Atlus’ new releases: Persona 4 Golden (Vita) and Persona 4 Arena (360/PS3)! You need to eat more red meat!
What should I suck, oh Lord of Tekken? Because I don’t give a damn about Persona.
Youre missing out.
Honestly, who the fuck owns a Vita?
about five people in the country, including Spoony. That thing has been getting its ass kicked by the 3DS
Which is sad because the 3DS sucks.
They both blow.
how cute, pretending that a Nintendo handheld somehow sucks. It’s just like a teenager whining about how Disney and Pixar films can’t be watched because they’re “kiddy.”
or, he doesn’t like it because it sucks. I don’t like the 3DS, but I’ll probably get it due to it’s upcoming titles. The vita is undoubtedly the better console. Your comparison to not liking disney and pixar movies makes no sense.
no, the comparison makes perfect sense; people bash Nintendo all the time, but their reasons often amount to wanting to act “cool” or “hardcore” often like insecure teenagers who decide that after watching Memento or Dog Day Afternoon they can’t enjoy family films. The Vita is an interesting piece of HARDWARE, but as a gaming system it’s terrible, mostly because Sony didn’t learn their lesson with the PSP. People have tried for nearly over 20 years to beat Nintendo via brute force but it’s never, ever worked and Sony’s obvious failure to do that makes it obvious that they are indeed not a true gaming company but just an electronics company with a gaming division
Damn, and I thought everyone would think I’d be the most cool, hardcore person commenting on a website EVER!
You found me out; you’re just too good.
The 3DS sucks. Hold that shit.
Yes, a sucky system that’s been the #1-selling gaming hardware for literally MONTHS on end worldwide. Go sulk in the corner, you sore loser.
LMFAO What am I losing at?
Great shit, keep it coming.
You are aware that Nintendo has lost over 400 million dollars on the 3DS? Forbes had an article about it. They had to slash the price because enough people weren’t buying it. Every new 3DS sold is a loss in profit, because they cost more to make than the current price. Nintendo has dominated handheld since the old grey brick Game Boy, but in terms of sales figures, it’s the biggest disaster since the Virtual Boy.
I don’t own one, I don’t own a PS3 or a Vita either. I’m just saying it sounds like a shitty piece of hardware to me.
and now it’s been the #1 selling piece of hardware for weeks on end. In fact, it’s outpacing the DS which need I remind you has sold nearly 150 million units. It and Nintendo will be fine, especially when costs go down which won’t take very long.
Just buying the 3DS isn’t enough for Nintendo make profit on it, because of the upcoming price slash. At that point, Nintendo will be farther in the red for every console sold.
It seems that the best way for Nintendo to recover is to sell as many 3DS consoles as possible (at their own expense) and start releasing lots of good games that WILL make a profit, and make up for the initial loss.
I’m pretty sure Nintendo can take that initial blow, considering their size, but I want to see some more games before I buy a 3DS. After all, the PS2 is considered the best console of all time because of it’s massive library. The future’s still young for the 3DS, and it’s too early right now to judge it’s true merit.
So here’s the deal Aiddon, can I call you Aiddon? Good. The top selling console of all times is, according to Most sources, (Minus Nintendo based magazines which don’t include it for some obvious reason) the Sony Playstation 2. So basically you are either misinformed or a liar, either won’t change what I’m about to say. Nintendo can own the hand held market as long as it wants, it can totally just keep that niche of gaming, it will never bother me nor will it ever interest me. Hand-held systems are meh, a time waster for family get-togethers and avoiding human contact on the bus. We, as gamers, often need this distraction because gamers are often anti-social little creatures who defend their chosen company like rapid wombats. Now you brought up how people have tried to overcome Nintendo for years with brute force (not sure you understand what you said there) and that they have all failed but the top selling console of all time is the Sony Playstation 2.
We could argue this but it is a fact and opinions about facts are just idiotic and I won’t bring myself down to that level. So I’m guessing you are thinking something like; “Ha! you are stating opinion as fact” but I’ll have to stop you right there with this. No I’m stating fact as fact. The Sony Playstation 2 is the top selling console of all time, as of the current that is. It is possible the 3DS will become the top seller but at the time of this post the Sony Playstation 2 is the highest selling console of all time, including hand-helds.
So to address your comparison related to teens and family movies. You’ve made a massive generalization in an attempt to either looking smarter than you are or to shame others into believing as you do. You are either a bully or an arm-chair debater you can chose I really don’t care enough about you as a person for it to matter for me. To me you are a means of entertainment and a jumping off point to inform, informing is my favorite pass time and defusing angry, fanboy-bombs is one the best ways to inform on the internet.
Teens that do-not wish to see family films aren’t childish, they are rebellious. Their belief that childish films make them children is a natural part of growing up. I don’t see why you had to name specific movies, since I believe my 9 year old self would have understood both just as well as my 14 year old self. It shows a lack of understanding because, oddly enough, most teens don’t like those movies either. Teens must go through a phase where they are rebellious to grow into intelligent thinking adults, and your comparison is just gibberish. If you wish to know why continue reading.
“suck” is an opinionated word you see, it is used by the masses as a term to explain when things “suck dick” or give a blowjob. Believe it or not it could be defined as hate speech more often than some objective ratio of good/bad. I can say that the Nintendo 3DS sucks and that the Sony Vita sucks and be neither wrong nor correct, as those are objective terms. You see the internet seems to have lost all connection with how words are actually used and you’ve basically fallen into all the traps with you posts above my own. The ones below are only trolling and thus I chose to reply here, hoping you or at least someone like you reads this and grows as a person. So we have learned that something can suck to one person and be awesome to the next and, as it is opinionated, neither be wrong, childish, nor any other remarking invoking incorrectness. If you have not learned this I’d be more than happy to explain in greater depth at a later date.
Fanboyism is a terrible place to argue from. I am commenting from a station of smug superiority (grin) as I believe that all Hand-held systems are a waste of my life, since I don’t have either the time nor the cash to throw at something I would only play when I’m supposed to be doing something more important. Hand-Helds aren’t comfortable enough to spend hours playing with them at home and my career doesn’t allow me time to fiddle with them in class. Besides, in not too many years, the smart phone and/or pad will very likely replace hand-held systems all together since, were I a pirate, I could emulate the 3DS upon my pad. I do not undertake such activities because, again, my career is too demanding of my time and I have no interested in hand-held gaming. (This paragraph for those that can’t tell is opinion)
Lastly. I am not trying to be “cool” or “Hardcore” you can tell this from the way I write, I am and sound like a nerdy professor, and because I support no systems. I am a PC gamer and well it works for me as of the current. I wished only to inform people that Aiddon, who has been so nice as to post this ignorant message for me to use, lied to you. The Top Selling Console of All Times is the Sony Playstation 2. Don’t believe me? You can use google I believe. Peace.
Actually I did a little more researching into this and found out the Nintendo DS has sold nearly as many units as the SONY PLAYSTATION 2 which is the highest selling console of all times as of the current, but the 3DS has only sold a bit less than 18 million units. This is an edit to my own researching, it doesn’t seem likely the 3DS will out sell the PS2 any time soon. DS and 3DS aren’t the same thing and my research there wasn’t good. Otherwise it is sound however.
“people bash Nintendo all the time, but their reasons often amount to
wanting to act “cool” or “hardcore” often like insecure teenagers who
decide that after watching Memento or Dog Day Afternoon they can’t enjoy
That part of your comment disgusts me to the point where you act just as snobbish as the people that you mentioned. Just because people tend to ignore most of the stuff that Nintendo puts out because they prefer something else, doesn’t mean they’re bashing it, they just aren’t fans and don’t give a shit.
Don’t make comments like this.
Or what? lmao
–“Or what?” What are you, 9?
You’re being a jackass, is the reason why I tell you to not to. If you’re going to be contrary like that, you have to expand upon the reason why. Or you’re just being incendiary. No one needs it.
No, I think I’ll do what I want. Take some heart medicine and calm the fuck down.
Well I suppose you’ll grow up -eventually-. Right?
Watching the Vita and the 3DS fight is like watching two withered, bloody old lepers in a cage match.
Just because the Vita has a worse library than the 3DS does not make the 3DS an objectively good purchase. It just looks better by comparison, which isn’t enough to fork over that much money.
And so many of those games are just remakes. Not just the standard Mario/Zelda/Metriod/Sonic gambit, but now Persona 4? A better option would be to use the 3DS like a monitor/controller that streams real games from your home console.
Y’know, like the Vita. So actually, the Vita is a better purchase because it’s also your PS3, despite it’s library of games. It’s still bad, but you can at least do something with it.
Okay, now you just trolling.
Ignore this, Disqus acted up and I double posted.
Well, those people were pleasant. Honestly, while I love Persona and am definitely getting Arena, I just don’t know if I can justify getting a Vita to play a game I already own.
Atlus, huh? – you can classify me to the side that hates it/does’nt give a damn,
(this comment may semm like trolling – but it is just an opinion)
Then why comment in the first place?
You probably just don’t understand their games yet, or otherwise you just like to invest much less in your games.
Nothing wrong with that.
I’ve never been able to get into the Persona series, and I like Atlus alot. hell Ogre Battle March of the black queen, Ogre Battle 64, Soul Nomads, Disgaea.. theres a lot I like from them… and a lot that has looked incredibly retarded.
kinda like how some Grandia games were good and then some were..
Grandia 2 = Awesome
Grandia Extreme = DERP (Dean Cain? WHY???)
even from the footage shown it looks like a ps2 game with really bland looking dungeons that literally look reskinned over and over. Anyways I haven’t given this series a chance yet, but i’ve seen it played and I can Honestly say I don’t think I will anytime soon.
It seems to have that blandness that usually comes with a newer Star Ocean game. My favourite RPG’s of all time are Phantasy Star 4, Chrono Trigger, FF6.
Just wanted to say Spoony, Your reviews are awesome and I usually completely agree with you. But I bought “Eternal Darkness” for the gamecube after you praised it as the best survival horror game ever, and it so wasn’t.
The last quarter of the game was sooooo boring it hurt. It was rinse and repeat the whole game.. and the magic system sucked hard. It gave the illusion of complexity while being way too simple and limiting. and glowing items? reminds me of when capcom started treating us all like retards in Resident evil 4.
to each their own, I don’t expect you to agree with me, and i’m not gonna tell you to suck it when you don’t…
and try Amnesia the dark descent if you want to see a sanity meter done right.
I don’t mean to offend, but Soul Nomads and Disgaea were not made by Atlus, they were made by Nippon Icchi.
And not be all ‘fanboy’, but P4 is a really good RPG. At least give it a chance before criticizing it.
its all good man, and I should clarify I wasn’t talking shit about the series, I was saying given some of the titles released that looked too childish, or simply “cookie cutter JRPG” that I havent yet tried it. I definitely plan to, I review videogames lol, I’m just saying i’ve been skeptic.
And yes, techinically NIS is not Atlus.. Techinically. BUT Atlus and NIS are known for working together NIS releasing atlus games “Rhapsody” and Atlus publishing Japanese NIS titles in north america on PS3. They are sort of sister companies, similar to what ULTRA was to KONAMI.
You don’t sound like a fanboy, you’ve played the series and liked it for youre own reasons, and even if you were a fanboy that’s not really a bad thing. Depends how you handle it :P thanks for being civil dude, hope I didn’t sound like a dick, I’m just very opinionated and passionate about videogames. Peace
Persona 4, as most of the ATLUS titles, requires a lot of depth perception that most Gamers just… well, lack.
With this I’m not insinuating you’re not “smart” enough, or “deep” enough. It really is just a fact that to fully understand a Shin Megami Tensei title, it usually involves a lot of reading. In fact, to actually understand half of the innuendo of Persona — the very title and concepts used — you have to be at least at the first year of a Psychology major.
Some Gamers like to invest a lot of intelectual power in their RPGs, or games in general. Some Gamers really can’t stand stupid companies, uneducated concept usage and pretentious vomiting of very complex themes.
Some may argue that ATLUS’ games are very pretentious. They may be, but as far as I’ve seen — and I’ve played Shin Megami games since the PlayStation era — they’ve never actually been //wrong//. The concept of reality versus ideal existence is used in both The Matrix and ATLUS’ own Digital Devil Saga, but whereas it was dumbed down for the masses with the “Pills” scene, Digital Devil Saga pretty much makes you read up on it, or let you enjoy it without ever having a clue.
I’ll echo your words. I really hope that I’m not sounding like a dick. I just wanted to shed some light on ATLUS, as I’m probably one of their oldest fans around here — certainly one of the oldest fans I’ve met around several videogame websites.
First, I don’t know how you found my comment lol I just scrolled through days of comments to find this.
second, I’m an ATLUS fan myself and I really wouldn’t say gamers are lacking any kind of intellectual conception of the meaning and message unraveled throughout the plot of a game. Especially not those who enjoy a rich and detailed universe that present the player with the opportunity to become enveloped in the fantasy.
What I am saying is that the setting and characters, from what I have seen ( and admitted that I have not yet given the game a chance) did not capture my interest. Like I said, I am not talking bad about the series, I am saying that on first impression, it didn’t seem like it was for me, and nothing to this day has made me want to pick it up. Its not a matter of intelligence, its personal interest and experience.
I love many RPG’s that i’m sure you enjoy too. Chrono Trigger, Phantasy star 1,2,3,4 , Might and Magic, D&D warriors of the eternal sun, EarthBound, Final Fantasy, Legend of Mana, Seiken Denetsu 3, Lufia 1 and 2, Grandia 2, Star Ocean, Lunar Silver Star Story, Breath of Fire 1 2 and 3, Shining in the darkness, Shining Foce.. Dude I play Dungeons of Daggorath on my TRS-80. I collect games, right now I have over 30 consoles and over 2000 games, (not including the old NES cart bootlegs with like 100 games on them)
I’m an oldschool gamer, I tend to prefer the older RPG’s but I play alot of the new , and like alot of RPG hybrids too, like Fallout 3 or Castlevania Symphony of the night. Taking RPG elements and applying them to other, more popular genres.
That being said, everyone games to fulfill a fantasy, whether it is being a knight slaying dragons, or a soldier defending your country in a FPS. Some peoples fantasies involve doing things that are otherwise impossible in this day and age, some fantasize about being the best at something that exists already (racing, war, sports, etc)
I know I’m writing you a novel here, and I apologize, I just do’nt want you to get the impression that these games are “over my head”. I study philosophy and even more frequently, World religions. History, Mankind’s origins, Astrology, Physics. I often don’t get the chance to discuss such things though as not many people around where I am share my interests except with the odd friend.
All in all, and way off topic… my bad. I like ATLUS games, and I find their difficult nature and reputation refreshing. I like ALOT of their games. I am simply saying this series has not yet got me wanting to play it.. I’m not sure why either, given your description I’ll admit it sounds interesting. I am just having a hard time getting into the JRPG’s these days for some reason, but like I said , some day I will play them and possibly like them. They just haven’t won me over yet.
I could write a parody about your opinion on combos based on a call of duty noob who can’T fathom the greatness of ut2004 but i think it’s enough if i tell that tekken (and especially the current one, 6) arent good fighting games for tournament level play and that your combo complains don’t make any sense.
That being said, i’ll by Persona 4 because it’s made by Arc System Works, the geniuses behind Blazblue and Guilty Gear.
Also, you should totally check out skullgirls as soon as the next patch comes out.
I’m pretty sure his “Lord of Tekken” has something to do with one of his Tekken reviews. I can’t quite place which one (I don’t remember every spoony video I’ve seen by heart) but this strikes me as a catch phrase similar to “I’m the god damn Avatar!”
If memory serves, the “Lord of Tekken” thing popped up in the Streetfighter 2010 review.
Persona 4 is made by ATLUS.
Persona 4: Arena is developed by Arc System Works, with full credit to ATLUS, and also their supervision.
I also agree that Tekken truly isn’t the epitome of a fighting game, by any stretch of the imagination.
I’ve also tried Skullgirls, but the limited characters, and somehow cookie-cutter skillsets turned me off immediately. Guilty Gear, and its spiritual successor BlazBlue, are really all that I need to get my fighting game fix.
Even if my girlfriend kicks my ass all the time.
Hell, yes! I’ve been looking forward this since I saw the Youtube vids of the Japanese Arcade version about a few months ago. I especially plan on playing as the P3 characters, since I’m one of THOSE weirdos whom loved Persona 3 the most out of all the series.
You wouldn’t be much of a weirdo.
Amongst the more hardcore Shin Megami Tensei fans, Persona 3’s storyline is much more loved than Persona 4, simply because Persona 3 was a modern adaptation of the Persona subseries, whereas Persona 4 was merely an attempt at cashing in with the Anime crowd who, admittedly, will devour anything “Gakuen” oriented.
It is, rightfully, a wonderful game and it surpasses Persona 3 in nearly all technical aspects (i.e. gameplay, combat system, S-Link and calendar mechanics, graphics, aesthetical sense). But not as intentionally pure as Persona 3, and its arguably vastly superior story.
ATLUS isn’t the one which produced P4A. It’s Arc System Works, the creator of Guilty Gear and Blaz Blue series. You may have noticed a lot of similar moves in some of the characters in P4A.
Oh man, my friend’s been glued to persona 4 for weeks now XD. She was just saying how nice it would be to play a female too. This is gonna shake her to new heights.
And it may convince me to borrow the game from her, once I finish the line of other titles I have on the back burner.
It really sucks to be “that guy”, but Marie isn’t a female protagonist. She is a present character who is semi-relevant to the storyline and is associated to Igor, and the Velvet Room. Aside from having her own storyline, and dungeon to go with, she also has some minor mechanics utility, in particular with the Online Features of Persona 4: The Golden. She is not playable, nor is she recruitable. She doesn’t… well, necessarily HAVE a Persona. But that’s pretty much all I can say about that, in particular. She is, however, an active S-Link, and is related to the storyline, without giving out too much, in a similar way to the young man who greets you at the Gas Station at the beginning of the game. (those who’ve finished the original in True Ending probably get what I’m saying).
Source: I’ve finished my import this week.
Are you having an orgasm over the quality the voice acting? While I’m not sure if I would butter the old green bean over this, but I do say that Atlus does a pretty good job with the ADR.
With you on that one. ATLUS’ localizations are usually top-notch. Persona 3 and 4’s voice-work is absolutely amazing.
It’s just a stupid little stigma that people created over voice-works. You can tell by the uneducated use of the term “Dubbing”.
The commercials got the personality of the characters down well. Still not buying a Vita, but am still looking forward to how it turns out.
Also, persona 4 from storyline was one of the dumbest games ever.
Lol, good one.
Hum. I seem to recall one of the biggest games of my youth being about two Brooklyn plumbers traveling through pipeworks into a strange and magical kingdom filled with sentient mushrooms and malevolent (sometimes flying) turtles in order to rescue a princess from a bipedal, fire-breathing, hammer-throwing dragon lizard.
Maybe I just have a better imagination than you do, but I’ll buy the Midnight Channel as a premise.
Midnight channel was fine. It was the utmost retardation of all characters that was incredibly painful to me.
yep, I highly doubt the investigation team could have figured things out for themselves if naoto the plot device character wasn’t there spelling it out for them. It’s like the whole ”high school experience” would’ve been too short otherwise, so the game required them to be pretty dumb + throw in some police incompetence for good measure.
Exactly. And what made me the most angry was that plot didn’t give you a fair chance. Naoto coming with NEW FUCKING CLUES ON THE SPOT is not fair to the player who, without those clues couldn’t guess it right. But I did, since it was fucking obvious who the villain was.
I thought P4 had one of the best JRPG stories of all time. Way better than most of the Final Fantasy games.
Considering ATLUS RPGs are amongst the most deep, complex storylines ever gracing the JRPG genre, your comment makes me giggle.
No, friend. It isn’t “dumb”. You just didn’t get it. And there’s nothing wrong with that.
Right, characters acting like morons, not getting stuff half the time, giving you options to act like a moron (since you cant do it otherwise), but of course its so deep that *I* don’t get it….
Interestingly while member’s of Atlus’ Persona team are taking care of the story mode and music in Arena, the actual gameplay is solely the product of Arc System Works who did Blazblue. I expect a comprehensive and insane story mode like in BB (which actually had interesting characters and legitimate narrative development; after that I just can’t go back to barebones fighters that pander to the tourney crowd). Arena gives me a Jojo’s Bizarre Adventure vibe with the Personas fighting alongside the characters.
The guys at Atlus stated that Arena has been their most expensive localization to date. That’s how loaded with story and dialogue it is. With ASW working on the game and one quick look at Blazblue it is to be expected like you said.
Ha cool to hear Spoony talk about Atlus again. I like all the Persona games including the old ones (Persona 1 and 2) and just the Shin Megami Tensei universe in general. I don’t plan on getting like a Vita really ever (I have two PSPs heh) but yeah I’d get Persona 4 Golden if I stumbled upon a Vita somehow. Also I don’t want a 3DS either so it’s not like I’m anti Sony.
P4 is the best you’ve played huh? RPGs are a big time sink that I just don’t have room for in my schedule any more, but I liked P3 a lot and if P4 is even better, I might just have to dust off my copy and give it a play through.
Personally, if I only could play RPGs from one series and ONLY one, it would be the MegaTen series (wchich consist of Megami Tensei, Shin Megami Tensei, Devil Summoner, Persona, and the like).
Yeah while I beat Persona 3 and the Answer (Persona 3 epilogue thing) and I really liked it all a lot, I think most people consider Persona 4 a better game overall at least mechanically. I could go on about what I like about both games the best, but eh yeah if you liked 3 I’d play 4.
Not is totally right. Personally I like the Story in Persona 3 better and some Characters. But P4 clearly has better Mechanic and is also a bit easier (Time Management to Social Links is way easier than in Part 3, I maxed out all in my First Playthrough, which I am still struggling with in P3).
P4 has wonderful aspects of Humor and Darkness and very few Flaws. It’s really a very good RPG and worth playing^^
Wait, why don’t you like Demon’s Souls? It’s one of the best RPGs of this generation and Atlus was kind enough to localize it for US audiences when Sony dropped it.
If I had to hazard a guess it’s probably because way too often Demons Souls had the problem of going from challenging to just plain irritating. Dark Souls has this problem too with stuff like Blight Town, Sen’s Fortress, the Four Kings battle, the Crystal Cave, Ornstein and Smough, Quelaag, the Capra Demon, etc.
1) I didn’t hear him say he dislikes Demon’s Souls… just that it can be polarizing.
2) Not everyone has the same tastes as you. SHOCKING, isn’t it?
Arena looks too simplistic so it probably won’t even be taken seriously in the FGC, like BlazBlue. Street Fighter and MvC3 are too popular and I don’t see Arena making any impact. But hopefully it won’t be like BlazBlue in which the game pretty much died before it had a chance. I wouldn’t count on Arena mainstreaming or even being relevant at something like EVO or anything like that. Looks pretty though.
Then why did Blazblue have an EVO tourney last year? and again this year?
What EVO did you watch???
Oh, and not at EVO this year: http://shoryuken.com/forum/index.php?threads/no-blazblue-at-evo-2012.152171/
Ever since the first Fallout, I’ve tended to favor western RPGs over Japanese ones, since those in the Fallout/Elder Scrolls/Baldur’s Gate mold let you shape a character’s personality and overcome challenges in ways that have nothing to do with combat. In roughly the same span of time, the only Japanese RPGs I really liked were FFXII and Dragon Quest VIII.
Then I decided to try Persona 3 from word of mouth, and loved it. It was a wierd blend of Pokemon, old-school dungeon crawler, and… whatever the hell you call those “life/dating simulator” games. It had the stylistic flair of a Japanese game, but it also gave me the chance to actually shape the main character in ways other than leveling and equipping him.
Then Persona 4 came out, and two weeks of my life disappeared.
I wasn’t interested at first for Persona 4 Golden, but the Recent News just made be want ot buy this game no matter what, including the new Adachi Arcana!!! no i’m not kidding
Maxing out Adachi’s SL opens up some pretty screwed up choices btw.
This is a first brawler which I’d like to watch Spoony play for us – how about a TGWTG and BT tournament with Spoony as the host? That would be awesome… a man can dream though…. a man can dream…
Any bets on which character Spoony would play? Not knowing anything about the full roster or his usual fighting game style… my gut says Kanji.
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I’m kidding, I’m kidding.
Of Atlus games, I’ve only played one, but I loved the hell out of it in spite of its many flaws: Rule of Rose. I bought it for the controversy, but I loved it for the masterful story and endless mysteries it provided. The gameplay is just meh, but I’m willing to overlook that issue for the great experience it provided.
AAHH! I’m so pissed because I REALLY want to play Persona 4: Golden, but it is practically the only game on the Vita that I am remotely interested in (which means that it doesn’t justify buying the Vita only for that game…)
It’s supposed to come out on the Playstation network too.
It’ a Vita only release.
So Noah, did you suggest to any of the women at the Atlus booth that you would tie them up to a chair in your garage and “love them your way”?
Dude, it’s not cool to bring that up again.
So James Bevan, did anybody ever suggest that you learn how to forgive and forget?
Oh look Obscurus Lupa Mk2. You win the award in regurgitating drama.
Oh look, a drama llama isnt it cute, and it was a pipe in his basement not a chair in his garage, if your going to be a douche at least get your quotes correct.
Oh! poor bastard are you jealous in some way? don’t worry sugar, do it to yourself maybe in that way you’ll be loved ;-)
Am I the only one who finds it funny that this blew up, and Lindsays rape rap and abortion controversy just fell off the face of the earth?
Persona 4 is your favorite console RPG? *Brofist*
Persona 4 is now my third favorite console RPG. Xenoblade chronicles took 2nd place, and top spot will always be Chrono Trigger.
*salute* All power and glory be to Chrono Trigger!
Eternal Power to Chrono Tirgger
Yeah, hail Chrono Trigger, whatever..
j/k, it’s the best RPG I’ve ever played ^^
Yeah Chrono Trigger is my favorite console RPG as well. To be fair I have not played Persona 4. But it would be damn hard to top CT. I even played it after FF7, and still was converted.
*Kanji and Take-Mikazuchi give “The Manliness Brofist”: people stupid enough to get between them get owned in the process*
Totally agree that Persona 4 is the greatest console RPG EVER and I cannot wait for both P4A and P4G! :D
HECK! P4G will be the only reason I pick up a Vita as the story, characters and gameplay just make it so unforgettable and the ultimate RPG! :)
Sadly you don’t get to play as a female protagonist like in P3P but that new girl you saw is a new social link that even adds a new dungeon! She’s also seen in the bonus new ending! ;D
I hate to ask by the way Spoony, but from one Persona fan to another could you find it in your heart to review both P4A and P4G? Even if it was a quick on the sofa thing would be great! Just I live in Europe and will have to wait for ages for these games to finally come out! Plus seeing you, one of my favourite online reviewers (not trying to
butter you up, honest!) review them would truly make my day! HECK! Just hearing you give the game the praise it deserves is good enough for me! :)
Overall: Thanks for the awesome coverage and cannot wait to see more! ;D
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Well, I don’t consider Persona 4 the best ever, but I like it very much, so no need to suck anything XP
(Personally I prefer the Digital Devil Saga a bit over Persona, but everyone has his own Taste^^)
Persona 4 Golden sounds nice enough, but for that a Vita. On the other Hand, maybe if the new Suikoden Game comes out, I might think about..
(even though my feeling on that Game are already very conflicted)
Persona 4 Arena on the other Hand sounds like a sure buy, but one think..
Why didn’t they used MCs Manga-Name. Sure.
Yu Something sounds a bit better than Souji Seta, or more like Seta, Souji..
Still, it’s more his Name in my Book – but his Synchronisation sounded pretty good. Pity they didn’t seem to have gotten all old Speaker on Board.
Wonder how the Story-Mode will play out^^
Personally, I hated Digital Devil Saga. I played a few hours of it with my friend and I have a few issues with the characters, setting, and story.
Like how every machine, including enemy machines, can be opened with your ring. It would make more sense as a security measure if you could only access your own machines. But they can be used anywhere, even on stuff you don’t own that you should be locked out of.
It’s like a door locked with a card key scanner that can be opened with any card. You could just scan someone’s library card and the door would open. So why even have the security measure in the first place?
Also, characters just sort of seem to come by information at random points in the game too. Like in the beginning of the game, when Heat tells you to eat humans to survive. Why did Heat know to eat other people, but none of the other Embryons did?
Even better, why do the other tribes know to eat other humans, but the other members of your party HAVE TO BE TOLD to eat humans by Heat?
I’m don’t remember the ring you are talking about. It’s been a while since I played but I remember the main story.
I think the ring was for accessing terminals, that didn’t “Belong” to each team, but was created by the system to provide goods in exchange for currency.
Everyone got the craving at different times. Gale went wild and tried to eat cielo, and Agrilla was starting to feel the hunger after killing that zebra demon, and she had problems controlling her sanity after morally refusing to eat. It also has to do with Sera. Her presence calms down the demons inside them. Angel did gather all the tribes leaders together to explain everything too.
I liked Digital Devil saga for the concept mostly. It could’ve been like Portal in it’s portrayal of a system manipulating humans for experiments but with demonic cannibalism instead of physics. Which is why Digital devil saga PART 2 was a HUGE FUCKING LETDOWN. Part 2 SUCKED ASS. They could have done so much more with angel and nirvana. Please people don’t play part 2 of digital devil saga.
Glados: “Now your thinking with meat.”
I guess that makes more sense; using the ring as a credit card instead of a security key. Maybe I should give it another chance…
The Ring was what every Leader had, and they never mentioned them again after the Scene with the logging in for new Information, I think..
Actually, I played Part 2 before Part 1.. and I still love it and prefer it a bit other Part 2.
In Part 2, Sera is not so much of an Mary Sue, but has grown up, owns up and also fights.
I like the Idea with the Sun, I like how the “Humans” reacts to the Tribe. I really liked Angels and Gales Story..
I really loved how Serphs Character was^^ I loved Heat and his Problems, and how Roland was a really perfect-Anti-Hero.
I do admit, the ending was almost a bit rushed in my Book. I would have loved more about Angel and the Organisation s/he worked for.
Argilla was also in my Book a bit Under-Used, also Cielos Story could have gotten more in the Spot-Light. He was very much shoved aside.
It’s strange, even though I realise all the Flaws, I still love it just as much^^ Though Part 1 is also very close.
I loved specially how Serph was the “perfect” Silent Hero. He never seems to be fully awakened, thanks to that his Eyes always stays Gray. And still you see his Character and later in Part 2 you realise why he is, like he is.
Digital Devil Saga is actually my favourite Atlus RPG, though I’ve liked every Atlus game I’ve played.
The arena persona 4 one looks actually badass! Sounds like these games are really awesome
I know this is Left Field But Does Anyone Know about Dust 514 being Ported on Vita with all this Vita has no game going around ?
Ahhh, Atlus Games. Tis the one company you can always count on for great games.
“Trust me OK? I’m the lord of TEKKEN so I know what I’m talking about”
Oh you wouldn’t even last a single mach against an average Japanese fighting game player. It took me over 2 years to be even competent against my friends. Being adequate at one character is like acing at a class about quantum physics.
But in all seriousness I don’t think P4A is going to be a great tournament fighter due to it’s simplicity and players spamming same combos over and over. It is definitely a fun party game because of it’s friendly difficulty curve and colorful roaster of characters. I know this since I already experienced it in Japan.
About the developer of P4A I want you all to know that the fighting mechanics itself was designed by Arc System Works, which is known as a creator of Blaz Blue and Guilty Gear series. And I assume most of GG fans know the newest installment of the series is coming this year. The title is “Guilty Gear XX Accent Core Plus R” (no it’s not some kind of equation). Unfortunately it is another re-balanced version of the same game, which pissed off a lot of fans. Hopefully this new title is going to revitalize the series and lead to a true sequel of Guilty Gear.
The damage dealt from the easy auto combo is significantly lower than the manual input ones. They have mentioned this in several interviews about Arena. It only exists to add style for the rookie fighters.
If you thought I was being negative about P4A wasn’t. If you read it you should know I said it is a good party game. I just can’t see it’s longevity as a serious tournament fighting game. The one button combos are the most practical ones so that ultimately diminish player style more than a manual ones because there is no point doing other combos since most of them would be impractical by comparison.
Oh I didn’t think you were being negative at all I was just stating a fact about the game. Now I can’t say whether or not Arena will be tourney-worthy, but any pro fighter will take the stronger manual comboing over weak stylized one button mashing because they will be so practiced with manual combos that it’s almost as easy as one button combos to them. I think you underestimate the skill of a pro fighter and their reflexes. One button combos will not be effective in serious competition. Most cookie-cutter comboing isn’t practical anyway in competition since it’s so predictable and auto-comboing will be even worse than that since it’s both predictable and weak.
That said I think they were trying to give something to both casual and competitive crowds with this one. Makes sense since I don’t think a large amount of rpg fans are huge fighting fanatics. Hell, I get curbstomped if I try to play any fighting game online and probably will in this one too. Though, I may actually try to get good at this one.
I was DESPERATELY hoping this would include SMT 4 and that the whole “3DS title” was a BAD JOKE…
God damn Japan does not appreciate the value of good English voice actors.
Now I just have to pray that Golden gets an European release, I think the original was published by Square-Enix over here. Failing that I’ll just import a US copy I mean at least the Vita is region free *glares angrily at 3DS.
Heck I’m basically planning on buying a Vita for it, well it’s more like I’m waiting for it because I don’t want to buy a system for just one game.
It’s weird. I’ve wanted to play a Shin Megami Tensei game ever since I read an article about the original Famicon and Super Famicon games, but I’ve never managed to pick one up. It’s partically because the games are even harder to get hold here in Australia, and when I do find one I don’t have the money. Just one of those stituations where the dice don’t fall right.
What going on with Disqus? Everything looks different, and I think there’s a ‘downvote’ option now.
At first I thought the page didn’t load right. Took me a couple of moments to realize this is a new look.
Yeah, I really hate this new look. So hard to try and figure out.
It almost seems like the comment’s page is only half loaded.
I think everything’s organized by how many ‘likes’ it gets, rather than how recent the post was. That’s kind of dumb, it makes it hard to see the natural flow of the comments page.
I really hate the ‘downvote’ option. Its not going to take long for hordes of griefers and jackholes to start downvoting everything.
This is why I prefer a ‘like only’ system of comment voting, if everyone thinks your comment is stupid/offensive, it can just be ignored and fade into nothing with the uninteresting posts. But with downvoting, attention-whores have one more tool they can use to stir up trouble for their own enjoyment.
In order to fix the problem with the order of the comments, go to the dropbox at the top where it says discussion and check newest. I agree, I can see the trolls loving that downvote option.
I thought it was my computer at first. WTF is up with this? I found the first look just fine why did it need change?
Actually, ATLUS has announced much more beyond only E3. They’ve already finished and released an updated port of Eternal Punishent in Japan, and will release it overseas too. Although that really hasn’t the urgency Innocent Sin did, it’s still nice to see them close that gap up.
They’re also working on a full-fledged remake of Soul Hackers exclusively for the 3DS. There’s already a trailer for that.
Lastly, they’ve started working on an official Shin Megami Tensei IV, also an exclusive for the 3DS. The website is already up, but there’s very little information on it. (I believe it’s megaten4.jp).
All of which are much more interesting, personally, than the 46th reincarnation of Persona 4. Overexposure just harmed it seriously.
Overexposure didn’t harm it at all. It sold incredibly well in Japan for a Vita game in it’s first week. It was the top seller being only 3 days old that week. It alone also boosted Vita hardware sales x3 (which is still low, but for Vita that’s quite a spike). If anything it was a smart move to do what they did. They pretty much launched a huge marketing campaign to build awareness and pull in new players as well and it seems to have worked.
I’ll admit that I’m really looking forward to all of the other stuff they have coming soon though.
I know it was a commercial success. What I meant to say was that it harmed it in the very core of what it is, as a game.
By animetizing it, ATLUS knows that there is a larger market out there. Persona 3 started making it big because the Anime fans will devour anything “slice-of-life”, “anime-like”, “highschool setting”. Those are the very core characteristics that the anime fans will eat up, and unfortunately, the very large slice of those fans, statistics-wise, have budgets much beyond what the average diehard RPG fan has. Gamers have to (mostly) waste money to play games. Anime fans by-and-large don’t necessarily “buy” anything beyond merchandise. My girlfriend works as a boothbabe and behind the counter at conventions, and she’s astounished by the hilariously big amount of cash some kids just allow to… fly away, for sometimes, useless shit.
Gamers are not all like that – especially not the core Shin Megami Tensei fan, who was “brought up” to expect difficulty, and to expect to read a bit before tackling a game, because he knows there will be referrences to philosophers, to psychology, to mythology, etc. Not to be snarky or rude, or even arrogant, but they are, essentially, just a smarter group of people altogether.
Now, THIS smart group of people were the ones responsible for the very creation of the Persona sub-series. In fact, Persona 3 was made with “US” in mind.
Knowing that the average Anime fan, though, whereas usually not that bright, will still buy the game, and being larger, will buy it in higher amounts, it’s only obvious that ATLUS will want to try to cater to them. It means more money.
That said, the Anime fans don’t want or need difficulty. Mostly, they play it for the story, (albeit, most actually just play because it’s anime, really) so it can be expected that the next games will cater to THAT, because THAT is the audience with the most money to spend.
It’ll lose difficulty, it’ll lose depth, longlasting appeal and, overall, the very essence of what a Shin Megami Tensei game should be. In that sense, yes. It does harm it.
But, as with everything, the way it is harmed is very subjective, and this is just my personal opinion.
Disregard it if you must.
PS: I’ll admit that I’ll very likely still buy Persona 4: Golden, and Arena. I still want ATLUS games on my shelves.
To keep it short and sweet I’ll respond with just this; In that respect I will kind of agree with you. I did think you meant it will hurt sales, but you cleared that up just nicely. I will stay optimistic though since Golden does have higher difficulty options (which I will of course be playing on no doubt) and I’m sure anything that follows also will. As far as everything else, only time will tell so we’ll see how things go with future releases.
Indeed. Let’s just keep our hopes up and trust that ATLUS will deliver like only they can.
Thank you for your replies!
Don’t get me wrong. Persona 4’s great. I wrote a 12-page essay on it and the Hero’s Journey (or, in this case, the Fool’s Journey) for a Mythology class I took.
That said, I’d have to put it second to EarthBound. P4 is inventive and intelligent, but it’s just so very slowly-paced. EarthBound starts a bit slow, but even then it’s still quirky and entertaining enough to get going until about halfway through the second town where you get your second party member. Then it turns into an absolute rollercoaster of awesome and fun.
That said, were it not for it and P3, I wouldn’t’ve turned into the SMT junkie I am now…
Hey Spoony! I also love Atlus RPGs, so much so that they are the only console video games I own. Oh I’ve bought and given away various other games over the years but I’ve actually kept my massive Atlus collection.
Oh I remember the first SMT games, being able to read and speak Japanese meant I didn’t have to wait for a translation before I could play them… finding a voltage converter for Japanese hardware in the 90s was much harder for me.
Persona 4 being the best RPG? Well, *J*RPG certainly, but best of the best?
I got three words for you:
Holy Crap! Spoony is leaving Thatguywiththeglasses!!! Man…well, I’m still gonna follow him on his site. Channel Awesome is losing a big player!
Honestly, personally, I’ve mainly been following him via this site to begin with…
Spoony is leaving That Guy Withe The Glasses!?!? I guess his lack of regular updates had to get him fired sooner or later. I’m still gonna follow him on this site though.
Spoony is leaving That Guy With The Glasses!?!? I guess his lack of regular updates had to get him fired sooner or later. I’m still gonna follow him on his site though.
I’m not surprised this would happen. Then again I’m kind of glad they did because Noah needs to get his shit together. He’s better off doing his own thing than dealing with everyone on that site.
Honestly the dude has been an asshole to damn near everyone on that site and I’m glad he’s gone from that site. I enjoy his videos but as a person. he’s a complete and utter dickbag who shits on his fans.
it was more like he got ‘fired’. something must’ve snapped and he went on a star wars novel-based joke spree against most of the producers. i guess he just didn’t want to play nice anymore when he really didn’t want to.
this could have more of an effect on the site than the lack of crossovers (to some fans, “YAY!”). Since the TSE site was on the CA server, it was secure. Now, this ship’s on the migrant path. It could spell trouble.
Atlus is great but the Shin Megami Tensei series has always been a hit or miss for me. Besides the Persona games, I dislike the games. Even still, the persona series is fun but also somewhat boring to me due to the combat system. For one reason or another, I don’t care for it. I never really got to sucked into the games though I only got to play 5 mins of Persona 4. I might check it out. Still, Nier is still my favorite console RPG.
I actually think the combat system is a lot more intuitive and seamless by the way the characters moved and their animations, it makes it ascetically more cool to look at. I also adore the social aspects of the series, even though it doesn’t do a whole lot what it could of been, I still found it charming and profound. But if you asked what my favorite Non-Persona SMT game is, it would have to be Digital Devil Saga.
That;s all well and good, but where’s Ultima 9 part 2?
Maybe now that Spoony has pissed off the entire fucking world he’ll be happy and actually put up some fucking content. At this point he should be regarded as a lost cause. I promise you this will be the last I post here. I’ll still watch unless he starts charging but really Noah doesn’t care about his fans or anybody else around him so why should we give a fuck about his personal problems?
Agreed, I’m tired of him treating his fans and everyone else like shit.
Watch at 35.00 :D :D
LordKat calls Spoony “the worst human being ever”. Seriously, he calls him exactly that.
Wow LordKat, engage in hyperbole much. “You need to give up because I don’t respect you.” I’ll tell you what LordKat, I lost all respect in you a long time ago, but i won’t tell you that you need to stop doing what you are doing because I realize that there are some out there who like you. Likewise, why don’t you respect Spoony’s fanbase and let us all get on with our lives.
Oh Spoonys personal cocksucker comes. You dont represent us PeaTear, go fuck yourself. @Lordkat: He actually has a point, when he calmes down, and talks about how Spoony stopped making relevant stuff, how he stopped trying to build something significant. But the first part was way to much rant, he should not have said that.
Umm. You do realize that you are standing up for a man who only dislikes Spoony because he thinks that Spoony caused him to lose an interview right? If you hate Spoony and the fanbase as much as you have shown, why don’t you go over to LordKat’s stream and have fun making fun of people behind their backs all night long.
Considering that LordKat was doing something that he loved and he lost a huge opportunity with direct confirmation that Spoony was involved with that lost opportunity I’d be pretty pissed off as well if I were in LK’s shoes. It all comes down to whether or not you’re the type of person who can hold a grudge and for how long.
I actually think LordKat’s attitude is entirely valid regarding spoony albeit a bit exagerated .
Eugh, can’t believe I listened to 15 minutes of that. I know Spoony should shake his act up, but listening to Kat spit with geek-rage? No thanks.
… actually, while I’m replying to this, I find most of Merost’s activity is either shitting over Spoony or picking arguments with die-hards like PeaTear. Sometimes it’s warranted, but I’ve got to question what’s motivating Merost to return to this site and post in the comments section. Whether he actually wants to see the old Spoony return, or watch the current one burn.
What an ass.
Albeit melodramatic, this guy isn’t wrong. After listening to it and reading Spoony’s twitter and reviewing his work he has a point. That’s all I’m saying. I agree with him about TGWTG too, mostly because i don’t find them funny generally either. Don’t agree with him as much about Angry Joe though, especially since I feel he’s becoming more and professional in his work, and it’s reflected in this year’s E3 interviews that Joe has done.
Wow this new Disqus thing looks awful.
Anyway, I agree Persona 4 was a great game- its not the best console RPG to me but it’s up there.
I am not really interested in the remake at all or the fighting game though. It’s not because the voice changes either, although they are bad but I understand why they had to go with that. Really it’s just because P4 is 100 hours you guys haha. I don’t need to play it again.
I’m not really into fighting games anymore so maybe I’ll check it out, but to be honest I probably wont (just being realistic).
I’m sure they will be fine games though.
Yeah. This new Disqus thing is horribad.
For fucks sake Spoony stop with all the E-Drama. Make your Lets Plays and Reviews, and nothing else.
Your site sucks now, you dont do anything funny anymore. Wohoo 20 hours archived livestreams. Wohooo 2min interviews on E3 about stuff no one cares about.
What happend to Phantasmagoria, to Ripper, to all the stuff we became fans for?
He is getting viewer and viewer site visitors. Half as much as last year:
Maybe that will wake him up. DUDE; we didnt become fans because of RPG livestreams and WrestleWrestle!!!
And here come the site-analysis graphs! woooooo
I know. I can’t believe I got sucked into that stupid Alexis graph.
I actually liked WrestleWrestle ._. Even though I don’t watch Wrestling, don’t even know if its on TV in my Country. But Spoony was so passionate about it, that I really got interested in it.
Who… Who the fuck voted this up.
Let me guess: You just came from Spoonys Forum were you are all busy sucking his cock, and now are surprised the majority is actually against him.
Wow. What an unpleasant person. I think I’ll not dignify this with a response.
You just did ;)
I agree with the colonel. Old Spoony was Good Spoony was FMV / Lets Play / Review Spoony.
New Spoony is Bad Spoony is Internet Drama No real Content Spoony.
Actually, you will probably be seeing more of the forum guys around here since they are down while the site switches to a new server. So enjoy getting chewed out.
not seeing any “chewing” happening ;)
Okay what is the mentality here? “WE’RE AT WAR, SO PICK A SIDE”?
Fuck that. It’s for the birds. Gotta love how instead of voicing a disagreement, people can just click a number now. Thanks for that, Disqus.
Wait, you’re AGAINST this guy so you’re hanging out on his site and giving him business? How is your actions in any way opposing his?
That’s an excellent point. It’s called being crazy.
No if you’ll excuse me, I need to protest what Spoony is doing while adding traffic to his website. *eye twitches, foams at mouth slightly*
Not part of the forums. I’m a patient person and I’ll wait for the vids and continue to watch them here as I have done since he was on youtube. People have attacked him continuously and it shows. He’s not biting back. I’m glad for this. I’m also quite peeved at Lupa for her stirring shit up where she shouldn’t. It’s also rather clear that this had nothing to do with an actual joke and more to do with certain people simply not liking him. so… I’m enjoying watching him tell people where to stick it.
Well uh. No. He is biting back. And he’s doing it artlessly. He told JonTron to fuck off. JONTRON. What the hell.
Who is jontron?
Funny reviewer on youtube. He’s getting pretty popular, and for good reason. Check him out.
I like Jontron…telling JonTron to fuck off is like kicking a puppy. :(
Hell, telling Kyle Kalgreen to fuck off is like kicking a puppy. A smart puppy.
Yep. And that comment you’re responding to? I think it’s what got me banned. Can’t be sure though.
Really? Shit, that’s awful. Sorry man.
I guess I have to give Spoony the Star Wars treatment. Remember the good times and pretend it ended on a high note.
I saw that a few days ago, before I realized what all was going down. It’s was like “Whuuuuuuuut?”
Well i can’t even really blame him with everyone giving Spoony advice, telling him to calm down, telling him he’s an asshole and whatnot from people who he barely knows or complete strangers. I think JonTron should know better than to pick at Noah right now and stick his nose in Spoony business. In my opinion all the people that were told to fuck off and die by Noah in the last few days and found themself offended fully deserve it.
JonTron a puppy? I always thought of him as of baby bear or raccoon he can take that minimal abuse.
Hmm, can I say something? JonTron is acting like the victim here when he clearly called Spoony a loser on one of his livestreams. Maybe it was just jokes (though it really didn’t sound at all like one) but when asked if he’d do a collab, he simply scoffed, “No, Spoony’s a loser..”. Now, I love JonTrons videos but for people to be pissed off over Spoony putting him in his place is just ridiculous. Jon ain’t so innocent himself, the fact he called him a loser for essentially no reason other than his own ego said alot to me, almost unsubbed the guy over it. Just my two cents.
You need assholes who produce shit and let it build up over time, pretending they’ll never have to clean it, before you can stir shit up. I would be looking for the causes of any problems before going around blaming someone just for pointing them out.
Agreed. And why the fuck is my new post at the bottom of the page??
If you want to do away with that, go up to the drop box at the top where it says discussion and click newest. It’s stupid, I know, but hey what are you gonna do?
cool, got it. Thanks!
I could honestly give two shits what’s going on in the soap box. When I come here I just give a shit about watchin me some videos.
Persona 4 is one of my favorites, but I think Xenoblades is up there, and now that I’m playing The Last Story, that one has reached the top as well. Chrono Trigger is of course another. :3
Though sadly I don’t think I will be picking up either Persona game. No psvita for me, since I don’t see too many exciting games to warrant purchasing it at this point, and I’m not a huge fighter game fan. Sad day eh?! But I will try both assuming I can find a way too. :3
Love Persona 4, love Xenoblade, but Last Story bored the crap out of me.
Really? that’s a shame, although I can see why. Still loved it though, although they said 40 hours of gameplay and I beat it in like 18 (with mass leveling for the final boss… Who puts an infinite training circle prior to the final boss which easily in 5 minutes allows you to be ten levels ABOVE said boss?). Going to try Pandoras Tower is anyone has any input on that game.
Sorry to hear you’re leaving. I’ll be waiting for you to make a video fully explaining as your recent Tweets are scaring the shit out of me.
Well, since we’re not talking about Atlus’ games, might as well put in my two cents on today’s drama: – It’s pretty aparant now, more than ever, that the lines between man and character are blurred beyond repair. Can we blame Spoony for being snarky and confrontational? No, of course not. That’s his niche, that’s his character. But, when ‘shit gets real’, and NOAH gets snarky and confrontational, then lines have to be drawn. No one likes being on the recieving end of insults and shit slung their way, no matter how much the sender is ‘joking’ or ‘being what everyone expects him to be’. For example, James Rolfe is NOT a curse-spewing, shit-slinging angry nerd all the time. That’s his character. That’s for entertainment. We can appreciate that kind of entertainment, but would we have a problem with the guy if his hatred was directed towards us? Of course we would. Here, I think the separation from Noah and ‘TheSpoonyOne’ is gone. As much as he denies it, he’s now become his character. – Because of this, people become separated. Some people like hanging out with the angsty snark. It’s great laughs. It’s rebellious. It’s a way we can turn a snotty eye on society. Then there are some of us that, put simply, don’t like assholes. We don’t like that kind of negative energy engulfing our lives. It just doesn’t ‘feel’ good to us. – So, what’s my point in all of this? That this guy seriously has some issues, and his fame (internet or otherwise) is not helping the situation at all. Does that mean he’s a lost cause? Of course not. We ALL have issues. We’re just blessed to not have our issues blown out of proportion by fame or infamy. None the less, this situation can go in two directions. One, this could be the start of this man’s inevidable downfall. Or, two, this could be the start of his re-invention. Not being part of CA anymore is a great opportunity to really shine in your own light. However, you need to take that chance and run with it, not letting the drama slow you down. I will honestly say I’m dissapointed that this situation happened, but I genuinely wish the best of luck for Noah. Every downfall is an opportunity, every ‘Great Depression’ is an opening for the next fortune.
See this is the comment that SHOULD be top-rated.
Btw downvote my comment. It’s fun, and it has no impact on any other record, unlike the upvotes.
thanks. I come from the perspective of a hardcore TSE fan from the youtube/pre-blip era. I never heard of Channel Awesome until Spoony was recruited, and with the exception of Angry Joe and the anniversary movies, am not that impressed by ANY of them. I don’t watch Nostalgia Critic, and the only other show I watch is AT4W, and that’s just for the storylines.
My thoughts come from pure, unfiltered honesty and a genuine care for another human being. Noah has the wit, charm, and talent to really excel as an entertainer, internet or otherwise. People in the performing arts naturally have a ‘couple of screws loose’, but that’s okay, and if utilized productively, can create great art. The trick is to harnessing that craziness instead of letting it take over.
Well, enough preaching from me. In all practicality, if he keeps putting up great content (now unfiltered and unleashed), carves out his niche, and manages his life and alter-ego, he can surpass CA by leaps and bounds. It’s no question he was the star producer of TGWTG, surpassing the NC in talent and creativity on many occassions. This is his chance to prove that.
I love Spoony, I would rate him and the NC as equals overall but Spoony has much higher highs and much lower lows , the Snob is probably the greatest internet reviewer though.
Anyway, I hope this doesn’t undo the steady incline of quality we’ve been seeing from the Spoony One lately, keep up the good work man, you shouldn’t care what Lupa thinks, she’s just… not funny, and for an internet reviewer, that’s worse than being an asshole.
Not going to downvote your comments. Looking around at the other comments on this page, I have to say that this is the real reason why I’m angry about the situation.
Not Antwiler. Not Allison. Not Phelan. Not anybody at TGWTG.
The people whom I am really angry at are certain fans of TSE who only care about him making videos for them to view. They could care less about his personal problems as long as it dosen’t affect the Experiment from getting updates.
It reminds of a time in Ring Of Honor Wrestling when Nigel McGuinness was seriously injured and thus could not defend the World Title at Glory By Honor VI. And for some of the ROH fans, all they cared about was that they would not be seeing a Title match at the PPV and booed a guy who WANTED to defend the belt and put on a great match but could not because he was not cleared to wrestle.
It made Nigel question his love for wrestling and whether he should bother giving great matches for the fans if said fans don’t care about his personal health and only want their entertainment.
And now, it seems that the same frustration Nigel had is something similar to this one. I’m not placing any blame on any side, not Lupa or Spoony. In my opinion, Noah brought most of this on himself and admited that it was in his interest to leave TGWTG. He wasn’t unceremoniously fired and thrown out while protesting against it.
But a lot of his fans certainly didn’t help. Their harrassment of Lupa, JesuOtaku, Phelous, their insults at TGWTG for letting him go and even their pestering of Spoony for not giving them exactly what they want is NOT making the situation better for anybody, especially not Noah.
I’m a big fan of Spoony, in fact he’s my favorite out of all the TGWTG reviewers (Doug Walker is my 2nd-most favorite after Spoony). And as a fan of him, what I want from him is to actually take a break from the Experiment, maybe even a long one if he has to. Focus on his personal problems and issues. He’s been talking about possibly moving to a different state or even country.
Like any Spoony fan, I too want to see more videos from him, but that should not take piority over his own personal life. While they aren’t as enjoyable or as hilarious as his Let’s Plays or his film or game reviews, I still enjoy seeing his v-logs and his comments/interviews at gaming conventions, especially when he’s talking with his brother Miles about a movie he’s recently seen. I’ve grown more fond of those particular v-logs, especially after seeing them tear into Transformers 3 together.
All in all, Noah Antwiler is an awesome reviewer and I will always want to see more material from him, but I won’t demand that he focus on a certain type of material nor say that he should care more about providing for his fans than about his own personal life.
To anybody who calls themselves a fan of Spoony, instead of demanding that he upload his next review ASAP, ask that he take the time to resolve his own personal problems before working on his videos.
I’m still a fan of Spoony AND of TGWTG, and I hope both parties can find a way to overcome this situation peacefully, move on from it and then continue to give out entertaining reviews. And who knows, maybe it’s for the best that Antwiler left TGWTG. They’ve stated that he’s still welcome to appear in crossovers and work with them if he wishes to, so it’s not like he’s being exiled, never to return.
I just hope things get better for him eventually, and that he will someday, AFTER resolving his personal problems, go back to just happily and wilfully doing what he does best: entertain us with his reviews.
If that means he has to take a long break from the Experiment, then so be it. I’m sure we TSE fans can afford to wait.
You DO bring up a good point that I didn’t mention. Business cost (and I consider TSE Noah’s ‘business’, in a sense that his entertainment makes him money) should NEVER exceed personal cost. Never EVER, PERIOD. I come from a fan’s perspective because I’m NOT his personal friend…but if I was, and I saw that this type of work is costing him in his personal life and his personal well being, I would wholeheartedly suggest a break. Especially in the entertainment business, if you’re not having fun doing it anymore, you shouldn’t keep doing it, because people can see the difference in passion.
In the end, this is Noah’s decision to make, not mine or anyone else’s. Whatever is best for him to do is what he should do, whether that’s continuing, reinvention, a break, or moving onto something else. All we can do is respect and support.
I also realize that several of the comments here, my own included, seem
oriented around just caring about spoony’s continued production of
reviews. You make a good point and I would like to say I’m sorry for
being just like the rest in that regard with my original comment. I
really do hope you know that I and several of your other fans wish you
the best of luck Noah with whatever your troubles are in this current
situation.and in life in general. We all deal with a form of depression
at one time or another. I cannot and will not say if what i have dealt
with is worse than your troubles but i do hope that you can see the
brighter side and not just the dark place we all see ourselves in at
Spoony was suspended for 4 weeks for misconduct, then banned and subsequently fired. If Spoony was released on good terms, why was he suspended and banned first?
The suspension was not made lightly, I think. It could not have been comfortable to do that to him. Noah himself agrees with the decision to suspend him.
Also, as for him leaving TGWTG, you can call it him being ‘fired’ if you wish. From one of the PR guys for TGWTG (I think her name is Holly Christine), they said that he sat down with some of them (Rob Walker included) and eventually came to a conclusion that it would be best for everybody, Noah included, that he leaves TGWTG. Noah himself agrees with it and even said that he HAD been thinking about leaving, perhaps even before this whole mess with Lupa on Twitter started.
TGWTG has stated that he is still welcome to work with them on reviews and other stuff and that they will leave an option to rehire him open should he one day decide to do so. It’s not like he’s being banished forever.
Looking at it now, I have to say that I am more or less relieved that it was done that way. It could have gone much, much worse. Noah is still having chats with some of the TGWTG guys on Twitter (just saw a really funny exchange between him and Benzaie), so it’s not like he’s planning to burn all his bridges with them.
What I want more than anything right now is for him to eventually get better both physically and mentally. He’s never been in the best of health (heart conditions and whatnot), his mental psyche hasn’t been all that great since Feb 2011…and he STILL can deliver awesome reviews (The Final Fantasy X-2 review was hilarious, and the very recent Ultima IX: Ascension review was incredible)
I’m a big fan of the Experiment, and because of that, I want him to set it aside in favor of resolving his personal problems. It pisses me off that people demand that he focus on giving them funny reviews, not caring that he’s got more important issues to take care of.
Oh well, if he’s still on good terms with some of TGWTG, then it may bot be as bad as I think.
I still have a lot of questions about Spoony’s account getting banned. Maybe the banning was just some sort of automatic response, part of the account termination process or something.
I think Spoony could have quit rather than fired. Just a guess, but
like you asked, how do you go from suspended to fired? He may have just
had enough working with certain members of TGWTG.
I think the suspension was for him to seek help and get his proverbial shit together, but seeing it didn’t work and he continued being nasty, they had to fire him and like other producers in the past that were fired because of their own doings, they will not associate with him anymore (might’ve been a mutual decision); that’s what I get from what I’ve read and seen.
“Released to pursue his own creative etc” is business speak in the creative industry for “Fired” it just sounds nicer.
For all its free and easy access to knowledge and entertainment, there sure to be a lot of hate and envy around…
I sure hope the situation isn’t as bad as it sounds. And I don’t care how long of a break he’ll take, as long as it helps him.
This I have to agree with, however. I come here for the videos, I honestly really care about the videos primarily, but we can’t have a Spoony Experiment if Spoony flips his lid or gives up or what have you. And yelling at the guy to quit wallowing and start producing already really isn’t helping anyone. It doesn’t help Spoony, it doesn’t help the fans and it just makes things worse. That’s what I mean when I say it’s a “personal matter” – it’s something Noah really has to figure out for himself, and trying to stick our noses in his business just makes it worse.
All I say comes down to the same central point – leave the guy alone, leave the TGWTG folks alone and just let this go already.
Watch the “Spoony vs. The Internet” video. It’s the perfect example of “blurring the lines between character and real life”. He spends about 90 minutes trashing his fans like they were just some bad movie.
Look at how different Doug is from the Nostalgia Critic. Yeah, the Nostalgia Critic is funny when he talks about a movie, but if NC talked to his FANS that way, no one would be laughing. That’s why Doug isn’t in character when he addresses his fans.
This is only a fraction of what your post is about. This definitely deserves to float to the top of the list. Maybe the new Disqus isn’t so bad after all.
It is interesting reading your take. You are perhaps one of the most vocal Spoony-die-hard fans. Things aren’t shining as bright as they used to eh?
Ever heard of the Skinner’s Box experiment? Basically, you set up a bird cage with a food dispenser that activates when the pigeon inside the cage pushes a button. After a few days, the bird will associate “button push” with “reward”, and will start pushing the button like mad. Interestingly, even if you deactivate the button so the pigeon doesn’t get food, that pigeon will still be conditioned to push the button.
That’s my relationship with this website. I associate “visit The Spoony Experiment” with “reward”, even though there is usually no reward. I just sort of go on and off of the comments page, expecting something to update in some far corner of my brain.
Basically, I’m only here because of my own psychopathy. If I can offer any sort of defense to some the more irrationally hard-core fans, that would be it.
Your insight, even with your own actions, is still more profound than most. Nicely said.
I do that with the fridge. Keep checking it like you expect something to magically materialize even though you know nothing will have changed.
Goddamn it. Come back from a trip and this shit hit the fan.
Not that I didn’t see it coming:
I’ve been waiting for Noah to cross the line where his “employers” (patrons, whatever) got fed up with him entirely and just sacked him.
Given the cycle of “Do Nothing. Become bored. Become Lonely. Piss off coworkers/people on Twitter because of said boredom/loneliness. Release video. Repeat.” it was inevitable that this was going to escalate into something he could not ignore. His current twitter shows apathy more than anything, and I know that feeling all too well. It’s the precursor to a breakdown.
I understand being depressed (and ironically, nobody who IS depressed will ever accept that; I’ve done the apathy and auto-rejection shit too) not being motivated and hating the world for being a shitbasket full of manipulative, whiny assholes.
But wallowing in it isn’t going to change that.
Spoony has real talent for comedic writing and acting. What I saw of him before shows he isn’t always a prick; his Battlestar Galactica and Transformers 3 w/Brad shows a pretty honest, opinionated person. From what I can tell, his outbursts on Twitter stem from desperation rather than an ongoing agenda (at least initially).
If it’s all just a ruse and he really is a colossal asshole, then I imagine this will sort itself out in time, because eventually, nobody will work with him if they think he has no conscience.
Image is everything in work like his. Can’t escape it.
Assuming it isn’t a ruse: He needs help, yet, if you criticize what he has become, he gets pissed off and bans you. I’m not saying that everyone who criticizes him has been fair about it, and nobody likes being told “You’re doing it wrong” especially in the context of professional and personal life, but there comes a point where you cannot just bury your head in the sand and hope it blows over.
I’m hoping Spoony realizes that if he keeps blowing up against his fanbase, blowing off work, and railing against his friends/co-workers, he’s going to land in deep shit in the coming year; possibly sooner.
And that the (immediate) solution isn’t that difficult. Just drop the contempt, take an official break, get away from the business for a while, and contemplate what the hell he actually wants/needs to do before shit ACTUALLY gets real, bills get too big, and his friends/connections run out of patience.
Maybe he doesn’t want to do that since he took most of last year off. But then again, last time he took a break he came back really strong. Maybe if he does a couple more Counter Monkeys. They were awesome and he doesn’t have to worry about coming up with content for a review since he’s a naturally good story teller.
I guess he burned all his bridges, well being an nitpicky elitist half the time, finally catches up with you. I mean no offense, Spoony was funny but, he was also a major dick half the time anyway. I hated some of his V-logs, all he ever did was complain about logic in a movie that really had none to begin with. I think Prometheus just plain pissed me off, but hey whatever, let him get his personal problems in order. And then he can come back and bitch about other crap until he goes into another tailspin. He take however much time he wants to, truth be told I don’t feel real sorry for him.
I like his vlogs and movie reviews, actually. If only because he, like Brad Jones and his gang, will go into the tradecraft, the filmography, and the plot structure rather than just doing the usual sweeping-generalities that newspaper columns and Roger Ebert wield. Filmography something of a personal interest of mine even though it has no real bearing on my career.
Though that’s beside the point: If he’s burned all his bridges, then he will get what he deserves.
And what a waste of talent that will be.
Can only seem to find two Spoony vs. Internet videos, the one he did on Mass Effect 3 and another on Joss Whedon. Which one were you talking about?
Sorry, it’s the Mass Effect video.
He’s vicious and mean in those streaming videos. I was a big fan, and now I’m just disappointed.
I’ve left a while back, because I had grown tired of both people who hate on Spoony and people who defend Spoony with an unwarrented passion and overzealous nature.
After I saw everything, I decided to delve a little deeper into the issue and watch those “Spoony vs The Internet” videos, and I was frankly shocked. The ego on Noah is just too damn high, if I may use memes. I’m not saying there’s anything wrong with it. But it’s definitely… uncomfortable.
he has lost it, He looks high
Spoony is an asshole. His spoony vs the internet video where he abuses his fans for an hour, his me3 ending video abusing people and calling them idiots for no reason, using phrases like “thin skinned cunts” after the lupa incident. I have been watching Spoony’s show for years now, but in the last few months I have noticed him coming out with really broad comments, really sexist and annoying stuff, he’s also been angrier and more indignant towards his fans. I am still going to watch his videos but do I think he is a decent human being? NO. Hell no. Until he shows evidence to the contrary, it’s safe to assume he is an asshole with a huge ego but at the same time a total lack of self esteem, a walking contradiction who needs to get out more.
I watched the Spoony vs. the Internet 3: Mass Effect 3 video. It’s not markedly different from your average episode of Wrestle Wrestle, where he’d call the TNA fans “fucking sheep.” Whether that makes the guy an asshole in real life or not? Probably, yeah, I’ll give you that. But this is what I came to see. This is why I watched Wrestle Wrestle. This is why I watch his vlogs.
To me, the Spoony One’s non-scripted stuff is a bit like browsing through untagged porn – you gotta’ know how to pick out ONLY the stuff you like, lest you accidentally watch the kind of sick shit that won’t let you sleep for months. I don’t agree with the guy on roughly half his vlog reviews. I specifically and wholeheartedly disagree with him on his Mass Effect 3 views. But honestly? Watching that video didn’t make me any angrier than watching, say, his review of Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull, where similar insults towards anyone who liked the movie were hurled.
Maybe Spoony is just a giant asshole who found a way to make money out of being an asshole. Let’s roll with that. So what? I come here for the videos, I stick with the ones that are funny, I avoid the ones that offend me and everybody wins. What happens in his personal life has no bearing on any of the reasons I have to come to this site, nor is it any of my business, strictly speaking.
couldn’t have said it better.
To me, it sounds like Spoony is having a bipolar episode. He’s been depressed for a while and then goes on a manic shit slinging episode? The dude really needs help and meds. If it isn’t some kind of issue like that, then he’s just shown the world how big of an ass he really is. Not great when you depend on viewership for your bread and butter. Right now he’s still flying high, but just wait until he comes down… He needs to get to a doctor before he realizes just how bad the consequences of his actions are, because I’m afraid he may not come back from this one. I’ve been following him for a few years, and I’ve never seen him do anything like this.
Uh, I think you’re presuming too much.
this sounds right on, I have it and it just seems that he does too, sometimes the lows can be dangerously low……I wish you would check on this spoons
It can be dangerously low, yes. But giving it too much attention won’t really help.
I think he developed an ideological attachment to this “self” of him, too. Which basically translates into an emotional habit. I think he’s a bit beyond medicine right now.
He should really check on it, but unless he gets serious help, I don’t see it changing anytime soon.
Bipolar is most definitely the closest guess.
Most people attribute bipolarity disorders to extreme sadness contrasted with extreme happiness. The high stage and the low stage. Whereas these stages are mostly present, bottomline happiness and depression themselves aren’t always the case.
You see, one of the most common defense mechanisms we have is to assure our own ego when we are insecure. We usually use various arbitrairy reasons as to why we deserve a better treatment. In Spoony’s case, his Internet celebrity-status, even though I don’t really have a full grasp on the qualifications or requirements of that title are.
He doesn’t need to be crying and trying to cut himself, per se. If he’s on an insulting spree, all the while boosting his own ego using his own personal tools for such, he could just as well subconsciously be trying to lift himself up from an emotional rut. That’d be his low stage.
Whenever he is most apathetic, though, could just as well be his high stage. He feels happy enough to resume life as it once were, whereas in his current situation, it’d definitely warrant some serious pep-talk to even show your face publicly.
I hope everything turns out for the best.
Hey, check his twitter. It turns out you were right: he has Type II Bipolar.
I think the whole issue with spoony being angry sometimes is that he himself cannot take any criticism, or at least he cannot take it well. I think this is signified pretty well by the concentration camp that his forums have become.
On the other side is the problem that most “nerdy” communities like tgwtg tend take badly to people who act out their anger. Most people play nice around each other because they have to as it is mandated by community rules. There is no place for any real conflict and there is no real middle ground between lovey-dovey and an all-out flamewar.
So if Spoony vents his opinions through anger this is how he does it. People complain about his spoony vs. the internet videos but the truth is that internet communities just attribute anger to a lack of reason or (even worse) medical conditions. If someone is unwilling to play nice and eat shit all the fucking time he is not accepted.
This is starting to get absurd, to be honest. Maybe Spoony has a problem, maybe Spoony is misunderstood, maybe Spoony is a colossal asshole. I don’t know and, frankly, I don’t care. What the man does with his own personal life is his own business and how he treats his coworkers and family is something to handle privately between said coworkers and family and the Spoony One himself. That this keeps getting dragged around and paraded with “insights” is unconscionable to me.
So many otherwise respectable people have dragged themselves through the mud it feels like I’m watching that new Tomb Raider trailer, and I frankly feel it makes the whole of the Internet a dirtier, less appealing place to be. It tells me that anything which happens to a person, no matter how significant or how personal, is free game for Internet backdraft to blow up into a flame war. It honestly feels like I’m browsing the DamnYouAutoCorrect.com comments, where people will take someone’s text messages and proclaim how that person is a horrible parent or a slut or what have you.
Someone on the Internet said that no-one’s walking away clean from this, and that’s the real tragedy, as far as I’m concerned. The moment this thing gained any popularity, people came out of the woodwork to validate themselves for always hating Spoony by saying horrible things, and then people came out to defend him by saying horrible things in return. TGWTG contributors who really should have known better got involved and made a mess of things and… Yeah, no-one’s walking away clean, because everyone made it his business to stick his nose into the problem and try to make it worse by “helping.”
The best thing about the Internet is it gives everyone a voice. The worst thing about the Internet is it gives EVERYONE a voice.
This wasn’t necessarily a private event. It never truly was.
The way Spoony addresses his friends, and then justifies it by stating that he is, and I quote, “just breaking you guys’ balls, that’s what guys do, they break eachother’s balls”. The way in which he adds strength to his argument by using needless insults. The way he words himself entirely. The replies he’s done to people on Twitter.
This is Twitter. Not a “text message”, or phonecall, or “amongst the family”. It’s pretty much public, and it is, very much, just as you’ve said, “fair game”. If you want to avoid being subject to scrutiny, be subtle about your actions. This isn’t post-renaissance. This should be pretty standard, and well known and documented information.
Now, I do agree that people overreact to it way too much. People spewing extreme hatred also did get to me a while ago, after years of watching and not saying a single word on forums or comments sections. But one just has to learn how to ignore that people are assholes behind a screen.
Spoony himself is a culprit of this, behaving the way he does toward the camera, and on Twitter, but then acting like a wet kitten, to nab an expression from a fellow poster here, right in front of people, specifically his fans.
Had he done his little “Stand Up” routine in a VLog Format, I can promise you there would have been insults. Somewhere. Somehow.
Spoony and his fans, yeah, that’s a public affair, I agree. I can see an argument being made about that Spoony vs. the Internet video, and I’d even be willing to weigh in. And I have. But that’s not he’s being crucified for here, and that’s really not at the heart of the discussion. What’s being dragged around is what Lupa said or what LordKat said or why he was “fired” from TGWTG and all manner of other things that we, as fans, really have no business sticking our noses in.
How Spoony treats his fans, yes, that’s fair game. It’s between Spoony and his fans. How Spoony treats his coworkers family and friends, though, is between those people. Unless any of us happen to be actual real-life friends or colleagues or family of Noah, we really have no place to make it our business. Now, if Miles wants to weigh in or Spoony comes out and makes a public statement on his own site? Yeah, that would make it our business. But until then, it’s Internet drama.
For the record, I haven’t seen the Twiter exchange. I really don’t do Facebook and Twitter, so maybe I missed something important. I don’t know.
I completely agree that this is his turning point of his life as an entertainer and I also wish him luck. But what inspired you to write such an unbiased and well written comment like this? Is it because of this video or has Spoony done something outrageous again lately?
So why don’t I see Spooney on TGWTG at all? what happened?
He was fired yesterday, so don’t plan on seeing any more of his stuff there.
If not for these comment I would have never known. i stopped going to that site a long time ago. Used to go there for Doug back in the day when it was just a couple of folks like him, suede, and when benzai was just starting out. Then he kinda became a parody of himself and it just wasn’t good anymore.
I agree, its funny how doug walker always criticize movies being unfunny and bad taste, but the same goes for him too
Back when Doug was starting out and through his first year of videos it seemed like he was enjoying himself and letting a mix of minor scripting and his own personality do it’s magic. Now he seems to try too hard, forcing jokes and exaggerated expressions to get laughs. He’s become so slapstick with his humor that I can’t even watch anymore. That’s my personal feelings on it, so if anyone here disagrees with that and still likes his stuff then that’s cool, but I just don’t anymore.
they all need to take a page from Red Letter Media and have a bit more fun and do proper reviews instead of forced out weekly ones. I still watch a good chunk of channel awesome, but they really do have that “SQQUUUUUEEEEE” response as spoony or mr. plinkett does when i see a new one out.
WHY ARE YOU LEAVING CHANNEL AWESOME???
I’m actually considering starting a twitter account now after all of this. I’m loving it. Pure chaos and I don’t see anything wrong with what hes doing(the rape comment was a little out there, but it’s just the freakin internet). God, people are just so damn sensitive. There are actually real problems out there in the world and Spoony’s “attitude” is not one of them to get worked up over. I can understand that people want content, but sometimes drama happens and we’ll just have to wait til it plays out.
CA has been pretty much dead to me anyways with the exception of Brad Jones(he’s part of CA, right?), Spoony(obviously), and Angry Joe. I’ll catch a Nostalgia Critic every blue moon. I’ll watch the Anniversary thing too when it happens.
Spoony, you’re still awesome. Keep representin!
ps. Don’t move so I can still say that we are AZ brethren.
Straight from Spoony’s Twitter account. “No more Pathfinder for a long while, guys. If ever. Most of the players no longer want to associate with me.” Whelp I hope you’re proud of yourselves. Looks like you got exactly what you wanted. No more Pathfinder. Now Spoony can forever make reviews for you whenever you feel like it. Except he can’t because Pathfinder wasn’t the problem.
It’s not our fault if spoony wants to be an ass to his players or others.
Hey, I’m just saying that the guys who have cried to the heavens for weeks to rid this site of Pathfinder have finally gotten their way.
Meh I didn’t mind pathfinder personally, but it is sorta his fault you gotta admit.
Yes, Spoony has been acting up as of late, but that does not give anybody the right to go around DEMANDING that he stop doing what he likes and give them the FREE entertainment that they want. Maybe the situation with Spoony wouldn’t be so bad if everybody tried some constructive criticism of his work rather than call him an asshole who doesn’t work fast enough.
Well I don’t care about his work ethic, I’m just mad at the way he’s treating people right now, especially fans.
sry for the double post.
No problem it happens.
Yes, how spoony treats his fans at times is harsh. I cannot deny that. And i don’t entirely agree with it when he does, and it is insulting. And I wish he would stop doing it. But he has in a way set a precedent that he will come down on anyone and everyone about anything, regardless of if they are fans or not. You can either see that as a type of personality trait that is disfavorable or you can see it in some other way. I… kinda see it as disfavorable, especially with it just being lashing out at people. But hey the guy is angry right now, what can you expect? I mean its not like being his fan means your his friend.
I get that. But right now I’m just sick of his freaking BS towards his fans, those who are legitimately concerned or otherwise get the ban-hammer, he’s living in his own egotistical fantasy world and I’m gonna call him out on it. I get that I might annoy a few of the users for the site and I apologize for that but I feel like I have to speak out on it.
Yes, Spoony loves to throw out insults. I can see why that is annoying, but you have to admit on this whole banhammer issue that there are several who have been begging for it for a long while now.
It is unacceptable conduct towards people who support him and that’s the last I’ll say on it. His vids are good but as a person he’s an ass. Depression or no
I understand that you are mad, but now is the time that this site needs the fans to remain as united as possible. The last thing TSE needs right now is the fans constantly tearing each other apart.
Well nobody comes out of this situation entirely guilt free. No you, no me, not anybody. We all make mistakes, but that is no reason for people to demand that Spoony drop everything that he enjoys and work 24 hours a day producing FREE entertainment for them.
The graphics from Persona 4 Arena reminds me of Blazblue CS. And the controls remind me of their simple mode cuz you can spam a button to make combos too. Personally, I like memorizing each character’s combos and specials as in helps you know each individual character’s style more. I wish it was going to be like that but it doesn’t appear so…
Yaay no more boring Pathfinder!
And guess why :D From Spoonys Twitter: Noah Antwiler @TheSpoonyOne
No more Pathfinder for a long while, guys. If ever. Most of the players no longer want to associate with me.
Because it was so hard for you not to click the video wasn’t it. No instead of seeing that the content wasn’t for you and moving on, we have to get rid of Pathfinder because it isn’t up to antiquaris’ liking.
more like have to get rid of it because no one wants to play with him. wonder why.
geez spoons Id ove to asscociate with you……………
Hey spoony just heard you got fired. So maybe now you will start giving us what we want video-game playthroughs with commentary. Look at theradbrad he has 130 million views and if its 2.5 per 1k thats a shit ton of money. He only puts out a few 20 minute parts every few days how hard is that.
Never played Persona 4, but I did what someone play through the first 10 hours, and after that 4 hour long intro where you had about 10 minutes worth of actual gameplay, I can say it looks pretty good.
Also, why the hell is everyone talking about some e-drama about spoony.
Because this is the newest post on the site I guess.
Perhaps my information is wrong and it isn’t lupa at all or her Bf but i
have a seriously hard time believing that. And maybe i am entirely
talking out of my ass. Obviously i don’t have insider information to base
this on. But I’ve been in knee deep red faced bullshit drama at a work
place before where your treated entirely unfairly by a boss who just doesn’t give a shit. So although i don’t know what went down exactly its
easy to paint a picture. If it turns out I’m wrong then I’m wrong. But
for now I’m going with what I’m saying.
Yeah.. So as it is to my current understanding. This is all caused by Lupa and others bringing up stuff from the past that Noah has already said sorry for ( not saying he should have, just saying he did ) and was punished for. He did his time so why are people dragging out old shit from the basement to throw back at him?
Well the only reason for such things is because the people doing it don’t like him. I like a few of Lupas reviews but for the most part I find her to be annoying and this just kinda puts icing on the cake so to speak as to her personality. You have to be pretty malicious and cold hearted to bring all of this back up, did JO even have a issue with his original comment on twitter a year ago? Why do you care Lupa, the comment wasn’t even about you. Getting offended because you feel his statement imply’s rape is one thing. Going on a vindictive rampage and getting a guy fired is a whole other thing.
Now you may be saying, but Spoony is on a twitter rampage and is insulting anyone and everyone he can because hes a giant idiot and blah blah. Well how would you react, to being fired from a company because co workers or total strangers bring up old possibly emotional stuff that causes you to get very angry. And your boss obviously not caring that its being brought up and instead of investigating this and asking people, why are you starting shit with this guy when there was no reason to bring up the past? They instead just firing you based on just a few personal opinions from other employees that have little to nothing to do with the actual business aspect of job? Taking into account not that the issue was brought up but only that you began slandering employees on a social media as a recation to unfair treatment. If anything Lupa needs to get fired.
How would you react to people talking shit about you? You’d talk shit right back to them, you’d say senseless and insulting things just to be a dick to them, just because you can and you don’t see a point in not doing it given that you’ve already been found guilty and sentenced. Now some of you are crapping on Noah for going on a twitter rampage, but are you really suprised? Thats what twitter was invented for. hell thats what the internet was invented for, talking smack about people or shit you don’t like.
Spoony i have always enjoyed your reviews, and to be honest i have always thought that your newer videos whilst associated with tgwtg and CA have been sub par compared to your past video’s and ideas. I still got plenty of laughs, but your lets plays give me tons more laughs than some of your newer stuff. Your Shadowrun v-log was hilarious. I look forward to seeing what you can do without the influence of tgwtg. Although i do hope that somehow you maintain your association with Angry Joe. You guys seemed like friends and i am curious what he has to say about all of this, though i doubt very much that any of them will make a statement that contradicts what the company has said, in fear of losing their jobs to their strict christian oriented bosses.
“strict christian oriented” bosses?
Have you viewed their most recent advertisements? Its largely christian oriented. Or perhaps its just their most recent set of advertisements. But it certainly seems almost entirely to have been taken over by christian advertisement. And by bosses, i am in fact implying that tgwtg is now being directed by their advertisement owners.
oh…I don’t know. I don’t really pay attention to the ads except I remember that it’s usually a big name brand of some sort. Well, as a Christian, i have no problem with Spoony’s actions, but I’m not the one calling the shots.
one more thing, is Lupa’s BF an internet dude too? sorry, I find peoples personal lives interesting…
Her Bf, is Phealous, i think i spelled his name correctly. I hope i dont have the wrong person. He also does reviews.
Sad to see everything that is going on right now, with Spoony seeming angrier and more depressed than I have ever seen him right now along with everything that has happened with the Channel Awesome people. I hope he can get whatever is going on in his life straightened out. Maybe he can post a video to clear up everything that is going on too.
I don’t know anything about what happened with respect to you getting fired but it all sounds like a big over reaction. I suffer from depression too and I understand how horrible it is, but seriously bro, going on a twitter rant is not cool. Keep this shit behind closed doors, don’t air your dirty laundry in public.
Wow. Banned from the disqus. I’ve been following you for years. I even donated to you sometimes. And I only truly hated the fact that you said “fuck off” to JonTron.
I didn’t want to stop following you. I really, really didn’t. I always thought the people you banned deserved it. I figured they were bitter douchebags to begin with. Ignorance is bliss. Apparently you’re scattershot as hell when you’re mad, and that makes it virtually impossible to enjoy a future review of yours. So I guess I just won’t try. I’d never be able to get the bad taste from my mouth. I’m just some nobody troll, right? Yeah, surely. What would you care if you burn my bridge? Well, I was putting out good word of mouth about you. I’d show friends your Yor review, and they’d laugh nonstop. Mm.
I guess JonTron’s return sentiments are as good as any to repeat verbatim: “Good riddance you fool.” If there’s anyone I was to be banned for defending, I’m glad it’s him. I pray he never falls as far as you, Noah.
Wait YOU got banned. Seriously? Of all the people who have bitched and moaned, you were one of the more civilized responders. Somehow, I think this has to be a mistake.
Thanks. It means a lot to actually hear that, because that’s what I always tried to be. ):
I guess just one step off the arbitrary line is enough. I did like coming here, but I’m having that joy stripped from me. You see a guy like Noah fighting something sinister like SOPA, but he doesn’t fully appreciate what he was fighting against. A guy with a mute button somewhere, and once he hits you with it, you’re gone. And there’s no appeals proecess. I’m signed in with my twitter account. I suspect he’ll ban this too. Whatever. Can’t care anymore. Never thought I’d be that guy.
you have no place to lecture to this guy, you aren’t his mother and if his twitter offends you, then block him. watch his videos in the future, but ignore his real-life personality if you can’t handle it rather than preaching your bs to this guy. and yes, I’m a huge fan too, and can see both sides of the argument. but none of this is any our of business as far as I’m concerned. I come here to watch videos, not fret over twitter e-drama, its fucking stupid and ignorant to try and preach to the guy, no matter how insane he may be acting.
This is disgusting. You sound like you were a true fan. A fucking DONATOR too, you can’t be much more of a loyal fan than that.
I remember when he said the scariest movie he’d ever seen in his life was Office Space.
I wonder if he realizes the point of that movie was to show how vile it is to treat someone like a statistic without looking at the situation from their angle, among other things.
I think I’m starting to like the spoonyone less and less for some reason. I’m sorry but it’s just a feeling. I’ll come back when you get your shit together Noah. Best of luck to you. Your former viewer. Alex Washburn
We are all with you in this hard days Noah :c
Ok, I just read his twitter rant, and I have to say holy fuck. Dude seriously you need to chill the fuck out.
I just read Phelan’s Tweets on the subject of Spoony’s recent behavior, and it’s absolutely dead on. I don’t normally watch Phelan’s stuff, but anyone looking for some perspective in the huge mess should check it out.
“Being an ‘entertainer’ or ‘comedian’ is not a free pass to do or say anything .”
“OK FINE I’M SO SORRY @TheOnlyMikeJ AND BY THAT I MEAN I’M THE BEST AND I DON’T APOLOGIZE BITCHES!!!”
“No. [The rape joke was] NOT what he got fired for. He decided acting like an ass to people was his priority.”
I also read Phelan’s Twitter posts. And speaking as a big-time Spoony fan, I have to say this:
Phelan is absolutely right.
It’s face it, if the Blame Game HAS to be played regarding the situation between JesuOtaku, Lupa and Spoony on Twitter (let’s put aside the Leaving TGWTG situation and just focus on the Twitter exchanges), then, if I was playing that game, I’d have to say that a majority of the blame would have to go to Noah.
All it takes is one look at Tweets he’s made in a single day. I believe that he’s a good person at heart, but Noah can be a real prick when he wants to be, and unfortunately this was a time when he seriously damaged his relationships with fellow co-workers who are also genuinely good people.
It’s not like Lupa was completely innocent or uninvolved, but in no way was this whole thing her fault nor was it even the main reason for Spoony eventually leaving TGWTG.
Phelan had every right to be angry at Noah for what happened, and unfortunately all of his statements can be proven true. Noah was being an asshole to Lupa and I think that he himself will admit that if he’s calmed down enough to talk about it. I gurantee that if he one day decides to sit down and talk about the incident rationally, he WILL say that most of the blame should lie solely on him. EVERYBODY from TGWTG, Noah himself included, said that it wasn’t this incident alone that led to him leaving the site but several factors with said incident merely being one of them, if it was one at all.
Noah himself said that JesuOtaku was the only one who never did anything to cause the fire or fan its flames. It seems that most of his (whether fair or unfair) anger is directed towards Lupa, and honestly I do not approve of the way he spoke to her afterwards. She did NOT deserve that. Lupa herself even said that she does not want to see people insulting or cursing Noah because of what happened.
If anything, the only person who isn’t handling the situation as well as he could/should have is Noah himself. I understand that he wouldn’t be in the most calm, rational frame of mind, but that does not condone his words towards Lupa. If he fired back at somebody who insulted him, that’s understandable, but Lupa did not deserve any flak from anybody, Noah least of all.
So, if I HAVE to pick a side, which I refuse to do, but if I am FORCED to say that this guy was right and that guy was wrong, then I’ll stand by Phelan. People can look at and rationalize the situation anyway they want, but they cannot deny that not all of Noah’s words were justifiable.
P.S. As for Phelous the Reviewer/Character…I’m actually considering him to be one of the very best reviewers on TGWTG and probably one of the more underrated ones.
hate to stay on this issue, but does anyone else find it a bit fishy/uneasy/head-scratching that out of COMPLETE NOWHERE Scarlett happens to come back with her own statement? She created a whole tumblr for it and everything. I mean, after a year and a half of practically dissapearing from the web that she comes back, at this particular time, during this particular situation, involving another particular woman suspicious of contributing to Noah’s firing from CA? [edit: well, she returned to twitter on june 3rd, so I could be wrong about all this]
Now I have nothing against Jessica Miller. In fact, I just assumed she dropped the whole ‘scarlett’ persona and returned to the real world, and I would wish anyone well after that…but something about the timing of it all…that she pipes in NOW of all times…just doesn’t feel right.
I was more disturbed by the fact that she seems to be supporting Lupa for 2 reasons.
1. She is a woman
2. She is ginger
I do find the timing of this article a little suspect. She disappears for over a year and suddenly, when the site is at it’s lowest point she shows up. I love how most of the article focuses on insults that were thrown at her well over a year ago. What is this dig up old dirt and make mountains of out mole hills month?
Do you know the URL for Jessica Miller’s tumblr website?
I think sometimes people get his character and his real personality confused. Comedians do that a lot when they make fun of their fans? Why is Spoony the exception?Although granted, insult humor is not exactly my favorite, even if they are joking around. I could understand why some fans would be upset over his behavior and it’s sometimes difficult to tell if he’s acting out like his character or he really is angry. Kind of like the Distressed Watcher, although Distressed Watcher is more “in your face” than Spoony is. However people have become very thin skinned and take offense to the most minor of things and think everything is offensive and that bothers me too when someone can’t take a joke. Like he said with JesuOtaku, when it was painfully obvious it was a joke, it’s not my kind of joke, but a joke nonetheless. I don’t think that or talking to his fans was worth suspension, let alone 4 weeks. The Distressed Watcher made a vlog of his leaving of TGWTG, I think it is time that you too, should do the same thing, as some questions may be answered in a more clear coherent manner. Whenever someone leaves this site, it’s often vague and cryptic and hardly any explanations are given. It took me a while to find out why they got rid of ThatAussieGuy. People will ask many questions even as you do reviews, and if you do a vlog explaining this situation, people won’t be asking you as much. Also I do not understand Lord Kat being offensive to Spoony and Angry Joe as well. Then Lupa gets involved and it’s just one big mess. It’s really sad to see such things like this that start out as harmless and then evolves into one big fiasco. ThatAussieGuy, Jerrid, LordKat, The Distressed Watcher, Spoony are gone, and for some reason I have a bad feeling that more and more contributors will leave or get fired. Doesn’t make any sense. Sometimes it’s difficult to tell if Spoony is joking or not, but it’s not wise for him to act that way, whether he’s actually joking or not, because people take it the wrong way when he acts like that. Then again he’s been through a lot of shit and it wouldn’t surprise that he really is angry. He’s always had problems with depression and he’s probably taking out his frustration on others, even those who care and want to help. Who honestly knows what his problems are but it’d be to his benefit to explain them in a vlog, if not than in some sort of article.
Troy Bennet made a really good post about this very issue. Reorganize Disqus so it lists the posts by vote, and it will be the first one you find. It really is worth a read.
I have and it’s pretty true and informative. :) However it’s so ironic that Spoony made the joke to JesuOtaku and yet anybody BUT her gets upset over it, like Lupa and Pehlous. Sure it’s not a joke in good taste, but what is on Channel Awesome? People make offensive jokes all the time anyway. Do you know why Lord Kat is angry at Spoony anyway? I didn’t think Spoony said to him but his fans act as if there’s a feud going on with them even though Spoony says he couldn’t care less what he says. Phelous while somewhat correct, I don’t really think he should be angry at him anyway? I don’t if Spoony said anything to him or not But you got him, Lord Kat going against Spoony, and then Linkara tries to say that we should blame this on just Spoony and so forth. I hate this. It feels as if Channel Awesome is being divided over meaningless arguments and unimportant events in the past. I have a feeling it’ll get worse but I hope not.
This whole firing Spoony thing on TGWTG is exactly how Aflac reacted to Gilbert Gottfried’s tweets joking about the Tsunami in Japan. It was overblown, overreacted, and we should just move on.
Why is everyone talking about the CA thing? It happened, shut up. I’m sure Noah would rather leave it in the past, so everyone stop bringing it up. It has nothing to do with this or any video. Unless Noah himself brings it up, there is no reason to talk about it.
Noah and TGWTG are being the same than they’ve been for years now. I don’t see what the fuzz is.
After seeing this whole controversy, all I can say is: good luck with whatever you decide to do from here.
It seems Noah has cooled down. Noah Antwiler @TheSpoonyOne
I mean, editing. Writing. Review shit.
Allright folks do the same. He is going to be Spoony the Review Guy again, and all the E-Drama can rot in hell.
Unfortunately all that undoable damage had to come before it.
As glad as I am to see things returning to normal, which I really am. Are you really one to diss the E-drama since you really din’t help things. Also, who’s to say that Spoony ever stopped being the Review Guy. I never saw a period where every single video was Pathfinder. Spoony has always been “the Review Guy”. He just puts extra stuff out as filler in between reviews.
Bam Spoony is working again. And now he should so something epic and unexpected, a Lets Play of Phantasmagoria 1 or Deadly Premonition.
Then everybody would be like “allright he came out of this mess for the better”.
Even better, then it would be clear he needed that outburst to free himself of all those leeches and false friends.
Seriously Obscurus Lupa biggest Bitch ever.
Spoony is pretty much internet Charlie Sheen, end of freaking story.
Alright chap, we get the message. You’ve been stuck on repeat for a fair few comments now.
I apologize for that sorry.
Serioulsy? Were gonna blame Lupa for ALL of this? MikeBester, antiquarius, really guys?
Yeah, Lupa’s confrontation was nosy and rude, but it’s was just the straw that broke the camels back. I’m just saying that most people wouldn’t respond to that kind of confrontation by throwing a tantrum on Twitter.
This is no one person’s fault, but I think we can agree this is MOSTLY Spoony’s issue.
Lupa is a bitch because she admitted in a Twitter Post that she dug up Spoony Post to get rid of him, and now is deleting all those Tweets and lying about it.
Hopefully you have a source? Not the OP, obviously, but something else?
-EDIT- I know she dug up the post, but where is the admission she wanted to get rid of Spoony?
Lupa definitely isn’t the type to cause a stink, she’s a sarcasm queen. But phelous probably got wind of it and made this a real issue since his woman went on a huge rant that made her write an entire anti rape post
She may have dug it up, but it was as an example of how irritated she was becoming with Spoony. What does Lupa gain out of this? She has a review style different from Spoony, so it can’t be taking his fanbase on TGWTG (which, btw, noticed a few posting low blows on her latest review. Classy). And seriously, why would she tweet any intentions of getting anyone fired with full knowledge that the HR of CA was going to see those posts?
Thing is, we were already taking about the rape joke before Lupa made her tweet. She probably just found it on some comments page, and that was enough to get here searching.
Either way, I’m still not buying that she was out to get Spoony
Well, she’s a woman and obviously the most evil thing to exist in this universe and thus perfect for the fanboys to set their rage upon with no logic.
We just want to forget about the whole thing. It was a disagreement on Twitter. Who cares.
Oh come on, what other motivation could she have had to dig it up? It wasn’t even a rape joke really, just an S&M joke, did it cross the line? No, you can think it wasn’t funny, and it wasn’t especially but Spoony apologised to JO and she accepted, so case closed right? Apparently not….
I just don’t think Lupa brought it up because she’s jealous or trying to climb up the corporate ladder, or anything like that. Lupa was probably already fed up with Spoony’s behavior (like a lot of us here), and used this joke as an excuse to confront him.
Hell, Lupa probably only discovered the rape joke in the first place because people like us on TGWTG kept talking about it. That’s how YOU learned about it, right, through TGWTG or TSE? I don’t even think she was that offended, she just used it as ammo to back herself up with.
Now, if someone was confronting YOUR bad behavior, even with a flimsy excuse like this, you would still concede that you crossed a few lines, and should calm down. Unfortunately, Spoony did not calm down. Because he is a selfish, inconsiderate egomaniac. And that did more damage than anything else.
Alinea 1: So what you’re saying is yes, this was a personal vendetta
Alinea 2: What does it matter how I learned about it?
Alinea 3: Oh hell no, if someone confronts me on behaviour they find ‘inappropriate’ and if I believe I’m not in the wrong, I’d go to war on that fool, you shouldn’t have to censor yourself because other people may dislike you for it, as Spoony said, you don’t have to follow him on twitter. It’s the reason he’s entertaining and if CA can’t see that, well then I fear they’re veering off course, entertainment should be priority #1, not ‘are we PC enough?’
Now, did he handle it badly by ranting on twitter? Yeah he did, but it’s a perfectly natural reaction when getting flung shit at you for something you’ve apologised for and was over and done with. Spoony left cause he didn’t want to censor himself, and for that I applaud him.
Response 1: Yeah it was a personal vendetta, but it was motivated by the same thing a lot of us are feeling; disgust at Spoony’s self destructive behavior and attitude. I don’t have as much of a problem with that. Everything we do as humans is motivated by SOMETHING, after all.
Response 2: I mention how she found it, because I don’t think Lupa actively looked for hours for something to use against Spoony. She probably just stumbled on it in some comments page. Compare this to Spoony deliberately going through two months of Lupa’s tweets to find the “Beat Mittens with Hose” joke.
Response 3: There was nothing normal or excusable about his behavior. He lashed out at people who weren’t involved (his fans) out of personal rage. Lupa was right to confront Noah’s behavior, but the rape joke was a really bad place to start. So she does deserve SOME blame for this.
I guess you can use the “His behavior is excused because he wasn’t being PC” as an excuse to be rude to your fans and co-workers now.
Apparently no one is allowed to be offended or angered by anything anymore, because “we had the option to not read it”.
cool, no one is forcing you to read Spoonys twitter. if you’re in this for entertainment, then fucking stick to his entertainment, and stop worrying about his behavior. some of my favorite artists are fucktards but you don’t see me saying “they need to be disciplined, what terrible behavior! I for one refuse to be a fan if he continues to be an ass!” – NO, I fucking ignore them or block them on my twitter like a Sane person would do. Jesus you people are so fucking ridiculous, glutton for punishments. I understand the curiosity in diving into another persons life but when you’re criticizing a man you don’t even personally Know over an issue that does Not concern you than I can see why he would tell people to gracefully, fuck off. just my two cents, have a nice day! ^_^
Your right, one forced me to read his Twitter. But no one forced Noah (or Lupa, for that matter) to publicly post their argument. If they wanted to keep sensitive material to themselves, they should have set Twitter to private instead of broadcasting it on public channels.
The fact is that Lupa’s accusation, and Noah’s resulting meltdown, were all done PUBLICLY. How can you expect other people to respect your privacy if you give no inkling that you want privacy in the first place?
Let’s just agree to disagree my man, I guess my views on free speech are just a bit more libertarian than yours. Seem to me like we’re both big Spoony fans, so let’s just focus on that, deal? ;-)
I’m not here to attack you, you were actually really civil during the conversation.
To me, this is less about freedom of speech and more about who TGWTG want’s representing them. If you wanted someone to represent your company, they should be somewhat well behaved, y’know. Spoony CAN say whatever he wants, but TGWTG can also decide they don’t think it’s appropriate.
Whatever, I’ll just drop it. I’ve said everything I wanted to anyway. Thanks for responding.
PS: you’re right about a company having the right to choose who represents them, so yeah, you pretty much got me :D
He was rude on Twitter. he didn’t hurt anyone. “Self Destructive”? As far as anyone knows, he isn’t ODing on recreational drugs, drinking himself into a stupor or cutting himself. He said lots of rude things to many people and they all labeled him “self destructive” and and “asshat”. Sounds like High School shit, and it should be forgotten. Enjoy the next Spoony video. He is more entertaining than most of the producers trolling him.
He’s more entertaining than all of the producers trolling him :p
“Spoony left cause he didn’t want to censor himself, and for that I applaud him.”
I would be VERY careful about throwing words like “censor” around, especially since both TGWTG and TSE are review sites, and exercise the free speech of the reviewers.
It’s more like “policing”. People are free to say what they want, but if you have somebody who’s going to attack both the user base and coworkers, there’s going to be repercussions.
It’s all down to whether you think Twitter (and other social networking sites) is either a Public or Private medium. You’re free to have an argument with your partner in your home, but if you do it out in the street (or work place) people will get concerned and intervene.
still, thats a bitch move. Lupa using something one month old to confront Spoony. Oh, and Ginger Queen herself also showing up on Lupa’s Twitter feed. I smell a witch coven!
what universe do you live in where inappropriate unwanted sexual attention isn’t crossing the line? if you want to be ticky tacky about the obvious rape undertones, that’s on you, but I don’t even know why people are harping on the one joke like it was the only reason he was let go when it’s really about Spoony’s overall behaviour this past month or so.
What a smashing blouse you are wearing, would you like to come back to my place? I have all the latest catalogues that open up at the mens budgie smugglers section.
I guess thats unwanted sexual attention and is obvious rape undertones?
Thats as joke btw incase people think its an insult
You Americans have such a hangup with sexuality, if someone gives me unwanted sexual attention, I ignore it, problem. solved.
stop lumping Americans into a singular, generalized category like a pretentious prick. I hate it when people do that, “Oh you Americans are this or that” – with all due respect, fuck that. We live in a diverse world with dynamic personalities where culture does Not mold every god damn person who lives on a particular landscape, so get your head out of your ass. Thanks! :)
ok true, I shouldn’t have generalized like that, but I do believe the average European is generally more open about sexuality than the average American, I’m sorry if I offended you.
Yeah, Spoony’s an asshole. I’m sure everyone is aware of this now. Back to the main topic: Persona 4. Both look to be promising, though I can’t fathom why Atlus would take the Capcom position and release the same game with new content. Yeah, I can understand the ‘fans of Persona will pay for anything’ approach but that’s kind of a scumbag move. I’m not talking about the Arena, which just looks like any other fighting game but with the Persona characters (it’ll be nice beating women with Akihiko XD), but rather about Golden. Nevertheless, I loved P4. Great story, great voice acting, great playability, great everything (except the continuity plotholes linking P3 and P4).
Leaving TGWTG is the best thing Spoony has done in a long time.
Maybe now their autism won’t flow over into his videos any more.
I hate how Autism is a buzz-word for an insult now.
Especially here: I have no idea how you think any of the TGWTG guys are autistics.
You know, I don’t use twitter so I didn’t hear about anything that happened until I saw the news on TGWTG. But I could really care less. I don’t care if spoony made some innapropriate joke about one of his colleages. I don’t care if he got into some twitter war with Lupa or whoever else. I don’t care if his snarky persona in his videos is his actual demeanor and that per other reviewers from TGWTG that he’s actually an asshole in real life. And to be honest, I don’t care about his personal problems.
What I DO care about is this website and fresh and new content. For that I support Spoony and wish him the best, because when it comes down to it, I come to this site for entertainment. So whether it be Vlogs about movies coming out, Ultima and other game reviews, obscure movie reviews, Let’s Plays or whatever else he wants to do, I come here for content and thats all I care about.
Pretty much this. I don’t really give a shit what’s going on. I’m here to be entertained. If a convicted criminal was a critic with a site where he posted his videos I’d watch em if they were entertaining. Okay maybe that’s a bit much, but you get my point. I don’t have to like a person to like their work. Just wish he’d get back in gear and get some stuff rolling.
Yeah, I would not support a child molester or an unrepentant murderer….Wait a minute! All Spoony did was insult someone on the internet and behaved a bit immaturely when his girlfriend dumped him! Who gives a shit! Spoony is 20x mosttalented than most of the producers on TGWTG!
Talent gives you the right to be a douche-nozzle?
I think if I started screaming in public over a bad grade in Network Theory, insulting the professor and such, I would probably be reported for some kind of bad behavior, and either suspended or expelled.Hate to say it, but you DO have to have some sense of manners to associate with other people.
But that’s okay. There’s nothing wrong with Spoony, because worse people already exist. Like the aforementioned child molesters and murderers in your comment.
No, really. This Spoony/Lupa/TGWTG business is theirs and theirs alone. Drop it and let’s talk about Persona 4.
Including their choice of taglines. “The Carnivore Who’s Discarded Womanhood?”
Wouldn’t that be a better tagline for Naoto instead of Chie? Yeah, Chie is a tomboy, but Naoto was literally ashamed of her femininity.
Not exactly…it’s vague as to whether Naoto is as much of a meat-eater as Chie is. Still, she did discard womanhood….then again, both can pick it right back up when the main character makes the correct moves.
ok, coming into this now, I am completely lost. Can someone give me a summary of this entire thing from it’s beginning to where it is now? Thanks.
It tears Spoony to shreds, but it’s all there.
You poor bastard. You know this is suicide, right?
I can’t watch. *looks away*.
[touches body] still alive.
Just so I’m clear on motives: fan of reviews, not fan of recent behaviour
wow, i never knew this site existed. It’s pretty fucking funny. Thanks
Simple. Spoony just released a video here. Let’s discuss that.
Wow. This was shocking. Im actually really depressed about this. Only watching his videos, I never realized how childish and hateful he can be. I mean I know he has his personal demons, everyone does, but this is just crossing the line. I had no idea that Spoony is not actually a character, but a representation of Noah himself. I really think this guy is good at heart, but the way he has lashed out so immaturely at his fellow coworkers and fans with an endless stream of hate-filled insults and self-pity. As fans,we really want to like him, but I fear this incident will leave scars that run too deep. It will be nearly impossible for me to watch one of his videos the same way again. It’s a damn shame too, as he is one of the most funny and clever people on the internet. instead of being grateful of people’s appreciation of his gift, it seems he uses his fans as a tool to satisfy his ego. I really hope he can rise from the ashes after this incident and perhaps realize the error of his ways, winning us back in the process. Until then, he has lost the loyalty of one of his most loving fans, and certainly many others who have enjoyed his videos
I’m not going to assume anything until I get the full story from both people.
Yo Spoony. Your probably going to delete this without ever reading this and ban my account. Despite that I just wanna tell you something.
A little background first…..I was born with cerebral palsy and had to deal with being looked down upon my whole life. I lost hearing in my left ear at age 9. When I was 15 I begun to lose sight in my right eye. When I was 18 I met and fell in love with a girl who I ended up spending two years of my life with.
She cheated on me with a trucker and left. My mother then ordered a Bowflex and did so under my name without telling me, she never made any payments on it and I am now over 3k in debt and my credit is in shambles. All of my siblings have stabbed me in the back so that my mother’s abusive husband would mess with me rather then them.
Despite all that horseshit. Despite life shitting on me constantly since I was born. I have NEVER bitched and whine the way you have. I have depression as well as you might suspect…and I deal with my grief and misery privately without lashing out at the few friends I have.
You have NO fucking excuse. Act your age and attempt to be a man!
I hate to be cold, dude. I really do. But Spoony, ultimately, doesn’t care. This matter is dead. As in, “We’ve kicked the dead horse to a point where there isn’t anything to kick” dead. There is no other reason to harp on him unless he says something in the video here you ultimately agree with.
Because, really, what does this video have to do with what Spoony and the staff of TGWTG went through? Nothing. Is it your business? Not at all.
Fair enough. I just hate seeing grown men act like 12 year old girls. It bothers me. and if someone is goin put there bitching on the internet then it becomes a public thing. So It does become my business…and fuck you.
Or you’re making it become your business because apparently TSE supplies the white blood cell count in your bloodstream.
And several people have told him to ‘grow up’ and ‘stop acting like 12 year old girls’ when really, he neither has to listen to him nor do you need to watch his videos or follow his daily life and comment on it, be it his eating habits, depression issues or his fucking bowel movements.
Again, though, the matter is dead. Dead. Dead. Dead. Dead. Dead. Dead. Dead. Dead. Dead. The fact that ravaging fanboys and girls, be they for or against Spoony, keep trying to resurrect the issue is fucking pathetic.
If he doesn’t care enough, TSE is done.
It’s that simple.
Tragic. Things end. We’ll survive.
I think Spoony should go back and CA should call it off. Nothing is set in stone so it’s not like if he leaves, he can never return there. This was a stupid misunderstanding that got blown out of proportion and it’s kinda sad it had to end like that. Lupa, I think was nosy even if she had good intentions to stick up for JesuOtaku, although, I don’t think it was mature for Spoony to lash out at her either. It’s really ironic that everyone else except JesuOtaku gets upset. CA I think was too hasty to suspend Spoony let alone for 4 friggin weeks. Spoony has had problems and sometimes he can be unreasonably harsh towards others, but sometimes he is joking around and fans can’t tell the difference. Spoony should be more polite when out of character. Because even if he is joking around, it makes him sound like a douche. Nevertheless it wasn’t even just Spoony’s fault here. CA, Spoony, Lupa, Pehlous, Linkara and others should really talk this over instead of just letting it end like this.
I’m looking forward to P4 Arena. I don’t think it’s going to surpass the ridiculously well-made Skullgirls, but videos and gameplay impressions leave me positive it will at least be loads of fun. Wish it was using GGPO netcode, though.
Guess this is the place to post since there isn’t an official video/blog post about it.
Honestly, I don’t really care about the real life drama. Do I think Noah could have handled it better? Yes, but that doesn’t mean I don’t like his videos. I’m still going to watch some of the stuff from TGWTG and I’m still going to check out this site for new content.
I don’t really care about the person when it comes to my entertainment. Alan Moore loves to claim Vertigo’s writers were all trying to imitate him, but I still enjoy his work. Michael Bay is apparently a lot of fun to work with but I still think his movies are shit. Just separate the art from the artist and you can still enjoy it. Something Positive did a strip on this and explained it much better than I could, but I think the point is still valid.
I don’t get it. Why are you guys hating on the guy for not wanting to
deal with people who annoy him? He made a joke on HIS twitter, he has no
obligation to ANYONE to keep those jokes accessible for everyone.
He was always dismissive of people who were giving him shit, and it is
his right as an artist (or content provider, whatever) and a human
being. You do not own him, he doesn’t owe you anything, he has NO OBLIGATION to his audience.
This pussification of content creators must end. Unless you’re taking money from people, you don’t have to call any man ‘mister’, and you should not be expected to adhere to any imposed standards that LK likes so much. His site, his rules. I respect this too much to complain about not being treated like a child. He never took anything from me, he doesn’t owe me, or you, anything.
when things starting getting PC, that’s when things start to suck…except for those who own minivans
I’m sorry, but now that I’ve had 3 days to mull over it, Spoony’s been a complete disaster and I haven’t been paying enough attention to him and how he acts to realize it. I post this here to implore everyone else to do serious, objective observations of him, and how he’s acting. I realized that right now he is far beyond burning the bridge, he’s holding the torch in the air and watching the flames with a bizarre smile as it crashes, crumbles and leaves him stranded. This isn’t a good thing, don’t even begin to delude yourselves such.
Lols all round. Utter manchildren the lot of them.
I’ve been coming here for the best part of 3, maybe 4 years and being well-entertained on a semi-regular basis for precisely zero – yes, that’s right – zero of my English pence. 0p. £0.00. Not saying people don’t have a right to whine that there aren’t more regular updates because it’s free – the whining actually shows how much people like Spoony’s stuff – but the last thing the guy needs at the moment is pressure. Lay off. Let him be. You’re not watching HBO/Sky Sports here, people. You’re watching one guy with very human problems posting largely entertaining videos for free. Any money he “makes on the side” from ad revenue etc are irrelevant. Besides, like someone else said; he took a break before and came back really strong. What you don’t want to happen is for him to stop enjoying doing the reviews – be that as a cause of depression or not. Not even going to get involved in all the “he’s becoming his character!” nonsense. Personally, I think his decision to quit TGWTG is the right one, and I say that as a fan of TGWTG. Less pressure, more freedom to resolve whatever personal problems and artistic differences may need resolving. Again, it doesn’t mean he’s gone for good. Just means “I’ll come back when I feel up to it.” Best of luck to you, Spoony.
here’s my two cents.
I don’t give an asshole about all this.
He can do all the rape jokes he wants as far as i’m concerned.
And i always watched his stuff on this site, not in TGWG.
So for me, this all issue has only been an e-drama to entertain myself.
this is the fucking internet, who gives an ass about what some guy jokes about on twitter? And what’s about this bullshit drama? The site is still up, the videos are still up, so who da fuck cares?
for us that aren’t butthurt over this situation, this is entertainment gold
He loses his girlfriend…gets a depression…gets physically ill…loses his friends and co-workers…loses his job…Damn, talk about a downward spiral. Spoony needs to do something about himself.
What are you talking about? He will still get enough money from ad revenue, and Angryjoe (one of his friends) has already stated he will still work together with him, even if he is no longer a TGWTG member. Brad Jones and Linkara are also on his side.
There is actually only one real looser, and thats LordKat, who made a total asshole out of himself, lost a ton of viewers, and got over a 1000 complaint messages to his Twitch.tv account, resulting in it might be shut down.
Actually LordKat issued an apology to his fans for his conduct. Which is more than Spoony will ever do cause he hates us.
Well saying you should kill yourself is a bit more grave than a rape joke. And he didnt even apologize for the suicide thing, he just apologized for dragging his revenue down…Uhm I mean dragging his fans in.
Pfft, yeah he’s flawed, who isn’t? But at least his big enough to apologize and actually gives a crap about his fans. As opposed to Spoony who will forever shove shit down your throat and expect you to like it.
Okay, this whole thing over a tweet from a -month- or two ago? Especially after how rape jokes have been prevalent on TGWTG.com for the last couple years, or do people forget spooning with spoony, linking with linkara, or Onanism with Oancitizen.
Or the joint review Doug and Lindsey did where it was implied he was chloroforming her.
Having worked corporate jobs before, it distinctly smells like someone was -looking- for a reason to get rid of spoony and this was just the icing on the character assassination cake.
Lets not forget dougs Abortion joke with lindsey……that just left a bad taste in my mouth. Spoony’s comment was obviously a joke, a morbid joke but not nearly as morbid as some of the shit TGWTG has popped out.
Wait when was that. I’ve forgotton about that.
Well, the Nostalgia chick had an abortion some time ago (her reasons are her reasons while im pro life im not going to judge) which was apparently a dramatic point in her life which i think resulted in a book or something. Then during his Christmas special he made a joke about her keeping it if he never became the nostalgia critic…..kind of a morbid joke. Though there was no shit storm because most didnt know lindsey had an abortion. the ones who did (like me) were left in an uncomfortable state.
She made a documentary, but from the preview (Haven’t seen it since I don’t think it’s available online) it seems to be more about how both sides tend to see the whole thing in black and white when it’s a very grey issue.
As for the Christmas special, well she actually acted and directed the scene herself, since she was in New York and Doug was in Chicago. One thing the folks at TGWTG make clear is that they are never forced to do something if they object to it.
Oh, and as for Spooning With Spoony? The women were totally on board with the idea and were laughing their asses off in the bloopers. Jesu was never asked if she could have a rape joke made at her expense. That’s what has everyone up in arms.
They are all hypocrites
Please, Noah, take a break. Do vlogs or Counter Monkey whatever if you need to keep posting new videos. But I’m serious, you need a vacation. And believe me, I’ve been there. And I was really stubborn about refusing to take a break from school because that’s how your mind screws up with you when you’re depressed. Eventually I did agree to take the time off and I can’t stress enough what a good choice it was.
And don’t come back too soon either. I did that too and it ended in a new breakdown and being sent into a mental hospital because I was kinda going nuts at that point. So wait until you’re definitely healthy enough to work again. Anybody who complains can shut the fuck up and find their free entertainment somewhere else.
I would love some movie vlogs. Iron Sky, Rock of Ages, new Batman, new Twilight…
I don’t know. At this point, sending Spoony to see a new Twilight much might finally send him over the edge forever. I do think that Spoony could do with going out and seeing a good movie though.
Omg! You have no idea how much I’d love to see Spoony do a vlog about Iron Sky! :D
Isn`t the solo source of Spoony`s income based on the internet? If that was my situation, I`d do my best to not be a complete dick all the time to people at and around my workplace. People can say that he`s all stressed out and that all his fans want are more videos and review from him which isn`t fair. Well, perhaps if he made some content on a regular basis there wouldn`t be such a problem. You can`t go into a normal job and be all bitchy and rarely produce anything. You`d be fired for sure. He always says he`s working on reviews and such, but there needs to be actuall results. Learn to manage your time and quite complaining so much on freakin Twitter. As a lot of people have said; you need to step away from the internet for a bit and figure out what your really doing here.
He lost his girlfriend…got a depression…got physically ill…lost his friends and co-workers…lost his job…Damn, talk about a downward spiral.
Wow you are retarted. You posted the same thing 3 hours ago, got proven wrong, and now you try again? People can still see your old post when they slightly scroll down.
So you are not only a troll, but a dumb one :D
That coming from the person that only post comments in order to get people angry, That is rich.
Oh Merost. Your such a fucking delight. No matter the situation, you ALWAYS seem to find some kind of excuse to insult others.
For the love of God, could you please just knock it off? There are ways to express yourself that don’t involve calling someone a virgin looser.
Not forgiving Spoony (his constant whining about his ex is beyond pathetic and his Gestapo like forum moderators are even more so, if possible), but anyone know about this whole Surburban Knights/Lupa/girl getting taped up against a wall and fainting/hating the Whistleblower fiasco?
Apparently last year during the filming of Suburban Knights, Elisa (Elisha? Eliza? You know, Maven of the Eventides) was duct taped against a wall for 20 minutes or more and felt lightheaded (or even fainted?) and had to be helped by paramedics? Again, it’s not clear what exactly happened because TGWTG have kept everything very hush hush, you know, like a Syrian dictator or a Spoony forum moderator would. Anyhoo, Miss Lupa’s BF at the time whistleblew about the incident which made the Vague S&M Joke Avenger Miss Lupa very, very angry at her beau.
So let me get this straight: when someone who is known for outrageous, at times “offensive” humor, someone whose shtick is being an asshole, makes a S&M vague rape joke to a co-worker at TGWTG, Lupa get’s her panties bunched. Now when a woman is ACTUALLY “chained” ie duct taped in an actual “basement” ie whomever’s house CA was using to film the scene, Lupa gets mad at the GUY WHO BRINGS THE ACTUAL ABUSE TO LIGHT. And this woman has the nerve to e-crusade blithering about “context”? Yeah, what about it, you hypocritical, humorless Yoko Oh-No??
What are you talking about, man? If your going to make an accusation like that, a link would be really appreciated. I really hope nothing like this actually happened to Maven.
This was taken from Encyclopedia Drammatica on the TGTWG page (I know, it’s an A-hole site but these events really did occur:
“On-Set Medical Situations: The Channel Awesome Kool-Aid
Asalieri (Eric Gaede),
Last Thursday, self proclaimed internet reviewer of internet reviewers Asalieri had leaked to him an audio recording of some low-tier TGWTG members expressing their shock and astonishment over the fact that during filming of Suburban Knights, one of the female actors nearly fainted on set.
He was asked to keep this information private, so naturally he immediately shared this tidbit with the class, first posting the audio to YouTube, only to take it down a few hours later. His understanding of the incident was that the girl fainted due to being tied upside-down on a cross. Eventually some TGWTG forumites started a thread asking for an official response. Rob Walker initially stated that there was no truth to any of the claims, then a little later remembered that oh yeah, there was that one incident where a girl nearly fainted on set after being tied up with duct tape.
In his telling of events, she was tied right-side up. He said that he personally administered medical treatment (making his bout of amnesia over the incident somewhat questionable), which consisted in giving her some Gatorade and gently reminding her that she’d already signed a form releasing Channel Awesome from any liability. First Rob Walker and the other mods deleted half the comments on the thread, including Asalieri’s (along with banning him and several others who’d commented), before later proceeding to Delete Fucking Everything due to “lack of focus on the real issues,” lock the thread, and call it a successful PR exercise. And of course, that sparked attention for ED’s favorite meta fatass.
Meanwhile, on the Dead Horse Interchange forums, amidst discussion and screencaps of the shitstorm on the TGWTG forums, Obscurus Lupa appeared out of nowhere to make a tl;dr post about how leaking the info to Asalieri amounted to “betrayal” on the part of the whistle-blower, thus confirming what had been clear to many for a long time: that Channel Awesome’s operates like a cult. She said that she’d be closing ranks with Channel Awesome in shunning the whistle-blower, who if anyone cares is some guy named Matt whom she used to date.”
There’s also this link http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13026074510A55521600&page=8 and more can be found by googling “elisa suburban knights duct taped” Also, in her most recent video review of Tremors 2, Lupa made a joke about gays. So I guess quasi-misogynistic jokes aren’t appropriate but homophobic ones are okey-dokey.
Dead Horse Interchange doesn’t have a lot of nice things to say about Asalieri. There’s a lot of stuff here suggesting he committed several different accounts of copyright infringement.
I can understand that happening on YouTube, but his Blip account was canceled for the same reason.
That aside, HOLY FUCKBALLS!!! A coworker passes out on set, and everyone tries to hide it? I can understand why they would want to, but she shouldn’t have passed out in the first place. How did this happen?!
It is pretty sketchy. I find it odd why they chose the hottest female on CA to tape up against a wall crucifix style with her fantastic breasts jutting out. OK, maybe not so odd then… They probably would’ve slapped that image on the DVD cover if it hadn’t gone all wrong. What I really don’t get is Lupa getting mad at her boyfriend for spilling the details to that Asalieri guy. Where was her feminist outrage then? There definitely seems to be a sort of cult mentality over at CA.
I get the feeling that Channel Awesome has a habit of hiding dirty laundry instead of just coming clean.
I’m still trying to figure out why Lupa wanted to keep THIS internal affair from leaking…but was later willing to publicly fight with Noah. Does she want internal affairs to be kept private or not?
I’m thinking that one of those two incidents was either a spur of the moment mistake…or that Lupa is a company watchdog who will do whatever the higher ups tell her to. I’m still debating which one of those two it is.
I’m not clearing suspicions of Channel Awesome’s behind the scenes business deals (believe me; Chicago has plenty worse crooked businesses than the kindergarten antics of the Walker brothers’ website), but citing Dead Horse Interchange and Encyclopedia Dramatica is about as credible as citing the late night psychic hotline.
Those two websites are about the last things on the list of “credible” you can find on the Internet. Not joking in the slightest here.
The hideous amount of bias that goes into each page is proof enough of that.
Dead Horse Int’s take on “Good Spoony” vs “Shitty Spoony” made me chuckle, but then sigh in despair when I realized they were trying to take themselves seriously. The entry on Spoony, Scarlett, fuck, nearly ANYONE resembles the ravings of some jilted ex-fanboy; railing madly against someone they used to worship.
I’ve found pages with wikia-style Quality-control tags for articles that weren’t up (or down, rather) to their standards for HATING on an individual enough. Bias isn’t just merely probable; IT’S A REQUIREMENT.
Whatever flecks of golden truth you may find on those pages is buried beneath a mountain of salt, mud and bile.
Spoony what the hell happened to you? :<
Ok. I’m just going to say right now. If Noah wants to open up about this and explain what’s going on, that’s one thing. But aside from that, what happened over the last couple days to get everything to this point is really none of my business, and quite frankly, it’s not any of yours either. And yes, I’m talking to alot of people here (not everyone; some people are legitimately talking about Persona here and that’s fine, but everyone that is talking about you-know-what).
So whatever happened, unless he wants to talk about it, I’m not going to pry, and I’m taking everything mentioned here in the comments section with a grain of salt, because I’ve heard a hundred different stories about what happened over several forums, and frankly, I think the issue really needs to be dropped for now, so he can get things back to normal.
That goes for anything mentioned on TGWTG also.
Lol LordKats page got attacked by hackers.
I has solution for all our problems:
1. Stop useing twitter, no good comes from twitter
2. Fucking forget it and lets just enjoy spoony bitch at ultima 9 and see how sexy his hair can get.
3. Lets all get some beer and hookers while we watch some good old spoony regardless of who ever he is associated with. Maby Insano will use his dongly thing again!
4. and most importantly- Spoony still fucking rocks! and this may be the start to a new beginning….like his own site with an association of reviewers and film makers!
Spoony One and the Silverware association! No holds bared laugh your ass off humor!
I think you should talk to the moderators. Your moderators have become the Gestapo who ban people for the most minor of offenses. I wasn’t even trying to offend anyone and I wasn’t even warned for my offense.
Really? Most users haven’t been having any problems at all with the moderators. What exactly did you say?
@EricHall dont listen to PeaTear, he is Spoonys biggst cocksucker and fanboy. Even other fans make fun of him. So of course HE has no problem with any moderators.
I didn’t say I don’t have a problem with the mods (even though I don’t). What I said was most who follow the rules have no problem with the mods.
I try not to go too off topic but was showing people a youtube poop of Spoony which surprisingly seemed symbolic and I said fans would probably find certain things about it relating to Spoony’s life. I thought it was a bizarre and entertaining video and people can discuss it however they want. I received a message although I didn’t read it all the way because I had to leave for work. Then later I saw I was banned and labeled a “troll” No warning, not even banned for a specific time. Banned forever. And it was just one thread. Apparently whatever I did was a crime of the highest order and I guess they thought I was being mean to Spoony. I don’t think I was but if I was, I apologize to whoever I offended.
That’s the problem. The mods have been stressing lately that nobody create topics about the current situation. They have been told to ban users who try to create topics about it.
And that’s why the irrelevant, usually distasteful topics end up trickling into the video comments section. Because it wouldn’t be safe to talk about it on the forums.
I say this for everyone who would rather talk about the Persona 4 video instead. There is no other place on the site where we can safely talk about this.
I can’t say that i disagree with you. I do wish that we could keep the irrelevant flame wars away from the site entirely. So any way about Atlus games. Gotta say that I am really interested in Persona 4 Arena. As for Persona 4 Golden, I don’t think this title is enough to make me really want to buy a Vita.
I hear you. I’ll probably wait a year or so to actually buy any sort of handheld. That way I can ride the back catalog on a budget and wait until newer stuff comes out.
It’s not like i even have time for videogames anymore, what with my summer engineering classes.
I decided into buying a Vita early on because The Golden was announced pretty much early into the Vita’s lifecycle.
It definitely isn’t a deal maker, especially considering it’s an enhanced remake, but I can’t think of a better title to buy the console with.
I’d vastly prefer to play Persona 4 all over again, even without the extra content, than to have Call of Duty or any other mainstream shit shoved down my throat as a launch title, anyday.
enhanced port, not remake.
Meant to write that, either way. Hence using the word “enhanced” to begin with.
Slipped my mind, I suppose.
I figured, but i just see the word remake thrown around too much in discussions about re-releases like this. it gets to me. must correct.
Isn’t this comment thread for you know…. the video about the new ATLUS releases instead of giving our opinions on a man’s personal life?
Just talked about it. Scroll down a little for my comment. Make sure your sort option is set to Newest.
This is the only place we can talk about him. Spoony and TGWTG are are the rampage everywhere else.
Anyone else remember the Distressed Watcher AKA the Amazing Atheist? he was also forced out of TGWTG due to its behind the scenes politics. I would advise everyone who would like a clearer picture of what Noah *PERHAPS* went through is to go to the Atheists channel on Youtube and watch his video on why he was kicked out.
All I know is, if anyone out there reading this dreams of joining that site one day, I would think long and hard about it. The Walker brothers and co and not as nice as they appear to be in their videos.
the distressed watcher situation is a tad bit different from spoony’s but i agree that the producers of the site (not really the walkers from what id imagine) sure are a shady bunch.
Well, Noah (Can I call
you by name?) I highly recommend you to take a break and relax (believe me that
helps a lot). We (you’re fans) care about you and wish you the best
On of the most horrendous English dubs of all time…
Noah, you’re a ridiculously talented humorist, and I’d be as disappointed as anyone if you chose to go on hiatus from reviewing. But if it comes at the price of your health, then fuck everything, and fuck anyone who says otherwise. If we want to call ourselves fans, we need to realize you’re an actual person with actual problems, not just a tool to crank out the funny. I’ve struggled with depression before and I know it’s not something you can “just get over” (but even though there’s no straight cure, the closest I’ve ever come is having a dog – definitely a good idea, man). I’m not going to try and give you advice about how to handle any personal shit. I’m just going to remind you that there are people who will support you even if you stop reviewing. We care about Noah, not Spoony, and any fucktwats who feel otherwise don’t deserve to call themselves true fans.
Well, PearTear, I hate to say I told you so…wait. No I don’t.
I told you so.
Ok. Wow. Where do I begin.
Let me say this.
I love Noah. I’ve never met him but I do.
Past couple years I have been coming to this site, if I had a shitty day at work, I’d watch Spoony and he’d cheer me right up. He’s a very talented person and his back log of work on this site and That Guy With The Glasses has been excellent and he made a lot of great friends there including other contributors and his fans.
However for the past 2 and a half years now we have watched him steadly decline. His out put of work has been poor. He appeared to never get over Scarlett. His health is poor, either due to a genuine condition or due to poor habbits. He started being an asshole to everyone, starting with Chris Larios and friends on Lordkats stream and then his fans and his detractors.
And now he has sexually harassed Jesuotaku and alienated his friends and co workers and gotten himself fired.
There does not appear to be any sign that he is improving. There is no evidence that he is genuinely sorry for what he has done. He is continuing to lash out at people on twitter, people who are either care about him or who are genuinely and rightfully disgusted by him.
Whether he was one before is inconsequential. Whatever the case, Spoony has become a true asshole. His ego is out of control. His work has fallen apart. And he appears to be losing his mind. Looking at the still shot of him at E3 one post down, he looks like a crazy homeless person that lives under a bridge.
Not to mention, he has always been very, needlessly negative, a sour grapes if you will. And over time he has become more and more negative and has become more and more of an asshole.
I will always cheerish the good times and the good work that he has done here and on That Guy With The Glasses. But his current out put is poor and he is becoming a jerk to everyone around him. I will longer support him as long as he acts likes this.
I have nothing but love for him but he needs to learn to take care of himself. He needs to sort his fucking life out. He needs to get his head straight, see a shrink, get some meds, what ever he needs to get healthy again. Primarily mentally healthy.
I hope he turns his life around and gets help. And I wish him the best in his future endeavors. And I hope the out put of this site stops sucking to but I’m not going to pray for miracles. He can make all the shitty videos he wants so long as he gets his life together. That’s what’s most important.
This is my last post. As long as Noah’s crazy there’s nothing for me here. George, Atmos, you guys kick ass. PearTear, you kick ass too. I don’t think you like me too much, but I like you. Take care brother. And I’m sorry I talked shit about your home life. Whatever troubles life has thrown you, I can’t imagine, so God bless. Whatever problems you have suffered, I hope you conquer them. Take care all.
All is forgiven man. Godspeed and good luck in the future.
Amen Edward. Amen.
He did not “sexually harass” JesuOtaku. He made one friggin joke, and I didn’t even think it was a rape joke. I thought it was more of an S&M joke since there ARE people that like to be tied up. JesuOtaku wasn’t even offended and she barely paid any attention to it. It was about a month ago. It was in poor taste, but it was a joke nonetheless, not harassment. Then Lupa brings it up. I don’t know why she was being nosy about it and started going off on Spoony as Spoony went off on her. Naturally Phelous takes offense to it, since Lupa is his girlfriend and dislikes what Spoony’s done. Then Lord Kat, for little reason just jumps in, because I guess he saw everyone jump on Spoony and now was a good time to get angry. I saw most of his anger and Lord Kat’s reason for leaving TGWTG was because he was trying to do an interview but the guy shot it down, because I guess he thought he was associated with TGWTG and this was when Spoony was yelling “betrayal” and being silly, and I guess the guy didn’t want to do interviews with someone who was associated with that. I’m not saying Spoony’s innocent. Most of the time he’s joking around and people take to seriously but sometimes he can be harsh. Lupa’s nosy, Phelous is defensive and Lord Kat is vengeful. Bottom line, this was never just ONE person’s fault. They and others contributed to it. The ultimate irony is that everyone BUT JesuOtaku gets angry.
CA should really talk to Spoony as I believe they were too hasty to suspend him.
While I don’t think this particular incident is 100% on Spoony, I think you’re not considering the larger picture. The “rape” joke wasn’t the central reason for the incident, it was just one of the last straws.
It was Notch.
The guy LordKat wanted to interview was Notch. The creator of MineCraft.
Given the amount of shit LordKat slung at Notch in his podcasts, it baffles me that he couldn’t figure out just who it was that cost him his interview.
As far as I can figure, LordKat has rage issues. But he usually apologizes for it later.
Which in his case does make it ok? You have a very funny double standard George
No, it doesn’t make it okay. That’s why I don’t follow him, because he genuinely pisses me off.
Really? That’s amazing…
He just talks smack about everyone behind their backs, doesn’t he?
@Eric Hall I notice that , in all your recent posts, that whilst you claim that CA were at fault (which they were) and that Spoony isn’t exactly innocent you still seem either blind or refusing to acknowledge that one of the biggest contributing factors was Spoony’s massive ego. Any small amount of research will tell you that he has next to no respect for his fans or his co-workers. Honestly I truly feel sorry for you if you think this will just blow over and in a few weeks CA will be hot on the phone begging for him to return and everything will return to how it was. Whether you want to believe it or not is irrelevant, whether you want to completely dismiss his growing army of critics is irrelevant; because it is blatantly clear to everyone else that he has done lasting and irreparable damage to his image and not only will he lose fans (which means money) but CA as an organization will never welcome him back.
If you said something like that in a different professional situation you’d not only get fired you’d probably get sued and if you were very lucky the spouse/boyfriend/so of the person you said it to wouldn’t come and beat seven bells out of you.
Saying things like that to a woman even in jest isn’t cool funny or witty it’s sexual harassment, in fact it’s a rather creepy form of harassment not to mention that it comes off as quite perverted and deranged.
I have spent the last few nights closely examining the whole episode and can honestly say that I while I felt bad for spoony at first after reading his tweets that read more like the shrieking of an angry ten year old screaming at mom for not buying him the toy he wanted I’ve lost almost all sympathy for him.
Threatening and insulting people for stating their opinions then turning his guns on people who were only trying to get him to calm down think and stop freaking out was beyond childish.
Even if he is under some mental duress there is still no excuse for his actions and until he owns up for everything does a genuine mea culpa and gets his life together I just can’t say that I genuinely believe he’s trying to change and learn from this rather pathetic episode.
As another fan who’s been watching Noah since almost the beginning, you’ve pretty much perfectly echoed my own feelings. He’s been slowly turning into a very unpleasant person over the past few years, and honestly it’s put a stain on my enjoyment of his videos. Like you said, I’ve only met him once (and he was a jerk to me), but I care about him as a person, because I identified with the person he used to be and his videos always brought a smile to my face. But now, now it’s just sad to watch him almost gleefully destroy himself and everything he’s built. I hope you can conquer your demons, Noah, I hope the help you need comes to you, and you will be willing to accept it. I will be praying for you.
Huh. I’m doing a good job lurking if someone remembers my screen name.
Well, Godspeed man.
Persona 4 is honestly one of the best ps2 games I own and I’m glad I played it. Payed 30 bucks for hundreds of hours worth of playtime. Now that’s some value. I lost a summer to this game. lol
Quick relay from the Spoony twitter feed for those interested: “I’m writing the next part of Ultima IX right now. The video should be done next week.”
I recently bought Persona 3 FES off of PSN and so far I’m enjoying it.
I havnt visited any of the twitters with or about the spoons, I admit Im too damn dumb on a computer to find them, that being said…….Im not sure whats gong on, from reading these posts, I take it that noah is having some problems, what a waste of talent, he was so funny and he really was the one to help pull me outta my depression when he made the FF8 videos, It was pure fun. I hope you get better noah and wish you the best. But Man dont turn your back on your fans, they made you what you are, Were…………. come back to us spoony……………..tambi
Wow, man what the hell happened this time? I haven’t checked out any of the TGWTG stuff in a while. For some reason I go click on Lordkats page (which I hardly ever do) and there was this long aplogy letter talking about Spoony. Then I come on this website and see all these post about Noah screwing up. Holy crap man! Why is everything involving Spoony or TGWTG so flooded with drama? Aren’t these guys just amateur reviewers doing this stuff for fun?
I think this is why nobody should send those types of messages that Spoony and Lupa have been doing publicly. Because the fans will know and then drama starts. It should be private. It’s really sad when reviewers and co workers become divided, because when the reviewers are divided, the fans become divided. Then fanbases hurl insults at other fan bases and it becomes a mess. Spoony probably shouldn’t have made the joke even if it was a joke, but Lupa shouldn’t have brought it up a month after to rub his face in it. JesuOtaku wasn’t even offended by it but for some reason Lupa gets involved? However I could understand Spoony would be angry at that, but he should not have let his emotions get to him by hurling insults at her as well as his own fanbase. Phelous shouldn’t be so defensive of Lupa. I understand it’s his girlfriend but that doesn’t mean he has to side with her all the time. And LordKat should have stayed away from this whole thing and not make a video, belittling Spoony, Angry Joe and even Distressed Watcher. He even went so far as to tell Noah to go kill himself which was fucking dark and disturbing. And he said Spoony has mental issues? Ok Spoony has problems that need fixing but so does Lord Kat. The hypocrisy is that Lord Kat claims Spoony was harsh to his fans and to some degree he was being harsh, but Lord Kat was being vicious for no real reason. He was just as vicious if not, more vicious than Spoony was. This division was over nothing. Friendships being destroyed all because of this? You reviewers are NOT children and should know better than this. All of them played a part in this, not JUST Spoony.
I am hoping they mature and remember to learn how to work together, and to entertain the fans once again. It’s in the past, but the reviewers can learn from the past, For now, we probably should put this topic aside and focus on the video.
What I wanted to say is that it would not be a big deal for Spoony to have split from TGWTG but, 2 years ago he alienated his original fanbase that followed him over from youtube to this website. Because of what took place than a lot of people wanted nothing more to do with him. Most of his fan base now are newly aquired people that learned about him from TGWTG but in the same light his work has dropped quite a bit since he started up with TGWTG so where does that leave him now? He doesn’t have his real ride or die followers to stand behind them because he ran them off years ago and from reading the post TGWTG people aren’t too happy with him at this point. So what is next for Noah? Is he going to go back to putting more effort and time into The SPoony Experiment? I can only say I never was a fan of the TGWTG and I felt like they only watered SPoony down. I hope from this lesson he starts taking his own website seriously now and makes a comeback.
Sigh, I didn’t know what was happening, so when I found out today and saw the posts you guys have up the only feeling I have about everything is disappointed. Hopefully everything works out for what is best for everyone.
LordKat talks about Spoony=
Wow! The hate on Spoony is almost overwhelming…
I just spent about 2 hours catching up on this, (well listening to stuff as I worked) and really I try to take a neutral side to everything. What these people are saying about Spoony is mostly true. I wouldn’t call it hate but them just finally letting out what they’ve been wanting to say. Lordkat is upset because Spoony doesn’t take responsibility for what he does EVER. anyone that’s followed him for years knows that. They should also know that at one time he treated his reviewers with respect and was appreciative that folks clicked on his videos he made. Now it’s the exact opposite. he sh*ts on his followers and barely has the courtesy to say thanks or give us updates atleast. Instead he just does the bare minumum and folks praise him for it. I never understood that at all.
I don’t know spoony and never have met him but a lot of stuff he said about his work ethics we all have seen and witnessed first hand. His lashing out we’ve all seen and witnessed first hand. Lordkat is just unsealing his lips and telling it like it is. Mostly all he was saying is that Spoony really needs to re-evaluate himself. Lordkat obviously has worked with spoony closely and has a lot more time dealing with him face to face. He has developed his own opinion of him from his experiences and people should respect that.
What I don’t get about all of this is that SPoony just doesn’t seem like he’s interested in doing reviews or running a website period. Amateur video makers on youtube do more. So just why does he do this? Who knows. Mostly all he’s active on is twitter. If you think you can put out one video a month and live off that good luck. but even this website gets updated not hardly enough. Not to say I’m dying to see his next video It’s because it’s rarely updated that I often forget to come here or just decided to not bother with it and wait a month or two like I did this time.
I’m just suprised and well not kind of suprised to see that his EGO cost him his job.
Spoony doesn’t deserve that much hate. For one thing, most of the time Spoony is joking around and thin skinned people take too seriously. He has a different type of sense of humor. Comedians act worse than Spoony and constantly belittle their fans why should Spoony be the exception? Also Lord Kat didn’t work with him NEARLY as much as Linkara did, as Linkara still enjoys Spoony’s company. Lord Kat can be pretty mean to his fans too, as he recently shown. Why is it justified for Lord Kat to tell Spoony to kill himself? I don’t care if Spoony is an asshole in real life or not, it isn’t right tell someone to kill themselves. That whole E3 incident happened a while ago, so why didn’t Lord Kat talk about it after he left TGWTG? Because he saw Spoony and Lupa arguing and he decided to jump in while he could. Why else would he wait until after Spoony got suspended from TGWTG. Lord Kat doesn’t just go after Spoony, but Angry Joe and Distressed Watcher. Why? He went out control and started spouting out hatred towards everyone too including his fans. His ego alone didn’t cost his job anyway, and it wasn’t entirely his fault. Maybe Spoony was an asshole towards Lord Kat, but from what I heard from Lord Kat. I’m hearing someone who has insecurities and sounds outright jealous, since he tells Spoony is lame and doesn’t have what it takes to be popular. Maybe he didn’t notice that Spoony was a major contributor to the site and won an award as being one of the funniest people in the internet. I mean Spoony’s been harsh too. He’s no saint either, but Lord Kat was outright fucking vengeful. Mentioning Scarlett leaving Spoony and saying Spoony should kill himself, was pretty fucking low.
How can you say Lordkat has no right to “dislike” or “hate” spoony when he worked side by side with him? I don’t know how long you’ve been visiting the webite but I’ve been following SPoony since 2008. He has changed a lot as a person. The stuff lordkat is speaking about isn’t stuff he just pulled out his ass but mostly the truth. That is why I take a neutral side because otherwise you end up doing what your doing. Looking for excuses to deflect what someone else who has more experience with the subject matter is saying. Obviously there is a lot more that goes on behind the scenes at tgwtg and being that they are under “agreement” they probably can’t share those details. Like Lordkat said he wanted to share what he needed to get off his chest. He worked with spoony? do you? does anyone else here? who’se to judge someone giving an opinion about someone they actually know personally over someone they just watch. All that leaves anyone trying to tell that person their wrong is excuses. You have about has much a right to argue with Lordkat as a child does begging it’s mother for candy she wont give him. There is no compromising about Spoony anymore, there are no more excuses for his behavior. THat’s over and done with now, the sh*t has hit the fan and the cards are on the table now. His ego has been a problem for years and now people that know him are speaking up on it. and using Linkara as a reference? who cares for all you know he can be the same way. He could hate spoony or love him. You don’t know him personally how can you speak for him?
I could say the same for you? You met him before? I’m never said Spoony is innocent. Please don’t twist my words around. Lord Kat has a right to dislike Spoony, but it goes beyond disliking, and he instead does it in an immature way by making a video of it, which was foolish because all it did was make him appear vicious and vengeful. Was it really necessary to make a video of it? I’d listen to Linkara more since he’s worked with Spoony more than Lord Kat ever has and Linkara doesn’t have many problems with him He can dislike Spoony all he wants but he has no right to tell a Noah, who’s now a mentally somewhat unstable person, to kill himself. What the hell possessed Lord Kat to say something to mean spirited? You think it’s justified for Lord Kat saying because I sure as hell don’t. You don’t tell that to anyone especially to someone like Noah who has mental problems and has had major anger and depression issues. You say you’re neutral but you’re mostly going after Spoony anyway. It isn’t just him anymore that cost him his job. Lupa, Phelous, Lord Kat all had something to do with it. Spoony has major anger issues and he does need to calm down if he ever wants to keep his fanbase together.
I could say the same for you. You met him before? I’m never said Spoony is innocent. Please don’t twist my words around. Lord Kat has a right to dislike Spoony, but it goes beyond disliking, and he instead does it in an immature way by making a video of it, name calling, which was foolish because all it did was make him appear vicious and vengeful. Was it really necessary to make a video of it? I’d listen to Linkara more since he’s worked with Spoony more than Lord Kat ever has and Linkara doesn’t have many problems with him He can dislike Spoony all he wants but he has no right to tell a Noah, who’s now a mentally somewhat unstable person, to kill himself. What the hell possessed Lord Kat to say something to mean spirited? You think it’s justified for Lord Kat saying because I sure as hell don’t. You don’t tell that to anyone especially to someone like Noah who has mental problems and has had major anger and depression issues. You say you’re neutral but you’re mostly going after Spoony anyway. It isn’t just him anymore that cost him his job. Lupa, Phelous, Lord Kat all had something to do with it. Spoony has major anger issues and he does need to calm down if he ever wants to keep his fanbase together.
“I could say the same for you. You met him before?” and that’s exactly what I’m getting at. People like you are so eager to start arguments with complete strangers that you don’t even read peoples replies properly.
Like I sad twice already now I’m neutral on this stuff. I base my views about spoony off the behaviors I’ve witnessed him showcase over these past 4 years. From youtube to the website to tgwtg. He has changed a lot. What I’m trying to get you to understand is that you do not know Lordkat,you do not know Linkara, you do not hang out with them, you do not know how they truly interact with eachother and you do not know what goes on behind the scenes. Once again I will say to you for the 2nd time now you do not have a right to tell somone (Lordkat) how they should feel or how they should react to a situation when they are tired of dealing with a person that they interact with on a personal level.
I’m not going to sit here and argue with someone who wants to make excuses for a grown man. If you think honestly believe “You say you’re neutral but you’re mostly going after Spoony anyway.” because I make reference to things spoony has done over the years to his followers and to himself. Instead of arguing with me you should do your research and understand how few of spoony’s original followers still watch his stuff and why.
I’m not attacking spoony I’m pointing out things he did and saying yeah, Lordkat has a point, and he honestly truly does.
and that’s all I’m going to say to you about this furthermore. I don’t engage in chat with people that base their logic off their opinions or assumptions. I’m only going to point to facts. Fact 1. Spoony has always had terrible work ethics, Fact 2. Spoony has always lashed out at his fans. Fact 3. Spoony’s Internet fame went to his head Fact 4. Spoony’s Ego caused him to feel he was better than his fans. Fact 5. Spoony alientated his fans and they dumped him. Fact 6.Spoony’s tgwtg co-workers find his behavior problematic, Fact 7. SPoony has been spiraling out of control, Fact 8 Spoony rarely takes the time to update his website regularly, Fact.9 Wrestle Wrestle is a perfect example of SPoony’s work ethics, Fact 10. Spoony could care less what most people think. Fact 11. SPoony will continue to make videos as long as people like you who defend him no matter what still exists. Fact 12. Spoony never appologizes for what he does. Fact 13. Spoony owes TGWTG and his Followers here an apology for his recent behavior Fact 14. Spoony insults and curses at his fans do you think he gives 2 sh*ts about you or how you feel? Fact 15. Spoony needs to grow the f*ck up and so do you.
Yeah you’re totally neutral. You’re COMPLETELY ignoring what Lord Kat said to his fans and to Spoony but he deserves a free pass in your eyes. Once AGAIN you failed to tell me why it’s justified for Lord Kat to tell Spoony to drown himself or take his brother’s gun and shoot himself? Did you not hear what I said? You’re not neutral. You’re totally bias against Spoony. Lord Kat acted like an asshole too, and for some reason you won’t admit that. Yeah Spoony does need to apologize for what he’s done because he’s had breakdowns and needs to calm down and quit letting his emotions control him. He has a habit of whining a bit, which I can understand since he’s had a rough life, but he does it a bit too much. However Lord Kat should not have made a video verbally assaulting Spoony, Joe AND Distressed Watcher. Those insults were uncalled for and it was not necessary for him to say such hurtful things. The same goes for Spoony on his twitter feed. Yeah Spoony needs to grow up you say, but not Lord Kat. No what he said was perfectly fine right? He had every right to tell a person with mental problems to fucking kill himself right? Give me a break. Lord Kat whines too. He left TGWTG because he didn’t like what Spoony did? Because he couldn’t interview Notch? Sorry but that’s a pretty stupid reason to leave. Also, you are also once again, wrong. Spoony is not the only one that needs to grow up. The same goes for Lord Kat, Lupa and Phelous too.
You are lucky to have a brother there to help you through whatever hardships you are going through. Just another unimportant comment wishing you well, Mr Antwiler. No doubt, it has been a fun run but no project or persona is worth your life or sanity, not even this one. Been sort of in a similar position – having to give up on a dream to get help. You will get back into the stream of things once you are doing better. You get older but you aren’t too old to take a break for your own well being, if need be. If you go break than you can quickly reclaim your popularity again once you are clear. That part of you that guys like Yahtzee Croshaw cheered on are still there. Anyways, good luck.
Are all American fans drama queens?
I am quite ashamed to call myself a fan at all if this is what supposed “fans” of Spoony does. Whine and bitch about his behavior. And I see several people on these comment boards and twitter and forums have even worse fucking behavior towards Spoony than I’ve ever seen him come up with as his Spoony character.
Damn you all for condemning a man who’s only crime is to do funny videos his own way to entertain us so called “fans”.
If I could afford it I would sponsor this man for as long as he needed to because he has a god-given talent for entertainment.
/Greets from Sweden motherf*ckers.
Aren’t all these problems, one should deal with face to face, instead of discussing them with strangers from all over the internet? All these Posts seem kinda weird to me…
Spoony started it by airing his feelings VERY publicly online. If you want your personal life to remain personal don’t make it public. Simple as that really.
Am I one of the few who just doesn’t give a shit about all this drama? I’ve been coming to TSE for years and have enjoyed hours and hours of dam funny and free entertainment.
I get that some people are disappointed that he lashed out at “fans” but from what little i have seen on the twitter bullshit seems like a lot of nosy/self important people thinking they have an impact individually on an entertainers life, I imagine he has at least thousands of fans and while I can see why people would want to get involved If i where in spoony’s position i wouldn’t want a bunch of people who don’t know me ( in real life ) too give me life advice in 140 characters or less.
If that was me in his position and on a bad day i would have lost a lot more “fans” than he did.
i don’t care who did what and who’s to blame, but all the drama and overreacting and werds was pretty entertaining for the first 2 days.
Hey Spoony, I honestly can’t be bothered to deal with the drama surrounding your person, so here’s the deal: ypou keep making videos and we’ll keep watching them. Grit your teeth and keep on trucking man, cause I fucking love your work and I know you can and will do better.
Hey guys. Can we stop talking about pointless, idiotic drama that is none of our business to begin with and get back to what this damn video is really about?
I’m just saying. I think Spoony is off the mark with this one. Character specific combos are exactly part of the strategy. They aren’t disconnected from the strategy. Having one universal combo for everyone doesn’t make the game any more strategic. In fact, it makes it less so.
Also, P4 is nowhere near my favorite console RPG. It’s certainly a nice game, even a good one. Just not the best.
“I’m writing the next part of Ultima 9 now. The video should be done next week.”
Lol he just started writing his script now? What the fuck is he doing all the time? Or right fighting wars on Twitter. -__-
EDIT: Oh and the video is not gonna be finished next week for sure.
Twitter is a real pest. Even if you dont really want to, you still somehow defend yourself against attacks. And then you wait for the reply, etc. etc.
I can see how it hinders Spoony work.
I guess he spends it recording 8 hours worth of RPG footage, then eating sandwiches and playing video games and posting on twitter… Really who knows what spoony does. Whatever it is it’s not what he SHOULD be doing.
Tom Servo :: “Eating sandwiches while the world cried…”
Would like to have some of that golden persona pie.
2 Things will happen with this now that he is off TGWTG. He’ll either take his own website more seriously and start working on it more or He’ll just spiral out of control and hit the bottom till he realizes he should have taken a different path in life.
anyway checkout these vids
a discussion between Lordkat and Lupa, it’s pretty interesting.
I like LordKat’s perspective than on his live show rant. It was a lot more calmer.
This really confirms a lot of suspicions I’ve had about Spoony. Thanks for the link! :)
Sound a lot like 2 person just wallowing in their own self-righteousness
and acting pretty smug to me. What is there to be accomplished by
pushing the issue any more than it already has at this point?
I don’t know how well Spoony is feeling. Neither does Lordkat and Lupa.
Nobody does. But having being in a depressive state for the greater part
of my live I know damn well how hard it can be. The denial, the
self-delusion, the self-belittling, the inability to function like a
normal person, the feeling of sinking in quicksand as tough trapped in
your own perpetual hell, and more than anything else, the feeling of
being along in the world. To muster the strength to go on everyday is a
miracle in itself. Overcoming such a state takes incommensurable efforts
and help, and the last thing you want to hear is “to get over it” as
tough it was the easiest feat in the world.
That being said, I cannot take ANYTHING Lordkat says seriously after
what he said to Spoony on his stream. It was a BILLION times more vile
than any silly tweeted joke or snarky comment Spoony could ever post,
because his only intent was to hurt him emotionally while Spoony was
only being is humouristic/cynical self. And Lupa. As much as I love
Lupa, she didn’t do this to defend JesuOtaku. That might have been the
initial spark but it degraded into something else. It turned into
berating, it turned into proving her righteousness. Ultimately, it is
her pride and egotism on display. When someone is getting beaten to a
pulp in the street and you jump in to intervene, that’s standing up for
something. You put yourself at great risks for another, that’s a true
act of selflessness. Making a big deal out of meaningless words spoken
over Tweeter is only about directing attention toward yourself. And
whether she was aware of it or not, she manipulated the masses of fans
and converged them against Spoony. Fans can be completely insane
sometimes and I don’t know if many reviewers knows the power they have
over them and how malleable the public opinon can be.
All in all, I’m very sad everything turned so sour especially since it
involves many reviewers that I cherish and love (well, except
Lordkat…). I really do hope things get better and that this won’t
leave bitterness among other parties (Phelan, Joe, Brad and so on). The
last thing I want to see is TGWTG falling appart.
I’m gonna have to agree with you on that. Yeah, it’s undeniable that Spoony has been saying some pretty dickish and controversial shit lately, and I’m sure they have seen a lot more of it than I have… but I’m not really sure what LordKat and Lupa are so mad about here. It really does come off as if they jumped on this opprotunity because they personally wanted to see him gone. (And I know, that’s probably not how it went down, I’m just saying it SEEMS that way) LordKat and Lupa keep insisting that they aren’t upset about the rape joke (And frankly, as a member of TGWTG, I don’t see how you could get upset, rape jokes have pretty much been a staple of the site for a long time). In fact, In Part 5 of Lordkat and Lupa streams, his exact words are “It’s not about the joke, it’s how he handled it.” Then literally a minute later, they say he did the right thing by apologizing for it. They even go on to say that he acts very professional when he’s working with them, which makes me wonder even more why it was necessary to boot him from the site.
Then of course, theres the fact that LordKat turns around and makes this stream just to get more views and make some money, while completely understanding that it’s kind of a dick move. When Spoony made that joke, I doubt there was any kind of bad intention, or personal motivation. It was just a dumb thing to say that blew up on him.
But it is what it is. It seems like theres been a lot of stuff going on behind the scenes that has been pissing people off for a long time. I’ve seen Spoony publicly flip out over some really petty shit, so I can only imagine what comes out when the fans aren’t watching.
I guess on the plus side, the comments section here won’t be flooded with shit like “TGWTG IS RUINING SPOONY!” anymore.
At least I can give LordKat some cred. He is honest about what he feels. Lupa comes off real bad in this and hearing her in this video just makes it sound worse. I don’t think I can enjoy any of her videos ever again (though I didn’t really in the first place so I suppose that comment is moot).
Spoony really got hosed in this whole TGWTG deal. From what I read on
Twitter (and I don’t read Twitter that often because all 140 characters
allow people to do is take in things things out of context and throw
insults at each other) Spoony only lashed out at people who were lashing
out at him first.
Obscurus Lupa should have asked JesuOtaku before taking a sword for a
cause that Lupa blew out of proportion and JO didn’t want to fight –
because JO didn’t care about it. Instead Lupa started an assault on
Spoony (an action which her unfunny friend phelous tried to justify by
claiming ‘she’s standing up for what’s right’) which in turn sicced her
followers onto Spoony. And Spoony reacted in kind, as should have been
Spoony getting fired for spewing vitriol on a bunch of mindless twitter
followers was a raw deal. I understand that TGWTG had to protect its
image in the face of someone potentially hurting the company by
attacking its customers, but if it was a strictly professional decision,
then they should have barred Lupa for a month for starting this mess in
the first place.
Lupa and her fans may be able to argue that she was justified for taking
offense at Spoony’s comments, but they CAN NOT argue that she was in
any way a professional in how she handled her own misguided rage. Lupa
acted just as poorly as TGWTG claimed Spoony was acting. Whether she
knew what she was doing or not, Lupa used her fanbase as a weapon
against another site personality and that should have been deemed just
as damaging for the long term health of the site as anything that Spoony
I’m not gonna lie, she DID handle that situation pretty badly… :/
But Spoony was already lashing out at his fans for trying to cheer him up. Which is a little hypocritical, considering the huge pity party he was throwing before then.
Even so, it was dumb of Lupa to focus on the rape joke, when she could have simply talked about Spoony’s treatment of his fans, or his own backward behavior.
@Mecha Did Spoony get a raw deal? Maybe. Is he in anyway as innocent as you make out? Hell No. Remember that Lupa, LordKat and the Walker brothers (among many others) have worked with him near enough day in day out for a good four years. Its all very well for us to sit here and go ”they overacted” but the fact is that they know him 1000% better than we do. I pity anyone that believes it was this one rape joke and this one incident that got him fired because its unlikely bordering on stupid – if they were as good workmates/friends as a lot of people seem to think and if this was his first offence then he would have got a verbal warning behind closed doors and probably told to make an apology whether was in private or in public. Fact is that this was just the straw that broke the camels back. At this point I will also point out that if you went and made a similar joke directed at ANY woman in ANY other job your manager would hand you your ass on a platter.
I didn’t insinuate that Spoony was innocent at all. In fact, I believe that this is mostly his fault. I’m just saying there were better ways to tell Spoony that his behavior was bad.
You must be new here. See, over the past couple years Spoony did a few videos where he makes light of date raping his fellow reviewers called ‘Spooning with Spoony’, and if I was running a site where that kind of humor was not only acceptable (btw Doug Walker was actually portrayed as one of Spoony’s victims), but raking in the money, then one joke about rape would not even register with me as any kind of actionable offense.
So one rational person might see just how foolish it is to compare that level of humor with “ANY” other business model.
Sometimes I wish it was just done and over with. I don’t care if I get thumbs down for this. But sometimes I just wish the whole damn incident was over and done with. And you know what? I wish they could meet each other again, and actually apologize to one another, face to face. After all is forgiven. I wish there could be some sort of, well, a party thrown at TGWTG where everyone gets together. Just something to forget the tension and forget about all the harsh things that we’re said. I wish there were other people that left TGWTG like Spoony, Lord Kat, That Aussie Guy, Distressed Watcher, ect. And really get together and do something special for the fans. It’s sad for me to see TGWTG members leave, particularly when it’s on bad terms because when the team gets divided, the fans become divided. Then you see fan-bases angrily hurling insults, blaming one side, about who said what when. It’s really sad to see that. It doesn’t have to be that way really. Advice to reviewers: You don’t throw insults at co workers and friends, especially not in
public. The fans do NOT want to see co workers hit each other with the
most mean spirited, horrible insults you ever heard in your life. They
want to see cooperation, friendship, entertainment and fun.
What would really be amazing, although unlikely, was if TGWTG members, current and former, (And maybe some former members can join again because nothing is set in stone) get together, throw a party, have chips, sodas, have a live stream thanking the fans for their endless support and do something unpredictable and special like doing a MASSIVE review of a movie or games or maybe actually do a Mystery Science Theater 3000 esque review where all of them crack jokes in an hour and a half movie. Like something really bad like “Master of Disguise” or maybe a recent bad movie too. I know some fans always wanted to see that in an anniversary special where they all do a massive review together. It would be nice if they did something like that.
Some of them dwell on the past, but we know that’s unwise. You don’t dwell on the past arguing about who said what when. You learn from the past, you live in the present and you plan for the future.
So… are you 10 years old? I hate having to resort to insults but you have an unbelievably naive world view. Do you honestly think an elementary school style party with soda and chips and some massive joint video is going to heal the wounds that have been created here? ”they want to see cooperation, friendship, entertainment and fun” what is this?? Barney and Friends? TGWTG is not some utopia where everyone gets along and loves each other: they’re human beings and like in any other society or culture where you find humans you will always collect a certain amount of people that are assholes. Fact.
Let me ask you. Why kind of question is that? What does my age have to do with anything? I never said or implied TGWTG is or ever shall be a Utopia. What’s wrong with you? So they shouldn’t really be friends? I know they are humans but a lot of the reviewers are, deep down, good people and most of the arguments I’ve seen were over misunderstandings that were blown out of proportion and the Spoony case is no exception. You don’t have to act tough What are you talking about? Who in their right mind WANTS to see the reviewers insult each other over and over. No fan wants to see that, as I said they want to see teamwork friendship and quality work. Why would a fan NOT want to see that? That’s why they went to site in the first place. So now having chips and soda is elementary? What planet are you on? They’ve had that many times. It doesn’t even have to be that. I just suggested a party and a massive review collaboration of sorts because that helps get rid of whatever tension they had in the past. It’s not a guarantee, but it usually helps. I never said it’s gonna solve all of the problems. But nevertheless they NEED to apologize to each other. I never implied it’s the ultimate solution that will solve everyone’s problems. Do not exaggerate.
I advise you not to resort to childish insults. You sound less credible that way
If you can’t understand why your ”lets throw a biiiiiigggg party and forget about it” idea is ridiculous then I’m not going to comment further sir.
I guess you’re somehow incapable of reading more than 2 sentences. If you had, you would know I said more than just throw a party. That’s good to know you won’t comment anymore. You won’t embarrass yourself even further that way.
Ghandi believed that elementary school style party would work, even without the soda and chips. He united factions that were divided by much more than rape jokes – ironically, murder and rape itself was probably present too.
And he was one of the most respected, inteligent and influential men in the World.
The insult was just mean-spirited in your behalf, I’m afraid. But I do see where you’re coming from.
Looked at Spoony’s Twitter again. Apparently he’s been diagnosed with Biploar II syndrome. Looking at the symptoms online, it honestly matches him.
I KNOW, your sick of this shit (I sort of am too), but hopefully we can end on this note. Maybe there’s something medicine can do to help a little. Maybe things will get better for once.
Well diagnosis is a major portion of curing any mental disorder, so I would say that it is great news to hear that the doctors have an idea as to what is wrong with him. The next step is properly medicating him which should hopefully help with his mood stability.
It’s actually good if he’s really been diagnosed this quickly. I’ve heard of a lot of cases where bipolar is misdiagnosed for years and treated wrong because of it. One bipolar guy I met in group therapy had been misdiagnosed for NINE YEARS. Basically a decade of his life wasted on ineffectual treatment.
I’m sick and tired of people addressing this to his “depression”.
IT JUST DOESNT WORK THAT WAY ! It’s doesn’t excuse his behavior.
He’s not a robot, you can’t just say “oh he’s bipolar, he needs meds” like your’re gonna tighten a few screws and all is right.
NO, this a matter of character, this is about THE WAY HE IS ! This is who he is! This is what he needs to work on. Not pop a few pills. What a crazy age we live in when pills are supposed to take care of shit that men are supposed to face as a part of our lives.
You think you or me never had moments of self-doubt, of immense loneliness, of fear of depression, Even the greatest faced those but they didn’t fling shit in other peoples direction.
you sit down, you take it all in, exhale and THEN FUCKING DEAL WITH IT LIKE A MAN , work work work until there’s nothing more to repair, until your armor is spotless and shiny, until you’ve ironed out your people-relations, your anger, your body, your beard, your work ethic, your life.
Sour grapes, negative, pessimistic, grandiosely pretentious…Blaming others, looking down on them, flinging shit on people who disagree on menial issues, spitting left and right like a viper… teenage behavior, all signs just before the fall… except teenagers can afford these mistakes.
In life you build alliances and take care of them, no man can succeed alone, the only reason why a guy like Spoony succeeded to break through is because of the internet where every shut-in has a shot at fame.
except he cant deal with it, it just inflated his ego.
The truth is a superior man could get away with a lot of these things if he presented himself as a true confident jokester, NOT a real-life small-time hunched over skinny asshole who had a bit of fame hit his head.
The way he just says these things… “Persona is the best, and if you dont agree, suck it”, i dont even care about the game …. but the way he says that make me wanna bust out his teeth.
Just remember how he quickly bows down to the Xcom dev, how he looked during the interview, like a shriveled, wet kitten… with that stupid haircut.
THEN he come on to the web-site, LITERALLY a single interviews (pathetic), he starts pretentiously bragging with this stupid shit he got on E3 and how this one girl-dancer was pathetic and just “sad” .when he was there drooling all over the place dragging his jaw all over the floor.
Hahaha what a pussy, does he seriously think he’s badass or better than us ? The guy lived a pretty fucking nerdy sheltered life, maybe he should step outside and realize just how bottom of the barrel he really is.
the Sponyass, a scrawny nobody who once thought he was someone, written on his grave
the old spoony is gone unfortunately, he morphed into this one and looks like he belongs on the internet junkyard. Bipolar or shit-polar makes no difference to me. he’s just wasted potential
Woah. Okay, I did NOT mean to suggest that pills are the only answer. He still needs to work out his issues the old fashioned way, it just might be nice to know the cause of a lot of this.
Just comment on the video. There are hundreds of books on many different types of depression caused by psychological or neurological problems. Unless you’re a seasoned professorial I doubt there’s a way any of us will ever know the hows, the whys or the whats in regard to a guy we just know from watching videos.
Lets stop the over-familiarity and chiming in on stuff we haven’t got a clue about, Spoony’s been punished for what he’s done wrong. So put your childish insults and sad 12 year old’s attempt at trolling away (at least I hope it is an attempt at trolling because if you can feel that wronged by a guy you’ve never met then that’s much sadder), decide if you want to watch his videos and move on from there.
I’m going to ask again. Why are you here? You have proven that you have a seething contempt for Spoony and has fanbase, so why do you choose to return time after time? Why write a long winded comment blasting depression as an excuse when you seem to have no understanding at all of the subject (which you have proven by contradicting just about every psychologist who has ever lived)? Do you feed on the negative attention THAT much?
Actually, I’m a psychologist. And I mostly agree with everything he said.
The word “depression” is thrown around waaaay too much these days. More often than not, it’s just an excuse, and a quick way to explain simple lack of self-esteem.
Have you ever heard of the “Emo” trend? Young people who adopt this trend usually say pretty sad things, and some even go to the lengths of portraying suicidal tendencies, or attempted suicide in a controlled environment, controlled self-mutilation, or inflict skin-deep lacerations so as to display their intentions.
Most of these kids don’t really believe all of that. It just becomes a habit amongst a social context. People aren’t “one person”. Our consciousness is divided amongst several personae – or masks – that we subconsciously build according to our social needs. You don’t act upon your desire. You act upon context, and you desire based on your action. There’s a really interesting case documented about Benjamin Franklyn, about a book he borrowed from a rival of his… I’m not going to write it down, but do look around for it.
In the same way, these kids will act upon context and not what they truly want or need. Yet, parents will scream depression, and very often come in wanting to dope their children up with medicine, hoping that it’s going to help. They want their issues resolved fast, and usually don’t even care to try the nonabrassive method of simple counseling. If there was no medicine to aid in certain neurological issues, trust me: more than half of the “depression” victims of the world would miraculously be cured.
And, excuse me to say this. I have nothing against you, personally, but I’ve seen you attack pretty much everyone who seems to have a negative feeling towards Spoony. You asked him if he fed on negative attention, but I could very well ask the same about you.
With all due respect, the more I read, the less of a human you sound, and the more of a drone you become. I have half a mind to actually assume you’re a fake account built by a Moderator or Spoony himself. No human being has this much unwarranted loyalty in such an out of context way. Not unless you consider this a religion or a political party.
Again, no offense meant. I’m just genuinely intrigued.
I’d actually like to hear more abut the multiple personae theory, this sounds really cool. Can you give me any links where I can learn more?
I don’t really have any links readily available, no. I don’t believe any information you can find over stuff like Wikipedia will truly help you much in the long run – nor do I even believe you should take MY word for it.
Just browse around your local library for some Carl Jung and I’m sure you can find all the information you need.
For curiosity’s sake, here’s a brief explanation:
The “Persona” is an adopted term in psychology that refers to the multiple abstract masks that we create subconsciously throughout our lives for various reasons.
We owe it to the social context where we are present and developing.
As we grow, we gather information from multiple fronts that help shape who we are, and what we want to be. Who we are, and what we want to be, are ALWAYS two different things. It is humanly impossible to achieve that desire, because the gap that separates both is always the introduction of a persona, which is by all means purely cosmetic.
In simpler terms, what that means is that we create personae so as to show ourselves to the outside World. I may refer to myself as a pretty caring guy, but that is part of my persona. Not part of who I am. It was shaped by what my cultural influences decided that I wanted to be. Had the socially correct stance been to be a prick, then that’s what I would want to be, and that’s what I would project myself as.
The projection of the “Self” – at the very least, the very, VERY superficial “Self”.
In another stage, the Personae also serve to shield ourselves from the outside world. If you can find some books on Visual Culture, you’d understand the following a bit more:
Society is formed upon symbolism. We use lies to define truths that we cannot fully comprehend while awake, or otherwise neurologically functional. To define a “Rainbow”, I use a lie. It isn’t a “Rainbow”. It is what it is.
The way I remember my teacher taught me is the phrase: “This tastes like Apple”.
The apple has no conscience of its taste, yet we attribute the taste to it as if it belonged to it, when truly, it does not.
Before I digress, let me tie that in with the concept at hand. As we are exposed to the various stimuli in our social circles, it’s pretty common that we come across several characteristics that we find appealing or rewarding in the long run, right?
Well, just the same, we will find characteristics that we find disturbing, unwarranted, disgusting, unappealing, etc. This isn’t our fault. It is simply the way the current ideology is built, and we only react upon what we are taught. Nobody truly “Is” him or herself. We are but results of people who were, and we are the pillars for people who will be.
That said, take homosexuals and the hatred that people have for them. It is culturally an unnaccepted thing mostly because of religion. This is called “The Power”. The Power is exerted unto you at every second of your life, and we act upon it unwillingly, and regardless of our “ideals”. If you hate homosexuals, you are giving into the Power. If you love them, or tolerate them, you are rejecting it. There is no middle ground, unless you’re a cultureless baby.
In order to distance ourselves from what is considered “Wrong”, by the Power, we create Personae. One spectrum will do so to project ourselves in the way we want other people to see us. On the other hand, we do so because we REALLY don’t want to be associated with the other extreme.
“I’d never do that!”
The word “Never” is extremely subjective, but the very act of saying it is part of what establishes your persona. Knowing you have no intention of doing it, or never have, should be enough. But your subconscious forces you to reassure not only yourself, but those around you, that you would, indeed, “never do that”.
Anyway. Sorry for the huge post. Hope that enlightens you some. But, please. Do perform a sweep at your local library and study the concept a bit more through your own curiosity. I do it no justice.
I read every word of your post. Maybe I’ll buy a book on Jung. Thank you.
Your definition of what “the Power” is is a little strange though. Where is the line between ‘giving in’ and ‘rejecting’ the Power?
I am glad you found it interesting!
There is no deeper line to be found. You can either give into it, or reject it, which in a sense, is also giving into it.
I’ll explain using religious standpoints, and if I offend anyone’s belief, I apologise in advance for doing so.
Let’s say that giving into the Power is being a theist; believing that there is a higher being/entities/element/etc. Let’s say that rejecting that is being an atheist. What is the middle ground between the two?
Well, that’d be agnosticism. In the modern sense, an agnostic has to largely live by the concept that whatever lies beyond human life is both not cognoscible considering our physiological and neurological limitations, nor will it ever be proven (for, or against).
However, the true, purest form of agnosticism is that of a being who is not aware, nor could ever become aware at the current context in which it is placed, that a religion even exists, or what a religion even is altogether. Animals are agnostics. Babies are agnostics.
It isn’t the same with the Power, because it is irreversible to us, as humans. In the same way, the only way to be devoid of culture is to never be exposed to it, in any way, shape or form.
The Power is of an extreme relevance to the very formation of everything that we have become ever since we were born – in simpler words, everything we have ever done, ever since we opened our eyes, has been in an ideological context, created through culture. Ever since we heard a human voice, ever since we’ve seen another human being, ever since we’ve eaten cooked food. It doesn’t help, either, that we’re already genetically predisposed into culture. If the weather becomes colder, we aren’t genetically prepared for that, because we just make warmer jackets. If we start becoming a prey in a wild environment, we have no physical form of defense like claws or large canines. Our brain will help to devise a strategy, but that’s a CULTURAL adjustment, NOT a genetic one.
So, as you see, there really is but two options, and the line between them is very simple to define: It either is one, or the other.
When you agree that people should war amongst themselves, you’re giving into the Power. When you disagree, you’re rejecting the Power, at the same time giving into it, because you are aware that it exists.
Hope I’ve made myself clear with all that. It’s been a really long day, and my English seems to be betraying me tonight, haha!
So, and I hope I’m getting this right, you can be cultured on a subject, and either choose to believe it or not (example: atheism or theism). OR, you can choose to ignore the culture, cast off any learning, and see all knowledge on that topic as subjective and untrustworthy (same example: be agnostic).
So, you can either engage “The Power” through rejection/acceptance (which are just two sides to the same coin), or you can ignore it all together. Is that right?
Whatever, I’m just happy I was able to get a response! Thanks :)
I don’t really find him to be “wasted potential”.
I’ve left before, but mostly because of the fans. I should sound more concerned, but I honestly do not care for Spoony anymore.
He is great at what he does – there is no denying that he really has talent. What he is, and what he does with his personal life, is really none of my business, provided I can get my entertainment.
Some would brand me arrogant, entitled or egocentric. But, really. Nobody here cares about my personal life, either. The last time I posted a comment very alike yours, I had this funny little monkey doubting several instances of my post instead of addressing the point at hand (typical uneducated fallacy, and easily ignorable).
Just enjoy the content, and forget that Noah is a moron. That’s pretty much a given fact, by now. Cherry pick. Take what you need, forget the rest.
Omg spoony, what are you on??????? take a shower too.
Not seeing the big deal here. Spoony has been insulting fanbases since the FF8 review or earlier, and I’ve never seen him say anything sexist. There was really nothing wrong with the joke that got him suspended in the first place.
This is pretty much the last of what I’ll say about the Spoony stuff from the perspective of a longtime follower of his vids.
The entire issue about him getting fired for making a “Rape Joke” that was reconciled a month or so before it was brought up again is not the reason Spoony was fired. The Rape Joke isn’t what this was about.
This was about Spoony’s overall behavior in general. His work ethics, how he treated his co workers, stuff that went on behind the scenes etc. etc. Apparantly Spoony’s Primadonna attitude was beyond just what he showed us when he would rant at his followers but it’s also how he treated people at TGWTG. From what I gather there are a lot of different sides to Spoony. He bounces between being super Mr. nice guy to complete asshole. It was that kind of behavior that got him fired. His attitude is what got him fired. Noah is the one that got himself fired. People will put up with you untill they can’t anymore.
When you lash out at people that attack you sure you have a right to get angry but when you’re a “internet personality” with a fairly good following you have to conduct yourself like a professional. You don’t just represent yourself but everyone associated with you. Spoony pushed the line being his usual self and said some pretty crazy things to people that were worse than what Lordkat said. LordKat was directing his animosity at someone he knew (spoony) SPoony was just going off at his own fans for telling him he needed to get help. I’ve seen comments people sent him and they were more out of concern for his well being than anything but his replies to these people were just vulgar and uncalled for.
Then when some people just tried to say hey spoony things will be okay and give him a good word he opened up friendly fire on them too and lashed out. He just doesn’t have the respect for his followers or other co workers that he should. Even the way this website is handled and he neglects it is proof of that. Just the very fact that he never once posts updates just letting us know whats comming up next, is like him saying “fuck off I’ll put a video up when I want too and you’ll still watch it” which is actually just about what he said 2 years ago. So you get it, he doesn’t feel obligated to have respect for the people that cheer him on,he doesn’t have respect for his co workers, by the way he acts it’s also apparant he doesn’t have respect for himself either.
I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that he really doesn’t have any friends. Like a true friend that can slap him and say “hey, Noah WTF is wrong with you man, you can’t be doing this stuff”. and I say that because he himself said that he doesn’t have any people like that in his life.
He’s been on a path of self destruction for the past 2 years, ever since the Scarlett Saga that he really hasn’t gotten over, and most of that might be because he doesn’t know how to deal with getting over something like that.
The best opinions I’ve heard Spoony’s recent issue have been from Armake21 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLr3vf28CP0&feature=plcp Who probably really said it best about the positions Spoony is in. I actually remember him addressing Spoony’s behavior long ago in a video and he basically fortold what would happen to him, and it did happen.
There were other reviewers like him saying pretty much the same thing. Noah as a person needs to step aside and get himself sorted out. Some people find people self destruction entertaining for whatever reason but other people like myself sure as hell don’t. I personally hope Spoony does for once take something seriously and start listening to the people he’s been ignoring and realize the problem IS him and he needs to change before it’s too late.
Yeah this is a pretty condescending explanation, I’m going to wait and see if he decides to talk about it himself instead of relying on the words of people who don’t even know him personally.
I’m sorry you were offended? by Spoony? as what I pointed out were things that he himself did which you can also find for yourself if you wish to. Just Don’t hold your breath waiting for Spoony to address all this himself in a mature and professional way.
Why are some comments disappearing?
After some lurking on twitter (which i said i wouldnt do and couldnt help it)
its starting to look like spoony isnt the problem….it seems to be a few producers and a few CA execs pulling some strings against spoony.
And when i see Sage, brad, joe and Linkara defend spoony and see this shit: https://twitter.com/Karkitty612/status/215979320424939520
I start wondering who is at fault, ive seen spoony tweet apology after apology, but NOOOOOOooooo. a few assholes had to start shit.
Spoony, stop apologizing, you dont need to apologize to anyone else at this point.
Also, Lupas “did oreo find a new mommy” comment was bullshit.
pretty sure that comment was in regard to the Oreo Antwiler twitter account which is a pretty sad affair imo.
“Noah has made it clear that he wishes to pursue a course that is
different from our own. We feel that with these different aims, it is
better for Noah to be free to pursue his own goals unhindered by us.” –
All I’m going to say is: who gives a fuck what Noah does when he’s not on camera? I don’t know him personally so I don’t know what he’s like so why should I care? I come here for the SpoonyOne, not Noah. I come to see him be a character, not himself. This is what I’ve learned from the world of wrestling, where people too often bring up the “facts” about the wrestlers behind the scenes when they simply don’t need to.
I like SpoonyOne as a character, I can’t say anything about Noah Antwiler much like I like CM Punk the character but I can’t say anything about Phil Brooks because I don’t fucking know him and I don’t fucking care what he does or doesn’t do in real life.
I’m sorry your personal life is so internet business. We don’t even know you and we care.
I look forward to this year’s special and hope we can put this ‘drama’ behind us. This is obviously an event that has aggrivated Noah’s obvious bipolar issue (or clear depression whichever it’s clear he has an issue, possibly linked to his heart condition) and yeah, he was in a bad place and shit wasnt helping and so you scream and thrash out. People ridicule when someone moans ‘but you just don’t understand’ but, shit, people really DIDNT understand and Noah wont make a cliche out of himself by begging for pity either, perhaps that’s his fault. I think Noah is just a nice guy, who’s had to go through bad places and perhaps just needs some time and help to get things back in one peice.
I wont say ‘get well soon’ like you’re some kind of lepper or something. I’ll just put a hand on your shoulder and say ‘hey man, shit’s bad, but we’re still standing here if you need us, and we’ll be standing, ready to laugh again when spoony takes back to doing what he’s great at’
If Spoony reads one comment on here, I hope its mine.
I’ve been a big fan of yours since I found your site after seeing you in a crossover with Doug. You are a very talented writer/comedian. Now I’m not going to get into voicing whether or not you, or them, were wrong or right. I still watch your riffs of Wendy’s and Gamecrazy so my opinion might be biased. But you need a break, just take a month off and go somewhere, get your shit in order, and get back to the root of why you started the experiment.(which I doubt was to make a boatload of money, but because you enjoyed reviewing games and movies). After that month or so, come out swinging with new content, vlogs, etc. Dig deep where you never had to dig before, where that talent comes from and let it flow like water from Niagara Falls.
I don’t know exactly what happened to trigger this hullabaloo so I cannot say whose fault it is, but I can say that Spoony, or at least whoever runs the forums of The Spoony Experiment, mishandled this situation by forbidding people from discussing it on the forums, because now all the speculation and rage about it is spilling over into the comments and stealing focus away from the actual videos.
Final Fantasy IX is best console RPG
What does that have to do with anything?
Noah said Persona 4 is the best console RPG ever. I love Persona 4, but FF IX is the best in my opinion, a game which Noah refuses to play because he hates the art design.
Eh. I’m actually with him on the art design bit, but I’ve played and beaten FF9.
Great mechanics. Great combat. Freya is fucking awesome…
But most of the lead characters look like they have head tumors.
Besides. I’m more partial to Legend of Mana and Suikoden 2. Not sure which late-PSX JRPG I like more.
do any of you actually LIKE Noah? why the fuck do you keep trashing a guy who’s been classed with a mental disorder? you people disgust me. you guys are only going to make it worse and you probably already have. he does this shit for fun and unlike the rest of you motherfuckers, actually has the balls to put his face on the net.
if you don’t like him or his shows, then get the fuck off the site, we don’t need motherfuckers like you clogging up the site.
I’m actually looking forward to both these games. I’ll be the first to admit that a tournament fighter seemed an odd direction, but it’s shaping up to be a decent game. Hopefully pesona 5 isn’t far off in the future, but right now it’s just in internet wish land like Wild Arms 6.