent half of the visual effort where it really counts it woulden’t be a half bad MMO

You’re pretty much the one and only person I’ve ever heard who claims that an instance system disqualifies a game from MMO status.

There doesn’t appear to be any such qualifier listed in any website I can tell. Could you perhaps cite your source as to who it is who claims that games running on an instance system cannot be MMOs? Because I know of a few games which do this and still qualify as MMOs….

Holy shit, Jeff Grubb! I’d be nerding out so hard! TOADE LIVES!

Also, Guild Wars 2 looks so unbelievably freaking awesome. Like, seriously unbelievable. I can’t comprehend how awesome it looks. I don’t think I’ll be able to until I’m actually playing it.

Thank you for proving Spoony’s supposed bias wrong by showing off your own bias.

…Wait, what?

oh yea i forgot about that. Getting stuck patching the game at 98% for over 4 hours.

HELL NO, I love the fact that FFXIV doesn’t have region-specific servers. The auto-translate feature works fantastic and it’s cool to be able to play with everyone globally. To me, anyway…

Even excluding the language barrier, I’m from England and have many online American and Canadian friends, I like that I can play with them with ease.

“See: Guild Wars and Guild Wars 2. Square can do much better given their financial success and it would be ignorant to ignore that glaring fact.”

ITT: My biased opinion is better than your biased opinion.

Speaking of Final Fantasy XIV at PAX, here were my two experiences:

First I went to the main theatre demo. Since it was at 7, after the expo hall closed, it made sense. Then I found out the expo hall would be open an extra hour on the friday, so I’d lost nearly an hour. Okay then. Then they start showing the game. The cut-scenes are pretty, but the pacing was pretty boring, and since its an MMO your character just sort of grunts and doesn’t talk, thus they obviously can’t be a part of the story, can they? No no no, you’re just the random passerby. So eventually after confusing stuff happens the guy got into a fight with wolves. Okay, the wolves actually looked interested in the fight, but the didn’t move at all. Neither did the player. They just sat their hitting each other with no signs of immediacy. Thanks to the boring pace and the heat in the room, I began to fall asleep. Seriously. I missed like two minutes of it, though luckily when I woke up a hilarious cut-scene happened, in which Moogles stopped time to destroy a tree monster. Glad to see the player was helpful in the fight. At least the Deus Ex demonstration didn’t totally suck.

So next day I go to the booth, and as I’m starting to build my character a guy asks me to step aside so he can show the game to two douchebags (seriously, sideways hat and everything) and it turns out they’re not even press or anything. So, I just got bumped after waiting eight minutes because… the guy felt compelled to show two white gangster stereotypes the game? Dick move, dick move. They didn’t even offer me one of their free USB drives. Square-Enix needs to learn some basic PR.

To be fair although FFXIV is clearly shit, I’m not going to let Guild Wars 2 walk away scott-free. They make a lot of promises like “the world is dynamic” or “your choices matter” and I think of a game like KOTOR, a Bioware game that puts a lot of emphasis on player choice. In KOTOR, your decisions don’t really mean much in the end though, since you really only get two endings. Sure you have opportunities at different dialog choices but really most paths you take mean precisely dick. “Classes are unique”; the FFXIII Chrystarium claimed to do a similar thing. “Combat isn’t just wacking a minion with a sword.” Well, you could just spam a really pretty spell all the time, but it could only be one pretty spell. “Art style is unique.” Cool story, bro.Sure, this is a pessimistic approach but I think its a safe one. Spoony said that you want to show off the best of the game at a show; I’m not one to fall for flashy lights and slow mo.

Taken from your notes it seems that you’re actually reviewing the way SE marketed the game at PAX, not that actual game itself. I can respect that. It really saddens me that SE is doing such a piss poor job getting a positive word out about FFXIV. There are a lot of things about it that are absolutely wonderful.

Please don’t say I’m whining. Because I truly don’t believe that many of the loyal fans (myself included) who are watching your reviews and disagreeing with them are ‘whining.’ From the other comments that I’ve seen defending FFXIV; it actually seems like we want you to give the game a second chance and we’re pointing out the reasons why the game might not have been so impressive to you. Granted, SE sucked at promoting it properly and that’s their fault. They’ll lose many customers because of it, but before you insult those of us that that played it far enough to make up our own opinions of the game, give it a rightful try.

After all, wasn’t it you who followed up that you did indeed spend several hours playing Deadliest Warriors when the game creators claimed that you hadn’t? Sure as hell sounds like you’ve only played FFXI through the tutorial on an exclusive server. Follow up again. Do your review, positive or negative, some god damn justice!

obvious troll is obvious

I think you’re forgetting about the fatigue system good sir.

If my friend who is a huge FF11 nerd, would rather play that than 14 (which, he was in the beta for, for reference) because of that system alone, pretty sure the game is going to have other flaws as well. Not to mention the fact that that battle looked about as fun as a battle in runescape, regardless of whether it was a crafting class or not.

>Didn’t read my comment.

>Complain about how I don’t know anything.

again this video was based on both games selling ability at PAX. nothing more nothing less. crappy Demos alter consumers opinions. if you get a bad impression of something it doesn’t matter how good it actually might be.

Actually when he recommends that you don’t buy the game solely on the way that SE promoted and not on the actual content, I think my points are legitimate. SE did a horrible job, and to be honest that’s the marketing’s fault. In my opinion, since I’ve played 40+ hours so far, I think the game is worth trying.

I’m requesting a real review of the game. I believe, Spoony should give his opinion on whether you should buy this game or not AFTER he plays for longer than 30 minutes, if that’s even what the people at PAX allowed, though I sorely doubt it. Honestly, I don’t care if he believes its shit after he truly tests it out. I just care that he tests it out and then gives an informed opinion.

I heard what they are even going to do to limit the experience gaining in FF14. First 8 hours are normal exp, then next 816 is 1/2 the experience and then none till the following week but is set per class, so you can change class and have full exp… for 8 hours. Its over complicating what should be simple.

Sadly, I was disappointed in the game before Spoony’s rant. I’m also upset with Wow because they are pushing Read ID. Yeah, lets give people an easier time stealing idenities. The MMO I want to play now is Starwars the Old republic. There are only a few things that I dislike, like limit of 4 people pre group and preset dialogue. But I hear there might a way way around the preset text. Mt bf found it on youtube.

They would do better then to put wax in their ears like they are doing now. Shame they don’t get that Spoony wants to find reasons to like their games.

It kinda reminds me of what happened to StarTrek online.

well they’re introducing a dynamic event system in order to eliminate grinding.

over 1500 events in the game world that are sometimes chained together and often activate themselves, which scale depending on how many players are there to participate and which have persistent effects on the world

eg: an outpost is attacked by monsters, players will have to defend the outpost. the more players participate in that event, the stronger the enemies get (reinforcements etc.). if the players are not able to defend the outpost, it will get taken over, meaning you can no longer accept quest and buy things there.
but it will also start the second event -> taking the outpost back from the monsters.

hundreds of those events will make the world very dynamic and lively overall, so it might revolutionize pve somewhat. ;)

I was till recently limited on the mmo’s I could play by myself ( without using someone elses comp) because I have a mac. Got a windows side working now. At least Starwars old republic are trying to learn from their mistakes. Enix is the side thats raping the ff series, not Square. They have the majority say so on the games. They are clueless on how to pull off good MMO’s.

Guild wars was one of my favorite games ever, I cleanly racked up over 10,000 hours of play over the years till I quit because of real life stuff goings on, as you would expect. >.<

I’ve been following Guild Wars 2 since it was just a whisper in the guild wars chat box. I’ve followed it every step of the way and its going to be amazing, just like the first, only better! BETTER I SAY!!!

But, FFXIV? Let me put it this way. Guild Wars 2 (and World of Warcraft to a lesser extent) are the guides on how you SHOULD make an MMO, FFXIV is how you should NEVER make an MMO. Overcomplicated, boring, artificially lengthened leveling system and all around horrid gameplay mechanics.

DOWN WITH SQUARENIX!!!

Or they could seperate from Enix and take back the series to what made it good.

So FF is still (un)dead..no suprise there.

GW2 looks very promising.
I’m not a big fan of MMOs. I tried WoW, DAoC, Lord of the Rings, but ultimately it was all the same. Mostly unfriendly communities, boring grind, farming, and very dull quests. Biggest complaint: The monthly fee..sorry i won’t pay over 150€ per year to play the same game.

I also tried Guildwars, while somewhat better, your char also had no impact on the world as a whole.
Maybe i will give GW2 a chance.

“No grinding” and “No monthly fees” got me. Then add awesome trailer.

I have to get GW2.

I am a blizzard fan-boy so I naturally played WoW as my first MMO. I tried GW and did not like it cause it was not really an MMO… It was an MMO only in certain areas like the cities. I sure hope GW2 is not like that, cause it looks promising. Cool graphics, I like the complex story-mode quests and the event-driven world is something I’ve been waiting to see in WoW for ages. They tried it but could not make it work (with the exception of AQ dungeons in vanilla wow)…

As for the FF series, I gave up hope right after ff 9, so I can’t really say much on the matter, although the ff 14 world seems to be a ff 9 world, which, in my opinion, is the absolutely worst world out of the 3 games I played (7,8,9)… Too many colors and butterflies for my taste…

I don’t think that Spoony wants to find anything here, he just wants to give people a good show and those games are apparently a great material. And it almost looks like Square is targeting kids under 12.

Hater? I dunno, its just that I’m not willing to be impressed by big words nor impressed by gimmicks that has already been used and even failed in some instances. What the heck do you expect from someone who has lost faith in most MMORPGs after years of enjoying them. I played so many MMO’s in the past from horrible to excellent ones and Guild Wars 2 so far sounds like it’ll be so good that’ll it be average. Also, none of these gimmicks sounds that special nor that attracting and again, some of these things are nothing special literally but just used with big words to impress the average gamer.

I’m proud to say the only MMO I ever purchased was Guild Wars, even if I don’t play it much because of how long the intro section is and how un-immersive it felt. I feel good in having supported an MMO that was different from the norm of taking everything out of the player’s hides.

Seeing Guild Wars 2 finally has cemented my MMO choice. SCREW STAR WARS: TOR, GIVE ME A PIECE OF GUILD WARS 2! This is the only kind of MMO I can get excited about because it feels like it was built specifically for me and other MMO nay-sayers that wanted an experience more akin to a persistent world and universe where everyone can feel important in their little ways. It’s like being a living, breathing person somewhere else, somewhere much more exciting. Now that is pure escapism, and free play means I can come back anytime I like, so I don’t have to feel like I’m wasting subscription money when I’m working on my college classes or playing other games or working on content for Mod projects.

Bullshit buddy, and you know it. The point he was making was that SE simply aren’t trying any more, as evidenced by the dull as fuck looking demo and their reluctance to answer people’s questions about the game. He even praised the game in terms of how nice it looks and the design being decent…..guess what? That’s all Square seem to be good at now, style over substance. Their CGI is unparalleled, but the actual games are leaving a LOT to be desired.
This video is all about contrasts – Square’s unprofessionalism in blowing off scheduled appointments as opposed to GW2 guy answering questions, the combat in FF14 being listless and dull versus the kinetic energy on display in GW2, the effort put in by the GW2 guys to ensure a fun demo (100 people from their offices playing it at thee same time as those at PAX) as opposed to the sterile blandness of Square’s effort.
You COMPLETELY missed the point in order to take shots at the guy for making completely valid points…for shame fanboy.

Great video Spoony saw this on guildwars2guru. I am gonna be getting GW2 b/c honestly no monthly fees and the effort that you can see this company put into the game you can tell that they will DIE to make this game great.

Have to kinda agree with your opinion on the Final Fantasy 14 demo, it didn’t have much going for it. You don’t pimp your game by showing sedate stuff like that.

Guild Wars sounds amazing, in fact… TOO amazing actually. If the whole world suffers from persistent cause and effect, then doesn’t that mean some dedicated trolls could just come in and kick everyones ass? Could they burn everything down and kill all the NPC’s? Does that mean the game has destructability for the environments? Does that mean that important quests (like kill the dragon made of ROCK AND LIGHTNING) only run once?

This storytelling through game events sounds interesting (but has never been a strong form of storytelling in the past), but it seems like it could go downhill real fast.

That said the art (which they’ve always paid special attention to, even I who doesn’t even care about the genre knows that), the fact that the game has no crappy subscription model so I can actually play it like a game (as opposed to a job) which means I have a chance of buying it sounds awesome. The combat sounds interesting, but time will tell. I’m not sure about adding in all those races, kinda makes it more high fantasy (what with one race having mechs and nobody else even close) which I didn’t imagine Guild Wars to be.

Being an avid WoW player (I know, I know, lifeless dork), I can say that FF14 does indeed look boring as shit, and that GW2 looks appropriately exciting and visceral. And GW2 succeeds where many have failed, in that it’s not trying to be WoW – it’s trying to be a good game on it’s own merits. If I have some leftover money after the new WoW expansion, I’ll give GW2 a try.

If people want to check up some MMORPG that at least have quite a bit of interesting fighting system. Check these up.

TERA Online
Soul Blades
Mabinogi Heroes (Also named as Vindicus though do search on the other name, it’ll get more hits on Youtube)

They at least do something different imo. I’m most interested in TERA Online. It allows for mobbing up monsters which most MMORPG actually lacks. Mobbing up monsters is when you gather up at least 20+ monsters and kill them pretty quick. Ragnarok Online are the kings of it at the moment. I can mob up 50+ mobs if I want to.

I have a theory that they’re trying to kill it off before it reaches 20… I mean, they’ve stopped writing new plots, the combat system has hardly changed in more than just display since they first started. They seem to be on a crusade to butcher their own series.

One could make a great MMO with final fantasy but the company doesn’t seem to know how to do it. And last I heard the hard core fans were not exactly the most creative bunch naming the characters off previous games or basing them off penny arcade ideas.

I think I get what your going for. If you’re like me, you want to see the final product on store shelves before you throw in with the bandwagon. Yeah they also made a big fuss about past MMO’s and some of them proved to be disappointed and/or not even want was originally implied.

Not saying this will happen here. Just saying I want to wait and see.

wow is a completely different game now than it was when it first launched, the “grind” a lot of people are talking about is not currently in the game. its entirely possible to play the game single player all the way to the current level cap now, without grinding or being in a guild. I get the feeling that many of you, Spoony included have not played wow since launch, or a few years ago.

as for the guild thing, well its an MMORPG its a social game, so if being in a guild of like-minded individuals is not for you, maybe you should play a single player game.

also as a side note: if you don’t like doing an imaginary dungeon for imaginary gear, why bother playing any rpg ever made?

i got my FF14 closed beta key at gamescom… i installed it and it didnt work.
2 days before the beta ended i bought a new graphics card and i got it to run!
well, you are right. the artstyle is nice and charming but thats IT! the game is boring and overly complicated like its predecessor.
guildwars 2 blew me away though! i didnt actually play it but i watched people play it for a long time. they were showing a raid there with a huge battle against a giant earth elemental at the end. it was AMAZING!^^ and yeah… no monthly fee! thats the best part :3

Oh, as an addition to my last post, I don’t care that they decided to show us a non-combat class fighting in the demo, but when we say it sucks the fanboys shouldn’t complain. There’s a reason that they are called non-combat classes. If I watch Rocky, I want to see Rocky Balboa fight, not Paulie. The same goes for this, I want to see the classes that are ready to fight, not their useless half-brothers.

Matthew is correct. His only issues with 13 was two characters that were pointless in the game and they were the main characters.

I’m hesitant to say anything about GW2 as I’ve not seen any of the combat yet, my biggest problem in the first game was that the combat was terrible and the animations and environments were incredibly bland. My character felt like a stick figure who barely moved.

I am however gonna dump all of FFXIV for being incredibly lame and slow paced.

none of these mmos i think are gonna have what it takes to bear wow out, with the one exception being SW:TOR, lets face it, the only people who can beat blizzard at their own game is Bioware.

There is absolutely no PK-ing in the persistent world. Every PC is on the same side, and while you can choose to be an ass, you can’t choose to be evil. So, no NPC killing either, save for the monsters. It’s the monsters that do the town-destroying.

Massive events like the Shatterer (big purple dragon thing) will, in the real game, be the culmination of a long event chain. If you want to get to that encounter, you’re going to need to work through a number of other events first. It will repeat, but basically only if the players make it so that it can.

Wow.. The Guild Wars 2 are chowing down on their own cocks. But the game will probably be good. As for FF 14.. It’ll be ok I guess.

I’m not sure what you call it then when I need to go out, kill some monsters, come back and do that again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again….

Different games made for different type of players. ;)

I dunno. It doesn’t look like a beefier, more combat oriented class would really have made that tutorial any more exciting. Watching your character stand there woodenly onscreen, waiting for direction and barely flinching when they’re struck doesn’t say stirring combat to me. Why are there no special combat idle animations, to at least let the characters look a little into it? Both the enemies AND the characters could be standing on either side of a foosball table, politely waiting for the other to take their turn.

But, yeah, okay, maybe they shoulda/coulda picked something more exciting to showcase. They DIDN’T, and that’s nobody’s fault but their own. The whole point of a demo is to win people over, to make them want to play your product, and if what you put up there is boring and slow, then you’ve failed. If your game is amazing and innovative, it’s YOUR job to showcase that to its best possible advantage. If some soothing music and Disney-esque cutscenes is all they had to show, they should FIRE whoever the hell put together that demonstration. It is not the job of your audience to work to try to wring some sort of enthusiasm out of your product.

I haven’t played a Final Fantasy in YEARS. 10 was the last I made an effort towards, and nothing about any of the recent titles (recent as in, oh, 6 years or so) has made me want to pick up the controller for them. I don’t have anything against the series personally, it’s just not FOR me, and if you enjoy it, good for you. But they don’t seem to be making an effort whatsoever to win over new players, and if everything that they put out there is only going to mean anything to people who’ve been playing for years, then you can’t blame me or anyone else for being unimpressed.

i agree with you spoony, ff14 still looks like some horrible tech demo, how is it exciting, and didnt ff11 fail because of online subscriptions and boring game play, trying it again afew years later doesnt solve a thing.

I had another thought last night (and apparently Spoony did to after reading the new notes x.x). The demo they brought to PAX just shows what SE thinks of their fans. They didn’t feel the need to put forward an interesting or exciting game demo or try to build up any actual real interest in the game. No, they slapped out a quick, crappy demo which showed nothing about the game. You know what that says to me? Square Enix not only doesn’t care about the game, but they think that their fans are so stupid and blind that they’ll buy anything with their logo on it, so why should they bother putting in effort to build excitement or for that matter even build a good game.

Honestly, if you’re clamoring for FF14 or defending it here, you are as dumb and mindlessly devoted to the Church of Squareenixtology as they think you are. Buying this game just gives them the message that they can pump out whatever garbage they want, as long as it’s pretty, and people will buy it.

Looking at FF14 there I’m getting the vibe that hitman and deus ex series are in the worst possibile hands right now

BTW, Final Fantasy 14 classes make me think of old Star Wars Galaxies with those non combat classes and the inability to jump. The thing about SWG was you could change classes whenever you want, you’re stuck in this class.

(CU or NGE anyone?)

Oh, and you gotta love how Square-Enix decided to use all their semi-interesting animations in the trailer and seem to use no animation at all in-game. Typical Squeenix tactics, put all the pretty flashiness in the trailers and leave the game itself with nothing left over. That trailer almost made me think it was that Elder Scrolls MMO that people (other than me) had been pining for after Oblivion came out… There was plenty enough shots of people walking around outdoors anyway. You could have probably had a logo for ‘The Elder Scrolls Online’, and I’d have been none the wiser, it looks nothing like any Final Fantasy game I’ve ever seen.

…except 11, but that’s the case and point.

Not trying to diss Bethesda and The Elder Scrolls (as I like them both) but they shouldn’t do MMO’s either, I think. Some of the quests in Oblivion were already too MMO-like.

I’m really looking forward to TERA. Their combat looks like it could be really fast and fun (or a horrible trainwreck.. lets hope for the former).

Anyone else as angry as I am about the stupid airships in FF14? I can forgive some of the illogical FF airship designs, but FF14……… I don’t know if it’s just an engineer thing. Everything about them screams, not just impossible, but stupid.

Even the hovering FF8 Garden wasn’t this bad. You could assume repulsion lifts or anti gravity magic or something. At least it wasn’t covered in stupid little wings.

you know I’m not an mmorp kinda guy but a cool action oriented mmorp with no constant subscription fee, no level grinding and a palpable influence on the world would certainly inspire me to give it a shot

I will agree with you on this one Spoony regarding FF14. The trailer gave me no impression whatsoever as to how the game will be like. It’s almost as if they are re-hashing FF11 only improving the graphics to HD. I am one of those people who get bored after playing an MMO for a certain period, but this? This might bore me on the character creation menu screen should I pick it up.

I am holding on however to the Final Fantasy franchise but just by a pinky. If Versus 13 comes out and if it turns out that the game more than makes up for Final Fantasy 13, then there is still hope yet. But if not, then I am giving up on Final Fantasy as a whole

FF XIV doesn’t have anything over GW2, Spoony? C’mon, it’ll probably have overly dramatic emo anime characters, and I did see Furries in that clip. Second Life shouldn’t be the only place wannabe furry freaks can pretend they’re playing a game.

Let the fanboys have their game and hopefully it keeps them entertained enough to stay away from GW2. Far away.

Reviews like these, especially those based on little actually relevant content (SE’s fault there for not delivering the goods) are honestly meaningless at this point. For any who don’t know, FFXIV is currently in open beta and has been for some time. If you want to know what the game is going to be like.. Just play it. At home. No need to wonder.

Also, no need to make baseless accusations about a game you’ve never played (despite being able as of open beta) and bashing an entire player base. The little jests are fine, we all poke fun at FF players, WOW players, GWs players, all of them occasionally, but don’t take it too far when you clearly haven’t the faintest idea. I’ve met waaaay too many people that think they are qualified to have an opinion about FFXI and WOW alike, just because they played for MAYBE a week. Usually it’s not even that long.

Just like it’s “popular” in the media to bash previous President Bush and Catholicism nowadays, it’s just so popular among gamers to bash FFXI and its fans. Don’t hate just to join the crowd. It’s annoying. And obvious.

Ending my rant.. I’m a FF MMO fan. I’ve been playing XIV since beta 2. But at this point, I’m not a SE fan, and there is a difference. SE is making poor choices with what could be a fantastic game. The mold is there. The mechanics are present. SE just needs to stop effing with it. Many FF fans and XIV fans will agree the current release date is TOO SOON. It’s still far too buggy and broken.

Yeah. The notion of having separate classes for crafting and gathering absolutely baffles me. I thought we left that shit at the door with Ultima Online.

Of course, I don’t really know all that much about MMOs, my experience with them being mostly limited to WOW. I tried FF11, which I didn’t get far enough in to learn all that much about the crafting system, and City of Heroes, which I don’t think had a crafting system when I played it. I only really know about Ultima Online’s merchant class due to reading a column about it years and years ago.

Whatever. Crafting-only classes are bullshit.

I’ll tell you something. 90% of the time you can tell if you are going to like a game or not before you play it, that’s just true. If you like it that’s fine, but don’t try and tell other people want to think or how to act. Also someone is DEFINITELY aloud an opinion of a game if they played it for a week.

mmorpg’s really aren’t my kind of games. however the guy you were talkin to made guild wars 2 sound amazing. why, because he has a genuine love for the product he is promoting and for me that is something that gets me fired up about a game.
this is also where square enix fail. if their game footage is poor and they aren’t even willing to be interviewed about their releases personally it feels like a big middle finger to the fans. i honestly feel that they are sitting in their office laughing at the fans because they know that they will make money on any crap they release because it says final fantasy, or square enix on the box. they have no love for their product anymore and they definitly have no love for their fans. if they did they would make the effort.

Maybe not everyone cares if a game is beautiful, maybe not everyone wants to see “emotion” on a party members face, maybe they just want a fucking GAME.

This.. this “thing” is not a game, it is every bullshit animu stereotype bundled into a giant cocksucking fairy magic package.

Sorry woman, welcome to the interwebs.

This is also a problem with SW: TOR to an extent, though it’s not pushing nearly as hard. People always complain about MMO graphics until they hear their computer straining and gasping for air. I’m not sure FF XIV would run on my comp.

Well, until now, I’ve heard only negative things about the original Guild Wars. It’s not highly regarded from my circuit (the WoW circuit) so it’s sort of dissuaded me from touching it. seeing though how Spoony seems to have similar tastes in RPGs as I do (he introduced me to P4) I’m willing to take more interest.

‘Qualified to have an opinion’ What does that even mean? Does it mean FF is exclusive to it’s fans only and newcomers don’t have a say? Spoony hasn’t just played FF XIV for a few minutes or even the entire series for a couple of years, he’s been playing it since FF 1. So in context of your argument then yes, Spoony is more than qualified to comment on FF XIV and the series as a whole.
My opinion (if I’m allowed one) is that every recent incarnation of FF looks no different than the game before it. Yes the graphics are crisp and beautiful but is that all fans of this series are pining for? In terms of appeal this game just doesn’t in any way interest me in the slightest. Games are not meant to be exclusive they should appeal to everyone. After all how are Square Enix going to sell games? The trailer for this game certainly doesn’t help in this regard. Nothing happens in this trailer. It doesn’t tell us anything about the game apart from showing us what has been in each FF game since FF IX, androgynous characters and furies. Any decent MMORPG would aim to have a trailer that engages the viewer rather than show nothing but songs with lyrics that make little sense and pointless scenes of people doing nothing but walk and dance.
The Deus Ex Human Revolution trailer works in this regard because stuff was actually happening in that trailer. In fact I’ve never played the original Deus Ex but the sci-fi setting in Human Revolution looks intriguing and has more to show than it’s impressive visuals, unlike FF. Seriously when will FF end? Barely months after FF XIII came out FF XIV was being touted for release. Makes you wonder if the next instalment is already in the works, which it probably is.

and you don’t have to do that, you can go solo quest or do pvp or just explore places or use your professions to make money. You don’t have to raid and do heroics in World of Warcraft, you don’t have to grind.

Its amazing how everyone on here spouts off all this junk about grinding the same boss over and over again when its really not that, nor has it been that in years. A lot of the people on here are just speaking out of their collective asses, Theres only a handful of people commenting that currently still play and i don’t see how anyone can not comment on the ignorances being portrayed here.

WoW has changed a lot since launch, hell its changed a lot since Burning Crusade. Leveling is not the chore it used to be, and with Cataclysm looming on the horizon leveling should be a lot more fun for those involved.

I’m sorry if my post came across as telling people how to think. And I do agree that you CAN judge a book by its cover in all forms of media, be it actual books, movies, or video games. There are instances when a trailer completely BS’s the consumer, for good or for bad. That’s pulled a lot in movies and games, and novel back covers come to think of it.

I don’t mean to tell anyone what to do, what to buy, anything. I am sorry for coming off that way. There are a lot of really intelligent people out there who have formed a negative opinion of FFXIV for darn good reason. A common joke between my friends and I is something like “Oh.. *sigh* And we all still want to play this broken, broken, game. Don’t we?” But it isn’t because it’s FF. It’s because it’s fun. We’ve all tried a lot of games to play together like Sacred 2 (extremely broken but still fun if you have enough patience for all the crashing and random mishaps) and Borderlands (extremely fun again, but not really RPG enough to last long).

Playing FFXIV with my group so far has been awesome, full of laughs and discovery. That’s just my take on it. I would honestly rather the game remain as popular as FFXI. I like the quieter servers. My group feels the same way. But it’s hard to stand by when the less intelligent interwebz folk come around with the old bash-o-rama for no reason. I don’t reply to these things often because I would be at the PC all day long for the rest of my life, but I feel I can express my opinion as well every now and again.

And I still have to disagree with you about the last point. In a solo player game, a week is all it takes. Heck, a couple hours will allow you to judge a game fairly. But considering the pacing of an MMORPG, a week is not enough for some to get out of the first tutorial/newbie stages. So that’s like quitting Fable because you got tired of chasing chickens. There ARE players who will dedicate themselves completely to that entire week, and they will get to level 20+ and start experiencing at least the beginning of the middle chunks of the game, but I was referencing the not so hardcore.

Wow.

Seriously, people are defending FF14? Why? I loved FFIX but everyone hates that one, and it looks like we’re stuck with these pretentious ‘this MUST be deep’ bland games calling themselves part of the FF series. But Guild Wars 2? Just wow. I was veerrrrry impressed with all I heard and saw and the main thing running through my mind was: This is what I have waited for games to become. So yeah, super excited.

But gawdamn why d’ya have to hate on epic mickey (trollface.jpg)

You’ve got too much time on your hands to spend bashing a game you don’t care to play at all. I’m not on the forums, bashing TOR/GW2 because they are WoW clones. Nope, I spend my time in the forums for the games I care to play, like FFXIV. You don’t agree? That’s fine, but we don’t need your opinions to form ours, with actual facts instead of shit like this, complaining about a BOTANY CLASS having boring combat!!!

Grow a clue idiots, nobody cares about your bashing. People will play whatever THEY WANT TOO, DEAL WITH IT, YOU’RE NOT INFLUENCING ANYONE NOT ALREADY INFLUENCED.

All these folks complaining about FF Online have any of you ever played the series before? It’s always been a mundane grind. I know Spoonies the man on this site but stop jumping on the bandwagon. He said it sucks but I don’t think he every played the other online games…because they’re all like that. One long boring grind and if you don’t pay and play you lose what you’ve worked for. FF has always been at the bottom of the MMO list no one serious about MMO’s picks it up. That game is punishingly tedious and redundant. The end game boss almost takes 24 hours to defeat. I’ve met many people who played MMO’s but none that had anything good to say about FFonline ever. Even the hardest to the core WoW players that spend 40-50 hours a week on a MMO wouldn’t touch it.

It’s going to take a lot of work to remake 2D games for 3D platforms that came out over a decade after the games.

FF7 wasn’t real 3D like current JRPGs. The characters were 3D, but they moved around on matte paintings. That won’t fly in this day and age.

I’m not saying they can’t do it, but it would take a lot more work than most people assume.

I’m not denying that the GW2 will be good. But the second half of the video was those guys just jerking of into the camera.

You’re right, FFXIV isn’t a WoW clone, I never said that, and it’s the main reason I’m interested in it. I need a mmo that doesn’t just copy the next guy’s homework, that is willing to do their own.

And the non-combat classes do not fight, they get the npcs to kill the mobs, and to cure them. Of course, spoonyone didn’t care to learn about this before choosing this class, so instead he bashes it in the most uninformed way he could so he could feel justified by SE not holding his little foreign hand. The GW2 people held his hand, and he praised the game for the people kissing his ass.

This video is butthurt bullshit.

About the qualified to have an opinion.. If you watch Spoony vids, it’s a concept you should know. He tends to tell viewers straight out (like in the recent Spike TV game review) how long he actually played the game before reviewing. Why does he bother? Because if he only played for half an hour, we viewers wouldn’t take his opinion seriously. He made a note (again citing the Spike TV interview) to tell viewers that that first fight was NOT the only one he played. He had to tell people that because they were flaming him thinking otherwise. I didn’t mean to offend. I was expressing my opinion as well. I didn’t mean to come off as a shark in the water I was doing the rare thing of defending a game I have played and enjoyed with friends. I don’t like flame wars.

And I should have explained it before: I wasn’t citing Spoony there, I was citing people I have actually talked to who said they got to say level 5 in FFXI and quit and formed their opinion of the ENTIRE GAME on those five levels. And people I have talked to that said they played WOW for an hour and quit, and feel they are more qualified than a WOW end game veteran to tell others how awful it is.

I said in my post SE dropped the ball. They screwed up. They could have offered so much more. I have seen more exciting youtube videos for pete’s sake. I don’t pretend that’s not true. And I’m not telling anyone what to do, but I mentioned, if you want a real taste of the game and not SE’s fail advertising, try the open beta.

And of course the next installment is already in the works. How long do you think it takes to make a game? I said in a different post, we first heard of Rapture AKA FFXIV back in 2005. And FFXIV is still buggy and laggy in places it shouldn’t be and unnecessarily weird (like retainers.. we all agree they need to go..).

I agree, FF is always more of the other FF series. They’re all like that. Different story (slightly) and same game mechanics. Exactly the same in most cases. Or the differences are so inconsequential or easy to forget (like FFVIII junctioning, you just optimize, click, forget, it didn’t really make the game). FFXIV is in some cases even FFXI-2, at least visually. But when you get down to the mechanics, it’s quite different. XP gain, switching jobs, storing items, interacting with NPCs, storyline importance, battle mechanics, point distribution, I could go on. FFXIV is definitely the same *flavor*. I won’t deny it.

I do agree with points you have made and I appreciate your reply. And again, to you and the entire comments user-base, sorry for not clarifying these things earlier.

I applaud Square-Enix… crashing their new game is fucking hilarious. Best Game Presentation Ever…

Guild Wars 2 might give me the hopes to actually like MMO’s.

You know a lot of game developers fail once or twice in the business. What, should they stop making video games and start developing games for cell phones? Why shouldn’t they try, and maybe do it better?

Fuck final fantasy. That is all on that topic. However, on the topic of guild wars 2, the push towards a more story centric focus is great and I couldn’t be happier that MMO creators are starting to figure that out, I still have a problem. You see, the flaw is inherent in the structure of mmo’s. In order for new players to be accepted in, the world has to be relatively the same for everyone. Herein lies the problem. Example: in the trailer is a shot of a bridge being destroyed by a magic spell. Great, it looks really cool. In a single player game that would be an awesome moment of heroism. But in a single player game, it only happens once. You do it, and it’s awesome. In an online setting either one of two things will happen. Either the bridge will be destroyed and remain destroyed forever (or at least long enough to allow for a realistic rebuilding time) this flat out isn’t going to happen. Maybe I’m wrong, but if they take that choice I will be amazed. Or, the bridge will be gone for you, but not for players who haven’t yet encountered that quest. Great, but you’re still not affecting the world in any kind of real way. The problem is heroes. Heroes are not the correct choice for an MMO central character. Heroes change things. They upset the status quo. In an MMO that can not happen. Now superheroes on the other hand… Whether or not you liked city of heroes, consider this. Gameplay wise, city of heroes is just another mmo. It plays out in mostly the exact same way. But a superheroes purpose is to defeat villains. Unlike a hero, a superhero knows that apocalypse can be pluralised. They don’t win, they hold back the storm. The purpose of a superhero is to maintain the status quo. Storyline wise, at least in my opinion, that’s a drastic improvement. It makes the MMO structure believable. It justifies it. The gameplay serves to enhance the story as opposed to the way that the story frames the gameplay. Anyways, just some random thoughts. Don’t take my word for it, Guild Wars 2 might be great. But I won’t be getting my hopes up.

Exactly, and how could he praise GW2, when there isn’t any real info available about it, other than the devs beating their chests calling it a “WoW killer”, when it looks and plays exactly like WoW from what I’ve seen.

That’s far more boring than what I’ve seen in FFXIV so far, then again, THAT’S JUST MY OPINION, MAN.

I don’t have to bash WoW in order to like FFXIV, or GW2, or TOR. I like what I like, for my own damn reasons.

This bashing games you never cared to play with bias, is getting OLD. People are turning the gaming media industry into FOXNEWS with their uninformed slander.

Spoony needs to go back to making walkthrough videos, instead of bashing games that will divide his audience like this video does. I had his fucking site bookmarked for years now, just waiting for more win like the phantasmogoria II playthrough had. Instead, I’m feeling like this shit isn’t worth a bookmark. Just fucking ignorance and mindless biased bashing, no funny, just sad and hate.

The FFXIV site has always been weeks, even months behind the information that has been released to the public (usually via JP magazines). Trying to understand why SE does things is like peeking inside the mind of a lunatic. I really don’t know. xD They fail at advertising on all sides. Again, no idea why. The world may never know.

lol, and how many people play gw today? I’m willing to bet, more are playing ffxi than gw, even with it being f2p.

Well he only partly bashed FFIX. Mostly he bashed Square for not showing off what’s great about their games. (And not showing off the etter one at all)
If they chose to show off combat with a “BOTANY CLASS”, as you put it so pointently in caps, I really have to agree with him. This was a STUPID move on Squares Part.
Furthermore making an MMORPG look lifeless, also not a good strategy to sell it to people, who aren’t giant FF fanboys.

That right there should tell you something.

I agree with absolutely everything you say; both the good things and the bad things. FFXIV isn’t perfect and it’s not going to be for everyone. Some people are going to hate this game, and that’s fine. I don’t really want to play with people who hate a game I’m enjoying.

My point to all of my replies here is that before you can truly give your opinion on a game you should explore it. Weighing ten minutes over a month is a very large difference in game experience. May I just point out that Spoony recently did a game review on Deadliest Warriors in which the game designers rebuttaled by stating that Spoony hadn’t played the game long enough to give it a proper review. He then responded with just how many hours he had spent on the game. He can’t do that with his review. He didn’t spend hours playing the game, testing out the fights, the levequests, the community, the missions, the crafting, and the job.

I really don’t care if he hates the game. He has a right to, but hate the game because you’re INFORMED, not because your bias.

Well yeah but the only thing he has to base his opinion on this game IS the demo. The demo is meant to get people fired up about the finished product and tell people like us that they absolutely have to buy it. His point was, that Guild Wars put together a much better presentation than Final Fantasy.

That’s the problem. He didn’t give his initial impression. He stated this opinion as FACT. He said the game was pathetic and that we shouldn’t buy it; but with such a large expanse of a game how can you judge it in only ten minutes. In the years that I’ve played FFXI I’ve spend 124 DAYS playing. Not hours. Days. How in the world can you judge a game that expansive by a 10 minute demo?

I should probably just copy and paste this to everyone of my posts here. SE failed at marketing, and SE sucks for that. I truly believe that the only thing Spoony is informed enough about to review properly is the fact that SE were dicks at PAX and their marketing team made horrible decisions.

Are either of these games going to be available on the mac? No? Oh, ok then. *sigh*

Let’s see.. played the first final fantasy online.. I remember hating it. I remember it being clunky, hard to control, annoying and for the love of god the rabbit of death and giving up on it because literally it looked pretty but that was about it. A game can’t get by just by looking pretty. Fast forward to my recent stint in the ff14 beta which at this point pretty much premotional/playtest stage just because how soon the release date is going. It looks really pretty! Still.. it’s hard to control, clunky and just kinda throwing story and good looks at me to try and ignore the gameplay is boring! It’s not just Spoony who thinks FF14 is at best lackluster.

Guild War, I remember playing guild wars 1 on release and in beta and giving up on it pretty much instantly. It didn’t have an mmo feel to it and I pretty much said to myself if I wanted to play Diablo 2 online I might as well play diablo 2 and not the original Guild Wars. Guild Wars 2 on the otherhand, has my curiosity perked, will it be any good? I dunno but from playing ff14 and just looking at Guild Wars 2 My money’s on Arena net. I’d rather start my Ultima online account again then play ff14 to be perfectly blunt.

ArenaNet have done nothing but improve their series over it’s lifespan, Eye of the North being the best mmo I’ve ever played so far, with absolutely superb graphics&views, music, gameplay and a pretty neat storyline to back it all up.
Honest to God, I can not wait to play GW 2.

Will definitely be checking out GW2 thanks to you Spoony, looks awesome.

Did you even watch the video past the generic boring MMO segment? He RAVED in glee about GW2.

You know that every MMO is a grindfest, right? And probably I could find many beta testers, who like the game, so it’s hardly a deciding factor.

In defense of Final Fantasy all MMO’s have their grinds and their differences. You have to choose your poison. FF has it’s own fan base that likes that type of MMO style. That game is made to cater to them. Some people like the point and click styles you have Wow,everquest,LOTR and games like that…those games are for you. Some people like the cutesy art styles so you have games like Maple Story and MMO’s like that. Some people don’t like grinding and want a story with an ending so you have online Games like Guild Wars that offer you that. Some people want a combination of all of these so you have games like Shin Megami Tensei Online (which is freaking amazing) and you can play that. What Spoony didn’t seem to get is that MMO’s come in different play styles. FFconsole games and FFMMO games are two completely different monsters. You can’t go into FFonline expecting the same play you get in their console games. It just doesn’t work that way. It’s a completely different style of game. To people not into FFonline that game might look like trash but to those who enjoy that style of MMOrpg’s it might look heaven sent.

FF IV, VII, and XIII off the bat are engaging and exciting, even in the begining if the game when your just mashing attack, with occasional spells.

I’ve only played 2 FF games in my life, so you can’t really say, that I’m a fan. The avatar shows that I like that particular character, this doesn’t mean that I like every FF game. I’m sure that I won’t play FF14 either, since I don’t like MMOs. But I just hate when people call games shit when those are not even ready. Yes there was a badly crafted demo at PAX, a demo of a game in beta state. I saw a lot of shitty demos in the past decade which showed that the final game might suck, but when it was finally released, people liked it. So excuse me if I give it the benefit of the doubt. (Just for the record, I saw tons of good demos, but the final versions of these games turned out bad.)

In my defense, how was I supposed to know about the building your own class. There’s nothing on their own website that says that. I was giving them a valid chance to sell me on their game, and it didn’t. I saw what appears to be the same system as FF11 with shiny new graphics. But I should be able to find out about the game by going to its website. If I can’t trust them to make a decent website, why should I trust them to make a decent game?

Their website did not make me want to play, and I will not play it. In fact, the website made me remember the few things I liked about FF11 and miss them more than inspire me to play 14. Yes, marketing failed, but just because a fan decided to tell me these features doesn’t mean I’m going to play a game made by a company thats too lazy to even represent their game well on their own website, where I was going multiple times over the past few months and pretty much saying, “Why should I buy this game?” and the answer I found was, “I shouldn’t”

Blind loyalty stains your vision. No game company is perfect.

1:40 yea wtf hahaha

Heh, I find that funny. All I saw were nekos.
What’s even more humorous is GW2 displays severeal times in their demos a feline race that can classify as “furry.” Yet you magically don’t bring that up. Is it because there is a bias for your beloved MMORPG ?
~blantant condescending tone~
Yes, I think so. I really do.

Sorry, had to single out that little brilliant display of stupidity.

I think the butt-hurt FF fans only say that you can’t tell that the final game will suck or not from a demo. But Spoony can, since he is a genious.

Can we please stop buying Final Fantasy games? The last good one was VII and they won’t get any better at this rate. I really want Square-Enix to make a great Final Fantasy game but they won’t unless we refuse to buy their crap and start demanding quality games.

And you think that saying “you suck because you like a game” is normal? I like Spoony’s videos, but when he says things like this, I could kick him in the face.

Having played the open beta, I have to say that I’ve never ever cancelled a pre-ordered game… until this one. It’s basically a wreck of not only programming, but also of concept. I also resent being asked to pay beta this game for its vaunted ps3 release.

SE doesn’t care about my feedback or input. They boasted their lack of research in the market and refusal to solicit feedback on their game’s experience, so why the hell should I pay them money for such a colossal conceptual, programming and gaming experience failure?

No thanks. Me and my not-wanted input will go elsewhere.

The Final Fantasy series is on life support, and no amount of denial by the fanboys is going to change that. Square do us all a favor and pull the plug, it’ll be a mercy killing.

“The Final Fantasy series is on life support”

Proof?

how about the fact that FFXIII was in the bargin bin in japan 2 weeks after release

Damn, Guild Wars 2 makes me wish the day had 48 hours so I had enough time to go to college, have a job, go working out AND play an MMO. Some epic stuff.

I have been into Final Fantasy VII and liked IX to a degree, but I can´t say I ever played anything else extensively. Can´t say I regret it.

Oh Square Enix… =(
What have you become…?

In other news –
HOLY FUCKING CRAP GUILD WARS 2 LOOKS FREAKING AWESOME!!! 8D

I’ve never been interested in MMO’s because of all the things that you listed. But if they’re going to get rid of that stuff then I say “I’m trading in all of my games toward the purchase of this game and getting my tent set up in front of Gamestop, because I’m going to get this game if it’s the last thing I ever do.”

Hey if you’re having fun with it power to you and it’s great that you can admit it’s not the best, like I really enjoyed FF13, but I can admit it’s a steaming pile of horse crap. I still think you can judge an MMO way before a weeks play, because you’ll be able to tell if it has weak gameplay, graphics, etc.

I’m a huge fan of FFXI, and I’m looking at FFXIV only casually, but everything that Spoony says is right. At the same time, FFXIV might not be as crappy as you think. It’s crap, but only because no one knows how to present itself.

Let me explain: FFXI is and probably always be the MMO I look back on most fondly, even though the gameplay itself is crap. This is a recent trend with the FF’s, probably starting from like 7. The games do a good job creating a world, with amazing music and a sense of immersion. Characters may be crap, along with game mechanics, but ever since FF went 3-D its’ never been about action: it’s about the world itself, and being part of it.

So when it comes to demos, of course it’s gonna be crap. I knew it even before they showed it that the demo was going to be crap. Why? Take a look at what it can show:
1. PvP: Games like GW2 or WoW can show people fighting each other with “ACTION” written all over it. FF has never been about PvP, so all attempts like that are auto-fail.
2. PvE: Despite all the PR bullshit about FFXIV being different, it’s still going to be a group-centric game. Solo grinding in FFXI was never fun or exciting, and doing some sort of co-ordinated thing with other people at PAX was probably ‘too much work’ (i.e. lazyness). And the whole “oh, why don’t you show high level fights and stuff”? Because they don’t want to spoil not only the story-line (I mean, who wants to play 6 months later only to realize the first raid boss is the demo one?), but also things they might reveal later.

All they really could do was show the immersive world (which failed, given the amount of noise/traffic) and hope that the world was intriguing enough to play. So yeah, demos of it are going to blow chunks in a large setting. I’m not defending them (S-E has horrible PR, doesn’t care about its’ games, are just dumb), but you got to realize that it was doomed to fail from the start.

My MMO Poisons of Choice are Lord of the Rings Online and City of Heroes. And from what I’ve seen, I might be tempted to try Guild Wars 2.

Although you couldn’t pay me to try FF14.

Not even close to the reality of the world.

“I mean, in the last E3 there weren’t showing anything good about Final Fanta$y 14, just people running around and talking to people and yet the people who play it claimed that it was the most awesome game ever! ”
Now that’s stupid, I admit that.

“Thats what fanboys are all about!”
But that’s silly. Even if a game is not perfect, and has its faults, there are a lot of people who can enjoy them. They don’t have to be fanboys for that. I bought Alpha Protocol, which got mediocre reviews and was buggy. But I liked it. You must be an elitist if you only like perfect games, with 90+ reviews.

Dude, check yourself before *I* wreck you. I’m a ‘mo and I can’t stand this crap either. Don’t be hatin like that.

While FFXIV may not be a good game and GW2 really good, this was by far one of your worst videos. When I watch something like this I want to know about the actual games, not someone downright insulting something because it wasn’t presented very well then pairing it off with another game which looks equally as bad and praising that since it was better represented. This factor is unimportant when I want to see games coverage. Its not like If I buy GW2 I’ll get the PAX booth included complete with reps telling me how awesome it is and in no way is it a non-mmo wow clone.

Stick your coverage videos on another site like you did with WrestleWrestle please. I’d rather see actual Spoony reviews and playthroughs than very unprofessional coverage of these events.

i love it! XD every time you talk smack about final fantasy the video gets at least 7 times as many comments :P

its the comment number of the beast! i must advance it!

HAHAHA, I always love Spoony’s rants, especially for FF14. Not surprised the S-E people treated you like shit since you’re not from a major gaming site or magazine publication. They’re too big for their britches.

Thats the trick with MMO’s, you show the cool stuff a fair bit down the line from the starting zone not the dull opener parts. Already hyped for GW2 release and long lost any interest for online FF games after the first one came out on the console.

Pretty cool that guy from Arenanet was an old timer from the good ol days :)

I agree, MMORPGs are supposed to set themselves apart and look interesting from the beginning, since MMOs don’t have an ending, you’ll simply be traversing the same lands over and over and over and over again until once a year an expansion comes out that changes/adds a little more, but nothing considerable, so in my view, if it doesn’t look interesting at first, it’s probably shit.

take a look at the progression of the series, in the early to mid 90′s Square was on top of their game (no pun intended) and release FFVI and VII widely regarded as the best two games in the series.

now look at XIII, reviews were generally low and fan backlash was at an all time high. Almost no one thought it is as good as VI or VII.

there is a steady decline in the quality of Square Enix’s games. you cannot deny it, it is a fact.

i think FFXIV is pathetic too and guess what im allowed to because i have an OPINION

They were there to sell themselves.

They blew it.

Simply put. And from what i’ve heard from folk who’ve tried the beta, plus video’s of the beta: there’s nothing else there. They haven’t learned their lessons from FF11.

there were plenty of better options to showcase at PAX then the intro fight with abysmal enemy and NPC AI.

in your defense your saying it’s ok for FFXIV to be dull? awesome logic.

“It’s really not the franchise for me. I could care less about whether people like the franchise”

so your arguing for something you have no personal investment in? are you really that bored or do you just like starting shit on the internet?

lol looks like someone is a little butthurt SE just pimp slapped him with new updates

oh and they blew you off cause your a NOBODY. Im only here cause someone told me to flame the shit outta your lame ass

oh because almost 6 million people bought it, not to mention second hand sales that dont count, seems like everyone bought, played, beat it, and stopped buying it. See the trend?

Look at your argument before you post, it will make you look just a little less stupid

Strictly speaking from what you’ve shown us here, I definitely have to agree that Final Fantasy 14 did a rather abysmal job at this particular gaming show. That’s not to say that the final game might not be a ton of fun to play, I don’t know and frankly I’m not a fan of MMO’s so I also don’t care, but that as you said the staff in charge of the demo failed in their specified job to catch our interest. That is just as much of a discredit to the game itself, if it proves to be good, as anything you’ve said about it.Yet people seem to be mad at you, Spoony, and not at the executives at Square for failing to provide a demo worthy of the game. Even bad games usually have good demos, or fun ones at the very least.

In regards to Guild Wars 2 however, I’m honestly going to have to consider retracting my statement about not being interested in MMOs.. My jaw was absolutely slack as I watched the coverage you provided. The environment looked lush and alive, the character models and movements looked well thought out, and best of all the one time monthly fee had be absolutely giddy. This might be the first MMO I actively seek out. :) Thanks for pointing me in it’s direction!

When you make an appointment with the press, and Spoony did have a Press Pass, you have an obligation to see it through regardless of how small time they might be. Blowing someone off who you already agreed to meet with is a dick move no matter who you are. I don’t always agree with Spoony, but even I know a dick move when I see one.

He said there was an open beta but they weren’t playing on it. In any case MMO’s are not built to play single player in empty zones of course it looks boring. He was playing an incomplete game. An unreleased mmo with no community and wrinkles still being ironed out= Incomplete. Also if it relates or not “beta” doesn’t mean a game is finished it means it’s close to being finished but they are still making adjustments. Spoony is an interesting reviewer but learn to have an opinion of your own. Don’t be a yes man because someone else dislikes something. I don’t anyone should be able to hate on a game they haven’t played first hand especially MMO’s. Being someone that played almost every MMO under the sun one thing I will say is that the worst MMO can be the best one and vice versa it all depends on the people your playing with. They are what makes these games fun. I think Spoony is a great reviewer…when he reviews game He’s actually played! but bashing a game outright because you don’t like the way it looks isn’t right at all. “Don’t judge a book by it’s cover” & don’t hate on a game until you played it yourself… and I know damn well no one on here has a retail copy of FF15. I respect other peoples opinions but don’t write a game off because someone else doesn’t like it and tells you not to get it.

Here here! That was incredibly insulting. Whether you like the game or not, the comments were ridiculous and inappropriate.

Well Duke is now being made by competent people…in it’s defense.

But yeah I kinda got that vibe when I heard that but I know they probably mean it in a KOTOR “When it’s ready and by that we mean sometime in the next two years” kind of way.

So you’re here to falme somebody…because somebody else TOLD you too? And you call Spoony lame? Wow

What slays me about what I heard about FF14 is that its combat is slower than FF11. I watched my friend fight a single giant wasp in FF11, and that took forever. I can’t imagine how combat is supposed to be even slower.

yes that was Spoony’s point exactly, Arenanet put on a presentation that showed the consumers they were proud of their product.

SE seemed ashamed.

No, I know Gearbox will do a good job with Duke, but in my mind, “Duke Nukem: Forever” will still never exist because 3D Realms didn’t make it. Gearbox did. This is Gearbox’s “Duke Nukem: Forever,” not THE “Duke Nukem: Forever.”

i decided i had to post this fact, with ff13, i played other games while playing that game, and watched tv. psp in hand, some shit on tv for background noise, and my foot hammered away at the x button in 14 minute intervals (black buy and i think the little girl) and that was all i had to do for 14-30 minutes to win the battle (only way to win faster would be to level her mage abilities i think, but fuck me for wanting a healer instead)

even with everquest, i can and have played other games while playing that game, well, aside from high risk swarming with a shadow knight. i get a group of 20-50 mobs together, hit my life tap on melee dmg 1.5 (i heal when i do dmg), and go to town, without that ability, i would die in 1-2 seconds from the massive amounts of dmg the mobs are pushing, but its a risk reword type of thing.

“Immersion”? where did that come from? You replying to me or someone else?

I don’t know if your familiar with MMO’s (which I’m starting to doubt) but they are never done. Developers are always adding new content onto the games even when it’s live. Patches can be applied any time to the game. When you get your retail copy you have no idea what they did to that game by the time you get your hands on it. You only know they are upgrading it because “they tell you”. The game they showed now may have improvements over the one that is released. Just because you saw a 10sec clip of the game play doesn’t mean that’s it. You have no idea what you were looking at and neither did Spoony. You also have no idea what they were working on and why they weren’t showing those parts of the game.

“the demo represented what a single character would experience if no one else was there and it failed, if it cant stand on its own it cant stand no matter how populated it gets.” The demo show just that a demo. It was made to show people what the world “looked” like and how “that” character interacts in it…and as for your comment about immersion that’s not something that any game can give you in the first 5 seconds of play time and certainly not an MMO. The game has to grow on you so you learn what your character is about and what’s going on in the world. Like I said MMO’s are about playing with other people. Your not going to become captivated by a world where your alone… ever play an mmo on a private server? Nothing is interesting about it when you have a town to yourself. It kills the point of the game.

whatever man im so tired of saying the same thing beta after beta, the same tired argument was used in STO and it failed, the same tired argument was used in AOC, it failed, the same tired argument was used in champions online, it failed, the same tired argument was used in AION, it failed,

so go on in your little world the rest of us know the truth.

i dont even think a miracle can, Sakaguchi is gone, Nobou is gone, SE is a hollow shell of what it once was.

How can it be a fact if it’s YOUR opinion?

Sure! If by “The Truth” you mean “Your opinion”

In before 1,000 comments. It’ll get there too, a lot of pissed off fanboys.

The world in GW2 is fully persistent and open… you’ll bump into plenty of people out there with you. In the open world, events will be continually occurring, and whether or not you interact in the events will affect how the world changes around you. If you ignore centaurs attacking a village, they’ll take the village. You’ll get an event to retake the village, but until you (or someone else) does, that is now a centaur town.

The permanent effects occur in your personal story. There you have an instanced area that is your “home”, but it’s not just a house, it’s an entire neighborhood. You’ll find npcs (which move in as you help them in the persistent world), an orphanage, hospital, bar, etc. Things that happen in your permanent world are that… permanent. If you let someone die, they stay dead to you. If you help the hospital while the orphanage is burning down, the orphans have no place to go now (but hey, the hospital is safe…).

Hopefully this clears things up a little.

I hope this doesn’t double post… I registered while trying to post it before and it went away…

As a wise engineer once said, “NOPE”.

Chrono trigger was one of my favorite RPGs of all time, right up there with FF7, i haven’t paid any attention to SE since FF8 and i intend to keep it that way.

My uncle, who was inexplicably one of the die-hard fanboys of FF8 won’t even touch the stuff they are putting out these days.

Spoony has a press pass and was covering the game, an believe me as a fan of Spoony i know he would have liked nothing more than to LOVE newer final fantasy games, if you knew anything about the history of this website (i dunno, by reading the ABOUT page??) you would know Spoony loved final fantasy once upon a time. The shit you retards endorse is causing the entire franchise to sink like the goddamn titanic, i hope you are proud of yourself.

I’ve always loved the Guild Wars series. I’d much rather buy an expansion of a whole new world on my own time than some monthly subscription. One thing that I enjoyed from the first that I hope is duplicated in the second is the flexibility of all the builds .The immense variety of builds available for different tasks and experimenting with them was one of the more enjoyable aspects of the game. Being able to change the attributes and skills quickly and easily between missions instead of having just a handful of rigid builds that cost a pretty penny of grinding to change (This means you WoW!). Especially for the necromancer: from crowd control to damage to spiker to battery and all the variations for PvE and PvP and elite areas like Tombs, UW, and DOA, that’s what always made it so satisfying for me. It was about putting together a good team with the correct tools; you didn’t need the best loot to win, even in elite dungeons; they were always a distant secondary to team composition and skill setup and use. It wasn’t about some endless grind for the SuperSword of UltraExtended Penis of Foreverkilling. It was about winning the fights themselves-I never felt like a skeleton with equipment like WoW where my character didn’t matter. I also enjoyed the pace of combat more. If the game keeps this, I’ll enjoy it.

The scenery was always nice too, and really did feel like a painting, and the fast, sometimes frenetic, pace of the combat was welcome, even when VQing a high level area.

Sorry, I think need to go back to playing again…Its been a couple weeks:)

just because he had a press pass, does not mean they had to talk to them. Period, and if he was somebody, why does he just run some website i was shown for the first time today? I could walk in to pax and register for a press pass too, does not mean im somebody.

Im just the consumer. but its ok, if he wants to hate on the game, he can hate on it, it amuses me since hes not really making people rethink decisions on the game.

But he has a right to his opinion. But when you walk in with an attitude that he did, he deserved to get blown off cause hes not worth their time.

spoony is getting utterly trashed right now on a few of the major mmo sites and the ffxiv fan sites.

@nick

“butthurt much?”

That must be your favorite phrase, it also describes you perfectly.

Argh. Thank you for the thorough coverage of the newest Final Fiasco, Noah. You’ve all but guaranteed that the husband and I will NOT be throwing our money away on this waste of time.

To be frank, Final Fantasy has been dead to me for a long, looooong time (since FFX, actually) – and I’m one of those freakish fans of FF8. (loved your rants about my favorite game of all time, though! Your raving about Diablos was historic) This simply looks like another shovel of dirt on top of the already thoroughly nailed coffin. I wish SquareEnix would just bury this beast and be done with it. There are other game series they could be dedicating their time to than this dead horse.

That song sucked worse than “Eyes on Me”. Also, Jeff Grubb is awesome as a writer and storyteller. I’m with ya Noah!

I find what has happened to Square Enix to be very saddening. All the 16 bit glorious games I played with friends in my youth, Chrono Trigger, Final Fantasy 6, The 7th Saga… Also reminds me of all the innovative fan made Half Life mods I enjoyed through my late teen years too. Truly creative titles like Science and Industry, Rocket Crowbar, Vampire Slayer, and so on. What has happened? Is it rose tinted nostalgia that leads me to see the modern era of games as being utter derivative shit? Just a long line of Counter Strike and Halo clones, RPGs that are all style and no substance, pretty cut scenes with bankrupt storytelling… Even the mods and the indie scenes feel like they are becoming a slew of platformer and bullet hell rip offs, each copying from the last.

You ever stop and wonder if we just getting too old for this shit?

I hate to answer honestly, but I think apathetic. Final Fantasy has become the Madden of Japan.

yep must be because the majority is calling FF14 shit.

its from being a part of the industry since EQ in 1999. Look up your own facts if you want im not your bitch boy

my truth is based on factual history, so shove you and “your opinion” into the darkest part of your bunghole.

Someone who has hundreds and hundreds of fans is a nobody? Someone who influences the decisions and opinions of others doesn’t matter? You sir have failed.

Im saying it’s shitty because i’ve been in the beta , i’ve seen it first hand, i’ve played it, Spoony could tell just from a video, me i had to waste 36 hours of my life to get it though my head.

and as for my creds, Beta tested, STO, CO, L2, AOC, EQ2, WOW WOTLK, and others ive forgotten

Guild Wars 2 Dev Team seems like a stand up bunch. Seriously, great writers, pretty graphics, free to play. I am not much for MMO’s but I may pick it up just to support such a cool, fan friendly company.

And support Jeff Grubb for he is the nerd god.

why do people have this horrible completely misguided notion of an Open beta?

It means the game is ready to ship, the master has been sent off to get mass produced, they are ready for prime time and are just stressing the servers, no significant changes will be made, no magic face lift that will make it all better, what you see is what you will get day 1 of launch. So saying its a beta is not a valid defense, thank you go away

i seem to recall STO doing the same thing, i seem to recall CO doing the same thing, i seem to recall AION doing the same thing?

Are those games monumental successes?

stay classy there Nick, way to go

I would have to say, this is the first time I’ve found myself swayed by a review. Do the people at SE even know what MMO players want? Or what Final Fantasy fans want? I was so disappointed with FFXI that I could never bring myself to obtain my own copy. When I first saw FFXIV’s trailers, and their website, it looked like they had learned from their mistakes… It had the perfect premise. Three warring nations, fighting the land, each other, the gods themselves for their very survival. Both dynamic and defined class sets, and an interactive quest engine that connects guilds solidly together… And these are all just gimmicks… for what is essentially an FFXI clone. Seriously, they could have at the very least gone for a Three faction, WoW clone. I mean much of their early advertising seemed to be aimed at WoW fans even. I mean Final Fantasy Tactics meets Diablo… That was what came to my mind the first time I heard the words “Final Fantasy” and “MMO” in the same sentence, Final Fantasy Tactics, meets World of WarCraft was the first thought that came to mind the second time around, that’s what a Final Fantasy MMO should have been at the very least… And it’s what FFVI might could have been if SE had any care for its fans anymore… This is bad, FFVI’s out, will mean that Final Fantasy is just two titles shy from over half the mainline titles sucking. (I’m not even counting the spin-offs…)

Guild Wars 2, that’s something I’ll look at. An MMO I can just buy, then pick up and play again whenever, that looks more like what an FF MMO should be, than any FF MMO is ever going to even try to look like… And all of that is encompassed in a mere fraction of the game from the looks of it. An expansive, persistent world, where the things players do actually have meaning… Hell frickin’ yeah. And this comes to me right out of the blue, without any need to feel anticipation. It’s looking like a game that has quite a bit to live up to, and will still be one of the best games out of this decade if it fails to quite measure up to half of it.

I’d play Guild Wars 2 if it’d release on the Mac (and if I wasn’t susceptible to excessive MMO addiction).
Does look like a really intriguing game :o

You know what you gotta love? No matter if you hate his opinion or not, Spoony wins in the end. All these comments amount to thousands upon thousands of pageviews for TSE. So keep hating haters, you’re only making Spoony richer. :3

i know how they work i’ve seen them work many times, i defy you to prove what i said isnt true.

While you’re right that an “open beta” would be mostly testing the servers for stress, most of the time major changes are made. IIRC, this happened with COD4, and I know for a fact BF:BC2.

Also, all because it is in open beta doesn’t mean the game is sent to mastering and ready to ship. Remember PlayStation Home? That was in a beta stage for years before being released.

I am into JRPGs, but I have not liked a Final Fantasy game for a while. Simply put, there have been better JRPGs that came through the pipeline in the last 13 years.

The good JRPGs understand that Westernizing the script is a good thing, that simultaneous worldwide release dates are terrible, and if it is going to Japanese heavy, a little explanation is called for.

Oh shit, I didn’t know that FF14 was a week away from release. I do agree with you on the “ironclad defense” thing.

yea i could see if we had a month or two left but 7 days,

chances are amazingly high we will see a patch launch day that fixes some minor bugs but has almost no impact what so ever on major aspects of gameplay.

Let’s do the run down: you said you were told to come here to bash an Internet reviewer you disagreed with. You immediately tear into Guild Wars 2,which I can only assume is because you can see quite plainly it is shaping up to be superior. You even admit that Final Fantasy 13 is shit, 12 was “meh”, and 10-2 was terrible. But, like some codependent, abused spouse, you are crawling back to reward them with more of your hard earned money. Reward them for abusing you with FF10-2, 12, and 13. Not only are you rewarding them but you invited more people to give them even more money, presumably so they can afford all the latte they will need to build up enough fluid in their bladder to piss in your face even more.

You are supporting the mediocrity of Square Enix and insuring they will never improve by giving them your hard earned money. As a Final Fantasy fan this should actually upset you but as with many die hard Square Enix fans you seem to suffer from some sort of Stockholm Syndrome. They abuse you, shit on your face, and you vehemently defend this franchise and faulty company while they roll in piles of your money.

Look, Nick, I am not trying to be flippant or mean, okay? I am not trolling you. You yourself say you have hated pretty much everything since 10. You even took 13 back after 3 days. Help me understand what you see in this company. Why let them do this to you, their loyal fan? Ask yourself: do they really deserve your money after all the shit they have done to the franchise you clearly love enough to defend?

Why are you here, Nick?

I am a huge JRPG fan. The only reason that I own a 360 is to play the JRPGs that are not on the PS3. Most of my collection of video games are JRPGs. I have played good ones and I have played bad ones.

That being said, I do not have the nostalgia goggles when it comes to the Final Fantasy games. Some of the games were good, I think the lower numbered games were better than the higher numbered ones. Some were terrible. Others were not as good as people think they were, (I am not going to say which ones).

Now, I have enjoyed the games when they were new, but I have moved on with my life. And frankly, so has the subgenre. Simply put, there are better JRPGs out there. There are game companies that are willing to experiment and not play it safe like Square Enix has done. Sure the experiments do not always work, but atleast it was different.

Persona 3 and 4 both have time limits in the game. The game will end in March before the start of the new school year. but they also give the give the players control over the plot progression. Plot relevent events will happen on the date listed, but everything else is up to the players to decide.

Dragon Quest remembers to have a plot in the games. Sure it may be just as convoluted as the plots in most FF games, but it progress in a logical manner.

Even though I hate the game, Valkyrie Profile has probably the best cast of supporting characters in any game and is a triumph of story telling. Each one only had a cutscene of about 4-10 minutes, but the characters were fully fleshed out in that time. There was no over explaining of motivation, no needless dialog or whatever.

I could go on, but the point is that there is absolutely no reason to think that a game is immune to criticism just because Final and Fantasy are in the title. A bad game is a bad regardless of who makes it.

you say that like its a bad thing, and the site was up before his FFVIII review DOH dont you just hate logic

not that bad is relative,

to me they suck a donkeys anal butter though a straw because i lived though the release of VI and VII and the new ones do not compare at all to those masterpieces and the general majority of fans agree.

people expected better and everyone should expect better then FF14

your QQ sustains me, i must have more

I’m still not getting a link. Link please.

Hey, I seem to have gotten your attention, because nearly all of my posts have replies from you even though I replied to all sorts of people. Please stop trolling. We get it, you hate FFXIV and Square-Enix. That’s pretty much clear.

Your later replies below would indicate otherwise.

and your replies are just as trolling, do you ever offer more then one baiting sentence?

so someone else agreeing with the point i made is completely beyond your understanding, here let me spell it out for you, If people agree with the statement your making vs someone elses statement it usually means your right.

the person agreeing with me was my proof, she said proof not link

Never heard of this Spoony before I saw a link to this article from Gfaqs…

LMAO who the fuck is this 40 year old virgin and is he really trying to talk shit on an MMORPG like FFXIV after playing a couple days?

Have to admit though, I got a good kick from watching his video review. It was like watching a monkey talk about the theory of relativity or Paris Hilton discussing the gubernatorial elections.

Spoony….you fucking clown. I get your thing, trying to be entertaining in your own way to bring traffic to your site and make money, but don’t talk shit about something you cannot fathom.

I had enjoyed FF11 for many a-years in my younger days, and I can tell you, it takes a special taste for a delicacy that is xi and xiv.

The team behind this game take shits as talented as you.
1. Tanaka FF 1,2,3,9
2. Yoshida FF7

Hilarious little eclown, go get a girl for the first time in your life and quit channeling your anger at things you cannot appreciate.

another fanboy… they are worse then roaches.

With their vocabulary they don’t even make a compelling argument. it must be so wonderful to be so butthurt

Spoony is perfectly capable of appreciating FF and as he has at least implied in the past that every game before FF8 was at least decent and he thought that every game after FF7 ranged from mediocre to terrible. Is it really so unreasonable that someone who hated FFs 8 to 13 heads into 14 with a pessimistic attitude.

Secondly Spoony is around 28 not 40.

Thirdly there has never been any indication that he is a virgin in fact from the way you’re acting I think you’re more likely to be a virgin.

Fourthly just because people who made good FFs made this game doesn’t mean it’ll be good (as Linkara said: “anyone with talent is still capable of creating garbage”) and keep in mind these people made single player RPGs and even if they made FF11 they are still VERY inexperienced with MMOs.

Finally, Spoony has played MMOs before. He gets them but if you think a game is boring than no amount of “getting it” is going to change that.

In conclusion: grow up and get over yourself.

He has a girl and judging by your hostility being a clown virgin is your insecurity :p I think Spoony did a fair review, considering it’s PAX coverage, witch means it was judged by what he have seen there, were you even at PAX? :) There may be more to this FF part, but then again it wasn’t a full review and he isn’t hiding it, just read the notes. Your comment is an epic fail, missy, you’re just a senseless hater.

that little “Eclown” makes a living doing this, going to PAX and E3

You on the other hand make a living putting french fries in hot greese…

whos the sadder clown?

all i got is why did you type so much? is “you suck” too much?

As soon as I read articles and saw the videos of FF14′s combat system, I was not impressed at all, it plays just like any other MMO. I then read some articles from beta testers stating that a lot of the environments were copy paste with very little variation and backed this claim up via screenshots. I have been unimpressed with Final Fantasy for a while as they seem to rely on the same game mechanics and do little to innovate, the only thing they can claim is that their games are very pretty.

As for Guild Wars, I never played the first one but Guild Wars 2 has now peaked my interest, I look forward to giving it a try.

You know, I had no interest in this game to begin with and being someone thats given SE more slack then they probably deserve; they should of really been trying to sell this to me. What I’ve seen of the game doesn’t make me want to break my no MMO rule yet and Im not just talking from Spoony’s preview here. Square really did kinda die as a creative outlet with the death of the original Playstation. (hell, I’ll give to about 06 before they got out right awful and that’s being REALLY generous)

Which brings me to another point here; am I like the only person who really liked FFIX? Everyone just seems to skip it altogether and go straight to the wonders of FFX (sarcasm of course) It really was the last good one in the series and felt like it was supposed to be a conclusion and throwback to the series as a whole. I don’t know its probably just me… (considering I don’t really think the SNES ones were that great. Yeah, Chrono Trigger was better then both of them)

I’ll even go so far as to say FFXII was decent as long as you ignored the FF in the title; it had flaws yes but it really wasn’t THAT bad. Hell, SE even put out Radiata Stories which I really did enjoy, but after seeing them literally whore out the FF series to no end with re-releases and needless sequels I’ve just lost hope for a company I’ve followed since I was a wee lad. If they’d like to keep their Snes-Playsation 1 folks they’re gonna have to try a whole lot harder then what they showed here. (if you’re having fun with it. great! but I’m just really unimpressed)

In response to your first post, Blizzard easing the whole “grind” of the game doesn’t make the game any less boring. It just elevates you to the endgame faster, and all you can do at the endgame is A.) Fight in PvP battles (which get boring after awhile, or B.) Join a guild and do raids for weapons and armor that won’t matter at all since you are at the “endgame”, the boss is just going to respawn in 10 minutes for the next group of faceless toons, and thousands of people already have the same gear anyway.

The main point I tried to make about WoW in my post is that there is absolutely no sense of accomplishment. You’re just another going around and around on the hamster wheel coughing up $15 a month to Blizzard to earn things that don’t really matter at all. One could argue endgame gear is useful in dominating PvP matches, but there are way more fun PvP multiplayer games out there that don’t have a monthly fee.

I would much rather play a single-player RPG because not only IS there a sense of accomplishment, but there is an ending too. An ending to your story and quest, not to the same exact fedex quests millions of others are doing. One of the Guild Wars 2 designers in the trailer grabbed me when they said, “This is YOUR story.” And that’s what I want in an MMO: A game you can play with others that *feels* like a single-player game, or rather, a story that is unique to you.

right, i know XD im not really surprised, i just think its funny that its still so easy to piss off fanboys :B

On a side note, what’s with those Zorro masks that so many people seem to be wearing in the game? Are they part of a club or something? ‘Cause it looks kinda silly to me…

At the risk of beating a dead horse, is it possible that SE’s lackluster performance at PAX is because they were saving their A game for this weeks Tokyo Game Show? Japan is the target market for their products, after all.

IX is my favourite FF game. But I’ve liked almost every FF game made, I even liked X. I didn’t like VIII, I sure as hell didn’t like X-2, XII was boring as fuck, and after that I didn’t even bother. I stick to the old ones.

Tactics advance is good too.

Yeah, FFXIV plays like any other MMO, just incredibly slower. Got into the beta, played for two days, no change in sight… And I was out. Performance was horrible, combat boring…
GW2, on the other hand, really looks mighty fine. Enjoyed the first, and if they now replace their “same story for all” approach with “your own story and world”, and manage to keep it interesting, this could as well be the best mmoRPG I might ever play.

I think that if someone can entertain us as such, then go for it! Hell, I’d donate a weekly fee to the guy if he needed it to keep up the site. Sometimes I disagree with him, like on D&D 4e, but that doesn’t mean I don’t value his imput and get a wonderful laugh out of the rest. You know Darephony, you should try being more open minded, ya know?

“I see no regen health tag on this one, let ‘im pass.”

Thank you for the correction! That makes me feel only more hopeful that GW2 will live up to my expectations, forgive me for just being scared of being let down, and I saw an NCsoft tag on on of the trailers, that’s the only reason why I labeled it as such. :3 but thanks again.

RE: FFXIV – lol you’re a whiny idiot. Those intro battles exist because of whiny bitches like you. Then when you get it, you still bitch. Cursing and crying doesn’t make your video any good. It just makes you sound like a cry baby and pretty much invalidates anything you have to say about the game.

I have played in the Open Beta test of Final Fantasy XIV and I can say wholeheartedly that their tech demonstration of the game doesn’t do it justice.

It is far worse than any game I have ever played. Not just with slow combat, but with unfair combat, boring visuals, terrible quests and a storyline I couldn’t give a crap about, which does not star your character as the protagonist, but at least two other people you meet in a beginning cut-scene that are basically whom the story revolves around.

It is the lamest type of gameplay I played this year and was a worse showing than the Last Remnant, which was barely tolerable for a game in that it could actually kill you if you glazed over.

Square-Enix can’t make good games anymore. It is beyond their capabilities. FFXIV is standing proof that Japan is behind when it comes to game design.

FF11 with a facelift doesn’t do much. Deus Ex: Human Revolution and The Third Birthday I look forward to being released. This? We can all pass this up.

I’ll take my time to make my own comment, because I feel you all are not giving Spoony or Square Enix their fair take. FFXI and FFXIV both are designed to be slow paced MMO’s which are somewhat popular in Japan, and Square and more companies have tried to bring to the table in America. I’ll agree that you do not have to like this game, nor are you forced to like it. Everyone is welcome to their own opinion. My recommendation is, keep watching Spoony because he is very enjoyable to watch, but buy the game and make your own opinion if you insist on defending or debunking it. Everyone likes different things and that is what makes us humans.
- LinkofShadows

If anyone wants to know my opinion, I will be trying out FFXIV because I enjoyed FFXI and I will enjoy playing a fresh new game, and also will be playing GW2 because I played the old Guild Wars Games. Both brought me entertainment with their share of different types of gameplay.

Not to offend you or anything Trisha but the exact same question could the leveled at you. Why are you still here making excuses for the fans and trying to stand against a tide of rampant haters?

Why are you so butthurt spoony?

So is Guild Wars 2 an actual mmorpg?

Why so butthurt g?