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Battlestar Galactica

A Review by Noah Antwiler

As I sat in my Fortress of Bitterness, organizing all the love letters Morgan Webb has sent me into protective plastic covers, I grew troubled at the state of gamer movies today. Expectations are so low anymore that the announcement of a new comic book adaptation is met with groans rather than excitement. Video game adaptations are virtually ignored, and as Serenity proved, sci-fi doesn't sell. For a moment I felt irrelevant, as if my work was completed. But then I turned on the television and soon realized that there was much work yet to do! There is a scourge on this land, polluting TiVO hard drives across the country and wasting the collective time of millions-- time better spent lobbying for a new George Takei Star Trek spinoff series (I know that issue has been dead for a while, but God I wish I knew how to quit him). It's time someone finally shined the light of truth on this phantom menace, and I'm that light...shiner...guy. In this special Gamer's Rant, it's time you heard the truth about Battlestar Galactica.

I know where you think I'm going with this, because anytime someone bashes the new Galactica series they think it's because of the decision to change the character of Starbuck into a woman. I never even bothered to compare the re-envisioned series to the old one, but I'll play that game for now. Frankly I don't care what they did with Starbuck because it could only have been an improvement. News flash, fanboys: The new series sucks like an Aaron Spelling vampire drama, and the old show sucked too. Don't even send me your putrid, whining hate-mail about how it was a sweeping, epic space opera with complex characters and compelling stories. It was a kitchy, badly-scripted mess of a series that played more like a sitcom than a drama, with such award-worthy plots as the Cowboy Cylon and the planet of Nazi Terrans. Just think about it real hard before you pick a fight on this score, because I can crack out tapes of Galactica 1980 if you really want to rumble. Yeah, Galactica 1980, where the ship finally reaches Earth and the crew is completely flummoxed by common modern annoyances like traffic jams. "They must be excellent pilots to be able to stay in formation at such slow speeds."

This is humanity's last hope, folks.

It's my analysis that the new Galactica series is so popular because the first stage of grief is denial. Science fiction fans are so hungry for a good show that they'll latch onto the few that are available and fool themselves into thinking they're worth watching. After a few months the infatuation dies and the show's crippling flaws can no longer be denied (just look at Lost). The story is basic: in a far-flung galactic civilization, humanity created a race of giant robot slaves that (who would have thunk it) attained sentience and rebelled. During truce negotiations, the Cylons launch a Pearl Harbor attack and wipe out the 13 Terran colonies, leaving only a single Battlestar vessel and a large convoy of refugee vessels. The colonies sterilized, the government chain of command is shattered and so the Secretary of Education is depressingly the next in the chain of succession. It inspires about as much confidence as Margaret Spellings, current U.S. Secretary of Education and 16th in the line of succession being sworn into office. It's not a comforting thought to imagine Ms. Spellings commanding our military forces in Iraq, but then, look who's doing it right now.

The show is almost, almost saved by Commander Adama, played by the supremely awesome Edward James Olmos, whose badassery alone elevates every scene he appears in. He's changed quite a bit from his almost unrecognizable appearance as Gaff in Blade Runner, but even then you could see the sheer star power in that man. It helps that Olmos is the core of the ensemble cast, whose sublime acting carries every nuance of a battle-wearied senior officer with the weight of the entire human race's survival hanging around his neck. It's just a shame that the rest of the show fails to keep up so badly, both in acting and technical aspects. Adama holds down the fort, but it's with the pilots that the war against the Cylons is fought, and it's there that the show falls on its face.

The only redeemable aspect of this show.

The action focus of the show is Starbuck, the hard-drinking, cigar-smoking, authority-bucking-- dare I use the term?-- bitch who not only is the best pilot in the fleet, but everyone knows it. The problem with Starbuck isn't that the character is a woman, it's that she's so caustic and unlikable that she comes across as a boozing, ticking time-bomb of mental problems and irresponsibility who, while a good pilot, is so insubordinate and dangerously negligent that she's directly responsible for the deaths of more of her wingmates than the Cylons themselves. Her continued career on the Galactica is puzzling, as I don't know a military force in any galaxy that would tolerate an officer who would strike their XO and change flight assignments on vital missions because she's too hung over to fly. She's smug, condescending, antisocial, self-centered, and a borderline sociopath (like me, but I have better hair and look sexier in a sports bra). Her spoiled brat attitude is understandable in the sense that she's the only pilot in any fleet that's worth a damn, including Apollo, and the fact has gone to her head. The other Viper pilots are about as combat effective as Communists in a Chuck Norris movie. As much as it must pain Adama to admit it, the only way anything gets done out in space is with Starbuck flying.

My own personal peeve is the inclusion of Hot Blonde Cylon, so-called by myself because she's given no name in the show. She's a particularly transparent ploy to titillate the young male nerd demographic and satisfy their latent urge to mate with an anatomically-correct female android, because real chicks don't understand them. HBC is a nearly omnipresent figure in every scene, hovering as a hallucinatory faux-Rebecca Romijn in every scene featuring Dr. Baltar. Her role is particularly annoying because, as a robot, several copies of her exist. This fact makes her virtually impossible to eradicate, and by virtue of multiplicity, she can be involved in every damn story arc on the show. At least Rebecca Romijn's (the only reason anyone watched X-Men 2, let's be honest) seductive wiles were kept more subtle. Hot Blonde Cylon, on the other hand, spends every waking second of the show prancing around in skimpy clothes and performing phantasmal fellatio on Dr. Baltar. This means that Baltar is almost constantly looking completely bushwhacked and guilty at all times, and is often caught humping his own chair during important presidential meetings. HBC's involvement in the show is so pervasive that I've actually grown tired of staring at her breasts. Do you have any idea how long a guy can stare at boobs without interruption before tiring of it? Two years. (Divorced readers, look back on your old marriage and tell me that timeframe's not right!)

The sleeper-hit of BSG is Boomer (Grace Park) whose 1970s counterpart was also hit with a transgender ray and turned into a hawt pilot. She's undeniably beautiful, but much like Jolene Blalock, not much of a reason to watch an inferior turd of a space show. Can you imagine how many episodes of Enterprise they tried to salvage by padding it out with scenes of T'Pol getting smeared in ointment or meditating nude with that hillbilly bridge officer? Gag. Just Google Image Search her and find what Maxim photos smarter nerds have scanned already and save yourself the time. Why so many guys waste their time suffering through BSG is beyond me. I'm beyond such rude, base objectification of women. Besides, you want to talk hot chicks, I've done such foul things mentally to all the women in Firefly I ought to be arrested. I'll take Jewel Staite over anyone in television right now. Except Morgan Webb. She's mine.

Hey, don't laugh. I mean it. I'll sword fight you right now. Back off!

Oh Boomer ...

The biggest change that I can spot in the new series is the notion that the Cylons have remodeled themselves so that they look human, nearly indistinguishable from homo sapiens in every regard. Luckily, Edward James Olmos is well trained in retiring Replicants, even the tricky Nexus-6 Cylons. Not only could anyone be a Cylon, but some of them are sleeper agents who don't even know that they evolved from toasters. It's just a terribly frustrating idea to me because I know that at any time the writers can just sweep the rug out from under the audience by revealing a major cast member was a Cylon all along, and there's no point trying to predict who it is (but that won't stop Internet geeks). It's the writing equivalent of a kidney punch to sucker an audience like that.

Dammit, she's everywhere!

The scripts are a shambles of half-realized characters and spontaneous romances of plot convenience. Melodrama plagues most of the subplots, such as Boomer's baby (Baby Boomer?), Apollo's dead girlfriend, Starbuck's bore of a dead boyfriend, Tigh's boozing, and Baltar's inability to stop playing with himself in public. The editing is some of the worst I've seen in television. The current trend in BSG is to shoot each episode in very chaotic staggered flashback sequences, where we start the episode at the climax of the action, and progressively flash back to the events leading up to it. It's unnecessary and harder to follow than trying to watch Memento stoned. Not a good experience, I can tell you. What's worse, I've noticed several scenes shown in the opening "previously, on Battlestar Galactica" sequences that were never aired! How can we make sense of the show when the editors can't?

I just can't take the bloody show anymore. Apollo is a complete wuss, Starbuck's very existence annoys me in a way that makes me pray daily for her death. I haven't done that since Boone & Shannon. Remember folks, it's only the best spacer show around because there aren't any others. Now if you'll excuse me, I have to write some Inara/Kaylee lemon and Mal/Book shonen-ai fanfiction for my website.

  • dennett316
    I've got to agree with Spoony here, though I will say I found the series merely mediocre.
    The "anyone can be a Cylon" shit is hack writing at it's laziest, and can result in there being no foreshadowing of any kind, just BAM - he/she's a Cylon and it's all so meaningful and earnest.
    I watched the first season on HD DVD - mostly to test out this HD thing - and a few episodes of the second season until the urge to continue was ground out of me by the relentless drudge of the pacing and camera work. It's a hard show to watch at times...not entertaining in the least. When watching a show seems too much like hard work you know something's wrong.
  • cheesecake
    First of all, i know i am months late for this thread, but its stronger than me, i have to give my opinion on the matter.
    A friend of mine tried to convince me for over a year (almost 2 years) to watch bsg. Since i always hated sci-fi, laughed at star trek, slept during star wars marathon i tried to do just before they released episode 1 (which didnt help at all get me into sci-fi ) i strongly resisted for all that time. The only thing that keep me still interested in this genre is the hope that someday a story, movies or series, can get 1/4 th of the awesomness of asimov world. (i pray that when they adapt foundation for screens that they dont mess it up, but i already can see it coming...and i cry at night...). That said, i dont regret at all seeing bsg 4 seasons. Yes it is cheesy on many levels, yes it has flaws, yes some characters are annoying, but all in all, its one of those rare series that kept me interested and entertained. Had one of my biggest tv moments (most of u will think "lame", i just know it :P) when starbucks played the song on the piano, just plain awesome, in my opinion anyway. Theres also one of the best rescue mission ever when they save new caprica enslaved population ( yes it is cheesy, still awesome). The ending of the serie wasnt worth an OMG, but was still satisfying in my opinion (lot more satisfying than the sopranos ending, which have nothing to do at all with probably this whole site lol). Anyway, bsg was good, not perfect, not amazing, still pretty good.

    Now with lost, which a lot of peoples seem to dislike on these comments, im not sure why peoples complain that this serie give no explanations , or at least not enough. The title of this god damn show is LOST...what did you expect? tom hanks on a deserted island?? Seriously, i dont think i have any example of perfection on anything on cinema/television, the show have many flaw and plotholes (kinda hard to not have holes when you deal with the idea of time/space travel but anyway) BUT , as the show go on theres more and more answers, and its one of those rare shows when u actually have to think and find answers by yourself, without them being shoved in your face. Definately not the greatest series ever, but i absolutely have to give credit to j.j. abrham (or however you write his name) for knowing and saying from the very first season that there would be 6 seasons . So from the beginning he knew exactly how many episodes there would be in the whole serie, which is comforting (and also ive never heard that from another serie, which are usually just there and stay there until the network remove them from schedules or whatever. From day 1 j.j. knew where he was going, and for that fact, i dont think the last season will suck ( at least i hope).
  • Diablillo
    Well, I think you are being a little bit too radical here. BSG was a fine series, I loved it, and now that's finally over (despite its ending which I'll talk about later) I'll miss it a lot.

    It's true though, that the series is quite a mess at times, and some things change without any real reason, but i don't think it spoils it AT ALL. I totally agree about Sixes (HBS here) and Boone and that Adama is the best character in it by far, but the rest of characters are quite deep, and you rant very often about bidimensionalism. They have a lot of character development (Maybe what you find strange is that no one is truly a hero).

    In my opinion, what nearly ruins everything it's its ending. Won't spoil it to anyone, but, although it is an ending, looked more like a season ending than a big THE END. Even more, it is unsatisfying. Too much for that determination of shutting down a succesful series. And the extra movie "The Plan" doesn't help. Only thing it puts it's something that looks like they forgot to tell in the series.

    Overall, I loved it besides its flaws.
  • Andrew Overlord
    I like the site layout now.

    Anyway, I agree with spoony, BSG is a huge load of shit.

    I wanted to like it so bad. The commercials were cool, it's ranting fans were all over the internet, and it was the only show on daytime TV I had interest in.

    What a poorly written, edited, styled, acted, and directed pile of nonsense boring crap. It was insulting.

    I'm not a fan of the original either, I watched it a few times, didn't get it though.
  • Ensiferum
    Man I loved Boner. Er, I mean Boomer!
  • FireFighter214
    I watched the show just for Boomer, only for Boomer. Oh Boomer. Sorry I drifted off there for a second. What was I talking about? Oh yeah, Boomer. Oh Boomer.
  • I liked BSG.
  • DeathsHead419
    Thank you. I really hate BSG, and I started long before I knew of this reviews existance. I saw the series form start to end of seson 2.5. At the start I was into it. At the end, I wanted them all TO DIE! The first big problem was in one episode (I forget which one) when Baltar creats a Cylon detector that is able to produce results in a few minutes to make a plot point about Boomer. Then, in the next fucking epsiode, it takes eleven hours to do each one!

    Holy shit! Am I the only one who caught that? The continuity got hit so hard it made my head spin. And of course, in the end, both of these lead NOWARE, because the writers decided to ditch this concept entirely.

    It was all down hill form there, whith people doing the most absolutly stupid things they could do. I kept hearing about how this was "griddy realism" but it wasn't. It was just people doing the rock stupidest things they could CONSTANTLY, to the point were the show became a chore to whatch.

    Then there's the biggest plot hole of all: The Cylons, have no real motivation. First they want to kill everyone, then they want to mate & create hybrids, then they decide to go back to killing, then they appearently decide to leave us alone, and then they decide to enslave the last remnants of humanity on that godforsaken planet. And that's just form the half of the series I wachted to completion.

    And then there's the bull crap about how the cylons sould be pittied. They nuked your civilization to death for the lulz, and now they are hunting down every last remnant of humanity like they were vermin. The only ambiguity here is that the humans are so damn moronic, that I want them to die!

    God, this show pisses me off.
  • jadedcorliss
    It's interesting, he's saying the fans are in denial over it being bad, yet...

    http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Awards_and_Ho...

    and...

    The series has also received favorable reviews from other writers. Stephen King wrote, "This is a beautifully written show, driven by character rather than effects...but the effects are damn good. And there's not a better acting troupe at work on television."[63] Joss Whedon commented: "I think it's so passionate, textured, complex, subversive and challenging that it dwarfs everything on TV."[64][65][66]

    So it's seems like SOME PEOPLE like it.

    From what I've seen, seems pretty good.

    His comment of it being the only spacer show is plain incoherent also.
  • Faulkon
    I totally agree about Lost - it was a really interesting concept and it could've been really good, -if- the people making the thing kept their act together. Writer's strike or no, they took waaaaaaay too long to develop anything. I think they also dug themselves in deep by trying to make the show more character-driven while having such a large cast of characters to focus on. They stretched themselves too thin, and by the time they got to focusing on who became the real main characters, everyone was more intrigued by the island, which had so many mysteries they'd have to pull a Metal Gear Solid 4 to wrap it all up. Quite frankly I had an easier time following the plot to Xenosaga.

    Plus they threw in time travel. 99 out of 100 times that's a huge warning sign. I myself got to the beginning of season 4, but as much as I liked some of the characters and wanted to see what was going on, I just didn't want to follow the episodes anymore.

    Olivaw: I'll agree, most of the dialogue in Firefly is stuff you'd never hear in real life, but that's kind of the beauty of TV drama - it's not realistic. If it were, it'd basically be someone roleplaying Han Solo in EVE Online, with enough technobabble to make Gene proud.

    The dramatic language can work if it's well-written enough and doesn't come across as forced. For me, it works.
  • jadedcorliss
    And he watched it why?
  • Hooray I thought I was the only person seriously into Sci-Fi to hate this show! do you have any idea how irritating it is to have your friends tell you how awesome it is all the while you're still mourning the loss of Firefly? The plot is recycled from every pseudo-intelligent pulp short story of the 40s, none of the characters are likeable at all and I did feel insulted that every chance they got we had the hot blonde cylon (number 6 by the way) showing off cleavage. Yes she's attractive, we got that MOVE on.
    My big problem with BSG, as it be came known, it that there was no brakes. Just relentless dark story lines and decisions that weren't just morally wrong but out right criminal. You know they are making a mistake that's going to come back and bite them in their collective arse they as much as say so and then when it does happen we're supposed to be shocked. I loved the Original show (and 1980) yes it was kitsch and silly but that's why I love it today. It didn't take itself too seriously and when it did it came from the story and you realised how good the actors were. You weren't supposed to take it seriously. With this new one it was done so seriously you really hoped there was a message.

    Now that the show has ended we have all the answers and would you believe it the biggest questions, the ones that we actually cared to find out about, is the biggest Deux ex machina. It turns out GOD was directing the fleet to a new earth. This one...
    What, in the unholy left testicle of Lucifer, were they thinking? Wait more than five years to answer a mystery and finish with 'Oh God did it to see what would happen and look it's us...'

    BSG felt like a massive rip off from beginning to end, unfortunately it was popular and the new wave of shows are following in it's footsteps. Shows like Firefly, the original Star Trek, Farscape are long gone, as is what ever fun there was in serious Sci-Fi
  • Lady Echo
    Hm. Well, what can I say? From a perspective of someone who's seen every episode (except the webisodes) from the beginning, I obviously have a different view from a casual viewer, which I would assume is Spoony's point of view.

    I have to agree and disagree. It's not crap by any means, but it does have issues.

    I personally had been waiting for a good Star Wars-level space battle for a long time, and when the new BSG had these, it was very thrilling to watch. But it was more about the drama than the action, which is understandable. I mean, how many times can you watch a Viper pilot take out a Cylon Raider at the last moment before it toasts (no pun intended) one of the unwitting human pilots? Well, I can watch that all day, and I have to say my favorite episode for space battles is still the miniseries when the Cylons initially attack.

    This is one of the few shows that was intended to be episodic and still have an overarching story. That is probably what kept it so interesting for casual and hardcore fans alike. Most of the episodic plotlines were delivered exceptionally well, however the broader story suffered over the years.

    I was really excited about the first season or so. Interest wavered through the second and third seasons, but the season 3 finale got my blood pumping almost as much as the miniseries did. However, I hate it when they bring back dead characters, so I can't give it as good an opinion as the mini.

    However, my biggest issue with the series is the last episode. They could have easily drawn it out for a few more weeks just to tie off some loose ends, but instead they decide to kill off half the cast in the last episode and throw out a cheesy mystical purpose. The socio-scientific structure of the remaining humans is thrown out in favor of religion. Do you really expect me to believe that absolutely no one in 50,000 people are going to object to all technology being tossed into the sun?

    What it really boils down to though is how they handled the main characters. Some were very good, and others make you wonder why they even bothered.

    Kara's ending was just offensive. You lead us on for an entire season, wondering what brought her back from the dead, only to have her be some kind of corporeal spirit who doesn't know she's a spirit (I refuse to use the term "angel" as they use in the show). Her only purpose was to be on the bridge to put in the coordinates for (new) Earth. That could have been done in other ways much better without even having to bring her back to life. And still leave her as the one to guide them to their new home. I'd much rather have seen her as some sort of mysterious image in some of the other characters' minds, gently pointing them in the right direction, instead of having to sit through her aggressive anti-socialism and brooding melancholy for another season.

    Baltar's ending was one of the most touching. He went from being the unwitting villain of the series to actually showing that he could give a damn about other people. It was a little weak to have him reconcile with his original lover so suddenly near the end of the series, but that can be overlooked when you see him burst into tears at admitting his knowledge of farming (something he had tried to discard when he was younger because it was below his self-centered image, one reason he became a scientist).

    Galen, Carl/Athena, the Tighs, and all the "loyalist" Cylons, especially Cavel: weak, but touching. These characters played themselves out by the middle of season 4, in my opinion, so there wasn't much to end them with. Tory had always felt like a tacked-on character, and this was proven in the finale. She was completely useless as a character and had nothing to contribute to anything. I felt more sympathy for the treacherous Gaeta than I did for her.

    Lee's ending was a bit weak, but acceptable. I was severely disappointed that they had juggled him around so much in the upper echelons of the government; I think he should have remained a prominent figure in the military and sort of taken the place that Kara took in season 4. I believe she could have guided the fleet through Lee in some kind of dream sequence or something, and it would have played out better than....Lee turns around and poof she's gone...

    Adama and Roslin...what can you say? That was a very touching way to let her character die, and even more touching to have the tough, burly Admiral hold the hand of his beloved in her last hours.

    Anders and the Galactica...that was one of the most touching endings; He finally achieved what he wanted, to be connected to "perfection." Based on his flashbacks, we surmise that being connected to the Galactica was the best thing that could ever have happened to him. And the crippled Galactica herself, leading the funeral pyre of the remainder of the empty ships, is an image that will forever be burned into my mind. She did her duty, and it was time to let go. She did not go out in a blaze of glory like the Pegasus, but her fire slowly died out as we recalled the good things she did for us.

    Everything else was explained by "oh god made it happen" and pretty much warns us that Jimi Hendrix was a Cylon. And we shouldn't create artificial intelligence. And our caveman ancestors got boned by spacemen from another galaxy, and that's why we're so screwed up today.
  • jadedcorliss
    I really don't get just his views on this.

    He hasn't even reviewed Firefly, he obsesses over it so much, and why do the women make it good?
  • jadedcorliss
    I still have no idea what he meant by saying it's only the best spacer show since it's the only one.
  • johnnyfog
    I know I already commented on this thread, but when I began I hadn't actually seen the series from the start (oops) so my hated has lessened since I rented them all. But season 4 is still shit.

    The weak point of the show is the Cylons. Are they clones? Are they machines? Well, the show would have you think they are machines, but they are really humans grown in vats who have some bizarre, undefined senses in regard to their ships blowing up, and can "project" themselves (and other people, too!) into fantasy worlds...still trying to figure that out. And the imaginary blond Cylon is our window into their society and thinking, but she's not real (or she's an angel...not terribly important either way) and thus isn't credible in the viewer's eyes, and when they finally do show you how the Cylons operate, they're busy with their little 'cafe society' on the ruins of caprica, drinking lattes and going to the movies. And it's really dull how there's only a handful of six Cylons TOTAL. They can't create more?

    Whenever a classic metal Cylon appears, I'm actually grateful because at least you know where they stand. But this show addresses the metal ones as Centurions, and the real Cylons are the human ones. Ok fine. At least the heroes are interesting and well-acted. But no! The producer apparently thought he hadn't broken enough conventions already, and decided to REALLY throw the dice by changing the personalities of half the cast in season 4. Suddenly it's like Darth Vader saying "I have altered the deal, pray I don't alter it any further!!" Anyone who saw Smallville from the early seasons knows it doesn't remotely resemble the half-assed monstrosity on the air now (it's even worse than Stargate). Well, you just fell for the trap. It happened again.
  • Gotta agree, with most of that.

    except for Mal/Book. Mal/Simon is way hotter. (I'd suggest Vash, but Zoey would shoot me.)
  • Talby
    Well, it was really excellent for a while, despite the annoying omnipresence of Hot Blonde Cylon in EVERY GODDAMN SCENE as Spoony pointed out, despite being pretty much irrelevent to the story.

    Part of the tragedy for me is that it started out so GOOD, and by the end, was absolutely horrible. It's like seeing your upstanding best friend become a drug-addicted junkie who steals your VCR for his next hit, before finally commiting suicide. Very demoralizing.

    Also, ANYONE COULD BE A CYLON. EVEN YOU. It's a really lazy way of inserting plot twists when they're needed. At the end of writing season 3 the writers probably just went, "Screw it, let's just make half the main cast cylons."
  • conanthelibrarian
    There's something to be said for the undeserved laurels that come from rebooting or reimagining crappy source material. While I enjoyed the first three seasons of the new BSG immensely, I too felt that it went overboard once the Cylon revelations became ridiculous and the need to atone for early plot points irreparably damaged the completion of the series. To improve upon something that was hokey and melodramatic to begin with is not that impressive. It can make for decent television or even good television, but to call it the best science-fiction show ever is going farther than it deserves, I think.
  • Talby
    The new BSG is interesting when it sticks to action-drama - the inter-fleet conflict between the humans and various ships, like the mutiny, the Pegasus plotline, and New Caprica. As soon as they tried for melodrama and introduced sympathetic cylon characters, and started having whole scenes taking place aboard the cylon ships, it became excruiatingly boring.
  • JollySam
    Post #14 Jadedcorliss: "When you’re saying it’s the best spacer show around because it’s the only one, you were ignoring Stargate Atlantis?"

    Um, no, I don't think he was.
  • SetAbominae88
    Nuclear Warheads that don't give off blastwaves should say it all. As far as the Cylons go (both old and new), once you've seen the first Terminator movie, all other cyborgs look like shit.

    Rock on spoony one!
  • Olivaw
    BSG is a pretty good show for a while but somewhere around season 2.5 I stopped caring. I found it refreshing at the time simply because it was a good show that happened to be sci-fi rather than a sci-fi show that happened to be good, but all the drama just seemed like it was becoming forced after a while. Apparently it's a good thing I got out though as I heard the finale is ass.

    I never got into Lost either, which is apparently also a good thing as I've heard the show is completely directionless after the first season and gradually spirals out of control until both the writers AND the viewer have no fucking clue what is happening or why it's happening or why there's a polar bear.

    Firefly was pretty good too but it still had a lot of that Whedon Dialogue that's well written but sounds like nothing anyone would ever say out loud. Plus, as evidenced by Serenity, it was gonna turn to shit at the end of the first season, so really it's a good thing it got canceled before it could break my heart.

    I'm still waiting for the perfect science fiction television show. In my mind it's something like a futuristic police procedural, set in some kind of far future Altered Carbon-esque universe. Someday it'll happen, if I wish real hard!
  • QtotheT
    What's terrible about this isn't the bashing of a great show like BSG but the small crack against Lost. When the hell did you write this, Spoony? God dammit, you'd have better written this is in the middle of season two or the beginning of three.
  • Morg
    http://www.amazon.com/Legend-Drenai-Tales-Book-...

    Try Legend, it's not War and Peace, but it's an enjoyable read. You can prolly find it at any used book store. The author originally wrote it during his first bout with cancer, so it's a bit dark.
  • jadedcorliss
    Does BSG really suck?

    It has a 9.1 on imdb with about 26,000 votes, and it has a 9.1 on tv.com while getting two emmys and tons of other nominations and awards, while I've seen it basically in the first or second place of every single "best science fiction show" list ever
  • @Brad

    You are absolutely right, whattaya know. I checked battlestar wiki and the show had plenty of religious images (I think they fought the Devil at one point).

    Superman as Christ is one thing, but you can't expect me to buy that imagery when his opponent is a nutcase who want to blow up earth and then charge rent. >;{

    ....Actually, I just began netflixing s.1 of BSG, and it's not as I thought. I could do without Baltar beating off to an invisible whore (???) and acting like a villain for once. Where's the fun in a aby guy who doesn't like being bad?
  • JollySam
    The only reason we keep on watching shows like this after they start getting rubbish (usually after series one) is because we care about the characters and want to see what happens to them. But why bother? They ALWAYS have a mysterious personality change at the beginning of each series, usually for the worst.
  • Brad
    @Jonnyfog

    "What’s with all the biblical subtext in drama lately? First Superman Returns, then BG, and now Kings."
    I can't speak for Kings, but as far as BSG having spiritual subtext, it was actually present in the original 70's show. There was even a group of angels that had their own ship called "The Ship of Light," they were responsible for bringing Starbuck back from life, in the old show.

    And I'm not at all a big fan of Superman but isn't Superman supposed to be represented as a savior? His story isn't all that different than Jesus'. Comes from a different place, is raised by human parents, has great powers, and uses them for good, he's loved and persecuted, and sacrifices himself for the people.

    "They endlessly re-hash stories from the old testament,"
    To be fair, that is nothing new, those stories have been around for thousands of years. Let's not forget that there are really only about a dozen truly original stories, and hundreds of thousands of variations of the same stories. Which is why you're gonna have someone come along and say, they ripped this off from this place, and they ripped it off from them. It's a never ending chain.
  • KAP
    "What's worse, I've noticed several scenes shown in the opening "previously, on Battlestar Galactica" sequences that were never aired! How can we make sense of the show when the editors can't? "

    Reminds me of "Next time on Arrested Development", except that was done to be funny, this was done without thinking.

    Still, it makes me want to break out my Arrested Development DVDs, so that's a good thing.
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