yay new video!

waiting for the video to upload..as a Nintendo fan, I’m going to try and watch without facepalming.

Dear Spoony,

FUCK YOU SKYWARD SWORD WILL BE AWESOME!!!111!!!!!ONEONE!!11

Sincerely, The 12-year-old Nintendo fan in most of us that thinks Nintendo is going to do something that isn’t just a rehash of the same shit with slightly better graphics and a new controller.

Spoony, people love their franchises. You want to continue the Elder Scroll, Mass Effect and Batman franchises because they are so much fun to play. Same thing with the Nintendo franchises. I’m sorry you couldn’t grow up loving them; you really are missing something special. 

As for the Wii U, people are hesitant to jump the gun and get hyped about it because of how underwhelming the Wii was. However, this is a real system now and its utilizing a control that can change the landscape of gaming as we know it for good. 

I don’t know, if you have any beef with Nintendo then just take it up with James Rolfe.  

It’s fine that Spoony isn’t a fan of the Zelda series, but saying that little things like doing away with the entire overworld in place of a vast ocean, or actually having 1:1 control over your inventory rather than button/gesture control are equivalent to “dangling keys” seems a lot like a cop-out dismissal in place of backing up his opinion with a good, analytical reason as to why these games are still “the same” when they aren’t.  I’m a fan of the Zelda series because, while they do stick with a formula that works, they also consistently change things up enough to keep it interesting. 

I just wanted to say…Wow. You hit the nail on the head.Like you said at the end of the video, it felt like Nintendo’s time to really step up this year. To change the face of gaming and be truly innovative like they were in the 90s. 

Instead, we got a presentation that was so ironically non-Nintendo: N64 ports on the 3DS (which also contains a fatal butchering of a long-awaited Pilotwings re-launch where they just turned it into a dumbed-down version of Wii Sports Resort, which alone speaks VOLUMES about the direction they’re heading in), a slightly upgraded Wii with a U on the end, that has “HD Graphics” that look like they’re still trying to play catch-up to what the PS3 and XBox 360 have been doing for the past couple years, with a re-release of New Super Mario Bros. Wii where you can play with your Mii, Zelda: Ocarina of Time Part VI – Skyward Sword, and…Lego City Stories. 

How can anyone honestly be excited about this? All they’re doing is slapping a new coat of paint on the same games we’ve been playing for the last 10+ years while making new motion-controlled games with a twist to make them appear “innovative”. And by “twist”, I mean “gimmick”. And by “innovative”, I mean “No.”

I never thought Nintendo would put on a conference that was as bad as Microsoft’s. Now if you’ll excuse me, I’m going to fire up my NES, SNES, and N64 emulators to remember the good times, and breathe a heavy sigh of disappointment.

I strongly agree 

I will say this much though, if Nintendo wants to keep me as a Zelda fan then they really need to find a new recurring antagonist, because I am sick. And. Tired of Ganondorf. I seriously want to see them introduce a new recurring enemy for Link to fight, you know like Vaati was for Four Swords? hell, use him! it’s been what, 4 years? Three since we last saw him?

hard to believe people still thinking nintendo win in every conference (no offense! I love twilight princess.) btw Wii U is just a slightly bigger version of NDS.

I see where your coming from here with your whole talk about nintendo, but in their defense, does the WiiU really look like a console concentrated on motion control? I don’t really think so personally, not as much as the Wii. Also, as far as new ideas are concerned, look at the competing consoles. I don’t see Sony or Microsoft trying hardly anything that hasn’t been tried before. I’m not saying their bad consoles, but you at least have to give Nintendo credit for going beyond just the average console ideas. I think one of the reasons you don’t like what their doing is just that movement controls aren’t your thing, which is fine, but other people enjoy them more then you do. As far as 3D is concerned, on the 3DS it’s optional, and on the WiiU it isn’t even there. I completely agree with what you said about Legend of Zelda and other nintendo series’ however. Nintendo really does rely too much on existing franchises. Personally, I enjoy the sequels, but that’s just me.

Lol, PHOTOBOMBED!

While I find it difficult to disagree with anything, I’m still excited for at the very least the new Zelda and Paper Mario games. Everything else sucks, but I am so going for those two. “Is there an original thought knocking around inside their heads, has there been one for the last ten years?” Nope. “3D and motion controls are bad ideas that contribute nothing to my gaming experience except frustration and migraines, that only make gaming a more awkward and clumsy experience” Completely agree, the sooner motion controls are out the window the better off everything will be. I’m still rather excited for the new Zelda though, but I know it’s still the same old stuff that has been recycled since Ocarina of Time. The good thing is, Ocarina of time was good, and so has everything that has ripped it off since then. It may be the same old shlock year after year, but at least its quality shlock that’s fun to play. I understand being cynical and heartbroken by how unoriginal it is, but as long as the game is fun that’s the important part. I’d appreciate a good story and continuity, but it isn’t needed, especually if that would confuse the monkeys up at Nintendo and screw up the product at large. There IS something to complain about, and someone SHOULD complain about it, and maybe I’m just adding to the problem, but I’m still buying that shit the day it comes out.

I lol’d at the photobombers , especially when JewWario tried to block one ! XD

and yes , E3 this year wasn’t that special , aside from the the PSVita and Wii U announcements , it’s either showing off more motion control bullshit (Kinect and Move) or announcing more sequels , with little to no new IPs that aren’t even that interesting.

Also if you bothered to give Luigi’s Mansion a chance you’d see that it was awesome, its one of my favourite games. Its annoying that the much deserved sequel is going onto the 3DS instead of the home console but I’m sure if its half the game Luigi’s Mansion was it’ll be great.

Well it’s not surprising to see Spoony bitch about Nintendo the same way everyone bitches about the EA Sports games. At least Nintendo explore new ideas through their games and give gamers what they want, and everyone loves Ocarina of Time.

Heck, I can’t tell the difference between Oblivion and Skyrim, or Mass Effect 1, 2 and 3 other than Bells and Whistles.

Not trying to bash, but when obviously smart people say things that are just bitter and stupid things must be said. Spoony, your rage against Nintendo is a lot like Yahtzee’s: predictable, childishly bitter, and, worst of all, BORING (and eerily similar to the point where I’d suspect plagiarism). I’m pretty sure I’m gonna get called a “fanboy” (a rather meaningless slur at this point), but I still find Nintendo to be a lot more innovative and revolutionary than pretty much 90% of publishers and developers out there (yeah, even more than Bethesda, Ubisoft, Bioware, Rockstar, and Irrational COMBINED). I’m looking forward to Skyward Sword and the Wii U WAY more than the next Mass Effect or Elder Scrolls, mostly because I’ll probably level and gameplay design that’s out of this world.

I’ll tell you right now, XBOX 360 is D-E-A-D dead. The absolute worst conference at E3. Microsoft just doesn’t care anymore  I mean, what did they have to show? Multiplats that everybody has played and a slew of Knect games. Fuck a Doodle Do! I think my boys Jamin and Shokio said it best, check out their videos:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckmGJIlalwQ&feature=channel_video_title 
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSLV7wfK6A4

Secondly, Zelda aside, you can say all you want about Nintendo. I for one will continue to love and support them ’till the bitter end. What’cha gonna do? throw me into a death camp with all the other Lebensunwertes Leben? What’chu got, son!?

I’m with you on this one Spoony.

Nintendo’s main game lineups are based on a lot of brands that have existed for a very long time. I believe this forms a community that are unstable for changes. Nintendo doesn’t dare change their popular characters for something new. This creates a lot of frustration for gamers who ask for something more of Nintendo and even though we have gotten used to this it’s becoming quite repetitive for someone who is looking for something new.

What i would like to see is that the consumers show that they want something more. And Nintendo shows that they listen to the community. Think about it, what if Nintendo did something similar to Mass Effect or Uncharted? It would rock.

But instead it looks like it’s up to the third party developers to that. I certainly hope it will go better than the third party support the Nintendo Wii had.

wow, you really got photobombed a lot… that blows, even if it is crowded people should know better :P

about nintendo, im really not THAT crazy about the wii u. the concept itself is great, having 2 screens on the DS is awesome and it will be here, too.
but only one touchpad controller per console at a time? really?
no HDD, no central online service? no upscaling to HD for wii games?
you are right, nintendo really is stuck in the 90s…
i AM looking forward to the new zelda though (not ocarina of time, i said NEW zelda XD). you are right, the concept is old and dated. but it WORKS. the games are fun and thats what i care about when i play a game. also in my opinon they always add just enough new stuff to a new zelda to actually justify a sequel. the wind waker was an actual sequel to ocarina of time and added the ocean and islands and twilight princess had 2 worlds again and you can transform into a wolf which added new gameplay mecahnics. just to name 2 examples^^
but still, overall you are right. nintendo does seem to be stuck in the past when it comes to new ideas.

Wow look at all the fanboys who wrought essays for you :p

I didn’t see any games from Nintendo this year that hooked me. Maybe the wiiu will be powerful enough to have multi-platform games come out on it as well. More third party developed games would really help them.

Why is Spoony interviewing this fucking n00b? He’s such an easy mark. Listen to how excited he is about irrelevant shit like seeing a golf-ball on-screen when you set the controller down. He doesn’t even fucking know The Elder Scrolls. By his own admission, he barely plays games. He’s not the type of guy I want to here from (a gamer) he’s an outsider who thinks getting excited according to Nintendo’s instruction clothes in our colors. 

Nvm. I get it. That was just a set-up to the punchline: 4:16 Where it gets good. 

Nintendo has never participated in the hardware arms race. Remember all those new, better consoles Sega came out w/? Remember how they didn’t want the Playstation to be their system b/c it costs too much? They’re cheap bastards who run on fanboyism, nostalgia, and non-gamers. I expect nothing good from them and my expectations are met. 

The Wii U’s presentation was just bad.  I knew right away from the beginning that it was a new console, but the amount of people who didn’t understand that it was actually a new console indicates a failure on their part. I wasn’t impressed by their tech demos, I wasn’t impressed by what the Third parties showed off.  However…

I am awaiting the Wii U with cautious anticipation.  Just off the top of my head I can think of plenty of fantastic gameplay ideas that would benefit games greatly.  Imagine a Metroid game where you always have a map in front of you at all times. Imagine playing Batman Arkham Asylum and Arkham City where you always have detective mode visible on the tablet. No having to switch, just quick glance down at the tablet.  Imagine games like Monster Hunter, Demon’s Souls and MMORPGs where you can use the stylus to appropriately communicate by writing actual messages to other players without having to listen to voices that break that atmosphere and mode of the game. There are so many absolutely fantastic ideas that can be done with the Wii U controller, it’s simply a matter of actually executing them. That is why I’m at least anticipating great things from it because there are so many legitimately good ideas that can be utilized with it, its just a matter of Nintendo and third parties utilizing it. If a layman like myself can think of these ideas I expect actual game developers to provide and execute upon ideas just as good if not better than I can think of them. 

As far as Nintendo as a whole goes: Spoony, you’ve always been a PC gamer, and PC games that were before my time as a gamer to be honest.  I have always been a console player. If there is anything that usually bothers me about a game, its first person perspective and ranged combat. I like playing an actual character and seeing things from their perspective, rather than the game trying to tell me I’m seeing things through mine.  I like actually seeing how the character interacts with their environment.  I like seeing their fighting style.  I just genuinely enjoy Third person action adventure games over all others. As far as ranged combat, I think the Joker sums it up best: “You want to know why I use a knife?  Guns are too quick.  You can’t savor all the little emotions.”

To say Nintendo doesn’t at least innovate strikes me as somewhat silly.  I missed the Metroid Prime games during the Gamecube era as I basically quite video games for a while after the Dreamcast died. I did, however, pick up the Metroid Prime Trilogy for the Wii and I have to say pointer controls are so much better than playing a first person game with duel analogs it isn’t even funny. Duel analogs for FPS games is likely why I hate the genre on consoles to begin with.  It is the most unintuitive thing I can think of that is still tolerated on consoles.  At the same time the Metroid Prime games basically fix all my complains with FPS games:  Shooting the game enemies gets boring after a while.  It has to be layered with additional depth that the Metroid games provide with the ability upgrades, the exploration aspect, the puzzle like bosses, making the world feel like a coherent world. Certain games on the PC rise above the FPS genre as a whole by moving away from the straight action genre into the Action-adventure and Action-RPG genre like Deus Ex and Vampire the Masquerade: Bloodlines, but even you have to admit games of these caliber are very, very few and far between.  And games that actually adventure into the Third Person Action and Action-Adventure genres are damn near nonexistent on the PC. 

That is generally why I give the Zelda games a pass. Aside from Batman:  Arkham Asylum, I can’t think of too many games at all that satisfy that particular itch.  And while I am frustrated with Zelda from a story and continuity perspective, they are still generally the best examples of 3D Third Person Action-Adventure games to date.  Ocarina of Time still sets the standards of what I at least expect from games. Wind Waker was amazing in the size of its world, the draw distance, the lack of loading screens, its art style, ect. ect.  Twilight Princess on the Wii had a fantastic combat system above and beyond what was present in the series prior, the mounted combat was fantastically executed, and again, the pointer controls vastly improved actually aiming at objects with ranged items. Super Mario Galaxy 1&2 are, in arguably in my opinion, the best 3D platform games ever made, making breakthroughs in control, level design, camera design and countless other areas along with actually executing almost every aspect flawlessly.

I’m just going to go out on a limb and say, while you have your tastes, I have mine and you truthfully don’t understand mine and players like myself’s reasoning behind them. You said yourself in your Metroid Other M Vblog (A game I admittedly cannot stand) “I don’t like the backtracking.”  I do. I do.  I like that the game world feels like a legitimate world. I like that there might be areas and items opened up to me that I wouldn’t have been able to access previously in the game. 

Either way, it’s nice to hear your thoughts about this, even though I disagree with them. I expected your opinion given what I know about your tastes from your reviews and Vblogs. 

I think I’d like to start by saying I can respect Spoony’s opinion on Nintendo even thought I completely 100% disagree with it and think his points are based in somewhat of a fanboy-nose tweaking hostility that I don’t think is wholly warranted here.

I think saying “Zelda has always been the same since OoT” when there’s some pretty clear evidence that the GAMEPLAY itself has actually changed greatly, as well as the setting and presentation is somewhat of a stock criticism that needs to be elaborated on more.  Criticism itself is an art form and it requires more thought put into it than “I hate this.” 

Criticizing the story for being the same each time is also somewhat puzzling because the game immediately following Ocarina of Time was Majora’s Mask, a game that threw out almost all of the conventions about Zelda with a new world, a new plot that had nothing to do with Zelda at all, and Ganondorf wasn’t the bad guy or even in it.  Also, the two GBC games similarly had nothing to do with Zelda or Ganon either, as well as the GBA game in which Zelda is the McGuffin, but Ganon isn’t the bad guy, or the two DS games in which Ganon isn’t the main villain, and the Second, Spirit Tracks, in which Zelda tags along with you in a spirit form to assume control of Giant Knights and basically fight with Link to save her own body (that’s a twist.)  Even if you don’t know about these games, your unfamiliarity doesn’t excuse your blanket statement which would include those games.  Considering the story of Zelda’s since Ocarina of Time have strayed from the “formula” more than they adhered to it, it’s hard to even confirm the existence of said formula at all.

Also, I’m not about to scream hypocrisy, but it is interesting that the games you were really interested in all had numbers after them, including Batman.  If you think the Zelda and Mario Universe is boring and tired, I’m wondering how Batman can seem fresh considering he’s from the 30′s and basically every story about him has been told to death and back.  Wanting “continuity” in Zelda and ignoring Batman’s various reboots/reimaginings continuity errors seems somewhat duplicitous.  Yes, Zelda is an old series, dating back to the 80′s.  The fact that it still remains is something to be commended, even if you don’t necessarily enjoy it.  Just like how Batman is still relevant from the 30′s, even though his storylines are always “Big Bad Guy is harassing Gotham/World.  Throw batarangs for victory, btw my parents are deeeeaaaaad~~~.”  And I’d be surprised if Mass Effect and Skyrim has stories that were any less stock than “Evil thing is threatening world/universe/you.  Go forth and defeat it while being a prick/saint.”

I’m also curious how you could be confused about the Wii U actually having a console.  Which is not to say I don’t think anybody COULD be confused, I’m just wondering why YOU are.  Of course there’s a console, the entire internet knew within hours.  In fact one of the pictures you use of the Wii U controller is in a room WITH the console itself.  Other photos in the same set confirm it.  As for the specs, all the interviews with developers say it’s considerably more powerful than PS3, which I would say is plenty powerful enough for “next-gen” without plunking down $700.

As for Nintendo trying nothing new, I’m wondering why you either ignored or just glossed over Kid Icarus.  The “series” is so old it may as well be a new IP, considering the last game in the series was released more than 20 years ago.  Since you didn’t mention it, I think you may have stumbled onto the reason why Nintendo is hesitant to make new IP.  Even when they do, it goes unnoticed by people more willing to bitch about Mario Party again than actually seek out Nintendo’s new IP.

I’ll close by again saying that I can respect your opinion, even if I don’t understand it.

I’ll clear my bias by saying I thought Nintendo’s show was fantastic, and I am definitely excited about Luigi’s Mansion 2, a sequel to a decades old underappreciated game that address a lot of the complaints one could have about a series about gameplay, storytelling, setting, and characters… that was ultimately poo-pooed in 2001 as “another Mario game” because Luigi is in it and that’s apparently all that matters.

Nintendo is just an old standard.  You know?  A restaurant you’ve eaten at a hundred times, rather than the new restaurant that’s opening up down the street.  You know it’s good because you’ve already eaten there, and it’s always been good, but it really lacks the adventure of that new restaurant you haven’t tried yet.
Nintendo’s good at business, you know?  Don’t stray too far from the formula that’s brought you money in the past, and you’ll continue to be at least moderately successful.  Hell, you reviewer guys fall into that trap all the time.  You want to tell me Doug’s NC routine hasn’t gotten stale?  But if he changed it up too much, his long-time fans would flip.  And I think that’s where Nintendo’s coming from, too.  They’ve got fans going back almost 30 years, man.

I’m not saying you’re not right, by the way.  Because you are.  But we don’t run the company.

Yeah fuck nintendo for making sequels! *jerks off over Elder Scrolls 5, Batman 2, Deus Ex 3*

my fucking thoughts exactly.

Variety is the spice of life, just as we all have our taste for certain games or what machine we play on their are times where we can’t please everyone.

It’s official: Spoony thinks anyone over the age of 18 who likes Nintendo is a manchild.

No harm to you, mate, but if you don’t like Nintendo at all, why cover them? Why bother? You could’ve spent the time enjoying Skyrim or Arkham Asylum or Bioware’s new romance simulator (in which everyone is gay and if you aren’t the game punishes you) instead of trotting out the same old arguments everyone trots out when Nintendo does anything.

Man, you both beat me to it. Anyway, yeah, you said everything I did, but better.

Oh, and good to see another Luigi’s Mansion fan!

Personally, I really like the 3DS. I think Dimensions is maybe the best DOA game ever made. I’ve never owned Ocarina of Time before, and I love Star Fox so much I’d pay $40 for a portable remastered version of it. Otherwise I somewhat agree with you. I’m not much of a fan of the WiiU. The portability, 3D, and online factors of superb classic games is almost enough for me to validate $40

You know arguing with Nintendo fans is like arguing with religious people? They have “faith” in their religion/brand which means no matter how valid your argument is (and it is valid) they will simply pass you off as a “non-believer” and ignore everything you say.

Enjoy your reheated and rehashed kiddie games man-children and nostalgia amigos, i’ll look for some innovation and originality.

I’m not the kind to get into an argument, especially not with someone I respect, but here’s what I think…

Many commenters here mention the fact that you are hyped about Skyrim, despite it being pretty much the same as the other games in the Elder Scrolls series. And you say that they are wrong and bring some points about how Skyrim actually brings new stuff. And you know what? You’re probably right! Since you played the games, you know more about it than people who just watched the trailer or gameplay footage.

However, when it comes to Zelda, it seems to be the other way around. Now, you are the one who sounds like he never went farther than gameplay footage. I’m very curious to know what was the most recent game in the Zelda franchise you played seriously. And judging by your “Nintendo is for kids” attitude, I guess you haven’t played one in quite a while.

Your Final Fantasy rants, even if they are filled with hatred, are pretty fun to watch, because you actually played the games and can point more specific problems about them than just saying stuff like “It’s the same game with a different wimpy protagonist. I hate it. The end.”

Ranting about games you never played is obviously not professional, but
it’s also not fun for the watchers, even if they agree with you.

I’m not trying to be provocative or anything, I just want you to consider that for an outsider, games of the same franchise look pretty much the same, even if you think differently. That’s normal, there wouldn’t be much of a point to a franchise if the games in it had nothing to do with each others except maybe the story.

On a side note, I love JewWario and Psychotaku’s synchronized laughs!

*takes deep breath to calm fanboy rage*
I’m going to have to respectfully disagree with you here Spoony. Maybe to you the main franchises seem old and tired, but to me and clearly many other people it isn’t. I do get what you’re saying, but I do feel that though the basic structure in the main IPs are the same each iteration tends to change things enough that it still feels like a fresh experience, while still providing the same solid gameplay that we enjoy. Let’s take Mario for instance. Obviously Mario 64 was a big thank, being one of the first 3d games to really work. I doubt you would argue that. Super Mario Sunshine offered a unique location and the fludd, which changed the gameplay signifigantly. Mario Galaxy did the whole gravity thing which worked extremely well (admittedly Galaxy two did rehash that though, hence it being rather forgettable). At the risk of repeating myself, my point again is that these changes are enough to keep the games fun and unique. And here’s the bottom line, each time I play the new mario, or the new zelda I enjoy the game, I have fun, and find it to be an overall solid gaming experience. That is not something I’m going to be ashamed of, and would appreciate not being insulted for.

Look at all the Nintendo fanboys

Seriously spoony? did someone stop following you because you “bashed” nintendo? heck, I’m a nintendo fan but why would I stop following you just because you have a different opinion? never have I met someone who agrees with me on every single issue. Does that mean that I couldn’t be friends with them? noooooooo.

“And I’m sorry.”

Stop right there Spoony, no you’re not sorry or you’d have not gone on talking, frankly I don’t know what you’ve got to be sorry about and i don’t know why people say that before they say something that could offend people.

I freely admit I’m a bit of a Nintendo fan boy had all the consoles and can’t wait for the new Mario games they are always fun. But at the moment I am done with the Legend of Zelda games, they are the same, I jumped off the FPS wagon (Don’t look at Borderlands) I’m jumping off the Zelda wagon. Once they make a good Zelda game (windwaker was good) I’m back. I don’t have too much of a problem with motion controls and I don’t get migraines my sympathies to those who do, I’m told they hurt like a bitch.

In closing 3DS rules suckers!

My God the Proctology wards will be overflowing with the amount of butt hurt here….

My God the Proctology wards will be overflowing with the amount of butt hurt here….

While I think you’re understating the Wii U’s capabilities, I definitely agree that Nintendo is just rehashing and rehashing and rehashing.  Even I’m not excited about Skyward Sword (honestly, I would be more excited it if played with a standard controller – the motion controls was what made me get Twilight Princess for the Gamecube, rather than the Wii), AND Skyward Sword is using Windwaker’s graphics, which seriously made me rage back in the day, despite that Windwaker was actually a good game.

Also, Luigi’s Mansion 2?  Seriously?  While the first game wasn’t bad, it was not even close to what people expected for the Gamecube’s launch title, and it ended up being extremely underwhelming.  I don’t know what would bring Nintendo to make another one.  Hey, you think the villain might be BOWSER THIS TIME?

The thing I really worry about with the Wii U is the timing of the release, especially if it can only match the power of the PS3 and Xbox 360. Nintendo fans (who tend to skew towards the younger demographic) only have so much disposable income and they could be splitting their own fan base between the Wii U and the 3DS.

Also if the Wii U can only match the PS3 and 360 then how will it attract the “core” gamers it’s trying to appeal to? Especially if Sony and Microsoft announce that they’re working on their next gen soon. People will just bypass the Wii U and wait for the “real” next gen consoles.

I gotta agree with Spoony here, Motion controls did nothing for me in 2006, they do nothing for me now i do not own a Wii nor do i own a kinect or move. its a gimmick thats played out, not the future of gaming.

Hah! You were right in front of the World of Tanks banner when you did the bit with Psychotaku and JW. Will you be reviewing it at any point? As a tread-head and WWII history nut, I love it, but it really is not for everyone, so I’d be interested to get your take on it.

Also, I think you may have been a LITTLE hard on Nintendo, but I’m kinda skeptical too. I mean, without them we wouldn’t have rumble, dual analog sticks, rear triggers, or a dozen other things we take for granted now that were considered strange or just plain stupid gimmicks when Nintendo came up with them. BUT they also are notorious for failing to capitalize on their innovations.

Here’s hoping! *fingers crossed*

Spoony is just like the modern Final Fantasy fan.

Stories and characters have always been and always will be ancillary in video games.  That is why games like Mario Kart and the 2D Mario games can sell 20 million +.  Even the most successful franchises outside of Nintendo, such as, GTA, COD, and Halo are not about stories.  Yes they have stories but that is not why people play them.  Whereas the best story-driven games manage only a few million in sales.  I’m not saying I don’t like a few of those games.  I’m just saying that there is only so much you can do with a story or character before people lose interest.  That isn’t the case with videogames and that is what makes them different from movies and books.

Back to the original point, the modern Final Fantasy fan plays games for the story and characters.  That is why they can like FF 13 and I can absolutely hate it because for the most part you press X, run forward, and occasionally watch your characters dance(paradigm shift).  The old school FF fans played the games because they were fun and if the game had a good story, as well, such as FF VI, then that was icing on the cake.  Spoony is the same, in that, he likes story and characters in videogames.  However, he just likes different ones from the FF fans.  It all comes off as somewhat hypocritical.

Lastly, I don’t want to seem like I’m ragging on Spoony too much.  I’m going to continue watching.  It’s just that when he talks about Nintendo he comes off as childish and uninformed.  Say what you will about his Final Fantasy reviews (I liked them), at least, he played those games from start to finish.  His opinions of Nintendo seem to come from nonsense and show floor demos.

Spoony is just like the modern Final Fantasy fan.

Stories and characters have always been and always will be ancillary in video games.  That is why games like Mario Kart and the 2D Mario games can sell 20 million +.  Even the most successful franchises outside of Nintendo, such as, GTA, COD, and Halo are not about stories.  Yes they have stories but that is not why people play them.  Whereas the best story-driven games manage only a few million in sales.  I’m not saying I don’t like a few of those games.  I’m just saying that there is only so much you can do with a story or character before people lose interest.  That isn’t the case with videogames and that is what makes them different from movies and books.

Back to the original point, the modern Final Fantasy fan plays games for the story and characters.  That is why they can like FF 13 and I can absolutely hate it because for the most part you press X, run forward, and occasionally watch your characters dance(paradigm shift).  The old school FF fans played the games because they were fun and if the game had a good story, as well, such as FF VI, then that was icing on the cake.  Spoony is the same, in that, he likes story and characters in videogames.  However, he just likes different ones from the FF fans.  It all comes off as somewhat hypocritical.

Lastly, I don’t want to seem like I’m ragging on Spoony too much.  I’m going to continue watching.  It’s just that when he talks about Nintendo he comes off as childish and uninformed.  Say what you will about his Final Fantasy reviews (I liked them), at least, he played those games from start to finish.  His opinions of Nintendo, though, seem to come from nonsense and show floor demos.

Comments like the one below are clear evidence of why the “CORE” gamer are becoming more and more irrelevant to the gaming scene. The popular opinion for core gamers on things like motion and tablet controls are that “it shouldn’t exist.” 

This kind of attitude does not promote progress in the game industry, rather it forces it into stagnation. It’s one of the reason why Japan has fallen so far off the game road map when it comes to compelling game design. They chose to stagnate and stay where they are familiar.

The correct answer however is, “how can we make it better?” which is a clear answer towards progressing into a next generation of gaming. Core gamers are not willing to accept the importance of change, doing something different. 

That means their feedback will not go into consideration when game developers need to make new hardware or when new game designs are being developed. Writing off Nintendo as being “crap” will hurt core gamers more than they think.

I totally agree with Spoony on this one.  Nintendo hasn’t done anything good in years.  I remember when I was 14 I was the biggest Nintendo fanboy around, and HATED, literally hated the Playstation.  It was completely irrational, but since I’ve grown up I’ve found I like the playstation a lot more, and realised just how childish Nintendo games are.

I’m 26, and I can still pick up Goldeneye, or Ocarina of Time and enjoy them, because they are really for all ages.  But just looking at the footage you showed, the new Nintendo stuff seems to be aimed solely at children under 12.  In other words, they want parents to buy their kids this stuff, rather than trying to sell games everyone can buy.

That’s why I almost always play PC games, much more variety and innovation on the PC than consoles these days.  Although the mess that was GTA4 tells us that companies care more about console gamers than PC gamers these days, which really sucks.

Ah yes, Spoony.
Once again proving that you’re gaming’s Jim Cramer.
A clown, jumping around making funny noises trying to be relevant.

Get some integrity dude. I could find that anti-nintendo crap anywhere, Dime a dozen these days.

It’s beyond me how so many of you can sit there and defend Nintendo. With the Wii and the WiiU, they’ve proven that all they care about is pulling your money from your wallet. A company that was known to push the graphical envelope (at least with the SF, N64, and GC) took the easy route, and you peons praise them for giving you crap. I, like many of you, was raised on Nintendo consoles, but I cannot go back. The Wii was my last straw…

Just to answer you, I’m 21 years old and I actually can enjoy a Zelda. As a lot of people, it’s a game I have grown with. But I can’t deny that there hasn’t been a lot of change in the series since Ocarina of Time. The only thing that makes me buy new Zelda game isn’t innovation, it’s more something which is a mix of nostalgia and faith : the little kid in myself wants to find the same feelings he had when he first played A Link to the Past and hopes he will find those feelings in this brand new Zelda. And it always works, since that little kid just need a guy wearing green clothes, a sword and a shield. That nostalgic feeling is almost strong enough (yeah, I hated Spirit Track) to make me forget about the missing innovations and the blandness of the gameplay/scenario which always consisted to go fetch for shits in dungeons to restore Excalibur and go kill Ganondorf to save Zelda.

I haven’t owned a Nintendo system ever since the SNES 15 years ago. Its almost impossible for me to be slightly interested in what Nintendo does anymore. I don’t get that nostalgic feeling everyone talks about. Streets of Rage and Altered Beast is nostalgic. You know why? Because there’s only one version of them. Every gen, Nintendo shoves Mario and Zelda in our faces. Get with the times Nintendo. There are a lot better games, new games, new IPs, new innovations that aren’t gimmick and only serve as novelty item.

Yeah…
I bought a DS to play The World Ends With You.
And never used it since. Anything else Nintendo does never made me want to buy a Wii or a 3DS, so Wii U, I’ll pass.

What was with the player at the end of the first video? Does it take that long to read “center” and move your arms? Even I’m faster than that.

 i love spoonys stuff alot of time but as a gamer who likes everything thats nintendo sony and microsoft i think hes missing the big picture with this people buy these games because they enjoy them i like the zelda forumula personally and really like it but thats just me they add a little somthing new to keep it enjoyable each time.

i do think the wiiu may have problems at first but i dont see it failing as badly as everyone seems to think and i will see if i like it once i can test it and see if it is worth it or not.

(oh and oot was only ever rereleased twice once in a colectors edition with WW and on the VC on the wii thats it)

I’m a bit concerned about the WiiU.  Nintendo has put a lot of effort into showing off the controller, which is fine.  However, I want them to boast technical specs for the console itself, such as processor cores, clock speed, RAM amount and GPU specs.  Back in the days leading up to the Gamecube’s launch, Nintendo was very open about the console’s specs, because they were confident that it could stand toe to toe with the competition.  Where is that openness now?  I fear that they are banking too heavily on their new controller carrying the system to glory.

In regards to Skyward Sword, I can see some similarities to previous Zeldas.  Of course, the Zelda formula has remained fairly unchanged since Link to the Past, and the games have remained fun.  I do, however, think it is time to give Ganon a break.  Was I the only person disappointed by Ganon suddenly showing up in the end of TP?  The Twilight King was pretty menacing, until it was revealed that Ganon was pulling his strings.  Then he suddenly became a joke.  Nintendo needs some creative new Villians, such as Majora or Vaati.  Finally, I hope Nintendo comes up with good reason for Link to be running around with his sword held out in front of himself.  It reminds me of how children run with scissors.

I can understand and see where Spoony’s coming from in regards to Zelda.  However, my take on it is “if it’s not broke why fix it?”.   The games have all been fun to play and when you get down to it that’s all that matter, at least to me.   And I’d rather not see the Zelda series go the way of Sonic the Hedgehog games of the last several years.  He can have his opinions,  I’d just like if he would kindly not bash me for having my own opinions and for knowing what I like/want.

On a side note, those people in the second video were fucking rude.   Did they not see that people were filming something?  Was there no way to move behind the camera(as in the filming being done in a hallway or corridor or something)?    You guys are way more patient than I would have been.

I guess I don’t know how to feel about the Wii U yet. It’s hard for me to think of how to use it in a game. I’d like to use it in a way that could correct mutliplayer screen issues. For example–while I enjoy playing Tales RPGs with groups, I often either a. lose visual confirmation of my character (Symphonia), or b. the screen captures too much of the field and doesn’t focus in on what I’m doing(Abyss, Vesperia). It would be nice to have that second screen to observe what my character is doing.

If a company can come up with a great way to use it, then more power to them. Frankly, I liked the Wii remote for shooting games like House of the Dead: Overkill and Sin and Punishment: Successor of the Skies. Outside of that, I was more likely to use my Gamecube controllers, given the chance.

Frankly, I’m glad to see any sign of life in the Star Fox franchise, even if it’s just a remake. Star Fox Command would have been a terrible way to end the series. The gameplay was okay for the most part (minus the missle crap), but that storyline. Yikes.

I agree with you Spoony.  Nintendo and
other major game developers in Japan haven’t been producing new games. 
Almost all of them are creating remakes after remakes and even if some of them
have decided to make new franchises, they usually end up being mediocre
games.  There are even fair amount of crappy games like Mind Jack.  I
know groundbreaking games are rare to come across, but what I am saying is that
quality games are becoming even rarer in Japanese gaming industries.

Japanese economy is slowly dying by its own inflexible system.  Numerous
issues such as decreasing employment rate and the recent flood didn’t help the
situation either.  Because the game developers were demoralized by these
unfortunate events, no one wants to take risks.  This is why companies
like Nintendo and Squire-Enix are clinging on their previews efforts. 

As if that wasn’t enough, they have found convenient bait for their commercial
purposes.  Anime fans may know what I am talking about; the Moe culture
(or Otaku culture if you will).  A lot of game companies believe that if
they put some cute anime girls and fan services, their games would at least
sell.  This kind of trend has begun since the anime known as Melancholy of
Haruhi Suzumiya started to become popular in Japan.  The anime increased
the population of anime geeks significantly, thus the companies have decided to
make a product targeted at these kinds of people.

I am not bashing Otaku culture by the way.  In fact, I am also part of it
and supporting the culture.  But I don’t encourage the way they are using it;
the culture is just a pure marketing tool for them.  Not only it’s
insulting to these people, but it also prevents games from evolving.  The
game technology has literary frozen since 2005. 

This is very sad.  Japan used to be the country of gaming technology
and master of game designs.  Now they
only care about money, and produces bellow average softwares.

I am almost fed up with it, and I still got western games to play. 
Western game companies are still well and alive, and I am a big fan of their
games too.  So there are no reasons for
me to care about the Japanese games.  But
I’m still interested in how they are going to resolve this situation, and what
kind of path the developers are going to take.

Wow, I read through all of these comments. I really have no life, ha ha.

Seriously though, I’m a Nintendo fan and, although I may not agree with what Spoony said, I respect his opinion. There’s no reason for some of the people here (though not the majority from what I’ve read) to be so upset about what he said. If it annoys you to the point of seeing red, I think you have some problems.

Personally, I’ll always go back to Nintendo. I finally bit the bullet and bought a PS3 and to be honest, it’s collecting dust. Granted, I’ve only SSF4, Rachet and Clank and Singstar but I don’t really see that many games that get me excited nowadays for the ps3 save for WWE Allstars.

I guess it just has to do with me getting older, but I’m really getting tired of a lot of games that are out. I’m not into FPS so that’s what, 1/2 the market gone for me maybe? Oh well. I’ll go back to Rock Band 3. Call me when Star Fox 64 comes out again.

Thank you Spoony for speaking that which no one else has about the Zelda franchise.
Also, did you know that Miyamoto declared Skyward Sword to be the last console Zelda unless it actually performs better in sales than the last few games? God knows what this could also mean for the Metroid series considering the massive failure that was Other M. 

Well I think the comment speaks for itself really, I didn’t enjoy any of the Zelda games on the handhelds and I wasn’t as much of a fan of the handheld games or Majora’s Mask as other people seem to be. And no, I really don’t speak as if I know anything about what Skyward Sword is going to be like.

I totaly agree with Spoony on this one! Super Mario Bros was released back in 1985. That’s 26 years ago and we still get the same Mario games year after year! Some of you Nintendo fanboys are defending saying that many games on PC and Xbox 360 are sequals too, and sure there are sequals but they don’t go back to 1985! Battlefield 1942 was released in 2002 and Call of Duty in 2003. That is not even 10 years ago. According to Wikipedia Mario has appeared in over 200 games! 200 games in 26 years!!! Why do you still love that little italian plumber and all his friends? I really don’t get it! And for the record: I am 30 years old and I played Mario games on the NES and SNES. Then I got bored with Mario. And Zelda. And all Nintendo games…

why don’t you tell us what you really think about Nintendo. hahaha. love the rant. i think Skyward just looks like a bad Zelda.

My god, do you listen to yourself? I’ve been browsing through these comments and each and every one of your posts is a perfect example of why no one takes gamers seriously. Yes, I’ll admit some of these people are coming off as fanboys, but I’m also seeing a lot of smart, well constructed arguments defending Nintendo/Zelda as well. The fact that you’re immature, trollish comments are getting as many likes as they are is leaving an incredibly bad taste in my mouth.

Edit: I don’t know how this comment is showing up for other people, but this was in response to an earlier comment. For me it’s showing up like a seperate, brand new post.

Im sorry,  im a fan of the site and the reviews.  im usually just a site lurker but i have to comment on this.  I will admit i was always a nintendo gamer,  from NES to Gamecube.  the Wii just isn’t my thing.  i have one, and i pretty much use it when friends come over to play Wii sports.   I have played Smash Bros, Twilight Princess and Punch Out as well.  but its mostly for when company that isn’t hardcore into games like me comes over.  

Now,  my problem is that you have a full video of you shitting on Nintendo about releasing sequels and not trying anything new.  Then out the other side of your mouth you are going on about how you can’t wait for Skyrim (elder scrolls 5!) Deus EX Machina (3rd game of series) and Mass Effect 3. Yes those are the 3 games im most excited about,  but a double standard nonetheless.  

I know you said to JewWario that you are more of a cynical critic and yes some of your negative rants have proved to be your better videos.  but the difference between this and your FF8 videos or other games you shit on.  is that those were funny videos.  thought out and written to be funny.  this just sounded like a jaded gamer ranting about something he doesn’t like. 

I gotta disagree with you here Spoony, at least about the Zelda franchise. I mean yeah, re-re-re-re-re-releasing OoT for the 3DS is pretty weak, I admit, but there’s a reason that Zelda games don’t generally skew far from the usual formula. It’s because they work. Also, the general story for each game is original enough that it keeps people coming back to see what will happen this time around.

I’d also like to point out that Majora’s Mask was WILDLY different from OoT.

It’s the degree to which Zelda titles are different that matters to me here.

-Majora’s Mask?
Yeah, it ran on an updated version of the Ocarina of Time’s engine, and it did transfer/copy a large number of models, but it was a very, VERY different game in terms of difficulty, story, characters, pacing, and themes (those paying attention will find the issues of marriage, parenting, and even death tucked beneath the surface of the central plot).
It’s easily one of the hardest titles in the series after the Oracle games and Zelda 2; and it’s not because of shitty motion controls (the Wii version of the next game in this list).

-Twilight Princess however, might as well had been a carbon copy of Ocarina of Time with better looking levels. The whole story of Midna seems completely inconsequential in comparison to the usual Zelda tropes: Clear dungeons, get new items, kill a giant pig-man.

-Phantom Hourglass lies somewhere in the middle for originality:
for the original DS starts out being a gimmicky mess, but I found the near rogue-like central dungeon of the game (the thing many Zelda fans *hated* about PH) refreshing. While the usual items make their return, Nintendo did find some new and creative uses for many of them.
Sadly, they also brought back all of that monotonous sailing.
Want to create a massive environment filled with largely nothing? That’s the ocean. And it’s why I couldn’t play beyond the first dungeon of Wind Waker.

From what little I’ve seen of Skyward Sword; I’m guessing that it’s going to be a hybrid of Twilight Princess and Wind Waker. In short, more Ocarina of Time style dungeons/loops. Eh…

The only remaining comment I have on Nintendo’s lineup: Yeah, the franchise milking has gone on for a very long time, but they have accomplished this through a strong sense of quality control for their first party titles. In fact, the ONLY perennial Nintendo franchise not to make any sort of appearance was Metroid (I’m guessing that Other M has something to do with it).

You see that white box under the TV in the WiiU photos you’ve used for this video?

That’s the WiiU.

The controller isn’t a new motion control system… the Wii already did that. Nintendo have moved on, this is a *touch screen* controller, and that is new for living-room console games. Albiet something that have been present, and have fundamentally changed game play methods in the DS and iPhone.

Read the press pack, don’t just go by the presentation where stuff can be accidentally skipped over. They give out the press packs for a reason, and if you speed read them you can then put out a video that doesn’t make you look like you’re just disinterested in reporting and just want to rant.

In all, this video reminds me of your “Tron 2″ review, when you apparently fell asleep during the important parts of the movie.

You see that white box under the TV in the WiiU photos you’ve used for this video?

That’s the WiiU.

The controller isn’t a new motion control system… the Wii already did that. Nintendo have moved on, this is a *touch screen* controller, and that is new for living-room console games. Albiet something that have been present, and have fundamentally changed game play methods in the DS and iPhone.

Read the press pack, don’t just go by the presentation where stuff can be accidentally skipped over. They give out the press packs for a reason, and if you speed read them you can then put out a video that doesn’t make you look like you’re just disinterested in reporting and just want to rant.

In all, this video reminds me of your “Tron 2″ review, when you apparently fell asleep during the important parts of the movie.

Implying you should fix what ain’t broke.
I seriously hope you don’t do this, Spoony.

I’m with you, Spoon. I grew up with Nintendo. I bought a Wii first this generation. But things started to change when I saw Assassin’s Creed and started thinking of getting a 360. And then changed even more when I found myself playing alot more games on PC.

I enjoyed the Wii for a while, but the games I enjoyed the most weren’t first-party Nintendo titles (de Blob, Endless Ocean, Muramasa etc.) I was excited about Mario Galaxy and even though it was a throwback to Mario 64 it just couldn’t hold my attention as well for some reason. Being a wolf in Twilight Princess was tedious and the plot was all over the damn place. Around the time Donkey Kong Country Returns and Kirby’s Epic Yarn came out I was getting pretty sick of Nintendo and feeling like they really do just make the same shit over and over (even if it was Yoshi’s Island that Kirby was cribbing.)

And when they revealed the WiiU I decided I really didn’t give a fuck anymore. 

I read “Whilst thou stink” instead of sink.

Oh dear…. Spoony being ignorant… again. You need to stop calling people manchildren, for the sake of not calling out your own career (in which you do act like a manchild might I remind you).

Skyrim is samey (all you do is kill things, walk around, collect items and talk to dudes for like a hundred hours like every Bethesda game), Uncharted 3 is samey, Battlefield 3 is samey, Call of Duty is samey, Arkham City is samey, everything is samey.

How many samey games (like Total War, Ultima) do you enjoy?

Now don’t be a hypocrite, I expect you to rip them a new one.

Did you even TRY to play the new Skyward Sword?

With the COMPLETELY REWORKED combat and use of items?

The COMPLETELY different art style and fully orchestrated score?

The fact that there are two overworlds, one of them requires flying and the other is like a dungeon in itself.

Stamina meter and more parkour-like actions.

From those few factors alone it has more innovation than the majority of games featured at this years E3, and there is more innovation to be had (upgradeable items etc)

PLAY the game, BEFORE you dismiss it. I have actually been following the game and it’s game of the year material as always.

I’d be here all day if I were to call out everything wrong with what you’re saying so I’ll just say…

If you HONESTLY think that all the Zelda games are the same, that something like Wind Waker is the same as Majora’s Mask, then you are either trolling or haven’t played them.

Wind Waker had cel shading that made it feel like a cartoon, sailing with an amazing sense of exploration and wind physics etc.

Majora’s Mask had you take on completely different forms and other masks, a 3-Day system with ridiculous character interaction, and a poignant and dark storyline…

If you think them the same then you don’t know what you’re talking about simply.

Those two games are both groundbreaking, and I think you may just have too large a sense of entitlement and clearly take what they offer for granted. Either that or seriously jealous that a game you love doesn’t get the same treatment.

Why do we care about Zelda? Well it’s because it has a ridiculously large range of gameplay, ridiculous polish and makes everything else look like buggy soulless crap.

And Fours Swords was like Left 4 Dead before Left 4 Dead even existed. How is that bells and whistles?

I also find it hilarious to call out a progression formula. Progression is NOT gameplay. You are not psychic and you DO NOT know what you are about to play. You did not see the spinning top from Twilight Princess coming.

Also on the point of storytelling, Twilight Princess has the most well developed Nintendo characters ever in Midna, and Majora’s Mask is basically art in game form and has a million articles dedicated to it. If you played them you would know that assuming you gave them half a chance.

Boo hoo 3D:

Nobody cares if you can’t enjoy 3D or motion controls as far more people can, these allow for incredible experiences you just can’t get any other way. Let’s see you use a regular pad like a sword like you can in Skyward Sword.

Games are NOT, and NEVER have been something you’re supposed to play in a vegetative state…

Stick to films if you feel that way.

Wii U:

The Wii U will have better visuals than the other consoles, the 360/PS3 were ancient back in 2007 and everything will be dirt cheap for Nintendo.

Nintendo has brains and likes to make a PROFIT unlike the other two.

The Wii U has a groundbreaking controller which will allow for brand new gameplay, new ways of playing (you don’t even need a TV), new levels of fidelity (no HUD, so it’ll be like you’re playing CG) and it can do practically anything seeing as all the Wii controllers work.

If logic prevails it’ll get all the third party games, it already has a good bunch announced.

What more does it need to do to become ‘next gen’? What else do you want? Graphics have hit their peak and that wouldn’t mean jack if it was just prettier shooters.

You’re just being ridiculously hard to please because you want them to fail, and they won’t because Nintendo know what they’re doing unlike you in your rant.

—

I hate to sound so negative but you’re really full of shit on this one. You can make broad statements all you like, it still sounds ridiculous.

Now to watch the rest of your (hopefully less negative) E3 footage :P .

I’m with you Spoony. The Wii has always been a gimmicky piece of junk and motion controls are a huge step backward in gameplay. The controller isn’t broken so stop trying to reinvent it Nintendo! Even the Wii U with it’s horrible name is a rehash of something Nintendo has done before; namely the GBA connectivity with the Gamecube.

Really? Is this what people wanted to see next from Nintendo? Just another fancier Wii Remote? *Snore*

“Nintendo doesn’t seem to do anything new or interesting OH MY GOD MASS EFFECT 3 they just rehash the same series over and over OH DEAR LORD ELDER SCROLLS 5 it’s like they can’t come up with anything new at all OH MY TINGLY BALLS DEUS EX 3!!!!”

You’re being more than a little hypocritical here, Spoony.

EVERYBODY in the games industry is giving us what we want, which is sequels, sequels and more sequels.

At the very least, Nintendo has the good sense to not recycle their games every one or two years, and when they do dip back into their vault they tend to bring them back with something that makes the game play completely differently from the last go-round.

I’m just as excited for Skyward Sword as I am for Deus Ex, and honestly, anybody who outright dismisses Skyward Sword as “just another Ocarina of Time clone” is just being cynical for the sake of being cynical.

Well, at least you saved yourself $60 at the end of the year.

spoony is right, it’s sad but he is, i disagree with him about 25% of the time, not because he’s wrong, but because we have different tastes, like i loved avatar, the first 2 x-men movies, mortal kombat and the list goes on, but i can’t argue. Deus Ex and Skyrim are things to be excited about because we have been waiting sooo much longer for them than nintendo’s re-packaged zelda and mario games. we get an incarnation of the major nintendo titles every 3 years, not to mention there are so many of them (mario kart, mario party, mario galaxy, the ds zelda games the zelda console games) we’re only waiting a few months until we’re supposed to be excited about something “new” and”innovative” again, when we’re really just paying money for clone’s and disappointing hardware prototypes. honestly, even with sony and microsoft we’re just wading through the messy trial and error period of virtual reality. motion control, so far, is not fun unless you’re with friends. and guess what? you can only use one wii u controller per console. fun

But, nintendo rocks. it and atari started it all. the pokemon games are my guilty pleasure and anyone who doesn’t think they are great rpg’s is chroming their nerd ego. and i will be in the long line to buy skyward sword.

the point remains, how long do we have to sit through this mediocrity and act like idiots who will buy anything? when the booth babes at e3 look un-impressed you know we’re heading in the wrong direction.

Mario’s Time Machine.

Oh God.

I have that game.  I wish I didn’t.

Here’s my take on it.

He’s right.
I don’t care, still will probably buy it.
Everyone else, shut the fuck up and buy or don’t buy it.

What is with you people and coming to the offense or defense because another person did or did not agree with you? Don’t you have more better things to do with your time?

I’m disappointed that you failed to mention games like Kid Icarus, which are completely new.

And to say that the Wii U is just another motion controller is quite narrow minded. After going on the tirade about normal controllers, Nintendo gives you a normal controller and you still decided to rip on it. Gaming’s gotta change one way or another, and traditional controllers are not the be all and end all. It’s nice to see a bit of change, and the Wii U can be played traditionally. As well as in new ways.

I’m usually on board with you Spoony, but I can’t on this one.

I agree. As an owner of a wii, unfortunately I completely agree. While I have games that I love on the wii, I am amazed at the crap Nintendo is putting out. It feels like instead of being for the “hard core” gamer as well as casual gamers, it feels like all they did was cater to the casual, soccer mom gamer(?) with a billion kids. Seriously, the wii fit can go fuck itself. The rehashing is getting old as well. I am so sick of the same old Zelda formula. If they are going to do more Zelda, just branch out or admit you’ve taken the series as far as it can go.

With that said, I do still like my wii and the games I bought for it (Okami and No More Heroes are really awesome games, and use the wii remote but don’t make it a gimmick) but sadly, I don’t think I will buy any more Nintendo stuff unless they come up with something new.