E3 2011 – Introduction & Nintendo’s Lineup! And the Wii U!

Spoony | Jun 12 2011 | more | 
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In which Spoony comes unleashed on Nintendo. Again. Be merciful to the poor man. He never really recovered from Mario’s Time Machine.

And for those of you seeking a more positive spin on the Wii U, look no farther than JewWario and the Psychotaku!

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  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cole-Kersting/100002371606534 Cole Kersting

    yay new video!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cole-Kersting/100002371606534 Cole Kersting

    yay new video!

  • ovafaze_14

    waiting for the video to upload..as a Nintendo fan, I’m going to try and watch without facepalming.

  • Anonymous

    Ok then Spoony, I have a question: if you made the next Zelda game, what would it be like?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001000256352 Mike Prah

    Dear Spoony,

    FUCK YOU SKYWARD SWORD WILL BE AWESOME!!!111!!!!!ONEONE!!11

    Sincerely, The 12-year-old Nintendo fan in most of us that thinks Nintendo is going to do something that isn’t just a rehash of the same shit with slightly better graphics and a new controller.

  • https://profiles.google.com/110236142334866944840/about/edit/d?np=1&hl=en CSDragon

    Spoony, all we oldschool gamers, Nintendo or otherwise, want IS the same old software. Gaming isn’t about storytelling, it’s about the challenge and having fun. We want to play our old NES, SNES and N64 games where the whole purpose of the game was the challenge, but on new consoles with new levels.

    We want Zelda, Mario, Starfox, Megaman, Chrono Trigger, Fire Emblem, Sonic, Street Fighter, old Final Fantasies and Starcraft. Games that make you earn your fun. Stories are nice, but not necessary, heck the best game ever, Super Mario Land has no story, just pure sweet execution challenge.

    Besides that, if the franchise wasn’t started in 198X or 199X, it probably isn’t that good a game anyway.

    Honestly, as a gamer whose hayday was Windows 3.1, the oldschoolest of the oldschool I’m actually surprised you aren’t a retro gamer as well.

    • http://twitter.com/ihaveno_life Katrin H.

      Well I like some old games too, but when I want to play an old game, I want to play it on its original console. The console is part of the experience and I’m not going to dish out the money so I can have the same game with better graphics or a new level anyway.

      Maybe spoony feels the same way in that regard.

    • http://twitter.com/SSchneider1337 Steven Schneider

      So you are agreeing with Spoony then? that Nintendo has not changed their gameplay in over 10 years? If you want to play old games, then PLAY THE OLD GAMES, you don’t have to keep re-buying the same shit over and over again.

      As for Super Mario Land having no story, you are wrong. There was a story, not a very deep one of course, but the fact that there is a main character with a name and a goal makes the act of playing through the challenges have so much more purpose and meaning. if there was absolutely not story at all, it would still be fun, but it not as much fun i think.

    • http://twitter.com/SSchneider1337 Steven Schneider

      So you are agreeing with Spoony then? that Nintendo has not changed their gameplay in over 10 years? If you want to play old games, then PLAY THE OLD GAMES, you don’t have to keep re-buying the same shit over and over again.

      As for Super Mario Land having no story, you are wrong. There was a story, not a very deep one of course, but the fact that there is a main character with a name and a goal makes the act of playing through the challenges have so much more purpose and meaning. if there was absolutely not story at all, it would still be fun, but it not as much fun i think.

  • Allen Arroyo

    I like how all the games your are excited for are sequels and yet you criticized nintendo for doing sequels.  I excited for all those games you love too but be fair Spoony.  Nintendo knows their audience and they like their 1st party characters and games.  It’s the only reason oldschool gamers stick with nintendo is because of the nostalgia factor of those past greats.   I agree with you on Zelda, this new title looks like hybrid of wind waker and twilight princess and I hated the motion controls, they are awkward and I hope they support regular controls.  The wii U has alot of potential with its controller but it does need more information to be revealed about it.  At least Nintendo is the only of three console that seems to be moving forward while the other two are stuck in the past when it comes to hardware.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Justin-Sheades/1357200981 Justin Sheades

    Honestly dude, you’ve pretty much reached Final Fantasy levels when it comes to Nintendo. We watch anyway, but that doesn’t really change the fact that you obviously have a crapton of bias when it comes to the company.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mark-De-La-Ree/100002367986539 Mark De La Ree

    Hey spoony. i agree to an extent about your nintendo comments, especially about zelda. As a nintendo fan i find it disheartening that the once creative geniuses behind some of the best games of all time, are now just whoring out their franchises. However, you said all zelda games since ocarina were the same, well their is once exception. Majoras mask, it was and still is one of the most creative and unique games i have ever played. It completely changed up the formula. It didnt sell that well, so of course nintendo learned to never be creative again.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Matt-Danza/615842885 Matt Danza

    agreed. Hit the nail on the head, I’m tired of Nintendo. They play into the whole motion control gimmick and fail to keep the older fans entertain. I will buy Skyward Sword because if you think about it, it’s the only original Zelda game release for the Wii. Twilight Princess was a Game Cube game and Nintendo just transfer it over to the Wii to make the launch game line up stronger. Majora’s Mask was the best Zelda game since Ocarina of Time, since the story tries to break away from the whole bore triforce story that has been recycled for nearly ten years after Majora’s Mask.

  • Anonymous

    I agree with most of what you said Spoony. Nintendo is heralded as the “winner” by a lot of people(They just have a bigger fan-base that gets way too hyped over anything they do), but I was kind of dissatisfied by all of the big three this year. I know I may get some flack by saying I am not excited whatsoever for the Wii U or any of the new Nintendo games for that matter. I have never gotten into Zelda in the first place, so that is out for me already, and I have never cared much for portable gaming so all of the 3DS games are also irrelevant to me(I care just as much for the Vita). I would also like new games and not rehashed games I played well over a decade ago. I have not touched my Wii in a year and a half and it is just collecting dust now, so I think it is high-time Nintendo comes out with a new real console or they may lose me all together. The only things that looked exciting or to me were the third party developers and their content. Bioshock Infinite and Skyrim look pretty amazing. Uncharted 3 looked exactly like Uncharted 1 and 2 (The story is also just as similar.), so I am starting to get bored of that series now too. The only other thing I am excited for it Mass Effect 3, which will hopefully be as amazing as ever (A series that shows there can be a lot of change and still be very good.).

  • Anonymous

    I agree with most of what you said Spoony. Nintendo is heralded as the “winner” by a lot of people(They just have a bigger fan-base that gets way too hyped over anything they do), but I was kind of dissatisfied by all of the big three this year. I know I may get some flack by saying I am not excited whatsoever for the Wii U or any of the new Nintendo games for that matter. I have never gotten into Zelda in the first place, so that is out for me already, and I have never cared much for portable gaming so all of the 3DS games are also irrelevant to me(I care just as much for the Vita). I would also like new games and not rehashed games I played well over a decade ago. I have not touched my Wii in a year and a half and it is just collecting dust now, so I think it is high-time Nintendo comes out with a new real console or they may lose me all together. The only things that looked exciting or to me were the third party developers and their content. Bioshock Infinite and Skyrim look pretty amazing. Uncharted 3 looked exactly like Uncharted 1 and 2 (The story is also just as similar.), so I am starting to get bored of that series now too. The only other thing I am excited for it Mass Effect 3, which will hopefully be as amazing as ever (A series that shows there can be a lot of change and still be very good.).

  • Anonymous

    I agree with most of what you said Spoony. Nintendo is heralded as the “winner” by a lot of people(They just have a bigger fan-base that gets way too hyped over anything they do), but I was kind of dissatisfied by all of the big three this year. I know I may get some flack by saying I am not excited whatsoever for the Wii U or any of the new Nintendo games for that matter. I have never gotten into Zelda in the first place, so that is out for me already, and I have never cared much for portable gaming so all of the 3DS games are also irrelevant to me(I care just as much for the Vita). I would also like new games and not rehashed games I played well over a decade ago. I have not touched my Wii in a year and a half and it is just collecting dust now, so I think it is high-time Nintendo comes out with a new real console or they may lose me all together. The only things that looked exciting or to me were the third party developers and their content. Bioshock Infinite and Skyrim look pretty amazing. Uncharted 3 looked exactly like Uncharted 1 and 2 (The story is also just as similar.), so I am starting to get bored of that series now too. The only other thing I am excited for it Mass Effect 3, which will hopefully be as amazing as ever (A series that shows there can be a lot of change and still be very good.).

  • Anonymous

    I agree with most of what you said Spoony. Nintendo is heralded as the “winner” by a lot of people(They just have a bigger fan-base that gets way too hyped over anything they do), but I was kind of dissatisfied by all of the big three this year. I know I may get some flack by saying I am not excited whatsoever for the Wii U or any of the new Nintendo games for that matter. I have never gotten into Zelda in the first place, so that is out for me already, and I have never cared much for portable gaming so all of the 3DS games are also irrelevant to me(I care just as much for the Vita). I would also like new games and not rehashed games I played well over a decade ago. I have not touched my Wii in a year and a half and it is just collecting dust now, so I think it is high-time Nintendo comes out with a new real console or they may lose me all together. The only things that looked exciting or to me were the third party developers and their content. Bioshock Infinite and Skyrim look pretty amazing. Uncharted 3 looked exactly like Uncharted 1 and 2 (The story is also just as similar.), so I am starting to get bored of that series now too. The only other thing I am excited for it Mass Effect 3, which will hopefully be as amazing as ever (A series that shows there can be a lot of change and still be very good.).

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cado-Folust/100001915342551 Cado Folust

    One reason I still enjoy Nintendo franchises is because they don’t pump them out annually. As it’s the biggest offender in your opinion, I’ll use Zelda as an example. If it were Call of Duty I’d be done with it by now, no question. As there’s always 2-4 years between each installment (more in the case of Skyward Sword) it doesn’t get a chance to become stale.

    Yes, every 3D Zelda has followed the template laid out by Ocarina of Time, but only three have been released since then and they all feel different. Majora’s Mask was the pinnacle of the series in my opinion as it greatly expanded on what OoT introduced and it was the first game where the world felt alive. The 3-day cycle bothered some people but I loved it because it felt like my actions carried a lot more weight as I had to make actual choices concerning what I would and wouldn’t do before the next reset.

    The Wind Waker is flawed but has a charm all its own. That’s largely due to the art style but it was pretty novel to have a whole ocean to explore at the time it came out. My biggest problem with the game when I go back to it now is that they didn’t do a lot with it; there’s tons and tons of empty space and if it wasn’t for the life in the animation style itself the world would feel significantly deader than Majora’s Mask.

    Twilight Princess is basically OoT 2.0. I can understand complaints about this one even if I’d argue it’s an improvement overall.

    The thing about Nintendo franchises is that they are what I want them to be. Nobody out-Zeldas Zelda, and as far as platformers go Mario is still the best series on the market. Nintendo games retain that sense of simplistic whimsy that drew me to them in the first place, and the company always leaves plenty of breathing room between each major release. I’m all for innovation and pushing the industry forward but I’m perfectly okay with Nintendo doing what it does. Not every major title which hits the market needs to be a game changer.

    With that said, I do wish they’d come up with some new IP or exploit IP which has gone dormant, like Pikmin. Nintendo still seems capable of new and novel ideas and I really want to see more of that even though I love what they’re already putting out. It’s hard to communicate, “yes, and…” when all I can do with my wallet is say, “yes” to what they have given us. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cado-Folust/100001915342551 Cado Folust

    ‘agreed. Hit the nail on the head, I’m tired of Nintendo. They play into the whole motion control gimmick and fail to keep the older fans entertain. I will buy Skyward Sword because if you think about it, it’s the only original Zelda game release for the Wii. Twilight Princess was a Game Cube game and Nintendo just transfer it over to the Wii to make the launch game line up stronger. Majora’s Mask was the best Zelda game since Ocarina of Time, since the story tries to break away from the whole bore triforce story that has been recycled for nearly ten years after Majora’s Mask.”

    It was also released near the end of the N64′s lifespan and was one of two games which required the RAM pak. It sold pretty well considering the factors working against it.

    Besides, I really doubt that’s the lesson they took away from it, especially after Wind Waker. Say what you will about the game itself, the art style was a big risk. 

    Now, I’m not big on motion controls, but the pad for the Wii U feels like the first real innovation for controller technology since dual-analogs. This could completely change how we play games if designers are smart about how they use it. I’m sure we’ll see lots of inventory screens, but imagine activating the scan mode in a Metroid Prime game by holding the controller up to the TV, or having a bird’s-eye view of the current playing field in your hands. This could also allow genres like RTSes to actually work on a console which would be pretty mind-blowing in itself.

    There’s no reason to get excited over potential when there’s no indication of whether it’ll be utilized but they certainly have my interest.

  • Anonymous

    @Allen – He was not criticizing them for making sequels, but for just doing the same thing over and over again with almost no change. Sequels are fine if you change things and make them better than the last, but all that has been done to Zelda titles is make the graphics look a bit prettier and rehash the same theme dungeons. Elder Scrolls and he Deus Ex change (Sometimes not in the way you want, but they change none the less.), with new worlds, powers, mechanics, and other such things. The last two titles have also not been stagnating for as long as Nintendo’s series have been.

    • https://profiles.google.com/110236142334866944840/about/edit/d?np=1&hl=en CSDragon

      But that’s what Zelda fans WANT from a Zelda game. Nintendo is giving the fans what they want, and they should never receive criticism for that.

      (Also: I accidentally hit the like button instead of the reply button at first >_>)

      • Anonymous

        I suppose that is true, but I have just never cared for Zelda as a whole, so I don’t quite get wanting that over and over again. Spoony is feeling the same way it seems. I guess that I just do not get it. It will continue as long as it is making money though, and as a company, that is what Nintendo cares about the most.

        • Anonymous

           No Spoony’s just an elitist period. I get the impression from him that’s he a PC gaming fanboy.

        • Anonymous

           No Spoony’s just an elitist period. I get the impression from him that’s he a PC gaming fanboy.

      • Anonymous

        I suppose that is true, but I have just never cared for Zelda as a whole, so I don’t quite get wanting that over and over again. Spoony is feeling the same way it seems. I guess that I just do not get it. It will continue as long as it is making money though, and as a company, that is what Nintendo cares about the most.

      • Anonymous

        I suppose that is true, but I have just never cared for Zelda as a whole, so I don’t quite get wanting that over and over again. Spoony is feeling the same way it seems. I guess that I just do not get it. It will continue as long as it is making money though, and as a company, that is what Nintendo cares about the most.

    • Anonymous

      I can the same thing about the CoD franchise which has been around even less than Zelda and yet has stagnated far worse than any Zelda game ever has yet people eat that shit up. Spoony is nothing more than another goddamn elitist like Yahtzee and go fuck himself if he thinks that about Zelda.

      ESPECIALLY Skyword Sword. It is not the same thing as Ocarina of Time. I can tell by looking at it. Spoony lost all credibility with this. Not because he bashed Nintendo, but because he bashed it based on the same bullshit I’ve had to put up with for 3 goddamn years now.

      Oh and really, this is a dumbass who thinks Skyrim looks good. I fell asleep watching that game’s trailer.

    • Anonymous

      I can the same thing about the CoD franchise which has been around even less than Zelda and yet has stagnated far worse than any Zelda game ever has yet people eat that shit up. Spoony is nothing more than another goddamn elitist like Yahtzee and go fuck himself if he thinks that about Zelda.

      ESPECIALLY Skyword Sword. It is not the same thing as Ocarina of Time. I can tell by looking at it. Spoony lost all credibility with this. Not because he bashed Nintendo, but because he bashed it based on the same bullshit I’ve had to put up with for 3 goddamn years now.

      Oh and really, this is a dumbass who thinks Skyrim looks good. I fell asleep watching that game’s trailer.

  • ovafaze_14

    Noah,

    I respect your opinions, but I highly disagree with them.
    You called skyward sword a rehash, yet the full game isn’t even out yet. You want story in a Zelda game? well, skyward sword is the origin story of the master sword and the triforce. The art style looks fantastic and the gameplay looks promising, nobody has really complained about the motion controls, other then the fact that the wiimote needed to be recalibrated a few times, all you have to do is aim at the screen and press down on the d-pad and it recalibrates pretty fast. It also will have an orchestrated soundtrack, which is awesome. Yes, it does use the same character model for Link from Twilight princess, so what? When you stop comparing games(OOT to twlight, twilight to SS) and just look at a game as its own stand alone title, you might be surprised to find a really good game.

    Adrian

  • http://www.facebook.com/CaptainAlbatross Reid Allen

    Completely agree about how the Wii U is kind of disappointing. When I’ve heard about how Nintendo was going to be introducing a new console, I had hopes that they’d buckle themselves down and really try to do something big and exciting and innovative and take a risk by developing something that would really be worthy of introducing the next generation of gaming. But it basically just boils down to what appears to be the Wii but with a fancy new controller. And that’s it. Sure, it’s an innovation but it also feels like Nintendo is content to just tread water and not take any more chances in terms of pushing the envelope. And as a long-time Nintendo fan, that’s sad that they seem just dead set against evolving with the times.

  • http://www.facebook.com/CaptainAlbatross Reid Allen

    Completely agree about how the Wii U is kind of disappointing. When I’ve heard about how Nintendo was going to be introducing a new console, I had hopes that they’d buckle themselves down and really try to do something big and exciting and innovative and take a risk by developing something that would really be worthy of introducing the next generation of gaming. But it basically just boils down to what appears to be the Wii but with a fancy new controller. And that’s it. Sure, it’s an innovation but it also feels like Nintendo is content to just tread water and not take any more chances in terms of pushing the envelope. And as a long-time Nintendo fan, that’s sad that they seem just dead set against evolving with the times.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t think there’s anything particularly wrong with re-using the same formula. Each new Zelda game has enough creativity and originality in it’s world, it’s characters and it’s level design that it’s completely unfair to call it “same old, same old” just because the gameplay is the same. Even then, there’s always new tools and gameplay elements that make it fresh enough.

    That being said, Nintendo REALLY need to start making new IP’s for gamers. The last new one was…Pikmin? Kind of ridiculous. The whole of E3 was just sequels, remakes and even a few ripoffs.

    A disappointing amount of bias and hypocrisy here, but Spoony would probably have to start murdering new born babies before I stop liking him.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cado-Folust/100001915342551 Cado Folust

      Why? Have you ever been around babies? Those guys are dicks. 

    • http://twitter.com/RocMegamanX RocMegamanX

      If they did make new IPs, how can they even be sure that people will BUY them?

      They’ve utilized other IPs in the past, like Starfy for DS and Wario Land:Shake It for Wii and Wario: Master of Disguise. From what I’ve heard, neither have sold that well.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Tyrone-Salters/100000536336295 Tyrone Salters

    In defense of Nintendo: Why fix what isn’t broken. I know the answer is “cause if it isn’t broken it’s gotta be worn out” but lets look at Sonic for a minute, Sega has pulled every trick out of the hat to make Sonic “new and hip” and what happens, fans and critics alike dump all over to the point where the only way Sonic can move forward is to go all the way back to the days he was on equal tier with Mario. On top of that how can you evolve timeless franchises without the fans crying. Point is before I ramble too long is Nintendo don’t want to, nor cash wise have no reason to leave the comfort zone, the fans want Mario, Zelda, Metroid and Kirby, we are going to give them Mario, Zelda, Medroid and Kirby and as long as its good and people buy it, why stop.
    And slightly against Nintendo: Kenji Inafune did leave Capcom cause he said that the Japanese game industry was getting staler and staler, so you might have a point, but if your going to be bias against Nintendo, then Sega, Konami, Capcom, Square-Enix and all the other old school companies also gotta be in your cross-hairs

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Tyrone-Salters/100000536336295 Tyrone Salters

    In defense of Nintendo: Why fix what isn’t broken. I know the answer is “cause if it isn’t broken it’s gotta be worn out” but lets look at Sonic for a minute, Sega has pulled every trick out of the hat to make Sonic “new and hip” and what happens, fans and critics alike dump all over to the point where the only way Sonic can move forward is to go all the way back to the days he was on equal tier with Mario. On top of that how can you evolve timeless franchises without the fans crying. Point is before I ramble too long is Nintendo don’t want to, nor cash wise have no reason to leave the comfort zone, the fans want Mario, Zelda, Metroid and Kirby, we are going to give them Mario, Zelda, Medroid and Kirby and as long as its good and people buy it, why stop.
    And slightly against Nintendo: Kenji Inafune did leave Capcom cause he said that the Japanese game industry was getting staler and staler, so you might have a point, but if your going to be bias against Nintendo, then Sega, Konami, Capcom, Square-Enix and all the other old school companies also gotta be in your cross-hairs

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Tyrone-Salters/100000536336295 Tyrone Salters

    In defense of Nintendo: Why fix what isn’t broken. I know the answer is “cause if it isn’t broken it’s gotta be worn out” but lets look at Sonic for a minute, Sega has pulled every trick out of the hat to make Sonic “new and hip” and what happens, fans and critics alike dump all over to the point where the only way Sonic can move forward is to go all the way back to the days he was on equal tier with Mario. On top of that how can you evolve timeless franchises without the fans crying. Point is before I ramble too long is Nintendo don’t want to, nor cash wise have no reason to leave the comfort zone, the fans want Mario, Zelda, Metroid and Kirby, we are going to give them Mario, Zelda, Medroid and Kirby and as long as its good and people buy it, why stop.
    And slightly against Nintendo: Kenji Inafune did leave Capcom cause he said that the Japanese game industry was getting staler and staler, so you might have a point, but if your going to be bias against Nintendo, then Sega, Konami, Capcom, Square-Enix and all the other old school companies also gotta be in your cross-hairs

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Justin-Sheades/1357200981 Justin Sheades

      Oh trust me, if you go on his twitter and watch some of his other videos, they are.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Kevin-Fumero/100000153843491 Kevin Fumero

    Spoony, people love their franchises. You want to continue the Elder Scroll, Mass Effect and Batman franchises because they are so much fun to play. Same thing with the Nintendo franchises. I’m sorry you couldn’t grow up loving them; you really are missing something special. 

    As for the Wii U, people are hesitant to jump the gun and get hyped about it because of how underwhelming the Wii was. However, this is a real system now and its utilizing a control that can change the landscape of gaming as we know it for good. 

    I don’t know, if you have any beef with Nintendo then just take it up with James Rolfe.  

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Kevin-Fumero/100000153843491 Kevin Fumero

    Spoony, people love their franchises. You want to continue the Elder Scroll, Mass Effect and Batman franchises because they are so much fun to play. Same thing with the Nintendo franchises. I’m sorry you couldn’t grow up loving them; you really are missing something special. 

    As for the Wii U, people are hesitant to jump the gun and get hyped about it because of how underwhelming the Wii was. However, this is a real system now and its utilizing a control that can change the landscape of gaming as we know it for good. 

    I don’t know, if you have any beef with Nintendo then just take it up with James Rolfe.  

  • Anonymous

    It’s fine that Spoony isn’t a fan of the Zelda series, but saying that little things like doing away with the entire overworld in place of a vast ocean, or actually having 1:1 control over your inventory rather than button/gesture control are equivalent to “dangling keys” seems a lot like a cop-out dismissal in place of backing up his opinion with a good, analytical reason as to why these games are still “the same” when they aren’t.  I’m a fan of the Zelda series because, while they do stick with a formula that works, they also consistently change things up enough to keep it interesting. 

  • https://profiles.google.com/110236142334866944840/about/edit/d?np=1&hl=en CSDragon

    Waiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit.

    Spoony….

    Compare Zelda’s sequels…

    to Ultima’s.

    >_>

    Literally the same thing. It’s nearly the same game each time with different level design and a tacked on story, and yet you bought all 9 plus the spinoffs.

    Basically, you never seem to have gotten into Zelda, but imagine if they were up there talking about a new Ultima. Your reaction would be the same as ours was for Zelda.

    • http://spoonyexperiment.com The Spoony One

      Dude, every single Ultima game is completely different than the one before it.
      Every.
      Single.
      One.

      With the exception of Black Gate and Serpent Isle (which are two parts of one game), EVERY SINGLE Ultima game is built on an entirely new gameplay engine and contains very different elements, not to mention the fact they told a much more compelling story than the Zelda games do now.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cado-Folust/100001915342551 Cado Folust

        I don’t know, man. Watching your videos they all look very similar. I can’t speak from experience because I didn’t grow up with them but it’s hard to tell one from the other.

        Story wise, yeah. They’re definitely more in-depth, you’d have to have the brain of a trout not to see it. Looking at how they actually play… I’m not seeing it. 

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=531543828 Pablo Contreras

        Switch the words “Ultima” and “Zelda” in Spoony’s comment. Woah.

        Where are the Ultima games now Spoony?

        Just asking.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=531543828 Pablo Contreras

        Switch the words “Ultima” and “Zelda” in Spoony’s comment. Woah.

        Where are the Ultima games now Spoony?

        Just asking.

      • http://twitter.com/RocMegamanX RocMegamanX

        To be fair, Nintendo has yet to reach into the MMORPG market like Ultima did, but then if they did, they’d probably be crushed by World of Warcraft instantly.

        What exactly could they even make it about anyway? They can’t base it in the Mario universe…or can they? Huh…there’s an idea. Choose between humanoid plumber, Goomba, Koopa, Magikoopa, Birdo, Shy Guy, or Toad and then customize their appearance and abilities. Paper Mario MMORPG…

        But then, do you want to waste years upon years leveling your character up when millions of people already do that on WoW? And if some people weren’t already sick of seeing Mario or the Mushroom Kingdom or Sarasaland or Delfino Plaza or wherever Rosalina is in the galaxy, they probably would be then.

  • https://profiles.google.com/110236142334866944840/about/edit/d?np=1&hl=en CSDragon

    Waiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit.

    Spoony….

    Compare Zelda’s sequels…

    to Ultima’s.

    >_>

    Literally the same thing. It’s nearly the same game each time with different level design and a tacked on story, and yet you bought all 9 plus the spinoffs.

    Basically, you never seem to have gotten into Zelda, but imagine if they were up there talking about a new Ultima. Your reaction would be the same as ours was for Zelda.

  • http://www.facebook.com/EternalSonata2010 Anthony Valunas

    I just wanted to say…Wow. You hit the nail on the head.Like you said at the end of the video, it felt like Nintendo’s time to really step up this year. To change the face of gaming and be truly innovative like they were in the 90s. 

    Instead, we got a presentation that was so ironically non-Nintendo: N64 ports on the 3DS (which also contains a fatal butchering of a long-awaited Pilotwings re-launch where they just turned it into a dumbed-down version of Wii Sports Resort, which alone speaks VOLUMES about the direction they’re heading in), a slightly upgraded Wii with a U on the end, that has “HD Graphics” that look like they’re still trying to play catch-up to what the PS3 and XBox 360 have been doing for the past couple years, with a re-release of New Super Mario Bros. Wii where you can play with your Mii, Zelda: Ocarina of Time Part VI – Skyward Sword, and…Lego City Stories. 

    How can anyone honestly be excited about this? All they’re doing is slapping a new coat of paint on the same games we’ve been playing for the last 10+ years while making new motion-controlled games with a twist to make them appear “innovative”. And by “twist”, I mean “gimmick”. And by “innovative”, I mean “No.”

    I never thought Nintendo would put on a conference that was as bad as Microsoft’s. Now if you’ll excuse me, I’m going to fire up my NES, SNES, and N64 emulators to remember the good times, and breathe a heavy sigh of disappointment.

    • Anonymous

      Haha, you’re tired of rehashes of NES, SNES and N64 games, so to get away from that you’re going to go play NES, SNES and N64 games?

      Makes sense to me! :D

      • http://www.facebook.com/EternalSonata2010 Anthony Valunas

        Why should I buy new consoles to play what amounts to remakes of the original games when I can just play the original games I grew up with and enjoyed as a child?

        It’s just an opinion, I’m not attacking Nintendo die-hards or anything. If you want a Wii U and/or a 3DS, go for it. Enjoy it! As others are saying, gaming in general seems to be getting more and more stale, or maybe I’m just becoming a grump old fogey that adores his 8-bit sprites and blast processing! =)

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cado-Folust/100001915342551 Cado Folust

      The hardware specs are where things get interesting, and I’m sure that’ll factor into their pricing strategy as well. If this were a year or two ago, something exactly on par with the 360 and PS3 would have been more than passable, but now we’ve entered into the twilight of the current cycle and it’s pretty much guaranteed Sony and Microsoft will launch new platforms within 2-3 years of the Wii U’s release. 

      I could see Nintendo releasing far more powerful hardware than its competitors at a premium for the first part of the console’s life and then dropping the price to be on par with whatever the next gen offerings are when they hit the market. That gives Nintendo time to build a library of software, create an install-base through early adopters, and get developers used to working with the console. It would be a major leg up over their competition if they could pull it off.

      Of course you could cite the PS3 and how much its price tag hurt it when it came out, but I honestly think that’s not where Sony botched it. The problem is that it was $600 dollars against a far cheaper machine with similar capabilities and year’s worth of games. If Sony had come out of the gate first and then lowered the price to stay competitive it would be a very different ballgame right now. 

      I don’t know if it would be smart for Nintendo to attempt something like that but they almost have to if this console isn’t going to peter out when the next generation is in full swing.

  • http://www.facebook.com/EternalSonata2010 Anthony Valunas

    I just wanted to say…Wow. You hit the nail on the head.Like you said at the end of the video, it felt like Nintendo’s time to really step up this year. To change the face of gaming and be truly innovative like they were in the 90s. 

    Instead, we got a presentation that was so ironically non-Nintendo: N64 ports on the 3DS (which also contains a fatal butchering of a long-awaited Pilotwings re-launch where they just turned it into a dumbed-down version of Wii Sports Resort, which alone speaks VOLUMES about the direction they’re heading in), a slightly upgraded Wii with a U on the end, that has “HD Graphics” that look like they’re still trying to play catch-up to what the PS3 and XBox 360 have been doing for the past couple years, with a re-release of New Super Mario Bros. Wii where you can play with your Mii, Zelda: Ocarina of Time Part VI – Skyward Sword, and…Lego City Stories. 

    How can anyone honestly be excited about this? All they’re doing is slapping a new coat of paint on the same games we’ve been playing for the last 10+ years while making new motion-controlled games with a twist to make them appear “innovative”. And by “twist”, I mean “gimmick”. And by “innovative”, I mean “No.”

    I never thought Nintendo would put on a conference that was as bad as Microsoft’s. Now if you’ll excuse me, I’m going to fire up my NES, SNES, and N64 emulators to remember the good times, and breathe a heavy sigh of disappointment.

  • http://twitter.com/Virus513 guess for request

    I strongly agree 

  • http://twitter.com/Virus513 guess for request

    I strongly agree 

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Christopher-Alden/100000469737019 Christopher Alden

    I find it hilarious how you cry about how stale Zelda is and how every game’s the same right after you cream your jeans over yet another Elder Scrolls.

    • http://twitter.com/Andrexx774 Andrexx

      The difference is Elder Scrolls has real innovation.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Zach-Mireles/100002180743543 Zach Mireles

        ^ What Andrexx said. ^ 

      • Anonymous

        Right, and so does Zelda.

      • Anonymous

         You forgot TES also has only had 5 official games since 1994, whereas Zelda has had 17 since 1986.

        So 1 TES game every 3.4 years verses  1 Zelda game ever 1.47.

        Damn those pesky facts…

        Also, no one played The Elder Scroll: Arena, because PC gaming in 1994 was almost non-existent. TES 2: Daggerfall was really more of a full introduction to the TES universe, which would make it more like 1 TES every 3.75 years if you use Daggerfall’s 1996 release date.

        Again… DAMN YOU MATHMATICS!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Justin-Sheades/1357200981 Justin Sheades

    I will say this much though, if Nintendo wants to keep me as a Zelda fan then they really need to find a new recurring antagonist, because I am sick. And. Tired of Ganondorf. I seriously want to see them introduce a new recurring enemy for Link to fight, you know like Vaati was for Four Swords? hell, use him! it’s been what, 4 years? Three since we last saw him?

    • Anonymous

      Yeah, I really hope they don’t have a big reveal half way through Skyward Sword where Ganondorf is the big bad. Even if he’s not the big bad, Skyward Sword most definitely does have a new antagonist:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=m1Z-P-RBzmw#at=211

      • http://twitter.com/Yadokingu Moritz

        Well since syward sword is set well before OoT and Ganondorf was born only a few years before OoT, they better not shoehorn him in somehow.

  • Anonymous

    I agree that Skyward Sword is similiar to previous Zelda games, but nintendo is more original, and more of a risk taker than you think. Remember Other M? Like it or not, giving Team Ninja the lead, completely re-writing Samus’s character and yanking the franchise out of first person shooting when the genre has never been more popular is a risk. And weather or not you think so Spoony, Wind Waker was a risk. Completely reinventing the feel of Zelda struck a chord with some. What do these two instances have in common? They both show that when Nintendo does change things up, people only bitch about how its different. So they go with Ocarina and Mario 64 again and again. And people still complain. What can they do to please you? And other new IP’s in the last decade include Pikmin, Eternal Darkness, Trace Memory, Captain Rainbow, Disaster Day of Crisis, The Last Story, Xenoblade, Pandora’s Tower, and Fatal Frame. The problem isn’t lack of creativity, but a lack of localization, which Nintendo doesn’t want to innovate with their software, because everyone outside of Japan hates nintendo for not innovating with their software.  Its kinda the chicken and the egg thing. If people would get past the “oh boo hoo its kiddy and the graphics suck” mentality, and actually showed support and demanded more from nintendo, (by which I mean comment on something other then major franchises and let them know you would be willing to buy and praise new IP’s) they would likely bring these games over here, as well as change up their established series.

    But lets say that Spoony is completely right, and Nintendo has done absolutely nothing innovative or exciting since the N64. How is that any different from what Microsoft and Sony right now? Halo has been exactly the same since 2001, Uncharted is quickly turining into a milked franchise for Sony, Gears of War 3 is the same as 1 and 2 with slightly enhanced graphical effects, Call of Duty has been the same since 2007, Twisted Metal is the same with better graphics online and helicopters, and I could go on and on. And lets not even count the number of Sci-fi/modern warfare themed FPS’s these days. Seriously, Medal of Honor, Cod, and Battlefield are almost hte exact same game. And even games that differ asthetically are similiar in gameplay. These problems are only more noticable with Nintendo because their franchises have been going for 20+ years each. If Uncharted, Halo, Gears, Call of Duty, The Elder Scrolls, God of War, and every other major modern franchise received a sequel every 2 years or so for 20 years, it would probably be stale as well.

    Im not mad in any way at Spoony. You’re entitled to your opinion, and you have been gaming longer than I have, so you may have more validity to your opinion, but as a reviewer/guy covering E3, you have to be more open minded. There’s having a distaste for something, but then there’s completely blocking out the entire works of a major company because they aren’t the greatest thing since sliced bread. But whatever. Rant over. I hope you had a great time at E3, hope your travels were safe and your heath wasn’t a concern. Looking forward to more videos. :)

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cado-Folust/100001915342551 Cado Folust

      I think it comes down to two things:

      1. Nintendo relies on its in-house IPs far more than either Sony or Microsoft do. Those guys have some powerful brands but nothing on the scale of Zelda, Metroid, or Mario. 

      2. Neither of them have been in the game as long as Nintendo has so they haven’t had the chance to keep their franchises going for over a decade.

      In short: Nintendo is a much bigger target. And hey, I respect Spoony’s opinion to the extent that I think he actually wants to see them do something mind-blowing, and personally I’d say Nintendo has more of a chance of pulling it off than either of the other two. Christ, Microsoft’s big thing right now is copying Nintendo. That says a lot.

  • Anonymous

    I agree that Skyward Sword is similiar to previous Zelda games, but nintendo is more original, and more of a risk taker than you think. Remember Other M? Like it or not, giving Team Ninja the lead, completely re-writing Samus’s character and yanking the franchise out of first person shooting when the genre has never been more popular is a risk. And weather or not you think so Spoony, Wind Waker was a risk. Completely reinventing the feel of Zelda struck a chord with some. What do these two instances have in common? They both show that when Nintendo does change things up, people only bitch about how its different. So they go with Ocarina and Mario 64 again and again. And people still complain. What can they do to please you? And other new IP’s in the last decade include Pikmin, Eternal Darkness, Trace Memory, Captain Rainbow, Disaster Day of Crisis, The Last Story, Xenoblade, Pandora’s Tower, and Fatal Frame. The problem isn’t lack of creativity, but a lack of localization, which Nintendo doesn’t want to innovate with their software, because everyone outside of Japan hates nintendo for not innovating with their software.  Its kinda the chicken and the egg thing. If people would get past the “oh boo hoo its kiddy and the graphics suck” mentality, and actually showed support and demanded more from nintendo, (by which I mean comment on something other then major franchises and let them know you would be willing to buy and praise new IP’s) they would likely bring these games over here, as well as change up their established series.

    But lets say that Spoony is completely right, and Nintendo has done absolutely nothing innovative or exciting since the N64. How is that any different from what Microsoft and Sony right now? Halo has been exactly the same since 2001, Uncharted is quickly turining into a milked franchise for Sony, Gears of War 3 is the same as 1 and 2 with slightly enhanced graphical effects, Call of Duty has been the same since 2007, Twisted Metal is the same with better graphics online and helicopters, and I could go on and on. And lets not even count the number of Sci-fi/modern warfare themed FPS’s these days. Seriously, Medal of Honor, Cod, and Battlefield are almost hte exact same game. And even games that differ asthetically are similiar in gameplay. These problems are only more noticable with Nintendo because their franchises have been going for 20+ years each. If Uncharted, Halo, Gears, Call of Duty, The Elder Scrolls, God of War, and every other major modern franchise received a sequel every 2 years or so for 20 years, it would probably be stale as well.

    Im not mad in any way at Spoony. You’re entitled to your opinion, and you have been gaming longer than I have, so you may have more validity to your opinion, but as a reviewer/guy covering E3, you have to be more open minded. There’s having a distaste for something, but then there’s completely blocking out the entire works of a major company because they aren’t the greatest thing since sliced bread. But whatever. Rant over. I hope you had a great time at E3, hope your travels were safe and your heath wasn’t a concern. Looking forward to more videos. :)

  • Anonymous

    I pretty much think gaming has hit a plateau; as Spoony mentioned in the second video, Sony and Microsoft failed to bring anything new to the table. All I see now on the PS3 or X-Box 360 is the typical (space) marine/covert ops pap or sci-fi fare that is getting stale even quicker than Zelda could ever hope, hence I’m quick to dismiss it.

    Then again, we humans are creatures of habit and we (usually) start complaining when a company pushes its series into unfamiliar territory. Anyone remember Zelda II: Link’s Adventure? Though not a bad game by any means, I heard stories of fans complaining about how it deviated too far from the series formula. For crissakes, the Mega Man series went through eight games with no incredible tweaks to the formula before it took a hiatus then returned in force over a decade later with the ninth and tenth installments to great fanfare. 

    Damn, the reason why Nintendo keeps retreading their classics is because there are people who enjoy it and it sells. Nintendo is a business that specializes in providing us distraction from the crushing reality of the real world so I can’t fault them for that. If you don’t like their practices then don’t reward them with your hard-earned or ill-begotten dollars.

  • Anonymous

    Spoony, you are awesome and you have my utmost respect as a fellow gamer. I do agree with a lot about what you said with Nintendo, Zelda, the WiiU and so on, however I also disagree with a lot about what you said.
    Yes, Nintendo does tend to milk their titles for all they are worth and Zelda is no exception. There are a TON of Zelda games out there and a lot of them are VERY similar to each other. Surprisingly my first proper Zelda game was probably Twilight Princess (minus Minish cap) so I’m probably more tolerant with the Zelda games. I’ve played Pokemon a lot longer and I can tell you that it feels like Nintendo is milking that franchise even more than Zelda. My last Pokemon game was Soul Silver before I decided that I wasn’t going to buy White, which I didn’t.
    I can definitely understand though that the Nintendo formula is repetitive for some people. I know that you have expressed that to us on multiple occasions. I think though that I might buy Skyward Sword though only because of this: I haven’t played a Zelda game since Twilight Princess. I didn’t buy Phantom Hourglass (I played like maybe two hours on the one my brother bought before I put it down) and I barely glanced at spirit tracks before saying the exact same thing that you said, Spoony.
    The reason why I might buy Skyward Sword is because… well, I just feel like playing a Zelda game again. It’s been a long time since I last played a Zelda game and I feel for some Dodongo bombing (don’t really care if I spelled the name right though). I might do the same when I feel like playing Pokemon again in five years’ time.
    Again, like I said I MIGHT pick it up. I might. It’s like a 60/40 chance I’ll pick it up.
    I do know where you are coming from and I do understand what you are saying and I agree. The only thing different is probably because I’m a little more forgiving and I haven’t played Zelda in a long time. I highly agree with you though that Nintendo needs to come out with new stuff because I haven’t bought anything from them since… shoot I don’t know when. Pikmin was awesome when they made that. Make new stuff like that and I’d re-tag Nintendo as the greatest video game company ever.
    I think I know why Nintendo is re-releasing Zelda Ocarina of Time. It’s probably for the people who haven’t played Ocarina of Time. If you played Ocarina of Time, don’t buy it. It’s not aimed for you (unless you are a huge Zelda fan and would buy anything with the name “Zelda” on the title)
    I got to say that I’m interested in the WiiU. Interested as to what it could do, what it could be, and how it could evolve gaming. Again I don’t know if the WiiU will do this, however I am interested in the possibilities that it could bring us. I’m interested in the idea of a console that you can switch screens on if your parents want to watch TV. You can continue on playing videogames and your parents will be able to watch TV. It would be a neat idea for multiplayer shooters at home where you can have your individual screens and know that the other guy isn’t cheating by looking into your screen (and no more split screen, which is a plus). When I was in a dorm in college my roommate would continually play gears of war with the sound blasting while I was trying to sleep for tomorrow. If you had something like the WiiU you can plug your headphones into it (does it come with an earphone jack?) and continue playing while not disturbing anybody else. And I like Benzaie’s reason “So when I need to take a dump, I can take it with me and continue playing while I take a dump”. I’m joking with Benzaie’s reason. And not only that but I can play the big name games like Arkham City too?
    Awesome.
    Of course, I don’t know if the WiiU and/or developers will take advantage of the hardware or if the hardware will deliver. These are just the things that I’m thinking that it could do with the information that was provided to me from varying sources (including you, Spoony). Just color me intrigued with Nintendo’s new console. They haven’t sold me a console yet, but I am remaining optimistic.

    Always a fan Spoony! Keep those E3 videos coming!

  • http://www.facebook.com/WiseDuck André Romsi

    Spoony still doesn’t like Nintendo? What a surprise. I was skeptical of SS for a while, but it really looks like it’s going to be a great game with lots of unique ideas. It looks nothing like past Zeldas, sure, same formula at the bottom of it but everything else seems to be completely different. And at least the WiiU is trying to do something different. For **** sake, MS and Sony did not bring ANYTHING new to the table this year.

    • http://UnholyFireDragon.com Unholy Fire Dragon

      I think Spoony’s just so obsessed with dealing with complex stories, that he’ll be completely bored with playing something with the same story and character path, no matter if practically everything else is different (game-play, presentation, etc.).

    • http://UnholyFireDragon.com Unholy Fire Dragon

      I think Spoony’s just so obsessed with dealing with complex stories, that he’ll be completely bored with playing something with the same story and character path, no matter if practically everything else is different (game-play, presentation, etc.).

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jason-Guardino/579266632 Jason Guardino

    I agree with you on this one Spoony.  Ocarina of Time was one of my favorite games of all time.  I’d probably put it somewhere on a top 5 list if I ever made one.  But FFS I am not spending $249.99 on a 3DS and then another $39.99 on the OOT game!  I’m not stupid enough to spend nearly $300 on a game I played for countless hours already back in 1997! I don’t care if it’s in 3d!

    This isn’t fair to gamers.  It seems that Nintendo is trying to exploit the Nostalgia of their loyal fanbase while sprinkling 3d and motion controls to further deceive the fans just so they can earn more profits.

    PS – I’m surprised no one has commented on to it yet but is it just me or is Nintendo trying to capitalize on the popularity and hype of the Ipad with the Wii U controller?

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=531543828 Pablo Contreras

      Why are you complaining about a remake of a game that you don’t need to buy?

      Obviously some people will be “stupid” enough to buy it again, since Nintendo is remaking it. Deceiving the fans? OoT in 3d on a portable console. That’s what I want, that’s what I’ll get. I don’t see how I’m being deceived here.

      PS – No one commented on it because the Wii U controller does nothing an Ipad does.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=531543828 Pablo Contreras

      Why are you complaining about a remake of a game that you don’t need to buy?

      Obviously some people will be “stupid” enough to buy it again, since Nintendo is remaking it. Deceiving the fans? OoT in 3d on a portable console. That’s what I want, that’s what I’ll get. I don’t see how I’m being deceived here.

      PS – No one commented on it because the Wii U controller does nothing an Ipad does.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ULUK3HNFCHM6ZAJOVACZ3YQDZA Hathor Liderc

    Holy crap! That WAS JewWario that I saw!

    Sorry I couldn’t run into you, Spoony! Would’ve loved to hang with you if you weren’t busy.

    As
    for Nintendo, yeah, they were pretty meh, but honestly, they were a
    hell of a lot better than Microsoft and Sony this year. One of my
    favorite games on the 3DS was the new Mario Kart, in which they
    implemented kart customization as well as being able to encounter
    different kinds of terrain of each course, like driving underwater and
    even being able to glide in the air. As for OoT3D and Star Fox, I’m one
    of those few people who has played the games before, but have never
    owned any of them. To me, it seems like a nice opportunity to grab a
    remastered copy. Lastly, with the Wii-U, the tech looks nice, but it’s
    what Nintendo will do with it that scares me.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1752141987 Frank Han

    hard to believe people still thinking nintendo win in every conference (no offense! I love twilight princess.) btw Wii U is just a slightly bigger version of NDS.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=531543828 Pablo Contreras

      Just like the Ipad is a slightly bigger Iphone huh?

  • Anonymous

    Be careful with the Nintendo fanboys Spoony,
    they will go on RAGE mode if you dare to badmouth anything
    new that Nintendo puts out….

    as for me, I’m kinda tired of Nintendo at this point.
    The Wii U looks kinda Meh.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Roler-Dark/100000545592088 Roler Dark

      dude, after the whole thing with the final fantasy fanboys, i don’t think spoony fears any other rabid fanbase xD

  • Tyler Compton

    I see where your coming from here with your whole talk about nintendo, but in their defense, does the WiiU really look like a console concentrated on motion control? I don’t really think so personally, not as much as the Wii. Also, as far as new ideas are concerned, look at the competing consoles. I don’t see Sony or Microsoft trying hardly anything that hasn’t been tried before. I’m not saying their bad consoles, but you at least have to give Nintendo credit for going beyond just the average console ideas. I think one of the reasons you don’t like what their doing is just that movement controls aren’t your thing, which is fine, but other people enjoy them more then you do. As far as 3D is concerned, on the 3DS it’s optional, and on the WiiU it isn’t even there. I completely agree with what you said about Legend of Zelda and other nintendo series’ however. Nintendo really does rely too much on existing franchises. Personally, I enjoy the sequels, but that’s just me.

    • dennett316

      It IS very much motion control based, all those gyroscopes were added to the new controller for a reason.  Also, Nintendo are looking at there only being one Wiiu controller per console (according to Mr Myamoto) with multiplayer games so far showing one person with the new remote while everyone else uses Wii controllers.
      I think the Wii U has potential, but they’re still pandering to all the casual gamers they managed to snare with the Wii and are desperate to keep them…so motion controls are here to stay for Nintendo.  They are trying to please both camps by giving the controller traditional elements, but it looks like two player on the same console is a bit of an after thought beyond “one gamer uses the wiiu remote for this task, the others use wii remotes to perform a different task”.

      The industry as a whole is out of new ideas, and the hardcore audience just isn’t enough to sustain a console with the sort of power this, and the next gen, have.  How many studios have been forced to close due to sky high development costs these last few years?
      The casual market is where it’s at – hence the push of the Kinect by MS.

      • Tyler Compton

        Well yes, but on the WiiU remote specifically, you won’t be able to wave that around to the extent that the Wiimote is built for.
        I actually didn’t know about the one wiiu remote per console thing. I really hope it doesn’t end up that way. They should make WiiU remotes without the screen for all the other players.
        I think the industry will find more new ideas when some form of newer technology beyond higher graphical power is given to them. Think about the rise of 3d rendering and how that unlocked possibilities. The problem is that for 3 generations, the only real improvement to next consoles were higher processing and memory etc.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jonathan-Avery-Sicard/100000675112081 Jonathan Avery Sicard

    Lol, PHOTOBOMBED!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jonathan-Avery-Sicard/100000675112081 Jonathan Avery Sicard

    Lol, PHOTOBOMBED!

  • Anonymous

    Finally, SOMEONE with the balls to call Nintendo out for the bullshit rehashing they do. I’m totally with you, I have NO IDEA how people can play the same game over and over again, but that’s all Nintendo fans seem to want.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mitch-Ziems/618737970 Mitch Ziems

      I’m with you there. So glad someone said it instead of just going ‘meh’. It’s gimmicky, gaudy rubbish. Furthermore, the WiiU goes backwards. Only one new control per console, no unified online tech, still primarily controlled by Wiimotes and a bunch of the same old games for both the WiiU and 3DS.

      As someone who has had nothing but problems with my PS3 since I bought it in 2007 (my original one at least, I’m now on PS3 #6) I had come to hope that the WiiU would offer me something that would make it a decent bridging console to the true next gen. I’m disappointed, and, honestly, bored by everything Nintendo does these days.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Sean-Washington/100001096188318 Sean Washington

    I think a huge point is simply being missed here by the Spoonyone. I understand that he dislikes the Nintendo’s design philosophy and is generally un-excited about it and that’s fine. His opinions are his own, but this was just a poor report about Nintendo. A lot of sensational remarks displaying his opinions, but not an accurate report of what Nintendo is doing and why it’s important.

    I’m disappointed that Spoony has again refused to approach E3 with the open mind I thought he would and I expected a better report about what Nintendo was doing but instead was greeted with another rage filled rant with no substance.

    • Anonymous

      I like to think of Spoony’s E3 videos as editorials. If you want unbiased reporting, there’s plenty of other sources available. Blistered thumbs for one.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Sean-Washington/100001096188318 Sean Washington

        Even editorials can have some substance of humility behind it. But these are not, they are as quoted above “elitist” comments more in common of a internet forum troll than it is of an open minded columnist.

    • Anonymous

      Agreed. Spoony is not a gamer. He’s an elitist. And elitists are what is killing the gaming community and only making the industry worse.

      As I’ve said before, anyone who uses that argument against Nintendo’s franchises stagnating is a retarded piece of shit who hasn’t even paid one bit of attention to Halo, CoD, and every other FPS out there.

      Considering the alternatives, I’ll take new Zelda over new FPS, new FPS, new FPS, ect. Whether Spoony (or Yahtzee too for that matter since he’s beaten that dead horse even more) wants to admit it or not: the whole “every Zelda is the same” or “Wind Waker’s art style is just bells and whistles” is flat out wrong. I’ve played Wind Waker, it is nothing like Ocarina of Time. The closest he got right was Twilight Princess’ wolf gimmick.

      From here on out, I am reffering to Spoony as Yahtzee Jr. Because that’s what he’s devolved into: one big Yahtzee wannabe. 

  • Anonymous

    I’m with you on Nintendo for the most part.  When I heard the details about the new console, I got excited about its potential…only to be sorely disappointed when I saw the controller design.  I can not get over the tablet design.  I hate this whole tablet trend going on right now, and the design just seems like Nintendo’s attempt to cash in on tablets.  I’d like to blame Apple, but it’s probably more appropriate to blame the zombie consumer market that bought into that lame concept.

    As for Zelda, I think you’re looking at it the wrong way.  Zelda’s not really about storytelling or continuity.  It’s simply about adventure, no more, no less.  Each Zelda game is its own contained adventure.  If they were any different, it wouldn’t be Zelda anymore.  When I play Zelda, I don’t look for innovation, I look for the same kind of fun adventure that Zelda always offered, hoping it captures the magic of the original games in its prime.  I’m not a Zelda fanboy or anything, but I have to recognize what Zelda really is and isn’t.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Roman-Monaghan/100000507912679 Roman Monaghan

    While I find it difficult to disagree with anything, I’m still excited for at the very least the new Zelda and Paper Mario games. Everything else sucks, but I am so going for those two. “Is there an original thought knocking around inside their heads, has there been one for the last ten years?” Nope. “3D and motion controls are bad ideas that contribute nothing to my gaming experience except frustration and migraines, that only make gaming a more awkward and clumsy experience” Completely agree, the sooner motion controls are out the window the better off everything will be. I’m still rather excited for the new Zelda though, but I know it’s still the same old stuff that has been recycled since Ocarina of Time. The good thing is, Ocarina of time was good, and so has everything that has ripped it off since then. It may be the same old shlock year after year, but at least its quality shlock that’s fun to play. I understand being cynical and heartbroken by how unoriginal it is, but as long as the game is fun that’s the important part. I’d appreciate a good story and continuity, but it isn’t needed, especually if that would confuse the monkeys up at Nintendo and screw up the product at large. There IS something to complain about, and someone SHOULD complain about it, and maybe I’m just adding to the problem, but I’m still buying that shit the day it comes out.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Calvin-Jarchow/1131125364 Calvin Jarchow

    No point in repeating what has already been said about original content. I love Legend of Zelda, like, a lot but I also can’t deny that they keep repackaging OoT. And it is because of the gimickiness that I have been playing mostly old games. I don’t have a 360 or PS3 and don’t feel compelled to play Call of Duty or Halo so I can get murdered dozens of times by 12 year olds who tea-bag my corpse or hardcore players who spend their lives on the network and scream noob at me because I can’t do things exactly right. I guess I got a little off topic. I’m bitter and cynical sometimes. Someday I’ll have a PC that can run Mass Effect and Deus Ex but not yet.

  • http://twitter.com/86TheJehuty M.A Ajab

    I lol’d at the photobombers , especially when JewWario tried to block one ! XD

    and yes , E3 this year wasn’t that special , aside from the the PSVita and Wii U announcements , it’s either showing off more motion control bullshit (Kinect and Move) or announcing more sequels , with little to no new IPs that aren’t even that interesting.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Josh-Taylor/523378875 Josh Taylor

    Y’know, Arkham City and a ton of other 360 games and whatnot are coming to the Wii U.

    And most of us Nintendo Fanboys or whatever you call us hate the motion control and gimmick bullcrap as well but we have to deal with it or we won’t be able to play the new games I’m sure we’ll like that we’d like more if we didn’t have to flail ourselves around to play them. I liked Donkey Kong Country Returns more or less but the first thing I did was find a code that let me rewire the controls to the classic controller.

    Ocarina of Time was ported ONCE to the Gamecube and was then offered as a port on the virtual console for the Wii. The 3DS is complete overhaul of the game, I’ll be getting a 3DS when the price goes down but I won’t be using the 3D. I’ve hated 3D since it was first invented and I’ll hate it til the day I die, 3D, touchscreens and motion controls all need to be bombed.

    • Tansunn

      Twice to GameCube, actually.  Once along with the Master Quest, once in the Collector’s Disc which included LoZ, AoL, MM, and a WW demo.

    • Tansunn

      Twice to GameCube, actually.  Once along with the Master Quest, once in the Collector’s Disc which included LoZ, AoL, MM, and a WW demo.

    • Anonymous

      “Y’know, Arkham City and a ton of other 360 games and whatnot are coming to the Wii U.”

      That’s a shame. I already own a 360, and a PS3. No need to buy a new console then. More money for games!

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=59504418 Andrew Christianson

      What’s so bad about the touch screen? It’s been a great addition on the DS, other than a few mis-steps, usually from third party programmers.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Josh-Taylor/523378875 Josh Taylor

    Also if you bothered to give Luigi’s Mansion a chance you’d see that it was awesome, its one of my favourite games. Its annoying that the much deserved sequel is going onto the 3DS instead of the home console but I’m sure if its half the game Luigi’s Mansion was it’ll be great.

  • http://www.youtube.com/thefaustianman Faust

    Who is that guy on the left. I just don’t like him. He seems like a real punk! And he’s clueless about PC Games! He probably likes Privateer 2!

  • http://twitter.com/gamepopper Tim Stoddard

    Well it’s not surprising to see Spoony bitch about Nintendo the same way everyone bitches about the EA Sports games. At least Nintendo explore new ideas through their games and give gamers what they want, and everyone loves Ocarina of Time.

    Heck, I can’t tell the difference between Oblivion and Skyrim, or Mass Effect 1, 2 and 3 other than Bells and Whistles.

    • http://www.youtube.com/deathwing107 deathwing107

      When you actually play the games you’ll notice the difference. I’ve played the games Nintendo has to offer on the Wii currently and it really feels all too familiar. I’ve stopped buying Wii titles because I don’t have the time or the money to buy what is essentially the same game I’ve been playing since the NES, SNES, or N64 days, just with a new coat of paint. It only appears that way to titles like Mass Effect and The Elder Scrolls until you actually play them and realize there is still a lot of new things you have to learn again, especially with what Spoony described with Skyrim. Yea they’re sequels as well, but they still feel more different in their own right than Nintendo’s constant rehashes and “new” games. 

      I will say, a series such as Call of Duty and even Halo are guilty of the same thing Nintendo is doing, probably even worse as well. I’ve since gotten bored with both series.

      • http://twitter.com/RocMegamanX RocMegamanX

        Why not search for third-party stuff like Muramasa: The Demon Blade, Zack and Wiki, or MadWorld, if the first party Wii titles aren’t your cup of tea?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Omnikus-Schlotter/100000373849732 Omnikus Schlotter

    Wow, I never thought I’d say that, but you’re a cynical bastard who doesn’t like anything ^^ Have you no heart, sir? The last thing I’d call Nintendo is stagnant. But you’re entitled to your opinion. Your sad, sad, lonely opinion :,(

    Big fan.

  • Anonymous

    Not trying to bash, but when obviously smart people say things that are just bitter and stupid things must be said. Spoony, your rage against Nintendo is a lot like Yahtzee’s: predictable, childishly bitter, and, worst of all, BORING (and eerily similar to the point where I’d suspect plagiarism). I’m pretty sure I’m gonna get called a “fanboy” (a rather meaningless slur at this point), but I still find Nintendo to be a lot more innovative and revolutionary than pretty much 90% of publishers and developers out there (yeah, even more than Bethesda, Ubisoft, Bioware, Rockstar, and Irrational COMBINED). I’m looking forward to Skyward Sword and the Wii U WAY more than the next Mass Effect or Elder Scrolls, mostly because I’ll probably level and gameplay design that’s out of this world.

    • http://UnholyFireDragon.com Unholy Fire Dragon

      I’m purely guessing here, so I could be wrong, but I’m thinking that Mass Effect 3 will be more of the same “crap” as the first one (I’ve played days worth of the 1st one and found it very slow and boring). It’ll be a big interactive movie with a few interactive battle scenes here and there; and there will probably be a lot of exploring planets that are vast, yet almost empty.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IWTPLSVX6DDSSWCLHRW7DJJSTM mamasnatcher

        LOL at predicting anything about the 3rd one when you’ve barely played the first.

  • Anonymous

    Subjective opinions are subjective.

    I don’t mind that Noah has an apparent grudge against Nintendo (so does Yahtzee and I still watch his stuff) and more people DO need to hold Nintendo’s feet to the fire than currently are. But going too far with the hate just makes the rant seem kind of… FOX Newsy if Nintendo were the Democrats.

    My only real beef with his take on Nintendo is how he just casually insults the people who do buy these games that he can’t understand. When Noah’s playing his character on the reviews he can do whatever he wants for the rule of funny, but if he’s there as press then that attitude, no matter how funny it may be to the folks watching this site who agree with it, is pretty unprofessional.

    That said, I’m not that hyped for Skyward Sword either (incidentally what’s with all the Sky titles lately? Skyward Sword, Skyrim, Skyoshock) but for a lot of folks this is exactly what they want. The only new things that new Zelda games bring these days are new dungeon puzzles, and that is apparently all that the fans want. Screw the story, screw continuity, screw the tools, screw innovation, just give them new dungeons to explore and solve and they’re content. And, well, fine. It’s sad, and I WISH Nintendo would make another attempt like Majora’s Mask (a game that came out after Ocarina of Time but was the most un-Zelda-like game in the series and is widely regarded to be the best because of it), but they aren’t. If the game doesn’t wow you then criticize Nintendo for not bringing anything new to the table and move on.

    But to cynically imply that any adults that buy into this are nothing more than manchildren (“The kiddies will love it but I just can’t see how ADULTS can be excited”) is pretty underhanded and was the lowest point of the coverage so far. C’mon man, you’re better than that.

    Countering his opinion with JewWario and the Psychotaku was a good move, though.

    The idea that Nintendo is still ‘rooted in the 90s’ as far as game design goes is a valid point to make, and one I wouldn’t mind seeing elaborated on after the fact (and without the cheap insults to people who still enjoy Nintendo’s stuff).

    But the main reason people still buy Nintendo’s stuff is that they still find it fun. If you don’t, then that doesn’t mean they’re ‘wrong’, nor does it mean you’re ‘wrong’. Entertainment is subjective. And despite the fact that most of their new games rarely bring something new to the table, they are more often than not very solidly designed games. They’re safe. Mario Galaxy 2 may have just been more levels without much different from Mario Galaxy 1, but the game was still fun. Zelda Skyward Sword may just be Ocarina yet again, but the fans will still find it fun. If you don’t, and you want to see more innovation then make that point, it needs to be made! Just keep the cheap insults out of it.

  • Anonymous

    I’ll tell you right now, XBOX 360 is D-E-A-D dead. The absolute worst conference at E3. Microsoft just doesn’t care anymore  I mean, what did they have to show? Multiplats that everybody has played and a slew of Knect games. Fuck a Doodle Do! I think my boys Jamin and Shokio said it best, check out their videos:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckmGJIlalwQ&feature=channel_video_title 
     
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSLV7wfK6A4

    Secondly, Zelda aside, you can say all you want about Nintendo. I for one will continue to love and support them ’till the bitter end. What’cha gonna do? throw me into a death camp with all the other Lebensunwertes Leben? What’chu got, son!?

  • Anonymous

    Petty arguing aside, if you wanna talk about mindless sheep you should check out the SEGA fanboys. You thought the Final Fantasy tards were bad? Go to Deviant Art and type in “Sonic the Hedgehog”, or better yet, look up “Sonic Passion” on Google. I guarantee you’ll shit your pants! Shit will come out of your ass (as James would say).

  • Anonymous

    I’m with you on this one Spoony.

    Nintendo’s main game lineups are based on a lot of brands that have existed for a very long time. I believe this forms a community that are unstable for changes. Nintendo doesn’t dare change their popular characters for something new. This creates a lot of frustration for gamers who ask for something more of Nintendo and even though we have gotten used to this it’s becoming quite repetitive for someone who is looking for something new.

    What i would like to see is that the consumers show that they want something more. And Nintendo shows that they listen to the community. Think about it, what if Nintendo did something similar to Mass Effect or Uncharted? It would rock.

    But instead it looks like it’s up to the third party developers to that. I certainly hope it will go better than the third party support the Nintendo Wii had.

  • Anonymous

    I’m with you on this one Spoony.

    Nintendo’s main game lineups are based on a lot of brands that have existed for a very long time. I believe this forms a community that are unstable for changes. Nintendo doesn’t dare change their popular characters for something new. This creates a lot of frustration for gamers who ask for something more of Nintendo and even though we have gotten used to this it’s becoming quite repetitive for someone who is looking for something new.

    What i would like to see is that the consumers show that they want something more. And Nintendo shows that they listen to the community. Think about it, what if Nintendo did something similar to Mass Effect or Uncharted? It would rock.

    But instead it looks like it’s up to the third party developers to that. I certainly hope it will go better than the third party support the Nintendo Wii had.

  • Anonymous

    wow, you really got photobombed a lot… that blows, even if it is crowded people should know better :P

    about nintendo, im really not THAT crazy about the wii u. the concept itself is great, having 2 screens on the DS is awesome and it will be here, too.
    but only one touchpad controller per console at a time? really?
    no HDD, no central online service? no upscaling to HD for wii games?
    you are right, nintendo really is stuck in the 90s…
    i AM looking forward to the new zelda though (not ocarina of time, i said NEW zelda XD). you are right, the concept is old and dated. but it WORKS. the games are fun and thats what i care about when i play a game. also in my opinon they always add just enough new stuff to a new zelda to actually justify a sequel. the wind waker was an actual sequel to ocarina of time and added the ocean and islands and twilight princess had 2 worlds again and you can transform into a wolf which added new gameplay mecahnics. just to name 2 examples^^
    but still, overall you are right. nintendo does seem to be stuck in the past when it comes to new ideas.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Josh-Taylor/523378875 Josh Taylor

       Why pay more for a harddrive that can run out of space when you can hook up your own external harddrives that have as much space as you feel you need for less money?

  • http://www.facebook.com/Yoshinator Joshua Scoville

     Everyone knows when Nintendo tries something new everyone hates it. Windwaker, Other M, Pokemon Colosseum, Super Paper Mario. I don’t mind Nintendo’s new shit. I find it funny you call them the least innovative, because a stealthy batman, forty million military war shooters and Waifu Effect 3 are so much better then Nintendo trying something new with motion controls and touch screens. If anything’s boring it’s using the same controller to shoot this guy, or shoot this other guy. Where instead you can actually aim with a Wiiremote and wave it to get that satisfactory shot gun cocking sound any fps player should love to hear.

    Yep, Nintendo sure is the least innovative.

    • dennett316

      Motion controls are imprecise – frustratingly so – and are nowhere near as intuitive or easy as a mouse for FPS titles….and I say that as someone who has only gotten into PC games in the last few months.
      Also, he didn’t say a thing about Nintendo not being innovative with their hardware, his main complaint was that their main IP’s are the same thing over and over again with the odd little motion waggle or touch screen bit to liven it up. 
      I agree with his complaints regarding motion controls whole heartedly, they add complication and frustration to the game playing experience and only really work with the most basic of games, which appeal to the casual crowd.

      • Anonymous

        If you honestly think that about motion controls, chances are I don’t care for you as a person. I’ve had a Wii since Day 1 and can think of only two games where the motion controls ever were a problem. Motion controls only add complication to games when the developers don’t put much effort into making them work. See that’s the real problem with motion controls: most developers don’t give a damn about them outside of their fad status and exploit them for money. Except in the case of the Kinect. It was a cute concept and it separates itself from the competition but it was obviously doomed from the start.

        Also I’m sick of people using that whole excuse when it comes to Nintendo. It’s a fanboy or elitist’s poor attempt at getting out of being backed into a corner and is such a stupid argument, it’s devolved into another Godwin’s Law. Yes, there is some truth to that but anyone who acts like Nintendo’s the only one who does it (coughcoughHalo4cough) is a cowardly, lazy douchebag that can’t think of anything else to use in argument against the company.

  • http://www.facebook.com/Yoshinator Joshua Scoville

    Oh and also, bashing Nintendo for making a bunch of sequels but all you were interested in were overplayed genre sequels. So biased.

    • Anonymous

       Did you just call The Elder Scrolls and Deus Ex overplayed? Excuse me, but no.

      Just no. You’re wrong. The only one who’s biased is the person claiming two really good franchises that allow for a lot of freedom and exploration and control are overplayed.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=59504418 Andrew Christianson

        So… it’s OK to like THESE franchise retreads, but god forbid I like Link? Or Mario? Really? You don’t see a problem with this logic?

        • Anonymous

           Okay, The Elder Scrolls has had 5 official games since 1994, the first, The Elder Scrolls: Arena, almost NO ONE played because it was a long ass time ago, and Deus Ex which has had 2 official games since 2000.

          Link has had 17 official games since 1986. And dear gawd, I refuse to count the number of games Mario’s been in. Go look up the list on Wikipedia for yourself.

          So no, I don’t see the problem with this logic, because unlike the Mario and Link franchises, TES and Deus Ex haven’t been milked till the cows became ring wraiths.

        • Anonymous

          In the end, this song isn’t about you or if you like the games or not, but “are they overplayed”.

          The answer is Yes to Mario and Link, No to TES and Deus Ex.

          If you like them, good. Please enjoy them.

        • http://twitter.com/SnowdriftUSMC Tobias Rodriguez

          I don’t see where anyone said you couldn’t like Link or Mario games. What they’re saying is that there have been literally dozens of Zelda games and probably nearly 100 Mario games since their respective series came out, versus the five games from the Elder Scrolls series, and the two games from the Deus Ex series.

          The point is, you can’t call a game that’s had a fraction of the number of sequels ‘overplayed’. You can call it overhyped, if that’s the word you were thinking of. There’s a reason there have been fewer Deus Ex and Elder Scrolls games, however, and I think it’s because of two simple reasons.

          1) More effort goes into the Elder Scrolls and Deus Ex games. They have much longer development cycles, and a lot larger amounts of replayability, than anything from the Zelda or Mario series. And I’m not even counting the PC versions of these games, which have been modded to the point where there are literally full conversion games that you can download for free, running on the same engine.

          2) Deus Ex and Elder Scrolls don’t lend their name well to spinoff games for kids. And that’s really what Nintendo boils down to. Sure, Nintendo may be able to have Modern Warfare 3 on their new system. That’s great for them, it really is, but when it comes right down to it, nobody’s going to buy Deus Ex Kart or Elder Scrolls Party. People, not everybody, are tired of Nintendo just sticking their characters on whatever bullshit spinoff game they can come up with and then charging you full price for it.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Christopher-Alden/100000469737019 Christopher Alden

        You mean like Spoony did with Zelda and Mario?

        • Anonymous

          But they are overplayed. Let’s compare The Elder Scrolls vs. Zelda. TES also had only 5 official games since 1994, whereas Zelda has had 17 since 1986.

          So 1 TES game every 3.4 years verses 1 Zelda game ever 1.47.

          If you want me to compare Deus Ex’s 2 official games since 2000 vs. Mario’s UNGODLY NUMBER OF GAMES since the 1980s… I won’t do the math. I refuse to count that many Mario games in one sitting.

          So you tell me again, who’s franchises are overplayed?

    • http://spoonyexperiment.com The Spoony One

      I never claimed I wasn’t biased.  I am.  So are you.  So is anybody who goes to these events.

      Even so, there’s a big difference between the sequels I’m excited about, and the cookie-cutter clones Nintendo churns out.

  • http://UnholyFireDragon.com Unholy Fire Dragon

    I’ve heard your argument Spoony and I completely agree with you there. Nintendo has focused more and more on trying to impress people with new versions of the same old crap. The best they’ve done so far is make the new generation have fun with what is new to them but old for us folks in our 30s.

    I might buy the game (and maybe just rent the console, or buy it second-hand or w/e) just so I can make a review of it and make fun of it. I’ll probably have fun with this game in the same sense that I can have fun with the same “good game” repeatedly, considering I’ve enjoyed Zelda games at the past (incl. Wind Waker and Twilight Princess). I bet there will be a water level, which I will hate and surely use in my comedic review.

    When I review this game, I was thinking I’d play a baby, or a young child, who plays and loves the game and then my main character, Unholy Fire Dragon, comes in and is excited about the game at first, but then gets bored and frustrated and basically “sees everything coming” as he plays. So even if the game turns out not to be be that much fun, at least my review sure will.

  • http://profiles.google.com/lukamillfy Luka Millfy

    Noooooo! Stop having fuuuun!

    Also I like how all three games you presented against Skyward Sword were either sequels or a game using a character older and more tired than Link. Hypocrisy much?

  • http://profiles.google.com/lukamillfy Luka Millfy

    Noooooo! Stop having fuuuun!

    Also I like how all three games you presented against Skyward Sword were either sequels or a game using a character older and more tired than Link. Hypocrisy much?

    • dennett316

      Sequels which feature wholly new stories, new mechanics, new graphics engines, new characters etc.  In short, sequels which show more growth than the Zelda series has managed since Majora’s Mask.

      • http://profiles.google.com/lukamillfy Luka Millfy

         >new stories
        Story is so important in a video game
        >mechanics
        Check
        >graphic engines
        check
        >characters
        check

        Next time actually take your time to familiarize with Nintendo properties before bashing them

      • Anonymous

        Wow, if you aint the same kind of cynical, unpleasable shithead Yahtzee is. No, whether you want to admit it or not, not every Zelda game is the same. It just likes to use some of the same themes or weapons. The experience is different each time. Take it from someone who actually pays more fucking attention to that franchise than you and Spoony seem to.

  • http://twitter.com/FleacyTheSheep Desiree X

    Wow look at all the fanboys who wrought essays for you :p

    I didn’t see any games from Nintendo this year that hooked me. Maybe the wiiu will be powerful enough to have multi-platform games come out on it as well. More third party developed games would really help them.

    • f f

      Nintendo doesn’t need help. People don’t buy their consoles for the games. 

  • Anonymous

    I’m mostly a Nintendo gamer and I agree with Spoony. Most gaming companies care about is releasing the same old story again with few changes, and Nintendo is especially guilty of that. There’s a reason why I’m not really exited for Zelda or don’t even own a 3DS yet, it’s not really worth anything without something new and exiting being released.

    The game that profited most from the Wii Remote was Metroid Prime Trilogy, that one used Wii Remote and Nunchuck to its best capabilities. Everything else I played just felt gimmicky or unnecessary. If you want to play a game for the Wii with proper motion controls, that’s the one I’d recommend. And for great Wii games without the motion gimmick, Super Mario Galaxy 1 and 2.

    But other than that, my shelf is pretty empty. I don’t think I’ve picked up a game for a year.

  • http://twitter.com/jhohcable Jhoh Cable

    I’ve owned Twilight Princess for about 3 years now on the Wii, and I still haven’t played more than 2 hours of it.  I used to love the Zelda series, now I find it a very watered down slog.  Each game just straight up seems worse than the previous one.  This is excluding Wind Waker, I still enjoyed that, but it certainly had a bushel of flaws.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Roler-Dark/100000545592088 Roler Dark

    i don’t really agree with spoony on the whole nintendo thing, but i will accept that he has a point about games being rehashed and not getting anything legitimately new (game wise) to the table, aside from the wii U

    i think we’re in a stage of gaming where they just wont take the risk of creating any new franchise, they will just bring whatever the audience likes and just scrap any possible new thing

    i mean seriously, gamers today got dangerously close minded, they will reject anythin new for whatever excuse they want and if what they like doesn’t get ass kissed then they will go on full rage mode (see some comments below and some others on the TGWTG blog)

    i like nintendo… i’m looking forward to the new games and the wii U, but come on people, aren’t we adults? what happened to agree to disagree?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002270598101 Katie Haven

    You said it, spoony. I whole heartily agree with you.

    Fuck Nintendo!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002270598101 Katie Haven

    You said it, spoony. I whole heartily agree with you.

    Fuck Nintendo!

  • Anonymous

    Congratulations Spoony, you’ve officially invoked the fanboy equivalent of Godwin’s Law. Stick to reviewing FMV games and Reb Brown movies because you have no credibility when it comes to critiquing Nintendo you sack of shit.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Roler-Dark/100000545592088 Roler Dark

      “real fans don’t mind whatever criticism someone has against what they like”

      or in other words…

      “you mad”

      fanboy…

    • Anonymous

      Critiquing Nintendo is equivalent to discussing Hitler?

      You do realize you have absolutely no credibility in this discussion anymore, right?

  • f f

    Why is Spoony interviewing this fucking n00b? He’s such an easy mark. Listen to how excited he is about irrelevant shit like seeing a golf-ball on-screen when you set the controller down. He doesn’t even fucking know The Elder Scrolls. By his own admission, he barely plays games. He’s not the type of guy I want to here from (a gamer) he’s an outsider who thinks getting excited according to Nintendo’s instruction clothes in our colors. 

    Nvm. I get it. That was just a set-up to the punchline: 4:16 Where it gets good. 

    Nintendo has never participated in the hardware arms race. Remember all those new, better consoles Sega came out w/? Remember how they didn’t want the Playstation to be their system b/c it costs too much? They’re cheap bastards who run on fanboyism, nostalgia, and non-gamers. I expect nothing good from them and my expectations are met. 

    • http://twitter.com/RocMegamanX RocMegamanX

      Since we want to talk about Sega…remember the Sega CD? There were a few gems like Snatcher and Sonic CD, but the library was mostly stuff like Night Trap, Sewer Shark, Make My Video, and Prize Fighter. It should have been its own console, especially since it had ITS OWN BOX-SHAPED AC ADAPTOR. 32X? Ill-advised add-on that should have been its own console ALSO WITH ITS OWN BOX-SHAPED AC ADAPTOR.

      Hiroshi Yamauchi was to blame for rejecting the Playstation prototype. He’s the same guy who forced the big third-parties into a monopoly back in the NES days and killed the US sales of the Master System and Turbografx-16…that was until it was deemed illegal to do so. He’s also the same guy who drove off Square for wanting to use cartridges for the Nintendo 64. 

      And yet it’s funny. People seemed to like Nintendo when that old dictator-like executive was still in charge. Huh…

  • f f

    Why is Spoony interviewing this fucking n00b? He’s such an easy mark. Listen to how excited he is about irrelevant shit like seeing a golf-ball on-screen when you set the controller down. He doesn’t even fucking know The Elder Scrolls. By his own admission, he barely plays games. He’s not the type of guy I want to here from (a gamer) he’s an outsider who thinks getting excited according to Nintendo’s instruction clothes in our colors. 

    Nvm. I get it. That was just a set-up to the punchline: 4:16 Where it gets good. 

    Nintendo has never participated in the hardware arms race. Remember all those new, better consoles Sega came out w/? Remember how they didn’t want the Playstation to be their system b/c it costs too much? They’re cheap bastards who run on fanboyism, nostalgia, and non-gamers. I expect nothing good from them and my expectations are met. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jason-Guardino/579266632 Jason Guardino

    You stalking me bro? lol

    I was mainly refering to how the tablets are “in” right now popularized by Apple.  making something that resembles an ipad in the wake of that popularity is not a coincidence in my opinion.

  • Papa Bungle

    The Wii U’s presentation was just bad.  I knew right away from the beginning that it was a new console, but the amount of people who didn’t understand that it was actually a new console indicates a failure on their part. I wasn’t impressed by their tech demos, I wasn’t impressed by what the Third parties showed off.  However…

    I am awaiting the Wii U with cautious anticipation.  Just off the top of my head I can think of plenty of fantastic gameplay ideas that would benefit games greatly.  Imagine a Metroid game where you always have a map in front of you at all times. Imagine playing Batman Arkham Asylum and Arkham City where you always have detective mode visible on the tablet. No having to switch, just quick glance down at the tablet.  Imagine games like Monster Hunter, Demon’s Souls and MMORPGs where you can use the stylus to appropriately communicate by writing actual messages to other players without having to listen to voices that break that atmosphere and mode of the game. There are so many absolutely fantastic ideas that can be done with the Wii U controller, it’s simply a matter of actually executing them. That is why I’m at least anticipating great things from it because there are so many legitimately good ideas that can be utilized with it, its just a matter of Nintendo and third parties utilizing it. If a layman like myself can think of these ideas I expect actual game developers to provide and execute upon ideas just as good if not better than I can think of them. 

    As far as Nintendo as a whole goes: Spoony, you’ve always been a PC gamer, and PC games that were before my time as a gamer to be honest.  I have always been a console player. If there is anything that usually bothers me about a game, its first person perspective and ranged combat. I like playing an actual character and seeing things from their perspective, rather than the game trying to tell me I’m seeing things through mine.  I like actually seeing how the character interacts with their environment.  I like seeing their fighting style.  I just genuinely enjoy Third person action adventure games over all others. As far as ranged combat, I think the Joker sums it up best: “You want to know why I use a knife?  Guns are too quick.  You can’t savor all the little emotions.”

    To say Nintendo doesn’t at least innovate strikes me as somewhat silly.  I missed the Metroid Prime games during the Gamecube era as I basically quite video games for a while after the Dreamcast died. I did, however, pick up the Metroid Prime Trilogy for the Wii and I have to say pointer controls are so much better than playing a first person game with duel analogs it isn’t even funny. Duel analogs for FPS games is likely why I hate the genre on consoles to begin with.  It is the most unintuitive thing I can think of that is still tolerated on consoles.  At the same time the Metroid Prime games basically fix all my complains with FPS games:  Shooting the game enemies gets boring after a while.  It has to be layered with additional depth that the Metroid games provide with the ability upgrades, the exploration aspect, the puzzle like bosses, making the world feel like a coherent world. Certain games on the PC rise above the FPS genre as a whole by moving away from the straight action genre into the Action-adventure and Action-RPG genre like Deus Ex and Vampire the Masquerade: Bloodlines, but even you have to admit games of these caliber are very, very few and far between.  And games that actually adventure into the Third Person Action and Action-Adventure genres are damn near nonexistent on the PC. 

    That is generally why I give the Zelda games a pass. Aside from Batman:  Arkham Asylum, I can’t think of too many games at all that satisfy that particular itch.  And while I am frustrated with Zelda from a story and continuity perspective, they are still generally the best examples of 3D Third Person Action-Adventure games to date.  Ocarina of Time still sets the standards of what I at least expect from games. Wind Waker was amazing in the size of its world, the draw distance, the lack of loading screens, its art style, ect. ect.  Twilight Princess on the Wii had a fantastic combat system above and beyond what was present in the series prior, the mounted combat was fantastically executed, and again, the pointer controls vastly improved actually aiming at objects with ranged items. Super Mario Galaxy 1&2 are, in arguably in my opinion, the best 3D platform games ever made, making breakthroughs in control, level design, camera design and countless other areas along with actually executing almost every aspect flawlessly.

    I’m just going to go out on a limb and say, while you have your tastes, I have mine and you truthfully don’t understand mine and players like myself’s reasoning behind them. You said yourself in your Metroid Other M Vblog (A game I admittedly cannot stand) “I don’t like the backtracking.”  I do. I do.  I like that the game world feels like a legitimate world. I like that there might be areas and items opened up to me that I wouldn’t have been able to access previously in the game. 

    Either way, it’s nice to hear your thoughts about this, even though I disagree with them. I expected your opinion given what I know about your tastes from your reviews and Vblogs. 

    • Anonymous

      It is incredibly sad to see people so blinded by delusional fanboyism to the point where it is surprising that they are even alive given how brain dead they are. Do you have to have your mom change your diapers for you?  Seriously, how do you console players manage to live considering the fact that in general, the complete lack of brain activity would guarantee death in normal individuals given that brain activity is needed for things such as breathing, and cardiovascular activities. If you like pointer controls so much, how about a mouse? Why would any one play any console, especially when PC gaming is so magnificent, and you have decades worth of games at your fingertips and wallet? It’s just sad.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jason-Guardino/579266632 Jason Guardino

    I was mainly referring to how the tablets are “in” right now popularized by Apple.  making something that resembles an ipad in the wake of that popularity is not a coincidence in my opinion.

    you stalking me bro?  :/

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jason-Guardino/579266632 Jason Guardino

    I was mainly referring to how the tablets are “in” right now popularized by Apple.  making something that resembles an ipad in the wake of that popularity is not a coincidence in my opinion.

    you stalking me bro?  :/

  • Chammy

    While I agree with you that Nintendo is kind of retreading, and I also am not all that excited for the WiiU, I’m noticing something kind of interesting from what we can see at this conference: Nintendo is the only developer that seems to still be focusing towards and still very accessible to the younger crowd of gamers.

    So many of these new games that we’re seeing look like they’re for older and more mature gamers; basically whom we’ve grown up into.  There doesn’t seem to be a whole lot offered to younger gamers.  It’s really curious that the age of ‘mascot games’ has really petered out. Sonic, Mario, Bubsy Bobcat (okay, they weren’t all good ones…) kind of introduced us to gaming and mechanics that we all know and love, and you could play them at any age.  Most of these games look like they’ll be T or higher, and that’s a problem. Yes, we’ve gotten older as gamers, but there needs to be more that kids can join along with without worrying their parents or getting accused of playing something ‘too violent’, don’t ya think?

  • http://twitter.com/CaitConall I am the Chairman.

    Just a quick list of IPs from the past 10 years from Nintendo off the top of my head, mostly games I’ve played or new IPs:
    Pikmin, Eternal Darkness, Cubivore, Giftpia, Golden Sun, Starfy, Rhythm Heaven, WarioWare, Captain Rainbow, Nintendogs, Trace Memory/Another Code, Hotel Dusk/Last Window, Elite Beat Agents/Ouendan, Soma Bringer, Xenoblade, The Last Story, and Pandora’s Tower. I’m sure I’m missing plenty.

    When it comes to already existing series, they’ve done so much with Mario and Kirby, with many games being so completely different from just the platformers that people are familiar with. Especially Kirby. They do so many different Kirby games that I honestly wish they’d do more like the original, with Kirby sucking up enemies! Starfox Adventures is another good example of Nintendo doing something new with a series, though that game wasn’t very good.

    Also, on the topic of Zelda: Even Zelda fans make fun of Nintendo for the way they develop the games with all the same flaws as previous ones and that they keep rereleasing OoT. Wind Waker was acceptable, because they hadn’t done many 3D Zeldas at the time, but most Zelda fans from what I’ve seen hate Twilight Princess. I’m looking forward to Skyward Sword, but that’s really only because Nintendo’s been hyping it up as a huge change from the norm. No traditional dungeons, weapon crafting, no Ganon, new mechanics like stamina and shield durability, actual difficulty for once, gameplay that actually uses motion controls for something instead of setting attacks that could easily be done on one button to a waggle motion, etc. Shigeru Miyamoto has even gone so far as to say that if this isn’t the best Zelda ever made, he’s willing to quit making the series (and while I doubt he would, it’s interesting that he’d say that). It’s obviously based on the same sort of gameplay that OoT had, but from actually paying attention to all the differences, I’m actually looking forward to this. I should mention that I’m not even a big fan of Zelda. There are only really a few games in the series I liked at all.

    I agree with you on the motion controls, though. The Wiimote is probably one of the worst things Nintendo has come up with since the Virtual Boy, and this is coming from someone who LIKES the Wii. I’m actually looking forward to the Wii U’s controller because A) I like having an actual controller in my hands that I don’t have to shake around (I don’t mind motion controls so much, but all the waggle really sucks), and B) I like the idea of the screen, because of my experience with games like Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles and Zelda: Four Swords Adventures. Actually, I really wish they brought out something with a screen earlier, instead of bringing out Wiimotes. It’s what I’ve honestly wanted since the Gamecube. I’m still not completely sold on it, but I’m looking forward to seeing what they’ll do with it.

    Your complaints about Nintendo’s choices with the Wii, their big name series, and rereleases are reasonable for the most part, but to say that Nintendo never does anything new is simply untrue. They have many new IPs, the problem is that they don’t market them well, and Nintendo of America hasn’t brought over enough these days. Nintendo of Europe has been bringing over many more games than what we’ve gotten here.
    You have different tastes than Nintendo fans, and I think that’s fine. Many Nintendo fanboys would get angry about this, but your opinion is respectable. I really don’t think Nintendo’s games are for everyone, as people would like to believe.

  • f f

    I love Noah’s face as he listens to their foolishness. 

    2:34 Nintendo focuses on fun? That’s what they say when they pretend a game’s enjoyability is inverse to its’ specs. If that were true shit like pong or stick and hoop would still be the most thrilling experiences. No, better hardware allows for better software (games) which are more fun. Nintendo’s too wiik to run even Crysis 1, a years-old game, on their new console. That’s no fun. 

    Also, other companies riding Nintendo’s coat-tails? Riding coat-tails implies you’re relying on someone else for your success. That phrase makes no sense in this context. Jewario uses common sayings without comprehension of their meaning. He thinks in the slogans he’s given. Nintendo’s fun!
         Sony and M$ released better hardware than Nintendo (as did Sega in days of yore) which Nintendo never matched. They went for motion controls b/c Nintendo demonstrated there was more money in selling peripheral shit to non-gamers than there is in selling superior hardware to gamers. So they’ve released motion controls that are better than the wiimotes. But that doesn’t matter to fanboys like Jewario who have never grown up out of their childhood love of Mario&co. 
         He thinks that a screen in the controller is some big hardware innovation that’ll be difficult to counter? Apparently he never played a Dreamcast and has never seen an iPhone, Droid, iPad, nook, kindle, psp, etc. Nintendo has used handhelds as controllers before (Gamecube). It’s not a big deal. Unless you’re an idiot who thinks another motion controller (raise it to block like a shield!) that does the same shit as the wiimotes is worth hundreds of $. If you like games like the ones they demo’d, you can play them in an arcade for quarters for the hour they remain fun. 

  • Anonymous

    Yeaaaah, it pains me to admit, but the Zelda series does need a kick in the pants. Each game at least has -some- twist (or at least, gimmick) to it. Light/dark world, time travel, time loop, I’m on a boat, shapeshifting… What’s Skyward’s bit? Being Skies of Arcadia without the pirates? …at least Ganon isn’t there… yet…

    ……….*Sighs* Still going to buy it first day.

    Starfox, I’m slightly more excited about, under the purely blind-optimisim hope that they use it to re-launch the series with more fighter combat and less gunfights and furry-drama.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jack-Donald/547723767 Jack Donald

    I love comparing Spoony’s reactions to the reaction of Nintendo fanboys to the Wii U. Fraser, in Video Games Awesome, was determined that everything about the Wii U would completely revolutionise gaming. Spoony has got the thing pinned down as further evidence that Nintendo has somehow disguised stagnation as innovation. 

    However we can’t deny that a kiddie-console is important in today’s market; marketing games only to adults is likely to have the same results as marketing comics only to adults had back in the nineties: Valiant comics, not DC or Marvel, could expect to sell over 1,500,000 copies of any Turoc comic in a year. The most popular title of last year sold just over 100,000. Unless we keep drawing in younger gamers with kiddie titles we’re going to find ourselves in a similar bust when older generations stop buying games and there is no younger demographic to keep sales up.

    Plus games like Lego Star Wars are just fun for just about anyone; genuine humour, mildly challenging puzzles, the fact that the violence is basically like taking apart your lego when you’re finished with it and that it works out a lot cheaper than buying in a shit-ton of lego (hell there are lego sets that cost more than consoles! The Millennium Falcon alone can set you back £1,400, just check amazon!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Darren-Doyle/599697531 Darren Doyle

    All im gonna say is HAVE FUCKING BALLS to say what you said in person in front of the camera, in front of e3 people not FUCKING SAFELY BEHIND SCENES AT HOME.THEN YOU’L GET FUCKING FEEDBACK

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001349515450 George Mattingly

    I know that it is blasphemy to say this, but who cares about “Mario” games anymore?

    Today, one can stage political revolutions, explore intellectually enthralling universes, and experience psychological revelations within modern games.

    Why do people give a damn about incessant reproductions of the same vacuous, inane, generic, stagnant, skin deep games that they grew up with, just because they grew up with it.

    • Papa Bungle

      I know this might surprise you, but not everyone enjoys Super Mario Galaxy exclusively on the basis that they played games from the series growing up.  Aside from Super Mario Bros. 3 I have never particularly cared about Mario in general. I was admittedly a huge Sega Genesis/Dreamcast fan previously.

      Even then I still adore Super Mario Galaxy 1&2 and herald them as arguably the best games from this generation and almost undoubtedly the best 3D platform games ever made, well above and beyond anything the Mario series has ever produced.  There is almost a euphoric child like sense of glee when traversing some of the best obstacle courses ever made in video game history. 

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001349515450 George Mattingly

        I cannot argue the unique art direction of Super Mario Galaxy, but if I wanted to play a puzzle game with obstacle courses, then I’d play Portal.

        Regardless, my reference to Mario was an arbitrary example. I feel that the entirety of what Nintendo produces lacks any kind of mature literary merit.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001349515450 George Mattingly

        I cannot argue the unique art direction of Super Mario Galaxy, but if I wanted to play a puzzle game with obstacle courses, then I’d play Portal.

        Regardless, my reference to Mario was an arbitrary example. I feel that the entirety of what Nintendo produces lacks any kind of mature literary merit.

        • Papa Bungle

          I can see and understand that to a certain extent. However, I will state right now that I feel Super Mario Galaxy is vastly superior to Portal in almost every aspect, and in quality and quantity (Quantity being inarguable) excluding humor. 

          I will be gladly line up among those willing to see Nintendo release new IPs with new characters and game mechanics. They have some of the best and brightest talent under them and I would very much enjoy seeing new and major games with new characters and settings released by them. 

          I will say you won’t find too many “Games as art” supporters as me, but I do feel that there is a place for the kinds of games like Super Mario Galaxy. If you want to see me go into depth as far as game play is related, I explained my thoughts in great detail a few posts below yours. 

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_7KG6EQJMPPFGYVA6EG5AII65MU Brandon

            no.

          • Papa Bungle

            What a beautiful and profoundly worded statement.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001349515450 George Mattingly

        I cannot argue the unique art direction of Super Mario Galaxy, but if I wanted to play a puzzle game with obstacle courses, then I’d play Portal.

        Regardless, my reference to Mario was an arbitrary example. I feel that the entirety of what Nintendo produces lacks any kind of mature literary merit.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jeff-Shirley/1610373832 Jeff Shirley

    I think I’d like to start by saying I can respect Spoony’s opinion on Nintendo even thought I completely 100% disagree with it and think his points are based in somewhat of a fanboy-nose tweaking hostility that I don’t think is wholly warranted here.

    I think saying “Zelda has always been the same since OoT” when there’s some pretty clear evidence that the GAMEPLAY itself has actually changed greatly, as well as the setting and presentation is somewhat of a stock criticism that needs to be elaborated on more.  Criticism itself is an art form and it requires more thought put into it than “I hate this.” 

    Criticizing the story for being the same each time is also somewhat puzzling because the game immediately following Ocarina of Time was Majora’s Mask, a game that threw out almost all of the conventions about Zelda with a new world, a new plot that had nothing to do with Zelda at all, and Ganondorf wasn’t the bad guy or even in it.  Also, the two GBC games similarly had nothing to do with Zelda or Ganon either, as well as the GBA game in which Zelda is the McGuffin, but Ganon isn’t the bad guy, or the two DS games in which Ganon isn’t the main villain, and the Second, Spirit Tracks, in which Zelda tags along with you in a spirit form to assume control of Giant Knights and basically fight with Link to save her own body (that’s a twist.)  Even if you don’t know about these games, your unfamiliarity doesn’t excuse your blanket statement which would include those games.  Considering the story of Zelda’s since Ocarina of Time have strayed from the “formula” more than they adhered to it, it’s hard to even confirm the existence of said formula at all.

    Also, I’m not about to scream hypocrisy, but it is interesting that the games you were really interested in all had numbers after them, including Batman.  If you think the Zelda and Mario Universe is boring and tired, I’m wondering how Batman can seem fresh considering he’s from the 30′s and basically every story about him has been told to death and back.  Wanting “continuity” in Zelda and ignoring Batman’s various reboots/reimaginings continuity errors seems somewhat duplicitous.  Yes, Zelda is an old series, dating back to the 80′s.  The fact that it still remains is something to be commended, even if you don’t necessarily enjoy it.  Just like how Batman is still relevant from the 30′s, even though his storylines are always “Big Bad Guy is harassing Gotham/World.  Throw batarangs for victory, btw my parents are deeeeaaaaad~~~.”  And I’d be surprised if Mass Effect and Skyrim has stories that were any less stock than “Evil thing is threatening world/universe/you.  Go forth and defeat it while being a prick/saint.”

    I’m also curious how you could be confused about the Wii U actually having a console.  Which is not to say I don’t think anybody COULD be confused, I’m just wondering why YOU are.  Of course there’s a console, the entire internet knew within hours.  In fact one of the pictures you use of the Wii U controller is in a room WITH the console itself.  Other photos in the same set confirm it.  As for the specs, all the interviews with developers say it’s considerably more powerful than PS3, which I would say is plenty powerful enough for “next-gen” without plunking down $700.

    As for Nintendo trying nothing new, I’m wondering why you either ignored or just glossed over Kid Icarus.  The “series” is so old it may as well be a new IP, considering the last game in the series was released more than 20 years ago.  Since you didn’t mention it, I think you may have stumbled onto the reason why Nintendo is hesitant to make new IP.  Even when they do, it goes unnoticed by people more willing to bitch about Mario Party again than actually seek out Nintendo’s new IP.

    I’ll close by again saying that I can respect your opinion, even if I don’t understand it.

    I’ll clear my bias by saying I thought Nintendo’s show was fantastic, and I am definitely excited about Luigi’s Mansion 2, a sequel to a decades old underappreciated game that address a lot of the complaints one could have about a series about gameplay, storytelling, setting, and characters… that was ultimately poo-pooed in 2001 as “another Mario game” because Luigi is in it and that’s apparently all that matters.

    • http://www.animerrill.com/ Ethan Merrill

      You said basically everything I would have. I mean, if someone doesn’t like Nintendo’s IP (even though they HAVE been trying to innovate ever since the 64-era, they HAVE introduced new IPs like Pikmin and spin offs like Luigi’s Mansion, etc.) or Nintendo in general, that’s fine, I just wish actual arguments would be used instead of the rehashed anti-Nintendo arguments that really hold no actual water. Because while Nintendo’s motion controls might be weird to some, at least they’re functional and integrated into the games on the Wii (unlike the Kinect and Move, which are both interesting pieces of technology but really underwhelming in use).

      And I think your Batman example is the perfect counter to the Zelda complaints XD

      (Just for the record, the two Oracle GBC games had Zelda and Ganon as characters as part of the longer linked game quest…)

    • Anonymous

      I got about halfway through this comment up until the point you said something about Batman’s stories being told to death. 

      –> Yeah, Batman: The Dark Knight wasn’t very original either. 

    • http://twitter.com/RocMegamanX RocMegamanX

      Speaking of other IPs, don’t forget Wario Land: Shake It! aka The Shake Dimension(wish we had this subtitle instead of “Shake It!”).

      It was a non-Mario, non-Zelda title, and Wario isn’t even as prolific as the guy he’s based on. Not that many people bought it, from what I heard.

      Captain Rainbow, a Japan-only release, was a flop in JAPAN.

    • http://twitter.com/RocMegamanX RocMegamanX

      Speaking of other IPs, don’t forget Wario Land: Shake It! aka The Shake Dimension(wish we had this subtitle instead of “Shake It!”).

      It was a non-Mario, non-Zelda title, and Wario isn’t even as prolific as the guy he’s based on. Not that many people bought it, from what I heard.

      Captain Rainbow, a Japan-only release, was a flop in JAPAN.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jeff-Shirley/1610373832 Jeff Shirley

    I think I’d like to start by saying I can respect Spoony’s opinion on Nintendo even thought I completely 100% disagree with it and think his points are based in somewhat of a fanboy-nose tweaking hostility that I don’t think is wholly warranted here.

    I think saying “Zelda has always been the same since OoT” when there’s some pretty clear evidence that the GAMEPLAY itself has actually changed greatly, as well as the setting and presentation is somewhat of a stock criticism that needs to be elaborated on more.  Criticism itself is an art form and it requires more thought put into it than “I hate this.” 

    Criticizing the story for being the same each time is also somewhat puzzling because the game immediately following Ocarina of Time was Majora’s Mask, a game that threw out almost all of the conventions about Zelda with a new world, a new plot that had nothing to do with Zelda at all, and Ganondorf wasn’t the bad guy or even in it.  Also, the two GBC games similarly had nothing to do with Zelda or Ganon either, as well as the GBA game in which Zelda is the McGuffin, but Ganon isn’t the bad guy, or the two DS games in which Ganon isn’t the main villain, and the Second, Spirit Tracks, in which Zelda tags along with you in a spirit form to assume control of Giant Knights and basically fight with Link to save her own body (that’s a twist.)  Even if you don’t know about these games, your unfamiliarity doesn’t excuse your blanket statement which would include those games.  Considering the story of Zelda’s since Ocarina of Time have strayed from the “formula” more than they adhered to it, it’s hard to even confirm the existence of said formula at all.

    Also, I’m not about to scream hypocrisy, but it is interesting that the games you were really interested in all had numbers after them, including Batman.  If you think the Zelda and Mario Universe is boring and tired, I’m wondering how Batman can seem fresh considering he’s from the 30′s and basically every story about him has been told to death and back.  Wanting “continuity” in Zelda and ignoring Batman’s various reboots/reimaginings continuity errors seems somewhat duplicitous.  Yes, Zelda is an old series, dating back to the 80′s.  The fact that it still remains is something to be commended, even if you don’t necessarily enjoy it.  Just like how Batman is still relevant from the 30′s, even though his storylines are always “Big Bad Guy is harassing Gotham/World.  Throw batarangs for victory, btw my parents are deeeeaaaaad~~~.”  And I’d be surprised if Mass Effect and Skyrim has stories that were any less stock than “Evil thing is threatening world/universe/you.  Go forth and defeat it while being a prick/saint.”

    I’m also curious how you could be confused about the Wii U actually having a console.  Which is not to say I don’t think anybody COULD be confused, I’m just wondering why YOU are.  Of course there’s a console, the entire internet knew within hours.  In fact one of the pictures you use of the Wii U controller is in a room WITH the console itself.  Other photos in the same set confirm it.  As for the specs, all the interviews with developers say it’s considerably more powerful than PS3, which I would say is plenty powerful enough for “next-gen” without plunking down $700.

    As for Nintendo trying nothing new, I’m wondering why you either ignored or just glossed over Kid Icarus.  The “series” is so old it may as well be a new IP, considering the last game in the series was released more than 20 years ago.  Since you didn’t mention it, I think you may have stumbled onto the reason why Nintendo is hesitant to make new IP.  Even when they do, it goes unnoticed by people more willing to bitch about Mario Party again than actually seek out Nintendo’s new IP.

    I’ll close by again saying that I can respect your opinion, even if I don’t understand it.

    I’ll clear my bias by saying I thought Nintendo’s show was fantastic, and I am definitely excited about Luigi’s Mansion 2, a sequel to a decades old underappreciated game that address a lot of the complaints one could have about a series about gameplay, storytelling, setting, and characters… that was ultimately poo-pooed in 2001 as “another Mario game” because Luigi is in it and that’s apparently all that matters.

  • Anonymous

    Nintendo is just an old standard.  You know?  A restaurant you’ve eaten at a hundred times, rather than the new restaurant that’s opening up down the street.  You know it’s good because you’ve already eaten there, and it’s always been good, but it really lacks the adventure of that new restaurant you haven’t tried yet.
    Nintendo’s good at business, you know?  Don’t stray too far from the formula that’s brought you money in the past, and you’ll continue to be at least moderately successful.  Hell, you reviewer guys fall into that trap all the time.  You want to tell me Doug’s NC routine hasn’t gotten stale?  But if he changed it up too much, his long-time fans would flip.  And I think that’s where Nintendo’s coming from, too.  They’ve got fans going back almost 30 years, man.

    I’m not saying you’re not right, by the way.  Because you are.  But we don’t run the company.

    • doresh

      NOBODY cares about “old” gamers anymore. They want the casual crowd and the young gamers. THAT’S why they don’t change anything: Their target audience never played the old games.

      • Anonymous

        Yeah, that’s true as well.  You don’t have to make a new storyline if the old storyline is new to your current audience.
        God damn it.  It sucks being a gamer from way back, doesn’t it?  At least some developers are trying new things, though.

  • http://twitter.com/Tony7wsfk Tony

    I couldn’t agree more with Spoony, and I’m glad he has the balls to tear Nintendo apart like it should be. Mario? Zelda? Star Fox? Really? How many games can I own that say “Mario” on the cover? I admit, for the most part, each are, or at least can be fun, but they’re essentially the same fun you’ve been having for the past two decades. Where are the new and original games? Where’s the “something for everyone” Nintendo keeps bragging about? Because I don’t see it. I see the same thing offered from Nintendo now that I did back in the early 1990′s, but this time, with a bulky and uninteresting tablet as the controller. Just like graphics don’t make a game, a controller doesn’t make a console – games do. And as long as Nintendo keeps producing the same games year after year after year, I’ll happily give all my money to other companies and third party developers.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Dustin-Gunn/100000267615428 Dustin Gunn

    Yeah fuck nintendo for making sequels! *jerks off over Elder Scrolls 5, Batman 2, Deus Ex 3*

    • Anonymous

      Actually, Deus Ex 3 is more like a reboot than a sequel. 

      • Anonymous

        Actually, Deus Ex: Human Revolution is a Prequel, not a Sequel. It comes before the first game. At least, that’s what I’ve read all over the place.

  • http://www.facebook.com/bearses Eric McFadden

    my fucking thoughts exactly.

  • http://www.facebook.com/bearses Eric McFadden

    my fucking thoughts exactly.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jason-Batt/1291764711 Jason Batt

    Variety is the spice of life, just as we all have our taste for certain games or what machine we play on their are times where we can’t please everyone.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jason-Batt/1291764711 Jason Batt

    Variety is the spice of life, just as we all have our taste for certain games or what machine we play on their are times where we can’t please everyone.

  • Anonymous

    The yawning and falling asleep was EXACTLY my feelings too Spoony.  Hell yeah for being representative of the thinking gamer!  Loved this stuff.  Never seen Psychotaku before so i’m gonna check him out once i’m done watching these!

  • Anonymous

    It’s official: Spoony thinks anyone over the age of 18 who likes Nintendo is a manchild.

    No harm to you, mate, but if you don’t like Nintendo at all, why cover them? Why bother? You could’ve spent the time enjoying Skyrim or Arkham Asylum or Bioware’s new romance simulator (in which everyone is gay and if you aren’t the game punishes you) instead of trotting out the same old arguments everyone trots out when Nintendo does anything.

    • http://twitter.com/Yadokingu Moritz

      We have been over this many many times (not with you specifically but in general). The game only punishes you for shooting characters down if you led them on beforehand.
      If you don’t want characters to hate you for shooting them down, just don’t get their hopes up. The romance options are clearly marked with hearts.
      Btw. that goes for men and women alike. It isn’t biowares fault that you are too much of a manwhore to notice, because you actually want to “romance” every women in there.

  • http://www.animerrill.com/ Ethan Merrill

    Spoony, why you trollin’?

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Roler-Dark/100000545592088 Roler Dark

      because he can, he’s not going to hold back his opinions just to keep fanboys happy

      i like nintendo, but honestly i think it’s stupid that so many people is getting butthurt over his opinion

      • http://www.animerrill.com/ Ethan Merrill

        I’m really not affected by his opinion, and I agree people who are really interested in wasting enough energy to be officially “butt hurt” are probably being ridiculous, but I do think at a certain point he’s traded real journalism to exhibit a bit of showmanship. Obviously it’s worked because it’s gotten me to come back to this page almost three times now (which I know from experience is just RACKING him up some major ad revenue), but I think if he wanted to be taken seriously as a gaming journalist he would try to get more educated on Nintendo franchises and technology before making so many blanket statements about them.

        YES. He’s allowed to have those opinions and state them as flamboyantly and publicly as he wants, regardless of what fanboys think, but his opinions show clear ignorance about the subject matter and even clearer hypocrisy when it comes to the franchises and companies he DOES take interest in.

        PS. Which is not to say that I think what he says about Nintendo is true about Skyrim or Batman 2, which I’ve basically creamed myself to death over Skyrim at this point, its just a lot of similar arguments can be made especially with the level of ignorance he uses masked as cynicism.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Roler-Dark/100000545592088 Roler Dark

          well spoony isn’t excactly what it would call a reviewer that is an expert on the matter

          i think people would enjoy themselves better if they stopped taking spoony’s word at face value, for the excact reasons you just mention

          ì come to this site to have fun hearing spoony either raging or raving at whatever he’s revieweing or talking about, and let’s be honest, he’s aware of it, that’s why the description of his video ask for the viewers to have a bit of mercy towards him, he made it with all intention to piss people off

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Roler-Dark/100000545592088 Roler Dark

          well spoony isn’t excactly what it would call a reviewer that is an expert on the matter

          i think people would enjoy themselves better if they stopped taking spoony’s word at face value, for the excact reasons you just mention

          ì come to this site to have fun hearing spoony either raging or raving at whatever he’s revieweing or talking about, and let’s be honest, he’s aware of it, that’s why the description of his video ask for the viewers to have a bit of mercy towards him, he made it with all intention to piss people off

  • doresh

    Not only can Nintendo only do sequels, but they’re starting to get too lazy to make them themselves. Metroid Other M, anyone?

    I’m not sure if the Wii U will be a success. It basically takes the Gamecuba-GBA-connection gimmick and turns it into a whole new console – with some problems:

    - looking at 2 different screens at the same can be a bit of a hassle, especially if one is right in front of you and the other one in the background

    - what’s the deal with this “You can play WITHOUT a television”-gimmick? It basically turns the Wii U into a handheld-system that needs to be in close proximity to a base station. How can that be progress?

    - the Wii U can only handle one tablet controller at a time, so additional ones can not be bougth separately – so your better not break the one you have!

    - thanks to the above limitation, most multiplayer games will probably be Wiimote only, making the tablet controller completely useless.

    I really fear console gaming has reached a point where graphics can’t advance any longer, so that developers have to constantly come up with stupid gimmicks…

  • Anonymous

    I have to agree with you, and disagree with you at the same time.

    Starting with Motion Controls, when done properly as Nintendo usually does
    They can actually enhance the gameplay. Taking a game Like Metroid Prime 3, or even
    the rereleased MP Trilogy, There is no comparison between playing with the pointer vs the
    Game pad. Aiming is much, much easier. There are certain environmental sequences like pulling objects, pushing objects that while could be done with a button press, do go a little further at attempting immersion. That’s the sort of stuff Nintendo was really going for with the Wii.

    Now where I’ll agree with you on Motion controls, is that outside of Nintendo, and a handful of 3rd party games many games shoe horned in “Shake the wiimote” where it really wasn’t neccesary.
    It certainly didn’t help that when they loosened their standards on what could be apporved to get on the console, we ended up with more shovelware than the Atari 2600 had.

    As far as new Ideas or IP’s I will say Nintendo actually did a lot of them, but not a lot of people in the hobbyist end noticed. Because they were putting out IP’s that your mom could play, your sister could play, your grandparents could play, Stuff a 15yr lapsed gamer could play.
    And you know what? Some of those games were actually a lot of fun when played with those people.
    I had a number of good times this gen playing Wii Play, Wii Sports Resort, Big Brain Academy, Wario Ware Smooth Moves, and the like with them.
    Did I play them alone? No. The games I played alone or with friends who are huge gamers were either classic Nintendo IP’s, or third party games like Tatsunoko vs Capcom, Conduit, HotD overkill, No More Heroes, etc.
    The majority of big non wii games that came out I bought for Windows.

    Nintendo Wii U is looking to take their new audience to the next level,  while giving them the horsepower to play the HD games they couldn’t before. With the rumors swirling that there won’t be a new Sony or Microsoft console for another 2-3 years, if Nintendo gets the big “Dudebro” stuff on Wii U there is a very good chance they’ll have a big enough lead with the “Core” (I hate that word) gamer to keep a commanding lead when they do come out. It’s a calculated risk that will pay off huge if it works.

    When it comes to their classic IP’s though I think you have a point. Zelda isn’t different enough from the outside observer. Galaxy was the first Mario since 64 that was a bit different. Some of the other rehashes/reboots didn’t work out so well. But they were still good most of the time.
    And honestly as others have pointed out to you, It’s not like Nintendo is the sole company with this issue.  How many times will we buy Call of Duty, Battlefield, Batman, Dragon Age, Fable (Which the Kinect Fable reminded me of your Xcom rant last E3 “BETRAAAAYYYYYEED!”) Before they peter out? This arguement to me should really be posed to the entire videogame industry rather than laid at the feet of Nintendo.

    As for the rest of it? Well they didn’t show much outside of tech demos so there isn’t much to comment on. I for one am excited about the potential they talked about with enhancing existing types of games, or what they could do with new ones.

  • Tommy Ehrenzeller

    Yeah, because OBVIOUSLY it’s impossible to innovate if a game follows a similar structure to another in the same series. In fact, all sequels are evil and should never happen. Zelda? Mario? Elder Scrolls? Arkham City? All garbage, because there’s OBVIOUSLY nothing new in them. Oh wait, except for EVERYTHING!

    New level designs, with new puzzles to solve using new items in creative ways? That’s called innovation. A new fantasy RPG? Seriously? If there’s one genre that lacks innovation these days, it’s RPGs. The only truly unique RPG I can remember playing are Pokemon and, hey, Paper Mario!

    And then you rag on Luigi’s Mansion 2. The original is probably the most unique game I’ve ever played. It’s not a platformer despite being a Mario (well, Luigi) game. It was something different with gameplay literally unlike anything except itself.

    Now, motion control. Here, I can understand your frustration. Different strokes for different folks, but personally, I find games like Red Steel 2 and Zelda a bit more engaging and, what’s that word, oh yeah, fun if I’m swinging the sword.

    Alright, I think I’ve finished. Sorry Spoony, I really am a fan of your stuff, but you really seem to insist on forcing the fact that we are two very different gamers.

  • http://bluehighwind.blogspot.com/ BlueHighwind

    “NINTENDO MAKES THE SAME GAME EVERY TIME.”

    Whine whine whine.  Go play something else then.

    • Anonymous

      News flash, that’s what he was going to do. Why do you think he was going to the Skyrim booth?

  • Tommy Ehrenzeller

    Man, you both beat me to it. Anyway, yeah, you said everything I did, but better.

    Oh, and good to see another Luigi’s Mansion fan!

  • http://twitter.com/oXNiLordXo NiLord Rius

    You fool! Nintendo making same games? No! FPS, FPS, FPS that’s the same thing….

  • http://twitter.com/Mecahawk Tyler Burnette

    Personally, I really like the 3DS. I think Dimensions is maybe the best DOA game ever made. I’ve never owned Ocarina of Time before, and I love Star Fox so much I’d pay $40 for a portable remastered version of it. Otherwise I somewhat agree with you. I’m not much of a fan of the WiiU. The portability, 3D, and online factors of superb classic games is almost enough for me to validate $40

  • http://twitter.com/Mecahawk Tyler Burnette

    Also, Kid Icarus looks phenomenal.

  • http://twitter.com/Okanehira Okanehira

    You know arguing with Nintendo fans is like arguing with religious people? They have “faith” in their religion/brand which means no matter how valid your argument is (and it is valid) they will simply pass you off as a “non-believer” and ignore everything you say.

    Enjoy your reheated and rehashed kiddie games man-children and nostalgia amigos, i’ll look for some innovation and originality.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Josh-Taylor/523378875 Josh Taylor

      I’d counter you with that whole “religious” thing you’ve got going there “You believe in something I can’t see, I don’t believe it because I can’t see it” but I’d say the last thing Spoony, or anyone wants, especially on a video game thingy is a religious debate.

      Its funny because usually in both cases both sides give similar answers “Your God doesn’t exist!” “How do you know?” “I can’t see him!” “My God does exist!” “How do you know?” “I believe!” “Your series is stale!” “How do you know?” “I watched someone play it a bit!” “Your gun games are boring!” “How do you know?” “Its guns, the same stuff..guns!”

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Roler-Dark/100000545592088 Roler Dark

      fanboys will always be fanboys

      spoony will always have a reputation for pissing off underage noobs and blind fanboys

      what i really love is that people get so offended as if spoony had burned their houses and stole their money

      aren’t we all adults here? i thought people would have learned by now to stop taking things so serious

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Josh-Taylor/523378875 Josh Taylor

         I also love how defending Nintendo instantly makes you underage and a fanboy, its even funnier since its mostly people that are like 18-23 or so playing the Nintendo games and its people between 12 and 17 playing the shooters.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Roler-Dark/100000545592088 Roler Dark

          if the sack fits you, wear it

          if you’re not underage and you’re not a fanboy you didn’t have to get offended by my comment

          also: there’s a difference between defending nintendo and utterly throwing a tantrum because someone didn’t like it

          and defending nintendo from what? spoony isn’t excactly going to make the sales of the wii U lower

          • Anonymous

            well no not really…..perhaps people can get offended by instantly being labelled as either underage or a fanboy simply because they can defend their nintendo loving opinions with something other than snoring for 90 seconds??

    • Anonymous

      “You know arguing with Nintendo fans is like arguing
      with religious people? They have “faith” in their religion/brand which
      means no matter how valid your argument is (and it is valid) they will
      simply pass you off as a “non-believer” and ignore everything you say.”

      And this is different from Sony/Microsoft/PC fans how?

  • http://twitter.com/DigitalWarriors James Drover

    I get your opinion I do and I respect them, I even admit that Nintendo was not ready for this show and didn’t have enough to show with their new system and that they desperately needed some new IP (whatever happened to project hammer?) and why you would be tired with their old ones overused as they are. The only problem I had with it was with the insult’s. Their is a huge difference between, I just don’t get it, it feels like a rehash and I’m not going to bother. And how can you like this, your an idiot for liking it. I get in reviews it usually done for comedy and it is funny to watch you overreact in your own way(like say with ex-com), but truly and actively insulting your fans may have been a step to far. Don’t misunderstand I’m not one of these fans who are going to whine and threaten never to visit this site again but for venues like E3 and reporting you should tone it down and try to be a little more professional about your disagreements.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Gabriel-Lamarre/575873354 Gabriel Lamarre

    I’m not the kind to get into an argument, especially not with someone I respect, but here’s what I think…

    Many commenters here mention the fact that you are hyped about Skyrim, despite it being pretty much the same as the other games in the Elder Scrolls series. And you say that they are wrong and bring some points about how Skyrim actually brings new stuff. And you know what? You’re probably right! Since you played the games, you know more about it than people who just watched the trailer or gameplay footage.

    However, when it comes to Zelda, it seems to be the other way around. Now, you are the one who sounds like he never went farther than gameplay footage. I’m very curious to know what was the most recent game in the Zelda franchise you played seriously. And judging by your “Nintendo is for kids” attitude, I guess you haven’t played one in quite a while.

    Your Final Fantasy rants, even if they are filled with hatred, are pretty fun to watch, because you actually played the games and can point more specific problems about them than just saying stuff like “It’s the same game with a different wimpy protagonist. I hate it. The end.”

    Ranting about games you never played is obviously not professional, but
    it’s also not fun for the watchers, even if they agree with you.

    I’m not trying to be provocative or anything, I just want you to consider that for an outsider, games of the same franchise look pretty much the same, even if you think differently. That’s normal, there wouldn’t be much of a point to a franchise if the games in it had nothing to do with each others except maybe the story.

    On a side note, I love JewWario and Psychotaku’s synchronized laughs!

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jeff-Shirley/1610373832 Jeff Shirley

      I agree with this post, and I’m afraid if Spoony were to actually lay out his argument with his points against Zelda I’m afraid even he might actually see he’s wrong about it.  To say that Majora’s Mask, Wind Waker, Twilight Princess, Spirit Tracks, and Skyward Sword are the SAME GAME, is to be blind.

      I thought the part where he snores for 90 seconds to be boorish.  It’s the same, tell people WHY you don’t like it.  Don’t just Family Guy your way out of it, say why.  you don’t like motion controls?  fine!  say that!  Don’t shit on the series without actual argument points.

      See this is actually a debate I’d like to have on the terms set.  Has Zelda changed since 1998, and if it has, how?  The problem is the people who who say it hasn’t just call the people who disagree butthurt fanboys and walk away.  It’s a dual purpose strawman AND ad hominem argument that’s incredibly stock and boring.

      Also, forgive me for saying this, but I really don’t appreciate having my manhood challenged for liking Zelda and Super Mario.  Calling shit “kiddy” is high school shit, the same kind of shit that calls D&D “satanic” or “nerdy.”  It really hurts when nerds turn their swords on each other to see who can be the coolest person in a group of uncool people.  I already had to witness some bullying in high school because some of my compatriots thought Mario and Pokemon was for kids (one kid was actually struck with rocks after school for being “queer” because he said he liked Pokemon) and it pains the hell out of me to see this behavior continued on the web, after high school.  I had to keep my video game habit a secret.

      Apparently, even among nerds, I’m still not cool enough.

      • http://twitter.com/RocMegamanX RocMegamanX

        Speaking of D&D, wasn’t he defending D&D when he did that “Mazes and Monsters” review?

  • Anonymous

    So many Nintendo Fanboys.

    you guys could give Apple fanboys a run for their money…

    • Anonymous

      And so many Sony, Microsoft, and PC fanboys too. Quick! Somebody call an exterminator! We got ourselves an infestation!

      • http://twitter.com/Tony7wsfk Tony

        You sound kind of mad. Just sayin’.

        • Anonymous

          I was being flippant.

    • Anonymous

      I recently declared that Nintendo is indeed the Apple of Japan. Both love making money. Both love small, white plastic electronics. Both have rabid fanbases who will cut you if you say anything bad about their favorite company. And both fanbases will buy WHATEVER new shiny white electronic item they sell as an upgrade.

      Apple to the core.

    • http://twitter.com/RocMegamanX RocMegamanX

      You know if Apple made another console(The Pippin apparently counts), I’d be surprised.

    • http://twitter.com/RocMegamanX RocMegamanX

      You know if Apple made another console(The Pippin apparently counts), I’d be surprised.

  • http://twitter.com/Mr_Swank Matthew Swank

    *takes deep breath to calm fanboy rage*
    I’m going to have to respectfully disagree with you here Spoony. Maybe to you the main franchises seem old and tired, but to me and clearly many other people it isn’t. I do get what you’re saying, but I do feel that though the basic structure in the main IPs are the same each iteration tends to change things enough that it still feels like a fresh experience, while still providing the same solid gameplay that we enjoy. Let’s take Mario for instance. Obviously Mario 64 was a big thank, being one of the first 3d games to really work. I doubt you would argue that. Super Mario Sunshine offered a unique location and the fludd, which changed the gameplay signifigantly. Mario Galaxy did the whole gravity thing which worked extremely well (admittedly Galaxy two did rehash that though, hence it being rather forgettable). At the risk of repeating myself, my point again is that these changes are enough to keep the games fun and unique. And here’s the bottom line, each time I play the new mario, or the new zelda I enjoy the game, I have fun, and find it to be an overall solid gaming experience. That is not something I’m going to be ashamed of, and would appreciate not being insulted for.

  • http://www.ofinteresttome.com/ Matthew Jordan

    I said it last year and I’ll say it again, Spoony you are 100% spot on about Nintendo. I completely agree. That’s why the last Nintendo product I owned was a N64, nothing they’ve done since then has Interested me at all. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/burntfuzz Connor Wojtowicz

    Look at all the Nintendo fanboys

  • Anonymous

    If I reach into this topic I’ll probably find someone’s severed arm. 

    EDIT: Yeah, I just found someone’s decapitated head and a torched corpse. I’m gettin the hell outta here.

  • Anonymous

    Seriously spoony? did someone stop following you because you “bashed” nintendo? heck, I’m a nintendo fan but why would I stop following you just because you have a different opinion? never have I met someone who agrees with me on every single issue. Does that mean that I couldn’t be friends with them? noooooooo.

  • http://twitter.com/Simbaka Thomas Punton

    Okay I remember growing up with nintendo since the NES days and maybe I will be bias, but are just saying that we should just, throw away all of our Nintendo systems and grow up then?

    I mean sorry if I am not one that is all hardcore blood and guts, so much into violence. Is that a crime? And like the old saying, “If it aint broke don’t fix it.” Just because every single game that comes out isn’t rewritten with new an improved features doesn’t mean it has to be a bore.

    Don’t worry, I guess I will hold back from buying a 3DS, cause the people think I need to grow up.

    • Anonymous

      Whatever your reasons, I’m holding back on a 3DS because I don’t have the money to spend freely on video games. Not while I have tuition to pay.

      • http://twitter.com/Simbaka Thomas Punton

        Well price aside (I can greatly relate with not having the free money to buy it) it just feels like if it isn’t fresh and exstreme, its boring.

        Take for example that Cartoon Network is bringing back a new Looney Tunes series. It would be like everyone upset its boring and its the same hit on the head with an anvil and instead, they would go to the network that has this:

        http://youtu.be/-9nOD1h0m8Q

        So basically, “If it aint broke, its boring and you are child for staying with it.”

      • http://twitter.com/RocMegamanX RocMegamanX

        But since you’re in college, after you leave, won’t you have to hold back because of family or bills to pay?

      • http://twitter.com/RocMegamanX RocMegamanX

        But since you’re in college, after you leave, won’t you have to hold back because of family or bills to pay?

  • http://www.invasiontherapy.com The Gonk

    “And I’m sorry.”

    Stop right there Spoony, no you’re not sorry or you’d have not gone on talking, frankly I don’t know what you’ve got to be sorry about and i don’t know why people say that before they say something that could offend people.

    I freely admit I’m a bit of a Nintendo fan boy had all the consoles and can’t wait for the new Mario games they are always fun. But at the moment I am done with the Legend of Zelda games, they are the same, I jumped off the FPS wagon (Don’t look at Borderlands) I’m jumping off the Zelda wagon. Once they make a good Zelda game (windwaker was good) I’m back. I don’t have too much of a problem with motion controls and I don’t get migraines my sympathies to those who do, I’m told they hurt like a bitch.

    In closing 3DS rules suckers!

    • Anonymous

      wait wait wait…..how can you say once they make a good zelda game you’re back on the bandwagon, stating wind waker was good??
      they have only had TP on a home console since…..you give up after one game???
      and you speak as if you know ANYTHING about how good skyward sword is going to be….you have no idea unless you can see the future

      • http://www.invasiontherapy.com The Gonk

        Well I think the comment speaks for itself really, I didn’t enjoy any of the Zelda games on the handhelds and I wasn’t as much of a fan of the handheld games or Majora’s Mask as other people seem to be.

    • Anonymous

      wait wait wait…..how can you say once they make a good zelda game you’re back on the bandwagon, stating wind waker was good??
      they have only had TP on a home console since…..you give up after one game???
      and you speak as if you know ANYTHING about how good skyward sword is going to be….you have no idea unless you can see the future

  • http://www.facebook.com/lordsimen Josh Langland

    If it’s any consolation, I agree with you 100% on your stance with Nintendo and this is coming from someone who enjoys Zelda, Mario and the like.  It’s a big reason why I don’t own a Wii. Don’t let backlash dissuade you from having an opinion, especially the well articulated one you presented in this video.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jeff-Shirley/1610373832 Jeff Shirley

      The part where he just snores into the microphone for 90 seconds?  That’s well articulated?

      And nobody’s saying Spoony can’t have an opinion, and I hope that you aren’t implying that our opinions about his opinions are trying to shut him down or something.

      The whole reason he’s getting backlash is he didn’t argue his points at all.  He just said kiddy a lot and snored.  That’s not the same as critical analysis.  Which is boring, and considering he said the same shit last year, in almost the same words, and reacted to the backlash in almost the same way, it seems like this whole ordeal is a boring sequel to Spoony’s E3 coverage last year, and it’s of the kind he seems to hate.

      • http://www.facebook.com/lordsimen Josh Langland

        He had the same arguments last year because Nintendo had the same problems last year. This fact, in actuality, proves his point more than anything.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jeff-Shirley/1610373832 Jeff Shirley

          If his arguments were “kiddy kiddy kiddy *snore noises*” last year then I’m not exactly sure Nintendo has the problems he and you say.  It’s still not the same as actual criticism.

          • http://www.facebook.com/lordsimen Josh Langland

            He criticized Nintendo for masquerading their stagnation as innovation – For focusing on gimmicky, dated hardware and releasing the same games repeatedly.  Most of their franchises rely solely on the player’s Nostalgia rather than bringing anything interesting to the table (With a few exceptions). His “kiddy” comments speaks to a complete lack of maturity through out all of Nintendo’s titles.  There was a time when Nintendo systems had games for all ages, but now they cater almost exclusively to children.

            These problems are the same Nintendo has had for years, last year included. I feel he articulated these points well in between his entertaining “snores” and “kiddy kiddy” comments. He is as much of a showman as he is a journalist and critic, after all.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jeff-Shirley/1610373832 Jeff Shirley

            “His “kiddy” comments speaks to a complete lack of maturity through out
            all of Nintendo’s titles.  There was a time when Nintendo systems had
            games for all ages, but now they cater almost exclusively to children.”

            Like when?  Back in their NES days?  With Mario, Zelda, Donkey Kong, Metroid?
            Or back in their SNES days?  With Mario, Zelda, Donkey Kong, Metroid?
            Or their N64 days? With Mario, Zelda, Donkey Kong, Smash Brothers, GoldenEye?
            Or their GameCube days? With Mario, Zelda, Donkey Kong, Pikmin, Smash Brothers, Metroid, Fire Emblem, Eternal Darkness?
            Or their Wii days? With Mario, Zelda, Donkey Kong, Smash Brothers, Metroid, Fire Emblem?

            Even if you counter by saying the franchises stay the same, how can the “maturity level” drop when Nintendo has been making the same style of games for years, which is your point?  Either Nintendo has made the sames games for decades and thus the “maturity level” never dropped, or Nintendo has changed their games through the years enough to be all “kiddy.”  You can’t have it both ways, man.

            As for “masquerading stagnation as innovation” we still haven’t established if such stagnation has occurred.  Apparently you can make sequels and still innovate, so it stands to reason that even if Spoony or you don’t like games like Zelda Skyward Sword, that still doesn’t mean the game isn’t innovative.  Just like a lot of people don’t like Wii Sports but you’d be moronic to say it wasn’t innovative.

            About the Wii U, we’ve already seen awesome ideas for innovative uses of the controller, particularly concerning asymmetric gameplay, particularly UBISoft’s Killer Freaks, which allows one player to play the game like an RTS sending aliens against the other player whose fending them off in FPS view.  That IS innovative, period, and certainly not stagnation.

            But that’s just my opinion.

          • Anonymous

            on the sequels point….why doesnt anybody make this point about the countless call of duty games that come out YEARLY…..

            people pick on nintendo as their ”kiddy” reputation of recent times is an easy target but an unfair one.  spoony should be arguing his points in a journalistic manner like you would think any ”critic” would set out to do, but instead its clear he has a made up mindset already from the beginning and jumps on that straight away.

            well said in all of your points @jeff shirley….somebody who analyses their points and puts them across in a sensible manner that makes sense….more journalistic and critical ability than many!

          • http://www.facebook.com/lordsimen Josh Langland

            -Every- gaming site trashes on Call of Duty these days.

          • http://www.facebook.com/lordsimen Josh Langland

            Even in the NES days, you also also had games such as Castlevania and Dragon Quest alongside the staples.  N64 had James Bond games and stuff like Concurs Bad Fur Day. The systems had games that reached to a bunch of different ages.

            “Either Nintendo has made the sames games for decades and thus the
            “maturity level” never dropped, or Nintendo has changed their games
            through the years enough to be all “kiddy.”  You can’t have it both
            ways, man.”

            You’re missing the point.  Nintendo’s maturity level hasn’t dropped, but a lack of mature titles for their current systems is clear.  This is part of the problem – their fans have grown up, and they have not.  Which is why many (myself included) are disillusioned by Nintendo’s recent out put.

            Granted, this new Nintendo Wii U does propose third party support, most of which are mature games.  But the games they announced we will get on our current systems a whole year before the Wii U even comes out.

            In fact, it’d be pointless to get the system for anything other than Nintendo’s (to borrow from Spooney) “Kiddy” titles at this point and those, while good for quick nostalgic fun, are not worth the price of a whole system.

            I never said I don’t like Zelda the Skyward sword.  I’ll play it if a friend happens to have it.  I personally think, much like Spoony pointed out, that it’s the same game they’ve released since Ocarina of Time.  It is true that Nintendo has added new details to each Zelda game, with the biggest changes probably being a “Waterworld” setting for Windwaker and werewolf Link.  But outside of that, these details do little to switch up the game play.  They still feel the same.  Go to dungeon, find new weapon, key, map, compass. Fight boss using the same technique 3, or 4 times and usually using aforementioned new weapon.  On the 4th or 5th attack do something slightly different to finish it off. Collect McGuffin. Rinse, repeat.

            I don’t consider gimmicky, boring mini games like Wii Sports to be innovative.  If anything, I consider stuff like that to be Nintendo’s downfall.

            But we’ll have to agree to disagree. I  am not a Nintendo Fanboy, and you clearly are. We will never see eye to eye.  You will defend it to death and do little to change my opinion, and I will tear them apart as I see fit and not sway you one way or another.

      • http://www.facebook.com/thormichel Thor-Michel Dymond

        “The part where he just snores into the microphone for 90 seconds?  That’s well articulated?”

        Yes it is indeed. Couldn’t be plainer in his intent. Also, comedy timing gold – at first I thought it was an exaggerated effect for ‘snoresville’, but then he just *kept on snoring*… by the time he started talking again I was giggling so much I had to rewind a little.

    • http://twitter.com/8bitTrotz Marco Trozzo

      “”well… articulated”"

      wow spoony, your fanbase just laps your crap up, don’t they?

      • http://www.facebook.com/lordsimen Josh Langland

        If you don’t like Spoony, what’s the point of watching his videos/commenting on them?  Oh. That’s right. Troll.

  • http://twitter.com/AhrimanGonzo Dwayne Adams

    My God the Proctology wards will be overflowing with the amount of butt hurt here….

  • http://twitter.com/AhrimanGonzo Dwayne Adams

    My God the Proctology wards will be overflowing with the amount of butt hurt here….

  • http://twitter.com/AhrimanGonzo Dwayne Adams

    My God the Proctology wards will be overflowing with the amount of butt hurt here….

  • Anonymous

    While I think you’re understating the Wii U’s capabilities, I definitely agree that Nintendo is just rehashing and rehashing and rehashing.  Even I’m not excited about Skyward Sword (honestly, I would be more excited it if played with a standard controller – the motion controls was what made me get Twilight Princess for the Gamecube, rather than the Wii), AND Skyward Sword is using Windwaker’s graphics, which seriously made me rage back in the day, despite that Windwaker was actually a good game.

    Also, Luigi’s Mansion 2?  Seriously?  While the first game wasn’t bad, it was not even close to what people expected for the Gamecube’s launch title, and it ended up being extremely underwhelming.  I don’t know what would bring Nintendo to make another one.  Hey, you think the villain might be BOWSER THIS TIME?

  • Anonymous

    While I think you’re understating the Wii U’s capabilities, I definitely agree that Nintendo is just rehashing and rehashing and rehashing.  Even I’m not excited about Skyward Sword (honestly, I would be more excited it if played with a standard controller – the motion controls was what made me get Twilight Princess for the Gamecube, rather than the Wii), AND Skyward Sword is using Windwaker’s graphics, which seriously made me rage back in the day, despite that Windwaker was actually a good game.

    Also, Luigi’s Mansion 2?  Seriously?  While the first game wasn’t bad, it was not even close to what people expected for the Gamecube’s launch title, and it ended up being extremely underwhelming.  I don’t know what would bring Nintendo to make another one.  Hey, you think the villain might be BOWSER THIS TIME?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Sean-Washington/100001096188318 Sean Washington

    I would like to just add another comment here; things that are completely missed by Spoony and many “core gamers” is the fact that Wii U, despite the dislike for it, is a very important console because 5 years ago Nintendo established themselves as trend setters for the gaming world with the Wii and it’s motion controls.

    Nintendo is once again looking to try to set a new trend with tablet controllers, though I think a lot of inspiration has come from products like the Apple iPad which really is Nintendo’s main competitor in terms of the casual gaming space.Wii changed the way people think about video games, regardless whether or not the software was good. It actually forced Microsoft and Sony to change their own product paths and move towards more motion based platforms. That is how influential Nintendo has been, and I bet that when the Wii U is successful, you will see tablet based controls from Sony and Microsoft.

    The sheer importance as to why we should care about Wii U is completely being ignored by a lot of gamers. If you want to be a voice in the gaming community, you have to realize that Nintendo is always relevant and what they do matter’s. Otherwise a lot of gamers might be left in the dust not understand why.

    • Anonymous

      here here!  alot of spoonys comments are totally missing the point, he didnt even TRY to find anything good to say. 
      i disagree with his zelda comments too, but fail to care enough to explain as the barrage of ”zelda fanboy” will just come hurling towards me.  to say the zelda games lack story…..ummm ok.

    • http://jaketaylorwritingstudio.com/ Shadowflame

      Yeah, see, and the point -you’re- missing is, most gamers -hate- motion controls, and so we hate Nintendo for causing the others to follow them in those terms. Nintendo being influential is a very, very bad thing, because Nintendo is a -terrible- role model.

      If the Wii U has the same influence, we’ll get another crop of useless peripherals and bland games just like we did with motion controls. Many of us want Nintendo to stop with the gimmicks.

  • http://www.gamerscorner.co.uk Gamers Corner

    The thing I really worry about with the Wii U is the timing of the release, especially if it can only match the power of the PS3 and Xbox 360. Nintendo fans (who tend to skew towards the younger demographic) only have so much disposable income and they could be splitting their own fan base between the Wii U and the 3DS.

    Also if the Wii U can only match the PS3 and 360 then how will it attract the “core” gamers it’s trying to appeal to? Especially if Sony and Microsoft announce that they’re working on their next gen soon. People will just bypass the Wii U and wait for the “real” next gen consoles.

  • http://www.gamerscorner.co.uk Gamers Corner

    The thing I really worry about with the Wii U is the timing of the release, especially if it can only match the power of the PS3 and Xbox 360. Nintendo fans (who tend to skew towards the younger demographic) only have so much disposable income and they could be splitting their own fan base between the Wii U and the 3DS.

    Also if the Wii U can only match the PS3 and 360 then how will it attract the “core” gamers it’s trying to appeal to? Especially if Sony and Microsoft announce that they’re working on their next gen soon. People will just bypass the Wii U and wait for the “real” next gen consoles.

  • Renaissance_nerd

    I gotta agree with Spoony here, Motion controls did nothing for me in 2006, they do nothing for me now i do not own a Wii nor do i own a kinect or move. its a gimmick thats played out, not the future of gaming.

  • http://twitter.com/KFarlander Andrew K.

    Nintendo doesn’t do new IPs? Can I have some of whatever you are using Spoony?

    Nintendo does new IPs all the time! They are one of the few major publishing/dev owners to do so?

    Here is a list of all the ones I can think of off the top of my head for the GCN/GBA era (because that one is the last to be finished)

    Starfy (Japan only)
    Magical Vacation (has DS sequel known as Magical Starsign)
    Golden Sun
    Drill Dozer
    Eternal Darkness
    Geist
    Pikmin
    (The first US releases of Nintendo Wars, Custom Robo and Fire Emblem also came at this time).

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Josh-Taylor/523378875 Josh Taylor

      Starfy came out for the DS.

      • http://twitter.com/RocMegamanX RocMegamanX

        Yeah…which is the FIFTH installment of the series. And apparently didn’t do so well in sales.

      • http://twitter.com/RocMegamanX RocMegamanX

        Yeah…which is the FIFTH installment of the series. And apparently didn’t do so well in sales.

  • Anonymous

    Spot-on review there Spoony,

    I LOL at how hard you tried to get to the Wii U panel,
    and be distracted by more interesting things.

    and yes,
    how many times can you buy a rehash of OOT.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Josh-Taylor/523378875 Josh Taylor

      Since it was ported to the Gamecube once and then to the Virtual Console..once I guess twice?

  • Anonymous

    Yeah its a shame honestly that the Zelda series hasn’t evolved much since OoT. I mean even Majoras Mask was more creative than Twilight Princess. An Nintendo rehash’s ports way too much though I can’t blame them if those ports keep selling. I would make money rehashing old games too if my fans would let me.

    As for Wii U I was kind of shocked by it really. Mainly because as a controller that thing looks terrible. If I wanted to game on a crappy tablet I would. But that’s their answer as a next gen console? Total fail IMO. The N64 controller looks more comfortable an advanced than that. I mean so its going to support Battlefield an Batman? Great but its going to be a far more awkward an inferior experience trying to play them on that ****. They will probably sell a real controller later as an add on for another 50 bucks…..

    • Tansunn

      It’s compatible with existing Wii controllers and games.  Just use the Classic Controller or its Pro variety.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Miriam-Percival/1221204449 Miriam Percival

    For some reason the first thing that came to my mind was “Spoony, you’re wearing a watch? I thought you don’t like them!”
    …No idea why that was my first reaction and not the second, third or 15th, but yeah XD
    As for the new consolethingy that’s coming out…I don’t know about that. I’m still quite happy with what we have right now, thank you verry much Game Marked. Seriously, who has the money to buy yet an other new console/handheld/adaption/whatever? I get this feeling that it’s really not worth anymore to get something, it will be replaced soon by something else anyway, so i don’t know.
    New games, allways a good thing. As long as they don’t suck.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Miriam-Percival/1221204449 Miriam Percival

    For some reason the first thing that came to my mind was “Spoony, you’re wearing a watch? I thought you don’t like them!”
    …No idea why that was my first reaction and not the second, third or 15th, but yeah XD
    As for the new consolethingy that’s coming out…I don’t know about that. I’m still quite happy with what we have right now, thank you verry much Game Marked. Seriously, who has the money to buy yet an other new console/handheld/adaption/whatever? I get this feeling that it’s really not worth anymore to get something, it will be replaced soon by something else anyway, so i don’t know.
    New games, allways a good thing. As long as they don’t suck.

  • Anonymous

    And this is why I don’t really listen to your opinion on things you don’t already like. Slanted, pointless ramblings that I could find on 4chan about 2 weeks before you manage to get the same jokes edited together. If you’re going with a press pass shouldn’t you be trying to cover things like a journalist? Or failing that, just covering the things you are interested in?

    • Anonymous

      yeah…..this is what i was going to write but for the fear of being banned! well said :)

      • Anonymous

         I honestly don’t care. This kind of “reporting” boarders on trolling. It’s poorly done attempts at humor that I’ve already heard from other people who don’t know what they’re talking about all last week. He bans me, fine. Glad to hear his insulting opinion doesn’t stand to scrutiny.

        • http://jaketaylorwritingstudio.com/ Shadowflame

          So you’re looking -forward- to the next line of remakes? Really? Modern-day Nintendo is all about gimmicks. I think they forgot how to innovate, because they used to be the most innovative company in the industry. The difference is they didn’t have all the fancy tech available, so they innovated on the gameplay side, creating some of the greatest classics ever made.

          Now, they innovate on the technology side, and let the gameplay stagnate. How many times are we going to see the next Mario platformer, the next Zelda, the next Metroid, the next Mario Kart, the next Mario Party, the next Starfox? Tell me the last time Nintendo revealed a console’s lineup that wasn’t the same lineup as the previous one. They’ve fallen into a rut, and that’s not good for them -or- for gamers.

          • Anonymous

             Okay, so having a platform game’s sequel being a platform game is a rehash? Are you some kind of idiot? Mario Galaxy is one of the first platform games I’ve seen in the 3D use gravity to make a truly 3D experience. It was a great game and it changed several preconceptions about Mario. Mario Galaxy 2 is more of the same, but completely different levels. Why the hell wouldn’t you want this?

            Oh and the fucking irony of calling out a series for staying true to it’s genre and not alienating fans, while at the same fucking time having a picture of the ultimate symbol of series betrayal is hilarious. How’s Final Fantasy 13/14 for ya? Enjoying your limited leveling and hallways?

            Nintendo makes their games similar but changes several core mechanics in each iteration. A fine line that’s really hard to walk, but they mostly do a decent job (Other M and Epic Yarn being the only I can think of this generation). The company has about ten long running series they can regularly fall back on when gamers make it clear they don’t want innovation. Check sales figures for Pikmin and compare them to Mario Party 4 if you don’t believe me. Hell, I’ll save you the trouble, Mario Party 4 outsold Pikmin by nearly double.

            So yeah, when idiots claim that Nintendo doesn’t innovate they really need to look at their game library and count the number of innovative titles they’ve bought in the past.

          • http://jaketaylorwritingstudio.com/ Shadowflame

            I can count the number of Nintendo titles me and everyone I personally know have bought in the past since the N64. It’s really easy. Hint: It’s less than 1.

            Haven’t yet felt like I’m missing out, here.

            Actually, Final Fantasy XIII is quite enjoyable, thank you. Looking forward to the sequel and continuation of the story.

            You’re not gonna convert me to a Nintendo fan. XD I’m 23, not 12.

          • Anonymous

            I’m not interested in converting you, just pointing out your hypocrisy. You can feel free to enjoy your mature games, I’ll keep getting stuff I can play with my children with the same wonder I had at their age.

          • http://jaketaylorwritingstudio.com/ Shadowflame

            Well, in that case, I truly do hope you enjoy it, and I apologize for antagonizing you pointlessly.

            I agree I’m totally a hypocrite on this front, but I do wish Nintendo would move some of their games forward more. Still, I’m not going to criticize what you enjoy any further. Everyone has an opinion and I shouldn’t insult yours.

          • Anonymous

             The primary thrust of what I was saying was that when Nintendo has tried to make new IP, new games, or completely new series they’ve always been left holding the bag. Gamers say they want new experiences but constantly just get excited for games that are sequels to something they like.

            And I do get that. Games aren’t cheap in terms of time investment. So it makes sense to stick with stuff you know you like. I just find it insulting when gamers complain that something they already don’t like is making a sequel that is similar. It’s really just asinine to expect every game to cater directly to you when it’s already got a good following, and is a genuinely enjoyable game for most people.

            New games aren’t that hard to find, they’re just hard to become popular. Even Minecraft hasn’t made a too much money compared to Madden NFL 2010 and that’s probably the most unique independent game that came out last year.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Josh-Taylor/523378875 Josh Taylor

            True, if you were 12 you’d be playing Black Ops.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Daniel-Faas/631136073 Daniel Faas

    Hah! You were right in front of the World of Tanks banner when you did the bit with Psychotaku and JW. Will you be reviewing it at any point? As a tread-head and WWII history nut, I love it, but it really is not for everyone, so I’d be interested to get your take on it.

    Also, I think you may have been a LITTLE hard on Nintendo, but I’m kinda skeptical too. I mean, without them we wouldn’t have rumble, dual analog sticks, rear triggers, or a dozen other things we take for granted now that were considered strange or just plain stupid gimmicks when Nintendo came up with them. BUT they also are notorious for failing to capitalize on their innovations.

    Here’s hoping! *fingers crossed*

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Daniel-Faas/631136073 Daniel Faas

    Hah! You were right in front of the World of Tanks banner when you did the bit with Psychotaku and JW. Will you be reviewing it at any point? As a tread-head and WWII history nut, I love it, but it really is not for everyone, so I’d be interested to get your take on it.

    Also, I think you may have been a LITTLE hard on Nintendo, but I’m kinda skeptical too. I mean, without them we wouldn’t have rumble, dual analog sticks, rear triggers, or a dozen other things we take for granted now that were considered strange or just plain stupid gimmicks when Nintendo came up with them. BUT they also are notorious for failing to capitalize on their innovations.

    Here’s hoping! *fingers crossed*

  • Daniel Ajaloleru

    I just want to say, if you don’t like the wii or its games, that’s fine, if you don’t like the WiiU or its new features, that’s fine, if you don’t like the Nintendo franchises and think they are rehashed that is also fine I will respectfully disagree with you there but its fine, but insulting Nintendo fans calling us kiddies and bashing said franchised without backing up your points in any way, that is not fine, at all this is where my respect for you dies a swift death.

    Spoony you have become nothing more than the video game reviewer equivalent of a clown entertaining to watch for the most part but I cant have any respect at all for what you say or you and all the backlash you get for this is entirely deserved.”I’m sorry” no you are not the phrase “I’m sorry Implies remorse for something you have done, If you had any remorse for saying what you said you would have just edited it out, saying “I’m sorry” will not make up for insulting every Nintendo fan who watches this and the series you are bashing out of pure bias especially when we know this is a blatant lie, that shit will not fly spoony, insult the game series if you must do not insult us you asshole.I can understand saying the remakes of games like ocarina of time 3D and Starfox 64 3D are rehashing that’s fine but saying that Zelda Ocarina of time, Majoras mask, twilight princess and skyward sword which not only uses the wii motion plus and is not freaking out yet so how the fuck would you know? says to me that you never gave a passing glance to any zelda game after ocarina of time and are judging them as such solely because the word Zelda is in the title, Play the games before you talk maybe then less bullshit will erupt from your mouth, because of this your words can hold no value on this subject, In fact when it comes to the zelda series I would dare say you have as much credibility as the irate gamer. and the same goes with your remarks on the Mario franchiseOh and how could anyone play yet another game in the Luigi’s mansion series all 2 of them yeah I can totally see how this series is yet another rehashed franchise I mean the previous game was only released 10 years ago and on the game cube and yet they are churning out another! Yeah that’s where my sarcasm ends you are an idiot spoony next time look up the thing you are about to bash before you bash it.

    And calling us kiddy is hypocrisy at its finest when you are the one hurling out the childish insult and that hole snoring thing wasn’t entirely mature now was it.

    And my venting is now over, Have a nice day and think before you speak.

    • Joe_the_robot moe_the_robot

      You do have to admit he does have some very good points, I like nintendo but really he does have some points , the zelda series recently has been slight tweaking with different levels
      and that they have not come out with an ORIGINAL GAME franchise in years and sorry you were so upset about one person’s opinoin

      • Daniel Ajaloleru

        the wii games like wii sports the brain training games dont count? not all IPs have to be “core” and its not his opinion that upset me its that he came across as an asshole with it.

        and they do make new series, its just that they make them spinoffs of pre established series, like the mario kart games, or kirby mass attack and epic yarn or the legend of zelda crossbow training, if they didnt just put their spinoff  games under their old franchise you would not be making this flimsy point. it seems to me you just want new characters.

        and as forthe zelda series becoming slight tweaking with different levels, I dont see it, maybe you do but to me they are all different enough.

  • Anonymous

    Spoony is just like the modern Final Fantasy fan.

    Stories and characters have always been and always will be ancillary in video games.  That is why games like Mario Kart and the 2D Mario games can sell 20 million +.  Even the most successful franchises outside of Nintendo, such as, GTA, COD, and Halo are not about stories.  Yes they have stories but that is not why people play them.  Whereas the best story-driven games manage only a few million in sales.  I’m not saying I don’t like a few of those games.  I’m just saying that there is only so much you can do with a story or character before people lose interest.  That isn’t the case with videogames and that is what makes them different from movies and books.

    Back to the original point, the modern Final Fantasy fan plays games for the story and characters.  That is why they can like FF 13 and I can absolutely hate it because for the most part you press X, run forward, and occasionally watch your characters dance(paradigm shift).  The old school FF fans played the games because they were fun and if the game had a good story, as well, such as FF VI, then that was icing on the cake.  Spoony is the same, in that, he likes story and characters in videogames.  However, he just likes different ones from the FF fans.  It all comes off as somewhat hypocritical.

    Lastly, I don’t want to seem like I’m ragging on Spoony too much.  I’m going to continue watching.  It’s just that when he talks about Nintendo he comes off as childish and uninformed.  Say what you will about his Final Fantasy reviews (I liked them), at least, he played those games from start to finish.  His opinions of Nintendo seem to come from nonsense and show floor demos.

  • Anonymous

    Spoony is just like the modern Final Fantasy fan.

    Stories and characters have always been and always will be ancillary in video games.  That is why games like Mario Kart and the 2D Mario games can sell 20 million +.  Even the most successful franchises outside of Nintendo, such as, GTA, COD, and Halo are not about stories.  Yes they have stories but that is not why people play them.  Whereas the best story-driven games manage only a few million in sales.  I’m not saying I don’t like a few of those games.  I’m just saying that there is only so much you can do with a story or character before people lose interest.  That isn’t the case with videogames and that is what makes them different from movies and books.

    Back to the original point, the modern Final Fantasy fan plays games for the story and characters.  That is why they can like FF 13 and I can absolutely hate it because for the most part you press X, run forward, and occasionally watch your characters dance(paradigm shift).  The old school FF fans played the games because they were fun and if the game had a good story, as well, such as FF VI, then that was icing on the cake.  Spoony is the same, in that, he likes story and characters in videogames.  However, he just likes different ones from the FF fans.  It all comes off as somewhat hypocritical.

    Lastly, I don’t want to seem like I’m ragging on Spoony too much.  I’m going to continue watching.  It’s just that when he talks about Nintendo he comes off as childish and uninformed.  Say what you will about his Final Fantasy reviews (I liked them), at least, he played those games from start to finish.  His opinions of Nintendo, though, seem to come from nonsense and show floor demos.

  • Anonymous

    Spoony is just like the modern Final Fantasy fan.

    Stories and characters have always been and always will be ancillary in video games.  That is why games like Mario Kart and the 2D Mario games can sell 20 million +.  Even the most successful franchises outside of Nintendo, such as, GTA, COD, and Halo are not about stories.  Yes they have stories but that is not why people play them.  Whereas the best story-driven games manage only a few million in sales.  I’m not saying I don’t like a few of those games.  I’m just saying that there is only so much you can do with a story or character before people lose interest.  That isn’t the case with videogames and that is what makes them different from movies and books.

    Back to the original point, the modern Final Fantasy fan plays games for the story and characters.  That is why they can like FF 13 and I can absolutely hate it because for the most part you press X, run forward, and occasionally watch your characters dance(paradigm shift).  The old school FF fans played the games because they were fun and if the game had a good story, as well, such as FF VI, then that was icing on the cake.  Spoony is the same, in that, he likes story and characters in videogames.  However, he just likes different ones from the FF fans.  It all comes off as somewhat hypocritical.

    Lastly, I don’t want to seem like I’m ragging on Spoony too much.  I’m going to continue watching.  It’s just that when he talks about Nintendo he comes off as childish and uninformed.  Say what you will about his Final Fantasy reviews (I liked them), at least, he played those games from start to finish.  His opinions of Nintendo, though, seem to come from nonsense and show floor demos.

  • nick_ventura_9

    Dont worry Spoony im the same way i dont really care for the Wii U and i was nevwer a nintendo fan so well i dont care for Nintendo. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Sean-Washington/100001096188318 Sean Washington

    Comments like the one below are clear evidence of why the “CORE” gamer are becoming more and more irrelevant to the gaming scene. The popular opinion for core gamers on things like motion and tablet controls are that “it shouldn’t exist.” 

    This kind of attitude does not promote progress in the game industry, rather it forces it into stagnation. It’s one of the reason why Japan has fallen so far off the game road map when it comes to compelling game design. They chose to stagnate and stay where they are familiar.

    The correct answer however is, “how can we make it better?” which is a clear answer towards progressing into a next generation of gaming. Core gamers are not willing to accept the importance of change, doing something different. 

    That means their feedback will not go into consideration when game developers need to make new hardware or when new game designs are being developed. Writing off Nintendo as being “crap” will hurt core gamers more than they think.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Niccolò-Temperanza/1655383551 Niccolò Temperanza

    Hi there Spoony, i’m a huge italian fan of your show and a zelda one as well. I partially agree with the points you made there, anyway i thought that the “Zelda not being original since OOT” is not completely true, in fact there’s a game that introduces an interesting game machanic never used again in a Zelda game, and it’s a direct sequel to OOT! I’m talking of course about The Legend of Zelda: Majora’s Mask. The 3 days, real time envirorment with this day/night gameplay was imo really interesting and had a lot of potential. Too bad with the improved technology nobody really thought that was a good idea to improve this concept to its best, instead we got the “changes into werewolf thingy” that is really cliched and not that revolutionary nor interesting. So bottom line, GRANDE SPOONY :D , keep it up man! And Nintendo: really hope that this new console is gonna bring to us games like Majora’s Mask. cya!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=37101365 Fraser Stewart

    I totally agree with Spoony on this one.  Nintendo hasn’t done anything good in years.  I remember when I was 14 I was the biggest Nintendo fanboy around, and HATED, literally hated the Playstation.  It was completely irrational, but since I’ve grown up I’ve found I like the playstation a lot more, and realised just how childish Nintendo games are.

    I’m 26, and I can still pick up Goldeneye, or Ocarina of Time and enjoy them, because they are really for all ages.  But just looking at the footage you showed, the new Nintendo stuff seems to be aimed solely at children under 12.  In other words, they want parents to buy their kids this stuff, rather than trying to sell games everyone can buy.

    That’s why I almost always play PC games, much more variety and innovation on the PC than consoles these days.  Although the mess that was GTA4 tells us that companies care more about console gamers than PC gamers these days, which really sucks.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IWTPLSVX6DDSSWCLHRW7DJJSTM mamasnatcher

      I’m in the exact same boat, sir. I absolutely hated the PSX until my buddy let me borrow his system and I played MetalGear. That is the exact moment that I stopped being a Nintendo fanboy, and started being more objective about games. Needless to say, I think true gamers know that Nintendo has crapped on us since the N64, and most of us have left.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IWTPLSVX6DDSSWCLHRW7DJJSTM mamasnatcher

      I’m in the exact same boat, sir. I absolutely hated the PSX until my buddy let me borrow his system and I played MetalGear. That is the exact moment that I stopped being a Nintendo fanboy, and started being more objective about games. Needless to say, I think true gamers know that Nintendo has crapped on us since the N64, and most of us have left.

  • Anonymous

    To be honest, I like the Wii gimmick. I have fun with it from time to time. However I would never have the Wii as my only console. There are some games I like playing with the motion controls (golf, mario cart, etc), but often times I also like playing on my nice sturdy PS3 with a regular hand held controller. Okay, points to Nintendo for “trying” new technologies… but I’m not sure how feasible this Wii U thing is going to work. Seriously, how much for monitor-rigged hand-held controllers? Especially if you want four players? As for Zelda… I have the original, I had II and Link to the Past. Only recently have I picked up (cheap) OoT and TP – one because of hearing it was great (OoT) and one because it actually had better graphics than the rest of the crap out there (TP). But honestly, I agree with Spoony, I see no advancement from Nintendo in terms of the game development. Simply having N64-3D is not going to keep me aboard. I’ll instead be looking forward to games that really catch my interest: like Arkham City…. and maybe in a few years Final Fantasy XIV (my one LAST hope for that franchise).

    • http://twitter.com/RocMegamanX RocMegamanX

      Don’t you mean FF15? I think 14 already came out as an MMORPG.

      • Anonymous

        Ack. Yes. I meant XV. I think my brain just purged all memory of XIV as part of a survival instinct.

    • http://twitter.com/RocMegamanX RocMegamanX

      Don’t you mean FF15? I think 14 already came out as an MMORPG.

  • http://www.facebook.com/MaSQuEdePuSTA Meurant Arthur

    Well, bashing Skyward Sword without even playing it seems like fair enough reporting. :p

    • Daniel Ajaloleru

      its almost as professional as reviewing a game you’ve never even heard of :P

  • http://twitter.com/Xikar Xikar

    Spoony you said it yourself in the second video you’re “old” and cynical. But the real fact of the matter is you’re not a Nintendo fan, or even a Nintendo skeptic. You see Nintendo and auto think “crap” and that’s your opinion and I respect it. But at the same time if you choose to give Nintendo the time in a video you should give an unbiased look at it. Instead you to bash the company and talk down to every fan out there who watches your videos.
    If you don’t want to talk about Nintendo. Don’t!!. We’ll get the information else where.

    The comments on Zelda are something I completely disagree with. Yes the combat of Zelda hasn’t “changed” since the 90s but that’s because they got it right. The movement the fighting, they’ve tweaked and added special moves in Wind Waker and Twilight Princess. But each title is wholly unique and creative. After all if its not broken don’t try to fix it. There are many sequels out there that try to “improve” upon the original only to fail and lose whatever prospect it had. Crysis 2 is the to come to mind.

    But as for me I’m a Nintendo fan being raised on the Super Nintendo and N64. And I’m skeptical with hope looking at the WiiU which is A NEW CONSOLE! Mainly because while the controller looks strange it still has all the basic buttons standard to the other controllers, which means we can see games similar to that on the Sony and Microsoft consoles.

  • http://twitter.com/8bitTrotz Marco Trozzo

    Ah yes, Spoony.
    Once again proving that you’re gaming’s Jim Cramer.
    A clown, jumping around making funny noises trying to be relevant.

    Get some integrity dude. I could find that anti-nintendo crap anywhere, Dime a dozen these days.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/David-Rodoy/775323495 David Rodoy

      So what should he do, lie about his opinions on the Wii-U to please you? And thus show a lack of… what’s that word… integrity?

      • http://twitter.com/DigitalWarriors James Drover

        Don’t mind the opinion, just not a fan of him insulting anyone who may like nintendo, labeling them as children and idiots. Not liking nintendo fine. Don’t like their direction and want more innovation out of their games fine ( I agree with alot of points). They are all valid argument that are worth discussion, but just don’t insult everyone. Their is a difference between “I don’t like this and i think its stupid”, and “I think this is stupid and your an idiot manchild if you like it”. One is an opinion, the other is trolling.

  • http://twitter.com/frice2003 Frank Rice

    I agree with you for one Spoony.  While I don’t always agree with your opinion on certain games by Nintendo, such as I love Smash Brothers, I think the 3DS and the Wii U is garbage.  Nothing there but gimmicks and things to make you look more like a fool while playing.  Maybe if Nintendo had decided, hey let’s make a Smartphone or let’s make something to sync across the Internet…Who knows none of this is original.  All of this is boring boring crap by them nothing I want to buy.

    • Daniel Ajaloleru

      can you see the future? you must be able to in order to know whether or not the WiiU will be good, either that or you are just jumping on the WiiU hate bandwagon

    • Daniel Ajaloleru

      can you see the future? you must be able to in order to know whether or not the WiiU will be good, either that or you are just jumping on the WiiU hate bandwagon

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IWTPLSVX6DDSSWCLHRW7DJJSTM mamasnatcher

    It’s beyond me how so many of you can sit there and defend Nintendo. With the Wii and the WiiU, they’ve proven that all they care about is pulling your money from your wallet. A company that was known to push the graphical envelope (at least with the SF, N64, and GC) took the easy route, and you peons praise them for giving you crap. I, like many of you, was raised on Nintendo consoles, but I cannot go back. The Wii was my last straw…

    • Daniel Ajaloleru

      oh and sony and microsoft are much better with shamelessly playing catch up? Nintendo is a company their hole point is to make money, same goes with sony microsoft and most third party developers hell the only reason sony got into the video game market was to get back at nintendo. And I find it funny that you are quickly judging the WiiU when its a year away from release and we still dont know much about it.

    • Daniel Ajaloleru

      oh and sony and microsoft are much better with shamelessly playing catch up? Nintendo is a company their hole point is to make money, same goes with sony microsoft and most third party developers hell the only reason sony got into the video game market was to get back at nintendo. And I find it funny that you are quickly judging the WiiU when its a year away from release and we still dont know much about it.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IWTPLSVX6DDSSWCLHRW7DJJSTM mamasnatcher

        I’m judging it on having 4 year old graphics tech before it’s even released. This machine would probably seize up trying to run Witcher 2 on medium settings, and this game was released when the rumors started up. Props to them for turning Mario Party into an entire system, and allowing me to play Ipad games at home though.

        • Daniel Ajaloleru

          according to tech specs it use the most powerful proessor there is at the moment and according to some eye whitness sources it can far out do the competition in graphics, but games are not about the graphics that’s just shallow.

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IWTPLSVX6DDSSWCLHRW7DJJSTM mamasnatcher

            Only a Nintendo fanboy would call the need for improved graphics in a new system “shallow”. Hope you enjoy only getting half your money’s worth in other aspects of your life as well.

          • Daniel Ajaloleru

            what does graphics add apart from pretty visuals? no game absolutely needs to look good, its just nice if they do. and it is shallow to put too much stock into weather a game looks good or not.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cado-Folust/100001915342551 Cado Folust

      Or, I don’t know, maybe we value something other than graphics? Seriously, I’m still okay with the PS2. Anything made since 2001 looks fantastic to me. Enough with the graphics, give us better AI, better scripts, more intriguing stories, new ways of playing, etc.

      Motion control is an ill-conceived idea but this? This is new. This could be a real step forward. I mean what else are you going to do with console controllers, add more buttons? Even if it doesn’t pan out at least it’s something different. Microsoft and Sony keep doing the same thing on the hardware front and then copy Nintendo when they strike gold. 

      These are not Nintendo’s glory days but to say they are not doing -anything- innovative is straight-up asshattery.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IWTPLSVX6DDSSWCLHRW7DJJSTM mamasnatcher

        Why didn’t they develop the motion controls for the GC and extend it’s life instead? Because they want your hard-earned money. I also find it amusing that you claim I said they weren’t innovating, which I didn’t. I said I don’t care. 

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cado-Folust/100001915342551 Cado Folust

          You’re right you didn’t explicitly say that, but you did make it sound like if they weren’t updating the graphics further than this they weren’t doing anything noteworthy. 

          As for releasing the Wii-mote for the GC, there’s no way they could have done everything they did on the Wii with the old console. We’re talking digital downloads, market penetration, etc.

          And yes-of course they want our money. They’re a business. This is only news to people who think invisible unicorns will crap candy into their hands if they click their heels three times. 

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IWTPLSVX6DDSSWCLHRW7DJJSTM mamasnatcher

            Right…it’s not like the GC was built with a modem in mind, eh? No offense (like the last sentence of BOTH posts by you), but you seem like the kind of plastic, excuse filled fan that Nintendo caters to. Enjoy your colorful games that are full of whimsey.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cado-Folust/100001915342551 Cado Folust

            Ugh, you are everything that is wrong with the gaming community.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/David-Rodoy/775323495 David Rodoy

        Thing is I’m the same way (don’t mind graphics) and to be honest not everything on the PS3/360 is good.

        But what bums me out with Nintendo is their own marketing. All I ever see advertised is yet more Zelda, yet more Mario, or gimmicky games with Mario attached to help it sell more. Yes they’re ahead of the curve on tech, but the games seem to be… well… old.

        I definitely want more intriguring stories etc. But I see no reason to believe Nintendo will ever provide that. The one game which made me want the PS3 more than anything was The Last Guardian, which should be astonishing. And Heavy Rain as well, for all its flaws.

        Nintendo has felt stale to me for years and years. I’m not against sequels, I’m a final fantasy fan for gods sake, but with Nintendo it feels like that’s all they have to offer, and that’s largely because NIntendo themselves only care about marketing their sequels to the audience I’m a part of, since I never really ‘got’ the motion craze.

  • Anonymous

    Just to answer you, I’m 21 years old and I actually can enjoy a Zelda. As a lot of people, it’s a game I have grown with. But I can’t deny that there hasn’t been a lot of change in the series since Ocarina of Time. The only thing that makes me buy new Zelda game isn’t innovation, it’s more something which is a mix of nostalgia and faith : the little kid in myself wants to find the same feelings he had when he first played A Link to the Past and hopes he will find those feelings in this brand new Zelda. And it always works, since that little kid just need a guy wearing green clothes, a sword and a shield. That nostalgic feeling is almost strong enough (yeah, I hated Spirit Track) to make me forget about the missing innovations and the blandness of the gameplay/scenario which always consisted to go fetch for shits in dungeons to restore Excalibur and go kill Ganondorf to save Zelda.

  • Anonymous

    Just to answer you, I’m 21 years old and I actually can enjoy a Zelda. As a lot of people, it’s a game I have grown with. But I can’t deny that there hasn’t been a lot of change in the series since Ocarina of Time. The only thing that makes me buy new Zelda game isn’t innovation, it’s more something which is a mix of nostalgia and faith : the little kid in myself wants to find the same feelings he had when he first played A Link to the Past and hopes he will find those feelings in this brand new Zelda. And it always works, since that little kid just need a guy wearing green clothes, a sword and a shield. That nostalgic feeling is almost strong enough (yeah, I hated Spirit Track) to make me forget about the missing innovations and the blandness of the gameplay/scenario which always consisted to go fetch for shits in dungeons to restore Excalibur and go kill Ganondorf to save Zelda.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000845992763 Dale Ambrosius

    Hmm. Spoony bashes the WiiU and Nintendo for its sequels, saying that every Zelda game is the same, but spooges his trows over The Elder Scrolls 5: Skyrim, Guild Wars 2 and Mass Effect 3.

    Yah, just thought I’d put that out there.

    • http://twitter.com/Okanehira Okanehira

      Sorry fanboy but those games have changes from the past iterations and don’t have 15 other similar sequels.

      • http://profiles.google.com/addermoray Adder M

        Who is being the fanboy here? Paper Mario, Thousand Year Door, and SPM all have VERY different mechanics and, assuming the 3DS one, are 4 games in 11 years. If they keep up this pace we will have 15 Paper Mario’s by 2042. 42 years from the first one.

        The first Luigi’s Mansion came out in 2001. If we assume the next one comes out this year that’s 10 years apart. At this rate we will have 15 Luigi’s Mansions in 2151. 150 years since the first one.
        The first Mario Kart came out in 1992. Counting the new one in 2011 that will be 7 games in the past 19 years. We will have 15 Mario Karts by 2031. 29 years since the first one.Let’s go with one of Nintendo’s biggest ‘rehashes.’ Main series Super Mario took 26 years to get 15 games. And that’s only if you count All-Star and Mario Bros (which played nothing like SMB).Mass Effect 1 and 2 are VERY similar, hell, Mass Effect 2 is considered by many to be a step BACKWARDS from ME1. And, counting ME3, that will be 3 games in 4 years. We will have 15 Mass Effects at this rate in 2028. 20 years after the first.

        Elder Scrolls doesn’t release that often, but only because they release expansion packs almost every year.

  • Anonymous

    I haven’t owned a Nintendo system ever since the SNES 15 years ago. Its almost impossible for me to be slightly interested in what Nintendo does anymore. I don’t get that nostalgic feeling everyone talks about. Streets of Rage and Altered Beast is nostalgic. You know why? Because there’s only one version of them. Every gen, Nintendo shoves Mario and Zelda in our faces. Get with the times Nintendo. There are a lot better games, new games, new IPs, new innovations that aren’t gimmick and only serve as novelty item.

  • Anonymous

    I haven’t owned a Nintendo system ever since the SNES 15 years ago. Its almost impossible for me to be slightly interested in what Nintendo does anymore. I don’t get that nostalgic feeling everyone talks about. Streets of Rage and Altered Beast is nostalgic. You know why? Because there’s only one version of them. Every gen, Nintendo shoves Mario and Zelda in our faces. Get with the times Nintendo. There are a lot better games, new games, new IPs, new innovations that aren’t gimmick and only serve as novelty item.

  • http://twitter.com/ToruMiyagishi Toru Miyagishi 徹 宮岸

    Yeah…
    I bought a DS to play The World Ends With You.
    And never used it since. Anything else Nintendo does never made me want to buy a Wii or a 3DS, so Wii U, I’ll pass.

  • Anonymous

    I haven’t cared about a Zelda game since Link’s Awakening for the Gameboy. Don’t get me wrong I really did enjoy playing that game and the old ones for the NES and SNES, but the Zelda gamesn just have zero appeal to me now. I suppose it depends on your age and what your first system was, but yeah I played Ocarina of Time for a few hours and it was okay I guess but after awhile it just got boring and I found something better to do.

    Anyways Spoony’s funny here as usual.

  • http://bwmedia.wordpress.com/ ShadowWing Tronix

    What was with the player at the end of the first video? Does it take that long to read “center” and move your arms? Even I’m faster than that.

  • Anonymous

    The changes Zelda has made is in making the value of the and the amount of enjoyment available increase. There are movers and shakers elsewhere, but a lot of the time the actual gaming of it all comes off as stale. There are certain games I play for fun and there are certainly games I play for a deep experience. RARELY do those things coincide, thus leaving me in a state which I have a piece of art I’ll never play again simply because it was boring. In this tanked economy, there needs to be push towards having fun with games and Zelda has done so consistently. Fun is at the core of Nintendo instead of trying so hard to be deep and serious (LOOKING AT YOU GOW3).

    As for the Wii-U, it has limitless potential. There is a huge step which developers could take in order to make the Wii-U functionality add to gameplay immensely. Imagine L.A Noire or Skyrim where you’re using the tablet to observe the objects in 3D and actually touching upon the parts you’d like to interact with to check for hidden clues and such. How about using it as a menu system whilst the game plays in real time? The tools are excellent, it’s simply up to developers to utilize them. Don’t be so cynical about all technology.

    • Anonymous

      Thinking about it, it would be kind of awesome to have the screen of the tablet function like a Pip-Boy in Fallout… hmmmmm 

  • A. GV.

    >Excited for the fifth The Elder Scrolls rehash which is bascially the same quest over and over again for 60 hours.
    >Bashing Nintendo rehashes.
    Oh you.

    • Daniel Ajaloleru

      > calls Luigis mansion a shitty rehashed franchise

      >Luigis mansion Series is only just now getting its seccond game after 10 years
      >Gets all giddy over the fifth game game in the elder scrolls series.

      oh that spoonyone.

  • Anonymous

    I’m not surprised. Nintendo is such a joke. Say what you will about Sony, at least the Playstation has had a perfectly functional, easy to use and extremely comfortable primary controller since its first incarnation. That monstrous tablet… fuckin’ Nintendo. 

    Although…I do love the Zelda games, no matter how similar they all are, they each bring something a little different to the table that keeps it fresh.  Not that I approve of series milking, but for some reason, I can accept it when it comes to the Zelda games. 

  • jamesgomm

     i love spoonys stuff alot of time but as a gamer who likes everything thats nintendo sony and microsoft i think hes missing the big picture with this people buy these games because they enjoy them i like the zelda forumula personally and really like it but thats just me they add a little somthing new to keep it enjoyable each time.

    i do think the wiiu may have problems at first but i dont see it failing as badly as everyone seems to think and i will see if i like it once i can test it and see if it is worth it or not.

    (oh and oot was only ever rereleased twice once in a colectors edition with WW and on the VC on the wii thats it)

  • Daniel Ajaloleru

    I know i’ve said this a lot but, Luigis mansion only has two games with the second still in development, How can it be a rehashed series if it hasn’t even reached trilogy yet?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Grant-Stackhouse/177700748 Grant Stackhouse

    I’m a bit concerned about the WiiU.  Nintendo has put a lot of effort into showing off the controller, which is fine.  However, I want them to boast technical specs for the console itself, such as processor cores, clock speed, RAM amount and GPU specs.  Back in the days leading up to the Gamecube’s launch, Nintendo was very open about the console’s specs, because they were confident that it could stand toe to toe with the competition.  Where is that openness now?  I fear that they are banking too heavily on their new controller carrying the system to glory.

    In regards to Skyward Sword, I can see some similarities to previous Zeldas.  Of course, the Zelda formula has remained fairly unchanged since Link to the Past, and the games have remained fun.  I do, however, think it is time to give Ganon a break.  Was I the only person disappointed by Ganon suddenly showing up in the end of TP?  The Twilight King was pretty menacing, until it was revealed that Ganon was pulling his strings.  Then he suddenly became a joke.  Nintendo needs some creative new Villians, such as Majora or Vaati.  Finally, I hope Nintendo comes up with good reason for Link to be running around with his sword held out in front of himself.  It reminds me of how children run with scissors.

    • Daniel Ajaloleru

      I too was peeved and dissapointed at he surprise gannondorf in twilight princess, though from what I know he wont be in skyward sword he’s being replaced with an all new villain and this makes sense since its apparently the first game in the timeline, though I will be pissed if it turns out that it was gannondorf pulling the strings the entire time again but I doubt that will be the case.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Grant-Stackhouse/177700748 Grant Stackhouse

        I’m a bit curious as to how Nintendo can call Skyward Sword the “first”, considering that Ocarina of Time established the beginnings of the Triforce and Ganon.  Also, it showed the Triforce being split among Zelda, Ganon, and Link, essentially creating the reincarnation cycle that lasted until the events of the Wind Waker.  All other Zelda games can be assumed to fall between those games, save for the DS sequel to Wind Waker.

        Then again, each Zelda game can be easily enjoyed on its own, so nitpicking the chronology is just something to pass the time with – not anything to be too concerned over.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Joey-Corinthos/708760432 Joey Corinthos

          Skyward Sword is the origin of the Master Sword, taking place decades if not centuries before Ocarina of Time. Also, The Minish Cap comes before Ocarina of Time anyway.

          • Daniel Ajaloleru

            I think the zelda team enjoy making prequels

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Grant-Stackhouse/177700748 Grant Stackhouse

    I’m a bit concerned about the WiiU.  Nintendo has put a lot of effort into showing off the controller, which is fine.  However, I want them to boast technical specs for the console itself, such as processor cores, clock speed, RAM amount and GPU specs.  Back in the days leading up to the Gamecube’s launch, Nintendo was very open about the console’s specs, because they were confident that it could stand toe to toe with the competition.  Where is that openness now?  I fear that they are banking too heavily on their new controller carrying the system to glory.

    In regards to Skyward Sword, I can see some similarities to previous Zeldas.  Of course, the Zelda formula has remained fairly unchanged since Link to the Past, and the games have remained fun.  I do, however, think it is time to give Ganon a break.  Was I the only person disappointed by Ganon suddenly showing up in the end of TP?  The Twilight King was pretty menacing, until it was revealed that Ganon was pulling his strings.  Then he suddenly became a joke.  Nintendo needs some creative new Villians, such as Majora or Vaati.  Finally, I hope Nintendo comes up with good reason for Link to be running around with his sword held out in front of himself.  It reminds me of how children run with scissors.

  • Anonymous

    I can understand and see where Spoony’s coming from in regards to Zelda.  However, my take on it is “if it’s not broke why fix it?”.   The games have all been fun to play and when you get down to it that’s all that matter, at least to me.   And I’d rather not see the Zelda series go the way of Sonic the Hedgehog games of the last several years.  He can have his opinions,  I’d just like if he would kindly not bash me for having my own opinions and for knowing what I like/want.

    On a side note, those people in the second video were fucking rude.   Did they not see that people were filming something?  Was there no way to move behind the camera(as in the filming being done in a hallway or corridor or something)?    You guys are way more patient than I would have been.

  • Anonymous

    Spoony, I’m going to have to ask you to stop using the word “rehash”. Not because it annoys me (although it does), but for your own sake. Using it, especially when you are hyped for certain sequels, makes you look VERY bad.
    Rehash is one of the buzziest of buzzwords concerning games. It has huge negative connotations, but very little actual meaning. A series like Madden is really all you can accurately apply the word to.

  • http://www.facebook.com/A.E.Janssen Allison E. Janssen

    I guess I don’t know how to feel about the Wii U yet. It’s hard for me to think of how to use it in a game. I’d like to use it in a way that could correct mutliplayer screen issues. For example–while I enjoy playing Tales RPGs with groups, I often either a. lose visual confirmation of my character (Symphonia), or b. the screen captures too much of the field and doesn’t focus in on what I’m doing(Abyss, Vesperia). It would be nice to have that second screen to observe what my character is doing.

    If a company can come up with a great way to use it, then more power to them. Frankly, I liked the Wii remote for shooting games like House of the Dead: Overkill and Sin and Punishment: Successor of the Skies. Outside of that, I was more likely to use my Gamecube controllers, given the chance.

    Frankly, I’m glad to see any sign of life in the Star Fox franchise, even if it’s just a remake. Star Fox Command would have been a terrible way to end the series. The gameplay was okay for the most part (minus the missle crap), but that storyline. Yikes.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1536912113 Ian Kovich

    It seems that a lot of people have already beaten me to the punch, so I’ll try not to repeat what everyone has already said.

    When someone like Spoony says that each Zelda game is a rehash, I really need more of an explanation as to what that is supposed to mean*. Are we talking about no new puzzles, mechanics, enemies, story, and such? Because each new Zelda game has those (yes, you heard me right: even new stories. My personal favorite is the one where you travel through three days in time to stop the moon from crashing into the planet, followed by the one where you team up with pirates to save your sister). That seems to be perfectly fine with every other sequel out there.

    Or maybe we’re talking about what Spoony said when his site was relatively new, that the only time Zelda wasn’t rehashed was when Zelda II was released; in other words, the only game that wasn’t a rehash was the one that was in a completely different genre.

    Spoony, I’m going to be perfectly blunt: if what you mean is the latter, you should just stop commenting on Nintendo’s games in general. When I watched your Ultima Retrospective, each game looked like they played exactly the same until I think the fifth or sixth game. Also, need I remind you that one of your most watched, most popular video series on the site is the one explaining in great detail how all the changes in Final Fantasy VIII sucked? Or how about the time where you felt compelled to scream in the halls of E3 when they changed Xcom into a first person shooter? Maybe Nintendo isn’t making deliberate, unnecessary changes because, as it stands, there really is no reason to make any changes and they don’t want their rather large install base raging.

    If you don’t like a series, that’s fine, but don’t pretend that you know more than the fans and belittle the games, because the fans have obviously played the games whereas you usually write them off the second they’re announced. Most of what you say about the series reminds me of what I usually read from trolls on GameFAQs (read: the 4chan of gaming websites). If you continue to judge a series without actually playing it, you’re basically acting like Roger Ebert when he wrote off games as not being art despite admitting that he doesn’t, and doesn’t intend to, play games. But at least he might have a reason as to why he can’t.

    *Maybe Spoony did elaborate as to what a rehash is in this video, but I didn’t watch it; I sat through too many of the same rants (irony) to sit through one more, and the comments didn’t convince me that this is a worthy exception. I’ll watch the other videos because they’re clearly things that Spoony is interested in, even if it’s just to rip them apart, but it’s hard to take someone’s opinion seriously when they apparently call Luigi’s Mansion a rehashed series.

    • Anonymous

      I think about it this way: they ain’t broke, so there’s no need to fix them. Plus saying Zelda is the same game every time is just ignorant on Spoony’s part.

      • Anonymous

        fixing something that aint broke is usualy what makes things break

        • http://twitter.com/RocMegamanX RocMegamanX

          Which is why people seem to hate the latest Final Fantasy game or the new 3D Sonic games back in the mid-2000s.

      • Anonymous

        fixing something that aint broke is usualy what makes things break

    • http://twitter.com/nnecron Necro

      I don’t know much about Nintendo games, but isn’t he just saying that those extra stuffs aren’t adding much to the original game?  If those games are not rehashes, why Nintendo is releasing the games with the same titles?  Why Ocarina of Time is coming out now?  I thought it came out almost a decade ago.  If this new story is just a bunch of mini side stories told during the old main story, I don’t think it should be called as a sequel.  Its a remake. 

      If this new Zelda game is going to make the same kind of evolution like Oblivion or DMC3 I got to admit that Spoony is wrong.

      But seriously, has Nintendo been releasing even a single new title since past decade?  All I hear from the company is about Mario and Zelda.  How come they are relying on the same franchises and characters for such a long time, and not even attempt to make a completely original title?  (Tell me if I am wrong about this)

      Also, he didn’t say Luigi’s Mansion is a rehash.  Its just not interested enough for him.   

      • Daniel Ajaloleru

        he didnt explicitly say that luigis mantion was a rehash but he might as well have, he clumped it into the hole yawn talking thing where he listed off series he thought was re hashed and said “another luigis mansion game” or something close to that

  • http://twitter.com/nnecron Necro

    I agree with you Spoony.  Nintendo and
    other major game developers in Japan haven’t been producing new games. 
    Almost all of them are creating remakes after remakes and even if some of them
    have decided to make new franchises, they usually end up being mediocre
    games.  There are even fair amount of crappy games like Mind Jack.  I
    know groundbreaking games are rare to come across, but what I am saying is that
    quality games are becoming even rarer in Japanese gaming industries.

    Japanese economy is slowly dying by its own inflexible system.  Numerous
    issues such as decreasing employment rate and the recent flood didn’t help the
    situation either.  Because the game developers were demoralized by these
    unfortunate events, no one wants to take risks.  This is why companies
    like Nintendo and Squire-Enix are clinging on their previews efforts. 

    As if that wasn’t enough, they have found convenient bait for their commercial
    purposes.  Anime fans may know what I am talking about; the Moe culture
    (or Otaku culture if you will).  A lot of game companies believe that if
    they put some cute anime girls and fan services, their games would at least
    sell.  This kind of trend has begun since the anime known as Melancholy of
    Haruhi Suzumiya started to become popular in Japan.  The anime increased
    the population of anime geeks significantly, thus the companies have decided to
    make a product targeted at these kinds of people.

    I am not bashing Otaku culture by the way.  In fact, I am also part of it
    and supporting the culture.  But I don’t encourage the way they are using it;
    the culture is just a pure marketing tool for them.  Not only it’s
    insulting to these people, but it also prevents games from evolving.  The
    game technology has literary frozen since 2005. 

    This is very sad.  Japan used to be the country of gaming technology
    and master of game designs.  Now they
    only care about money, and produces bellow average softwares.

    I am almost fed up with it, and I still got western games to play. 
    Western game companies are still well and alive, and I am a big fan of their
    games too.  So there are no reasons for
    me to care about the Japanese games.  But
    I’m still interested in how they are going to resolve this situation, and what
    kind of path the developers are going to take.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jesse-Melat/1331583316 Jesse Melat

    Nintendo is teetering dangerously at the edge of becoming the next Sega.   They’re doing it with dumbass peripherals rather than add-on tumors to their actual hardware, but the long delayed capitalist “There can be only Two” rule will kill one of three sometime, and soon.

    Sad that Nintendo seems to be the one most eager to be the one that crashes and burns.  Oh well; they had a good run, but even Atari had to end sometime.

    • http://twitter.com/8bitTrotz Marco Trozzo

      yes, we haven’t heard the “nintendo is doomed” schtick before.
      Jesse, the reason why Nintendo has survived for decades, and will continue to do so is because they’re NEVER at the mercy of third parties.

      it’s unreal how many gamers kneejerk into a complete negative pessimistic shell in the face of new technology when all the while history keeps repeating itself over and over again.

      Harsh, but if sony were to lose the metal gears and the final fantasies of the world, sackboy is no pokemon. Proprietary franchises and net bottom line – learn something.

      cheers.

      • Anonymous

        true, nintendo survive by themselves the other 2 absolutely need the third party

      • Anonymous

        true, nintendo survive by themselves the other 2 absolutely need the third party

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Grant-Stackhouse/177700748 Grant Stackhouse

      If Nintendo goes down, it won’t be like Sega did.  In its final years, Sega was bleeding money and yanking itself in too many conflicting directions.  While one hand wanted to push the Saturn further, the other hand was pulling to get the Dreamcast released as quickly as possible.

      Nintendo, on the contrary, remains profitable, and the company has better internal organization.  They clearly operate with a plan.  Their weaknesses include heavy reliance on the ever-fickle casual gaming crowd and systems that tend to be behind the times, limiting their support for multi-platform games.  They seem to be trying to remedy that with their new WiiU.

      In my opinion, Nintendo needs to get that WiiU ready for launch as soon as they can complete a few good launch titles.  With the next Xbox and Playstation entering the planning phases, Nintendo only has a few years to enjoy the WiiU’s assumed technical equality with the competition.  Multiplatform releases are valuable assets that can help inflate a console’s library.  They also give developers precious experience with the console.

      Nintendo also seems to be hedging their bets lately by outsourcing some of their own IPs to other developers (Ocarina 3D and Metroid: Other M, for example).  Thus I suspect that if they go the way of Sega, it won’t be soon, and it won’t start with the sudden closure of their console division.  They’ll ease into it over a long time, outsourcing all but their most profitable IPs.  Even then, their company pride is too strong to allow their core franchises on a competitor’s system, so long as they continue to make systems of their own.

  • http://www.facebook.com/jeanine.sam Jeanine Angelique Sam

    Wow, I read through all of these comments. I really have no life, ha ha.

    Seriously though, I’m a Nintendo fan and, although I may not agree with what Spoony said, I respect his opinion. There’s no reason for some of the people here (though not the majority from what I’ve read) to be so upset about what he said. If it annoys you to the point of seeing red, I think you have some problems.

    Personally, I’ll always go back to Nintendo. I finally bit the bullet and bought a PS3 and to be honest, it’s collecting dust. Granted, I’ve only SSF4, Rachet and Clank and Singstar but I don’t really see that many games that get me excited nowadays for the ps3 save for WWE Allstars.

    I guess it just has to do with me getting older, but I’m really getting tired of a lot of games that are out. I’m not into FPS so that’s what, 1/2 the market gone for me maybe? Oh well. I’ll go back to Rock Band 3. Call me when Star Fox 64 comes out again.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FDFVK2NBGZFRPNA2QQYSANNO5I Deran

    Thank you Spoony for speaking that which no one else has about the Zelda franchise.
    Also, did you know that Miyamoto declared Skyward Sword to be the last console Zelda unless it actually performs better in sales than the last few games? God knows what this could also mean for the Metroid series considering the massive failure that was Other M. 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FDFVK2NBGZFRPNA2QQYSANNO5I Deran

    Thank you Spoony for speaking that which no one else has about the Zelda franchise.
    Also, did you know that Miyamoto declared Skyward Sword to be the last console Zelda unless it actually performs better in sales than the last few games? God knows what this could also mean for the Metroid series considering the massive failure that was Other M. 

  • http://twitter.com/Andrezra Andre Rache

    I respectfully disagree. I would LOVE to see new IPs from nintendo, specially covering new genres , but i just can’t complain with what they are offering me right now, and i’m not even a huge Zelda fan.

  • http://www.invasiontherapy.com The Gonk

    Well I think the comment speaks for itself really, I didn’t enjoy any of the Zelda games on the handhelds and I wasn’t as much of a fan of the handheld games or Majora’s Mask as other people seem to be. And no, I really don’t speak as if I know anything about what Skyward Sword is going to be like.

  • Anonymous

    I could apply Spoony’s formula to most “Next Gen” Franchises. Gears of Wars are exactly the same, Mass Effect, if anything, seems to be going backwards and Call of Duty has also gone backwards offering less and less with each guise. I love Zelda, I haven’t played them all, but I know that Ocarina of Time and Twilight Princess are very different games. I’m also surprised that Spoony brings up “Next Gen”, when as a PC gamer the big games getting praised are an 8-bit Java script game (Minecraft) and a 2D platformer (Terraria). Hardly “Next Gen”, but heaps better than Halo, Call of Duty or one of the other big franchises. So I don’t need shiny graphics or innovation for the sake of innovation, I still play the X-Com isometric games and Transport Tycoon – the former Spoony himself QQ’d because it was going first person.

    I can understand the hate on Nintendo for no “New IP’s”, but they do well with what they have and find something for most people. I wish they did more too, but it’s hardly worth getting my pressure up crying about it. Not when I’m a PC Gamer and don’t really care about the 20 versions of Mario until that one singular reason to get a game comes out. (Still waiting since Mario Galaxy).

  • http://www.facebook.com/DonGrif Mikael Fröding

    I totaly agree with Spoony on this one! Super Mario Bros was released back in 1985. That’s 26 years ago and we still get the same Mario games year after year! Some of you Nintendo fanboys are defending saying that many games on PC and Xbox 360 are sequals too, and sure there are sequals but they don’t go back to 1985! Battlefield 1942 was released in 2002 and Call of Duty in 2003. That is not even 10 years ago. According to Wikipedia Mario has appeared in over 200 games! 200 games in 26 years!!! Why do you still love that little italian plumber and all his friends? I really don’t get it! And for the record: I am 30 years old and I played Mario games on the NES and SNES. Then I got bored with Mario. And Zelda. And all Nintendo games…

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_SGITXYORWVJVHW5RWUXV5OSZXA jonathan vikan

      Super Mario Galaxy, New Super Mario Bros, Paper Mario, totally the exact same game!

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Björn-Apel/100002414853539 Björn Apel

      If you never played a game since the SNES day, then stop talking about stuff you have no clue about. Yes, Mario appeared in a lot of games, but its not the same game or even genre all the time. You have RPGs, Party-Games, Sports, 3D-Adventures, Puzzles, etc. Miyamoto created Mario as a standard character, like Mickey Mouse, which he can use for all his games. People seen to always see the character and ignore the actual gameplay. Not every game has to be about stories and characters, sometimes a game is about the game.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Björn-Apel/100002414853539 Björn Apel

    Please Spoony never talking about Nintendo again! Every time you do it, you just appear as a big idiot, who has no idea what he is talking about. Saying that Nintendo only do sequels is a big lie and on the other hand praise different sequels is just having double standards. I’m sure you probably never played a Nintendo Game in years, thinking they all the same. If people would be sick of this games, they dont would buy them, ask Nintendo all the time to do sequels, go crazy about a new sequel and hatting them, if they release no new one. By the way “playing games with a controller, like it meant to be.” sounds like a sentence from an old men, who don’t want thinks to change.

    • Anonymous

      It’s like the review he did on Metroid because he watched Sean play it and he got bored so apparently the game was boring. That’s not a review…that’s called sitting down watching someone else play a game and not being interested.

      Just last week I saw a man driving a Lamborghini down the highway and I watched him yawn. So therefore Lamborghini too must be a boring car.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Nathan-Ellis/100002419726549 Nathan Ellis

    best spoony rant since kingdom of the crystal skull.

  • http://demonskunk.tumblr.com Demonskunk

    Hey, spoony, what do you think about the fact that the Wii U will only support one of those newfangled controllerbaubles per console?

  • Anonymous

    Nintendo has actually done several new things over the last ten years. They created the IP pikmin which featured gameplay quite unlike anything else out on the market at the time.They also innovated the way we play with their DS and Wii systems. With the DS you used a touch screen while you played your games rather than simply press buttons, and a hefty amount of games made good use of that. With the Wii they used a controller that you moved around, rather than a conventional button/analog design, to control your games.

    You may dislike or find fault with these innovations, but they are innovations none the less which is in contradiction with your statement about fans needing to demand innovation form nintendo. Changing the way you play is quite a big innovation and risk, even when you have nostalgic/classic franchises to rely on, as it can backfire(Remember the Virtual Boy?)

    It’s easy to understand why nintendo went down this road of “changing the way you play” too. After the SNES and N64 Nintendo had lost alot of its third-party powerhouses, such as Rare and Square Enix. They also lost many franchises that were once exclusive or atleast on their systems, like Metal Gear, Final Fantasy, and Street Fighter. Many new IPs also appeared exclusively on other systems when in the past they would have appeared on the Nintendo platform. In the final years of the Gamecube’s run it was clear they could not compete with Sony and Microsoft by playing the same game as they were.  So instead of doing what they did during the gamecube era, where all 3 companies had systems where the only true differences were in controller and game lineups, they decided to take the path less traveled. Nintendo decided to look at the way we play games and work on a way to change it or innovate with it.

    In the years since Nintendo released both the DS and the Wii, other companies have sought to try their hand at it as well. Every phone and even the new PSP uses a touch screen for playing its games, a trend that started with the DS.  Microsoft and Sony also released their own versions of Motion Control, where Microsoft tried going in a different direction than Nintendo by using your whole body and Sony simply ripped Nintendo’s exact idea off. However both the Kinect and Move aren’t that popular or great.

    Also in the years since sales have shown whether the new direction nintendo has take was right or not. The DS has outsold the PSP quite handily, and the Wii spent several years outselling both the PS3 and Xbox 360. So financially Nintendo has made the right choice, atleast for now.

    Nintendo has clearly innovated the way you play, but it has also expanded who plays games. Before the 21st century began, and the current consoles came out, gaming was quite a niche market. Gaming was still a rather secluded clique that generally appealed only to younger males, particularly those under 30-40. Women and anyone over the age of 40 were largely ignored. However that has changed infinitely in the past 10 years. Women now make up a huge portion of the gaming population, in fact now more women  of all ages play games than men between the ages of 18-25. This is due to Nintendo appealing to those previously ignored markets with their more “casual” games. Having mass appeal, and being able to connect to audiences previously ignored or failed with, is almost more important than gameplay innovations as it expands and progresses video games as an artistic medium. Which is far and ahead more impressive than any gameplay innovation any company can concoct.

    Now you can claim to disagree with Nintendo’s direction, claim that motion control is worse compared to regular analog/button control, and even claim that motion control games aren’t fun or don’t work. They are for the most part subjective subjects and quite open for debate. However you cannot claim that Nintendo lacks innovation if you wish to retain any honesty or credibility as both a person and a reviewer. Changing how you play is an innovation, whether you like this particular innovation or not. I don’t particularly like motion controls either, but that doesn’t stop them from being innovative or having a huge impact on the industry.

    Now on to a different part of your video I found disturbing.

    Your calling of the Mario and Zelda series stagnant puzzled me, especially when you alluded to their stagnant quality having caused them to become a bore yet seemed to get your rocks off just saying the titles of games like Elder Scrolls 5: Skyrim and Deus Ex Human Revolution. If we were to take the Elder Scrolls series and look at it, you’d see as much change from game to game as you would in Legend of Zelda. I can’t personally think of many things I couldn’t do in daggerfall that I can in Oblivion, I much prefer Oblivion and find it a more polished and appealing experience to myself overall but I don’t truly detect anything that really changes it from Daggerfall other than 14 years in technology. Elder Scrolls is still a series .where I do what I want, be what I want game. Deus Ex 3 also seems to lack anything really new/innovative from the original game than technology as well. Structurally Deus Ex hasn’t changed since the first game, and Elder Scrolls hasn’t since Daggerfall.  Arkham City also appears like it will just be Arkham Asylum, but in a more open environment. Quite boring and yawn inducing for someone seeking true innovation.

    I personally am unable to see anything that truly stands out in making Nintendo’s franchises anymore stagnant than Deus Ex, Elder Scrolls or Batman. Nintendo’s franchises have double or triple, and certain series quadruple, the amount of entries though, which can oversaturate one to that franchise. One could claim that these other series take more time in making new entries for their series so as to help truly innovate and change them from the previous, but none of these 3 series have truly evolved and become something that different from the previous title. Deus Ex and Elder Scrolls really only utilize the current technology to differentiate it from previous titles in the series. Also if we look at Bioware games, which you seemed to drool over Mass Effect 3, they aren’t so different from one another.  I mean was Mass Effect 2 such a change over Mass Effect 1? Is it any larger a change than Ocarina of time to Windwaker, or Windwaker to Twilight Princess?

    Now claiming that series and games you enjoy are just as stagnant as Nintendo games doesn’t really defeat your argument that “Nintendo games are stagnant”, however it does defeat your ability to claim the fact that they haven’t changed/are stagnant/don’t innovate as a way to write them off as boring or uninteresting as you showed interest in several series that did the exact same. It also eliminates your ability to boast that Mass Effect 3/Deus Ex 3/ Skyrim are non-stagnant/game-changers for their respective series or to use them as models for what Nintendo “should do”. Which in essence does defeat your argument of “Nintendo games are stagnant” because you said it as if those other games weren’t. However they’re just as stagnant.

    I enjoy watching your videos, and find you to be a kind and rational person. I also drooled just as much as you over Mass Effect 3/Deus Ex 3/ Elder Scrolls 5/Arkham City when I saw them. However I don’t see anything they’re doing to be anymore innovative or series changing than what Nintendo is doing with Zelda or any of its other IPs. I just happen to enjoy games like Skyrim and Deus Ex more than most nintendo franchises now, but that doesn’t mean that they are more innovative or that I see them as such. They’re simply more appealing to me.

    I apologize for the rant, and any grammatical errors contained with in it, and hope I wasn’t offensive or rude in it. It was not my point to do either.  I hope you make a video in the near future bashing Halo, because based on your arguments I’ve read on twitter it seems like I would be quite pushed to do so.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Dakota-Lancaster/1626454829 Dakota Lancaster

      tl;dr

      • Anonymous

         I apologize sir, I forgot how many people nowadays are incapable of handling anything longer than a few hundred characters allow me to summarize it to better suit your reading capabilities.

        1. Spoony’s argument of Nintendo not being innovative is invalid because whether he likes it or not Motion Controls are an innovation, and a huge risk for them to base an entire console around. Their innovation in motion controls and its success/popularity caused Microsoft and Sony to attempt their own lackluster attempts at stealing Nintendo’s thunder.  The DS’s touch screen was also an innovation that changed the way you play a game by making you use buttons and a touch screen to control your games. If phones and the new PSP VITA are any indication of the impact the DS has had on portable gaming devices I’d say Nintendo made the correct choice. I also mentioned how Nintendo reaching out and broadening the gaming audiences to sections of the population previously ignored(like women and older citizens) is an innovation and big step for the industry as making video games more appealing to the general masses allows the Video Game Industry to advance as an artistic medium.

        2. Spoony’s statement that he doesn’t like Nintendo games for being stagnant and therefore boring, and as a result is more interested in games like Skyrim/Batman/Deus Ex3/Mass Effect 3, is faulty. The games he’s interested in are just as stagnant as nintendo and therefore should be boring as well.

  • adam proulx

    The mechanics of zelda don’t need to be fucked with, all that matters is that there is new content every game and there is. Even if they were alll literally OoT it’s the best game ever made so it’s understandable why people would care about constant rereleases

    • Joe_the_robot moe_the_robot

      um … yes their might be new content , but all that new content is different levels but is quite the same I still like zelda just not as much, but really you got to agree with him on the “no new orginal ideas thing” just pikmin well that’s nice but common guys

      • Anonymous

        no new original Ideas eh?, so what you are saying is the new kid Icarus uprising is exactly the same as as the original kid Icarus on the nes, and that wii sports, wii play and wii music is not new, or the whole AR card thing the hardware of the Wii U and and of course every Nintendo console had street pass functions and of course luigis mansion is also completely unoriginal. /sarcasm the statement that Nintendo doesn’t try anything new is at best subjective and at worst completely false.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michael-Blayney/683346875 Michael Blayney

    Zelda hasn’t been good since A Link to the Past, and Nintendo hasn’t put out a relevant console since the SNES. Motion control is to gaming what 3-D is to movies: a pointless gimmick that detracts from the experience. Fucking Avatar’s 3-D effects didn’t make me feel any more into Dances with Smurfs, and the fucking Wii is a Nintendo 64 with worse controls. I feel sorry for the sad bastards who keep throwing money at that bullshit.

    • Anonymous

      Yeah because the N64 was totally not relevant with games like Goldeneye, Banjo Kazooie, JetForce Gemini, Conkers Bad Fur Day, Mario kart 64, Mario 64, Super Smash Bros., Both Zeldas and Perfect Dark 64.

      I also forgot how much Zelda sucked since A Link to the Past. I must have somehow fooled myself into enjoying Ocarina of time, Majora’s Mask, Windwaker and Twilight Princess.

      *sarcasm end*

      Exactly what is your definition of good? I mean what standard do you have that excludes the Zelda titles released after LttP? As much as Spoony dislikes the Zelda series for its stagnancy he  still considers them very good games.

      As much as I dislike motion controls, comparing it to 3D seems to be a poor analogy. For one actually moving your controller around to move your character is quite involving. Bowling and Tennis games had no ability to hold my interest until Wii Sports. If Skyward Sword can manage to pull off the sword controls they’re aiming for then that too will definitely change my feeling for the game. No longer can I simply sit by on the couch and press a button or aimlessly wave my controller, I will actually have to engage myself into the fight and think about how to best swing my sword to defeat the enemy.

      And if calling the Wii a N64 is supposed to be an insult you might as well call the Wii a Sega Dreamcast or even a Super Nintendo. Also what exactly makes a console relevant? The number of games with a B or A rating? The number of games/consoles sold? The impact it has on the industry as a whole? Because if it is based on games with a B or A rating then I’d say the Wii does somewhat slack behind the PS3 and 360 in this category though, it has more than enough titles that have that rating that keep it from being disqualified based on that definition of relevancy. If it is based on sales then I’d say the Wii is the most relevant console on the market. If it’s based on impact all I’d have to do is point towards Kinect and the Playstation Move to prove my point. So what standard do you use to qualify something as relevant or irrelevant?

      Please enlighten me so I may not remain ignorant

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michael-Blayney/683346875 Michael Blayney

         That’s an awful lot of text to say “I disagree with your assessment.”

        • Anonymous

          I like to elaborate on why I disagree. I do apologize for any grammatical errors contained within my comment.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michael-Blayney/683346875 Michael Blayney

            1) I *hated* Ocarina of Time. I found it boring. I freely admit that I am in the minority on this one.

            2) I *hate* motion control, full stop. It’s a gimmick with a reach that exceeds its grasp; I have yet to play a game that hasn’t felt mushy and, for lack of a better term, loose. I will always prefer the precision of a game pad to the waggling of a nunchuk. Personal taste, sure, but the Wii holds zero appeal for me. It’s a shame, ’cause I think a property like No More Heroes would actually be worth playing on a different console with traditional controls.

            3) I have been disappointed with the past couple generations of Nintendo’s home consoles. The N64 was a joke, and the Gamecube was arguably even worse. Between the two systems I think there were 4 games I enjoyed enough to actually purchase. In fact, I consider the Gamecube to be the single worst buying decision I’ve ever made, and I own the fucking Resident Evil movie.

            So, well, more power to you for liking gimmicky trash, but you’re not going to convince me to give the big N another chance. Fuck ‘em.

          • Anonymous

            1. All entitled to our own opinion, different tastes and such.

            2.Wii Sports(Tennis/Bowling) have made the best use of the mote and are the only games I prefer the motion controls to traditional ones. However Twilight Princess worked fine with either scheme. I personally dislike Motion Controls and feel they ruined Donkey Kong Country Returns, a new entry to one of my favorite franchises. However I really don’t seem them as a gimmick. In the developing stages and in need of serious work to make ‘em really work? Sure. I mean a poorly executed innovation at the moment, but by no stretch of the imagination a gimmick.

            3.The Nintendo 64 wasn’t a joke at all. With games like Conker, Banjo Kazooie, Perfect Dark, Battletanx:Global Assault, Mario Kart, Mario 64, Zelda 64, Jetforce Gemini, Super Smash Bros., Rogue Squadron, Space Station:Silicon Valley, San Francisco Rush 2049 Ogre Battle 64,Tony Hawk Pro Skater and Harvest Moon 64. Add to that the fact most games on both the PSX and N64 were better on the N64. I’m not sure how you can call it a joke.

            As far as the Gamecube goes it mainly lacked games in its final 2-2 1/2 years. However it still had Viewtiful Joe, WindWaker, Smash Bros Melee, Gotcha Force, Pikmin, Resident Evil 4, Super Mario Sunshine, Rogue Squadron 2,  RE 1 HD, Metroid Prime, Tales of Symphonia, Animal Crossing, Eternal Darkness, battalion wars, Baten Kaitos and Paper Mario. It also had crossplatform gems like Metal Arms Glitch, Time Splitters 2-3, Beyond Good and Evil, Prince of persia and Soul Calibur 2. Add also ports/remakes like MGS:Twin Snakes and Skies of Arcadia. So I’m wondering how this can be considered such a waste of money to you. Like what games did you like during the N64-GC era on consoles and what consoles?

            4. Back-handed “To each their own” comment? Oh aren’t you precious

            5. I even said in my post I didn’t like Motion Controls, I just defended their relevancy/impact/success,  which no matter your opinion I factually proved your statement was wrong. There’s no such thing as convincing someone of facts, only educating them about them.

            6.  It’s fun to call what I like “Gimmicky” or “Trash” without stating what you like. Though I imagine you have a such little variety/selection in what you actually like that I could simply insult your narrow-taste rather than the games.

            7.  No seriously I’d like to know what games you DO like

  • Anonymous

    lol “Electronic Arts Expo” they wish :P

    And oh how I lol at everyone saying they showed of ninja gaiden and such, they didn’t show that off. That was PS3 and 360 versions being showed off. Good job Nintendo!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CZPJPXHUPPMY3N53P5RSLXYKUU mikec

    why don’t you tell us what you really think about Nintendo. hahaha. love the rant. i think Skyward just looks like a bad Zelda.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Dakota-Lancaster/1626454829 Dakota Lancaster

      Oh boy where to begin…

  • http://www.facebook.com/A.E.Janssen Allison E. Janssen

    Sorry to post again, but I can’t help but think how amusing it would be if Spoony did analyze “Ocarina of Time” as vehemently as the Final Fantasy games. Don’t get me wrong–I like Ocarina of Time. It would be an amusing exercise.

    Hell, I’d record footage for that, even if I am a clumsy oaf at the game.

  • http://www.facebook.com/A.E.Janssen Allison E. Janssen

    Sorry to post again, but I can’t help but think how amusing it would be if Spoony did analyze “Ocarina of Time” as vehemently as the Final Fantasy games. Don’t get me wrong–I like Ocarina of Time. It would be an amusing exercise.

    Hell, I’d record footage for that, even if I am a clumsy oaf at the game.

  • http://www.facebook.com/ballsblazin Jonas Andersen

    Why change something that already works? 

    If they change around the mechanics regarding the classic zelda gameplay = Millions of zelda fans will cry.

    If they keep the same formular = Less people will cry about it.

    And I agree about the potential in the WII U. A game like okami would fit perfect on this system.

    As silly as this might sound, but with two screens you can really implant a lot of new and interesting gameplay elements.

  • Anonymous

    I agree with Spoony’s points.
    These games are fine for a new generation of kids.

    But as an adult, I just don’t feel excited anymore for another
    Paper Mario, Star Fox, Zelda Sequel. I just kinda grew out of liking Nintendo.
    (I’ll just stick to the classic NES, SNES games)

    as for the Wii U, it looks like a glorified Ipad….

    • Anonymous

      technology wise yeah but it wont be used like an ipad.

  • Anonymous

    Spoony, may I offer some constructive criticism? I mean I guess it’s not really all that different from what other people here are saying, but regardless it’s something that’s always bugged me about your videos. I have absolutely no problems regarding your opinions on just about anything, even if I do disagree with a lot of them. But talking down to your audience really has an impact on how much we enjoy your videos. I would have no problems if you just outline your arguments and present it as such, but throwing insults at people and calling them childish just for having a different opinion just makes you come off as a snobby elitist, and that just makes it tempting for us to stop watching. It leaves us the same feeling we get after reading Youtube comments for half an hour.

    The thing is, you are one of the funniest internet reviewers I’ve ever seen. I highly enjoy your reviews and cross overs, and when I listen to things like the numerous Kick-Assia commentaries put together by your colleauges, I get the impression that you’re a really fun guy to be around. But this is one of the main reasons I don’t really watch your v-logs and rarely come to this website. I’m perfectly able to listen to different opinions and criticism about things I like, but a video just isn’t enjoyable when you’re being insulted just for like something, and you do it rather often. Heck, you rarely even insult a fanbase I belong in, so even though it doesn’t personally effect me it still puts a bit of an ugly spin on some of your videos. (FFVIII is a good example)

    And as a Zelda fan, I could go on and on about how wrong I think you are for saying they’re all Ocarina rehashed over and over again. I’m not really here to bitch about that though, and I think a lot of people here have already put it perfectly. But I’ll compare to walking into an ice cream shop and saying that of the flavors taste exactly the same just because it’s all the same brand. They may all use the same basic ingredients, but that doesn’t make them all the exact same flavor of ice cream.

  • Anonymous

    My god, do you listen to yourself? I’ve been browsing through these comments and each and every one of your posts is a perfect example of why no one takes gamers seriously. Yes, I’ll admit some of these people are coming off as fanboys, but I’m also seeing a lot of smart, well constructed arguments defending Nintendo/Zelda as well. The fact that you’re immature, trollish comments are getting as many likes as they are is leaving an incredibly bad taste in my mouth.

    Edit: I don’t know how this comment is showing up for other people, but this was in response to an earlier comment. For me it’s showing up like a seperate, brand new post.

  • Anonymous

    Im sorry,  im a fan of the site and the reviews.  im usually just a site lurker but i have to comment on this.  I will admit i was always a nintendo gamer,  from NES to Gamecube.  the Wii just isn’t my thing.  i have one, and i pretty much use it when friends come over to play Wii sports.   I have played Smash Bros, Twilight Princess and Punch Out as well.  but its mostly for when company that isn’t hardcore into games like me comes over.  

    Now,  my problem is that you have a full video of you shitting on Nintendo about releasing sequels and not trying anything new.  Then out the other side of your mouth you are going on about how you can’t wait for Skyrim (elder scrolls 5!) Deus EX Machina (3rd game of series) and Mass Effect 3. Yes those are the 3 games im most excited about,  but a double standard nonetheless.  

    I know you said to JewWario that you are more of a cynical critic and yes some of your negative rants have proved to be your better videos.  but the difference between this and your FF8 videos or other games you shit on.  is that those were funny videos.  thought out and written to be funny.  this just sounded like a jaded gamer ranting about something he doesn’t like. 

  • Anonymous

    Im sorry,  im a fan of the site and the reviews.  im usually just a site lurker but i have to comment on this.  I will admit i was always a nintendo gamer,  from NES to Gamecube.  the Wii just isn’t my thing.  i have one, and i pretty much use it when friends come over to play Wii sports.   I have played Smash Bros, Twilight Princess and Punch Out as well.  but its mostly for when company that isn’t hardcore into games like me comes over.  

    Now,  my problem is that you have a full video of you shitting on Nintendo about releasing sequels and not trying anything new.  Then out the other side of your mouth you are going on about how you can’t wait for Skyrim (elder scrolls 5!) Deus EX Machina (3rd game of series) and Mass Effect 3. Yes those are the 3 games im most excited about,  but a double standard nonetheless.  

    I know you said to JewWario that you are more of a cynical critic and yes some of your negative rants have proved to be your better videos.  but the difference between this and your FF8 videos or other games you shit on.  is that those were funny videos.  thought out and written to be funny.  this just sounded like a jaded gamer ranting about something he doesn’t like. 

    • Anonymous

      well said.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Dakota-Lancaster/1626454829 Dakota Lancaster

    Spoony. My words coming out of your mouth. I was just saying this to my friend, while you have to admit every other console and company does rehashes these days, no ones been doing them as long as Nintendo. The same characters, the same games, the same stories… Sure they refined it and fixed them… but it’s so hard to care. I already played it, lets move on. That’s why I sold my wii, I hated only have a few worth while games to play a year, and even if they were okay they were just the same games over and over again. I don’t even miss it.

    • Daniel Ajaloleru

      Same characters? well yeah cant argue with that, but that’s what their fanbase and target audience wants, they are aiming to please them not you

      well actually I can argue to a point, sure there are rarely any new main characters, they are always adding new characters to their existing franchises.

      Same games? HA! that’s funny
      Same stories? HA! oh you make me laugh, unless you are talking only about the main mario platformers and the pokemon games(excluding black and white) in which case disagreeing to that is equal to lieing but otherwise HA! you would have to be completely ignorant to think every zelda, Kirby, paper Mario starfox pikmin etc follow the same story.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Dakota-Lancaster/1626454829 Dakota Lancaster

        Yes the same game, these are the same games we were getting on the gamecube just with a more awkward controller. I loved these characters growing up, playing my dads old snes and my very first console, the n64. Somewhere around the middle of the gamecube I realized these mario games and kirby was just the same game with different gimmicks. I looked at the xbox and ps2 and saw all of these amazing advancements and I just became so bored with the games I was playing with nintendo. Okay, the stories have been kind of different, that was ignorant of me i’ll give you that, but you know you’re getting the same games over and over again. And if that’s what you want than hey, have fun. Just don’t say it’s new and innovative and the greatest games in the world. I’m not just a microsoft fanboy either, I have plenty of problems with them and their tendency to just do the same game to please the fanboys (two Halo games at E3? I thought we were done with the main series for a while…) I prefer more new and interesting games, like the ones Spoony’s looking forward to. Bioshock, Dues Ex, Skyrim, Fable Journeys (just kidding on that last one.) 

        • Anonymous

          “these are the same games” Back that up! Give your reasoning! your words mean nothing if you dont back it up
          in fact I can refute that claim right now

          The games in Nintendo franchises differ between iterations and here is my reasoning for this.
           The Mario (main) series: adds new mechanics in the form of power ups each iterations and since the jump to 3D each new game(excluding galaxy 2 that one is pretty much a level pack plus yoshi) had a big aditionMario 64:Being in 3DMario sunshine: adding fludd gave a new mechanic not seen in any other game( to my knowledge) with it being used to clear away the grime creating new paths being used has a hovering device I water powerd rocket pack etc)Mario galaxy discarded fludd in favor of a planet hopping galaxy mechanic which opened the way for new and interesting platforming

          The legend of zelda:zelda 2 completely changed the entire game to the point where you could slap on a different name and have a new IPa link to the past:… well I’l give you that it was a highly polished highly refined version of the original but by then it was only the third game with only 2 having similar core game play.
          Ocarina of time: well the jump to 3D of coursewind waker: added some special moves and the sailing element which not only added a sense of immersion(at least for me and some other people I know) and exploration, it was the first zelda game where most of the game world is optional. this may not seem like much but in my eyes the sailing mechanic was a big addition

          Twilight Princess: you can turn into a bloody wolf. along with different items which all bring their own mechanics with them like the ball and chain and rod of dominion though I will admit twilight princess probably has the least change off all the zelda games if you are playing the gamecube version
          and the fact that skyward sword uses motion plus should speak for itself
          Starfox:well I cant say much I haven’t played many of them, but I can say adventures was a completely different game from the others and that assault is a sortof hybrid between the main series and assault 

          F-zero: again I haven’t played many of these Ive only played 2 but I would not say F-zero X is the same as F-zero GX.

          Kirby: Kirby’s dreamland, the first game had inhaling.
          Kirby’s Dreamland 2 the second  game added copy abilities.
          Kirby’s dreamland 3 had the animal friends thing where the power you had would have different effects depending on the animal friend you have with you which also added some puzzle solving if you wanted to get 100% completion in the game
          Kirby Super star/Ultra has the multi game thing and helper enemies and multiplayer and a lot of power ups.

          Pokemon: you got me there, the only real changes besides the amount of mons are really subtle but become big things if you play the game compettitivly, which I do not, but the amount of strategy that can go into competitive matches has skyrocketed since the first game

          I could stop there proving my point but no now heading into spinnoff territory

          Mario kart: Mario cart 64 made the jump to 3d
          Double dash is self explanatory to what that added
          DS added onlineand wii improved upon the online and had motorcycle which are my favorite addition
          3D adds cart customisation hand gliding and under water racing and there could be more.

          Mario and Luigi RPGs: never played the first one but I played the other 2, Partners in time adds the baby Mario and Luigi mechanic and time travel both of which opens up more opportunities for puzzles and the like and bowsers insaide story had over world play as both the brothers and and bowser, and side scrolling exploration of bowsers insides as the brothers mario which again opend up more puzzles and a great mechanic for some boss fights.

          paper mario:
          well I never got far in the first 2 but the fact that super star is a platform game with RPG elements where you switch between a 2D and 3D perspective speaks for itself.

          Kirby’s epic yarn, less focus on power more focus on collecting stuff, cant die(though to the more skilled kirby players that probably isnt a change)
          Kirby canvas curse(I love alliteration) well kirby is a ball… mor so than usual and you have to guide him through the hazardous levels.

          I’m going to stop there because I think I made my point loooong and I didnt even list every main game or spinnoff ago and if not, you and I just have different standards of “innovation” and what makes a sequel different instead of the same game.

          and about your remark about the kirby games being the same but with sifferent gimmicks around the gamecube era. The Kirby series didnt get a game on the Game cube apart from the spinoff air rideIf you were talking about the Kirby games being the same games on the hand helds during that time I really dont see it for me the new additions are allways very fun and refreshing.and when did I say they were new and innovative and the greatest games in the world!? not only did I not say that that is also a subjective statement I could easily say that they are and you or anyone else could disagree and you say they are not, for the most part I disagree, i could say that kirby super star ultra is the greatest game ever but its not and can never be because its subjective. 

          and I personally have no problems with microsoft announcing 2 halo games at e3 because it pleases alot of their fans but I’m not a halo fan or microsoft fan myself my xbox has bin caked with dust.and I am looking forward to the new bioshock, ive never played the other 2 though they dont interest me but infinite does, deus ex skyrim doesnt interest me at all none of the elder scrolls games do just not my thing but I certainly hope you enjoy those games when they come out, and as for Fable the journey I so totally hyped! I cant wait to… um… shoot spells on a slow on rails shooter? yay?( yeah i’m about as interested in the journey as you are)

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Dakota-Lancaster/1626454829 Dakota Lancaster

            Those differences you’re listing for each game is just a few new features! A few of those games did have interesting and new mechanics, but for most of those games nothing earth shattering, just the same games with a few things added on. And you’re right, no need to list the spin offs. I can appreciate your passion and the points you bring up which did question what I had said and sir may I say as internet disagreements go on, this is one of the more intelligent and tough ones I have had, but with every generation of games and sequels, my statements just become more and more true. Sure, nintendo has a style of its own unlike any of other consoles who mostly release bland shooters over and over again, but at least they have some of the most interesting stories in gaming in some of their games. You mentioned your interest in Bioshock, I highly suggest you play the original. This was a game that I played when I was a teen that honestly made me realize how amazing games could be. It was suspenseful, violent, interesting, but even touching. These features you’re talking about make the games different, but not for years has nintendo’s games made me feel this way about a game, and be a completely new and mind blowing experience. Mario Galaxy is a great game sure, its art style is great, its a cute game, but it just won’t have the same affect on me as much as a game with truly innovative experience, as making your own decisions, playing your own way. These are the innovations I am talking about. A true emotional connection, not to say is impossible with zelda and mario, especially zelda who has had some epic quests over the years, but it’s just the same experience almost.

          • Anonymous

            It seems to me that I was right and our standards for what makes a game new are very different. The differences I listed are changes enough for me to consider the next game in a series new. but you want more than that and that’s fine by me but. But tell me this what Gameplay changes do you think could be made to a Nintendo franchise without changing it to the point where you might as well make it its own new IP or changing what the series has been about?

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Dakota-Lancaster/1626454829 Dakota Lancaster

            It seems they are very different. This is where I have to say I don’t know. And finding that new innovation in gameplay and story telling, that’s nintendo’s job. And if Nintendo wants to just stick with the formula they have and works with there fans and keep and tweeks and some new features to games, than that’s pretty fine and I’m glad people are having fun. It just bugs me how they keep saying how strikingly new and revolutionary nintendo’s wii and games are having on the game industry. There was a time when they did, but anymore that’s not how it is.

          • Anonymous

            Thats the thing with long running franchises, there is only so much you can change before it becomes something different, for better and for worse, I could think of a thousand things I would like the legend of Zelda to do or Kirby to do but all of them will(to me any way) would be straying too far from what the series is and would be better suited for a new IP or spinoff.

            Yes Finding new innovation is Nintendo’s job and if you ask me they are doing a damn good job in the hardware area with the DS and WiiU but Nintendo have had bad experiences in doing so with their games, and I think I know why, Its theroy time!
            This part is more me venting when people say nintendo doesnt try anything new when that isnt true but it still has some relevance to our discussion
            They want to please their fans (and line their pockets ofcourse as companies seek to do) and they act depending on how their fanbase reacts to their games. And the sad truth is a lot of gamers hate change, I heard there was a lot of backlash for zelda 2(I wasnt there I’m only 17)  so the logical step for the next game was to go back to what the fans liked, it paid off for them.
            Fans of mario didnt like the american mario 2(from what Ive heard again I wasnt there) for more than one reason even though it was good game some fans reacted negativly towards this nintendo played it safe again. and the same goes with sunshine.with the kirby series from what I know most people reacted positivly towards the games and spinnofs, until epic yarn rolled around, this got a much more mixed response though thats because I dont think we waited an entire generation of no console kirby games just to get a spinoffI dont think I need to bring up the risk they took with other M and how even though the gameplay was good( to me at least) the fan backlash was downright catastrophic.and the hate for a lot of the new wii brand games and wii music in particular got so much hate thats its damn near tangible.they are taking another risk however with kid icarus making the jump to 3D after 25 years it looks to be story driven though probably not anywhere close to bioshock levels.I think Nintendo plays it safe because when they don’t 9 times out of 10 it doesn’t end well for them, but I could be completly wrong.and I can understand being annoyed at the blind Nintendo fans stating that all Nintendo games are new and innovative, but it bugs me just as much when people say they don’t change at all but I do think that Nintendo do have the largest impact in the gaming industry for good or for bad, sony and microsoft didn’t add motion control’s to their consoles all of a sudden by co incidence is all I’m saying

            and I apologize for any spelling or grammar mistakes, I am dyslexic.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Dakota-Lancaster/1626454829 Dakota Lancaster

            Very well said, and I have to agree with your theory. Nintendo tends to play it safe, rather than take the risk and face the wrath of fan anger and disappointment. Which of course has its negatives and its positives. Don’t worry about spelling or grammar, no one here is an officer  in the grammar police I’m sure.

          • Anonymous

            Thank You, also I must point out that when people bring up the lack of anything new in the Zelda series they either don’t back up that statement… ever! or just bring up the story and there lies the biggest problem.

            The video game media probably has the most diverse audience than any other media not just in our genres but in that there are 2 big developer groups and consumer groups: the group that don’t think video games need a great story, and those who do or at least really really want most of them to( I know I could have done a “there are two types of people in this world” joke but I chose not to)
            cinema, film, animation, etc doesn’t have this because they are a story telling media while Video gaming is an entertainment media and has the benefits of making a game with absolutely no story and not getting completely panned for itI am in the former group, and Nintendo develop games for the former, the latter are not and Nintendo is not developing games for them in particular, now when these two groups keep to themselves everything is fine and hunky dory when the latter tries to interact with the former, well this happens, now there is nothing wrong with wanting great and drastic story changes from the legend of Zelda or Mario but expecting it is really just silly especially since they haven’t for so long and getting worked up over it equally as silly.

            And the bigger problem is both sides almost all ways think they are right, are almost all ways trying to either prove the other side wrong or make them think their way which causes a lot of anger from both sides which only serves to elevate this endless conflict.
            upon re-reading the previous two paragraphs I noticed I made it sound a lot like some kind of war hmm “the war of the Gamers” BRB I’ma write this down….hmm I think I just stopped being relevant and just started rambling oh wellAnyway Its actually been really nice talking to you I don’t think we need to  continue this discussion we can agree to disagree unless you have something you wish to add.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Dakota-Lancaster/1626454829 Dakota Lancaster

            Very well said, and I have to agree with your theory. Nintendo tends to play it safe, rather than take the risk and face the wrath of fan anger and disappointment. Which of course has its negatives and its positives. Don’t worry about spelling or grammar, no one here is an officer  in the grammar police I’m sure.

          • Anonymous

            It seems to me that I was right and our standards for what makes a game new are very different. The differences I listed are changes enough for me to consider the next game in a series new. but you want more than that and that’s fine by me but. But tell me this what Gameplay changes do you think could be made to a Nintendo franchise without changing it to the point where you might as well make it its own new IP or changing what the series has been about?

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Dakota-Lancaster/1626454829 Dakota Lancaster

            Those differences you’re listing for each game is just a few new features! A few of those games did have interesting and new mechanics, but for most of those games nothing earth shattering, just the same games with a few things added on. And you’re right, no need to list the spin offs. I can appreciate your passion and the points you bring up which did question what I had said and sir may I say as internet disagreements go on, this is one of the more intelligent and tough ones I have had, but with every generation of games and sequels, my statements just become more and more true. Sure, nintendo has a style of its own unlike any of other consoles who mostly release bland shooters over and over again, but at least they have some of the most interesting stories in gaming in some of their games. You mentioned your interest in Bioshock, I highly suggest you play the original. This was a game that I played when I was a teen that honestly made me realize how amazing games could be. It was suspenseful, violent, interesting, but even touching. These features you’re talking about make the games different, but not for years has nintendo’s games made me feel this way about a game, and be a completely new and mind blowing experience. Mario Galaxy is a great game sure, its art style is great, its a cute game, but it just won’t have the same affect on me as much as a game with truly innovative experience, as making your own decisions, playing your own way. These are the innovations I am talking about. A true emotional connection, not to say is impossible with zelda and mario, especially zelda who has had some epic quests over the years, but it’s just the same experience almost.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Dakota-Lancaster/1626454829 Dakota Lancaster

            Those differences you’re listing for each game is just a few new features! A few of those games did have interesting and new mechanics, but for most of those games nothing earth shattering, just the same games with a few things added on. And you’re right, no need to list the spin offs. I can appreciate your passion and the points you bring up which did question what I had said and sir may I say as internet disagreements go on, this is one of the more intelligent and tough ones I have had, but with every generation of games and sequels, my statements just become more and more true. Sure, nintendo has a style of its own unlike any of other consoles who mostly release bland shooters over and over again, but at least they have some of the most interesting stories in gaming in some of their games. You mentioned your interest in Bioshock, I highly suggest you play the original. This was a game that I played when I was a teen that honestly made me realize how amazing games could be. It was suspenseful, violent, interesting, but even touching. These features you’re talking about make the games different, but not for years has nintendo’s games made me feel this way about a game, and be a completely new and mind blowing experience. Mario Galaxy is a great game sure, its art style is great, its a cute game, but it just won’t have the same affect on me as much as a game with truly innovative experience, as making your own decisions, playing your own way. These are the innovations I am talking about. A true emotional connection, not to say is impossible with zelda and mario, especially zelda who has had some epic quests over the years, but it’s just the same experience almost.

      • http://www.saisasylum.com/ Sai

        Two of their biggest franchises have the exact same plot every time: Save the princess from the big bad. 

        • Anonymous

          Your talking about Final Fantasy right? Or are you talking about every other RPG game ever made?

          • http://www.saisasylum.com/ Sai

            When the hell has Final Fantasy ever been “save the princess”?

          • Anonymous

            the first one started off as such but then became your standard save the world from big evil fare with a pinch of time travel thrown into it. I liked it, as for the rest, the only other main final fantasy games I played are 10 and 13, neither of which I finished

          • Anonymous

            the first one started off as such but then became your standard save the world from big evil fare with a pinch of time travel thrown into it. I liked it, as for the rest, the only other main final fantasy games I played are 10 and 13, neither of which I finished

        • Anonymous

          mario? yes zelda? HA HA HA no. so he saves a princess so? this doesnt make my argument any less valid, it just gives me the impression that you either dont play them or dont pay attention to the story if you do. with the zelda games the story leading up to saving the princess is all ways different and there is almost allways a good reason for kidnapping her beyond just because which is more than what can be said for most save the princess stories and even then a few games like majoras mask, Links awakening and the spirit tracks you dont have to save her and in the spirit tracks you just have to save her body(its part of the plot atl east I havent gotten too far in it yet), her soul is trapped in a suit of armor and she even aids you throughout the game which is new.

          and when it comes to the mario platformers(and ONLY the platformers) yeah this is true I’m not disagreeing with you there but I already stated That in the comment you are responding to did you even read the whole thing? bringing up mario only served to make me repeat myself. and is there really anything wrong with a game with no real plot as long as the games are fun.

          rethink your argument and try again

          • http://www.saisasylum.com/ Sai

            Alright, it’s save the princess by going to the Forest Temple the Desert Temple the Water Temple etc. … it’s always dungeons with Zelda. Any bit of plot is only an excuse to get you o the next one. You’re still saving her in Spirit Tracks. Even in Ocarina of Time where she got to be more active as soon as she’s back in her dress she’s just a damsel in distress again. 

            Majora’s Mask was different and that’s why it’s my favorite one, because it’s compelling and interesting. 

            I’m not saying the gameplay is never different (though really Twilight Princess felt just like the first 3D Zeldas) but come on Zelda and Mario have never really had epic plots. They’re from a time when story didn’t really matter much and the industry is beginning to noticeably evolve past them.

          • Anonymous

            it seems that all you are focusing on is in the story of the zelda games is that you have to save a princess and you are disregarding any and all story elements in between, if you did the same with most other games almost every game story would be incredibly shallow

            Now I’m not saying that the zelda games have the best stories, I’m just saying they arnt all the same they follow a similar basic formula sure but whats wrong with that?
            Oh and before you bring up the rehash/stagnant argument that is a bull shit argument that will end nowhere because that’s a subjective argument and wont hold up concerning fans of the series, what you think might be rehashed clearly doesn’t match up with what the fans think to be rehashes and will only serve to piss people off.

            And even if the story was the same every time why does it matter? The series is made for an audience who doesn’t care too much about complex plots in their games you seem to wand games with more complex plots and are clearly not in this audience and therefore your arguments along with spoony’s when it comes to the story at least is akin to a body builder ranting about barbie because it doesnt meet their tastes. the series is clearly not for you and even if it used to be it isnt anymore so why do you care so much?

          • http://www.saisasylum.com/ Sai

            Exactly, they follow a formula. I’ve played other fantasy games that have the same gameplay (Elder Scrolls, Dragon Age) but they’d don’t recycle the same three characters with the same basic plot over and over.

            Many game series are known by their play style, Zelda is no exception, but it’s also known by it’s basic plot which is the same every single time. Save for a few like Majora’s Mask which again is a stand out BECAUSE it’s different.

            It matters because you’re basically playing a remake every time. Zelda is kidnapped/put into a sleep, go to these 5 temples and get the MacGuffins to save her, she’s the Triforce of Wisdom, you’re Courage, the bad guy Ganon is power. You beat Ganon/seal him away rince wash repeat.

            The problem is Nintendo is kind of stuck at this point. Where do you go with Zelda? You can’t give Link a voice because after 20 years of history that has disaster written all over it. But there must be something new that can be done with the series. The problem is Nintendo doesn’t even want to try, these days they just play it safe and make the same games again and again with little difference. Throughout the 90′s Mario games, for example, really changed things up. Mario 3 is vastly different than Mario 1, Mario 64 is completely different than the 2Ds. But they seemed to have just stopped there. And in the last year or two frankly, I’ve grown weary of it. I mean I’m saying this AS a Nintendo fan. I don’t know what more you want.

          • Anonymous

            from what you have told me you see them as the same game over and over again, now I’m not trying to persuade you to my way of thinking I’m just letting you know where I’m coming from and why I like and defend the zelda series.

            and to me it seems your biggest problem is that the story follows a similar structure,yeah? and thats what alot of the appeal is to some peoplegrass is green the sky os blue 90% FPS games are brown and the zelda and mario series follow a formula, and I’m okay with that.

            in your opinion you may be playing a remake but don’t parade that statement as fact.
            For me a zelda game is always new and fresh(save for the straight up remakes and ports) new experience. an adventure in a familiar yet radically different world and the main attraction for me is the solid game play and exploring hyrule at many different points in the timeline.Right now I’m going to take some of your points and give you my thoughts  on them”It matters because you’re basically playing a remake every time.” stop right thereYOU ARE WRONG and I don’t mean that in the you are wrong in my opinion I mean it this is one of the few times I can say you are objectively fucking wrong!And do you know why? not only is that an opinion you seem to be parading as fact but you are also trying to speak for me you say I am playing a remake of zelda game every time and that is simply not true. speak for yourself!”she’s the Triforce of Wisdom, you’re Courage, the bad guy Ganon is power. ” if nintendo changed so much as a letter in that sentence their fans would burn them alive. its pretty hard rooted into the zelda mythology and changing that is begging for trouble. Big NO NO”don’t recycle the same three characters with the same basic plot over and over.” what would changing the main cast do to help the franchise? because I think it would only hurt it” explain why this would be good?”You beat Ganon/seal him away rince wash repeat. “ Ganon hasnt been in a links awakening, majoras mask but you already know that, 4swirds on the GBA (I think), minish cap and wont be the big bad of skyward sword, threes an entirely new guy. and I dont think he is in spririt tracks or phantom hourglass but I dont know I never finished those. I agree ganon has been over used latley especaily in twilight princess.

            “go to these 5 temples and get the MacGuffins to save her” Okay this is just me being nit picky but the temples and macguffins do vairy in number and the puzzles are allways different and serve different purposes that lead up to saving zelda, their sole purpose is not just to save zeldaand the dungeon system is getting an overhaul in skyward sword so you may have already gotten the change you wanted concerning this pointnow if we took all of those those points you made and changed them we would not have the legend of zelda anymore we would have a different game that had no business being called the legend of zelda, is this what you want? and if so what about the established zelda fanbase?

            “The problem is Nintendo doesn’t even want to try” 
            Now I see this dtatement a lot but it is only true if you look at the big 2 at face value, if you look deeper you will see that this statement is also untrue not only when it comes to zelda but with Nintendo as a whole.

            we’l ignore zelda 2 because that was so long ago I wasn’t even born yet and skip to more recent games, now phantom hourglass is a zelda game I did not like and the reason i did not like it was because of the changes, they opted to use the stylus to make link move and draw the the ships course and drawing on the map or even drawing your own map, added the titular phantom hour glass which gave you more time to explore the phantom dungeon which you have to return to every time you beat a boss to get the necessarily item to progress. now these Ideas sound okay on paper  and I dont know any game that played like it and it seelms like they were trying to me but in practice these features ruined the game for me.
            using the stylus to move was okay for the most part but got irritatingdrawing the course for the ship removed all the fun the boat parts of wind waker had for medrawing on the map was fun and a great way to keep track of things in dungeons and many games can benefit from a feature like this but when I had to draw my own map I was completely lost and the titular phantom hourglass and its temple just really bugged me. now here nintendo did try to switch things up gameplay wise with good Ideas that just didnt work and this was a fairly recent game.

            I could bring up the tingle games but I’m not even sure if they were localized or not.

            yes nintendo play it safe with their biggest franchises but its due to not working out well in the past.

            Now lets take a look back at kid icarus on the nes. now look at the upcoming 3DS game and the “Nintendo doesn’t even want to try” argument shrivels and dies, Nintendo could have easily just took the core gameplay of the original, refined it a little bit and gave it prettier graphics but instead opted to go for a completly new gameplay style unlike anything I have played

            I could bring up more but I dont want this post to be too bg I’l just cap it off with starfox adventures and star fox assault, one was an entirely different genre the other combined the 2 in a good way.nintendo take more risks than they are given credit for, its just that it doesn’t work out in their favor 9 times out of 10, mario sunshine,other M, I dont think I need to mention the hardware, wii Music, and no one ever talks about brain training or wii fit, it is somethjing new its just not soemething that appeals to “core gamers” and is rarely ever talked about.
            “You can’t give Link a voice because after 20 years of history that has disaster written all over it” well they could go the fable route and ease him into a speaking role by having very few lines, but fan reaction would still be worse than the whole Drummond vs Griffin arguments among the sonic fans.

            what other developer has had as much rage and backlash towards them as nintendo has gottten? if other developers got as much backlash I would be pretty certain they would take things just as safely

            “ Mario 3 is vastly different than Mario 1, Mario 64 is completely different than the 2Ds. But they seemed to have just stopped there.” I never played mario three so I cant say anything there, but I would not say that mario galaxy and mario 64 are the same game, for one thing Galaxy had gravity/ planet based levels and the core mechanics are quite different and utilised this well and made fantastic levels with great and new platforming that hasnt been seen before galaxy, though I will admit galaxy 2 is basically a level pack but with yoshi

            now if the changes I listed still ring to you as the same thing, tell me what you would consider change?

            “I mean I’m saying this AS a Nintendo fan. I don’t know what more you want” 

            y’know a lot of your other posts don’t exactly give of the vibe that you are a nintendo fan
            I just want you to see what I think is Nintendo’s reasoning for ding what they do and where I am coming from when I and people defend the series I enjoy  and the company I look up to.

            that and have a discussion  on the subject.

            and sorry about the spelling errors I am dyslectic

          • http://www.saisasylum.com/ Sai

            I’m in my late 20′s, I’m an OLD Nintendo fan. I’ve been with them since the beginning of their home consoles. So maybe that’s why it seems more obvious to me that they’re repeating themselves.

            I’m not one of these kids who started gaming with the PS2 and just goes “hurrh hurh Nintendo sucks cause they don’t hab COD”, trust me. I think Nintendo’s lackluster development in the last few years hurts me MORE because I AM a fan. Though quickly becoming a former fan I think. I defending the Wii for a while but I just couldn’t do it anymore. I started branching away from more familiar game staples and found so much I really like.

            Look, Zelda games have the same setting and the same plot each time, how can that not be considered a “remake”, at least in essence?

            Why would it hurt to change that Zelda, Link and Ganon all have the Triforce on them? I’m pretty sure that wasn’t the case in the first few games.

            Well I’m glad other Zeldas are not worrying about making Ganon the main villain all the time. I’ll admit I haven’t played the DS titles, I’m just not a big handheld gamer. I’ve always considered handheld installments to kind of be spinoffs.

            “Okay this is just me being nit picky but the temples and macguffins do vairy in number and the puzzles are allways different and serve different purposes that lead up to saving zelda”

            It doesn’t matter if they’re different, a MacGuffin is a MacGuffin.

            Ninty gets a bigger backlash because they’re so beloved and because people know they can do better. But they’re becoming like the senile old Granpa of the game industry who tries to be hip and fresh but it just isn’t working.

            Matio Galaxy having gravity doesn’t mean it’s completely different than Mario 64. It’s just Mario 64 with a few new features.

            The only reason there’s a new Kid Icarus game is because of the re-design Sakura studios gave him in Brawl. Though I will admit the game looks badass, too bad it’s on the 3Ds, which due to its price and after the Earthquake in Japan hasn’t been selling as much as they anticipated.

          • Anonymous

            “I’m not one of these kids who started gaming with the PS2 and just goes “hurrh hurh Nintendo sucks cause they don’t hab COD” ”
            I was not saying you are and I wouldn’t want to insult you by likening you to those people

            “I AM a fan” 

            i believe  you I never said you were not, its just that a lot of your posts didn’t reflect that

            “Look, Zelda games have the same setting and the same plot each time, how can that not be considered a “remake”, at least in essence?”
            Thats not a very good argument. If you just boil things down like that all shooters: would be nothing more than shooting shit, all rpgs would be nothing more than random battle choose attacks win and move on, all action rpgs would be nothing more than slash shit, rts games would be nothing more than point and click to make other people shoot and/or slash shit in essence all videogames boil down to is pressing buttons but its the things on top of that that elevate it beyond that.

            The fact of the matter is nintendo DO add things,though for you what they add is not enough.
            now if nintendo added absolutely nothing each iteration then I would not be defending them, what they do add is more than enough for me and their audience.

            “Why would it hurt to change that Zelda, Link and Ganon all have the Triforce on them? I’m pretty sure that wasn’t the case in the first few games. 

            True but it has become hard rooted into the series since then and it wouldn’t bode well with the majority of the fans if this was changed and even if it did why would it help? it would feel off to me

            “It doesn’t matter if they’re different, a MacGuffin is a MacGuffin”

            well like I said I was being nit picky

            “Ninty gets a bigger backlash because they’re so beloved and because people know they can do better”

            From people out side of their fan base and thats microscopic compared to the shit they get from most of their fans for changing things. its like choosing between getting pinched in the arm or being shot in the  mouth what would you pick?

            “But they’re becoming like the senile old Granpa of the game industry who tries to be hip and fresh but it just isn’t working.” 

            Breaking into new audiences , changing the way we play games and continuing to influence the competition isn’t fresh? I dont see it that way. and I dont think they are trying to be hip, I see trying to be hip as trying to get into what them young kids today like and nintendo naturaly appeals to children, they dont even have to try. i would say the closest company that are would be EA with that fucking “your moms gonna hate this” ad campaign but then again thats just my definition of the word hip
            and calling nintendo a grampa would be quite apt as they are over 100 years old but they are not senile, if they were they would be repeating pasts mistakes.

            “Martio Galaxy having gravity doesn’t mean it’s completely different than Mario 64. It’s just Mario 64 with a few new features”

            In my eyes thats what a sequel should be unless making the jump to 3D change too much for better or for worse and then it would just become zelda in name only, and the gravity mechanic is a pretty big feature. You ask for new things, well answer me this, what other platforming game had you hopping from oddly shaped planet to oddly shaped planet trying to avoid death falls black holes and other hazzards. and using the gravity elements to help you progress through the level. are you trying to tell me that not only is this not different but it could be achieved with mario 64? well I dont see it that way.

            “The only reason there’s a new Kid Icarus game is because of the re-design Sakura studios gave him in Brawl”

            Unless nintendo said that and I just missed it, No! what would stop them from using the new character design and making it a 2.5D sidescroller? and if that is the case then wow thats the most trivial reason to   make a series go into a completely new direction.

          • Anonymous

            “I’m not one of these kids who started gaming with the PS2 and just goes “hurrh hurh Nintendo sucks cause they don’t hab COD” ”
            I was not saying you are and I wouldn’t want to insult you by likening you to those people

            “I AM a fan” 

            i believe  you I never said you were not, its just that a lot of your posts didn’t reflect that

            “Look, Zelda games have the same setting and the same plot each time, how can that not be considered a “remake”, at least in essence?”
            Thats not a very good argument. If you just boil things down like that all shooters: would be nothing more than shooting shit, all rpgs would be nothing more than random battle choose attacks win and move on, all action rpgs would be nothing more than slash shit, rts games would be nothing more than point and click to make other people shoot and/or slash shit in essence all videogames boil down to is pressing buttons but its the things on top of that that elevate it beyond that.

            The fact of the matter is nintendo DO add things,though for you what they add is not enough.
            now if nintendo added absolutely nothing each iteration then I would not be defending them, what they do add is more than enough for me and their audience.

            “Why would it hurt to change that Zelda, Link and Ganon all have the Triforce on them? I’m pretty sure that wasn’t the case in the first few games. 

            True but it has become hard rooted into the series since then and it wouldn’t bode well with the majority of the fans if this was changed and even if it did why would it help? it would feel off to me

            “It doesn’t matter if they’re different, a MacGuffin is a MacGuffin”

            well like I said I was being nit picky

            “Ninty gets a bigger backlash because they’re so beloved and because people know they can do better”

            From people out side of their fan base and thats microscopic compared to the shit they get from most of their fans for changing things. its like choosing between getting pinched in the arm or being shot in the  mouth what would you pick?

            “But they’re becoming like the senile old Granpa of the game industry who tries to be hip and fresh but it just isn’t working.” 

            Breaking into new audiences , changing the way we play games and continuing to influence the competition isn’t fresh? I dont see it that way. and I dont think they are trying to be hip, I see trying to be hip as trying to get into what them young kids today like and nintendo naturaly appeals to children, they dont even have to try. i would say the closest company that are would be EA with that fucking “your moms gonna hate this” ad campaign but then again thats just my definition of the word hip
            and calling nintendo a grampa would be quite apt as they are over 100 years old but they are not senile, if they were they would be repeating pasts mistakes.

            “Martio Galaxy having gravity doesn’t mean it’s completely different than Mario 64. It’s just Mario 64 with a few new features”

            In my eyes thats what a sequel should be unless making the jump to 3D change too much for better or for worse and then it would just become zelda in name only, and the gravity mechanic is a pretty big feature. You ask for new things, well answer me this, what other platforming game had you hopping from oddly shaped planet to oddly shaped planet trying to avoid death falls black holes and other hazzards. and using the gravity elements to help you progress through the level. are you trying to tell me that not only is this not different but it could be achieved with mario 64? well I dont see it that way.

            “The only reason there’s a new Kid Icarus game is because of the re-design Sakura studios gave him in Brawl”

            Unless nintendo said that and I just missed it, No! what would stop them from using the new character design and making it a 2.5D sidescroller? and if that is the case then wow thats the most trivial reason to   make a series go into a completely new direction.

          • http://twitter.com/RocMegamanX RocMegamanX

            I have to ask this: If a game company(doesn’t just have to be Nintendo) didn’t play it safe, what would happen? They would lose money. What would happen if they lost TOO much money? They would either:

            1. get absorbed into a larger company
            2. succumb to bankruptcy
            3. ????

            Why do people applaud game companies for taking risks that could DESTROY the game companies in question?

          • http://twitter.com/RocMegamanX RocMegamanX

            I have to ask this: If a game company(doesn’t just have to be Nintendo) didn’t play it safe, what would happen? They would lose money. What would happen if they lost TOO much money? They would either:

            1. get absorbed into a larger company
            2. succumb to bankruptcy
            3. ????

            Why do people applaud game companies for taking risks that could DESTROY the game companies in question?

          • http://www.saisasylum.com/ Sai

            Exactly, they follow a formula. I’ve played other fantasy games that have the same gameplay (Elder Scrolls, Dragon Age) but they’d don’t recycle the same three characters with the same basic plot over and over.

            Many game series are known by their play style, Zelda is no exception, but it’s also known by it’s basic plot which is the same every single time. Save for a few like Majora’s Mask which again is a stand out BECAUSE it’s different.

            It matters because you’re basically playing a remake every time. Zelda is kidnapped/put into a sleep, go to these 5 temples and get the MacGuffins to save her, she’s the Triforce of Wisdom, you’re Courage, the bad guy Ganon is power. You beat Ganon/seal him away rince wash repeat.

            The problem is Nintendo is kind of stuck at this point. Where do you go with Zelda? You can’t give Link a voice because after 20 years of history that has disaster written all over it. But there must be something new that can be done with the series. The problem is Nintendo doesn’t even want to try, these days they just play it safe and make the same games again and again with little difference. Throughout the 90′s Mario games, for example, really changed things up. Mario 3 is vastly different than Mario 1, Mario 64 is completely different than the 2Ds. But they seemed to have just stopped there. And in the last year or two frankly, I’ve grown weary of it. I mean I’m saying this AS a Nintendo fan. I don’t know what more you want.

          • http://www.saisasylum.com/ Sai

            Exactly, they follow a formula. I’ve played other fantasy games that have the same gameplay (Elder Scrolls, Dragon Age) but they’d don’t recycle the same three characters with the same basic plot over and over.

            Many game series are known by their play style, Zelda is no exception, but it’s also known by it’s basic plot which is the same every single time. Save for a few like Majora’s Mask which again is a stand out BECAUSE it’s different.

            It matters because you’re basically playing a remake every time. Zelda is kidnapped/put into a sleep, go to these 5 temples and get the MacGuffins to save her, she’s the Triforce of Wisdom, you’re Courage, the bad guy Ganon is power. You beat Ganon/seal him away rince wash repeat.

            The problem is Nintendo is kind of stuck at this point. Where do you go with Zelda? You can’t give Link a voice because after 20 years of history that has disaster written all over it. But there must be something new that can be done with the series. The problem is Nintendo doesn’t even want to try, these days they just play it safe and make the same games again and again with little difference. Throughout the 90′s Mario games, for example, really changed things up. Mario 3 is vastly different than Mario 1, Mario 64 is completely different than the 2Ds. But they seemed to have just stopped there. And in the last year or two frankly, I’ve grown weary of it. I mean I’m saying this AS a Nintendo fan. I don’t know what more you want.

          • Anonymous

            also its not really telling as none of their other franchises ever had that plot let alone a princess in them.

          • Anonymous

            also its not really telling as none of their other franchises ever had that plot let alone a princess in them.

          • Anonymous

            If you are playing the main Mario games for story you are doing it wrong anyway, though something I certainly would welcome something new and interesting story-wise as long as it doesn’t get in the way of the gameplay.

            Not the same with Zelda, but it’s definitely not the most essential part of it. Where I think it does excel at story-telling are all the seperate areas you visit with all their own quirks and quests.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Hawke-Kirschner/100000122741232 Hawke Kirschner

    I gotta disagree with you here Spoony, at least about the Zelda franchise. I mean yeah, re-re-re-re-re-releasing OoT for the 3DS is pretty weak, I admit, but there’s a reason that Zelda games don’t generally skew far from the usual formula. It’s because they work. Also, the general story for each game is original enough that it keeps people coming back to see what will happen this time around.

    I’d also like to point out that Majora’s Mask was WILDLY different from OoT.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Hawke-Kirschner/100000122741232 Hawke Kirschner

    That being said, Motion Control is, in fact, balls.

    • Anonymous

      my good sir it is in my opinion that motion controls are not in fact, balls. but it is the way that most developers use them are, in fact, balls

    • Anonymous

      my good sir it is in my opinion that motion controls are not in fact, balls. but it is the way that most developers use them are, in fact, balls

    • Anonymous

      my good sir it is in my opinion that motion controls are not in fact, balls. but it is the way that most developers use them are, in fact, balls

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1735555024 David Hemphill

     Although I am very excited for Skyward Sword I will acknowledge the fact that the Zelda series can be very cut and paste at times, so I think it’s about time Nintendo tried out some DLC. I know I wouldn’t mind buying new adventures for the same game if the game is really as solid and fun as it seems. DLC like Undead Nightmare for Red Dead really added a new adventure and type of game. Also Borderlands DLC added new adventures so it would be nice to something like that implemented.

    • Anonymous

      they could with the wiiU, personally I’m hoping for DLC characters for the WIIU super smash bros

  • Anonymous

    HEAR THAT GUYS? NINTENDO IS THE ONE BEING TOTALLY UNORIGINAL!

    Oh wait.

    http://i-beta.crackedcdn.com/phpimages/article/6/6/0/62660.jpg

    …Huh.

  • Anonymous

    It’s the degree to which Zelda titles are different that matters to me here.

    -Majora’s Mask?
    Yeah, it ran on an updated version of the Ocarina of Time’s engine, and it did transfer/copy a large number of models, but it was a very, VERY different game in terms of difficulty, story, characters, pacing, and themes (those paying attention will find the issues of marriage, parenting, and even death tucked beneath the surface of the central plot).
    It’s easily one of the hardest titles in the series after the Oracle games and Zelda 2; and it’s not because of shitty motion controls (the Wii version of the next game in this list).

    -Twilight Princess however, might as well had been a carbon copy of Ocarina of Time with better looking levels. The whole story of Midna seems completely inconsequential in comparison to the usual Zelda tropes: Clear dungeons, get new items, kill a giant pig-man.

    -Phantom Hourglass lies somewhere in the middle for originality:
    for the original DS starts out being a gimmicky mess, but I found the near rogue-like central dungeon of the game (the thing many Zelda fans *hated* about PH) refreshing. While the usual items make their return, Nintendo did find some new and creative uses for many of them.
    Sadly, they also brought back all of that monotonous sailing.
    Want to create a massive environment filled with largely nothing? That’s the ocean. And it’s why I couldn’t play beyond the first dungeon of Wind Waker.

    From what little I’ve seen of Skyward Sword; I’m guessing that it’s going to be a hybrid of Twilight Princess and Wind Waker. In short, more Ocarina of Time style dungeons/loops. Eh…

    The only remaining comment I have on Nintendo’s lineup: Yeah, the franchise milking has gone on for a very long time, but they have accomplished this through a strong sense of quality control for their first party titles. In fact, the ONLY perennial Nintendo franchise not to make any sort of appearance was Metroid (I’m guessing that Other M has something to do with it).

    • Anonymous

      apparently the whole dungeon system wont be in skyward sward or at the very least will get an over haul, the only similarities between twilight princess and windwaker that I see are the mixed aesthetics: the cell shaded graphics that even though windwaker was cell shaded this style looks very different. and the more human-ish characters with more normal sized heads

    • Anonymous

      apparently the whole dungeon system wont be in skyward sward or at the very least will get an over haul, the only similarities between twilight princess and windwaker that I see are the mixed aesthetics: the cell shaded graphics that even though windwaker was cell shaded this style looks very different. and the more human-ish characters with more normal sized heads

    • Anonymous

      apparently the whole dungeon system wont be in skyward sward or at the very least will get an over haul, the only similarities between twilight princess and windwaker that I see are the mixed aesthetics: the cell shaded graphics that even though windwaker was cell shaded this style looks very different. and the more human-ish characters with more normal sized heads

    • http://www.saisasylum.com/ Sai

      Majora’s Mask is my favorite. It didn’t feel like a Zelda game, it could have been done with completely different characters and been exactly the same. But maybe the fact no other Zelda game has switched up the formula as drastically is why it doesn’t feel like one. 

      Still it was a fantastic game. 

    • Anonymous

      “Clear dungeons, get new items, kill a giant pig-man.”

      That’s kind of what the games been about since its release.

      You know kind of how racing games are “pick fast car, go fast, be first at checkered flag.”

       Or how about Tetris “stack blocks make line”

      or mario  ” Jump on turtle collect star beat lizard”

      I mean your just pointing out stuff that’s supposed to be the reason why you pick up Zelda or any of these titles. You don’t buy a Zelda game expecting link to walk about San Andreas stealing cars and paying princess zelda for sex to regain his hearts. I mean common. No 2 Zelda games have ever been a like. Anyone who says they are doesn’t play them I.E. Spoony. And since when did people start counting Portable games as part of the main franchise? Portables a re supposed to be kick down versions of the console games just portable. That’s kind of the point to them. They’re not going to release MVC2 on a console and then say surprise here’s MVC3 it’s only for NintendoDS now. Sorry.

      • Anonymous

        Way to take my quote out of context: My complaint isn’t directed at the formula, it’s that in Twilight Princess, Midna really served little purpose beyond a darker version of Navi. I was honestly not all that interested in her character throughout the whole game (except when you first meet and she acts like a total prick to you; that much was amusing).

        If you nix Midna, all you’re left with is Wolf Link being trapped in half of Ocarina of Time. And really, the only thing Wolf Link has accomplished is inspiring yet more furry porn the Internet over.

        Further, the portable titles are NOT just cut-down versions of their bigger brothers. Both Oracle games, Spirit Tracks and Phantom Hourglass (have not yet played Minish Cap, sadly) were VERY strong titles despite their “portable limitations”. Even Link’s Awakening provided a full experience, and it’s DAMN old!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=523676678 Jake Jefferus Shipley

    I’ll be honest I’m a zelda fan but I have to agree with Spoony on ocarina of time, and I think I said words very similar about the 3DS release of Ocarina, because I bought the original, the cube release came with Wind waker and I have no urge to play it a 3rd time. Mostly because it sucked the first time

    • Anonymous

      well of course the 3DS ocarina of time will play like the N64 Game, its is a remake no one is arguing with him there.

    • Anonymous

      well of course the 3DS ocarina of time will play like the N64 Game, its is a remake no one is arguing with him there.

  • http://twitter.com/jayblanc jayblanc

    You see that white box under the TV in the WiiU photos you’ve used for this video?

    That’s the WiiU.

    The controller isn’t a new motion control system… the Wii already did that. Nintendo have moved on, this is a *touch screen* controller, and that is new for living-room console games. Albiet something that have been present, and have fundamentally changed game play methods in the DS and iPhone.

    Read the press pack, don’t just go by the presentation where stuff can be accidentally skipped over. They give out the press packs for a reason, and if you speed read them you can then put out a video that doesn’t make you look like you’re just disinterested in reporting and just want to rant.

    In all, this video reminds me of your “Tron 2″ review, when you apparently fell asleep during the important parts of the movie.

  • http://twitter.com/jayblanc jayblanc

    You see that white box under the TV in the WiiU photos you’ve used for this video?

    That’s the WiiU.

    The controller isn’t a new motion control system… the Wii already did that. Nintendo have moved on, this is a *touch screen* controller, and that is new for living-room console games. Albiet something that have been present, and have fundamentally changed game play methods in the DS and iPhone.

    Read the press pack, don’t just go by the presentation where stuff can be accidentally skipped over. They give out the press packs for a reason, and if you speed read them you can then put out a video that doesn’t make you look like you’re just disinterested in reporting and just want to rant.

    In all, this video reminds me of your “Tron 2″ review, when you apparently fell asleep during the important parts of the movie.

  • http://twitter.com/jayblanc jayblanc

    You see that white box under the TV in the WiiU photos you’ve used for this video?

    That’s the WiiU.

    The controller isn’t a new motion control system… the Wii already did that. Nintendo have moved on, this is a *touch screen* controller, and that is new for living-room console games. Albiet something that have been present, and have fundamentally changed game play methods in the DS and iPhone.

    Read the press pack, don’t just go by the presentation where stuff can be accidentally skipped over. They give out the press packs for a reason, and if you speed read them you can then put out a video that doesn’t make you look like you’re just disinterested in reporting and just want to rant.

    In all, this video reminds me of your “Tron 2″ review, when you apparently fell asleep during the important parts of the movie.

  • Anonymous

    talking about stale games, microsoft and sony put out the same boring adult oriented games that supposed to be hardcore, but barely provide any challenges to the gamers. They either copy nintendo’s ideas like the motion control or buy off other companies. They never take a risk and act like a bunch pussies. They are trying to combine multimedia and social networking with gaming, which no gamers should ever give a fuck about. Nintendo at least try new things to change gaming, because from what I see, gaming is boring as fuck these days. So many overpriced multiplats and DLCs. Get spammed by ads in our own consoles, this did not happen 10 years ago. Developers got so lazy, that they release games that aren’t even finished. I can rant like this forever, but the point is, people need to stop judging things so early, the wii U is not even out yet, and people are already shitting on it.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/IXJMIHEAY5JL6LOQCY7T3JNZSI eeeeeeee

    Implying you should fix what ain’t broke.
    I seriously hope you don’t do this, Spoony.

  • Geoffrey Walter

    The best part about you is your insatiable desire for flame wars in your comments page, Spoony :D Never change.

    Get the asbestos undies!

    *looks at the comments so far*

    Damn, I was too slow! :)

    (And before anyone whines at me, the Wii is the only current gen console I own and I’m a die-hard for Nintendo. Get off’a me)

  • http://www.saisasylum.com/ Sai

    I’m with you, Spoon. I grew up with Nintendo. I bought a Wii first this generation. But things started to change when I saw Assassin’s Creed and started thinking of getting a 360. And then changed even more when I found myself playing alot more games on PC.

    I enjoyed the Wii for a while, but the games I enjoyed the most weren’t first-party Nintendo titles (de Blob, Endless Ocean, Muramasa etc.) I was excited about Mario Galaxy and even though it was a throwback to Mario 64 it just couldn’t hold my attention as well for some reason. Being a wolf in Twilight Princess was tedious and the plot was all over the damn place. Around the time Donkey Kong Country Returns and Kirby’s Epic Yarn came out I was getting pretty sick of Nintendo and feeling like they really do just make the same shit over and over (even if it was Yoshi’s Island that Kirby was cribbing.)

    And when they revealed the WiiU I decided I really didn’t give a fuck anymore. 

    • Anonymous

      this is just me being curious but what was it about the WiiU that made you stop caring?

      • http://www.saisasylum.com/ Sai

        Many things. For one thing the controller looks ridiculous and cumbersome. I have very small hands and already I had found the Wii remote uncomfortable and the buttons difficult to reach (I ended up getting a smaller Nyko brand Wiimote when I still had my Wii), I don’t get how playing with a giant tablet is going to be any better. I also think trying to compete with the iPhone and iPad by replicating them is not a good way to go. 

        Another thing is you can only have one controller with the system. At least only the one tablet controller. Oh but you can use the $250 3DS as a second controller! Yeah, fuck you Nintendo. 
        It has the same specs as a 360, supposedly, but all the HD footage they showed was from PS3 and 360 games. By the time Sony and Microsoft release their systems in 2014 the WiiU will already be outdated.

        I also don’t see how it’s not going to be ungodly expensive, and trying to explain to casuals how the tablet and the 3DS can both integrate with the system isn’t going to be easy. This has the potential to kill Nintendo. 

        • Anonymous

          Well I can see how the size could be troublesome, I’ve heard many people say its really comfortable but it still might not be for you. and to me I dont think nintendo is trying to compete with apple with this though I can see the similarities with the technology what it will be used for probably wont be little apps

          and it does annoy me that only one  WiiU controller per system but where did it say that to have a second controller you need a 3DS, all I heard and read is that the 3DS can be used in conjunction with some wiiU games I dont think using a 3DS will be neciccary when we have seen that it works with the wii remote for extra controllers.and about the price, yes it looks like it would be expensive but so did the NGP or Vita looked really expensive and it turned out to be much cheaper than I thought it would beand I’m sure that nintendo would make integrating the 3DS with the WiiU simple, Nintendo are not stupid.

          • Anonymous

            Wahey I just noticed. Snowboard Kids avatar!

          • Anonymous

            :D I love that game, I still play it to this day

        • Anonymous

          Well I can see how the size could be troublesome, I’ve heard many people say its really comfortable but it still might not be for you. and to me I dont think nintendo is trying to compete with apple with this though I can see the similarities with the technology what it will be used for probably wont be little apps

          and it does annoy me that only one  WiiU controller per system but where did it say that to have a second controller you need a 3DS, all I heard and read is that the 3DS can be used in conjunction with some wiiU games I dont think using a 3DS will be neciccary when we have seen that it works with the wii remote for extra controllers.and about the price, yes it looks like it would be expensive but so did the NGP or Vita looked really expensive and it turned out to be much cheaper than I thought it would beand I’m sure that nintendo would make integrating the 3DS with the WiiU simple, Nintendo are not stupid.

        • Anonymous

          Are you a child? Well GREAT! Regardless of who you are Nintendo are most likely going to make a controller you can use well. From reports from the showfloor the controller is easy to use and light.

          This is nothing like the iPhone or iPad. It’s more like a DS. The app store is dead for game developers and it’s almost Atari videogame crash levels of bad.

          It’s not confirmed whether you’ll be able to use just one tablet, and even if it were true the potential is still there for amazing games both single player and local multiplayer.

          No, the rumours are that the specs are FAR better than the current consoles, which are all ancient and dirt cheap component wise now anyway. The reason that current console footage was shown is that the Wii U is still a long time away.

          Nintendo won’t release something that is ‘ungodly expensive’, they won’t pull a Sony.

          This will NEVER ‘kill’ Nintendo. Nintendo have always made a profit day one for all their machines, and they are so rich right now it wouldn’t matter anyway.

          • http://www.saisasylum.com/ Sai

            I’m a woman, we tend to have small hands, something the video game industry has been known to neglect in the past. And if my tiny hands have trouble with the Wiimote I don’t know how children actually handle the thing without straining their thumbs. I had to readjust a normal sized Wiimote in my hand constantly to reach the buttons, and between that and the motion controls I didn’t find it immersive at all, it just distracts your concentration from the game. 

            Oh come on, it’s shaped like an iPad and has a large touch screen you can use with your finger, this is obviously Ninty’s answer to “how will the game industry compete with iPhone games”, although personally I don’t think it even needs to as iPhone games are just 1 dollar time wasters. The best way the industry could compete would be to lower game prices.

            This generation isn’t really ancient feeling, it only keeps getting better. This is the first time we’ve had a console generation longer than 5 years, and that’s a GOOD thing. Companies can finally wring out every last bit of potential before we move on to the next. 

            But seriously stop being such a fanboy, company loyalty is a bad habit. I’ve been playing Nintendo games since the late 80′s but this is my honest opinion on things.

          • Anonymous

            I can happily admit to being a Nintendo fanboy, but what I don’t do is bring down other peoples enjoyment with such shallow reasoning. I will play all games, including all the ‘gritty’ PC games that Spoony is gagging for.

            I’m sure you have lovely hands, and Nintendo will want you to be able to play their new console. They are a Japanese company full of Japanese people who are smaller than Westerners.

            I really don’t see how you CAN’T use the Wiimote/Nunchuck properly, I’ve seen kids reach it perfectly well. I’d say that your case is a little unusual.

            Nintendo will never compete Apple, Iwata already basically said that market is a waste of time.

            This generation hasn’t been all that good in my opinion, tons of people who made inventive stuff in the past have gone out of business and now it’s either triple A or go home, games are samey like never before and it’s gritty shooters left and right (at least platformers had style back in the day). Games on the HD consoles are hardly ever even in proper 720p, never mind 1080p. Online gaming is everywhere and playing repetitive games with strangers bores me.

            The Wii has been dead for a long time because of how third parties rejected it, and seeing as Nintendo are like the only company that actually made any money this generation them stepping it up with the Wii U is perfect timing.

            Sony and Microsoft won’t be able to release something until 2014, and graphics aren’t getting any better because of how much it costs. You see Crysis? Yeah, that’s as good as it gets and the Wii U can run it. Seeing how much money Sony/MS lost this generation, can they afford to take another hit?

            When Nintendo does something wrong I’ll call them out for it.

            Did you know that there are at least 6 kickass Wii games that Nintendo of America won’t publish? Good games that the Japanese have had for years now?

            Games like Xenoblade (made by Monolith, creators of Xenosaga and Baten Kaitos) and The Last Story (made by Sakaguchi. the father of Final Fantasy), two JRPG’s that have garnered critical acclaim and decent sales. They are innovate, they are about as hardcore as it gets, JRPG’s are struggling this generation and yet we don’t have these games.

            Personally I want Reggie to explain his actions or resign because of that. For Nintendo in Japan however, they’re doing fantastic.

            Also, Xenoblade is at least confirmed for European release this September, and I will be enjoying it for the 100+ hours it lasts.

          • http://www.saisasylum.com/ Sai

            If my personal opinion on Nintendo’s direction is somehow affecting your enjoyment of their products I think that’s more on you than me. And if you are worried about my opinions affecting your enjoyment then what I say must hold water.

            You appear to have a disdain for any game that isn’t made by Nintendo. Despite Bethesda’s terrible habit of making their games very BROWN, I wouldn’t call Elder Scrolls “gritty” really. Deus Ex, maybe, but it’s more of a somber game about transhumanism. And besides nether of these are only on PC, they’re just games some people prefer to play on PC over consoles.

            If they want children and women to play their console why make a giant controller? I can’t imagine that holding that thing for over an hour would be at all comfortable. And although Iwata says competing with Apple is a waste of time they make this iPad-like controller. Mmmm.

            They’ve also already failed to compete with the current market as the WiiU has no online infrastructure, each game company that wants mutliplayer will have to provide their own. And that’s on top of running their servers. Do you realize what a giant mess this will become?

            I’m not denying that the game industry is becoming far too much like the movie industry, but I’ve played plenty of non-AAA games that sold fairly well and were different and enjoyable. Out of the ones I’ve played I can think of: Beautiful Katamari, Bayonetta, Civilization Revolution, Eternal Sonata, even Dragon Age: Origins was not overly hyped by the publisher and still did well.

            And just because a game is considered a AAA game doesn’t mean it isn’t good. Mass Effect? LA Noire? Assassin’s Creed?

            We don’t know that the WiiU can run anything yet because all the trailers they showed at E3 were taken from the PS3 and Xbox 360. All they showed from the WiiU itself was a pre-rendered video. They didn’t even show the console itself. Nintendo’s conference was all smoke and mirrors.

            Blame Japan’s perception of American tastes for that, though the truth of the matter is JRPGs don’t sell well anymore. Probably because they too are stagnant.

          • Anonymous

            I don’t really see how your opinion could have affected my enjoyment of games that I played years ago?  :P 

            I’m never affected by any opinion except my own, games are meant to be played not read about or watched. I don’t KNOW a game (and won’t make statements) unless I’ve played it thoroughly.

            Disdain? Not at all and I don’t know how you could have come to such a conclusion. I play games as they come and am an avid PC gamer.

            I enjoyed Fallout 3 a great deal, it fixed a lot of problems Bethesda games suffer from, namely ridiculous levels of randomly generated boring crap.

            Skyrim is looking fantastic so far, but it is SOOOO going for Gritty, you simply cannot deny that.

            I didn’t like Mass Effect much, the combat was shallow, the characters shallow and useless in combat, the story nothing special and the RPG (collecting and customizing stuff) elements were shallow. After you’ve played stuff like FF7 it just seemed silly to me how such a big game limited my options so much. The Mako also sucked.

            Assassin’s Creed was decent, a very fresh and ambituous concept that got samey really fast and didn’t have enough depth to offer a decent flow (like making assassinations at all interesting). I’ve not played the rest.

            I could go on (just personal opinions on the games you listed), but there’s no point. This generation has of course had great games, but I think the last two were better, even if they weren’t as pretty.

            This is Nintendo, they care more about user friendliness and basic fun than anybody else. There is not a SINGLE piece of coverage that has called out the Wii U controller as outright uncomfortable. As I said previously, it is FAR more like a DS (two screens…) than anything else.

            We don’t even know the first thing about what the Wii U’s online infrastructure will entail, it is entirely up in the air and all the rumours could mean is that every company has their own servers which is normal. As I said I don’t care about online gameplay but if it ends up lacking then it’s lacking.

            It sounds like the PC from what you described, and do you have any idea how good that could be :P .

            We don’t have specs, but everything else be it rumours of anecdotal evidence points to it being far more powerful, power than we really won’t even probably see much benefit from.

            Hardware that makes the HD consoles look like a joke is dirt cheap right now. Developers have come out and announced their games for the console, which they wouldn’t do if the development kits wouldn’t work for them. One of the developers working on Darksiders came out and called it the most powerful of the HD consoles.

            Simple logic dictates it’ll be strong enough to beat the current consoles, and won’t be outdated anytime soon because graphics have more or less peaked and become too expensive.

            The two tech demo’s that were shown (the bird one in the Japanese garden and the HD Zelda one) were completely real-time. They were interactive and that’s impossible with CG.

            Nintendo don’t do prerendered stuff, if anything they are too conservative and downplay everything.

            You could flip that statement around and say that WRPG’s are stagnant, they don’t even change the themes or gameplay styles much. Both Xenoblade and The Last Story are very original and you really ought to check them out and see some footage. I would link it but the comment system might block it.

            Xenoblade is being localized for release in Europe. So all that means is that Reggie is a lazy ass and won’t bring it over of his own accord.

          • http://www.saisasylum.com/ Sai

            I don’t really see Elder Scrolls as gritty, that’s just me. Basically with Bethesda the trade off for amazing sandbox gameplay and open worldedness is bad graphics and glitches. I’m hoping Skyrim won’t be so brown when it comes out but… there’s always mods.

            Well I love Mass Effect. The plot is a bit of a typical Space Opera but I like the characters, I like being Shepard (at least, the female Shepard, the male Shepard as an awful voice actor), I like the choose-your-own-adventure feel to things. Mass Effect 2 was alot better, the gameplay and inventory was streamlined, the writing was sharper and wittier, and it was just overall better. I don’t know what you mean by “collecting” things, the game doesn’t really have collectibles. Unless you count buying model ships and fish for Shepard’s quarters in ME2.

            Assassin’s Creed 2 makes Assassin’s Creed 1 look like a tech demo. It’s everything a good sequel SHOULD be. It’s so good I could never play AC1 again.

            There is a problem with games becoming expensive to make and so companies are taking fewer risks overall. Playstation 2 still has the largest library of varied, unique and downright weird games. You’d never see a game like Silent Hill 2 in this generation, and that’s a shame.

            “This is Nintendo, they care more about user friendliness and basic fun than anybody else. There is not a SINGLE piece of coverage that has called out the Wii U controller as outright uncomfortable.”

            But generally at E3 the press only gets about ten minutes each with the demos.

            “They were interactive and that’s impossible with CG.”

            I didn’t see anything to indicate that the bird footage was anything but a video. And companies have been caught showing pre-rendered footage even when they had someone on stage with a controller in their hands before.

            In my opinion WRPGs have just started to come into their own in recent years. Many JRPGs are still using turn-based fighting systems, which were only invented in the first place due to technical limitations and there’s absolutely no excuse for them now.

          • Anonymous

            So you don’t see the super brown, grimdark, bloody world of Skyrim as gritty? Whatever…

            I don’t want to have to install mods to get a good game experience, the Oblivion I played was flawed to well… oblivion and back.

            With Mass Effect I meant collecting as in weapons, armour and upgrades. Stuff that improves stats and gives me a sense that my character isn’t completely STAGNANT. The tiny amount of items, all of which amounted to nothing but texture reskins in the game is pathetic. Whereas Xenoblade has hundreds of items and all of them have unique 3D models.

            I’ve not had time to really get into Mass Effect 2 but it clearly went to the extreme and is basically a shooter with conversation and choose your own adventure elements, it has no actual ‘RPG gameplay’ or the depth that those kinds of games have. This is an improvement but it’s also chickening out.

            And judging by first impressions the Wii U controller feels great. What more do you need? How long does it take to tell if a controller doesn’t feel fun or not? I’ve never liked the Dual Shock and its analog sticks, and I noticed that instantly back on the PS1.

            The bird footage was real-time, it’s been reported that the camera could be moved around. The Zelda demo is even better, as you can change the lighting, camera position and screen setting all in real-time.

            No, WRPG’s if anything have just become more mainstream as they’ve moved to consoles and lost their depth in the process. Mass Effect started off as a subpar WRPG, and then turned into a conversational shooter. Mass Effect 3 literally looks like Gears of War if you just went by the E3 demo.

            The JRPG’s I mentioned are NOT turned based at all ¬_¬ . The only turn based RPG games you’ll find these days are relegated to handhelds. I have no problem with turn based simply because… like chess, there can be so much strategy involved. So you’re wrong, there is a valid excuse.

            And yes, this generation has been a real problem for the sheer lack of innovation overall.

          • http://www.saisasylum.com/ Sai

            Yeah having things like the Adoring Fan following you around and a troll lady who wanted to be a knight in Oblivion was real grimdark. As epic and badass as the marketing spin is I’m going to guess Skyrim is also going to to contain beauty and humor.

            Well getting new weapons isn’t the same as collectibles. And you want to talk stagnant? Don’t you get the same exact weapons in every Zelda game? In nearly the same order?

            Besides, if you want to enjoy Mass Effect for the gun variety and not the plot or branching dialog system or gameplay in general it’s probably not for you in the first place. You were just bitching about shooters, but now visual gun variety is important?

            Um, Mass Effect has always been a third person shooter with RPG elements. You still do level up, gain new powers, and play a role. RPG is becoming less of a genre and more of a game feature these days, nearly every game has some element of RPGs in them now. Shouldn’t that be a good thing?

            I need alot to convince me to buy systems in the first place, I’ll need alot more to convince me an iPad controller is worth my time and money.

            How does ME3 look anything like Gears, pray tell?

          • Anonymous

            Oblivion looked like typical colourful fantasy fare, and looked wierd too in regards to characters.

            Skyrim is trying to be gritty, it’s impossible not to notice.

            When did I say I don’t like shooters? I love shooters. What I don’t love is poor games and the complete saturation of samey shooters. Would you care to stop trying to read between the lines?

            Even if I’m getting the same item in Zelda, THAT gameplay gets a healthy dose of variety before I get the next item. Not to mention I got a ton of items in TP that I never saw coming, and they offered incredible gameplay no matter how brief. The spinner? It’s use in puzzles? Use in the boss fight? THAT is gameplay. Zelda keeps up the pace and new content all the way through.

            Mass Effect was LITERALLY same crappy gun, different texture. Not too many textures either. It was an exercise in repetition. The ‘RPG gameplay’ sucked and all that was left was weak combat.

            And no, RPG’s disappearing is NOT good, they have a huge legacy that is being streamlined out of memory.

            Good for you, I haven’t bought a 3DS yet because the lineup has been weak so far. I’ll be getting one eventually for the great games. That’s how it should be.

            Did you SEE the EA conference E3 demo? The one with shooting, on-rails shooting, taking cover and shooting. What they showed looked exactly like Gears.

          • http://www.saisasylum.com/ Sai

            Oblivion was colorful? Maybe after extensive modding but the vanilla game is brown brown brown.

            Also Zelda could be considered “typical colorful fantasy fare” as well, what does that even mean?

            The spinner was only good in that one temple and for finding a few secrets. You’re really happy getting a sword, a latern, a bow, a boomarang, and hookshot etc. in that order every single game?

            Again Mass Effect isn’t really about gun variety and if you think it is you must be playing it very wrong. It’s about character and story primarily. Although ME1 did give you upgrades and add-ons and ammo types for your guns. ME2 has these upgrades be squad-wide which is much more convenient.

            How can there be RPGs anymore with every game genre integrating RPG elements? That’s just the way it’s going, any art or medium needs to continue to evolve. You’re saying motion controllers are innovations but you don’t want the software itself to innovate?

            Frankly I’d be happy if every game had some element of RPGs.

            What the hell part of ME3 was on rails? Are you high?

          • Anonymous

            Oblivion has a typical western high fantasy look to it, you know… the whole idealized and colourful medieval setting. The second you come out of the sewer you’re greeted with a sea of very green grass, very blue water, very white buildings etc… If Oblivion is anything, it is not brown.

            Skyrim is brown, and trying to be Lord of the Rings movie style gritty.

            I actually think Ocarina of Time has this as well, and it’s part of the reason I prefer the other 3D Zelda games, they’re just far more original visually starting with Majora’s Mask (which was very much a twisted fantasy with it’s use of strong colours like red all over the place, moody atmosphere and clockwork aesthetic in the town)

            I don’t care about mods, I want the intended experience.

            That’s like saying am I happy to get a pistol and shotgun in every FPS I play. The answer is yes.

            Now am I happy to JUST get a boomerang or a hookshot? No, of course not, and that has NEVER happened. I got items (and old items with new abilities) I didn’t expect in Twilight Princess (magnetic boots, twin hookshot, spinner, statue wand etc) which had such amazing and original gameplay I didn’t CARE if I never used them again. There was ALWAYS something new for the whole length of the game.

            Look at Skyward Sword, look at how many new items the game ALREADY has (flying beetle, whip). Why the hell should I be worried?

            How can I play Mass Effect wrong? I beat the game on normal difficulty and the ridiculous difficulty spikes barely phased me because after 1 hour all I did was…

            Equip the strongest pistol + Use shield power + Deadly pistol aim thing power + Shoot loads and then run away

            My squadmates were nothing more than meat shields.

            There was no depth to the games combat (and it’s MOSTLY combat), a couple different barely noticeable ammo types and suit add-ons is nothing compared to what RPG’s (which is what this claimed to be) have done in the past.

            It’s not my fault it was boring.

            Games becoming deeper by integrating RPG elements is a GREAT thing, but frankly this is barely happening. What is MAINLY happening is that the RPG genre itself is getting dumbed down to hell and back in both the East and West. Mass Effect started off trying to be a cool RPG and now it’s a shooter with talking.

            Once again, did you even SEE the E3 demo? Even Spoony talked about the on-rail turret shooting section. The demo was more similar to Gears than a methodical RPG. Seriously, pay attention to what you’re trying to defend :P .

          • Anonymous

            Oblivion has a typical western high fantasy look to it, you know… the whole idealized and colourful medieval setting. The second you come out of the sewer you’re greeted with a sea of very green grass, very blue water, very white buildings etc… If Oblivion is anything, it is not brown.

            Skyrim is brown, and trying to be Lord of the Rings movie style gritty.

            I actually think Ocarina of Time has this as well, and it’s part of the reason I prefer the other 3D Zelda games, they’re just far more original visually starting with Majora’s Mask (which was very much a twisted fantasy with it’s use of strong colours like red all over the place, moody atmosphere and clockwork aesthetic in the town)

            I don’t care about mods, I want the intended experience.

            That’s like saying am I happy to get a pistol and shotgun in every FPS I play. The answer is yes.

            Now am I happy to JUST get a boomerang or a hookshot? No, of course not, and that has NEVER happened. I got items (and old items with new abilities) I didn’t expect in Twilight Princess (magnetic boots, twin hookshot, spinner, statue wand etc) which had such amazing and original gameplay I didn’t CARE if I never used them again. There was ALWAYS something new for the whole length of the game.

            Look at Skyward Sword, look at how many new items the game ALREADY has (flying beetle, whip). Why the hell should I be worried?

            How can I play Mass Effect wrong? I beat the game on normal difficulty and the ridiculous difficulty spikes barely phased me because after 1 hour all I did was…

            Equip the strongest pistol + Use shield power + Deadly pistol aim thing power + Shoot loads and then run away

            My squadmates were nothing more than meat shields.

            There was no depth to the games combat (and it’s MOSTLY combat), a couple different barely noticeable ammo types and suit add-ons is nothing compared to what RPG’s (which is what this claimed to be) have done in the past.

            It’s not my fault it was boring.

            Games becoming deeper by integrating RPG elements is a GREAT thing, but frankly this is barely happening. What is MAINLY happening is that the RPG genre itself is getting dumbed down to hell and back in both the East and West. Mass Effect started off trying to be a cool RPG and now it’s a shooter with talking.

            Once again, did you even SEE the E3 demo? Even Spoony talked about the on-rail turret shooting section. The demo was more similar to Gears than a methodical RPG. Seriously, pay attention to what you’re trying to defend :P .

          • http://www.saisasylum.com/ Sai

            Oblivion was colorful? Maybe after extensive modding but the vanilla game is brown brown brown.

            Also Zelda could be considered “typical colorful fantasy fare” as well, what does that even mean?

            The spinner was only good in that one temple and for finding a few secrets. You’re really happy getting a sword, a latern, a bow, a boomarang, and hookshot etc. in that order every single game?

            Again Mass Effect isn’t really about gun variety and if you think it is you must be playing it very wrong. It’s about character and story primarily. Although ME1 did give you upgrades and add-ons and ammo types for your guns. ME2 has these upgrades be squad-wide which is much more convenient.

            How can there be RPGs anymore with every game genre integrating RPG elements? That’s just the way it’s going, any art or medium needs to continue to evolve. You’re saying motion controllers are innovations but you don’t want the software itself to innovate?

            Frankly I’d be happy if every game had some element of RPGs.

            What the hell part of ME3 was on rails? Are you high?

      • http://www.saisasylum.com/ Sai

        Many things. For one thing the controller looks ridiculous and cumbersome. I have very small hands and already I had found the Wii remote uncomfortable and the buttons difficult to reach (I ended up getting a smaller Nyko brand Wiimote when I still had my Wii), I don’t get how playing with a giant tablet is going to be any better. I also think trying to compete with the iPhone and iPad by replicating them is not a good way to go. 

        Another thing is you can only have one controller with the system. At least only the one tablet controller. Oh but you can use the $250 3DS as a second controller! Yeah, fuck you Nintendo. 
        It has the same specs as a 360, supposedly, but all the HD footage they showed was from PS3 and 360 games. By the time Sony and Microsoft release their systems in 2014 the WiiU will already be outdated.

        I also don’t see how it’s not going to be ungodly expensive, and trying to explain to casuals how the tablet and the 3DS can both integrate with the system isn’t going to be easy. This has the potential to kill Nintendo. 

    • Anonymous

      Endless Ocean is a first party game, get your facts right.

      Mario Galaxy was more of a throwback to 2D Mario than 3D Mario as the levels were much more linear as opposed to a sandbox, Mario Galaxy 2 takes it to an even greater extreme with proper sidescrolling levels.

      And the plot of Twilight Princess wasn’t all over the place, and it’s better written than the majority of games out there.

      Good luck playing like you have a real sword on the N64.

      • http://www.saisasylum.com/ Sai

        Endless Ocean was published by Nintendo but developed by an outside studio called Akira. It’s not an in-house Nintendo game which I think is what everyone means when they say “Nintendo game”.

        How was Galaxy a throwback to the 2D Marios? It played exactly like Mario 64 and had so many elements of it. You had huge levels with multiple paths to collect multiple stars. 

        Bullshit. The plot of Twilight Princess was terrible. The whole wolf thing made no sense and I swear was only in the game because Okami was coming out around the same time. What motivation did the ogres have to come kidnap the children other than a reason to get you out of your village, even though you were already going to leave to go to Hyrule castle anyway? How were the ogres siding with Ganon if he was sealed in the Twilight Realm? Why were there so many superfluous characters? Where the hell was Zelda the entire time? She just reappears at the end of the game. 

        And swinging a Wiimote around never gave me the feeling of a “real sword”. I can feel like I’m a sword-wielding hero with the use of a little thing called imagination. 

        • Anonymous

          Endless Ocean is a first party game, it was paid for with Nintendo dollars. If we start bringing the ‘second party’ label into this then NOBODY aside from Nintendo has any real first party content. The term ‘second party’ is pointlessly specific and means nothing because obviously it’s a game Nintendo had made. It’s a Nintendo game.

          Same with Smash Bros Brawl, it wasn’t developed in-house by Nintendo at all, is that not a ‘Nintendo’ game now?

          Mario 64 and Mario Sunshine had a sandbox design, they gave you freedom to reach the star/shine more or less how you wanted. Mario Galaxy is almost entirely linear, there is only one way to get a star and in most cases you can’t even backtrack through a level.

          Every game has plot inconsistencies (Bioshock has a million of them), at least Zelda has the balls to just say ‘it’s magic!’.

          The wolf transformation was a safety measure, people cannot exist in the Twilight realm and Links Triforce allowed him to change. Link is represented as a wolf.

          You do know that Twilight Princess was unveiled in 2004 right? And the wolf was shown in 2005 way before Okami was released? So the answer is no, Nintendo would not copy a game that was essentially copying their own game. That and Zelda is no stanger to transformations.

          Why kidnap the children? Why not? They are evil marauding bandits that steal things and mess up things. Using kidnapping as a motivation for the hero is a powerful plot device.

          Superfluous characters? What so we can’t have side characters now? Does it matter considering how developed Midna actually was?

          The ogre said himself that he sided with the strongest side, so that would have been Zant and later Ganondorf.

          Did you even play the game? Zelda was basically dead until the very end, she gave her life force to Midna early on.

          Imagination? :P

          Why don’t you just imagine your own console? You’ll never have problems ever again.

          Yeah, I’ll stick with my groundbreaking, realistic, super fun and intelligent gameplay thanks.

          Skyward Sword is what the Wii was made for.

          • http://www.saisasylum.com/ Sai

            Nintendo’s problem is they’re known as concentrating mostly on developing games for their own console and having little third party support. So there’s more expectation out of them for original games than Microsoft or Sony or big publishers like EA who own many strong developers.

            Brawl is pretty different than your normal Nintendo fair despite having Nintendo characters in it. Hell, Sakura’s updated designs inspired the new Kid Icarus game.

            Galaxy had branching paths, and even when you flew away on stars there was usually one that would bring you back too. At least that’s what I found while playing it. I’m surprised you haven’t brought up New Super Mario Bros. as a “throwback” since it’s basically a remake of Mario 3.

            I’ve never said other games don’t have plotholes, and I totally call THEM out on it too. I have a huge problem with the plot twist in Bioshock, for example, and how it makes no sense, and how it robs the game of atmosphere, and how it was so bad it almost made me stop playing. You can’t hand-wave the problems in Twilight Princess by bringing up other games.

            By WHY a wolf? Why did he need to change at all? There was some crap about a prophecy that was never explained but it just seemed to me the story bent over backwards and twisted itself around to justify the wolf thing. And being forced to be the wolf while doing fetch quests was miserable. 

            But we never see the ogres kidnap anyone else. We never see them attack any other towns. They have no motivation for taking those two kids. What were they even doing with them? Why not kill them outright? Why keep them? They weren’t holding them for ransom or anything. Again it would be fine as just a way to motivate Link to leave the village, but he was ALREADY leaving to go to Hyrule, so it’s just pointless to me. It’s like they shoehorned in all these characters to give the game plot some heart but they had no role in the story, it was just meandering. 

            Midna was a main character so clearly not superfluous, but her storyline had very little pay off and didn’t even seem to be the focus. They missed a huge opportunity with the Twilight world, it could have been a whole other map or village but instead it was just a glorified puzzle room. And shoving Ganon into the story when he didn’t really need to be there also felt wasteful and like they were just adhering to formula. 

            But even if the ogres were siding with Zant they had no idea who Ganon even was. They never give any indication that Zant was starting this cult around Ganondorf or that he even told anyone about it, we never see him actually interact or speak to the ogres. Again missed opportunities and bad writing. 

            Yeah I get that Zelda disappeared because she gave her life force to Midna but what made her reappear exactly? She’s just there. Also a big wasted opportunity, since Twilight Princess was clearly an homage/spiritual successor to Ocarina of Time they could have had her be Sheik that entire time. You have those three idiots who are the Hyrule underground resistance or whatever, but all they do is tell you where to go next. Sheik could have easily filled that role and it would have given Zelda a bigger place in the story. 

          • Anonymous

            Peoples expectations of Nintendo are broken beyond reason. They’ll lap up a new Assassin’s Creed which is in it’s 4th game THIS generation (which is ridiculous), and yet when a Zelda comes after 5 years it’ll be written off despite its innovation and openly hated when everyone loves it.

            I call these people sad. Nintendo should ignore them because there is no pleasing them. If Nintendo dropped everything and started making shooters I’d be pissed off because that’s not who they are.

            Brawl evolved plenty considering fighting games hardly ever innovate, but that doesn’t change the fact that it’s going off the Melee template which was made by teams wholly owned by Nintendo at the time. If Nintendo funds a game no matter where it’s from, then it represents Nintendo.

            Galaxy did indeed have branching paths, but Mario 64 and Sunshine had SANDBOXES. You could literally go from end to end and explore with no limitations. Galaxy is far more linear than the previous games which is why I don’t like it as much (even though it’s still amazing).

            Yes, NSMB is a MUCH bigger throwback.

            I’m definitely not going to handwave the problems away, but I’ve yet to see any actual problems that can’t be easily explained, or anything resembling a big plot hole. Even then, Zelda is a game with magic in it, you just have to accept some things.

            The wolf is a magical element, you just have to accept that the Triforce offers its wielders the power to transform to protect them. Ganondorf is always shown up as a boar (greedy pig), and Link is a Wolf (proud, lonely, courageous and stuff).

            The whole point of kids being kidnapped is that it’s offers a strong dramatic kick in the ass to the storyline, it gives Link and the player all the motivation they need to start the quest (especially after the slow opening when you get to know them). This is why Zelda games have used kidnapping to start the journey off in a few games. This is FAR more interesting than a simple horse ride to Hyrule to deliver some crap, and far more ambiguous.

            Killing kids in a Zelda game? Would you honestly want that? How would you feel about that if you were a kid playing the game like you probably were once?

            The Bulblins took Ilia away to their stonghold because they are doubebags, and they just dumped the dead weight kids. In a much, much, MUCH darker game it might involve something sinister and I doubt you would want that in Zelda.

            They are bad dudes who pillage stuff, what more do you need?

            Ganondorf was not wedged in, in fact I’d say his inclusion is damn good. With Link, Ganondorf and Zelda, these are 3 people who have never met, who are now thrown together because of destiny and the pieces of the Triforce that have chosen them. That is quite poetic I dare say, especially considering Twilight Princess meant as a homage.

            Zant was a POORLY WRITTEN bad guy, he had no personality to him, no motivations, no real struggles or anything. When he lost his mind and showed himself up for the coward he was it made Ganondorf look even stronger. Zant is a great bad guy because he has actual depth now, and his battle was trippy as hell.

            It’s not bad writing, it’s only BAD when it makes no sense (like in Bioshock, the fact that you’re playing as a 3 year old, the fact that Ryan wants you to kill him or the fact that Ryan even dies when a Vita chamber is right there which the story says he can use). There is no reason to believe that Bulblins weren’t working with Zant and later Ganondorf, as Ganondorf has commanded monsters in the other games. The only motivation you need is that they are bad, and they work for the strongest bad guy. That makes sense and is ALL that is needed.

            Well Zelda is basically a lifeless corpse throughout most of the game. Ganon stuck her on the wall like a trophy.

            Well you see now with Sheik you’re asking for a COMPLETELY different story, but the one we got was still great, even if it wasn’t Majora’s Mask levels of artistic brilliance.

            Twilight Princess was a game that took me like 60+ hours to beat, 60+ hours of original and constantly varied content (none of this randomly generated crap). That was enough for me to love it regardless of what I thought could have made it better and I’ve yet to see a game that’s actually BIGGER content-wise.

            Like I said, Zelda makes other games look like crap.

          • http://www.saisasylum.com/ Sai

            Here’s the difference: Assassin’s Creed has a coherent, continuing story. Each Zelda is basically a remake of the last Zeldas.

            Now granted it’s bullshitty that they don’t just make AC3 already and I had VERY strong reservations about Brotherhood up until I actually played it (despite being more compact and being basically a sequel to 2 it had alot of new gameplay features, better writing and a very interesting story.) And I have just as strong reservations about Revelations.

            I’m not asking Nintendo to make shooters, I’m asking them to make better games. And perhaps come out with some new intellectual properties. See this is why you’re a fanboy, you automatically categorize everyone who doesn’t agree with you into a typical bro-gamer. I’m not even into shooters, at least not military shooters (which is what most people mean when they say shooter or fps these days.) Bioshock and Portal were interesting enough on their own for me to put up with first-person which I also generally don’t like.

            Mario 64 wasn’t a Sandbox game. It had clearly outlined levels. A Sandbox game is when you have one huge open map.

            As for TP…

            Um one thing, ZELDA didn’t turn into an animal in the Twilight Zone. Where’s the consistency? Again the wolf thing was clumsily justified to be there when the game would have been better without it.

            “This is FAR more interesting than a simple horse ride to Hyrule to deliver some crap, and far more ambiguous.”

            I think you missed where I said this would have been fine as a motivation for Link to leave the village, however it should have been one or the other.

            If the kids were dead weight why the hell kidnap them in the first place? Again I’m not seeing their motivation here. If it’s just “well they kidnap kids cause they’re EVVVIIILLL” then that’s pretty shallow and cliche.

            Ganon WAS wedged in. They already had an established villain for the entire game and then switch him out for Ganon at the very end because derp de derp can’t have a Zelda game without Ganon as the villain! That would break formula. The only thing badly written about Zant was how his entire personality changed when he took his helmet off. Suddenly he’s a spaz and bounces all over the place. Kinda the some cognitive dissonance as Zelda suddenly losing all her fighting competence once she’s in a dress again in Ocarina.

            And having this thing where Zant was starting a cult around Ganon WOULD have been interesting and WOULD have been a good way to bring him into the story, except that it’s never established. You never see Zant interact with the ogres, or Bublins, or whatever and they just suddenly imply they’re following him. But why? When did Zant contact them? Did he tell them to go kidnap random kids? You can’t just throw in a plot point with no context like that, that IS bad writing.

          • Anonymous

            Assassin’s Creed had consistency?

            You mean the game that literally just chucks in magic and possibly aliens/time machines at the end?

            So explain why…

            Altair is frozen by his master’s magic, when his master said that all the piece of eden did is create illusions? how can the illusions kills me if they’re illusions? How can this thing even work?

            Why is Desmond able to just gain Altair’s eagle vision at the end? Why is the eagle vision NOTHING like the one Altair uses.

            Why does the lady (Lisa I think) have all of her fingers one minute and lose one of them in a particular cut-scene?

            Why can Altair talk to people he just stabbed in the throat?

            Why does Acre try to be like a Medieval London?

            Why are the guards so uptight?

            I could go on, the fiction was interesting but maybe a little too ambitious.

            It’s bullshitty that they are already on their 4th game, not even NES games went that far with the sameyness. AC was once fresh and isn’t anymore, and the one pervasive theme is that the next game needs to have even less stealth. Flame throwers against ships? What? STEALTH!

            You should be able to guess at what I’m talking about when I mention shooters, I’m talking about violent, gritty ‘mature’ games (which are likely very childish anyway), the kind of stuff that impressed the dudebro crowd. I don’t need Nintendo to stop what they’re doing and make these, as the industry would be far worse off. I can get these games anywhere, whereas I can only get Mario/Zelda and more from Nintendo.

            It’s hard to make better games when the games you make consistently walk away with the highest ratings around. If you’ve grown out of good games/Nintendo then don’t play them, just don’t pretend you know what they need to do to succeed and become ‘better’.

            The levels in Mario 64 are sandbox levels, in the sense that you can freely run around without restrictions, I didn’t say it was a sandbox game. The design is completely different, anyone can see that.

            Calling each Zelda a REMAKE of the last is a terrible choice of words ¬_¬

            Each Zelda title is a REBOOT, as in a fresh slate whilst keeping all of the gameplay and fiction available for a cameo.

            Zelda NEVER made any claims to continuity until recently, and Skyward Sword’s story is meant to focus the story on the beginning of the Zelda storyline, and looks VERY promising.

            For example, you know how the Hylian shield as a bird design on it? Well that’s a representation of the sacred birds in Skyward Sword. That’s a good start.

            I have no idea why Zelda didn’t transform, maybe she used her magic? Maybe she was cloaking herself from its effects. It’s not a major plot point, and she basically dies very early on in the story in any case.

            Links transformation either way was explained, and I rather liked it. As I said Zelda is the king of variety. I liked the twisted view of the world it offered and the aesthetic.

            Why should it have been one or the other? The whole point is that the shit hit the fan and Links plans had all be shattered. Were you REALLY so desperate to see Hyrule Castle so early? I prefer the build up, the whole seeing a twisted Hyrule Castle covered in Twilight as it slowly sinks in that’s where you are at the start of the game.

            The kidnappings don’t need to be explained. The fact is that they are bad guy monsters, maybe they were going to eat them who knows? All that matters is that the motivation was there, and the kids eventually escaped. Bad guys kidnap people, this also happens in real life in case you were wondering.

            Zelda lost her fighting ability? Tell me, when did we actually SEE her fighting ability in OOT? All that was told to us was that she changed her identity and is very stealthy, the claims that she kicks ass are only true in Smash Bros. She hid from Ganondorf for a reason, mainly because he’s all powerful.

            No, Zant was a boring villain. He had literally nothing except that he’s a 2 dimensional magical Twilight Wizard dude. Midna made it VERY clear that he was an imposter, he stole her leadership. This is called FORESHADOWING. Then when it all comes to light, we see Zant for the child he is and Ganonodorf is shown to be more theatening and manipulative than ever. This is called GOOD writing, THIS is how you build up bad guys to make them seem threatening.

          • http://www.saisasylum.com/ Sai

            I said coherent, not consistent. The Dan Brown conspiracy theory nonsense has always been in the future story of Assassin’s Creed, and it is the weaker one. They’re not aliens, just an advanced race that came before humans.

            Really the future story just should have stayed a vehicle to explain time skips and your health bar, the real story is in the past with the historical figures and conflicts.

            Desmond has Eagle Eye because he’s the descendant of Assassin’s who are descendants of cross breeding between the race before humans and humans and… yeah I know it’s stupid. The point is Eagle Eye is hereditary. He can also learn things from the Bleeding Effect, evidently, which is the same side effect of Animus use that drove Subject 16 insane.

            Lucy was hiding one of her fingers, it’s like the signal of the Assassin’s. People can bend their figures you know. That’s like saying someone who throws up devil horns is missing fingers.

            The point is, the plot at least moves forward. Zelda is the same plot every game. Remake, reboot, same damn difference. They’ve been rebooting the same game for 25 years, don’t you think it’s time to move on? Or at least do something different with the property?

            The point is, from a story telling perspective, why set up one reason to Link to go, and then set up another one? There’s no reason for the red herring of “deliver this to Hyrule.” But frankly yeah, having Link gear up, travel to Hyrule only to find that the castle is encased in darkness would have been much more enjoyable than fucking around the village for a while, kidnapped kids, getting turned into a wolf, then having to do fetch quests as the wolf.

            And again going around as a wolf banishing areas of darkness and bringing back nature is just. like. Okami. I swear this is the only reason they put any of that crap in.

            Bad guys usually kidnap people for a reason in real life. Blackmail, ransom, interrogation, serial killing etc. I just don’t see how kidnapping the kids benefited the ogres in any way.

            Oh come on Zelda is extremely acrobatic as Sheik and carries a knife, she gets through to all these dangerous temples that Link goes to. But as soon as she puts a dress on she’s immediately kidnapped and can only gasp in fright while you’re fighting Ganon.

            Nothing about Ganon being Zant’s “god” was foreshadowed. Ganon’s mentioned at the beginning, briefly, and Zant is set up as the central villain for most of the game. Then all of a sudden he’s squealing and bouncing off the walls and Ganon moves in to be the villain in the last 20 minutes or so. Now they COULD have set this up in a way where it wasn’t so jarring and didn’t feel like such a cop-out, but they didn’t.

          • Anonymous

            The historical part makes no sense either. If the master was evil all along (it was obvious…), then why allow any sort of union to occur between Saladin and King Richard against the assassin’s?

            Why is Altair so special? (not explained in the game) Why can’t he be controlled by magic? Why can’t he break the piece of eden at the end? Why did the map show up for no reason?

            Why the magic? It was randomly chucked in.

            The eagle eye in the game worked nothing like how Desmond used it.

            The in-game model of Lucy has all her fingers intact.

            The plot moves on does it? I think it could be argued that it’s just getting DRAGGED out. That is not progression. Things need to happen in a story.

            4 games in one generation, and barely any big innovation or change in direction to be had. Well aside from the less stealth than before part.

            It really is quite sad how your argument devolved to basically Spoony’s rant about how it’s ‘all the same’ when a simple Youtube video could prove you wrong.

            Majora’s Mask is the same as Wind Waker? RIIIIIIIIIGGHT.

            Zelda 1 the same as Zelda 2? They are the same as the Link to the Past? You serious?

            So OOT didn’t change gaming forever with the lock-on? It was just the same.

            The cooperative gameplay in Four Swords was nothing new…

            Why am I even bothering? You’re making ridiculous blanket statements.

            People get kidnapped because those responsible are sick (Californian
            girl kidnapped for 18 years with no motive), and there is also slavery.
            These bad guys are actual monsters, so take your pick. You’re just being petty and nothing more.

            And again, the Twilight Princess trailers showed the Twilight realm AND wolf Link before Okami came out. The game WOULD have come out earlier but it was held back. In game development, it is IMPOSSIBLE to change a game (nevermind a huge ass Zelda game) to that level in such a short time frame.

            And Okami is an example of terrible writing. You don’t even have any motivation until 20 hours in when the Saki girl gets kidnapped. It’s literally 20 hours of go here, go there, oh look a tree. The game has two false endings and neither is hinted at in any way.

            Zant being an imposter and a weakling was GREATLY foreshadowed, in a cut-scene that everyone watched. Zant had nothing going for him before, and they injected story into him. It’s not Nintendo’s fault you don’t take and you can’t handle a plot twist. Plot twists are an example of GOOD writing assuming they are actually set up as they were in Twilight Princess.

            Again, there is NOTHING telling us that Zelda/Sheik has any real power. She used basic magic to disguise herself, and she uses ninja tactics. So what if she has a knife? Ganondorf throws freaking death balls and he’s the king of evil, there is NO comparison.

          • http://www.saisasylum.com/ Sai

            Because the master’s only concern was for himself. He basically sent Altair out to eliminate his rivals in finding the piece of Eden under the guise of justice and what.

            Altair decided to hide the piece of Eden rather than use it because he saw what it could do. It’s pretty saccharine but it’s an explanation. In the codexes he does write that he was tempted to use it and it’s call was growing stronger as he aged, but hopefully we get to actually SEE that in Revelations. I’m always against adding plot points in with text dumps.

            I believe it was Arthur C. Clarke that said “Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.”

            Besides which most of the pre-human race’s tech is clearly to do with holograms. The boss battle at the end of AC1 was pretty goofy, luckily they’ve toned that sort of thing down now.

            Again Lucy bent one finger as a signal of the Assassins, why is that so hard to understand?

            I also don’t remember what was so different about Desmond’s Eagle Eye. Altair could also use it to see faint markings if that’s what you mean.

            Brotherhood had the best plot yet, and their interpretation of the Borgias, and especially how Rodrigo Borgia/Pope Alexander VI died was particularly interesting. Sometimes people don’t seem to understand how many of the characters you interact with in AC are historical figures. It was also the first time I could actually take the future story somewhat seriously, although it was still pretty weak.

            I love how people keep bringing up Majora’s Mask as it was the only one to drastically change up the formula and incidentally is my favorite over even OoT. No Ganon. No Zelda even. The story was dark and strange and wonderful. And yet no other Zelda game has ever gone that far. Just because Windwaker stars cel-shaded big-headed cartoons doesn’t mean the formula isn’t the same.

            Don’t most people consider Four Swords to be a spinoff and not a Zelda proper? Even Four Swords eventually had to throw Ganon in.

            I’m not being petty. Actions in a story need to have motivation otherwise they’re just pointless. It’s not established that Zant told them to go kidnap kids, or even those two kids in general. It’s not established how kidnapping them even benefited these characters. It was just a cheap way to get Link out of the village, which again would be fine if they hadn’t previously established that he was ALREADY leaving. They were just trying to get you to care about these superfluous characters who had no real role in the story other than to just be there and fill up space.

            Why was Link living with a bunch of humans anyway? Did no one really notice he was Hylian? No one even mentions it. Or are Link and Zelda just metaphorical, are we actually following different people every time that those two are just a stand-in for? …Nah. Nintendo’s not clever enough for that.

            Okami got a bit bloated with the time travel plot, that part could have done without, however it’s a compelling game that focuses on exploration. I don’t know why it took you 20 hours to get to the fight with Orochi (I’m assuming you’re talking about when the sake brewer Nami gets chosen as a sacrifice) but that’s only the middle of the game. However what it does better than Twilight Princess is actually flesh out it’s many characters.

            We knew Zant had usurped Midna, why does that foreshadow that Ganon was his god? It wasn’t a plot twist, it was an “oh shit we can’t have a Zelda game without Ganon.” Like I said, I’d have less of a problem with it if they’d built up Ganon more. Maybe if Zant was going around converting ogres and even Hylians to his cult, he wouldn’t even have to say Ganon’s name. So you have all this time with Zant talking about his “god” and THEN you find out it’s Ganon. THAT would have been a plot twist. Instead none of this is even established until the boss battle and then Zant is just shoved aside for Ganon. Also if Zant was really such a spaz all along how did he act so calm and organized before? It’s not like Ganon was possessing him, he knew who Midna was. His motivation was how his people were trapped in the Twilight Realm.

            You know by that logic you could say “Link is just a guy with a sword, Ganondorf throws freaking death balls and he’s the king of evil, there is NO comparison.”

            Every indication was Sheik was capable of fighting. You’d have to fight to get to all these temples. I just hate how Zelda becomes incompetent and a frightened damsel as soon as she’s Zelda again.

          • Anonymous

            The master makes entirely no sense, even though it was obvious he was a going to be a bad guy.

            How was he going to handle two armies at once? Was he going to control them? If he couldn’t handle Altair how was he going to handle them? How did he know he could?

            Why is Altair so special?

            Why can he not be controlled?

            If the illusions didn’t work, then how could he have been paralysed by the master when they were talking?

            Why did the illusions hurt?

            It doesn’t matter where this magic came from, it still is completely unexplained in the game.

            Altair’s eagle eye didn’t show symbols, it only highlighted people and their roles.

            In the first person viewpoint, Lucy still has all her fingers intact and you just raise MORE questions that were never answered.

            Why did Lucy hide her identity as an assassin?

            Why is she help the experiment take place? Why not sabotage it outright if it saves the world?

            Is her backstory that was given before a complete lie?

            I have only properly played the first game and know its story, so I can only go on that.

            Judging the first game, the story is a confused, unfinished mess with a whole combo of cliffhangers.

            I may play the later games at some point, but I got tired of AC1 after the 4th assassination, after that I pretty much just had to force my way through the game. I’m not dying to play another one anytime soon, especially with the sheer lack of innovation.

            People bring up Majora’s Mask because it’s an amazing Zelda game. It still has the same dungeon design (the formula as you put it) as the others, but it differentiates itself so much it feels fresh.

            Wind Waker is the same way, it gave you a whole damn ocean to explore using streaming technology, and the art style and it’s unmatched use of cel shading made it feel like a cartoon. These things were groundbreaking when the game came out.

            Twilight Princess was the only game that wasn’t designed to break any new ground.

            Four Swords was a very innovative top down Zelda game, who cares whether it was a spin off or not?

            You can’t talk about innovation when you talk up Assassin’s Creed and ATTEMPT to bring down Zelda.

            Do you know how many Assassin’s Creed games there are now with Revelations?

            5 (including the PSP game which is in the same style)

            And do you know how many 3D Zelda games have been released now with Skyward Sword?

            5

            In less than the time it takes for a single Zelda in Skyward Sword to come out, we’ve had a whole franchise in Assassin’s Creed match the same number of games, with not a lick of innovation in sight.

            The only respectable differentiation in Assassin’s Creed was the multiplayer, which NOBODY plays.

            That is unacceptable, and if you don’t think so you’re a hypocrite.

            Yes, Okami only bothered to give the player some MOTIVATION about 20 hours in when the saki girl was kidnapped by Orochi. That is not how you write a story.

            Okami was a good game but nowhere near Zelda quality for me. It was poorly written, ridiculously repetitive combat wise (fight the same monsters and bosses a million times? Lovely), the brush powers and the puzzles were overly simple, and it didn’t have nearly the same level of original content in Twilight Princess, it couldn’t keep up the pace without losing steam.

            You think Okami had ‘developed’ characters? You mean be joking surely? This is the same game where the companion was a bug that was ONLY there to draw pictures until they started pulling the ‘destiny’ angle at the end.

            No, if you want a DEVELOPED character then look at Midna from Twilight Princess. She had MOTIVATION right from the very start, she brought a great air of mystery to the story, she had a full character development arc, she went through several states, she was plot CRITICAL and she was gameplay CRITICAL all the way through.

            Issun from Okami is basically pointless aside from the rather weak comedy he brought to the table.

            Okami had good points for sure though, but nothing that would really benefit Zelda.

            You ARE being petty, you’re going on about plot points that mean nothing in the grand scope of things. These are not glaring plot holes like in Assassin’s Creed.

            In real life sick people have kidnapped children with no real motive. So why do monster bad guys need a motive? How is it relevant to the plot?

            WHO CARES if Link was going to go on a boring errand? Kidnapping is a powerful DRAMATIC DEVICE. Do you know what drama is? It makes stories better. The children were cool side characters. Side characters are also great for establishing a story and world especially when used in tandem with stronger characters (like Midna).

            Also, Malo is awesome. The end!

            I don’t know why Link was living with humans and I really don’t care. Maybe he was an orphan or something just like in Ocarina. It doesn’t make a different to the plot and even then Link is the players avatar so he needs bugger all background information.

            Nintendo made Majora’s Mask. They are plenty clever!

            The whole point of Ganondorf was that it was a PLOT TWIST, which is also a powerful writing technique and it clearly worked. A plot twist is where the story makes a dramatic shift in direction, and works best when there was so previous foreshadowing. Zant was revealed by Midna to be an imposter, a child, a weakling and eventually that all came true and he showed his true colours. It was handled well enough whether you like his Ganondorf’s inclusion or not.

            Why would Zant start a cult around a god? That would have made it SOOOOO obvious. That would also have completely destroyed Zant’s previous position as the big bad guy far earlier than it did. Also, WHY would the story focus on what Zant is doing? Were you playing as Zant?

            Link has the Master Sword, and that is the only reason he can beat Ganondorf. This is basic Zelda logic.

            There is NO indication that Sheik is in any way powerful whatsoever. Please link me to in-game footage of Sheik kicking ass to prove your case. I’m waiting. Also, Zelda is never a proper damsel in distress, it’s just that she obviously doesn’t have the power to beat Ganondorf’s magic.

          • http://www.saisasylum.com/ Sai

            Oh man, you’ve had way too big a text wall but no, it wouldn’t have destroyed Zants position as the big bad. How would you even know his god was REAL until the big reveal (which would have made it a real plot twists since good plot twists have a build up to them, otherwise they’re just cop outs.) It could just seem like a way for him to control his minions, it’d keep the audience guessing until it was revealed to be Ganondorf and it would have made for a much more interesting story. Instead its just lazily written and not fleshed out at all.

          • http://www.saisasylum.com/ Sai

            Oh man, you’ve had way too big a text wall but no, it wouldn’t have destroyed Zants position as the big bad. How would you even know his god was REAL until the big reveal (which would have made it a real plot twists since good plot twists have a build up to them, otherwise they’re just cop outs.) It could just seem like a way for him to control his minions, it’d keep the audience guessing until it was revealed to be Ganondorf and it would have made for a much more interesting story. Instead its just lazily written and not fleshed out at all.

          • http://www.saisasylum.com/ Sai

            Because the master’s only concern was for himself. He basically sent Altair out to eliminate his rivals in finding the piece of Eden under the guise of justice and what.

            Altair decided to hide the piece of Eden rather than use it because he saw what it could do. It’s pretty saccharine but it’s an explanation. In the codexes he does write that he was tempted to use it and it’s call was growing stronger as he aged, but hopefully we get to actually SEE that in Revelations. I’m always against adding plot points in with text dumps.

            I believe it was Arthur C. Clarke that said “Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.”

            Besides which most of the pre-human race’s tech is clearly to do with holograms. The boss battle at the end of AC1 was pretty goofy, luckily they’ve toned that sort of thing down now.

            Again Lucy bent one finger as a signal of the Assassins, why is that so hard to understand?

            I also don’t remember what was so different about Desmond’s Eagle Eye. Altair could also use it to see faint markings if that’s what you mean.

            Brotherhood had the best plot yet, and their interpretation of the Borgias, and especially how Rodrigo Borgia/Pope Alexander VI died was particularly interesting. Sometimes people don’t seem to understand how many of the characters you interact with in AC are historical figures. It was also the first time I could actually take the future story somewhat seriously, although it was still pretty weak.

            I love how people keep bringing up Majora’s Mask as it was the only one to drastically change up the formula and incidentally is my favorite over even OoT. No Ganon. No Zelda even. The story was dark and strange and wonderful. And yet no other Zelda game has ever gone that far. Just because Windwaker stars cel-shaded big-headed cartoons doesn’t mean the formula isn’t the same.

            Don’t most people consider Four Swords to be a spinoff and not a Zelda proper? Even Four Swords eventually had to throw Ganon in.

            I’m not being petty. Actions in a story need to have motivation otherwise they’re just pointless. It’s not established that Zant told them to go kidnap kids, or even those two kids in general. It’s not established how kidnapping them even benefited these characters. It was just a cheap way to get Link out of the village, which again would be fine if they hadn’t previously established that he was ALREADY leaving. They were just trying to get you to care about these superfluous characters who had no real role in the story other than to just be there and fill up space.

            Why was Link living with a bunch of humans anyway? Did no one really notice he was Hylian? No one even mentions it. Or are Link and Zelda just metaphorical, are we actually following different people every time that those two are just a stand-in for? …Nah. Nintendo’s not clever enough for that.

            Okami got a bit bloated with the time travel plot, that part could have done without, however it’s a compelling game that focuses on exploration. I don’t know why it took you 20 hours to get to the fight with Orochi (I’m assuming you’re talking about when the sake brewer Nami gets chosen as a sacrifice) but that’s only the middle of the game. However what it does better than Twilight Princess is actually flesh out it’s many characters.

            We knew Zant had usurped Midna, why does that foreshadow that Ganon was his god? It wasn’t a plot twist, it was an “oh shit we can’t have a Zelda game without Ganon.” Like I said, I’d have less of a problem with it if they’d built up Ganon more. Maybe if Zant was going around converting ogres and even Hylians to his cult, he wouldn’t even have to say Ganon’s name. So you have all this time with Zant talking about his “god” and THEN you find out it’s Ganon. THAT would have been a plot twist. Instead none of this is even established until the boss battle and then Zant is just shoved aside for Ganon. Also if Zant was really such a spaz all along how did he act so calm and organized before? It’s not like Ganon was possessing him, he knew who Midna was. His motivation was how his people were trapped in the Twilight Realm.

            You know by that logic you could say “Link is just a guy with a sword, Ganondorf throws freaking death balls and he’s the king of evil, there is NO comparison.”

            Every indication was Sheik was capable of fighting. You’d have to fight to get to all these temples. I just hate how Zelda becomes incompetent and a frightened damsel as soon as she’s Zelda again.

    • http://twitter.com/RocMegamanX RocMegamanX

      That kinda makes me sad, especially for other people who turn their backs on Nintendo. Why is it wrong for me to like a company that still at least has bright and colorful games as opposed to the “grim and gritty, morally ambiguous” games on the PS3 and 360?

      Saints Row series-you play as a criminal
      Assassin’s Creed-You play as an amoral assassin
      God of War-Last I heard, Kratos was a murderous fiend
      The Bionic Commando remake-The setting was just six kinds of “grim and gritty”
      Gears of War series-Grim and Gritty, and from what I’ve heard, depressing
      Most first-person shooters are grim, gritty, depressing, postapocalyptic or any combination of those things
      Mortal Kombat-grim, gritty, violent, and played straight

      Why DO people like “grim and gritty” as opposed to Nintendo’s titles? I think Moviebob(just bear with me) was also distressed as the growing ratio of “grim-and-gritty” games(First-person shooters and the like) to “wacky, out-there games”(mostly those MADE by Nintendo).

      It just upsets me that most gamers want serious, depressing, and violent games, simply because those gamers “don’t want repetition” and “are getting sick and tired of Nintendo”.

      On another note, I don’t like moral ambiguity. “Ambiguity” is the same thing as “intentionally confusing the viewer, reader, user, player, etc.” in my eyes.

      But if you want the dark, depressing titles, who am I to stop you?

      • http://www.saisasylum.com/ Sai

        You’ve never played Assassin’s Creed have you? You actually lose life for killing innocent civilians. I like Assassin’s Creed because it’s an historical fiction. It does something different. Nintendo is just repeating themselves making the same exact games they’ve been making since the 90′s and steadfastly refusing to keep up, evolve, or create any new IPs.

        • http://twitter.com/RocMegamanX RocMegamanX

          It’s just that I usually associate the word “assassin” with “cold, emotionless killer”. That’s why I hadn’t played it. I would have a hard time playing it anyway, since I’m not an expert in stealth games.

        • http://twitter.com/RocMegamanX RocMegamanX

          It’s just that I usually associate the word “assassin” with “cold, emotionless killer”. That’s why I hadn’t played it. I would have a hard time playing it anyway, since I’m not an expert in stealth games.

  • Anonymous

    Nintendo blah blah blah I hate them blah blah blah. Common give it a rest. Nintendo has some pretty good games that people just disregard and overlook. “No More Heroes” was one of them. The wii mote offers some sick game play if you’re playing the right game with it. Again “No more Heroes” is one of them. There’s only been 1 Actual Zelda game for the Wii and that was the Twilight Princess that came out like 5 years ago. That game was nothing like Ocarina of time. Just because it used a 3d world? With and link Spins his Sword? That’s kind of what Zelda is. The Spin attack is like Metroids Screwattack. It’s part of the character so of course you’re going to see it being done in every game. Not every Zelda game has been about saving Zelda and doing the same tasks.

     No offense…nah screw it take offense because I’m offended. If you’re not a fan of Nintendo games you shouldn’t bother to review them. If you don’t play them or have a passion for them it’s just going to come out as a rant like this did. Nintendo may put out some kiddy stuff but when it comes to gaming innovation they really do own the board. Nintendo publicly stated that they wanted to focus on a younger gaming audience going way back to the end of the N64 and birth of the Gamecube days. You have to respect them for just trying to keep the family fun in games when other companies are putting out stuff like Halo and COD. The Wii U is probably a next gen to bring the Nintendo up to date. They probably will offer more games that aren’t just party game but in Nintendo fashion they still won’t be your GTA type of games.

    As a game player it’s good to have your PS3′s Xbox’s and whatever but Nintendo is still a staple. Just because they have a few niche games doesn’t mean they aren’t worth taking seriously. When Nintendo puts out new technology pay attention and take notes down because that is the future of gaming you’re looking at. Right now they are trying to make games more interactive than just flipping a remote at a screen. They want to make you feel like you’re apart of the game. Why should Nintendo follow the rest of the herd when there are already 2 Systems to choose from that basically offer the same services and put out the same games minus their console exclusives. Who needs a 3rd one? Gaming would be more redundant that it already is. Even the next gen consoles don’t live up to their hype. Instead of being games they are more like push button movies with quick time controls there is no challenge to them. I’ve personally been playing and buying more PS2 games than anything else. Nintendo may not have the next gen graphics but they have the next gen gameplay. Next time don’t brush them off so quickly because there’s yet another new shooter for Microsoft or Sony. I could do an equal rant on how man Godforsaken shooters there are for both of those systems. You have the nerve to call Zelda redundant? An new Zelda comes out like ever 5 years. Your top shooter games for those systems come out like every other month. What’s this Halo 15? Call of Duty 47 were on now? Mass Effect 19? I mean come freaking on! At least when Nintendo drops a game it’s actually a NEW game! When PS3 or XBox put out a game it’s the same game you played before but with a new number behind it. Look Kids! Here’s a New Gun for Master Chief! Wait you can only get it when you buy Halo 59! Nevermind it’s the same as the last 58 Halo’s we made trust us Halo 59! has different color suits and we added a new hallway to your favorite map now. “Ohhhh! what’s behind this door!” Opps an invisible wall! Sorry kids that rooms Downloadable content only.

    Just saying. Don’t throw stones when your team lives in a glass house. Nintendo Power!!!

    • http://www.saisasylum.com/ Sai

      Everyone knows Activision is milking COD for the casual broheim crowd but come on, Mass Effect was planned to be a trilogy from the get go. Each game wraps up nicely even while being part of a continuing story and they introduce new features and improvements with each iteration. 

    • http://twitter.com/Okanehira Okanehira

      tl;dr  You are a fanboy to a little kids gaming company, deal with it. 
      But please feel free to reply with “Hurr duuurrr cod 16 black OpsXx you Like3 Da FPS gamez”
      Like thats a valid argument to you playing the same 6 nintendo games over and over and claiming they are the MASTERS OF INNOVATION!

      • Anonymous

        Is there some reason why you keep following all the comments I post? Better yet any comment someone makes that’s outside of Spoonies Opinion? BTW I think you should change that “tl:dr” to “tl:icr” (too long;I can’t read). Sorry I hurt your feelings but the truth is meant to hurt. Suck it up and take it like the man you are hiding behind a female avatar.

        If you don’t understand why Nintendo is the master of innovation, and why they have lead the gaming market for decades and out lived their competition I suggest you start reading their business history. For a system that puts out primitive games, it’s interesting how all the next gen companies have copied their technology. I’m quite sure your more likely to find someone that owns an Xbox or a PS3 to have a Wii as well. You’re not going to find many people that have an Xbox and PS3. There’s a reason for that I suggest you go learn it.

      • Anonymous

        you have no room to talk when you yourself have no valid arguments beyond spouting blind hate and regurgitated argumentation that are completely opinion and not at all fact. back your statements up if you can

    • http://twitter.com/Okanehira Okanehira

      tl;dr  You are a fanboy to a little kids gaming company, deal with it. 
      But please feel free to reply with “Hurr duuurrr cod 16 black OpsXx you Like3 Da FPS gamez”
      Like thats a valid argument to you playing the same 6 nintendo games over and over and claiming they are the MASTERS OF INNOVATION!

    • http://www.facebook.com/SonOfAnarchy19 Matt Gingerich

      Nintendo really hasn’t shown me anything worthwhile to be able to be defended, partly due to the fact that most of the new stuff they’re Selling is very Gimmicky, and mostly due to them not bring any fresh blood to the table of gaming ( no new characters to take the reigns of the older ones.) Mario and Link have aged quite badly , to that it is almost predictable what each characters plot lines are going to be, Mario’s in space doing the same shit he did in 64. Links gonna kill A big scary monster to save zelda again, though he’s gonna do it on a BOAT!( Yes, It is Zelda in a pirates costume.) If they were to come out in the future and say there retiring Mario and Zelda( something they’ll never say.) and introduced a new line of characters, MAYBE they’ll have chance, and that maybe will hang on the fans of Nintendo not getting a stroke about hearing that, and accepting old characters gotta stop saving the world sometimes.

      • http://twitter.com/RocMegamanX RocMegamanX

        Retiring Mario is like Disney retiring Mickey Mouse. That’s company suicide.

        And you can’t just keep experimenting if you’re a game company, because that’s ALSO suicide.

  • Anonymous

    There goes Spoony..raggin’on Nintendo again. In other news the sky is blue!!  Don’t you go changin’ now Spoony :D

  • http://twitter.com/BigPuppy_Stuart Stuart Phip

    Spoony you don’t need to defend yourself, it is likely more people understand and are quiet then those that don’t and make noise. You are allowed to speak your mind that is why they watch you and if people don’t take kindly what you say that is their deal by not taking you with the grain of salt that is appropriate to have when Listening to any critic.

    • Anonymous

      theres speaking your mind then theirs talking down to your audience, whether you agree with him on the games or not, he does deserve the flak he gets for calling anyone who likes nintendo kiddy and talking down to them

      • http://twitter.com/BigPuppy_Stuart Stuart Phip

        Yeah Noah is kinda a dick but that is hardly news, since everyone is kinda a dick.

        As for the stuff i am actually Pretty interested in what Nintendo has to offer and dissagree with his stance on them, i just don’t get peoples inability to shrug something so small off.

        There are greater things to be offended over than one guy on the internet not liking what others like and blasting it in a douchebaggy manor.

        • Anonymous

          Noah being a dick? believe it or not I wouldn’t say that. The spoonyone maybe but thats when he’s in a character and even when he does exibit some assholish behavior is its usually towards the games only. if that were the case I wouldn’t be talking but it isn’t even if it wasn’t towards a fanbase I belong to this still wouldn’t be okay. and even IF noah was already established as a total dick all the time that still does not make it okay. that’s like letting someone punch you in the face for no good reason off the hook just because that’s what he does

          Being insulted is still being insulted and sure it is just one guy but so what?! its not like I would let someone in real life insult me over something as trivial as a videogame why should I let the spoonyone off scot free?

    • Anonymous

      There’s a difference in being a critic and being a reviewer. This is what Spoony needs to learn when he does these types of jobs. When you’re reviewing product reviews you put your personal criticism aside first. You learn about the product your reviewing, get the details about it, explain it to your audience, tell them about it unbiasedly, and then if you want to add in your own 2cents about it you can do so but make it known and clear that it’s your personal opinion. That is how you review a product. You don’t “review” a product by outright bashing it, openly criticizing it, not bothering to really learn about it, basically skim over it because, you’re more interested in what’s happening in the booth next door and then go on a rant bashing the people that do enjoy these products. That’s not how you do a review that’s how you lose part of your audience.

       Spoony hasn’t learned yet that his event coverage and product reviews aren’t like his game reviews yet. People aren’t watching “These” types of videos to see him be a critic. We are watching to learn about up and coming products coming out. This is the one time when you keep your criticism to yourself roll the camera, and just ask questions or give information. Not saying “look at this… this sucks I don’t know what it really is but it probably sucks”. Every year about this time he does expo’s like these and every year people say the same things when he comes off wrong when reviewing new products. He did the same thing bashing FFonline or whatever game was in the MMO booth. He just went on a rant bashing the game and giving people reasons to hate it while not even explaining what it was. Once again people were like “what is this? what am I watching? why is he ranting?” I’m just saying if you can’t review a product right because you’re not personally interested in it don’t review it at all. No one wants to hear a rant when it comes to going over events like E3. Save that for a personal Vlog. Atleast give the products an equal over view and then tell your personal experience about it later when everything is done. Angry Joe out of all the reviewers is the only one that does this kind of stuff right when it comes down to breaking away from his personal opinion and overall  just reviewing a game in general.

      • http://twitter.com/BigPuppy_Stuart Stuart Phip

        I can see you are really bent out of shape about this so i will just say, If you don’t like his coverage look at what others have said about the same thing, watch several reviews and come up with your own conclusions about something. Spoony is not the one and only exclusive source for news on these things. If you find spoony’s reporting deficient then find Other sources, you brought up Joe’s enthusiasm so you know other sources. So it seems to me that you just want Spoony to not be Spoony.

        • Anonymous

          I’m not bent out of shape about anything. Matter of fact I don’t really care all that much. I caught the coverage I was looking for on another review website. I just don’t care for Spoony’s Expo reviews because they’re heavily biased. I rarely post comments on here or judge Spoony’s videos but when you have lurkers speaking out about something that usually means something is wrong. People always mention “if you don’t like it go somewhere else” well it’s apparent that a lot of people don’t like it and have gone somewhere else. That still doesn’t mean sh-t doesn’t smell like sh-t. Just because you enjoy its aroma that doesn’t mean everyone else does and isn’t going to speak up and say something about the stench. No one ever said a critic couldn’t be critiqued. You don’t do expo coverage to bash products you don’t even know a thing about. You do Expo coverage to bring awareness to new products coming out. It’s not the time or place for Spoony to go into one of his long winded and personal rants.  I don’t care if he hates or loves nintendo to death. I just get annoyed that he’s horrible at covering Expo’s and usually just ends up making these flame wars on his website. It’s always the same way. People that hang off spoony’s every word and worship him as their God Vs. People who have a mind of their own and are willing to point out where he’s screwing up. I just broke out about angry joe because he seemed to get annoyed as well with Spoony’s event coverage the last Expo I think for the exact same reasons. He complains and goes on rants. You don’t see Joe on the floor with him doing these anymore do you? Like I said earlier covering an Expo is not like doing a review of highlander. It should be taken more seriously on Spoony’s part. That’s all I’m getting at. If he’s going to do Expo coverage he really needs to work on putting his personal opinions aside and properly cover these new products coming out. When I watch a Spoony vid of him reviewing a movie I expect him to rant. When I watch event coverage the last thing I or anyone else is looking for is a rant. It’s not the place nor time for that.

          • http://twitter.com/BigPuppy_Stuart Stuart Phip

            I do get where you are coming from but i think the flak he has gotten is unwarranted.  Yes he can be a dick sometimes and i don’t agree with his opinions but don’t like seeing someone badgered and near bullied for something so minor as him being a grump about something.

            So i said something to show him not everyone has turned on him and some people took exception to it enough to write big long paragraphs in rebuttal to my attempt to be comforting.

            I guess our opinions on the severity of his transgressions is to different. so lets agree to disagree because i don’t have proton packs to cross the streams which means a battle would be pointless. ( and i would Die by Marshmallow )

    • Anonymous

      There’s a difference in being a critic and being a reviewer. This is what Spoony needs to learn when he does these types of jobs. When you’re reviewing product reviews you put your personal criticism aside first. You learn about the product your reviewing, get the details about it, explain it to your audience, tell them about it unbiasedly, and then if you want to add in your own 2cents about it you can do so but make it known and clear that it’s your personal opinion. That is how you review a product. You don’t “review” a product by outright bashing it, openly criticizing it, not bothering to really learn about it, basically skim over it because, you’re more interested in what’s happening in the booth next door and then go on a rant bashing the people that do enjoy these products. That’s not how you do a review that’s how you lose part of your audience.

       Spoony hasn’t learned yet that his event coverage and product reviews aren’t like his game reviews yet. People aren’t watching “These” types of videos to see him be a critic. We are watching to learn about up and coming products coming out. This is the one time when you keep your criticism to yourself roll the camera, and just ask questions or give information. Not saying “look at this… this sucks I don’t know what it really is but it probably sucks”. Every year about this time he does expo’s like these and every year people say the same things when he comes off wrong when reviewing new products. He did the same thing bashing FFonline or whatever game was in the MMO booth. He just went on a rant bashing the game and giving people reasons to hate it while not even explaining what it was. Once again people were like “what is this? what am I watching? why is he ranting?” I’m just saying if you can’t review a product right because you’re not personally interested in it don’t review it at all. No one wants to hear a rant when it comes to going over events like E3. Save that for a personal Vlog. Atleast give the products an equal over view and then tell your personal experience about it later when everything is done. Angry Joe out of all the reviewers is the only one that does this kind of stuff right when it comes down to breaking away from his personal opinion and overall  just reviewing a game in general.

  • http://twitter.com/Okanehira Okanehira

    I can’t believe so many pokemon playing manchildren watch spoony.

    • Anonymous

      you mean like you with the childish name calling yeah there certainly are a lot of you people here isn’t there

      • http://twitter.com/Tony7wsfk Tony

        You’re such an angry person.

        • Anonymous

          so flipping around her statement to show how she is the one being childish and hurling out the childish insults makes me an angry person? huh you learn something new, I wonder what calm feels like it probably not as fun as sarcasm though.

          in all seriousness what makes me an angry person?

    • http://twitter.com/KennethTanRZ Kenneth Tan

      Spoony also plays Pokemon you know…

    • http://profiles.google.com/addermoray Adder M

      Generally speaking, it’s children that worry about how COOL and MATURE a product is. http://www.bastardcontent.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/1287363388965.jpg

  • Anonymous

    It boogles the mind how can a person be so loyal to a brand,
    specially when they keep putting out the same rehashed
    games for the past 10 years…

    • Anonymous

      If you want an honest answer is because the fun factor and that to us at least they are not rehashed, they are still fresh to this day for us and we still enjoy them. cant we just enjoy a video game series without being judged?

      and yes for some there is a nostalgia factor but not for all and not for me, no First party Nintendo Franchises or games with the exclusion of donkey kong 64 and diddy kong racing hold any nostalgia value for me

      and try to get this into your head just because you think its rehashed doesn’t mean everyone else does, whether something is rehashed or not is subjective and to me and many others these games are not rehashed excluding any remakes of course.

  • Anonymous

    I’m sure this has been said in a ton of other posts already, but here goes anyway. I don’t mind so much that he’s yelling about Nintendo, but when he calls his fans stupid, that is kind of crossing a line. I love Spoony, but he does this far too much. Games that Spoony likes, he shows the trailer and gives information on, but anything he doesn’t like? “It’s stupid, and you’re stupid for liking it.” Thanks…

  • http://twitter.com/KennethTanRZ Kenneth Tan

    I always enjoy a controversial opinion by Spoony, browsing through the comments of people arguing with him, defending him, and reading through the various polarising statements posted.

    Do I agree with him on Nintendo and Zelda? No. But I see that it’s his opinion. He may not have all the information and the experience in playing Zelda as other people have here. However, he is expressing his opinion as it is. How he feels when he saw it and people playing it at E3 while comparing it with his past experiences. However, he admits that his opinion is biased and that he may change his opinion given enough evidence and time.

    Believe me, I was really pissed the first time I saw his review of FFVIII and wished I could just smack him on the head for singing the words ‘so gay’ over the Liberi Fatali theme. I also disagreed with his comments on Team Fortress 2 on Twitter. But again, I enjoy these games, he has his opinion on them. Then I laughed at the funny jokes that he made on his various movie vlogs, and I raised an eyebrow when he bashed Sonic 4 at last year’s E3. (I disagree with about 50% of what he says on games by the way)

    To the unhappy fans out there, take a chill pill and relax. You shouldn’t let one person’s opinion diminish your enjoyment of a game you like. He is not insulting Zelda fans personally, he’s just stating out loud his opinion (albeit caustic) which is characteristic of the Spoony we all know. He likes certain stuff, he dislikes certain stuff. The world keeps spinning.

    (Now, I need to rage over some spawn camping assholes on pl_goldrush and 2fort)

  • http://twitter.com/Geminiman555 Geminiman555

    There’s tons of comments so I’m almost certainly not saying anything new but oh well.

    Nintendo mostly does a good job at keeping things same enough so that it is not “OMG BETRAYAL” of the series, but different enough so that you won’t confuse which game is which, even beyond just new graphical styles. More importantly, they feel like new games instead of a Capcom-like “sequel”. Just as an example, while Skyward Sword certainly looks fairly unoriginal, it does have three things that will likely make them much different from other Zeldas. 

    1. The overworld being more similar to dungeons in terms of puzzles, which seems likely will be similar to a Metroidvania style game instead, thus changing the structure of the entirety of the game. 

    2. The controls. Even the diehard CORE GAMERS YO have given up hating motion controls all the time, it’s just ignorant to say they don’t work (exaggeration or not and only half serious or not), and I try to avoid saying “no you are wrong” for things but please don’t be silly. It works. But just WiiMotion plus and Move in terms of good 1:1 movement. Shame we couldn’t get this sooner or on more than a couple games worth playing. Anyway, Wii Sports Resort shows that it can do legit sword combat in a video game instead of just flailing your arm or flicking your wrist slightly. I’ve played the game, it works brilliantly even in a game like that. If every item in Skyward Sword controls like that, it will control differently and brilliantly compared to other Zeldas.

    3. Flight. If it’s the main form of travel, it could take up a quarter of the game. And as long as it is different from boat travel from Wind Waker, something new in a Zelda game. For an entire quarter of the game (although probably less?).

    And the items. Even in Twilight Princess (which was very same-y compared to older Zeldas), the items were surprisingly very new. “Oh they combined the boomerang with that crappy wind producing leaf from Wind waker-Wait you can use it to get dropped items and even enemies? And you can target a bomb enemy and the a bombable wall to have the bomb enemy explode on impact at the wall?”
    “Oh it’s the hookshot but a claw and you can change your elevation thanks to the chain, that’s cool I guess-wait you get two and get to go all spidey with it?!”
    “Oh a top wow that’s stupid” -2 minutes later- “oh a top WOW THAT’S AWESOME”

    also you used Portal 2 a while back as an example of a creative sequel. For the most part, it wasn’t any more creative than a lot of Zeldas. Every new mechanic was not too much different than using new items in Zelda. Only reason it’s more original than Zelda sequels is because of how original and great the Portal gun still is.

  • Anonymous

    It’s nice to you talk sense about Nintendo. You’re absolutely right, all they know how to do is REHASH, REHASH, REHASH. How about instead of porting Star Fox 64, you make a NEW Star Fox. Actually screw that, I’d rather have a new Rogue Squadron. As much as Nintendo can’t get out of the rut of making the same tired old games over and over, the Nintendo fans are just as much to blame. They’re so rabidly devoted to Nintendo that they will buy and defend every single Zelda and Mario they come across, no matter how much of a repackage or gimmick it is (oh wow! i can put my Mii into the new Mario game, just what I want!).

    • Anonymous

      clearly these are the words of somone who pays absolutlet no attention no attention to what nintendo does.

      and news flash rehash is a subjective term stop using it like what you say is fact

      • http://twitter.com/Tony7wsfk Tony

        Sounds like you’re the one not paying attention to what Nintendo does. Either that, or you’re easily tricked by shallow gimmicks and additions.

        • Anonymous

          So just because I like the new additions to each iteration and you don’t automatically means I am easily tricked by shallow gimmicks.

          and I would think that I would be paying attention to what Nintendo does considering I do watch their new releases like a hawk so I know what they are doing with it

          look dude I’m going to be blunt if you don’t like the Nintendo franchises that’s cool but just because you think they are shallow does not mean they are, your words are not absolute fact, I like the new additions and think they are refreshing, you don’t have to.

          Gimmicks shallow or otherwise are completely subjective meaning OPINION! and my opinion on this subject does not match up with yours and again that’s fine, but don’t go around like your Idea of a gimmick or a rehash is absolute fact.

          • http://twitter.com/Tony7wsfk Tony

            So you’re essentially saying that what you say is fact until someone disagrees with you, and then we both just have opinions. That’s usually one of the bigger signs that indicate it’s a lost cause to continue debating or having a discussion with a person.

          • Anonymous

            If I stated my opinion as fact i apologies, please direct to where where I did, and I will correct myself.

            if you are referring, to when I said that that clearly that person doesn’t pay attention to what nintendo, allow me to back up that statement, I think this person doesnt pay attention to what nintendo does because of Kid icarus uprising, the AR cards, starfox adventures, The wii Games line(eg wii sports wii play wii music etc) and their spinoff games, hardware among other things. either he doesnt pay attention to what nintendo does or he just ignores the changes they do make.

            and just pointing out that I am guilty of this too(albeit not intentionally) doesn’t change that so are you and you havent even backed up your statements.

  • http://haikushive.altervista.org/ Haiku B. Oezu

    I read “Whilst thou stink” instead of sink.

  • http://haikushive.altervista.org/ Haiku B. Oezu

    I read “Whilst thou stink” instead of sink.

  • Anonymous

    Oh dear…. Spoony being ignorant… again. You need to stop calling people manchildren, for the sake of not calling out your own career (in which you do act like a manchild might I remind you).

    Skyrim is samey (all you do is kill things, walk around, collect items and talk to dudes for like a hundred hours like every Bethesda game), Uncharted 3 is samey, Battlefield 3 is samey, Call of Duty is samey, Arkham City is samey, everything is samey.

    How many samey games (like Total War, Ultima) do you enjoy?

    Now don’t be a hypocrite, I expect you to rip them a new one.

    Did you even TRY to play the new Skyward Sword?

    With the COMPLETELY REWORKED combat and use of items?

    The COMPLETELY different art style and fully orchestrated score?

    The fact that there are two overworlds, one of them requires flying and the other is like a dungeon in itself.

    Stamina meter and more parkour-like actions.

    From those few factors alone it has more innovation than the majority of games featured at this years E3, and there is more innovation to be had (upgradeable items etc)

    PLAY the game, BEFORE you dismiss it. I have actually been following the game and it’s game of the year material as always.

    I’d be here all day if I were to call out everything wrong with what you’re saying so I’ll just say…

    If you HONESTLY think that all the Zelda games are the same, that something like Wind Waker is the same as Majora’s Mask, then you are either trolling or haven’t played them.

    Wind Waker had cel shading that made it feel like a cartoon, sailing with an amazing sense of exploration and wind physics etc.

    Majora’s Mask had you take on completely different forms and other masks, a 3-Day system with ridiculous character interaction, and a poignant and dark storyline…

    If you think them the same then you don’t know what you’re talking about simply.

    Those two games are both groundbreaking, and I think you may just have too large a sense of entitlement and clearly take what they offer for granted. Either that or seriously jealous that a game you love doesn’t get the same treatment.

    Why do we care about Zelda? Well it’s because it has a ridiculously large range of gameplay, ridiculous polish and makes everything else look like buggy soulless crap.

    And Fours Swords was like Left 4 Dead before Left 4 Dead even existed. How is that bells and whistles?

    I also find it hilarious to call out a progression formula. Progression is NOT gameplay. You are not psychic and you DO NOT know what you are about to play. You did not see the spinning top from Twilight Princess coming.

    Also on the point of storytelling, Twilight Princess has the most well developed Nintendo characters ever in Midna, and Majora’s Mask is basically art in game form and has a million articles dedicated to it. If you played them you would know that assuming you gave them half a chance.

    Boo hoo 3D:

    Nobody cares if you can’t enjoy 3D or motion controls as far more people can, these allow for incredible experiences you just can’t get any other way. Let’s see you use a regular pad like a sword like you can in Skyward Sword.

    Games are NOT, and NEVER have been something you’re supposed to play in a vegetative state…

    Stick to films if you feel that way.

    Wii U:

    The Wii U will have better visuals than the other consoles, the 360/PS3 were ancient back in 2007 and everything will be dirt cheap for Nintendo.

    Nintendo has brains and likes to make a PROFIT unlike the other two.

    The Wii U has a groundbreaking controller which will allow for brand new gameplay, new ways of playing (you don’t even need a TV), new levels of fidelity (no HUD, so it’ll be like you’re playing CG) and it can do practically anything seeing as all the Wii controllers work.

    If logic prevails it’ll get all the third party games, it already has a good bunch announced.

    What more does it need to do to become ‘next gen’? What else do you want? Graphics have hit their peak and that wouldn’t mean jack if it was just prettier shooters.

    You’re just being ridiculously hard to please because you want them to fail, and they won’t because Nintendo know what they’re doing unlike you in your rant.

    I hate to sound so negative but you’re really full of shit on this one. You can make broad statements all you like, it still sounds ridiculous.

    Now to watch the rest of your (hopefully less negative) E3 footage :P .

    • Joshua D’souza

      While I disagree with Spoony that Skyrim and ME 3 is going to be worth anything, saying that dissing Ultima is grounds for not taking anyone seriously.

    • http://www.saisasylum.com/ Sai

      Bethesda RPGs are one of those things that you either like them or you don’t, that’s just how it is. But Skyrim has alot of dynamic elements to it that make it very interesting. Kind of like how the dragons roam the map on their own accord and the procedural generation of quests. 

      • Anonymous

        I would like them if they weren’t so incredibly flawed.

        As I’ve said somewhere… Bethesda improve and every game is less crappy than the last, although Morrowind might be the odd one out even if the combat was broken.

        Oblivion kinda sucked and was randomized to hell, Shivering Isles fixed this somewhat by actually having original content and a decent plot. Fallout 3 took ‘make original content’ ideal (GROUNDBREAKING as it is ¬_¬) and went with it, and it was actually worth exploring in the game for all the unique characters and areas. Fallout 3 was still problematic and lost steam halfway.

        And WHY. Why does Fallout 3 have invisible walls at the edge of the world? WHY? It doesn’t even explain why you can’t continue. It’s ridiculous. They could have just put some crazy radiation there but no.

        I don’t need dynamic elements like a certain quest sending me to a cave next to a tree as opposed to a cave near a stream. This is pointless in a single player game and just means the experience isn’t going to be as good as if it was hand crafted.

        The dragons look cool, I’m just worried they’ll ruin it somehow. Making them less special or something.

        That said I am excited for it, as long as they apply what they’ve learned it could be great.

        • http://www.saisasylum.com/ Sai

          “I don’t need dynamic elements like a certain quest sending me to a cave next to a tree as opposed to a cave near a stream. This is pointless in a single player game and just means the experience isn’t going to be as good as if it was hand crafted.”

          You misunderstand, the world IS hand crafted, it just chooses an area you haven’t been to yet to place the sidequest in. I ran into this problem in Oblivion alot, because I like to explore, where quests ended up being in dungeons and places I’ve already been.

          Well for one thing the world can’t go on forever, that would be impractical. Also if you want to continue after the end game, get Broken Steel.

          • Anonymous

            If I want to go to a different area for different quests, then I will. Why do I need to game to tell me?

            Oblivions dungeons were a joke. Three different texture sets, randomly generated boring unimportant dungeons and it all just resets in 3 days so there’s no sense of progression.

            I got the GOTY edition, which doesn’t have the stupid ending.

            The invisible walls make no sense and reminds you it’s a game, they could have at least tried to be intelligent about it and give a real reason.

          • http://www.saisasylum.com/ Sai

            Because it’s nice that the quests are always located in a place you haven’t been before so you get a sense of discovery and get to see something new? According to Spoony’s report, btw, there are about 150 hand-crafted dungeons as well.

          • http://www.saisasylum.com/ Sai

            Because it’s nice that the quests are always located in a place you haven’t been before so you get a sense of discovery and get to see something new? According to Spoony’s report, btw, there are about 150 hand-crafted dungeons as well.

          • Joshua D’souza

            Nothing worse than games that continue on after the main quest is over. It just undermines it’s importance.

      • Anonymous

        I would like them if they weren’t so incredibly flawed.

        As I’ve said somewhere… Bethesda improve and every game is less crappy than the last, although Morrowind might be the odd one out even if the combat was broken.

        Oblivion kinda sucked and was randomized to hell, Shivering Isles fixed this somewhat by actually having original content and a decent plot. Fallout 3 took ‘make original content’ ideal (GROUNDBREAKING as it is ¬_¬) and went with it, and it was actually worth exploring in the game for all the unique characters and areas. Fallout 3 was still problematic and lost steam halfway.

        And WHY. Why does Fallout 3 have invisible walls at the edge of the world? WHY? It doesn’t even explain why you can’t continue. It’s ridiculous. They could have just put some crazy radiation there but no.

        I don’t need dynamic elements like a certain quest sending me to a cave next to a tree as opposed to a cave near a stream. This is pointless in a single player game and just means the experience isn’t going to be as good as if it was hand crafted.

        The dragons look cool, I’m just worried they’ll ruin it somehow. Making them less special or something.

        That said I am excited for it, as long as they apply what they’ve learned it could be great.

  • Derek Henderson

    It’s always bugged me how people can’t take ANY Nintendo fan seriously, much less without calling them an insane fanboy. Not liking franchises is fine, but when you call out an entire fanbase and call them idiots, that’s just going too far.

    I’m not gonna mention most stuff that has already been beaten over your head in these comments, but reading these comments has actually made me SEE that a lot of gamers can be idiots. Not really YOU, per se, but I dunno.

    And I dunno about everyone else, but I’m looking forward to the Wii U. I probably won’t get any of the remakes for the 3DS, but if one thing’s for sure KIRBY WIIIIIII YEAAAAH.

    Anyway, it bugs me how people will bash anything Nintendo does just because they’re Nintendo. I like the 3DS, because unlike the Wii, its “gimmick” is optional. You don’t NEED to use the 3D, which is why I’m mostly a portable system gamer. But with the Wii U, they’ve just moved on, and people are gonna say “Oh go back to the roots BAWWWW”, with fanboys, and maybe even non-fanboys alike. Gimmicks aren’t always bad, it’s all how they’re pulled off, and from the look of Nintendo’s E3, it looks like it’s gonna do really well.

    But people shouldn’t bash Nintendo because they’re Nintendo, or that they’re making money (which is what they’re supposed to do, by the way. Jeez), they should actually try stuff out before making an accurate judgement. Just saying “Nintendo sucks lol” isn’t an argument. Hell, it’s barely a valid opinion. But gamers will never agree on one thing or another, I guess.

    In short, KIRBY WIIIIIII.

    • http://www.saisasylum.com/ Sai

      Alot of the Ninty fans here seem to have knee-jerk reactions to any negative opinion about Nintendo and shoot back by calling the poster “boring” or “stupid” or deciding they need to insult other games and games systems in exaggerated ways (like saying there have been 19 Mass Effects) instead of having an intelligent discussion. 

      This is why alot of you aren’t being taken seriously.

      • Anonymous

        to be fair though a lot of anti nintendo comments on many a website are exactly the the same

        • http://twitter.com/Tony7wsfk Tony

          Probably because more than one person noticed the many flaws of Nintendo? That’s like saying “to be fair, a lot of people noticed it’s raining today.” No shit?

          • Anonymous

            I’m just pointing out that a lot of people also have the same knee jerk reaction to any positive opinion on nintendo and will be just as childish.

          • http://twitter.com/Tony7wsfk Tony

            Probably because more than one person noticed the many flaws of
            Nintendo? That’s like saying “to be fair, a lot of people noticed it’s
            raining today.” No shit?

          • http://twitter.com/Tony7wsfk Tony

            Probably because more than one person noticed the many flaws of
            Nintendo? That’s like saying “to be fair, a lot of people noticed it’s
            raining today.” No shit?

        • http://twitter.com/Tony7wsfk Tony

          Probably because more than one person noticed the many flaws of Nintendo? That’s like saying “to be fair, a lot of people noticed it’s raining today.” No shit?

      • Derek Henderson

        I dunno what kind of fan I am any more, but I think most people on this page have forgotten what being a gamer IS. Being a gamer SHOULD be about playing the games you love, not FORCING your opinions on one another. Whether you like Nintendo, Sony, Microsoft, whatever else, you shouldn’t be talked down to like you’re any less of a gamer.

        Unless you’re a totally insane fanboy. Then that calls for different measures.

        But I don’t know what kind of fan I am, but I do know that we’re gamers, dammit, and gaming is what we do!

        • http://www.saisasylum.com/ Sai

          Exactly, I’m a gamer, and I’m going to go to whatever company is going to give me good games, and I’m not going to fawn over them even when they produce crap.

          I’ve loved Nintendo, but they keep breaking my heart. Shiggy is getting old, the company is slow to adapt to the changing scene, and their games are beginning to lose their novelty for me. What else can I say.

          • Derek Henderson

            At least we’ve discussed this like civil people.

            Now let me break that chain RAAAAWWWWRRGH AAAAH NONSENSICAAAAAAAL.

            No but seriously, whatever works for different people. As long as you’re enjoying the games that you play, that really should just be the end of it. Not, “OH MAN PLAY THIS GAME IT’S SO MUCH BETTER THAN THE ONES YOU PLAY,” ’cause that’s just not right, man.

      • Anonymous

        You saw the video right? The fact that Nintendo fans were being insulted left and right with broad and nonsensical if not lying statements?

        What exactly did I do to deserve being called manchild when I started the video? It was unnecessary.

        The knee jerk reactions take place on both sides, but I think you’ll find the comments from Nintendo fans here (there are plenty of less eloquent fans elsewhere…) are far more intelligent than the rants.

        Last I checked kids love running around with sticks and toy guns, so I guess anyone who plays a shooter and a game with a sword in it is now a manchild? See, it doesn’t make any sense.

        I must be like a super manchild because I play everything.

        Personally I like keeping my inner child happy so don’t mind being called one, the world is a sucky place and Nintendo makes it better.

        • http://www.saisasylum.com/ Sai

          Do you watch the site? It’s Spoony being Spoony. You’re only butthurt because he was talking about Nintendo.

          • Anonymous

            Yes I’ve been watching for years now, and every time Noah turns into a hypocrite and a dick (sorry mate, it’s true) over events and such it’s equally as annoying.

            When someone is wrong and full of crap, they are wrong. I’m a fanboy of peace :P .

          • http://twitter.com/Tony7wsfk Tony

            Why do you bother watching Spoony at all, then? If you know he’s like this, and disagree with him so much because it goes against your fanboy philosophy, you’re only annoying people by posting these comments.

          • Anonymous

            Spoony obviously has his own opinions and never hesitates to make them known. Sometimes I disagree, sometimes I don’t, but I wouldn’t consider ceasing watching all of his videos just because I disagree with what he thinks. That’s just stupid

          • Anonymous

             This just makes it really hard to take him seriously as a reporter though. This is blatant trolling to drive his views up.

          • Anonymous

            I enjoy the stuff that Spoony does not pull out of his ass. The FF8 review was spot on with my experience of the game, he actually KNEW WHAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT. Amazing I know.

            I’m not going to turn completely off a person because he doesn’t like the games I like, but I WILL raise hell about it :P .

            I’m annoying you am I? What so is my contrary, educated and enlightening opinion ruining your circle jerking Nintendo bashing fun?

          • http://twitter.com/ChaosBladewing Chris Cunningham

            If I feel the need to point out to someone my opinion is enlightening, I would be more inclined to reassess that opinion then continue to believe its as educated as I thought it was.
            Just saying.

          • Anonymous

            I enjoy the stuff that Spoony does not pull out of his ass. The FF8 review was spot on with my experience of the game, he actually KNEW WHAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT. Amazing I know.

            I’m not going to turn completely off a person because he doesn’t like the games I like, but I WILL raise hell about it :P .

            I’m annoying you am I? What so is my contrary, educated and enlightening opinion ruining your circle jerking Nintendo bashing fun?

          • http://twitter.com/Tony7wsfk Tony

            Why do you bother watching Spoony at all, then? If you know he’s like this, and disagree with him so much because it goes against your fanboy philosophy, you’re only annoying people by posting these comments.

      • Anonymous

        You saw the video right? The fact that Nintendo fans were being insulted left and right with broad and nonsensical if not lying statements?

        What exactly did I do to deserve being called manchild when I started the video? It was unnecessary.

        The knee jerk reactions take place on both sides, but I think you’ll find the comments from Nintendo fans here (there are plenty of less eloquent fans elsewhere…) are far more intelligent than the rants.

        Last I checked kids love running around with sticks and toy guns, so I guess anyone who plays a shooter and a game with a sword in it is now a manchild? See, it doesn’t make any sense.

        I must be like a super manchild because I play everything.

        Personally I like keeping my inner child happy so don’t mind being called one, the world is a sucky place and Nintendo makes it better.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Matt-Hayden/1720262285 Matt Hayden

    I’m with you Spoony. The Wii has always been a gimmicky piece of junk and motion controls are a huge step backward in gameplay. The controller isn’t broken so stop trying to reinvent it Nintendo! Even the Wii U with it’s horrible name is a rehash of something Nintendo has done before; namely the GBA connectivity with the Gamecube.

    Really? Is this what people wanted to see next from Nintendo? Just another fancier Wii Remote? *Snore*

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Matt-Hayden/1720262285 Matt Hayden

    I’m with you Spoony. The Wii has always been a gimmicky piece of junk and motion controls are a huge step backward in gameplay. The controller isn’t broken so stop trying to reinvent it Nintendo! Even the Wii U with it’s horrible name is a rehash of something Nintendo has done before; namely the GBA connectivity with the Gamecube.

    Really? Is this what people wanted to see next from Nintendo? Just another fancier Wii Remote? *Snore*

    • Derek Henderson

      Another fancier Wii Remote? I don’t see it.

      The Wii Remote used motion control and was small and was kinda meant to be used as an NES controller. The Wii U controller is like an iPad and doesn’t use motion control.

      • Anonymous

        The WiiU controler does have motion crontrolls its just very different to the Wii remote

    • Anonymous

      What?

      We wouldn’t even have a games industry if it weren’t for Nintendo. They made the traditional controller what it is today and they’re making gaming better and more expansive whether you like it or not.

      Being able to fight as if you have a real sword is gimmicky?

      Being able to aim with incredible precision (unlike dual analog) and realism (unlike the mouse) is gimmicky?

      Being able to play new concepts never before seen is gimmicky?

      You must be a very boring person.

      Nintendo always keeps its ideas in a safe place and if they want to improve on a great concept THEY made (with handheld connectivity) then they can. Just like the 3DS this controller is in some way a past dream realised. Not to mention this blows anything similar that’s been done completely out of the water.

      How many parents are gonna buy this thing when they find out their kids can play without the TV?

      • http://www.saisasylum.com/ Sai

        Nintendo saved the games industry after the crash in 1983, they innovated things like rumble in controllers, but they can’t keep riding on past successes forever. The Wii and Wii U are just impractical. Motion control in general is impractical.

        • Anonymous

          you are right they cant keep riding their past successes, which is why they are not, whether or not you like motion controls the wii was not only successful among  a lot of gamers but it was clearly the most financially succesfull home console of this generation, with the DS being the most succesfull handheld of this generation and I’m sure you’ve seen the printing money GIF, whether you like it or not Nintendo are still successful and the WiiU looks to continue that success.

          • http://www.saisasylum.com/ Sai

            I never said the handheld wasn’t successful, but we’re talking about TV consoles here. Financial success doesn’t always mean critical or innovative success. Transformers movies make alot of money, does that mean they’re good? I see alot of Ninty fans around here bashing COD, which is the highest grossing game series ever. Does that mean it’s superior?

            The Wii was successful because it marketed itself to non-gamers. But how many of those people are going to keep playing with it? How many are going to buy the Wii U? If even the gaming press was confused by its functions how do you sell it to Grandma?

          • Anonymous

            Like I said the wii was successfull not just financaily but in popularity among a lot of people, and the wii did receive a lot of critical success at least on the sites I go to and magazines like I said nintendo is still succesfull and are still popular their fanbase is not going anywhere and with the third party line up it will only draw in more people.

            if the wii was not successfull they would not be making more games for it and they wouldnt say that they wanted to continue supporting it even after the WiiU’s release
            how’d you sell it to grandma? by putting an affordable price tag and adding fun looking games to the line up and advertising, not hard.and the only way the wiiU could fail is if it turns out is as bad as the virtual boy, if it continues on the path it is now it will be a success.nintendo learnt from their mistakes with the wii but they ahve also learnt from their successesand you said that”nintendo cant keep riding on their pas successes” I showed you that they are not

        • Anonymous

          Past success? The Nintendo Wii is the best selling console. They outsold Sony and Microsoft. That’s not living on past success, that living on current success. Everything Nintendo does the other try to copy. Nintendo leads in gaming technology. How is it that a console with primitive graphics can outsell the “polished” systems? Here’s a hint… It’s the technology. now when the other home consoles and even computers apparently are copying the motion controls Nintendo has already jumped into their new next level technology with the Wii U. Expect to see that be copied by Sony or Microsoft. Microsoft is the worse of them all. Do they even have original ideas? They got the idea for the xbox off their conjunction with Sega on the Dreamcast. I know your not trying to say a company that hijacks ideas is “leading” the new age.

           At least Sony was original by being the first to put out the adult oriented games. Microsoft should have died out long ago and eventually they will when they run out of ideas to copy. At the end of the day it’s just down to who has the better internet service and console exclusive games. Sony can never compete with Nintendo they are the leaders of innovation and their own separate niche gaming market they created. Think about it. People will buy a Wii just to play Zelda,Mario, or Metroid. Whose going to buy a PS3 because a new Crash Bandicoot game is coming out? (yeah I took it there!). If anything Ps3 has Metal gear and Xbox has Halo but think about it. After what 2 or 3 consoles these series have already died out.

          Mario and Link have been around since what? The 80′s? Just saying you don’t mess with Nintendo. They don’t just beat competition they put them out of business. Think of all the consoles that came out and fell under mario’s boot. Their strongest runner was Sega and look what happened to them. Sonic is Mario’s b*tch now. Sega was dangerous because they actually innovated. The Sega CD,32X,Saturn, DreamCast, Sega Channel ETC. I mean that’s some serious innovation. Since Sega dropped out the game Nintendo honestly hasn’t had a real competitor. Nintendo isn’t worried about Sony or Microsoft they don’t care. If this is gamings peak and the best those two consoles can do is have good graphics, endless shooter titles, an option of playing blueray movies, and trying to steal and adapt ideas from Nintendo themselves, than why should they care? Sony and Microsoft aren’t innovators when it comes to changing how games are played and how the user interacts with them. You sit down and still play games on those systems the same way you would if this was 1988.

          Nintendo’s been aiming to change that couch potato experience and that’s what they’re doing. Sega thought like Nintendo and tried to do the same but their ideas came too early and they died to soon. If anything Nintendo’s only real threat is Sega jumping back into the console game and giving them real competition again. By now they already understand how all 3 manufactures operate as they have worked with all of them. I’m sure if they had the proper investments and design teams they could do some serious damage.

          Just saying.

          • http://www.saisasylum.com/ Sai

            Like I said to someone else you’re basing success on financial success only? In that case Call of Duty must be superior to every other game ever made, since it sells so much, right?

            It outsold other consoles because the Wii was on daytime talk shows and was appealing to housewives and old people and other people who don’t typically play video games. And these people don’t buy Mario or Zelda, they buy Game Party, Wii Fit, and reams of shovelware. This consumer base isn’t going to be permanent, how many of these people who rushed out to buy a Wii because they saw it on Oprah, or Regis and Kelly are going to keep playing it? How many are going to buy WiiU?

            In response to the accusations that Nintendo was ignoring it’s loyal traditional fanbase they just threw out a bunch of remakes. Or in the case of Mario Allstars just stuck a Super Nintendo game on a Wii disc.

            And the Sony Playstation came about because Nintendo backed out of a deal with them for a CD add-on for SNES. So what?

            People buy PS3s for like, God of War. Or Infamous. Crash Bandicoot, really? Is your knowledge of Sony products stuck in the 90′s or something? I don’t even own a PS3 or intend on owning one any time soon but I still know why it appeals to people.

            And you know what, I DID buy a Wii just for Mario and Zelda. And I began to realize how much those games were boring me because they were exactly like their predecessors. I didn’t even pick up Mario Kart, and it’s biggest feature was having the same levels as the Gamecube version. Ugh.

            Yeah the 80′s. Nintendo has been able to ride on their fandom until now but it’s beginning to grow stale. They can only stretch it so far, and for many of us it’s already stretched too thin.

            Sega’s downfall was their own doing, they just had terrible timing for everything they did. They announced at an E3 that the Saturn would be on shelves the next day… without informing any retailers of this. They released the Dreamcast, barely supported it, and then let it die quickly. It had nothing to do with Nintendo and everything to do with Sega’s corporate end being incompetent.

            What’s wrong with sitting down to play games? Until we have like holodecks that’s the way it ought to be. Having to jump around and flail your arms is just distracting, it draws you out of the game because you have to concentrate on doing the exact right movement to get the game to do what you want rather than just press a button and make it happen, making the process between thought and action on the screen nearly instant which is far more immersive.

            Gaming isn’t being a “couch potato”, and if you think that you’re either not a gamer or don’t play games that are very mentally stimulating. Gaming is an interactive and thinking process. It’s not like watching TV where you just sit drooling while information is shoved into your head, you have to actually DO something with the information while you’re gaming. I manage to be a gamer AND get exercise, I don’t need my gaming, which is my leisure hobby, to be my exercise.

          • Anonymous

            Adult games started with the Atari. So you really can’t give Sony any credit for making “adult oriented games” because… Custer’s Revenge came out in 1982. Sega died for not having as much direction in their technology, they tried a lot of innovative stuff though. It was just buried under their poor design practices and bad timing.

  • Anonymous

    “Nintendo doesn’t seem to do anything new or interesting OH MY GOD MASS EFFECT 3 they just rehash the same series over and over OH DEAR LORD ELDER SCROLLS 5 it’s like they can’t come up with anything new at all OH MY TINGLY BALLS DEUS EX 3!!!!”

    You’re being more than a little hypocritical here, Spoony.

    EVERYBODY in the games industry is giving us what we want, which is sequels, sequels and more sequels.

    At the very least, Nintendo has the good sense to not recycle their games every one or two years, and when they do dip back into their vault they tend to bring them back with something that makes the game play completely differently from the last go-round.

    I’m just as excited for Skyward Sword as I am for Deus Ex, and honestly, anybody who outright dismisses Skyward Sword as “just another Ocarina of Time clone” is just being cynical for the sake of being cynical.

    Well, at least you saved yourself $60 at the end of the year.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Nathan-Ellis/100002419726549 Nathan Ellis

    spoony is right, it’s sad but he is, i disagree with him about 25% of the time, not because he’s wrong, but because we have different tastes, like i loved avatar, the first 2 x-men movies, mortal kombat and the list goes on, but i can’t argue. Deus Ex and Skyrim are things to be excited about because we have been waiting sooo much longer for them than nintendo’s re-packaged zelda and mario games. we get an incarnation of the major nintendo titles every 3 years, not to mention there are so many of them (mario kart, mario party, mario galaxy, the ds zelda games the zelda console games) we’re only waiting a few months until we’re supposed to be excited about something “new” and”innovative” again, when we’re really just paying money for clone’s and disappointing hardware prototypes. honestly, even with sony and microsoft we’re just wading through the messy trial and error period of virtual reality. motion control, so far, is not fun unless you’re with friends. and guess what? you can only use one wii u controller per console. fun

    But, nintendo rocks. it and atari started it all. the pokemon games are my guilty pleasure and anyone who doesn’t think they are great rpg’s is chroming their nerd ego. and i will be in the long line to buy skyward sword.

    the point remains, how long do we have to sit through this mediocrity and act like idiots who will buy anything? when the booth babes at e3 look un-impressed you know we’re heading in the wrong direction.

    • Anonymous

       To be fair, Nintendo has never sold anything that you can fairly call a prototype and it’s been almost 5 years now since the launch of the Wii. Five years is a really common console life cycle. The Nintendo franchises aren’t the only thing they focus on either. Pikmin was released in late 2001 and if you check the sales figures Mario party 4 (released the next year) sold better (eventually by nearly double) Pikmin (a completely new game in every respect) over the short AND long term.

      So I really wouldn’t point fingers at Nintendo. They keep giving their fans games that they want and each game in the franchise often stays very true to the original, something Square should’ve fucking learned to do twenty years ago.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Nathan-Ellis/100002419726549 Nathan Ellis

        square has fallen hard and  keeps falling. but we get a new FF with completely different game mechanics every few years .

        I’m not saying the new ff games are good, and they certainly alienate fans of previous installments.

        But we aren’t playing a slightly different FF7 over and over again.

        How many times do you need to beat Ganon before you stop buying zelda games? Even though Super Mario Sunshine and Super Mario Galaxy were good game changers for nintendo. These fun gimmicks will fade. In 30 years, gamers are still going to look back on the original Super Mario Bros. and Ocarina of Time with good memories and demand the same games over and over again.

        Perhaps deep down I’m mad because I would rather have seen one real Starfox or F-zero game on the Wii instead of the 20 mario games we got.

        I admire square for it’s good hearted intention to tell a story, and it’s bravery to crash and burn by trying new things. Nintendo plays it safe. adds new hardware to the same software.
        I dislike standing up for Squarenix, I sold FF13 after 10 hours of play. But when they do manage to tell another great story it will be far more memorable than Twilight Princess.

        • http://twitter.com/RocMegamanX RocMegamanX

          “I admire square for it’s good hearted intention to tell a story, and it’s bravery to crash and burn by trying new things.”
          Especially since that bravery almost KILLED that company more than 20 years ago.

        • Anonymous

          Your argument is clearly cobbled together from various claims you’ve read on the internet. I doubt you’ve played any of the games you are now denigrating.

          And Square isn’t telling new or good stories. They are telling simple, mindless, poorly told stories that barely bring anything new to the table when they are original. Their mechanics alone push the player so far away that it’s worthless to do anything other than move to the next cutscene.

          Watch a movie.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Nathan-Ellis/100002419726549 Nathan Ellis

            good idea, i need to get your drivel out of my head. And i think i should take it as flattery that you think my opinions are article worthy.

    • Anonymous

      But the wiiU still uses wii remotes, classic controller and all other wii peripherals so the fun of using motion controls with your friends would still be there, just switched up because only one guy would have the WiiU controller so there would be two types of motion controls going on at once.

      I do hope that later on nintendo allows for more than one WiiU per console, maybe through a patch because just one per console really shoots some of the potential in the foot.And I’l be right behind you in the line for skyward sword.

    • Anonymous

      But the wiiU still uses wii remotes, classic controller and all other wii peripherals so the fun of using motion controls with your friends would still be there, just switched up because only one guy would have the WiiU controller so there would be two types of motion controls going on at once.

      I do hope that later on nintendo allows for more than one WiiU per console, maybe through a patch because just one per console really shoots some of the potential in the foot.And I’l be right behind you in the line for skyward sword.

    • Anonymous

      The last Elder Scrolls game came out the same year that Twilight Princess came out.  We’ve literally been waiting for the same amount of time for a proper sequel.  We’re likely going to have a long wait for the next Smash too (it hasn’t even started development yet).    

      We’ve been waiting even longer for a new Pikmin though, so it’s kind of annoying to see them sweeping Pikmin 3 under the rug year after year.  

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Nathan-Ellis/100002419726549 Nathan Ellis

    spoony is right, it’s sad but he is, i disagree with him about 25% of the time, not because he’s wrong, but because we have different tastes, like i loved avatar, the first 2 x-men movies, mortal kombat and the list goes on, but i can’t argue. Deus Ex and Skyrim are things to be excited about because we have been waiting sooo much longer for them than nintendo’s re-packaged zelda and mario games. we get an incarnation of the major nintendo titles every 3 years, not to mention there are so many of them (mario kart, mario party, mario galaxy, the ds zelda games the zelda console games) we’re only waiting a few months until we’re supposed to be excited about something “new” and”innovative” again, when we’re really just paying money for clone’s and disappointing hardware prototypes. honestly, even with sony and microsoft we’re just wading through the messy trial and error period of virtual reality. motion control, so far, is not fun unless you’re with friends. and guess what? you can only use one wii u controller per console. fun

    But, nintendo rocks. it and atari started it all. the pokemon games are my guilty pleasure and anyone who doesn’t think they are great rpg’s is chroming their nerd ego. and i will be in the long line to buy skyward sword.

    the point remains, how long do we have to sit through this mediocrity and act like idiots who will buy anything? when the booth babes at e3 look un-impressed you know we’re heading in the wrong direction.

  • Phillip Bagley

    I think you’re really pinning Nintendo between a rock and a hard place here, Spoony. On one hand, you accuse Nintendo of rehashing the same games again and again, but on the other, you instantly dismiss anything new that they make as a gimmick that solely exists to extort more money.

    I believe that Nintendo’s problem is the own size of their company and how long they’ve existed. Try to name one genre of game that they haven’t dabbled in. You can’t. So of course everything seems like a spin-off of they’re older games. You even admit it yourself that both Mass Effect 3 and Uncharted 3 look exactly alike they’re prequels. They are just new enough not to be looked down upon. 

    Then, you get to their consoles, which is an entirely different matter. They know that there are people out there like you who are getting tired of their franchises, so they try to make new gaming peripherals to make the experience better and more immersive. But the “hardcore” gamers call this gimmicky and kiddie-oriented. But, whether you like it or not, Nintendo is moving gaming in general forward.

    Bottom line here, Nintendo is not doing anything differently than any other company, they just don’t feel the need to have 700 series that all are exactly the same and instead choose to have one series with 700 games that are exactly the same. You aren’t giving Nintendo as much credit as they deserve, Spoony One.

    • http://twitter.com/RocMegamanX RocMegamanX

      I don’t think Nintendo has dabbled in Real Time Strategy or Survival Horror(correcct me if I’m wrong). 

      I think Fire Emblem and Advance Wars are turn-based strategy.Racing? Done that.Flight Simulator? Do Starfox and Pilotwings count?RPG? Definitely.Platformer? NO BRAINER.Action/Adventure? Metroid and Zelda.First person shooter? Unfortunately, Metroid Prime counts(I REALLY dislike Metroid Prime)Scrolling shmup? Solar Striker and Starfox.
      Fighting game? Smash Bros, and this little known Japan-only game called Joy Mecha Fight.
      Puzzle games? They’ve had those in droves.

      If people are complaining about lack of innovative IPs, then I ask you this? How sure are you that the new IPs would sell? If they don’t sell, they lose money. The more money they lose, the more the company is financially threatened. THAT’S why they stick to what they know, which is Mario, Zelda, etc and why they’re reluctant to even make more F-Zero games.

  • Anonymous

    Luigi’s Mansion was awesome and we have waited years for another. Don’t you knock it.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Josh-Taylor/523378875 Josh Taylor

      The only thing I’m bummed about is that the creator said that the original Luigi’s Mansion scared little girls so they’re making some, though probably small changes.

  • Anonymous

    Mario’s Time Machine.

    Oh God.

    I have that game.  I wish I didn’t.

  • Anonymous

    Mario’s Time Machine.

    Oh God.

    I have that game.  I wish I didn’t.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Kevin-Travis/100001864476153 Kevin Travis

    Spoony, you trollin’. You blast Nintendo recycling IPs when you cream your pants over Skyrim, Deus Ex 3, Mass Effect 3, and Batman: Arkham City. That’s how the industry goes, man. Sequels all day every day. Stop being so cynical. :P

    • Anonymous

      Missing the point I see.
      Spoony never said there was anything wrong with sequels. He pointed out Nintendo keep releasing the SAME game repackaged.

      Eg: OoT…again, now in 3D. Or Starfox…again, now in 3D. Or Mario Kart again, now in 3D.

      Everytime Nintendo come up with a new hardware idea, they just release the same game.
      Now I used to be a big Nintendo fan, the were once great. But since the N64 they have just rehashed everything they have done.
      Yes they come up with “interesting” (Spoony useage of the word) ideas.
      His views on the new Zelda game were not of it being a sequel, more a fact it’s been the same game since OoT and remained unchanged with no inovation.
      Yet it’s was inovation Nintendo were famous for. Now they take pre-existing ideas and just repackage them.

      Yes the N64 was great. OoT was a masterpiece, Mario 64 was the only 3D platformer that actually worked.
      Yet here was are being shown the SAME game with added motion control or 3D.

      Let’s just take a few guess on what “new” games will come out for the Wii U. Mario Kart, a “new” Zelda which will be the same as the last one, a Mario platformer and several Mario Party games…yawn.

      Skyrim, Arkham City, Mass Effect 3 maybe sequels. But they are early sequels, there are not part of a long running franchise that was tiresome 10 years ago. They are also not the same game re-released due to a “new” hardware idea.
      That’s the difference.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Kevin-Travis/100001864476153 Kevin Travis

        The fact that he said that means he clearly didn’t play Skyward Sword at all, because the game doesn’t even retain the same structure as previous Zelda games. According to actual game critics, that is.

        • http://www.facebook.com/SonOfAnarchy19 Matt Gingerich

          Most of the games you’re mentioning( with the exception of Deus Ex.) Are all ending after this game( or suppose to end the series.) Best example is Skyrim and how it’s recycling ideas. Skyrim is supposed to be the end of the Elder Scroll series; every game in the past lead to the events of Skyrim. Mass effect 3, same thing, this is the final confrontation with the Reaper’s on .

          Zelda And Mario are both suffering from old age at this point, Because their is no ending for both series in sight, They trudge onwards towards mediocrity, almost every 3d adventure beyond Mario 64 have become more boring, because you have to do the same old things again and again, collet things, have enough to continue on, and collect more things. Nothing NEW or Exciting about it.( this does include Galaxy 2). My only enjoyment from the series now is just play the older games that I own, and feel nostalgic about them and how good they used to be.

        • http://www.facebook.com/SonOfAnarchy19 Matt Gingerich

          Most of the games you’re mentioning( with the exception of Deus Ex.) Are all ending after this game( or suppose to end the series.) Best example is Skyrim and how it’s recycling ideas. Skyrim is supposed to be the end of the Elder Scroll series; every game in the past lead to the events of Skyrim. Mass effect 3, same thing, this is the final confrontation with the Reaper’s on .

          Zelda And Mario are both suffering from old age at this point, Because their is no ending for both series in sight, They trudge onwards towards mediocrity, almost every 3d adventure beyond Mario 64 have become more boring, because you have to do the same old things again and again, collet things, have enough to continue on, and collect more things. Nothing NEW or Exciting about it.( this does include Galaxy 2). My only enjoyment from the series now is just play the older games that I own, and feel nostalgic about them and how good they used to be.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Balthazar-Crane/605751145 Balthazar Crane

        Yes, Mass Effect isn’t the same game re-released due to a “new” hardware idea.

        It’s just the same game re-released with new bells and whistles, gameplay relatively unchanged.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Kevin-Travis/100001864476153 Kevin Travis

    Spoony, you trollin’. You blast Nintendo recycling IPs when you cream your pants over Skyrim, Deus Ex 3, Mass Effect 3, and Batman: Arkham City. That’s how the industry goes, man. Sequels all day every day. Stop being so cynical. :P

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Kevin-Travis/100001864476153 Kevin Travis

    Spoony, you trollin’. You blast Nintendo recycling IPs when you cream your pants over Skyrim, Deus Ex 3, Mass Effect 3, and Batman: Arkham City. That’s how the industry goes, man. Sequels all day every day. Stop being so cynical. :P

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Anthony-Noway/100000447709009 Anthony Noway

    The Wii U… is strange. Nintendo is gonna find them in a similar situation to where they are in now if their system is only a little bit stronger than a PS3. It’ll happen later in the life cycle and perhaps to a lesser degree, but it’ll happen.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Kevin-Travis/100001864476153 Kevin Travis

      Current reports are that it’s 50% stronger than PS3 and 360, but that’s on underclocked hardware. At least that’s what the 3rd parties are saying.

  • http://twitter.com/nymphonomicon Doctor Madness

    Where’d that Spoonyphone come from? Did you bring your own or do the E3 people have mics lying around for reviewers to slap their own logo/graphic on?

  • Joe Schmoe

    Here’s my take on it.

    He’s right.
    I don’t care, still will probably buy it.
    Everyone else, shut the fuck up and buy or don’t buy it.

    What is with you people and coming to the offense or defense because another person did or did not agree with you? Don’t you have more better things to do with your time?

  • http://www.facebook.com/ericjones1983 Eric Jones

    Currently, this topic has 4 times as many comments as the average Spoony post.

    If this proves ones thing, it’s that the fastest way to get attention on the internet is rip Nintendo.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Balthazar-Crane/605751145 Balthazar Crane

    I’m disappointed that you failed to mention games like Kid Icarus, which are completely new.

    And to say that the Wii U is just another motion controller is quite narrow minded. After going on the tirade about normal controllers, Nintendo gives you a normal controller and you still decided to rip on it. Gaming’s gotta change one way or another, and traditional controllers are not the be all and end all. It’s nice to see a bit of change, and the Wii U can be played traditionally. As well as in new ways.

    I’m usually on board with you Spoony, but I can’t on this one.

  • Anonymous

    I agree. As an owner of a wii, unfortunately I completely agree. While I have games that I love on the wii, I am amazed at the crap Nintendo is putting out. It feels like instead of being for the “hard core” gamer as well as casual gamers, it feels like all they did was cater to the casual, soccer mom gamer(?) with a billion kids. Seriously, the wii fit can go fuck itself. The rehashing is getting old as well. I am so sick of the same old Zelda formula. If they are going to do more Zelda, just branch out or admit you’ve taken the series as far as it can go.

    With that said, I do still like my wii and the games I bought for it (Okami and No More Heroes are really awesome games, and use the wii remote but don’t make it a gimmick) but sadly, I don’t think I will buy any more Nintendo stuff unless they come up with something new.

  • Anonymous

    I agree. As an owner of a wii, unfortunately I completely agree. While I have games that I love on the wii, I am amazed at the crap Nintendo is putting out. It feels like instead of being for the “hard core” gamer as well as casual gamers, it feels like all they did was cater to the casual, soccer mom gamer(?) with a billion kids. Seriously, the wii fit can go fuck itself. The rehashing is getting old as well. I am so sick of the same old Zelda formula. If they are going to do more Zelda, just branch out or admit you’ve taken the series as far as it can go.

    With that said, I do still like my wii and the games I bought for it (Okami and No More Heroes are really awesome games, and use the wii remote but don’t make it a gimmick) but sadly, I don’t think I will buy any more Nintendo stuff unless they come up with something new.

  • Anonymous

    I agree. As an owner of a wii, unfortunately I completely agree. While I have games that I love on the wii, I am amazed at the crap Nintendo is putting out. It feels like instead of being for the “hard core” gamer as well as casual gamers, it feels like all they did was cater to the casual, soccer mom gamer(?) with a billion kids. Seriously, the wii fit can go fuck itself. The rehashing is getting old as well. I am so sick of the same old Zelda formula. If they are going to do more Zelda, just branch out or admit you’ve taken the series as far as it can go.

    With that said, I do still like my wii and the games I bought for it (Okami and No More Heroes are really awesome games, and use the wii remote but don’t make it a gimmick) but sadly, I don’t think I will buy any more Nintendo stuff unless they come up with something new.

    • http://twitter.com/RocMegamanX RocMegamanX

      How DO you want them to “branch out” as far as Zelda goes?

  • http://www.facebook.com/GodInABox Tom Teal Lines

    I know you’re not interested, but there ARE a couple of interesting 3ds games. You didn’t look at kid icarus…

  • http://www.facebook.com/GodInABox Tom Teal Lines

    I know you’re not interested, but there ARE a couple of interesting 3ds games. You didn’t look at kid icarus…

  • Anonymous

    Nintendo actually puts some Wee at U.

  • http://twitter.com/gelidalex Alex Matthews

    To tell the truth, I kinda like the concept of WiiU, but it really makes no sense to put it out instead of anew console, which is what I was expecting from this year’s Nintendo conference. Basically what it feels like is an iPad hooked to my Wii. And my Wii is looking pretty old by now, and I don’t know how much of a difference the U would make. I’m waiting for Wii Mark 2, and that’s where WiiU kinda helps me build up hope – if they are finally starting to be concerned with graphics, the new console ought to be more impressive than the last ones. Truthfully, Nintendo has pretty much lost the race, what they need is a pretty fucking sweet horse. I’m hoping for a network on the new console, I’m hoping for better graphics, I’m hoping for new games. I’m a huge Nintendo fangirl, but they’ve been losing their shit for years now.

    Regarding Zelda (and other Nintendo staples, but mostly Zelda), I love it. I’m a huge fan, and even though it’s true that they basically rehash the same storyline, I’m excited for every new game that comes out in the series. I’m pretty impressed with SS right now, and I hope for a bit of an explanation regarding the continuity issues (I’m not holding my breath, but y’know, it could happen).  To be completely honest, though, I felt Twilight Princess was shit, I violently disliked the wolf mechanics and the general feel of the game. Particularly the fact that it was soooo fucking easy. I’m hoping for something a bit different this time, I’m liking the flight mechanics and hope there’s more of it in-game, and the fact that it’s basically an origin story is what’s got me hooked at the moment.

    Bottom line is, Nintendo needs to step up their game and attract new game developers who might be able to tell new stories through a medium we (Nintendo fanboys and-girls) love so much. I wouldn’t want them to take away too much of the classical Nintendo feel, but Nintendo does require a whiff of fresh air. More like a tornado, actually.

  • http://twitter.com/gelidalex Alex Matthews

    To tell the truth, I kinda like the concept of WiiU, but it really makes no sense to put it out instead of anew console, which is what I was expecting from this year’s Nintendo conference. Basically what it feels like is an iPad hooked to my Wii. And my Wii is looking pretty old by now, and I don’t know how much of a difference the U would make. I’m waiting for Wii Mark 2, and that’s where WiiU kinda helps me build up hope – if they are finally starting to be concerned with graphics, the new console ought to be more impressive than the last ones. Truthfully, Nintendo has pretty much lost the race, what they need is a pretty fucking sweet horse. I’m hoping for a network on the new console, I’m hoping for better graphics, I’m hoping for new games. I’m a huge Nintendo fangirl, but they’ve been losing their shit for years now.

    Regarding Zelda (and other Nintendo staples, but mostly Zelda), I love it. I’m a huge fan, and even though it’s true that they basically rehash the same storyline, I’m excited for every new game that comes out in the series. I’m pretty impressed with SS right now, and I hope for a bit of an explanation regarding the continuity issues (I’m not holding my breath, but y’know, it could happen).  To be completely honest, though, I felt Twilight Princess was shit, I violently disliked the wolf mechanics and the general feel of the game. Particularly the fact that it was soooo fucking easy. I’m hoping for something a bit different this time, I’m liking the flight mechanics and hope there’s more of it in-game, and the fact that it’s basically an origin story is what’s got me hooked at the moment.

    Bottom line is, Nintendo needs to step up their game and attract new game developers who might be able to tell new stories through a medium we (Nintendo fanboys and-girls) love so much. I wouldn’t want them to take away too much of the classical Nintendo feel, but Nintendo does require a whiff of fresh air. More like a tornado, actually.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Robert-Smith/100001371066080 Robert Smith

    Sony showed Vita. That impressed me way more than WiiU (gimmicky crap).

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TQMZPLSBZBYGWEQKF4RYW632UE Beau

    Eh, Spoony’s review just came off as typical anti-Nintendo internet fanboy statements to me. It’s always the same ol’ “wah wah wah motion controls are evil, Nintendo is destroying hardcore gaming” statements over, and over again from these people. Now that Nintendo’s trying to bring more “hardcore” button-games to their consoles, people are still complaining they arn’t “hardcore” enough.
    (And just because a game like Wii Sports is something anybody can play doesn’t make it bad, or unchallenging. Remember Duck Hunt?)

    If somebody doesn’t like Nintendo stuff that much, why have them review it? It’d be like having an anti-PS3 person talk about how much the PS3 “sucks.” Would you Sony-fans appreciate that?
    Personally, I’m not bothered by the current line-up on the Wii, 3DS, or WiiU. I don’t even mind remakes like Star Fox 64 3D. (Especially, considering all the “new” Star Fox games sense then were semi-crappy, and SF64 looks like a nice remake.)
    I find it ironic he claims the Zelda series is just “Ocarina of Time” over and over again, (while somewhat true, I think each game has had it’s own unique flavor, difficulty-level, improvements, or differences. Majora’s Mask certainly was different) he doesn’t seem to realize that those games he adores/mentioned on 360 & PS3 like Mass Effect & Batman are just the same thing as their predessessors, as well.
    I dunno, I find his remarks waaay to biased personally.

    Also, “Mario’s Time Machine” wasn’t even made by Nintendo so you can’t blame them for that aardvark.

    • Pentti Uusivirta

       This being a typical Nintendo internet fanboy post.

      • Pentti Uusivirta

         Also, quotation marks are supposed to signify what was said, not to modify the words to your liking. And the Wii Sports is not bad because anyone can play it, it’s bad because it becomes boring in an hour.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/5QARP7E4T7YJCSIM3MBBF23UEM Stuart

    I’m pretty sure this won’t stop anyone,but please your hurting EVERYONE.It’s not helping it’s
    just a bunch of opinions you cant validate because there opinions,but you could agree to
    disagree leave it at that,and hopefully no one’s feelings will be hurt.I know his opinion is brash and a tad bit insulting,but you are doing the same thing Nintendo fans.To the non Nintendo fans don’t insult other peoples opinion.Now I know that you simply want to vocalize your opinion,but your just being mean.Good night.

  • David Arseneau

    I wouldn’t yawn at a new Paper Mario game. The Paper Mario series is by far the best Nintendo has done in terms of story-telling, dialogue writing, character development, and overall design. Yes, the story is often cheesy, but it’s nice to have a fun, light-hearted, humorous adventure in a rpg for a change.
    Paper Mario: The Thousand-year Door is easily one of the best rpgs/platformer on a Nintendo console. I’d rank it just below other classics like Chrono Trigger, Final Fantasy VI, Super Mario RPG, and EarthBound and Mother 3.

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