Kevin Flynn didn’t start Encom; Walter Gibbs (played by Barnard Hughes, who also played the program Dumont) started Encom. There’s a scene in the original where Dillinger is arguing with Gibbs in his office and says “Encom isn’t the company you started in your garage anymore”. Flynn just took over once Dillinger was outed for being a dirty IP thief.

That’s why, in the sequel, when it’s revealed that Sam Flynn lives in “Dumont’s Garage” (as labelled on the door), it’s a super subtle nod of fanservice.

hey I love ur vlogs spoon
stop reviewin stuff and vlog
I’m serious
you are THE BEST background noise
and that’s a good thing
and stop doin crossovers with linkara his voice irritates everyone

Good afternoon, Spoony and fellow Spooners.

A question from someone who hasn’t seen the movie:

If the new operating system is just like the old one (evil corporate guys joke it’s just a new number on an old system), and if it was designed by someone who doesn’t know how operating systems are supposed to work (which implies the old system was just as bad)…what’s the fear of the new system being released for free on the Internet?

Once word gets out that the new system isn’t at all different from the old one, nobody’s going to download it if they have the old one. And had there been no pirated version of the system, bad reviews and word of mouth would hurt the sales of the new system just like pirating would.

Or is the fact that I’m not up to date on all my tech-speak unnecessarily confusing me?

My thanks in advance if anyone has an answer.

I really liked Legacy, so I guess I’ll take the case of defending the film. ^^
Writing this as I watch to not miss anything.

First of all, I do agree on the entire company-part in the beginning was stupid. Didn’t think of it while watching, but you made a great point about leaking out OS’s actually ain’t that big of a deal.

But let’s get to where I don’t agree with you.

CLU wanted Alan to come through the portal, because he knows who Alan is and how he could use Alan to get to Flynn. But since Alan felt Sam should go to the arcade first, CLU’s plan failed. That’s why he decided on killing Sam after scanning his disc, because he then knew that Sam had no value to him and that he might as well die. After all, Alan was bound to come there later, he said so in the film.

Jeff Bridges was an ace on the lightcycles at the start of the original film, also, he didn’t really freak out about being inside the computerworld either. I always felt that the reason they both were great was because they both played a lot of videogames.

The ISOs (I think that’s what they were called) were special because they were not created by a user. They were user-free programs, hence the big thing about them. Also, the reason Quorra knew Zeus is because Zeus was also an ISO that was kept alive for the deal with CLU.

Regarding the “mountains” (those was in the original as well) and stuff they said that those cycles were made specifically for the gamegrid, so they never said that they could go there, just not with those cycles.

The reason he needed the disc is because Flynns disc was the key to the portal, he made it that way so he could be the only one leaving. That’s why they needed it. They did explain this in the film.

Also, the reason he knows about the light runner (train) going to the portal is probably because he designed the grid himself. Also, the light runner was hijacked by CLU, the base is actually a flying ship.

I do however agree on CLU being stupid for not putting proper guarding on the disc.

I don’t think the chase is in the videogame, because it’s not based on the film.

Regarding CLU’s visuals. I agree on it looking laughably bad in some scenes.

I didn’t feel that the games themselves looked bad, the only thing that I thought looked bad was the fact that the discs didn’t have any trails behind them. I liked the lightcycle fight at the beginning though.

I do agree that the programs should have been more… …programm-y. The DaftPunk guys could have been MP3 Players for example.

I think that the “new opportunities” for updating the Tron concepts will be used in the sequel(s) that Disney hope to do, this one was pretty much made to establish new characters as main characters.

I HIGHLY agree on the lack of Boxleitner, hell, couldn’t they at least take of his helmet when the big (obvious) plot twist about Tron still living came up?

Oh, and don’t watch it in 3D. Both the film as well as the PotC trailer underused the 3D a lot, it was not worth it.

So, too bad you didn’t enjoy it, nothing to do about that. Personally, I’m getting the DVD once it comes out.

By the way, Ebert gave it 3/4.

…HEY! Tron was a great film as well!

Final Fantasy X background? wtf?

but I did like this movie totally gotta see it in 3D…plus I was stoned but beside the point see it in 3D get stoned and check your brain at the door

Well…you have a lot of mistakes Spoony…I like your reviews generally but…no you are wrong…
Tron Legacy has many plotholes…but not (some) those that you are pointing out…
Anyway…I liked the movie…it was not great! but it was good…

Admittedly, many of the points are valid, but at the computer he went through the command history, and CLU did know (How he knew is a different story) that Quorra was there, as he makes a point of saying the speech was not for the crowd. And I’ll agree with the consensus that Tron 2.0 did this much better eight years ago.

I didnt watch the whole review maybe up till where he talks about Sam breaking into EnCom

I’m sorry to hear that spoony didnt like the movie, i thought he really would. and i know he spent the rest of his Vlog positing his reasons which I’m sure are valid to him

Does this mean if he hates it, Brad likes it? :D

I get the distinct impression you weren’t really paying that much attention to the film, because many of the things you say made no sense were explained, often in detail.

I’ll give you the first one. The how and why behind Sam breaking into his own company could’ve been better explained. But it’s one short scene that barely has anything to do with the rest of the film, so it’s forgivable.

Meh, the board room scene was stereotypical and pretty rushed, but nothing we haven’t seen done before. And once again, it’s not even important to the story.

He picks up on the fact that he’s in the grid so quickly because his Dad TOLD HIM ABOUT THE GRID!!! He had action figures of this stuff for Christ’s sake!

As for the martial arts stuff, the kid was base jumping of buildings, it’s not unreasonable to assume he’s taken self-defense classes or does extreme sports or acrobatics, etc. Sure it’s thin movie logic, but this film earns at least that much suspension of disbelief.

Clu puts Sam in the arena to try and draw Flynn out. If he just wanted him dead, why not just kill him instead of toying with him in such a public setting?

The implication with the offroad thing is that the enemy’s light-cycles couldn’t travel that terrain, not that there was no way for them to go there, just that they couldn’t continue the chase without switching vehicles.

The big deal with the new lifeforms, I think he called them “Iso’s”, is that they evolved naturally without being programmed. Flynn went into great detail about that. A self-aware sentience evolving on it’s own within computers? Yeah, that sounds like a pretty big deal.

The reason Clu need’s Flynn’s identity disc is because it in the only way to access the portal. The portal being “open” doesn’t mean anyone can just waltz through, only that there’s a limited window during which the portal can be accessed from the inside, assuming you have the key. And since Flynn built the fucking place, naturally he’s the one with access. Once again, they explained that pretty well.

Zues is over the top, but that was clearly what they were going for, and it doesn’t feel terribly out of place in the film. Matter of taste, really.

How does Flynn know where the train goes? HE BUILT THE GODDAMN PLACE! How do you think he knows?

I’ll admit, the de-aged Clu looks pretty bad, but we’ve seen tons of bad digital de-agings in recent years, I highly doubt this if going to be remembered as standing out.

I’ll admit, the movie is not great, but it’s no worse than the first one and provides a constantly fun experience without insulting the intelligence. Certainly not deserving of the irrational bile you’re throwing at it.

I know, I was watching some trailers in the cinema as well once…
then would you believe it? A film actually came on?
hahahehhohoo

Well, I’m glad to hear you liked the soundtrack. I haven’t seen the movie, I’ll probably wait to rent it, but I have really enjoyed the soundtrack.

I agree on all counts with Spoony on this one. Poor plot, bad characters, underdeveloped setting, this movie really was horrible. I will say you did miss a lot of things that were explainded in the movie, such as the need of the identity disk.

And to point this out, the light rail was in the original Tron and the game you were thinking of is Kingdom Hearts 2 in the Tron based world.

All of the points that you brought up as the flaws in the film were the reason why I didn’t enjoy it. The trailers looked awesome, and I was really looking forward to this film. My sister (age 10) and I (20) were paired up to watch the film with only about three other people in a pretty big theater. When the film was over and we walked out with half empty bags of popcorn. My sister (this is the reason I bring up the age) simply states “that film was..boring and its..i don’t know… it just wasn’t that good. The story didn’t make any sense and the characters were stupid.” I tried to think up a defense for the film, but I came up with nothing. I agree that most of the story was confusing, and Clu could have been much better as there was NO emotion coming from that face and I was reminded of “The Polar Express” animation style all over again. Well I am looking forward to your next Vlog, hopefully its on True Grit. Another film that I am hoping captures my attention. Thanks for the rant, Spoony.

Sounds like Kingdom Hearts 2 was a better sequel to TRON than TRON: Legacy will ever be.

once again the Spoon-hammer hits the nail on the head with a big ‘ol crit! Only the people watching the movie “Ass” from “idiocracy” would like the snore fest.Personally I think outh Park did a better tron sequel.

I never had an interest in Tron and I don’t think I will now. Thank you for warning me away.

Who are these fools that say you never explain why you hate things? Get Q tips people.

Was it a great film? No. Was it a good film? Maybe. The plot was a bit thin and predictable, the characters could have been better fleshed out, and there were a few plot holes (but not the chasms you imply).

It certainly wasn’t as horrible as you’re making it out to be. The art design was fitting and well put together, Jeff Bridges did a good job as both Flynn and the voice of Clu. The story moved along and what plot holes there were didn’t get in the way of the telling.

I thought the father / son dynamic worked fairly well and the parallel between CLU and Sam added a degree of empathy to the villain. The world was no more shallow than the original Tron, which barely elaborated on the workings of the Grid. In fact I felt that in this film the universe inside the computer felt more like a real place, with a much greater sense of life than the sterile experiment of the original.

To be honest I’m pretty disappointed with this review. Normally I agree with you about films, not always but most of the time. I usually at least feel like we watched the same movie. Here though, I feel a lack of objectivity and I think you’re doing a disservice to people who would have otherwise enjoyed the film, but will now pass it up because you’ve misrepresented it.

I just don’t understand your vitriol. Movies like Transformers 2 are offensively bad because not only do they try nothing new, they don’t care if the audience is entertained. I felt that the filmmakers here were doing something a little different, adding to the original mythos and genuinely trying to entertain the audience. I’m not defending Disney as an entity, I’m just saying lumping this in with the ilk of Michael Bay films feels very unfair.

I guess that I am one of those nerds that did not like the original Tron any of the times I watched it. I did not see the utopian aspect as anything to write home about. I saw a movie with a flawed script that tried to hide it with the special effects.

I disagree with your feelings toward this movie; but eh, no harm in that. I didn’t really think about a lot of what you brought up while watching it. It makes no sense of course, and there were parts that were a little troubling but nothing I noticed until reflecting on it later. The thing is, even though it made no sense I had a lot of fun. You were right, that they could have done a lot more with the concept. If they make a sequel maybe they will explore that; this one takes place in the system Jeff Bridges built (he even says he carried Tron over from the old one). I also would have had them hop a ride on one of those things with the long arms rather than a train that just so happens to go to the portal.

I will take issue with one thing though, you said people who don’t think about movies and see them for spectacle would also like transformers for the robots punching each other. First, I didn’t like it because it was a “spectacle” in the sense of “oooh look at the pretty lights”, I liked it more in the sense of “if you suspend your disbelief, we can take you to this world inside a computer with Jeff Bridges and light cycles”. I enjoyed the fact that Sam Flynn is basically Batman, that Jeff is a hippy, that Zeus or whatever his name is happens to be David Bowie. I didn’t feel like I had time to think about Clue’s plan, so I didn’t. I enjoyed “the ride” not “the spectacle”.

Second, if Transformers was JUST giant robots punching each other, I would like it. But the characters and humor and militarism and so many other stupid things (which call attention to the fact that it makes no sense; something which both Tron movies don’t do) that Bay does just ruins it.

Basically, if the movie entertains, I don’t think about its contradictions. If the movie fails to deliver the entertainment by being stupid, it leaves itself open for attack on every angle.

Not that you will read this or care. Keep up the good work anyway Spoony!

How many vlogs have there been now?

*Spoilers*

Hey there Spoony. Although I respect your opinion, I feel like a lot of your opinion data was corrupted. Please allow this user to /rectify.

First of all, I do want to agree with you that there was a LOT of missed opportunity with this movie. My brother and I both agree that if it could have been better executed if it were a reboot rather than a sequel. There was a lot of things that they should have explored, changed, or done more with. But if I list all those too, this will be a novel. Though I will say that Tron’s roll in this movie pissed me off. You don’t name your movie after a character, and then have them be absent for 98% of the movie!

- From what I got, the reason the ISOs were so important is because Flynn DIDN’T make them. They evolved from the system itself. And, as we see later in the movie, their code creates a DNA like structure which can be written. Therefor, if you could bring people into the grid and manipulate their DNA in a similar way, you could get the same kind of healing factor that you did with Quorra.

- As Flynn said, Clu didn’t know who was coming through the gate, just that someone would. Most likely, Clu hoped that Flynn would show his hand to rescue this user, as it would most likely be someone Flynn cared about. As proven by Sam’s later actions, Clu was right. (Though, why he waited 15 years to send the page is another matter).

- I assumed that Castor/Zuse was disguising himself as an iTunes-esque software, hence the fact that he runs a club and wears almost all white. I also found him amusing, but to each his own.

- I think the fact that Clu shows no real emotion to destroying the ISOs was in fact part of his nature as a program. His job is to create a perfect system, so the destruction of the ISOs is no more fueled by emotion than, say, deleting a bit of corrupted code. His emotion comes from the betrayal he feels from Flynn for creating him to execute a function that he eventually turned his back on.

- The solar sailor (light train) was in Kingdom Hearts II, in the Tron world. And Flynn would know where it goes because he’s the Creator.

- I assumed that the reason Flynn’s disk was so important is because it acts as a key for things to go through the portal. When Clu plugged it into his flagship, it would have enabled the entire ship, crew and all, to materialize in our world. As for why the flagship was where it was, it makes sense Clu would be amassing his troops near the gate, like an army amassing near a border.

- In 3d, it’s harder to tell that the CG Clu is fake. I actually wasn’t sure for a good till near the end if it was just him with a lot of make up, though he did look a little off. But once again, with 3d glasses, everything looks a little off.

*Spoilers*

Hey there Spoony. Although I respect your opinion, I feel like a lot of your opinion data was corrupted. Please allow this user to /rectify.

First of all, I do want to agree with you that there was a LOT of missed opportunity with this movie. My brother and I both agree that if it could have been better executed if it were a reboot rather than a sequel. There was a lot of things that they should have explored, changed, or done more with. But if I list all those too, this will be a novel. Though I will say that Tron’s roll in this movie pissed me off. You don’t name your movie after a character, and then have them be absent for 98% of the movie!

- From what I got, the reason the ISOs were so important is because Flynn DIDN’T make them. They evolved from the system itself. And, as we see later in the movie, their code creates a DNA like structure which can be written. Therefor, if you could bring people into the grid and manipulate their DNA in a similar way, you could get the same kind of healing factor that you did with Quorra.

- As Flynn said, Clu didn’t know who was coming through the gate, just that someone would. Most likely, Clu hoped that Flynn would show his hand to rescue this user, as it would most likely be someone Flynn cared about. As proven by Sam’s later actions, Clu was right. (Though, why he waited 15 years to send the page is another matter).

- I assumed that Castor/Zuse was disguising himself as an iTunes-esque software, hence the fact that he runs a club and wears almost all white. I also found him amusing, but to each his own.

- I think the fact that Clu shows no real emotion to destroying the ISOs was in fact part of his nature as a program. His job is to create a perfect system, so the destruction of the ISOs is no more fueled by emotion than, say, deleting a bit of corrupted code. His emotion comes from the betrayal he feels from Flynn for creating him to execute a function that he eventually turned his back on.

- The solar sailor (light train) was in Kingdom Hearts II, in the Tron world. And Flynn would know where it goes because he’s the Creator.

- I assumed that the reason Flynn’s disk was so important is because it acts as a key for things to go through the portal. When Clu plugged it into his flagship, it would have enabled the entire ship, crew and all, to materialize in our world. As for why the flagship was where it was, it makes sense Clu would be amassing his troops near the gate, like an army amassing near a border.

- In 3d, it’s harder to tell that the CG Clu is fake. I actually wasn’t sure for a good till near the end if it was just him with a lot of make up, though he did look a little off. But once again, with 3d glasses, everything looks a little off.

Double post

The last part of your log made me think.

Some of my friends are pretty dumb, but for the sake of social activity we occasionally listen to their childish and preposterous whims, so we went to watch Megamind, for which I had pretty low expectations and… They weren’t betrayed.

I tend to immerse rather easily in movies so, while I watch them, I’m usually kind of intrigued even if they’re a little crappy, but that one… Yeah.

I don’t know about Tron since I haven’t seen it, but Megamind was… Sufficient. Like every other CG animation movie ever made in the past ten years, it’s the same baseline rinsed and repeated over and over, with no sense of creativity… There’s the nerd that nobody likes but actually has a heart of gold and then there’s The Chick that at first seems to go with prince charming but then picks the nerd in the end after he beats the kid’s show parody of the resident school bully. I actually have to concede to Despicable Me that they did it away with The Chick, for great effect. Heck, even Kung Fu Panda had its highlights on sheer virtue of not having The Chick.

But yes, Megamind was just… Content with average. Content with mediocrity. It’s as if the movie industry encourages to milk whatever goes at the moment and no investor is willing to risk a dime for anything that strays even one bit from what is popular, lest the risk that one doesn’t get as rich as possible and as fast as possible.

I know this is hardly news but… Of the movies I’ve seen in theaters in 2010, those that I actually liked and really impressed me to the point I can name them off the top of my head… I can count them on, like, the fingers of one hand.

And I’m, probably, a bit less picky than you are.

Clue was hopping that whoever came through the portal would have information matching Flynn’s disk. When Sam’s disk didn’t possess the info he needed. Sam was no longer any use to him. Kevin Flynns assumtion about using Sam to lure him into a trap was secondary. He figured that Clue would wait for them to make a run for the portal and then he would grab it.

Sorry to hear that you didn’t enjoy the movie as much as you wanted Spoony. It does suck to have high hopes for something and come out disappointed when it fails to deliver, but I liked Tron Legacy and thought it was a good entertaining movie.

Do like to offer my own take on some points of your review. For example how Sam was acting like a ninja or going all kung-fu in the arena with the ID disc and I really didn’t see that. His opponents were doing all that, especially Rinzler, but I think Sam was improvising and trying to survive. As for him knowing what to do and how to survive in the arena. His dad did build and a design the Tron game and in the intro does mention that they played it often. So he probably picked up what was going on from that.

As for CLU sending that page and some how or some way set it up so that Sam would be the one to come through. I think he was more concerned of having an open portal then about who came through. Kevin mentioned in the movie that the portal can only be opened from the outside world and can’t be opened inside the Grid. I guess CLU was banking on the fact that Kevin would take interest when the portal reopened and investigate, having Sam come through was probably a bonus for CLU. As for him needing the ID disc, it’s also the Master Key to the portal.

As for the ISOs they were programs that some how created themselves without the aid of a user, pretty much something from nothing. Every citizen in the Grid originates from some kind of computer program, the ISOs didn’t. As for what made Quorra or an ISO so special I think that you have to be creative on that one. Kevin did go on to say that discovering the ISOs as a miracle and how in the snippets of newsfeeds with Kevin it going on how the next frontier is the digital one. I think Kevin’s intent with the ISOs was that it would allow him to find a way bring people into the digital world and then allow him or other people to tinker around with their “programming”. For example when Kevin was trying to heal Quorra he pulled up her code, found the corrupted code for her missing arm, removed it, and viola her arm regrew. Imagine bringing in a cancer patient into the Tron world. Pull up their program, finding the code that was causing the cancer, remove it from that person, and then they’re cured. That’s what I think Kevin’s intent with ISOs were.

As for Kevin knowing that the Train would take them towards the portal. He did build and design everything in the Grid world. So he probably knew where the train would take him. The only thing that surprised him was CLU’s military station that was on the train’s path, but seeing that CLU was preparing and building an invasion force I guess having a military base close to the portal is logical.

The only thing I didn’t get was how CLU beat Sam, Kevin, and Quorra to the portal. Rinzler/Tron crashes his light jet into CLU’s light jet, CLU manages to take the spare light jet away from Rinzler/Tron, and flies off after them. Sam, and the gang clearly have a good head start and some how CLU manages to beat them to the portal.

Anyways that’s my opinion on your points with the whole movie. Keep up the great work and hope to see more from you Spoony.

It’s one thing to have a different opinion, but you pretty much called everyone who didn’t mind the bits of fridge logic and still had a pretty good time complete and utter morons.

You’re like this trope (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/StopHavingFunGuys) only for movie watching.

What’s with you today? The trolling is so obvious my eyes hurt: many of the plot holes you point out have explanations in the film and those have been pointed out in this very comment section, so that doesn’t speak well of your own intelligence and perception. This video should be taken down: it showcases you at your absolute lowest, and your reputation will only deteriorate the longer it stays on?

Note that I haven’t seen the movie yet, but I will if only to review it on my site. Some of the backstory is actually brought up in a comic prequel, Tron: The Betrayal. And before anyone yells at me, I fully agree that you shouldn’t need this to follow the story in the movie so it’s still a failure. However, the Grid is an original world, a sort of virtual reality instead of being the world inside the computer like the original movie. The ISOs come into creation independent of Flynn’s actions and this unnerves Clu because he feels they’re impure because they are independent and creating their own culture. Over the years Clu becomes annoyed that (as he sees it) Flynn doesn’t take them seriously and he keeps bouncing back and forth between the Grid and real world, where his wife (who dies later) is pregnant with Sam. (So Clu does know of Sam.)

Again, some of this should have been in the movie, but that’s the part that was missing. Again, I’ll see it because I need to review it, but it saddens me that it has these kind of issues.

Damn Pinnacle Chips. “@[=g3,8d]&fbb=-q]/hk%fg”

Dear spoony,
I am very understanding of your opinion and I have a great deal of respect for it, but for the first time I must disagree on a few aspects of your critique. You made a few good points about this Tron Sequel, but you failed to realize something-This odd character, Zeus, the evolution and seeming “purposelessness” of certain characters like those in the arena stands..you have to understand, at least from my perspective, that these ARE directly correlated to technology today. That freak Zeus, who I loved despite his ridiculousness, represents more of the internet and our current software then you realize as well. I am watching your review right now and you have yet to speak a single word about the music. Up until the day I saw Tron I had no idea who Daft Punk was I didn’t want to know. I was impressed with the music in this movie, and the musical creators are award winning composers.. I believe that Sam was as capable as he was in the grid was because of his father, raising him on stories. I don’t know. Like I said you made a few good points that made me go “huh”, because I never realized it, but I really did like this movie, but good Vlog and an entertaining disclosure of your opinion even if I disagree with parts of it.

Okay I have to point out one thing. They establish that without Jeff Bridges’ data disk, one can not use the portal. As far as them being able to go to Bridges’ hideout, she said that they could not travel on the terrain, but when Clu goes there, he flies, not drives. As far as the scene in the club goes, yeah I thought that was stupid, but it was nice to see Daft Punk in a Tron movie. The fey dude kind of reminded me of the radio personality in the The 5th Element. The rest of the review I can agree with however. The characters acted nothing like programs at all, which was frustrating. I have a question though, how could you discuss this movie and completely ignore what they did to Tron himself? I mean it was painfully obvious to me who he was at the start of the movie, but either way, they turned Tron into a corrupted program instead of a security program, an awesome concept that they fail to capitalize on.

Hi Noel.

Gotta say, there was a *lot* going on in that film, and I enjoyed it for what it was. The thing that intrigued me the most was Disney and were they’ve decided to head with this movie – in sequel territory. I’ll explain why.

Tron, the program that “fights for the users” was turned by Clu during the coup d’état, is a bad guy for most of the film (Rinzler). In fact, he is one of the shining lights of the film, with his “imaginative” knowledge of martial arts and prominence in many of the key scenes.

What struck me was the change he underwent: from white light decals to red (Darth Maul homage much? Red/Black, two discs, #2 bad guy, etc.). In the last scene, Tron somehow…god I don’t know why, but somehow…he regains control of himself long enough to crash both himself and Clu and temporarily stop the aerial pursuit. He is then dropped into water. When he is descending, his decals revert back to white. This is the last scene with Tron/Rinzler and it’s just such a classic setup for a sequel. The fallen hero is redeemed blah blah blah, seeya in the next movie.

Further, Sam takes with him a chip; presumably the contents of Kevin Flynn’s disc, which has information about the “Iso” (and the Grid in general). Which is another way they have setup the sequel: I’m predicting someone is going to find out about what is on that chip and use it to their own ends…cue Ed Dillinger Jr. aka Cillian Murphy, the programmer of Encom’s newest operating system. I’m calling it now. Tron 3 will be released within 3 years, with both Cillian Murphy and Garrett Hedlund as antagonist/protagonist. I bet Disney have already signed them to a two-movie deal.

Oh, Quorra will be there too, and I’m sure that Disney will try to make Quorra metamorphize from a digital lifeform to a carbon-based lifeform (through some unexplainable means, inb4 “midi-chlorians”), so that she & Sam can make pound cake and form babby.

Some other interesting nods in the film: the silver apples within the fruit bowl that Clu finds in Kevin Flynn’s Never Never Land ranch – I don’t have any references on hand, but I was almost positive that this was symbolism for forbidden knowledge/wisdom. Pity I can’t find it now -_-”

And let me just say, right now, that Tron Legacy ripped off The Matrix: Reloaded. Anyone else recall how Neo sought out the Merovingian in order to find the Key Master? Zeus *IS* the Merovingian. One that tried to channel David Bowie a little *too* hard…but that guy is totally the Merovingian. An ancient program that can “get you anywhere you need to go…for a price”. Come OOOOOOOOONN!!! That actually pissed me off, even though I only liked the first Matrix movie, personally.

K, that’s all I can recall that needs to be shared. Bye now.

My sentiments exactly, Spoony. This movie was a disappointing, illogical mess from start to finish, pretty as it may have been to look at.

Being the sucker that I am, I read the Marvel prequel comics to this movie before seeing it, and the comics do an exponentially better job of explaining what the Isos are and why Clu hates them so much. Essentially, they’re important because they’re self-generated from the system, created without Flynn’s involvement in programming them. (It’s still not clear how this “changes everything” about science, philosophy and religion, though. Isn’t it impressive enough that there are sentient computer programs, even though the programmers didn’t design them to be sentient? Seems pretty self-generated to me.)

What flaws in the Transformers review? Not being a smartass, genuinely want to know.

I thought the movie was ok, but then again I didn’t think that much of the plot I mostly just looked at the images and bright pretty colors

now don’t get me wrong I did notice a lot of plot holes/stupid things that were never explained, you found a whole lot more than me though =P
but as I said I didn’t think mind alot of the things because I didn’t let it piss me off

Went in saw it 2 days ago, In Japanese no less (Yay living in Japan!) I’ll just say that I can see your points and yeah, there’s some assuming going on. Personally I didn’t think there were as many as you pointed out but still some. I liked it. I want to see it again to be honest. I agree with Sam breaking the law and walking away from it. That was really strange. But, from what I could understand, It seemed like Flynn Sr. told Sam all about The Grid, what happened inside it in the form of interesting stories, and Sam believed him. Maybe that’s what gave him his edge in the games tying into is obviously good physique. I always thought Clu knew who Sam was for one because Clu instantly recognized him when he arrived. I also think the light cycle fighting wasn’t an attempt to kill Sam. It was to get Flynn’s attention and expose himself. I mean wasn’t that established later on? I don’t suppose it really mattered who went though either considering everyone and their mom outside the grid could see the portal open. That would get Flynn’s attention regardless who came. >.< sorry I'll stop nitpicking, I'm not very good at it.
I liked it for what it was. Something beyond normal that could suck you in. The atmosphere, the characters, (Zeus especially!), The music, (Daft Punk hellz yeah!) It felt like a fun little ride to take every once and a while. Were there inconsistencies? Sure. But I was honestly able to suspend my disbelief long and hard enough to REALLY enjoy it. I had watched the 1982 Tron just before it for the first time. Yeah there were a lot of WTF IS GOING ON!? moments when watching that, but it was still fun. Legacy was just as fun in the same way. Maybe that's why both tanked at the box office but a lot of people still like them.
A good critic knows that smart people don't need a critic to decide for themselves if something is good or bad. I learned that when I tried to emulate you guys at TGWTG with my Youtube show Gaijin Review. (Even sent Otherguy my show for assessment.) I'll just say that I disagree with you this time, and I think that's ok. I hope you do too. I'm not gonna go off the deep end like some people and say you don't like ANYTHING. You've proven you do. Also there have been limitless occasions when you have reminded me of home in the States, and kept me up to date. But, I just gotta disagree with you this time. No harm, no foul, hope you don't take negative criticism of your …well negative criticism harshly.

I respect your opinion as a film buff, Spoony, but I do think you’re over-snarking this one. It wasn’t a breakthrough film by any stretch of the imagination, but really, what should anyone expect from a sequel to an obscure, goofy ’80′s popcorn flick? I went into this film expecting light cycles and Daft Punk, and that’s exactly what I got, along with some cool bonuses (Obi Wan Lebowski, sexy Olivia Wilde, damn good 3D effects). I also like how many aspects of the world, both on The Grid and in the real world, are left open ended. It’s obvious that Disney is hoping to establish a franchise with this film, and I hope that they succeed.

While you make some excellent points, you also overlook some things and completely ignore others. I hope that someday you give this film a second chance.

I had to log in to write my feelings about TRON Legacy.

Unlike Spoony (from the sound of it), I got a chance to see this in IMAX 3D and it was quite a visual and audio experience to see this movie in that form. The best compliments I can give for this movie is that the visuals are astounding to look at from the out of site costumes to the tech-noir look to The Grid. Plus, it helps to have one kickass score from the very talented Daft Punk. From those aspects, this film was a sight to behold and I wouldn’t be surprised if this film was recognized by the Oscars on a technical standpoint.

It’s unfortunate that the story really wasn’t anything remarkable or memorable at the end of the day. I blame all of the problems with the story, pacing, and performances solely on what had to be a pretty mediocre script/screenplay. It’s like they had a really cool idea going with the first half of the film only to have that idea really fall apart by the second half of the story. To put it best, it was an HD version of the same movie that was released back in the mid 80′s except it turns out as a very cool yet hollow experience. TRON Legacy is nothing more than a brainless popcorn flick/roller-coaster ride that you enjoy for 2 hours and nothing more. It’s your choice if you want to experience a fun-filled adventure film like this one again.

P.S. – I think Jeff Bridges came in high as a kite in his bathrobe to act for everyday of the shoot for this flick.

Dude, you were kind of doing well until the last two lines…there you pretty much loaded your credibility into a cannon and shot it into the sun by being a bit of a douche. All people will take from it now is “I disagree with you, so FUCK YOU!!!”
That’s poor. And if one disagreement means you’re no longer a fan, I question how much of a fan you actually are…just watch the stuff you feel he does well and ignore the rest….no need to throw your toys out the pram.

Unsure if you will reply to me or not. Though, they did make a tank (you saw the tank really) reference when Sam was being collected for being seen as a unmarked program.

I’m sorta going to go that Sam did this mainly for the shits and giggles, though that wouldn’t have made half of what he went through necessary at all. As you stated, and the movie said that he mainly owns the software company. Jumping off the building was stupid….It would have been better if he pulls the same speeding crap I guess to established he is good with a bike, and smugly walk in the building and hack the servers and release the source code (would have made the board room sense more sense) days in advance before the annual conference takes place.

Also Clu did not know of Sam, his goal as his father said was to get somebody to open the portal. Sam was just a bonus to him. Also Sam did struggle a bit when he was attacked, or I should say confused as what was going on.

They never did explain what happened to Tron and the dual disk program Tron became. We found Tron plummeting to the ground rebooting and changed to blue during the jet-fighter scene. Also in a flashback Tron was derezzed by Clu, I’m assuming Tron was on backup from his disk.

The movie sorta was to me a Daft Punk music video…..which is not what I came to see….

I’d also like to know why you gave Star Trek a pass while citing much bigger plot holes and contrivances in that film, which undermined the story almost entirely. Don’t get me wrong, I liked Star Trek, but compared to that film Tron is almost airtight, and yet you’re blasting it on its story logic?

I’m in the film industry myself, I live and breathe this stuff, and I know incompetent writing when I see it. This story might have been nothing special, it might have been mediocre, but it’s not incompetent, it was properly set up and executed. It’s disheartening to see a reviewer as normally cogent and incisive as you put so little effort into trying to follow the plot, and in fact you make your own rather sad point – if people like you aren’t willing to pay attention to a story, then why should it make any sense?

I don’t disagree with Spoony’s review, really. I enjoyed the movie, but I can understand when people say it sucked.

However, a few minor detail issues are in his review. In the scene where Sam gets sucked into the Grid, he doesn’t just stumble upon the laser activation program. It was the one command in the directory in the UNIX screen that stuck out, so he typed it in. It was actually on the screen.

Also, while I can agree that the whole instantly “I can kill with frisbees!” thing is stupid, it was kind of the case in the first Tron movie, too. And Kevin Flynn wasn’t even a slacker extreme sports junkie.

I liked the movie for the Starship Troopers effect. It was stupid. The acting sucked (besides Jeff and Bruce, of course), but it was stupidly entertaining. It was fun. Plus, it looked amazing and Daft Punk’s soundtrack was pretty awesome.

Although Daft Punk’s cameo overstayed its welcome. At first it was just a glance at them in the DJ booth so it was, “Hey, it’s Daft Punk!” Then it went back to them when they changed the music and it was, “Okay, this is… kind of dragging it out.” Then when the club was freaking emptying out and the camera just lingered on the two staring at each other, it was, “Shit, why are we still here?”

Well, see here. Clu didn’t need Sam specifically, he just needed someone to come through the portal so the rest of the army can go in. Also, Clu and the rest of the Grid only realized Sam was a Used after he bled. Also, Clu didn’t need Sam at all. I think the movie deserves a rewatch because the overall spectacle kinda effects the memory a bit.

Ugh. I read the comments while I was loading the video, and was expecting people to just be butthurt. I actually genuinely enjoyed Tron Legacy, and was interested to hear Spoony’s criticism… and I was sorely disappointed. A lot of the stuff he complains about was addressed – the nature of the ISOs, the numerous references to Tron that he completely missed (The door at the start, the “light train”, etc). It does seem like he was somewhat blinded by rage. Not even gonna bother elaborating since I doubt it really matters.

I didn’t react to Tron:Legacy as bad as Spoony did but he does makes some valid criticisms. Too many of the plot threads in the film seem to be there to just setup things in a possible sequel – Dillinger, ISOs/Quorra & even Tron himself. Despite the fact that much of the story is delivered by characters explaining things to each other there are still things left frustratingly vague or just poorly written – what exactly was CLU’s plan? To conquer other computer systems outside the Grid or actually enter the physical world? if the Grid is supposed to be a ‘closed’ system and CLU needed Flynn’s disc to open the portal how was he able to send the pager signal? Why make such a big deal about Quorra’s backstory and her being the ‘last of her kind’ if it has no impact on the story? it would have made sense if CLU was actually hunting her but he was more interested in getting his hands on Flynn’s disc.

Tron’s final appearance was very frustrating for me. When Flynn recognised him I figured we’d get a showdown between the two characters and Flynn would either reprogram Tron to undo CLU’s ‘infection’ or just appeal to him to remember who he truly was. Instead for no apparent reason Tron switches sides and then takes a dive into the ocean.

It’s all in the pitch spoonster, i mean where is my controller for these new movies anyways?

I’m spade and i’m a Diplodocus

Well, I disagree that the original “Tron” wasn’t a good movie. I think it was terrific and I have more than a “soft spot” for it. That being said I was never excited about “Tron: Legacy”. It just seemed like a way to prey on the fond memories of people that enjoyed the first one.

I can criticise some of your points, but I do agree some of your points are valid.

- Clu needed Sam to go to the Grid, both to open the portal to the real world AND to bring Kevin Flynn closer to Clu to get his identity disc.
- Clu and his army couldn’t go through the portal because (as Kevin explained) no program is capable of materialising into the real world, unless they were coded right. Kevin’s Identity Disc was special enough to do this, so if Clu had it he could go to the real world.
- While it is a big plothole how Clu and his associates were able to get to Kevin’s house when it was explained their vehicles weren’t built for the terrain surrounding it, I believe that since Kevin made Clu to be perfect and to be like him, it could think like him. Clu could’ve figured out their vehicles wouldn’t work so he modified them himself to get them to work.
Quorra said she knew Zues because he helped her get away from Clu’s men long ago, last time I remember.
-There were more than two references to the original Tron! I can name one more if you want, when Sam breaks into Encom, he gains access through an oversized door, the same way Kevin did in Tron, the same kind of door to the one in Tron, and Sam said “That’s one big door.”, Kevin said the exact same line in the original Tron!
- I believe Sam quickly gets the hang of this stuff for the same reason Kevin did in the original, they play alot of video games. They use there experiance with video games to their advantages through the games, and I call that valid since they mention that Kevin and Sam played a lot of video games together.
- You are way too harsh against Michael Sheen as Zeus, I do agree I’m not sure what exactly he is doing there but I thought his acting was over-the-top and hilarious. At least you can understand why his hair is bleached like that, unlike the stupid priest.
- You really missed the explanation about Flynn’s disc, and it’s annoying.
- One, that thing you don’t know what was meant to be the huge program carrier that was in the original Tron. Flynn knows it can lead everyone to the portal because HE DESIGNED THE GRID, HE WOULD KNOW.
- The carrier went to Clu’s army base because, unbeknownst to Kevin, it was meant to go there. There is also the possibility that it was redirected because Tron found out where the Flynns and Quorra went.
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The thing about the food, Clu trying to kill Sam early on, the poor security on the disc, CGI Clu which shows computer graphics hasn’t advanced since Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within, are great points and I do agree that while the original Tron gave a really true feel of being in a computer down to how the software act, Tron Legacy’s Grid just looks like a digital world filled with humans that disintergrate into bits (although I believe the more human like programs is because of the advancing technologies, and that since they can think of a large variety of things, they are more advaced then the programs 20 years before). But from listening to you talk for an hour against this film, I’m getting the idea that you haven’t seen this film in a while, since some of the explanations I find common sense, are almost oblivious to you.

I think it’s incredibly insulting to think that you need to be dumb in order to appreciate this movie. You liked Scott Pilgrim vs the World, and while I love that movie too, it had more odd and stupid moments compared to Tron: Legacy. I can’t believe I had to write over 500 words to criticise your review.

Adressing some of your points :)

#1 The OS pirating thing: They keept talking about how it was “the most secure OS evarrr!” so I assumed it was the source code he uploaded and that’s why they were upset.

#2 Jumped in to the grid crazy fast with the laser: You’ll have to remember that Flynn did this every night for several years before getting stuck in the grid so it makes sense that he would have shorted commands for it.

#3 Sam being kung-fu and all knowing: Well his father told him everything about the grid.. also he had Matrix style training.

#4 The phone page: I think any user would’ve been good, even if it was Boxleitner, Flynn would’ve known about it and try to save him / get him back to the real world.. ie. the portal opens and he makes a run for it or something.

#5 Clu trying to kill Sam: Trigger Jeff Bridges RAAAAAAAGGEEEE and make him do something stupid.

#6 “WHAT THE FUCK ARE THEY!?” I dunno either lol

#7 It was only the light cycles that couldn’t travel outside the grid I think.

#8 If Clu had Jeff’s disc he can travel through the portal to the real world and he “figured out how to do it” ie take his troops with him.

#9 how does Jeff know where the train goes? well he built the city, also he’s a jedi.

#10 i think CG jeff worked because he’s digital, it’s not great but it worked within the context.. well, except for the times when he’s in the real world (though it was only for 5 minutes or something)

#11 agree about the software personifications, universe thing

The people in the crowds were totally part of a computer, they were fans.

I actually was going into this movie with a REALLY bad view. Though I really liked the original Tron, I have a soft spot for it. Because it’s bad. lol

The pacing was horrible, it was incredibly boring to watch even with the effects, the music wasn’t helping it, it made it feel outerspacy but it was a kind of music that I would fall asleep too. But the idea, is REALLY cool. Still, I say I LOVE it.

Tron Legacy, isn’t as bad as you say, I called bullshit on a couple things but the things that you didn’t like were either not really in the movie (or that I didn’t notice it) or that you had to play the game or prequel to really understand.
What I didn’t like the most though was that this movie basically, Hollywood saw the effects potential that Tron could do. But they didn’t understand the idea, so they hired some guy who saw Tron and was like “hey that looks cool but could be more flashy”, when they needed to higher someone with computer knowledge.

Thing is that’s what made the 1st Tron not that good either, that someone with computer knowledge didn’t know how to make a movie that brought us into it. The guy who wrote Tron Legacy knows how to make a movie that we just go and watch, even if it’s not that good.

I’m not saying you need to higher someone like Michael Bay and combine him with Bill Gates but you need to find someone who can tell a good story and understand the modern digital society today.

Eitherway, I had a lot of fun watching Tron Legacy, but only cause I was in the 2nd Row watching it in 3D. I knew I wouldn’t like it in 2D. So I had to make it blow my mind.

I really agree, especially near the end. They were definitely trying to modernize Tron, and failed. The original images were updated, but the underlying concept is entirely forgotten. Also, I looked and it doesn’t seem like anyone mentioned this; stuff on tracks of light, I think they took that from Portal, along with half the other images.

I’m going to correct you on this only because I think it’s kinda funny and I could possibly be wrong on this so I’m only going to tell you what I know. You said it might be cool if there were anthropomorphic personifications in our computers. anthropomorphic means animals with human like qualities. So that would be the Sly Copper characters, Sonic the Hedgehog characters, so on. just thought it was funny

I must disagree with you here Spoony, but mainly because you’re nitpicking a lot. That’s fine. That’s what you do and that’s why we love ya.

1) Sam didn’t type random commands to launch the laser. He used Flynn’s bash history and started typing the commands verbatim. Seriously, that whole scene had the most logical set of terminal commands I’ve ever seen in a movie. You can’t pick on that one. Heck, they even got the OS age accurately(using SunOS, which was around during Flynn’s time).

2) Sam knew about the lightcycle walls because of the stories Flynn told him as a kid(the into scene). That’s also why he knew about the Grid, the Recognizers, Tron and CLU.

3) Not sure why CLU tried to kill Sam, maybe because he was “imperfect” or something. In any case, CLU wanted Flynn, not Sam. That’s why he passed on Sam when Flynn called to him.

Seriously, most of the points you brought up were explained in the movie. But that’s irrelevant to the following: the movie was fun. It basically was if Star Wars was made today. Simple and loose plot, some humorous dialog in between some corny lines. And some AMAZING visuals and audio.

I had a ball. Tron was never and can never be an art film. It’s a classic action adventure movie with neon lights everywhere.

Besides, it had a David Bowie stand-in. That makes it awesome.

Lighten up every once and a while and enjoy the movie :P Sometimes you need not know why a flow looks like it does, so long as it’s purdy :)

Then again, these reviews are entertaining either way and to each their own.

definitely one of the harsher reviews I’ve seen for it. I’m like Spoony in that if the plot tanks then the whole experience falls apart for me. I’m not above a simple or straightforward story, but if you can’t do narrative basics like character and structure right then you really don’t have any business in film. This isn’t like videogames where narrative is a secondary function, a film MUST convey a proper story.

This was certainly a long one. I agree with some of it, like plot related stuff, they could have answered more questions, but on the surface it’s not bad. But then again, I’ve seen worse. Anyways, one of my biggest beefs with the movie was TRON or LACK THERE OF! How can they even put his name in there when he was in the movie about 5 minutes and then mysterious man the rest of his screen time. I really had hoped they would have had him in there longer. FIGHT FOR THE USERS! Blarg. And the part near the end, did the set that up for more? Cause that is a big RED DANGLING THREAD on a black shirt. Can’t miss it. Heh. OH! The other thing I wanted to talk about was Jeff Bridges Younger CG dude. I toally agree with you about them blinding themselves to it, but I think they also didn’t take something else into account. Now I just wanted the original TRON last Weds and if you put young and old Jeff Bridges next to one another, you may notice that due to his aging he got what I’d like to call FACE WIDENING, I’ve seen this happen to some other actors but right now all I have his him and David Borenaz, you can’t use older Jeff Bridges to make younger without correcting that, it just makes it look all the more awkward. I wonder how much that could have fixed if they had taken that into account. Also, way digging on the corrupted face ideas you brought up and well the multi-core processing. Why aren’t you writing this down to send to people? Maybe someday a better plot movie will be made. Heh heh.

Spoony, I’ve been a huge fan of yours for a while now. I adore your reviews of movies, games, and especially wrestling. But I gotta say, when you get into this ranting mode, I cease to enjoy the review. Even if I agree with you, it stops being funny and just becomes vicious. It’s not entertaining.

As for this particular review, I hate to repeat what’s already been said, but I really don’t get a lot of the complaints that you had. 90% of the things you complained about not being explained were actually explained very clearly. I won’t bother explaining all of them because most of them have been explained already by other comments. However, I will address the issue of the ISOs because I haven’t seen anyone else explain them. Jeff Bridges explains in that flashback that they were algorithms that came into existence on their own. That’s why they were a big deal; nobody created them. They were programs that were born out of pure chance and could think for themselves. They were the miracle that Kevin Flynn was looking for, they were what bridged the gap between humans and programs. That’s also why CLU viewed them as a threat. Since they were programs that were technically never supposed to exist, he believed that they must have been an imperfection that had to be removed.

Now, I will admit that this was not explained as clearly as other aspects of the plot. But I went into this movie knowing just as much you did Spoony. If I could figure this stuff out, then you sure as hell should have been able to. I guess what I really don’t understand is why you would focus on the plot of this movie. You claim to be a fan of the original. Do you recall that movie having a stellar plot? Of course not! It barely even had a plot! I love the original, but I’m still willing to admit that because it was just a fun movie. The simplistic plot didn’t matter. If you can enjoy the original, then there’s no reason why you shouldn’t have enjoyed this one. That’s my opinion.

CLU is actually a reference to the first movie :P It’s the name of the program Flynn writes to find the data he needs from the MCP (it’s practically a throwaway scene in the first few minutes, but still helps introduce us to the movie).

CLU is actually a reference to the first movie :P It’s the name of the program Flynn writes to find the data he needs from the MCP (it’s practically a throwaway scene in the first few minutes, but still helps introduce us to the movie).

CLU is actually a reference to the first movie :P It’s the name of the program Flynn writes to find the data he needs from the MCP (it’s practically a throwaway scene in the first few minutes, but still helps introduce us to the movie).

Thank you.
God, fucking thank you Spoony.

Disney doesn’t know how to do any of the things you listed at the end.

wow…classy.

Flynn recognized the solar sail simulation that took him to the portal in the first film. That’s why he thought he knew where the transport in Legacy was going – it even had the same four-leaf clover sail design. The rectifier-barracks-place that CLU was assembling his forces at was newly built – that’s why Flynn didn’t recognize it and said it shouldn’t be there.

I don’t think Sam necessarily needed to be alive for CLU to use him, but I don’t think he was really trying to kill him – he was putting Sam in mortal danger to draw out Flynn. And it worked, because Quorra showed up to intervene, when ended up leading CLU right to them. As for the bad guys not being able to follow them off the grid, Quorra was only talking about the lightcycles. I’m guessing CLU took a tank or one of those hovering transports.

And yeah, megalomaniacs never hire enough guards. I think it’s a hubris thing.

This sure was entertaining. I like these reviews where Spoony takes his raging to a whole new level. I almost got FF8-level vibes at some points.

Did anyone play Tron 2.0, the PC-game? I started it a few years ago and never finished it (HDD broke down), but this review made me want to try it again.

Okay… sounds like Tron 2.0 made for a vastly superior sequel. And the story in that game felt like it was only about 75% complete.

I saw both this one and the new one for the first time yesterday.

honestly I thought the first one was a completely unfinished movie, nothing is explained, Jeff bridges character doesn’t ask questions about anything, and he basically just kind of rolls with everything. I’m just kind of left wondering how this became a cult phenomenon.

I thought the new one was alright, nothing special, but not amazing.

Side note: those monitors/wallpaper are so fucking sick!

there a bunch of games where you have a train that fly on a beam of light. here are some you might have been thinking of.
Kingdom hearts 2
Halo 2 – its more like a giant platform but has a similar effect
portal also has platforms that move on beams of light
I’m pretty sure one of the Star wars games has this too, can’t remember which one.

I’m sure there are other games out there too.

btw I love the Final Fantasy X desktop wallpaper you have

after i get my Tron 2.0 game comment out now i want to say wtf are you talking about Spoony. Ok i under stand what you saying but just say that Clue was hoping that Jeff would save his son from the games. now when they got away she said that the light cycles cant go on the ground. they still can take a plain or any other thing to get where Jeff is but they didn’t then cuz clue wants to find him. i mean there are many things your getting pissed about but they have a reason behind them. i agree the CGI is really bad but i didn’t care about that to much. to me this was as good as the first movie and thats good enough to me.

Spoony the one part you get all upset about, you didn’t catch it correctly. When Quorra saves Sam and they blast out of the arena, Sam asks “Why aren’t they following us?” Quorra tells him “Their light cycles aren’t equipped to handle the terrain, they would malfunction” Even when the both of them jump out, on Quorra’s vehicle you see the tires transform into what looks like buggy tires.It didn’t mean they could never go there. It was only because the light cycles couldn’t handle the terrain.

As much as you’ve dissed it, it really makes me want to see this movie even more for either figure out the stuff they didn’t explain or just come up with my own shit for it.

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I think the game in which you protect the tram that rides on the light beam is actually the Tron world in Kingdom Hearts 2. Great vid as always Spoony!

I hated this film and I had someone arguing with me over it.

Now i am not someone who grasps things right away and i am in no way saying i am smarter than anyone else who agrees or disagrees with you, i just wanted to let you know how i interpreted the grid. i saw it as a world that personified the 80′s computer systems and was then cut off from the rest of the world because there was never an established link to the internet which would imply that their world evolved over time, which they said hours were mere minutes, into their own separate system. some programs were deemed no longer necessary because of the quest for perfection led by Clu, and therefore made it more plausible for programs to deteriorate, Zues, or become useless, homeless program. Again this is my interpretation and im not saying you didint grasp the concept or anything like that. you dont really have to agree with me, i just wanted to put how i saw the grid.

You compare Tron to Inception : a movie done by a great director, with good actors , a large budget , good screenwriters and good writing (a movie deemed impossible to film by many mind)

I compare Tron to Transformer 2: a movie with a few good actors and many terrible ones, a large budget, average screenwriters and bad writing

Tron is basically a decent blockbuster movie and I (and Roger Ebert, arguably someone that knows something about movies) see nothing wrong with that

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Hey, wanna know how to make a good TRON sequel?

Watch the first TRON, AND THEN MAKE A MOVIE EXACTLY LIKE IT.

The first TRON was a flashy story-light romp and we loved it. Just be glad they didn’t rape it.

BLASPHEMY!!!! is what the new tron is….plain and simple xD

20 minutes in and I already get the feeling you slept through the movie. There are so many things wrong with what your saying about things that I don’t even know where to begin. How does CLU know the page was going to get Sam? He didn’t, he sent it out to get a new “pawn” in the game against Kevin as is explained in the movie, and I believe it’s even mentioned that CLU just got lucky that Sam was the one that came through. Secondly the reason CLU would even know about sam is cause CLU is a direct copy of Kevin at a point AFTER Sam was born, down to memories. How did Sam know to activate the lazer? He didn’t. He was basically looking up command history/file history and tried one of the last things run/accessed. Given a little leeway for the idea that it’s probably being run on the encom operating system or something, a little leeway into what kind of history is accessible isn’t too much to expect. Please, go get another ticket, maybe see it in 3d this time and actually pay attention to the storyline. It’s a good movie.

I have to say, I agree with pretty much everything that Runadumb had to say. Though I have a few things to add. Firstly, on the hole thing about it not making seance that Sam would know about the grid. It is established early on that Sam knows about the grid. There are the extremely popular games, the toys in his room and the fact that the story of the grid seemed to be his favourite bedtime story when he was a kid.

In the light cycle battle it makes seance for him to know about the cycles and there trails because he remembers the stories his dad told him as a kid.

Also, Clu probably didn’t know who was going to come through he just knew that it would be someone Flynn care about. The reason he put him in a light cycle battle is because it is way easer to escape from a light cycle battle than from a disc match. They would have needed some kind of air craft to bust him out of a disc match. Also, he is probably banking on the assumption that, since the cycle battle is being advertised like the super bole Flynn and his people will know about it and try to bust there friend out. That’s the thing, clu is assuming that Flynn will find them.

Bruce Boxleitner could do a light cycle battle, riding a bike is not that same as a kung-fu fight. Also, about the disc fight, firstly Sam is shown to be an athletic type guy but at the same time he only bearly survives the battle, he’s falling all over him self the through half the fight.

Why dose he need the identity disc? Well maybe he made it that way so programs couldn’t get out of the grid, or maybe it’s because his program doesn’t have the required information to exist outside of the grid. This about it, nun of the programs actually have bodies so maybe he needs the data to made living bodies to exist in.

About Clu being a clone, in the world of Tron a program looks like the person who programmed them, at the time they were programed. That’s why Tron looks like Allen and Yori looks like Lora.

How dose Quara know Zeus? Because there was this hole war going on in the grid after Clu’s take over. A war that Flynn clearly lost and Zeus was on his side , presumably as some kind of spy, back in the day. Zeus said at the end of the fight at his bar that “he trusted in the users once before”.

The guy who played Zuse is also the Lycan king in Underworld 1 and Underworld: Rise of the Lycans. He also played Frost in Frost/Nixon he’s been in heaps of stuff.

About the “base” that the train goes to. It’s like the flying battleship thing from the first movie. So is it so inconceivable that they could move it to the track. Also, in the original movie they hijack a train to go to the portal/master control program as well.

About the CG Jeff Bridges, this is why people are so impressed by Avatar, I mean other than the story. Making ANYTHING organic look real is one of the hardest things to do in computer animation. I remember you saying that 2012 had better CG than Avatar, that is just showing your ignorance, because architecture is the easiest thing to make look right in 3D, the trees and such in 2012 looked good because they were rendered at a distance where all the inaccuracy were hidden in the bluer of motion.

The new life form thing is kind of like an ultra simplified version of the origin of life. That idea being that when the conditions are right life will emerge, just the same as other chemical proses will happen naturally under the right circumstances.

I have to agree with you on the point of modernizing the concept of “the Grid”, that sounds pretty cool. I personally would have made the virtual version of Flynn’s Arcade dune in the old school Tron style, as if that part of the world was some remnant of the old system left in a backup hard drive somewhere.

I thought this movie was entertaining. It wasn’t awesome, it wasn’t horrible it was fearly middle of the road but I enjoyed it. I do wish that we had gotten into Quaras character a bit more, and as I said it would have been cool to see more of programs doing there thing but I don’t think the move has as many problems as you seem to think it dose.

So are you going to see Gulivers Travers with Jack Black? Anyway, love your work, have a good one man.

oh god Yogi bear. Those eyes on the Cg bears will haunt me with their lifelessness.
Yeah I saw Micheal Bay and said “….Oh…. ” .

How anyone can say they liked the original Tron, as shallow and shlocky as it was with paper thin, plot hole filled story peeled right out of any old fantasy or sci fi story book, then turn around and say that this movie somehow besmirched the good name of the original by being a shallow, shlocky movie with paper thin, plot hole filled story is pretty funny. I would bet money that every such comment is made by someone who watched the original as a kid too.

Not to piss all over Spoony as Nostalgia Goggles effect us all. I used to have fond memories of Zelda one but played it recently only to rediscover what an incredibly obtuse, confusing, ill translated mess it is compared to more modern games. I think a similarly objective look will reveal that the original Tron wasn’t the Citizen Kane that everyone seems to remember it to be from their youth.

I liked the movie mostly because of it’s simple moral. It’s the imperfections in life that make life worth living. the movie Completely revolved around that concept. You are a damn good critic but i swear Spoony sometimes you can really nit pick things to death.you said you wanted me to give my opinion, so here it is. I guess you should be reminded of the fact that the first tron movie was written by people who probably knew very little about computers. so I think it would only stand to reason that the new movie would be made with the same ideas in mind.

Special effects dont do it for me. The special effects are only a tool for telling a good story, which I think this Movie succeeded in doing. And the special effects were (with a few exceptions) flawless. I also think the movie was trying to get you to use your imagination to fill in the gaps that were missing from the story. For instance, Early on in the Film we see Sam Flynn Dodge a cop on his Ducatti. This establishes that he is both a resourceful person, and very rebellious. Sam Flynn has a lot of money to play around with, and on that note I think an Heir to a fortune 500 company will have a hell of a lot of free time. especially when he neither cares about his dads company anymore due to his abandonment issues that i can assure you he likely has.

and it allows him to have a lot of free time to explore his rebellious drives, which we already know one of them must have been playing video games, and playing on computers. And like his old man, Sam succeeds in everything he sets his mind out to do. We also established in the original film what a user was capable of doing in the grid. In the regular world a user is a computer operator. But in the grid the user is a god. and because of how users enter the grid we can imagine that the programs dont get to see a user very often. if anything Sam took to it because the world was probably like many of his video games. Sam got in there and his skills allowed him to take to the grid like a fish to water.

This film was good. And I saw it against your advice merely because your problems with the movie were not nearly a good enough reason to keep me from seeing it. I watched it with my dad, and we both loved it. The problems you have with the film are…easily overlooked. and to be honest with you the fake Jeff bridges I thought was a marvelous technological achivement. he was botched yes, but I have not seen a simulated person done better yet. our minds see thousand of things in a persons face when we look at it. when we know something isn’t real, (like a young jeff bridges for example) we immediately try to look for as many flaws as possible. and i saw them. His face looked…rigid. lifeless. they goofed a bit…so what? have you seen a perfect job yet? and if so, what move has done it? point me to it…

That is all i have to say about your opinion of this movie, And that I eagerly await your next review. You have a happy new year Spoony.

Mr. Spoon, I must agree with some of what you said, and dis agree, mainly with the fact that this movie was good, well at least I thought so.

Oh and Thor is going to BLOW ASS!

Okay, you were way to hard on this movie. Just because they took it in a new creative direction by default. Many of you’re criticisms are valid, but the vast majority of them are not. Was it great, no. It’s still a solid movie though. I also think the attacks on people for simply enjoying a movie is a pretty low blow, and it’s really making me question you’re integrity as a reviewer. Before, I had simply assumed you were joking when attacking fans of, say, FFVIII. Now, I’m not so sure. Incidentally, I went and picked up a copy of the first Tron after watching and liking this one, and I have to say, that while mildly entertaining, I don’t think I’ve seen a weaker story in any supposedly classic movie since 2001: A Space Odyssey. I don’t just disagree Spoony, your opinion is wrong on a technical basis. I’m sorry, but differences in desired creative direction, supplanted by just flat out not paying attention to what you’re watching does not a bad movie make.

Looked up anthropomorphic and turns out I was wrong, oh well.

I like your videos, but I disagree with you. Watch it again. It sounds like you’re missing the whole movie.

On the Sam and CLU issue that was one of the few things that actually made sense. Both Sam and Flynn were Sam was Flynn’s biological son while CLU was the son of his intellect. Its a spin on the classic cain vs. able shtick, however, they did nothing to support that subplot and so it just hangs there like a withered and festering limb.

Zeus is clearly part of iTunes that shuffles your songs. Why else would his club be all sleek and white?

Also because I forgot to mention this, CLU goes deeper and deeper into the uncanny valley as the movie progresses. This is mainly, I thought at the time, to make him look more and more inhuman and more like a robot as it goes on, something which would have been WAAAAY better if they’d put Jeff Bridges into makeup in the first scene to make him look younger or as you suggested gone properly overboard with it, the creeping grid lines are a good thought. Also it’s impossible with current tech to get us to the other side of the uncanny valley, trust me I’ve had at least 5 lectures on that point and a couple guys in my class are writing papers on it.

I know I’m spamming the shit out of your page right now but I so wish I could sit down and properly discuss this with you on a professional level.

Have to say you missed some glitches Spoony.
I will put some here that are seriously so major i can’t figure why they keep rolling the film after that.
One thing when they drive that buggy thing and Corra says like “Theyre bikes can’t ride on this ground” then god how can he use his fathers bike all the way back to the city. And it seems he could even use an express highway all the way. WTF!!!!

Second in the battle with the lightcycle he obtains a second lightcycle that he keeps. Now why if there is away to get to the city from his fathers house. why god why is he stealing his fathers bike that could be traced, and not using the bike he obtained earier. And actually he don’t use that bike ever, where is it does the bike go with him back to the real world. MY conclussion for this is evrything is BROKEN. This movie is Broken

I ended up seeing finally seeing it this weekend. It was…ok. Weak story, awesome visuals, great soundtrack, and a digital Jeff that wasn’t quite there. Although, in the scene where they enter’s Flynn home, Clu looked damn near perfect. I don’t know if was the lighting, or if it was the last scene they worked on, and finally figured out how to make it look right, but Clu looked fantastic. If only he had looked that good the whole time, or at least in real 1989…

A lot of the points you brought up are either explained in the movie and I think you just forgot or didn’t catch. Some points, while not explained, one can make educated guesses at. Some of the larger points you brought up, yeah. I get the feeling 15-30 minutes of development was cut out because it was already 2 hours long. And in an action flick, those are the minutes that always get cut. :(

I did end up watching the original Tron yesterday. First time in I don’t know how many years. And it was actually a lot better and more quickly paced than I remembered it being. In fact, watching Legacy made me appreciate the original more because there were a lot of things in Legacy that were done in the original, but I had forgotten (like Flynn being able to interface by touch alone). It still wasn’t a great movie, but it was ok, in spite of some iffy acting and dialog, especially at the start.

Clu was an ISO, thus he was not programmed for any purpose (thought it was explained in the movie, but was for sure mentioned in the game). I enjoyed the movie in general, but it did have some plot holes (though not as much as Noah thinks).

I love how Sam breaks into HIS OWN GODDAMN COMPANY THAT HE OWNS to put the shit on the internet instead of taking charge of the company and doing it legally, in fact, he finally comes to his senses in the end and says I’m gonna take back ENCOM, and it brings up the question “Why didn’t you do that at the beginning?”

Personally I thought this movie had all the elements of a good movie, likable main characters, an interesting story, an intimidating bad guy, and yet I hated it. I think it’s just I didn’t perceive any real threat because I think our military could beat those guys easily. Seriously, I think they just missed. I don’t think it’s a horrible movie, I can even see why people would think it was good, but I didn’t like it.

i like this movie

Okay, so basically I’m watching this review of yours piece by piece and I’ll gradually reply to it. I personally enjoyed the movie and was able to follow it through and through, (mind you I saw it 6 times ’cause there were some aspects I needed to go back and see), but I digress. Okay the first part: I’m sure someone already said this but Cillian Murphy played Edward Dillinger. He’s basically the chief programmer for Encom, and thus programed Encom OS 12 to be the most secure operating system in the world to date, so it’s not that they’re surprised it was pirated in and of itself so much as they’re surprised that this particular operating system was pirated. Now as for Sam, it’s not so much that he’s a rebel with a cause or whatever, it’s that he’s inherited a company that has been taken over by people who don’t share the same ideal he and his father have. However, he’s young, still trying to find his way in the world, and basically has no interest in running the company ’cause the disappearance of his father was a disillusioning experience for him and very traumatic one too. That kind of thing made him the man he is at that point in the film.

Zeus was pulling a Jim Carrey Enigma act, from Batman Forever – I Lol’d – the movie was actually entertaining but yeah….just that…..

You’re entitled to your opinion of not liking the movie, it does have some glaring flaws. But there’s a lot of things that you mentioned that have really obvious, common-sense answers. Like, Flynn is a programmer, he MADE the Grid. Of course he knows where the Solar Sailer train-thing (which btw is from the original TRON, it’s kind of a big deal) goes, and pulled the pig code out of his ass, it’s his job. The ISOs came from NOTHING, made by NO ONE. They also have triple helix DNA. If you can’t see how that makes Quorra special and would revolutionize the world, I can’t help you.
The back story and the world are fleshed out more in other mediums; the comics, games and soon to be cartoon I think. Zuse meeting Quorra, CLU’s uprising, the deal with the ISOs, basically a lot of things you had problems with. And before anyone thinks ‘well the movie should stand on its own’, I don’t think so. They’re official canon, you wouldn’t blame a sequel for not explaining everything its prequel did all over again, right? That’s the point of making the extra stuff, cause there’s only so much you can fit into 2 hours. The tie-in shit isn’t that ‘rehash the movie’ stuff, it actually really adds to the world building and character development. I highly recommend the comics, they’re really good and only a 2 issue mini-series. The game is, uh, frustrating to put it kindly, not really worth it if you don’t care to see how CLU takes over the grid and how Quorra meets Flynn.
Sorry for the tl;dr, and normally I wouldn’t bother, but a lot of this stuff is obvious if you take the time to think about the characters and world involved, despite what you said about the movie falling a part when you think about it. It seems like the opposite happened for you.

I’m rather surprised that you didn’t bring up the fact that they turned Tron, the main fucking character of the first movie, into a god dammed speechless thug. That is what pissed me off the most about the entire thing!

nice FFX background there spoony. got a laugh out of that.

I enjoyed this review mainly because what you said at times made sense. However you said there were few references to the first film. I did catch a few others..

- First of which would be the Solar Sailers which people have obviously commented on
- Just before the Light Jet fight, Jeff Bridges says ‘It’s all in the wrist’ a line which he said after being asked how he got so good at a video game
- The military base is Commander Sarks battleship from the first film…
- In Jeff Bridges office in the Arcade theres an model of the outside of the MCP’s stronghold from the first film and also the handheld game Bridges played when talking to Bruce Boxleitner and Cindy Morgan
- In Bridges’ fortress of solitude theres two ornaments that CLU looks at when he vists. This is representation of the Bit that follows Flynn when he flys the recogniser in the first film

Like you said the Recognisers weren’t used as well as they could’ve been and the Light Cycle battle could’ve been executed better bringing back that sense of claustraphobia. However the ‘Light Runner’ or dune buggy could’ve had more screen time as it seemed like the batmobile from The Dark Knight with it’s rockets and such.

The thing that annoyed me the most about this movie (both movies for that matter) were the goddamn Frisbees, let’s just break it down. Data disks are basically your entire identity as well as your all accumulated knowledge, which can be interpreted as a physical representation for a program’s space on a hard drive. This actually makes sense, when a program on your computer is running all it really is is a facsimile created by the RAM as per the instructions on the the hard disk, what you see on the screen can be shut down, altered, and reloaded on a whim as long as the data on the hard drive is still intact. So if you’re a program in a virtual world it would make sense that somewhere there’s your own code written down (in this case a literal disk that you carry with you) which you would want to protect at all costs.

Here’s where the movies lose me. You have this external object that houses your social security number, your ID, your DNA sequence, a complete backup copy of everything you know, and on top of that it’s also your only means of recovery if you’re injured. And rather than keep it in a bank deposit box you’re supposed to use it as a weapon, but not just a weapon, it’s a weapon that you must throw away from you and you’re only hope of getting it back is if it just happens to bounce around like a super ball and flies back in your general direction. The newer movie takes it a step further by having everyone keep their disks on their backs, not on your belt or on your chest where you can get to it quickly and keep an eye on it but instead it’s on your back where anyone can sneak up on you from behind and swipe it. And they do, a major plot point comes from the bad guys stealing Jeff Bridge’s Frisbee in such a way that they couldn’t if he had just kept it anywhere but the middle of his back.

The thing that annoyed me the most about this movie (both movies for that matter) were the goddamn Frisbees, let’s just break it down. Data disks are basically your entire identity as well as your all accumulated knowledge, which can be interpreted as a physical representation for a program’s space on a hard drive. This actually makes sense, when a program on your computer is running all it really is is a facsimile created by the RAM as per the instructions on the the hard disk, what you see on the screen can be shut down, altered, and reloaded on a whim as long as the data on the hard drive is still intact. So if you’re a program in a virtual world it would make sense that somewhere there’s your own code written down (in this case a literal disk that you carry with you) which you would want to protect at all costs.

Here’s where the movies lose me. You have this external object that houses your social security number, your ID, your DNA sequence, a complete backup copy of everything you know, and on top of that it’s also your only means of recovery if you’re injured. And rather than keep it in a bank deposit box you’re supposed to use it as a weapon, but not just a weapon, it’s a weapon that you must throw away from you and you’re only hope of getting it back is if it just happens to bounce around like a super ball and flies back in your general direction. The newer movie takes it a step further by having everyone keep their disks on their backs, not on your belt or on your chest where you can get to it quickly and keep an eye on it but instead it’s on your back where anyone can sneak up on you from behind and swipe it. And they do, a major plot point comes from the bad guys stealing Jeff Bridge’s Frisbee in such a way that they couldn’t if he had just kept it anywhere but the middle of his back.

for the whole command thing, he looked at all of the previous commands by kevin flynn and the most used one was the lazer thing one so thats why he typed it

I know that this review is like several months old now and you probably won’t read this comment, but wow Spoony. I’m surprised that you were able to follow perfectly Inception and failed at following Tron Legacy…It really seemed that you fell asleep during the movie several times.

I personally enjoyed it very very much. And I thought it over. And I can’t agree with most of this review. Not saying that this movie is genius. It’s not, but it’s not stupid as you say.
I will repeat most what Yuri said below.

From the beginning. The movie makes more sense than you imply.

- The corporation: The chairman was most likely annoyed by Bradley’s constant complaining so he shoved an ironic “we put the number 12 on the box” just to shut him up. Also, most likely the system DID NOT get pirated. Sam probably released it on the official Encom site. That’s why they couldn’t back out of it, that’s why Dillinger said to say that it was on purpose. Microsoft would never say that the Windows on torrents is “a free gift”, unless they themselves released it for download. Also the news reporter was to report the release of the system LIVE from Encom and since they didn’t go live, she concluded that they have some problems.

- CLU’s plan: was to lure Bradley to the Grid to blackmail Flynn or get Bradley’s disc. That’s why CLU paged him. Bradley thought that Sam would be a better person to go to the arcade simply because of his daddy issues. CLU didn’t expect that. Most likely he had his troopers look for Bradley not Sam, so they didn’t recognize Sam and took him for a stray program. CLU was surprised by this, he even asked “so it’s just you?”, because he expected Bradley to come. He also analyzed Sam’s disc first and stated “I expected more”. Perhaps he just expected that Bradley or Sam would also have the master key Flynn has. Since Sam didn’t have the master key he wasn’t needed anymore. Furthermore, the word of Sam’s death on the arena would reach Flynn quickly. Maybe CLU expected Flynn to storm him, drop his guard in anger and so on.

- CLU’s motivation: Why he wants to invade Earth? See what Flynn thinks: “Make the Grid available to all humans”. He passed this idea to CLU. So CLU shifted this idea to his perspective: “Make Earth available to all programs”. Even during CLU’s ego speech at the end, he said exactly the same words as Flynn did at the “news-flashback” part.

- Disc wars: Sam never did anything remarkable. He just threw the disc. It was stated that he was good at videogames. Same principle that allowed Flynn to survive the games in Tron 1.

- Flynn’s disc: it’s stated in the movie that it’s the master key to the system. CLU is the most powerful program, able to shape the Grid and maintain it, but he doesn’t have access to everything, including (most importantly) the portal.

- The wasteland (or whatever it’s called): someone in the comments made a good reference, that it’s like unallocated disc space. Programs cannot go there unless they know where to go. CLU couldn’t find Flynn’s home simply because it wasn’t connected to the Grid.

- Vehicles that couldn’t go outside the grid: People already explained that. Lightcycles are designed to travel only on the Grid, so they can’t. Jets and othery flying things can because they fly above the terrain. But they only could go there when they knew where to go.

- The Pig: come on…Flynn is the designer and creator of the Grid. It wouldn’t be a problem for him to code some food.

- The Isos: it’s explained in the movie who are they and where they came from. Flynn didn’t create them. “They manifested themselves”. And why they are special? Because they have complex digital DNA and not just code like other programs. Also, while senitent, programs are still programs, they only do what they are designed to do. Isos are living beings. Like the Puppet Master in “Ghost in the Shell”. He also just manifested and became a life form evolved from an AI.

- Zuse: It is explained that Quorra met Zuse before. It is more broadly explained in the game afaik. About his behavior? He’s the fun provider, so he just had fun with the fight.

- The “thing”: As many said. Flynn probably designed and made that thing, also it went exactly where they needed to go, towards the portal. Flynn came in and out of the Grid, so he knew how to get there. The base was on the way because well…if you invade someplace you don’t gather your army as far away as possible, right? You gather it near the place you want to invade. Also CLU used the train to transport cought programs to the ship.

- Sam taking the disc: CLU just was too sure of himself at that point. His ego lost him.

- Programs: In Tron 1 the Grid was part of a system they used in Encom. So the programs did what they were coded to Many users used the system. Flynn wanted to make a new Grid as just a world for programs and humans. So most programs were designed to just inhabit the world. Also the only user was Flynn.

The only things I can agree with is young Flynn’s CGI face, the lightcycle battle and not so much developed world. The problem is that this movie is supposed to be linked to the comics, game and cartoon which better show the setting and stories of other characters. I blame Disney for wanting to turn this into a cash-cow.

Tron Legacy is pretty much the same plot as Tron 1.

lol he says beam of light and the screen saver appears with beams of light

Final thoughts.  Happy you started talking about the “new life forms”.  I didn’t like the ending at all ’cause its all trans humanism stuff like “Battlestar Galactica”.  So yeah, let’s make the main hot chick character who was lesbian in “the OC” a program that gets into the real world and is supposed to be the “new” human.  Stupid.
As for the disk… well I was thinking that programs can only leave with USERS disks… yet if that were true Clue would have just grabbed Sams disk at the start… so yeah makes no sense. 

scarlet eh, sounds nice……….

i bought the Babylon 5 boxset on the back of this review, thanks spoony awesome tip BEST SHOW EVER>

I found a lot of the gripes that you had about things not making sense were very “now that you mention it” for me. Maybe it’s because I’m ignorant or i just don’t have that mind-set but ya. And some of the things you were talking about, would’ve made the movie a lot worse if they were not included. For example: Why does CLU want to kill Sam? Well because if he didn’t we wouldn’t have a Lightcycle chase :P. Yes it could’ve been a lot better but i also think it could’ve been a lot worse.

Hey spoony, I do agree with ya’ on lots of things. A movie with a lot of good actors, great potential, but they didn’t really use that potential. Anyway, figured I could give you something else to add. Obviously the laws of our world apply to users when they’re in the “digitalised world”, like the kid bled when he got cut. Now, would that mean that if the programs came to our world, they would vapourise when hit like in their world? ‘Cause then it’s not much of an army Clue has, and would they all appear in the old Arcade? It’ll be an easy target to hit, and it’ll get pretty crowded… Yeah, figured I’d let you on those points as well =)

I think you’re a great critic, even if we don’t agree on everything. And you always have good and solid arguments for the things we do disagree on, so it doesn’t matter… I’m able to see your point of view, so good job =)

Spoony…..   Where to begin…?

 I have a personal rule I try and follow the best I can (And like trying to adhere to so many other rules I sometimes fail) … And that rule is to avoid attacking or being an asshole to a person on their OWN BLOG. When I am here as a guest.

  So… I will refrain the best I can…

 Somewhere along the line, Spoony, I believe you have lost touch with what Movies are. Let me remind you if you don’t care to listen…. Movies are…. “entertainment” …. They are colorful, sound infused, subject oriented imaginary journey’s. The ligh and sound that they generate transfixes our senses, the stories remove us from the reality we sometimes grow bored with… Their actors give us a “Fun House Mirror” view into what we may or may not look like while experiencing things beyond our wildest dreams.

  It is clear to me after listening to you entire “Review” of Tron Legacy that in no way do you have a solid grasp on any of the principles I have just shared. You spent the first 15 minute of your review actually ripping apart and trying to find REASON… in a situation that from the very outset… from the very inception of its idea… is a fantasy.

  Your statement “If you have used the internet for any length of time you would know that so & so and suck & suck is completely impossible”(Speaking to the piracy of the newest Encom Operating system)…. Then carrying it further by chastising the arts department for having a background screen showing the stock falling and the Operating System being downloaded world wide..

  I could sit here and write until my wrists and hands jammed and failed to ever work again… but it is entirely unnecessary…..

 If you cannot take a film where people can be transported from a biological intity, and digitized into an computer version of his or her self… and separate the “Fact and Fiction”… and just enjoy the entire process and perhaps even laugh at ourselves for thinking such thoughts… NO FILM can be safe from your scrutiny.

   If you cannot square with the fact Sam Flynn is a “Entertaining idea”…. and that Sam Jr. Going looking for his father in a Computer Hard Drive… Rather then Kuwait, Saudi’s newest cities, Monte Carlo, Hong Kong or Barbados (where Most Rich folk disappear to)… then how can you sit right with little issues like the Entire Evil Galactic Empire is now destroyed just because two guys and One Space station was blown up… Never mind the THOUSANDS of other Star Destroyers and Planets full of Empire Personnel still exist”….

 If you cannot settle with yourself that the Tokyo Stock exchange can be effected within minutes of Encom’s troubles…. How ill you EVER be able to settle with Dorothy and Toto riding a Tornado to “OZ” where they will land in a town full of midgets on top of a Witch wearing Denver Bronco 70′s era socks?  How ill you ever justify a guy in a Loin skin rug suite if you cannot justify Sam Flynn base Jumping a building..?… How could you ever look the “Terminator, a Machine from the future sent back to kill a guy who will be the leader of the human resistance after Doomsday… when you cannot look at “Light Jets” having a WW2 style air battle heading towards “The Light”…?

 I’m sorry…. Spoony….. I don’t see you as a “Critic” or even a person who should be gining a personal opinion about anything….

 Not that you are a bad person… No, Not at all… You are a person who lacks what the Movie industry takes for granted about everyone who sits down in from of a Movie like “Tron” or “Tron Legacy”….. They take it for granted the person watching it will have a wide open imagination…. and NOT be looking to “Measure the film against known standards or truths”…. I mean after all….. They do make movies for people “Just Like You”…. The problem is…. when you leave you feel as if Life followed you in… and came right back out with you….

  And what is the Fucking fun in that…???