PAX Coverage – Final Fantasy XIV, Guild Wars 2

The Spoony One | Sep 13 2010 | more notation(s) | 

I take a look at the best game and worst game of PAX, but which was which?

Notes
Some of you are whining that I’m unfairly picking on the game for saying the tutorial fight was boring, and the person shown playing was using a gathering/crafting class not suited to combat.

That’s not my problem. That’s the class Square-Enix chose to showcase their brand new MMORPG. They chose a boring fight with a boring non-combat class. Indeed, that’s a worst-possible scenario, but again, that’s the mark of a terribly-organized demonstration. If they had any brains, they might have showcased battles against impressive monsters against higher-level combat classes to show off the full range of spells and abilities available to players. Or they might have put the non-combat character in a situation where he can use the full range of his crafting abilities. You know, something that might have shown each character in their optimal environment. It helps to sell the game when your audience is actually impressed. Hell, I’m impressed their audience is even awake.

Their job, their mandate is to make the game look fun, exciting, and fresh. They’ve done none of that. All they did was slap together a poorly-organized tutorial level with nothing of interest to see or do. I just find it funny that you’re not disputing the fact this game looks fucking boring, just that Square-Enix intentionally put the most boring demo conceivable on the show floor.

None of the other games did that. Final Fantasy 14 is pathetic, and anyone who’s still sticking up for it in the face of all the games I’ve previewed so far is absolutely devoted to fooling themselves.

  • Anonymous

    Oh god this was awesome. You mirrored my thoughts EXACTLY. FF14 was the most boring thing I have ever seen so far in MMO’s.

    Bland generic boring MMO14

  • http://twitter.com/all_your_games All Your Games

    How dare you,
    Deus Ex: Human Revolution is not a Square Enix title, they have nothing to do with the actual creation. They are merely the publisher of Eidos. Yes, blame them for the lack of demo, for the lack of marketting. But never, never give all the right and the blame to the publisher.

    I love your videos by the way, Final Fantasy XIV is indeed boring. :P

    • http://twitter.com/Physillis RG

      Actually you are only half right.
      From what I understand, they are also doing the CGI cutscenes, which is fine, because if SE is good at anything, it’s at making stuff look pretty.

  • Anonymous

    That song is way too Celine Dion I feel like I’m having a stroke.

  • http://twitter.com/will2k123 MASTER OF TIME

    Euuuurgh ‘Cat girls’.
    :I

  • Anonymous

    Huh, I detested the original Guild Wars, thought it was some of the worst money I’d ever spent. Buyt this looks pretty damn awesome.

  • Anonymous

    FFXIV is really kicking themselves in the teeth with this “stamina” bullshit I keep hearing about. Some crap like “you can only play X amount of hours a day, and excess would result in something bad to your character.” The idiots at SE have no idea what they’re doing. Just let FFXIV and FFVersusXIII die so we can have our FFVII or FFVI remake. And even then, SE will still find a way to fuck up both near masterpieces.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Alan-Armstrong/540276006 Alan Armstrong

    Holy crap. I had no idea Guild Wars had no subscription system.

    You’d think they’d advertise that part heavily; it’s a very encouraging point.

  • Anonymous

    I like how you tried to pretend for the entire first minute of the video that you were going to say something unexpected like “FFXIV was the best game at PAX.” You weren’t fooling anyone; I knew what your verdict would be before I hit play. I mean, seriously, could you possibly drag it out any longer?

  • http://twitter.com/PhantomIndex Alex De Armas

    So True So true.

  • http://twitter.com/CedarMusketeer Bryan Gardner

    Gee, for some reason I think Final Fantasy 14 Is even going to suck more than Final Fantasy X (not 10, if it was 10 it wouldn’t have a Sequel) But yes, Guild Wars 2 does look amazing, and I may just have to get it. It looks even better than WoW as far as MMOs go. Though I will say one thing for FF14, it looks like a continuation of the first FF MMO FF11, which also sucks and is boring.

  • http://twitter.com/all_your_games All Your Games

    haha.
    Totally agree :)

  • http://twitter.com/RedefineBastard Nathan Dunn

    Guild Wars 2 looks awesome. It’s the first MMO I’ve ever actually had any legit interest in. I hope it ends up being as good as it looks.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=4812139 Andrew Ballard

    Everyone talks about The Old Republic as if it is going to be the greatest MMO ever, but Guild Wars 2 intrigues me. I might pick it up, if for no other reason than that I will still have the game a year later even without paying anything past the initial price.

  • Anonymous

    Holy cow, I’m not a gamer in the least, and I totally want to play Guild Wars II. The graphics are wonderful, the battle scenes were intense…gah! It looks incredible!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Calvin-Jarchow/1131125364 Calvin Jarchow

    My friend really liked the first guild wars but I didn’t know anything about it at the time. Maybe I’ll experience a world beyond Warcraft. (my WoW habbit

  • Anonymous

    Me and my girlfriend used to play GW a lot, but we weren’t sure about GW 2. We liked being able to run around alone in the world, so to say, but maybe I’ll have to change my mind on that…

  • http://twitter.com/TehLegendOfDuke Dylan Dunn

    I have to admit that I’m really looking forward to Guild Wars 2. I wasn’t especially interested in Guild Wars 1, but everything about Guild Wars 2 has pretty much blown me away.
    Also, the guy you interviewed was really cool. Not only for being an a god of RPGs, but you could tell he seriously loved the game and, honestly, seeing him get so excited about it made me more excited.

  • Anonymous

    …wow…. O.o

    • http://twitter.com/CedarMusketeer Bryan Gardner

      No, Guild Wars 2, but I can see why you would be confused ;)

  • http://nl-nl.facebook.com/people/Gertjan-Van-Damme/1634782431 Gertjan Van Damme

    i’m playing the open beta, i have to say the only good thing about it is the fact that you can take any job there is by equiping its required tools. there was only one quest for me the rest were small side mision(mine this or kill 4 small monsters), the interface is really bad, and if you don’t know how to write macro’s it becomes really tedious to switch proffesions, the opening tutorial is really unhelpful too, i spent days trying to figure out how crafting worked.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Zach-Helton/1641829796 Zach Helton

    As long as we’re looking at MMO’s no word on Firefall? I’m actually looking forward to that one and I hate most MMO’s (I’ll admit I’ve had fun with maybe about 4 of them but I have trouble sticking with them)

  • http://twitter.com/CartoonCornerWB Taylor Wyatt

    I’m not usually excited for games like Guild Wars 2 but damn this sold me, as soon as it comes I have to try it out.

  • Earthbound_X

    I’ve played some of the FFXIV beta, there were barely any monsters anywhere, I could run in the same direction for a little while, and find nothing.

    And like Gertjan Van Dammet says, it’s still got a really bad UI, not as bad as FFXI’s, but still pretty bad. Why put this game on the PC? When it was clearly design ground up for the PS3?

  • http://www.facebook.com/MaskedRomantic John Ellison

    PAX looked awesome. Glad you had a great time there Spoony. Can’t wait for the next Gaming convection.

  • Anonymous

    FF14 is UNPLAYABLE. I tried the beta and after watching the 5 opening cutscenes (which make up the tutorial) and struggling to over come the worst UI in the history of UIs (which I failed at). The patching infrastructure is non-existent also. Most people need to use utorrent to get the fucking patches. I wont even get into how dull the combat is cause Spoony summed it up enough. Then there’s this whole system that limits how much you can work on stuff per week and there’s basically no game content to speak of. Fuck this makes STO look like an MMO masterpiece. But, hey, its pretty, thats about all SE can do anymore.

    Also, FF14 has no player appeal. They remade FF11 and made it even more dull and made a UI that is unplayable on a PC. Who’s that appealing to? FF11 players: No. WoW players: No. PC MMO players: No. PS3/Xbox MMO players: They’re too busy playing FF11. This game is the worst thing SE has done in years and with FF13 on their most recent list of failings, that says something. It will fail, and it will fail spectacularly because the only people who are looking forward to this game are the most rabid and mindless fanboy sheep that SE can drag from their parent’s basements.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Calvin-Jarchow/1131125364 Calvin Jarchow

    Anybody else notice Mr. Saturn up in the right corner at about 1:54? Sorry, he’s just so cool. Where’s my Mother 3 US release!?

  • Earthbound_X

    I know how ya feel, but I do understand why Nintendo didn’t release it over here in the US. It was a GBA game, that came out after the DS was out for around 2 years. GBA was dead by then, I don’t think it would have made money.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Paul-Luttor/1665090336 Paul Luttor

    spoony, you dont needa shout into the mic, as long as its near your mouth, it’ll pick up the sound

  • Anonymous

    Wait, was FF11 just as bad as 14 threatens to be? Where the hell is the userbase for this supposed to come from? Solely people that are nostalgic about 11? If SE thinks anybody still gives two shits about the franchise after 13, they are in for a surprise.

    But then again, Versus might singlehandedly save the franchise. Lets wait and see, im not giving up on FF just yet, though Square-Enix has lost pretty much all my respect as a gamer as well as a customer. Not just for the shit they pull on their own games, but also for ruining games like Supreme Commander 2.

    Fuck SE. Seriously.

  • Anonymous

    Guild Wars looks fucking awesome.. i like the fact the founder says and I quote “if you hate mmo’s, you’ll really want to chek out Guild Wars 2″ cause I do hate MMO’s

    but this video made me want to check out GW 2.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IICE2SI7DVP2ADW4NA62RLO42I Paktu

    OH NO THE REP DIDN’T TALK TO ME NOW I’M GOING TO SHIT ON THEIR GAME. Nice going tim buckl… i mean spoony. Get over yourself.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Simeon-Ivanov/100000521101770 Simeon Ivanov

    I knew you were gonna bash on FFXIV as soon as I saw the title :D but (as always) you’re right O Great and Spoony One … It looks soooo boring … And maybe it’s just me but the art seems a little … bland and, well boring, and the battle system … I just got one thing to say: “Frenzied”? Are you mad? They don’t look slightly pissed even!!!! … F*ck this game … On the other hand … GUILD WARS 2 LOOKS FRIKKIN AWESOME!!!! I haven’t played GW 1 but I wanna play 2 … Great Coverage Spoony, keep up the good work :)

  • Anonymous

    He shit on the game cause the game is a giant pile of shit. Get over yourself you pathetic little fanboy.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IICE2SI7DVP2ADW4NA62RLO42I Paktu

    OH NO THE REP DIDN’T TALK TO ME NOW I’M GOING TO SHIT ON THEIR GAME. Nice going tim buckl… i mean spoony. Get over yourself baby.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Shane-Jones/692156502 Shane Jones

    Guild Wars 1 is a good game? news to me

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Elijah-Henly/1488214955 Elijah Henly

    yup this is going to invite trolls…good luck

  • http://www.cuteoverload.com Jacob Barnes

    As a recent retiree from MMORPGs, GW2 does look pretty tempting – the first GW was always pretty casual-friendly (at least when I was active). And, of course, the bit about not having to pay monthly fees certainly doesn’t hurt anything.

  • http://twitter.com/thisgamesux THiSGaMeSuX

    I must say, I’m not an MMO type of person nor am i a person who digs the occult magic stuff usually themed in these games, but Guild Wars 2 sounds interesting, the things they describe are exactly what i want in a game, maybe not in that context what with the magic and all but with no monthly fees i see no reason to not try it. I want to permanently effect the world and have a story unique to my character, maybe some decision making would be nice, but i guess that is a perk only some games have.

    Final Fantasy is Final Fantasy i guess, being that same occult magic stuff i mentioned earlier which is usually a con for me but not interesting at all, except now more expensive.

  • http://mm-geek.blogspot.com/ Jaebird

    If only my PC wasn’t running on suck, otherwise I would look forward to Guild Wars 2.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IICE2SI7DVP2ADW4NA62RLO42I Paktu

    Why so made dude did insult your glorious douche bag?

  • http://twitter.com/getintheVandell Vandell

    I need to see more in game, unplanned footage to fully get a grasp of Guild Wars 2.. someone, somewhere, needs to do a livestream of themselves playing the beta.

    But yeah, Final Fantasy XIV and Final Fantasy XI before it are despicably wretched. FFXI has always been an Everquest Classic clone, and XIV is shaping up to be.. some kind of.. horrifying amalgamation of everything wrong with MMOs.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Elijah-Henly/1488214955 Elijah Henly

    if he’s a glourious douche bag, why are you on his site?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1630055637 Boyce Deaton

    Spoony I sympathize with you. I myself fell in love with Final Fantasy back in the 8-bit days when I was young. Final Fantasy 3 or 6 or whatever you want to call it is one of my favorite games period. Final Fantasy 7 was good, but then once Final Fantasy 8 rolled around something went horribly wrong. My guess is that Square has completely lost their minds and are literally just throwing out games to see if the consumer will actually still buy them. I didn’t play 13, I’m not playing 14, and I’m not playing any more of them until I get word that they have decided to reclaim some of their former glory. On a brighter note I’m glad that Guild Wars 2 has no monthly fee. I may just pick this up now. Keep up the good work Spoony.

  • http://www.facebook.com/SwobyJ Malcolm Swoboda

    Screw you all! I’m buying Rift.

  • Anonymous

    You’re hypocritically flaming a hypocrite, silly =3

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michael-Borean/100000041163314 Michael Borean

    Why are you being a twat? He had not one, but TWO, TWO freaking times set up to try their game. Are you saying he has no right to be pissed about that? Are you really that dumb? I mean seriously. They didn’t talk to him, after he set up TWO times. WHY? What the fuck could be the reason to do that?

  • http://twitter.com/interludeauthor Sean Glenn Driscoll

    Final Fantasy 14 looks like 11, but prettier. Pass.

    Guild Wars 2, on the other hand? I lapped up the first game, and from what I’m seeing of the second, it’s gonna be a first day buy.

  • Anonymous

    I’m getting GW2 opening day. I have been planning on it ever since I heard about it, because of how much I loved the original. But hearing it so highly praised by you, Spoony, just adds icing to the cake. The delicious, not-a-lie cake.

  • http://twitter.com/Das_Bass Matt DiPasquale

    They so much as touch VI I might lose it. They have lost it. They know fanboys will buy anything they put out and are not even trying anymore. They sucked people in with VII and now they own them.

  • Anonymous

    Man, I almost always seem to hear about the marketing and show-floor teams of SquareEnix being total ass-hats and disrespectful to their purchasers and media attention (unless of course it is some big fucking corporate media outlet). SE is waaaay to high on their own farts. I’ve never had high hopes for FF14 though because I thought FF11 was extremely boring, and FF14 looks like basically a FF11 with a face lift.

    Guild Wars 2 on the other hand sounds really awesome. I’ve never played Guild Wars 1, although I’ve always wanted to. Only thing is, I need a computer that can run it :/ (currently all I have is a 3 year old Macbook Pro, which I don’t even know if I could run it even if they made a mac version).

  • http://twitter.com/Das_Bass Matt DiPasquale

    That FFXVI looked so boring. Like really so lame. Lets just hope this kills FF forever!! I never played a MMO, but Guild Wars 2 might just change that! Like damn that looks sweet man.

  • http://twitter.com/pyro2611 Joey Nova

    Hay guise why doesn’t I fite dragonz n godz during teh opening CS tutorial fite?!

    God, I’m not one to defend FFXIV at this point in time with all the bugs, flaws, and redundant menus when trying to do anything, but god damn… Did this douche just bash the whole game based on the opening tutorial fight? This is just beyond asinine. STAY CLASSY SPOONY! herp derp…

    • http://twitter.com/thisgamesux THiSGaMeSuX

      Sorry but FFXIV looks, sounds and just feels like its going to be a piece of garbage.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/John-Paul-Hartzsch/758406010 John Paul Hartzsch

    Holy Shit, Guild Wars 2 looks and seems frickin awesome!

  • http://twitter.com/xxDrCrackbone Matt

    I’m not a big MMO person, but I do love the art direction and combat of GW2. I might look at it more closely. Maybe if I had a decent gaming PC I’d consider buying it, especially after hearing the “no subscription” bit.

  • Anonymous

    Compare it to GW2’s demo combat (the footage is all over YouTube). There’s literally no comparison.

    Nice try though, fanboi. ;)

  • Anonymous

    That’s great but GW2 is not an MMO. You will have limited people in all the instanced areas outside town just like GW1. It’s as much an MMO as Diablo 2 was. Will be interesting to see how much game support ‘Free’ gets you.

    You do….realize that you watched the tutorial fight, as fought by a gathering class right? He’s throwing stones cause that’s the only attack gathering classes have. I mean I love jumping on bandwagons too but….seriously? That would be like watching a fisherman attacking a mob in WoW with his fish pole and nothing else and saying afterwards ‘Well that battle system sure sucks.’

    • http://twitter.com/MintyMintMint Minty Mint

      Actually, I believe the good folks at ArenaNet made sure to comment on how it is no longer going to be an instanced game anymore. Everything will be open world from pve to World vs World (basically server vs server in scope), the only things that are instanced are the dungeons and from the current knowledge base, your personal “home”. I use home lightly because it is actually more-so a district that is involved in your personal storyline. The “home” district is where basically your personal actions in game are most shown, npc alignments, as well as some other stuff that they haven’t shown us yet.

    • Anonymous

      Sheesh man do you know anything about the game. This game isn’t instanced those days are over.Stop miss informing people. GW2 is a fully interactive world that changes as your grow in it. In other words it’s a live world where what you do matters. and as far as “game support” goes GW is usually on top of their stuff. They give a sh*t about their games and they actually listen to what people want in their games. They did exactly what Spoony said in the video. The listen to what people liked about their game and then they made it even better and then they even went and improved that. GW fans are excited about GW2 because it’s the game we’ve been asking them to make. How would you feel if you made enough request to a game manufacturer and they actually listened and created the game you wanted? This game is going to be F’n epic! I’m selling my wow account! screw Blizzard! GW4TEHWIN!

  • Anonymous

    Back in the day I loved Guild Wars 1. It was the first MMO I every played and I still say it serves as a great introduction to the genre. My main beef was the difficulty curve, in the original GW it was ok but in say Factions or Nightfall It was way too easy. Eventually I moved on to City of Heros, Lord of the Rings Online and Age of Conan and had many good experiences with them. But I still remember GW with fondness and occasionally log in to beat a few Charr up.

    FF-XIV can of course kiss my British behind! If there was ever a franchise that spends al it’s time trading on past glories it was that one. At the risk of sounding sexist and a bit of an arse, I’m betting that most of the people awaiting this game are Anime fangirls overwhelmed by the Cat-Girl thingy, sparkles and the cherry blossom, and legitimate fans of the FF series who spend their time remembering the glory days and awaiting their return. They hope against hope that Cloud will one day return and draw the buster sword from the…er…Materia or something.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WN3LF7KOXWQNVDPZRT7QQDRPUA Kim Sung

    I watched the Guild Wars 2 E3 walk through on gametrailers and the manifesto video shown here and I was sold on GW2. I’m optimistic for this one.

    Meanwhile I’ve heard nothing but bad things about FFXIV and your footage did make it look pretty terrible. I liked your coverage of it though. Keep it up, Spoony.

  • Anonymous

    Man, fucking agreed with FFXIV. I got into the demo, and maybe it’s just that I’m going into it with no knowledge or experience with FFXI, and admittedly I’m used to playing WoW, but I had no idea what I was doing. Even putting aside how dead the demo is and how dull the combat looks, I had no idea what I was doing in the game. Once you get through the opening cutscenes and thrown into the main town of your choice there is almost no direction or useful tutorial.

    The game doesn’t need to hold our hand or try and be WoW, and it’s certainly not doing either, but there’s no excuse for an MMO to have such a clunky interface or complete and utter lack of direction in this day and age. Just trying to even initiate combat in FFXIV is cumbersome, and that’s just melee attacks. Spells are something else entirely and require far too many keyboard presses to initiate when, like, one would do.

    It’s poorly designed and poorly conceived, and it’s like it was created in a vacuum, cut off from all other MMO development over the past 8 years. But it’s an Japanese MMO, so I guess that’s just par for the course.

  • http://www.facebook.com/Divock Jonathan Dinerman

    Okay, Guild Wars 2 looked pretty cool, until I saw that little…thing jump out of that red robot. Then I was like, “okay, this is definitely cool.” Then I saw that giant Purple dragon, hellish, balrog, whatever thing. My jaw dropped and said, “Okay, THAT IS FUCKING AWESOME.”

  • Anonymous

    What does that matter? The class shouldn’t make any difference whatsoever in how the combat appears. The monsters barely react to the nearby ally shoving an axe halfway up its rectum, and the character himself doesn’t even drop into a fighting stance. This is basic RPG stuff, why would anyone settle for less when you can have so much more?

    • Anonymous

      It matters because the mobs in the tutorial fight don’t attack back hardly at all so you can learn the controls and fight commands.

      I mean the dude who watched over someone’s shoulder for 10 mins makes a persuasive argument but seriously.

      As I explained the character doesn’t go into a battle stance cause he is a gatherer throwing rocks >_>

  • http://twitter.com/Das_Bass Matt DiPasquale

    Don’t even try. Fanboys like that cry at the sight of anybody making fun of the game they love, but can shit on any other game for not having melon-collie teenagers with 10 foot swords. Or “deep story.” Let the trolling fanboy be and ignore him.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Christopher-Robinson/100000495888778 Christopher Robinson

    That’s not what he was saying at all. He wasn’t complaining about the fact that he was throwing stones, he was complaining that there was absolutely no emotion, no sense of urgency, and no atmosphere during combat.

  • http://twitter.com/SteveJones313 Steven Caulfield

    I’ve been reading a few comments and some people seem skeptical over Spoony’s review of the Final Fantasy game, some point to his ‘bias’ towards the games. Here’s the way I see it. FF8 sucked, FF9 was crap, FFX had one or two good things about it, FFX-2 was a terrible game, FF12 was boring and had one or two decent characters and FF13 wasn’t even worth pissing on. So looking at the footage (despite it being a tutorial fight) and going by the recurring theme Final Fantasy seems to be following, I’m going to agree with the Spoony One on this one. Now I can’t comment on Guild Wars 2 as I’ve never played a GW game, however I want this game BADLY just going by the videos I’ve seen of it.

    • Anonymous

      So you know nothing about the game, never played it, even past the tutorial and you judge it? That seems like one of the illogical things I’ve ever seen, considering Spoony does the same thing. I admittedly hate FFXIV, but wow, way to lose any kind of creditability. Spoony, why did you even open your mouth about FFXIV? Everyone knows you hate it, just get past the tutorial next time.

      That said, GW2 is looking pretty good, probably going to pick it up.

  • Anonymous

    Around the 6:30 mark, was Spoony just bowing to the guy he was interviewing, or was he throwing sign?

    And yeah, Square is as sadly gotten wholly, hopelessly, full of themselves.

  • Anonymous

    Agreed. Spoony liking a Final Fantasy game is about as likely as a Call of Duty game featuring carnivorous unicorns.

  • http://twitter.com/Das_Bass Matt DiPasquale

    A demo needs to sell the game though, don’t show thew boring part of the game when you only have rocks. Show us the part when you get a sword,bow & arrow, magic, anything, but when you can only throw rocks. That was a stupid move on SE.

  • Anonymous

    Oh. My. God. FFXIV’s combat looks so amazingly bad..Holy shit, WHY? First we get the barely controllable garbage that was XIII, and now this?

    You know what? Square can’t even redeem itself at this point. Talk about the rise and fall of a game company. I don’t give a shit that they’re making loads of money because NONE OF IT IS FUCKING EARNED. They’re just begging on the gaming market streets and receiving handouts for utter piles of shit now. The fact that they’re publishing Deus Ex 3 makes me want to rage hard, but let’s hope the developers don’t fuck up there.

    On a more optimistic note, I loved Guild Wars and can’t wait for the second game to release. Out of every MMO I’ve ever played (while honestly not very many), that was my favorite.

  • Anonymous

    Like to hear you thoughts on Amnesia: The Dark Descent

  • Anonymous

    Wonder what you think about Amnesia: The Dark Descent?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Alan-Armstrong/540276006 Alan Armstrong

    That would be fucking awesome, though.

  • Anonymous

    Spoony complaining about Final Fantasy 14 is most illogical to me. I mean, Spoony CANNOT tell me that he did not, honestly, see this coming because I sure as hell did! Ever since Squaresoft released Final Fantasy 7 back in 1997 they’ve been wanting to make their games more and more cinematic, and the notion of having a true cinematic gaming experience may not have been feasible back in the late 1990’s but they achieved their goal back in the early 2000’s and they’ve been on this, “I must make everything in my games cinematic,” road ever since then. And I don’t think they’re ever gonna get off this road…Not unless Square, stops making their games in-house. Because these Square Enix, idiots, have gotten to the point where they can’t look back on their work and say, “this is a piece of sh—–it!” because they’re beyond that. They’re like Ed Wood. They think their sh—it doesn’t stink. But it does. It really does.

    Somebody else should be given a chance to try and make a decent Final Fantasy game but that’s not gonna happen. Square won’t give up it’s baby.

  • Anonymous

    Sorry, stopped watching when you decided to bitch about the very first TUTORIAL fight in the game being boring. ^5

  • Anonymous

    Sorry, stopped watching when you decided to bitch about the very first TUTORIAL fight in the game being boring. ^5 on that one.

  • Anonymous

    I’m pretty disappointed that Spooney didn’t show the 2nd half of the FF14 trailer. You know where all the action and clips of in game fighting comes on to kick-ass exciting music.
    I get that he wasn’t excited by the tutorial combat and maybe thought that part of the trailer didn’t show that but it was blatantly misleading because that part of the trailer kicks ASS. Seriously go and download it if you have any interest at all in FF14 and haven’t seen it yet. But seriously bad form leaving out the action part of the trailer Spoony even if the guys there were asses to you.
    There are mixed reviews, some like Spooney don’t like it at all but I’ve heard people from the Beta raving about how much fun they’re having. I don’t know if it’ll work out in the end but I’m willing to give it a shot
    Personally if GW2 is anything like GW1 I’m not going to play it, it was fun at lower levels but as soon as you got to areas where you needed to party all the time and the game gave you AI henchmen if you didn’t party with other players it just became this huge cluster-fuck to me because there was NOWHERE you could go after that point on your own. I remember trying out the expansion classes and having 50 powers off the bat and 5 bots following me around agro-ing everything in sight. It wasn’t fun.
    GW2 looks good and polished but at this point it’s getting over hyped for me, maybe if I’d liked the first one more I’d be more excited

  • Anonymous

    Sorry, stopped watching when you decided to bitch about how boring the first TUTORIAL fight in the game was.

  • Anonymous

    They should probly update their Wiki then.

    Are there still going to be instanced areas?

    Yes, some character specific quests related to the personal storyline are instanced. Dungeons, the organized team PvE, are also instanced.

  • Anonymous

    Now that’s just depressing.
    Final Fantasy 14 actually managed to look strictly worse than Fantasy Earth Zero for gameplay.
    For the uninitiated, FEZ is an MMORPG that was originally published by Square-Enix (hereafter referred to as “Squeenix”), and later sold due to a lack of demand.

    FF14…looks worse than a FREEWARE GAME.

    I have no earthly clue how an alleged Triple-A gaming company does that. None.
    My friend played FEZ and tried to get me involved, and despite how innately broken it is, it’s still a great deal more active than just about any other MMORPG I’ve seen to date.

    Sometimes I think Squeenix just gave up after FFX-2 (don’t get me started there either), because the last game from them that I liked was their Engrish-Free remake of Final Fantasy Tactics on the PSP. You know, whose story was great on the merits that Old Squaresoft wrote it! Squeenix almost can’t even take credit for that success as far as I’m concerned!

  • Anonymous

    Man, I was a little annoyed by this preview. If he was complaining about the abundance of flaws in the beta then fair game, but this was probably one of the most retarded and unfair previews I’ve ever seen. The tutorial fight he showed was someone using a fucking craft class, so it wasn’t even a proper fight (Who the hell chose that in a demo!?). The battle system, flawed as it is, is so much faster and intense than what was shown here. It is still technically turn-based though so of course it’s not going to look as “urgent” as Guild Wars II.

    A really dumb argument actually, and I wouldn’t have expected it from Spoony. That’s like getting mad with Civ 5 saying “This isn’t a proper war! Where is the sense of urgency!? They’re only moving every 2 minutes!”. It’s a semi-turned-based RPG, not a full blown action game. I found it strange that he said they looked like puppets too, as the animation is smooth as hell and done by great mocap actors.

    You can call the trailer pretentious and overplayed or what have you (which it is), but I’d rather it was pretentious than knights and elves BS that is SO much more overplayed than FF’s style. This is clearly just a preference for east and west though, as I’ve never particularly been into western fantasy games.

    Half of you fuckers jumping on the bandwagon hating on FFXIV have absolutely no idea what you’re talking. Listen, I love Spoony and I’ve been guilty of following his word over actually seeing the game myself so I don’t have much right to say this, but think for yourselves! I admit, there’s a lot to hate about FFXIV and it’s not for everyone and a lot of you know this game is not for you, but instead of just following whatever your gospel says, perhaps you should make your own mind up and not judge it by a retarded preview that doesn’t show the game properly at all.

    Square-Enix are of course talking out of their arse saying the game is revolutionary and groundbreaking. Even the fans know it isn’t. But this is a business, SE are a big company, so of course some dumbass PR people are going to big the game up any way they can.

    If you look past the clunky UI, crummy voice acting and drawn-out story mode, there is a game with a huge, beautiful looking world, a strong variety of classes, a fun and rewarding battle system, a fantastic musical score populated with many friendly people (Something I highly doubt GWII will be able to boast). I’ll never expect Spoony to change his mind, that’s fine, it’s just annoying as hell to see people take his word as gospel.

  • http://www.google.com/profiles/115983402422572170577 Sketch

    DAMN RIGHT! FF14 was a disappointment. Beta test failed aswell. Square are fucking their crap up , slowly and people keep buying their crap. Dont get me wrong, they have 2 or 3 decent games , but for a company that big , THAT IS NOTHING.

  • http://twitter.com/yanipheonu Edward Brown

    Spoony, you really gotta stop reviewing Square games. Though I agree that 14 looks very meh, let’s face it, your mind was made up as soon as “Final Fantasy” was mentioned…

  • http://twitter.com/Deimos1984ad Zak Mahmud

    You know what? after playing FF 13 I could care less about FF 14, I mean when I saw the intro to your vid with the singing woman I was skipping trying to find where you start talking, pretty bad when FF 14’s trailer turns me off. So yeah to me the only FF series that exists is 1234567 and 12…jesus Square Enix get your head out of your ass, you should of at least showed Deus Ex 3 as a whole instead of FF 14, by the way that’s pretty bad when the demo of FF 14 FUCKING CRASHES in a convention, even the computer could take that piece of shit. As for guild wars 2….hold on I have to change my pants because I just pissed myself with joy, I am super psyched for GW 2.

  • Anonymous

    What wiki do you get your GW2 from?

    http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Main_Page

    This is the official wiki and it is always up to date.

    • Anonymous

      That is the exact site I pulled that comment from.

  • Anonymous

    FFXIV was dissapointing for me, but at least I gave it a chance past the tutorial. Gush some more over GW2, even you liking it won’t stop me from getting it.

  • http://twitter.com/SyrusRayne Jacob King

    It’s not going to, Matt. Final Fantasy will likely never die. God help us all.

  • Anonymous

    I am thinking for myself. I’m thinking this game will suck because it’s a Final Fantasy game. Yeah, let the haters hate, but frankly FF hasn’t churned out something new or innovative in years.

    There are plenty of MMOs out there with precisely the features you’re boasting about for FF14. Why spend 60 bucks or more on something that is no more innovative than a decade of predecessors? Why not just play one of the hundreds of FREE TO PLAY MMOs out there that do the same thing?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michael-Borean/100000041163314 Michael Borean

    Spoony was doing a wayne world I”M NOT WORTHY bow, only smaller.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michael-Borean/100000041163314 Michael Borean

    FF9 was good actually.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jordan-Crum/1221938284 Jordan Crum

    i disagree here. if square put out something that wasn’t boring as shit, he’d say so.

  • Anonymous

    I have to be honest, that sounds more like excuse-making than legitimate reasoning.

    Any human, hell, any creature will drop into a defensive pose when attacked or attacking. You don’t just stand there when a monster is coming after you. You just don’t. It detracts from the realism of the combat when you’re actively getting struck, and just walk around like nothing happened.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Pierre-Chanliau/1084524377 Pierre Chanliau

    you didn’t miss anything in the trailer. It was just as boring.

  • http://www.facebook.com/tjmac510 Travis McCollum

    It was great hearing your thoughts on Guild Wars. Like I told ya, my writing partner grabbed the panel tickets and ran while I scoured the floor for an hour (eventually ending up in us bumping into each other) but on Sunday I got a chance to play it and I was quite impressed. I would even go so far to say GW2 was better than Shogun…but I’d need to see more of both. My time with Shogun was quite limited.

    When I was at the Square Booth (loved the carpets, which was a nice touch) I did get a chance to play FF14 and I just wasn’t sold on it. I played and I played but it felt empty and boring compared to Tera, KOTOR or any of the other really good MMO type games they had there. I shouldn’t be BORED playing a game…I almost don’t want to do my write up on it because maybe I’m just not the crowd Square is trying to reach.

  • Anonymous

    Damn. Just realised how long my rant was there. That’s unlike me. o_o

    For the record, I think GWII looks like an awesome game. I’m just personally not huge on the art style or presentation but I totally respect what they’re doing gameplay-wise and in this instance, it IS pretty groundbreaking for an MMO at least. A game doesn’t have to be groundbreaking to be good though, and I think there’s a ton of good qualities about FFXIV that really no-one knows about.

    Wait until the official reviews for FFXIV come out, I’m expecting comfortable 7’s and 8’s with a lot of complaints about the UI. But fortunatly, that can and will be fixed later down the line. But I digress, as Spoony really isn’t looking at the game properly and the moment he saw “Final Fantasy” in the title he had his mind made up. Which you know what? That’s fair enough. They have had their chance time and time again to win Spoony over but they haven’t. I’m sure if there were many games in a franchise that I hated, I would probably pre-judge any further sequels assuming they were crap.

    All I’m saying is, don’t let Spoony make your opinion for you.

  • Anonymous

    Yeah, FFXIV looks boring and stupid, but so was FFXI, so this shouldn’t be any surprise.

    Eventually, there will be a WoW-killer, but it won’t be made by Square-Enix.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WZVR475LNNTIRI6IJED43R7OIY g

    Pretty uninformed bashing here spoony….

    -2 points taken from my respect today, you don’t know shit

  • http://www.facebook.com/tjmac510 Travis McCollum

    I will say also that the Square people I talked to were really nice…when they were talking about anything other than FF14. New Kingdom Hearts? Kind as can be. Upcoming projects? Nicest guys you could meet. FF14? Bugger off….

  • http://www.facebook.com/tjmac510 Travis McCollum

    That redheaded PR lady was hot though…just sayin =p

  • They Call Me The Fizz

    Square Enix blew you off? Sounds like somebody there finally caught wind of your videos

    Having seen SEVERAL Beta videos of FFXIV, I too was awe-struck by how bland the combat was… Even if it’s a tutorial fight, it should be psyching you up for the rest of the game; NOT lulling you to sleep!

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/KBRONOMQCZLLOVPVA36FQ4Q6QM J.R.

    I have nothing to say on Final Fantasy XIV since I’m neither a fan or a hater (Dragon Quest fan all the way though). It does look boring, but again, it is a demo, but yet again like you said, every other company was doing a much better job at showing off their MMOs so I don’t know what to say. I’ll just wait and hear how this turns out in the end. However, what cracks me up is the game crashing. That is pure awesome.

    Guild Wars 2 looks great though and I’ll look into this game some more in the future.

  • Anonymous

    You know I was literally about to skip ahead in the video in the beginning when Spoony started talking saying exactly what I was thinking. “something start happening”

  • http://www.facebook.com/tjmac510 Travis McCollum

    They blew off a lot of people…one of our other writers got shafted on two different occasions by them…and Square is his favorite developer!

  • Anonymous

    Why play a class that can only throw stones?

  • http://www.facebook.com/HazetNazule Whitney Rose Hall

    FF MMORPG’s aren’t for everyone. You knew from the get go when you saw at the first announcement when the ‘online’ part of the title showed up under the FFXIV logo that you were going to fucking love this, or you hated it/were apprehensive about it. If you loved it, it’s because you played FFXI.

    FFXIV isn’t there to draw in everyone and their mom like WoW. It’s not there to draw in droves of people for giant coin. It’s there to catch the niche market that likes a different kind of MMO. It’s there to tailer mostly to XI fans and people who want a story driven, community based, PvE exclusive experience.

    Boring is an opinion, not a fact. You’ve said it yourself that you can’t be completely without biased, but I don’t think I’ve ever seen more biased in one review. I’m not mad and I’m not disowning you as my favorite reviewer (read: all those angry people who spout “OH MY GOD HOW COULD YOU, YOU SIR HAVE CROSSED THE LINE!”,) but I am rather disappointed that you’re so willing to not step back and maybe consider that other people may have wanted to see more of FFXIV, instead of you gushing over another game and overshadowing it.

    • Anonymous

      “It’s there to catch the niche market that likes a different kind of MMO. It’s there to tailer mostly to XI fans and people who want a story driven, community based, PvE exclusive experience.”

      See: Guild Wars and Guild Wars 2. Square can do much better given their financial success and it would be ignorant to ignore that glaring fact. Why they choose not to put forth their very best with every project they start on can be summed up in one word: Money. Why bother revolutionizing or, god forbid, IMPROVING something that was done before when they can just take XI, convert it to modern day visuals, then sell it again. Good god. I wouldn’t be so pissed off if I saw some effort go into more than just the graphics and boring ass animations.

      Spoony is 100% right: Final Fantasy needs to be put down like a dog with rabies.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=704395302 Meagan Kellermann

      I agree. FFXIV is a throw back to FFXI. It has a different storyline, different play style, but in the end it’s very similar to what many of us loved about the game for so many years. It’s not for everyone; and usually not for those who thoroughly enjoyed WoW or GW and the way they were played. Please note I did throw in the generalized term of ‘usually’. FFXIV is not a game you’re going to understand right from moment one of playing it. It’s a community based game, and from what we know about FFXI, SE does not like to hold your hand in their MMOs, but that’s part of the adventure. It wants you to meet people, ask questions, and get into the community to learn what there is to learn about this game. Spoony, to get a true taste of what to expect in FFXIV without paying any money to review it. Spend several hours in the open beta. If you like, I will gladly give you a pearl to our LS on Limblum server so you can properly test out this game for what it’s meant to be. A three minute tutorial is not going to give you a good idea of what this game is about, or an informed review for that matter.I really hope you take me up on my offer. Review it the way you like and tell us what you really think *AFTER* you give the game a proper chance.

    • Anonymous

      “FFXIV isn’t there to draw in everyone and their mom like WoW. It’s not there to draw in droves of people for giant coin. It’s there to catch the niche market that likes a different kind of MMO.”.

      It’s Business 101: if you stop trying to get new customers, then your business WILL fail. the issue here is that they should NOT be aiming to a freakin Niche market. if they want to make a “different” kind of MMO, then they should be trying to bring NEW players into that MMO.

  • Anonymous

    I kinda thought Guild Wars 1 was boring, it looked too sterile plus the fact that outside cities you only saw people in your party was imho boring.

    This new one looks a lot better though. And the no monthly fee is a good thing. This might be the MMO that I’ll get addicted to.

  • Anonymous

    Well what can I tell you, those don’t. Pretty much only those though.

    Every other mob in the world animates pretty fluidly. Hell I think the combat system is probly the strongest part of this game. The game has a lot of negatives, but the combat certainly isn’t one of them.

    • Anonymous

      then they should have used THOSE for the freakin Demo

  • Anonymous

    Yeah. Bonus points if you didn’t start skipping through the FF14 trailer…

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Adam-Job/100000915926094 Adam Job

    i love it when spoony’s got the same opinion as i do.

    i’ve been playing guild wars since 2005 and i’ve been following guild wars 2 regularly since it was first announced.
    all i can say is: check this game out people, it’s gonna be one of the biggest mmo’s ever!

  • Anonymous

    Because they’re not the same. They don’t have the awesome world, great character design, original lore and kickass soundtrack by Nobou Uematsu that FFXIV does. It probably seems like I’m coming across as a “fanboy” at this point, but I’m really not. I’ve liked some of the FF’s but I fucking hated 12 and 13 specifically. 14 is a completely different game and I completely recognise it’s faults, I’m not blinded by fanboyism but there is a lot of good there as well.

    Why does everything have to be new and innovative anyway? New and innovative does not necessarily equal fun.

    • Anonymous

      I’ve never met a Gamer who plays a game because it looks and sounds pretty. As far as I know Game play is what matters in the end.

  • Anonymous

    For whatever reason you can start the game as a gatherer or crafter, and thus you have no starting attacks.

    It’s unknown why they even let you do this. But suffice to say anyone who starts as one of these classes immediately goes and buys an actual weapon so they can actually fight.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=704395302 Meagan Kellermann

    You *played* the beta? Which obviously means you didn’t make it past beta3? Open beta? I play the beta, am still playing Open Beta, and it’s a really great game. The UI still needs work, but I have to imagine that it will be fixed by the time launch happens. FFXIV has come a long way since Beta1 to now, which is open Beta (anyone can sign up to play). I play with a group of 50+ LS members and I’m having a blast. The one thing about FFXIV, which was exactly the same for FFXI, you have to meet people. You have to get involved. You have to do group events otherwise it will be boring and you will get lost. Though you can level up solo, this is by no means a one player game. It’s a community game and the community is what enhances everything else and kicks this game up to a notch that makes it so good.

  • Anonymous

    I said this time and time again but I’ll say it here too… Guild Wars 2 will be the game that dethrones World Of Warcraft.
    As a long time wow player I can testify that everyone that plays that game is just waiting for a new game to come and take them away. Guild Wars 2 is going to be that game.

  • Anonymous

    bloodypika is right, the animation is superb. Go watch a proper battle on youtube and you’ll see everything reacts to being hit as they should.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Eric-Mitacek/1944714 Eric Mitacek

    Maybe the non-tutorial fights don’t blow so fantastically, but I wouldn’t bet on it. If I have to play FF14 apologist I might try to defend it as intended to be undemanding, or something.

    Square though has been pretty well gutted. Any of its decisions to make interesting changes to its formula seem to be nixed from on-high by burned and worried executives. When Enix acquired Square irrevocable changes took place, and most of them were not for the better. Every Square franchise is now B-list to Enix management’s pet projects. Made to play it safe for better or for worse.

    We might get a sexy remake of Final Fantasy 6 though. That might be nice…

  • http://www.facebook.com/ittybittyvincey Vincent Sergio Vergara

    fuck yes. TANGIBLE. TANGIBLE EVERYWHERE

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michael-Borean/100000041163314 Michael Borean

    I’ve been reading all the comments and commenting on a few, and one thing stuck out to me. A lot of people were complaining about how spoony only did the first tutorial battle. I don’t remember him saying he only played the first tutorial. In fact he mentioned it from E3. I’m pretty sure he’s at least seen more stuff then that. Now, I just want to point something out. What is the point of a tutorial that doesn’t actually have consequences? I mean really. Do you actually learn anything? Take the tutorial battle from super mario RPG. I hate that friggin battle. It pauses the game and shows you how to do a timed hit, and block. However, timed blocks change with every single monster, and the timed hits change with your weapons. The stuff you learn from that tutorial, specifically, how to timed hit without a weapon, and block a goomba, are obsolete within 15 minutes of playing. You get to figure out the timing with every other single weapon. You get to figure out how to block everything else. Why did that need a, granted skippable, tutorial? Can’t FF14 come with a game manual, either physical, or in game that you can read? Like it probably does? Or perhaps some signs that they have for you to read while waiting in line? The lines are gonna be stupid long so we might as well get some information on the game while we wait. Why would anyone whos going to a freaking convention about games and need a freaking tutorial on how to hit in almost all likelyness the one button, and if you are really advanced the 2 button afterwards?

    Now as an addendum to this, because I’m pretty sure I’m not coherant really and posting this is probably a mistake, I just want to make one thing very clear. I love Final Fantasy. However, the game series is basically dead. It should have died about 8 years ago. Or would that be 6… Before FFX-2 at any rate. The games after 7 have steadily not been as good. Well I’ll say 6 since while I like 7 a great deal, 6 is by far my favorite of the series. Aside from tactics. The series just needs to die, because its clearly stagnated beyond repair. The only real money squareenix is getting from final fantasy is from die hard maniacs who will always call every FF game a masterpiece. Its like feeding crack addicts. Is that really a good target audience to exploit?

  • Anonymous

    “We might get a sexy remake of Final Fantasy 6 though. That might be nice…”

    Oh GOD NO! I know it’s the dream of many people to see some of the older FF games remade, but think about it: Do you really want to see FFVI made by the same assholes who made XIII?

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ariel-Paul-Melin/46102459 Ariel Paul Melin

      Agreed, I’d rather my childhood remain untarnished, lol!! Leave FF6 as it is, an awesome entry in the series and quite possibly the best one.

    • Anonymous

      If they do remake any old games, they better just update the graphics… and not mess with the story or game play

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Gesine-Betker/100000534075111 Gesine Betker

    Quite frankly (might have been said before by someone else, but I’m too lazy and too enraged to read through the other comments…) what do you expect of Sqeenix? Heck, we’re talking about the blokes here who FORCE people to buy a number of new consoles if they wanna understand the oh so epic story of a dull crossover game. (And yes, I HAVE been to THAT fandom and yet I neither understand why nor them) Sadly, be it KingdomHearts or the finalFantasy franchise, they do know exactly, how to lure fangirls in. I at least assume they majority of people nowadays playing both game series are girls as to the following things: Each and every game ever since FFVII featured a wild array of HoYay and FoeYay, ‘bishi’ characters and so on. I think, by now, squeenix is TOO SCARED of making a bit less money than this formula promises to make a good game…or at least a decent one…

  • Anonymous

    Actually, I’ve just realised something. This will seem like I’m making BS up to defend the game but I promise you it’s true. That first tutorial isn’t even a proper battle, the enemies do not attack you and sort of just wander about. I didn’t think about it too much because it’s only about 30 seconds long but the reason it looks awkward is because if it was a proper battle, it would be possible to die and they don’t want that within the first 2 minutes of playing the game, it’s just so you can get used to how attacking works. Square-Enix fucked up at the convention and really didn’t think about what they were showing, which isn’t doing the game any favours.

    Said this so many times already but seriously, go watch any battle on youtube. It does not look awkward like this.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/John-Italiano/522497712 John Italiano

    I’ve played every Final Fantasy game from 1-13, and love almost all of them despite some of their flaws. But XI and XII play like trash, and XIV looks horrid. Any time they try MMO gameplay they fail. Say what you will about FF VIII and XIII, but at least the combat systems are fast paced and engaging. When they say it would take 10 years+ to remake FFVII I cries bs. look at games like Fallout and Dragon Age, huge open worlds with good graphics. If Square can’t develop open worlds competently, hire better game designers, more developers, or place less emphasis on graphical cock swagger.

    • Anonymous

      the idea of having MMO style game play in a non-MMO always seemed rather stupid to me.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jeremie-Caisse/100000114247204 Jeremie Caisse

    Once again, Spoony is one of my favorite internet entertainer and review of various medias but the FFXIV part of this video was terrible. I’m not a huge fan of the Final Fantasy series, especially since IX although FFXI is one of my favorite of the series and one of my favorite MMORPG of all time. I can see people criticizing FFXIV and I thought that Spoony’s review of FFXIII was legitimate and accurate but both times Spoony mentioned FFXIV so far, he gave no real criticism about it. I know Spoony probably hates the Final Fantasy series and by this point, I stopped caring for most of it as well. Its clear that Spoony went there with the mentality that he hates the game already, especially when he puts misleading clips of the game. Of course you won’t feel any danger… Its the fucking tutorial battle and none of the monsters are aggressive on sight. Its obviously gonna be more limited of course when you’re level 1 and just your starting skill.

    You complain about FFXIV being pretentious and it was but so was Guild Wars 2 in this video. My biggest issue with Spoony here is that he seems to talk about stuff he doesn’t know shit about nor doesn’t care about. Yet again, we’re talking about a man who is anti-establishment and its well known that the Final Fantasy series is a popular and ridiculously overrated franchise and while I can relate with wanting to bash it, this is supposed to be professional video and while I can see a few jokes being thrown in, if you’re not going to judge it without being obviously biased, then don’t bother. I am looking forward to FFXIV but yeah, I am expecting severe flaws, mostly initially and YES Square Enix are being complete assholes, douchebags and liars about several information and the fact that they’re rushing the game just makes it worst.

    Guild Wars 2 better have a higher level cap than that piece of shit Guild Wars. I looked up and it seems that it is higher which is a incredibly important improvement because if the level cap was still 20, they could shove it up their butt. They want to focus on the players? Fuck, they talk about a lot of neat stuff but a MMO is not about the player but about the player*s* and its community. If the game is mostly stuff that can be soloed like that glowy turd WoW, it might as well not be a MMORPG. So what if its free? It doesn’t mean anything if the game sucks like Guild Wars did. I don’t care if its popular seeing how it has no relevance to the quality of a game. A MMORPG shouldn’t be about getting the level cap in a incredibly short time even with casual gaming and then do a endless shitty marathon of instanced areas or purely focus on PVP. Guild Wars did manage to involve teamwork nicely in some aspects but the soloing aspect of this game is non-existent and I think its important to have a healthy balance of both. I’ll be giving a look at both FFIXV and Guild Wars 2… Let alone DC Universe Online as well.

    Couldn’t care less if I’m called a fanboy or Spoony thinks I’m one. I tried the beta of FFXIV and my current impression is that its fun and actually has a good storyline which many MMORPGs doesn’t have. Also, Spoony obviously never played FFXI and fought the Shadow Lord or other fights like this because these fights were incredibly epic and better than what any MMORPG did at the time. If FFXIV does this again, then I think it might surpass some expectations.

  • Anonymous

    I’m actually enjoying the beta of FFXIV. You can’t really expect much of a tutorial battle, in which enemies cut you a lot of slack… and if you are not even playing a fighting class, like in this video! Of course is not going to be an intense battle if the most you can do is throw rocks :P I don’t even know why they even let you start with such classes as botanist and the like, if you have to fight “right of the boat” and you really can’t with non-fighting classes, but that’s a different matter and a different fuck up…
    Dunno, the combat system is pretty good in my opinion, from what I’ve played in the beta.

    Guild Wars 2 looks pretty damn good, too.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Marco-Sainte/1288934388 Marco Sainte

    Something I’ve noticed about the comments…

    Anyone notice that many of the people who agreed with Spoony about how lackluster FFXIV is are people who were at PAX and saw/played the demo, and/or were in the beta testing for the game, while a good number of the people who are accusing Spoony of straight bias don’t seem to have that level of exposure of the game? I find that rather interesting… it’s as if it’s just the fanboys complaining about what he said about the game, while the people who actually played the demo or the beta test are willing to see the game exactly the way it seems to anyone else without FF blinders on: boring and aimless. I have to give props to the art direction: it’s the one thing they seem to always get right (it’s how they tricked me into playing FFXI way back when… a large waste of my time and money, though I will admit that I liked their class system), but there is nothing in the game play footage I’ve seen, or in the trailer (and yes, I HAVE seen the whole trailer) that makes me want to play this game. And as someone who used to like FF games, that’s just sad.

    Guild Wars 2 however… DAMN!. I wasn’t even paying attention to that game, but just from the trailer alone I want to play it. And I’m not even into MMO’s all that much anymore (FFXI really burned me out on them, though I do dabble in the free ones every now and then), so that’s saying something. The cool looking combat, the intense looking graphics, the fantastic art design, the innovative concepts they want to bring to the genre… and it’s not even subscription based?? I really hope this game takes off, especially if they pull of half of the things they want to accomplish with this game. Sign me up.

    And Square-Enix: take note. THIS is how you get people interested in playing your game.

  • http://www.facebook.com/ittybittyvincey Vincent Sergio Vergara

    Alright so I finished watching this video and I always heard people talking about GW. But I never took interest enough to play or watch a video or anything. So now I watch this and Im like holy shit yes! I know what my paychecks are going to and then BAM NO MONTHLY FEE! Holy fuck are you pulling my dick? Cus it feels good. I played WARHAMMER ONLINE and while I liked it a lot it did get stale having to grind my KotBS forever just to do it’s job right. So GW2 I am so fucking ready specially since I got a better graphics card than my 4770 ( 4850 It made a good enough difference.) Anyways FF as an MMO just doesn’t seem right. Sounds good on paper but taken into practice it just doesn’t work well. I don’t want to be a faceless hero among 1000 other heroes doing the same shit. Fuck to me FF as a franchise died when 10 came out. It just seemed like it recycles way too much of the plot. Young naive hero with problems happens to be a hero. and Fuck I liked FF8 so this is saying a lot. Square enix has done the same thing over and over again that it just can’t simply learn new tricks. This is why Franchises shouldn’t last for 14 fucking sequels.

  • Anonymous

    How can GW2 compete with WoW or FF14 for that matter when it’s not an MMO? It’s a Diablo 2 remake.

    I mean the towns are an MMO….everything else isn’t.

  • Anonymous

    Not gonna lie, I stopped reading at “that piece of shit Guild Wars”. The rest of your opinion I couldn’t care less about, if you thought GW was bad and are using that to judge GW2, then you’re clearly not any better than you accuse Spoony of being.

  • http://www.facebook.com/ittybittyvincey Vincent Sergio Vergara

    You’ve never watched his Metroid Other M review have you? In any case so what fi he’s biased and hates the franchise he still gives those games a shot. Thats more than I can say for a lot of people who tend to lean on the fanboy side. It’s his opinion hes a reviewer if you don’t like his review then obviously you really like said franchise. No one likes when some one else dislikes what they like. I dunno for me I like seeing both sides even for crap I like. I loved FF8 and he tore that game an infinite amount of assholes but you know what? I still like it. He’s right about most of it but fuck I like it anyways lol. So what ever if you think GW sucks and if he thinks FF sucks. Enjoy what you like.

  • http://www.facebook.com/ittybittyvincey Vincent Sergio Vergara

    You’ve never watched his Metroid Other M review have you? In any case so what fi he’s biased and hates the franchise he still gives those games a shot. Thats more than I can say for a lot of people who tend to lean on the fanboy side. It’s his opinion hes a reviewer if you don’t like his review then obviously you really like said franchise. No one likes when some one else dislikes what they like. I dunno for me I like seeing both sides even for crap I like. I loved FF8 and he tore that game an infinite amount of assholes but you know what? I still like it. He’s right about most of it but fuck I like it anyways lol. So what ever if you think GW sucks and if he thinks FF sucks. Enjoy what you like.

  • Anonymous

    Couldn’t have put it better myself (and I did try!) so major props to you and I’m glad to see I’m not the only one defending FFXIV.

  • Anonymous

    “How can GW2 compete with WoW or FF14 for that matter when it’s not an MMO? It’s a Diablo 2 remake.”

    I really hope you’re trolling here, because if you’re serious, then may the gaming god have mercy on your soul.

  • http://bluehighwind.blogspot.com/ BlueHighwind

    I could care less about any MMO anyway, but FFXIV has given me that awesome theme song Spoony showed.

    By the way Spoony, its CRIMINAL you didn’t include the rest of that song. IT IS SO AWESOME.

  • http://www.facebook.com/themonsean Sean Keller

    I haven’t played an MMO for a long time. But looks like GW2 is changing things that made me stop in the first place.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Gesine-Betker/100000534075111 Gesine Betker

    Oh, one more thing: Did Squeenix say anything about their oh-so-well-thought-through exhaustion-system? The one that caused quite a bit of debate and anger?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jeremie-Caisse/100000114247204 Jeremie Caisse

    Yes I seen his Metroid Other M review. He did give the game a shot, in fact a lot of people share his opinion on that game and so do I. No I don’t like the Final Fantasy franchise, or at least not the later games and I loved the FF8 as well. I saw and heard of many flaws about FFXIV mostly the dreaded time limit bullshit but my gripe with Spoony here is that even if he played the game, he gave no information about the game as a whole, it was just some angry gibberish like in his FF8 and FFX videos.

    I can’t support the mentality of not criticizing something especially when said person criticize something themselves.

  • Anonymous

    I smell another review coming… my guess is sometime in 2012.

  • Renaissance_nerd

    im sold, sign me up for Guild Wars 2.

    fuck you Square Enix your old news. I was in the Beta for FF14 and i only got to play for a few hours cause it crashed at least once an hour. its unstable as fuck and so superficial. You scratch the surface and there it is, a pretty, bland generic MMO. Might as well have named it FFXI 2.0. I held out hoping against hope that Square may someday return to the titan it was in my childhood but no more. Fuck Square, Fuck Final Fantasy and fuck everyone who still likes it.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jeremie-Caisse/100000114247204 Jeremie Caisse

    Oh geez, a fanboy, isn’t that great? Also, what you say is idiotic, I’m not basing myself on GW when I speak of GW2 and my only issue GW2 I might had for it has been cleared. That’s what you get for not reading everything and being a fanboy.

  • Anonymous

    I’m not gonna stand up for Square – at best they’ve provided a complete lack of understanding of how to do a proper demo(as you’ve pointed out), and this fact does not make one confident about the quality of the final product. That crappy tutorial demo would’ve been fine had it been alongside some much more impressive stuff, and that’s the only way it would’ve been okay.

    All that said, I’m still crossing my fingers and HOPING The FFXIV will end up being a good MMO. It doesn’t need to be BRILLIANT, just needs to be good compared to it’s competition. But I am sure as hell not expecting anything worth my dollar if these demos are any indication.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Evan-Dawson/100001081996326 Evan Dawson

    I think I passed out somewhere around the minute mark. Thankfully your voice woke me up.

    There really isn’t much contest here. FF14 will only appeal to the hardcore fans of that rotting series, meanwhile just about every other MMOG is looking better with GW2 at the top.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jeremie-Caisse/100000114247204 Jeremie Caisse

    Seriously, if they do that, they might as well call it a glorified browser game with a monthly fee.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jeremie-Caisse/100000114247204 Jeremie Caisse

    I like the fact that you defend FFXIV but Square Enix has some MAJOR ISSUES right now and that’s why I am not getting the PC version yet and waiting for the PS3 version. Its really fun so far in my opinion but the game will seriously need to be refined.

  • Anonymous

    I like how if anyone refutes your points, they’re a fanboy. Even if they’re right.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Francisco-Javier-Diez-Diaz/1151204483 Francisco Javier Diez Diaz

    spoony, spoony when will you learn final fantasy has the final fanboys they know they don’t have to work hard to sell thousands of copies of their shit

  • Anonymous

    You forgot to edit the last bit into something less insulting and immature, too.

    And if I see the word “fanboy” come up in one more user’s counter-argument (If that’s what you fucking call that), I’m going to lose my fucking mind.

  • Anonymous

    I agree, they’ve fucked up bad with the exposure of this game. Open Beta is on for another 5 days and is available to anyone, go check it out and make your own mind up about the game.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JG2SGABC4RQ2O3A6ISV2KRLBKE Lin Amber

    Wow, totally terrible review. I’ll agree the FFXIV demo at the convention was awful and poorly thought out, but the game deserves much more credit than you give it. It has a lot of bugs and it is rough, but at its core is wonderful art direction, amazing music, an immersive world, wonderful storytelling, a character development system that allows you to create a class entirely of your own making, and an opportunity to interact with people all over the world. It focuses on gathering and crafting in addition to fighting and exploration, so it’s hard to compare to the totally action-focused Guild Wars 2 at all except for the fact that it’s an MMO. It’s not for everyone, but ignoring all its merits and focusing on a bad convention demo is ignorant and unprofessional. Guild Wars 2 looks awesome, and I’ll probably buy it but I’m also going to be playing and enjoying FFXIV.

    • Renaissance_nerd

      “and an opportunity to interact with people all over the world”

      Oh you mean like in FFXI where the language barrier alone sparked racial tension? yea loved it.

  • Anonymous

    “How can GW2 compete with WoW or FF14 for that matter when it’s not an MMO? It’s a Diablo 2 remake.”

    I think this is quite possibly the most hilarious thing ever written. And people are calling ME a biased fanboy.

  • Anonymous

    dude, that Guild Wars 2 trailer looked awesome. I hope there’s a trial or something when it comes out.

  • Anonymous

    All the PvE content is instanced. How is this not like a Diablo game? You only see the people you are partied with when you go outside a town, just like GW1.

  • Anonymous

    Fair enough, I can respect that. I know a lot of people are in the same boat as you. I am confident that it will be refined over the first few months though. Despite how shittily marketed this game has been, the developers themselves do actually listen to the fans. The proof is FFXI, they tweaked and changed A LOT at the fan’s requests.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Gesine-Betker/100000534075111 Gesine Betker

    Seriously: As far as I understood it from the various interviews, statements and other sources (correct me if I’m wrong), they planned or are still palnning to do something like this: The player has 15 ‘free’ hours of play each month, after they are used, the character tires and it’ll need two full days of NOT PLAYING for him to recover. And if one plays more than 2 hours in a row the character gets exhausted and again it needs two days. The latter though only if one does’t change the class every hour….WHAT THE FRIDGING HELL?!
    My guess? They are/were planning on DLC that would have allowed the player to recover more quickly and YET they’d demanded a monthly fee.

  • Anonymous

    So any game that uses instances is a Diablo remake?

    Does that mean that any game with random encounters is just a Final Fantasy remake?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jeremie-Caisse/100000114247204 Jeremie Caisse

    Yeah well I’m fed up with people that has to agree to everything critics like Spoony or whatever say just because they enjoy their videos. I love the stuff he did but it REALLY felt like a unprofessional video. Not to mention that the initial feel of that comment did give that F word vibe.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/John-Italiano/522497712 John Italiano

    I love FF VIII but must admit it has a crap story. I like FF X and XIII also. Still have to admit Spoony’s review is hilarious. But even a fanboy like myself, who’s played and loved 1,2,4-10 and 13, must admit that XI XII and XIV suck. Crappy combat, to a crappy MMO.

  • Anonymous

    “wonderful art direction” – Opinion
    “amazing music” – Opinion
    “an immersive world” – Opinion
    “wonderful storytelling” ….- OPINION
    “character development system that allows you to create a class entirely of your own making” – So I can make a class. I’m SOLD.
    “an opportunity to interact with people all over the world” – I’m doing that right now. And I didn’t pay an extra $60 for it, either.

    Seriously..feel free to appreciate the cosmetics a game has to offer, but please, for the love of god, try to judge a game with a little more focus on its gameplay. It could be the greatest story ever made with the largest, sprawling, most scenic world ever crafted, but if the combat is going to put me to sleep, I’ll pass. It doesn’t do anything new, it doesn’t improve anything other than visually and audibly, and worst of all, it’s charging fees for that shit.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jeremie-Caisse/100000114247204 Jeremie Caisse

    No, I’m a confrontional douchebag and you seem to feel threatened by the fact that I don’t love Guild Wars which amuses me. Just like Spoony, I find it fun to see people doing drama about something whether its FF or Guild Wars or whatever. If Spoony gave some efforts about his FFXIV commentary than rambling I wouldn’t have crticized him at all.

  • Anonymous

    I didn’t say I agreed with everything he said ever. I just said that you’re doing precisely what you’re angry at him for doing. You’re saying that GW2 “had better not do X and Y and Z like that shitty GW1″, which is precisely what you got in Spoony’s face about: judging the series based on predecessors and a total lack of information about the game itself.

    And don’t flip out at people and call them a fanboy just because they disagree with you. That would help, too.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jeremie-Caisse/100000114247204 Jeremie Caisse

    I have no doubt about this as well, however, my biggest grippe is Square Enix attitude in these recent days. They lie, they’re arrogant and give a bad attitude at people. Its true for many other developers but I just hope they don’t put this attitude in the way of making FFXIV a excellent MMORPG that compliments how excellent FFXI was.

  • http://twitter.com/BustermanZero Peter Dawson

    All those pros you listed only really work when the game itself is functional. Since its not and about as dry as a cracker, while it would make a decent game great or even epic, is makes a state game seem like it might not be. Hell, I was at the main theatre demo and I did fall asleep. Thank goodness Deus Ex Human Revolution was right after it.

    As for the unprofessional remark, its Spoony. Save that kind of thing for IGN. Plus its unprofessional to show an audience crap and expect them to get excited about it. It’s ignorant to also ignore the blatant sign that they really didn’t focus on combat in hopes of giving the game the well-developped fluff that it has. I mean, some people don’t play games for action, I know. There are four types of gamers if I’m not mistaken, and at least of them will like this game. The problem is this game is clearly trying to cater to all four and failing miserably with the combat- enjoyment crowd. It’s more boring than watching fights unfold in Dragon Age: Origins.

  • Anonymous

    Again, why does everything have to be new and innovative? You don’t have to re-invent the wheel to make a good game.

    Isn’t everything just opinion? Spoony saying it was pretentious was just opinion. When does opinion become fact? Just when you want it to?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_X5B5VHLNWQDZ63TQ2DIN2MVS4A Patrick

    I was skeptical of ff XIV but seeing the demo look so boring and uninteresting, I’m now 100% sure of not getting that game. Square must be aware that their fans will always accept whatever bullshit comes out of their mouth, so they just made something half-assed and labeled it as “groundbreaking”. I’m starting to be unsure of Deus Ex 3, but I’m hoping they don’t fuck that up. Guild Wars 2 looks way better and the gameplay looks more livelier than most MMOs. Additionally, no monthly fee? That’s freaking awesome.

  • Anonymous

    I couldn’t care less what you think about Guild Wars or in general. I’m just calling you out for doing precisely what you’re pissing on Spoony for doing.

    As for confrontational, I’d like to point out that you started the name-calling and ad hominem, sir.

  • Anonymous

    No I’m likening it to Diablo since GW1 and 2 are not true MMOs.

    So whatever you would qualify Diablo as, that’s what GW1 and 2 is. Since GW is not a massively multiplayer game obviously. It’s an instanced game with a really fancy social lobby.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jeremie-Caisse/100000114247204 Jeremie Caisse

    If they indeed do follow that paht, then I look forward to the idea of Square Enix to crumble in pieces and die horribly. FFXIV itself was pretty fun when I played it but if they gonna interfer with the entertainment the people, its indeed no different than a glorified browser game.

    What pisses the shit out of me is that if they do that and use DLC content to give the players more time, then it means they’re taking advantage of people’s fun and addiction to further fill their pockets.

  • Anonymous

    Racial tension? The fuck? What FFXI did you play? I got along just fine with every Japanese person I met at least. How is that FFXI’s fault anyway? That’s just… People…

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Aaron-Kerr/100000680887523 Aaron Kerr

    Oh god, Final Fantasy has unequivocally gone the way of Sonic. I might cry.
    Holy shit, Guild Wars 2 looks epic.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jeremie-Caisse/100000114247204 Jeremie Caisse

    What can I say, the way you said it made you seem angry about how I pointed GW being “bad” and I did make my researches before completing the original post which you didn’t finish reading. I even said I’m likely to give GW2 a shot because of that issue being solved. xD

  • Renaissance_nerd

    its FFXI’s fault for not separating servers by region like every other MMO. and i was on Garuda for the record

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Sam-Seeley/1157388579 Sam Seeley

    I have been a die hard fan of the original guild wars and have played it since the launch of Nightfall; and no other game has me more excited than GW2 right now… (save for maybe Portal 2 c:)

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Marc-Andre-Desrosiers/657443944 Marc-Andre Desrosiers

    you know people saying “It’s just a demo” THAT’S THE WHOLE POINT! a demo should make you go “this game looks sweet i am so trying it once it comes out!” not “good GOD this is boring!”

  • Renaissance_nerd

    just like those nitwits that still exclaim zero hour of open beta “It’s beta! it’ll be better at launch!”

    fucking morons

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jeremie-Caisse/100000114247204 Jeremie Caisse

    Um, I was on Garuda myself, I don’t speak japanese and I had no issues having to handle playing with japanese players especially seeing I was on when most of them were connected. I played with people with other languages. It was really just a matter of being willing to be patient. Some of the most friendly and best players I got the pleasure to play with were japanese players.

  • Anonymous

    Well, when Sqaure/Enix is claiming to be making a new and innovative title they should probably deliver on that or wouldn’t that make them liars?

    And no, there are facts. Cogito ergo combibo. I think, therefore this sucks. Bad game design is not objective. If a game’s goal is for broad appeal (most commercial games) and it fails at that, the game is a failure. Simple logic, happens to work.

  • Anonymous

    Not everything should be. But look at Square. Look how often they’ve given people the exact same shit, over and over and over again. Look at Bungie. Man, I can’t WAIT to buy Halo 2 for a fifth time. What about Black Ops? I simply MUST fork out $60 for one of the most obvious ripoffs I’ve seen so far this year.

    Game series shouldn’t be going on for TEN OR MORE FUCKING TITLES, especially if they’re all the fucking same. I’m not asking FFXIV to be the greatest MMO of all time, but I at least want to see a major improvement over XI. But I don’t. Why is it so difficult to understand why I feel how I feel? I want good games, not bad ones, and definitely not boring ones.

  • http://twitter.com/nolanmcgarry Kefkaesque

    Well, it seems that Spoony seems to have the same opinion as everyone else on FF14: It looks like slow, boring, plodding dogshit. Pavlovian dogshit.

    It seems like with each new iteration of the series (in the past 10-12 years at least), fewer and fewer people are willing to defend Square-Enix.

  • Anonymous

    Like I said, couldn’t care less what you thought of GW. You like what you like, dislike what you dislike. That’s fine. Just the notion that you were using it to judge what GW2 “might be” isn’t really fair, just as it wasn’t wholly fair for Spoony to use prior FF titles or just the demo to judge what 14 will be like.

    When it comes to PC gaming, you tend to have to be different with every iteration or the player base will chew you up.

  • Anonymous

    Just gonna throw my 2 cents in here. First off I’ll agree that that demo looked boring as hell, like seriously, if you wanna sell a game to an audience they should try a lot harder than that. Second, it does suck the the reps there were dicks to you, maybe they’ve heard of your dislike for the series as other people have said but if that’s the case I think they should have tried even harder to talk with you and change some opinions. Lastly for the positive stuff GW2 looks pretty damn good. And now for the points I have that people will label me as a fanboy for….. I can honestly say I’ve loved every FF game in the series, of course the older games are better but that can be said about nearly every game out there that has crossed generations in systems. I play FFXI to this day and am still entertained by it, not play every day entertained but 2-3 times a week, which is good for an 8 year old game. FFXIV looks very good if you were to look more into it, it’s pretty unfair that you give short criticisms about every aspect and then proceed the scream and yell and call the game pathetic. Everyone’s entitled to their own opinion but when you’re in the business of review, you should at least be fair, try the beta out, see if you like it, look up some clips on youtube of actual combat and other aspects of game play. If you don’t want to fine but hen your reviews are more or less just rants about something you hate. Well like I said, that’s my opinion and everyone can call me a fanboy if they like but from what I’ve been reading in some of the comments the term can go both ways, sure I’m a fanboy for sticking up for a game I enjoy but a good deal of you are acting way more fanboyish towards Spoony and GW with you posts then the people you accuse of being Square fanboys. Just in case I wasn’t clear I did mention that GW2 looked awesome and am a pretty big follower of Spoony’s reviews. As he himself has said in his recent film reviews concerning the Cinema Snob, sometimes peope just have different opinions.

    • Anonymous

      Just to say, as this seems to be a reoccurring theme with people who like something and then Spoony doesn’t like it or gives it a short angry review, he doesn’t just play like 5 minutes of a game then throws it across the room. If there’s lots to show, he will show it, but he’s not going to bore the viewer with tedious footage. If the Square Enix people are rude or boring, why would he film that or leave it in? He gave it a short criticism because there wasn’t enough to give more coverage. The GW2 team obviously decided to give him the time of day and were well put together. If Square had done the same thing, I think if anything Spoony would rave about it, saying that they actually tried to make things different. But I will say this, I really hope that GW2 lives up to its promises. I really like this cause and effect idea. Its really what’s missing in MMOs. As much as I do like WoW, I really felt like sometimes it didn’t matter what I did, everything kinda remains the same. Bosses respawn, ransacked villages are still ransacked, etc. So GW2, don’t leave me disapointed!

  • Renaissance_nerd

    well and im not saying every Japanese players, and American players are just as guilty, im just saying it was there.

  • Renaissance_nerd

    wall of text hits you for 99999999999999999999999999999999999999 damage

  • Anonymous

    It was nice to see people defending the game, but to see someone actually being fair to the game despite hating it? You are a hero of the comment section to me. Major props. :)

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_VMM22HBPJTSJX6G32GFEQXWFBY James

    I think that feature was in response to people who emaciated to death playing MMO’s for 90+ hours a week.

    Another thing that punishes everyone for the stupidity of the few.

  • Anonymous

    I still feel ripped of my 60 bucks from buying Final Fantasy XIII.

    (should’ve returned it on day 1, but I kept playing to see if it got any better)

    :(

  • Anonymous

    I’ve never played an MMO I liked but Guild Wars 2 might manage to drag me out of my curmudgeon-like state. I will take the time to try it whenever they finish. It looks assured to be better than the unfinished art show of FF14.

    Hey fanboys, the reason they introduced the experience cap is because the game’s end content isn’t done yet. They’re deliberately trying to stagger players so they can finish the game in a patch.

  • Renaissance_nerd

    the sad thing is FF14 is absolutely stunning visually. If Square spent half of the visual effort where it really counts it woulden’t be a half bad MMO

  • Anonymous

    You’re pretty much the one and only person I’ve ever heard who claims that an instance system disqualifies a game from MMO status.

    There doesn’t appear to be any such qualifier listed in any website I can tell. Could you perhaps cite your source as to who it is who claims that games running on an instance system cannot be MMOs? Because I know of a few games which do this and still qualify as MMOs….

  • Anonymous

    You’re pretty much the one and only person I’ve ever heard who claims that an instance system disqualifies a game from MMO status.

    There doesn’t appear to be any such qualifier listed in any website I can tell. Could you perhaps cite your source as to who it is who claims that games running on an instance system cannot be MMOs? Because I know of a few games which do this and still qualify as MMOs….

  • http://www.facebook.com/Novak83 Ed Novak

    Holy shit, Jeff Grubb! I’d be nerding out so hard! TOADE LIVES!

    Also, Guild Wars 2 looks so unbelievably freaking awesome. Like, seriously unbelievable. I can’t comprehend how awesome it looks. I don’t think I’ll be able to until I’m actually playing it.

  • http://www.facebook.com/Novak83 Ed Novak

    Holy shit, Jeff Grubb! I’d be nerding out so hard! TOADE LIVES!

    Also, Guild Wars 2 looks so unbelievably freaking awesome. Like, seriously unbelievable. I can’t comprehend how awesome it looks. I don’t think I’ll be able to until I’m actually playing it.

  • Anonymous

    Thank you for proving Spoony’s supposed bias wrong by showing off your own bias.

    …Wait, what?

  • Anonymous

    Thank you for proving Spoony’s supposed bias wrong by showing off your own bias.

    …Wait, what?

  • http://twitter.com/BustermanZero Peter Dawson

    To be fair, it does, but then by chapter 11 it starts to suck again. I think the story’s a lot better than some of the older ones though. A shame they used the damn codex technique to explain some stuff.

  • Renaissance_nerd

    oh yea i forgot about that. Getting stuck patching the game at 98% for over 4 hours.

  • Anonymous

    I couldn’t even fucking *install the beta* for FFXIV, so I certainly trust Spoony on this one. They couldn’t even make a good downloader. It’s literally like Square has nothing but incredible artists with a skeleton crew of shitty designers and shitty coders. Which is probably true, but pretty graphics does not a good game make.

    lol @ the die, die, die rage. So epic. I almost want Spoony to torture himself and play FFXIV live when it comes out for the lulz.

  • Anonymous

    HELL NO, I love the fact that FFXIV doesn’t have region-specific servers. The auto-translate feature works fantastic and it’s cool to be able to play with everyone globally. To me, anyway…

    Even excluding the language barrier, I’m from England and have many online American and Canadian friends, I like that I can play with them with ease.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jeremie-Caisse/100000114247204 Jeremie Caisse

    I agree with most of what you said. However, characters and proper story-telling increases the experience of a game. I’d rather have a game with a storyline than none at all like all the washed-up MMORPG titles these days. You exagerate a lot too, FFXIV didn’t really feel heavy on cutscenes or at least it wasn’t for the time I played the beta and if you don’t want to do it, just ignore the optional stuff and go have fun by killing things or do whatever you want, its simple and while I dislike WoW, its one of the reason WoW works in this aspect in a way but fails in story-telling by only using flavor text that the average gamer doesn’t reads.

    A good game should be based on good gameplay, a good soundtrack, a good storyline that is done properly without over-stretching the scenes, fun character customisation and a mix of other minor things such as that. MMORPG are usually games you don’t pick up an play right away, in my opinion, they need a certain depth to be able to break out of the mold and give a unique experience.

  • Anonymous

    “See: Guild Wars and Guild Wars 2. Square can do much better given their financial success and it would be ignorant to ignore that glaring fact.”

    ITT: My biased opinion is better than your biased opinion.

  • Anonymous

    No major argument there. I’ve always said that the only redeeming things about the series in the past decade has been the art. The programmers are competent, if somewhat lazy and they tend to release fairly well tested games. No, Square is a terrible game studio because their design team consists of people with their head stuck so far up their own ass they could probably crawl out their own mouth.

    They don’t have even the most basic idea of what constitutes a good game and fumble about blindly with their working mechanics to try and appeal to whatever voice in their head tell them is a good idea. The stories are terrible, characters unlikable, and cutscenes are intrusive. Everything in the design of their games is there to place an ever increasing barrier between the player and the actual control of the game.

    I bet FF15 will have an autoplay mode similar to New Mario Brothers Wii, only it won’t be optional.

  • http://twitter.com/BustermanZero Peter Dawson

    Speaking of Final Fantasy XIV at PAX, here were my two experiences:

    First I went to the main theatre demo. Since it was at 7, after the expo hall closed, it made sense. Then I found out the expo hall would be open an extra hour on the friday, so I’d lost nearly an hour. Okay then. Then they start showing the game. The cut-scenes are pretty, but the pacing was pretty boring, and since its an MMO your character just sort of grunts and doesn’t talk, thus they obviously can’t be a part of the story, can they? No no no, you’re just the random passerby. So eventually after confusing stuff happens the guy got into a fight with wolves. Okay, the wolves actually looked interested in the fight, but the didn’t move at all. Neither did the player. They just sat their hitting each other with no signs of immediacy. Thanks to the boring pace and the heat in the room, I began to fall asleep. Seriously. I missed like two minutes of it, though luckily when I woke up a hilarious cut-scene happened, in which Moogles stopped time to destroy a tree monster. Glad to see the player was helpful in the fight. At least the Deus Ex demonstration didn’t totally suck.

    So next day I go to the booth, and as I’m starting to build my character a guy asks me to step aside so he can show the game to two douchebags (seriously, sideways hat and everything) and it turns out they’re not even press or anything. So, I just got bumped after waiting eight minutes because… the guy felt compelled to show two white gangster stereotypes the game? Dick move, dick move. They didn’t even offer me one of their free USB drives. Square-Enix needs to learn some basic PR.

  • Anonymous

    For once, we kind of agree. Yes, it IS pretty awesome when a game has great gameplay along with a great story, characters, graphics, and music. Games like that actually exist, and they’re the sole reason I became a gamer. I’m just wanting people to understand why I’m so upset, because the very reason I started playing games is now becoming a rarity. It’s depressing.

  • Anonymous

    To be fair although FFXIV is clearly shit, I’m not going to let Guild Wars 2 walk away scott-free. They make a lot of promises like “the world is dynamic” or “your choices matter” and I think of a game like KOTOR, a Bioware game that puts a lot of emphasis on player choice. In KOTOR, your decisions don’t really mean much in the end though, since you really only get two endings. Sure you have opportunities at different dialog choices but really most paths you take mean precisely dick. “Classes are unique”; the FFXIII Chrystarium claimed to do a similar thing. “Combat isn’t just wacking a minion with a sword.” Well, you could just spam a really pretty spell all the time, but it could only be one pretty spell. “Art style is unique.” Cool story, bro.Sure, this is a pessimistic approach but I think its a safe one. Spoony said that you want to show off the best of the game at a show; I’m not one to fall for flashy lights and slow mo.

  • Renaissance_nerd

    i read an article that stated that Asian RPG’s in general are sadly behind the times. Western RPG’s like Dragon Age are tearing up the market for good reason. They are both a breath of fresh air and the rock solid tried and true.

    Asian RPG’s are still stuck in the early 90’s mentality and we as gamers have “outgrown” that. Square is sadly stuck in this downward spiral of shit. I have no doubt they make good games, just as long as they stay away from RPG’s which is the greatest disappointment of all since no company on earth at one point could touch Square’s RPG’s.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=704395302 Meagan Kellermann

    Taken from your notes it seems that you’re actually reviewing the way SE marketed the game at PAX, not that actual game itself. I can respect that. It really saddens me that SE is doing such a piss poor job getting a positive word out about FFXIV. There are a lot of things about it that are absolutely wonderful.

    Please don’t say I’m whining. Because I truly don’t believe that many of the loyal fans (myself included) who are watching your reviews and disagreeing with them are ‘whining.’ From the other comments that I’ve seen defending FFXIV; it actually seems like we want you to give the game a second chance and we’re pointing out the reasons why the game might not have been so impressive to you. Granted, SE sucked at promoting it properly and that’s their fault. They’ll lose many customers because of it, but before you insult those of us that that played it far enough to make up our own opinions of the game, give it a rightful try.

    After all, wasn’t it you who followed up that you did indeed spend several hours playing Deadliest Warriors when the game creators claimed that you hadn’t? Sure as hell sounds like you’ve only played FFXI through the tutorial on an exclusive server. Follow up again. Do your review, positive or negative, some god damn justice!

    • Renaissance_nerd

      point of order this was a PAX presentation. Both games were “reviewed” on how well they sold themselves at PAX. Nothing else mattered. Your argument while legitimate as a whole is in error given the context of this video.

  • Renaissance_nerd

    fair point, GW2 is making some very big promises, back it up boys or you will have some very angry nerds

  • Anonymous

    I’ve put 10+ hours into the Final Fantasy 14 beta, and I will attest that Spoony’s instincts are absolutely correct and accurate. I still will argue with him about FF13 being a much better game than he gives it credit for, but here with FF14 he’s nailed it. Square-Enix and the FF14 designers are as deluded about their game as the fans. Breaking new ground? Not only have they failed to break new ground, this is a devolution of the genre. It shares more in common with Ultima Online or pre-NGE Star Wars Galaxies than anything modern, and both of those were much better games at launch.

    Also it doesn’t matter whether that was a non-combatant class or not in the demo, it doesn’t invalidate Spoony’s appraisal. I got a couple different combat classes to the point of having 4-5 skills on their action bar. It doesn’t get any better! They all have the same animation, except the TP-spending super attacks do the same world-darkening effect as when you charge Link’s spin attack in Ocarina of Time. Whoopdeeshit. Then you still can’t tell which monster is actually hitting you. They swing at the air from 20 feet away and you take damage. It’s next to impossible to tell from the enemy animation if they’re hitting you with a melee or ranged attack. There’s no spatial sense whatsoever in this game.

    Honestly the game doesn’t even look that pretty, which is the one thing I’ll differ from Spoony on. The clothing and armor art and styles, those are very attractive. However the world is actually rather ugly compared with modern games. It has expansive, empty zones devoid of life and landmarks. FF11 had amazing world design in its time, it did more with a fraction of the resolution and memory FF14 has to work with. Square has gotten lazy, pure and simple.

    Even with more people in open beta, it doesn’t make the game any better. Why? Because the game doesn’t reward you for playing with other people, nor did it offer any group content that I could find in the beta. In fact you’re punished and are just wasting your time if you try playing the game with others. Just as well, because no one wants to talk in the game. Everyone would rather sit there and make their virtual items for hours, which you’ll have to really have a penchant for if you even have a hope of wanting to tolerate playing the game.

    I came into the open beta really wanting to like the game, but found possibly the most spectacular MMO failure I’ve seen in years. Even Warhammer Online was a far better game, despite being a mess of a game with horribly mismanaged development. The only reason FF14 may not flop as badly is because Square has a deluded mass of sheep who will persist in lying to themselves that there’s anything redeemable to be found here. Though feel free to let the game flop and prove me wrong.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t remember ever seeing them say it was new and innovative and I don’t really care either, I’ve played the game for myself so I already have my own opinion.

    I agree, bad game design is not objective. But a tiny minority of the discussion here is even about the factual stuff since only a tiny majority of the people here have even played the game. The rest is “It’s boring.”, “It’s pretentious”, “It’s cliche”, all opinion.

  • http://orangebandanna.deviantart.com/ OrangeBandanna

    Listen, Spoony, I didn’t watch this video. I was already quite sick of your ranting and bitching about FFXIV that I just don’t really feel in the mood to hear the same thing I’ve heard for the last couple weeks. I’ve researched FFXIV plenty and honestly I think it’s badass. It seems like a nice upgrade from FFXIV, and although it’s boring, it is Final Fantasy. People have bitched about how boring the combat system was in FFXI for the last eight years. While in the last eight years SE has struggled trying to add easier ways to level to make the game more fun so you can get to the higher levels easier, and do more exciting events and fight.. Well, Dragons. But I HAVE TO AGREE. It was as stupid as fuck to show low-level partying and crafting. WHO THE FUCK CARES? It’s not like they do that for the Commercials. They’d never even dare do that for FFXI even though FFXI’s lower levels just sucked for most of it’s years. (Believe me, I’ve been stuck there for ages until recently.) People have claimed that ‘Final Fantasy XI was for hardcore gamers because it was so hard’ Which is bullshit because even if you are a hardcore gamer you sure as hell didn’t enjoy any of that. But that’s getting off subject; FFXIV is NOT a bad game. I very much expect Final Fantasy to live up to it’s name, to be badass, have beautiful graphics, a nice storyline, and a nice environment that oldschool and newschool Final Fantasy lovers alike will love.

    But.. Fuck. I still can’t believe that. They showed fucking low level combat. The hell is wrong with you people?

    • Renaissance_nerd

      if you didn’t watch the video you have no basis for an educated comment about it, you fail

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JTAHPQQYCHG5G2FAJFFVHFU7KM Antoinette Lachney

    dude, there’s a reason that you got blown off twice…..you ARE A JERK….not to mention a whinny nerd baby….GO GET LAID…oh wait, you can’t….that’s why you act like this

  • Renaissance_nerd

    obvious troll is obvious

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JTAHPQQYCHG5G2FAJFFVHFU7KM Antoinette Lachney

    LMAO….omg that’s so original

  • http://twitter.com/Physillis RG

    I think you’re forgetting about the fatigue system good sir.

    If my friend who is a huge FF11 nerd, would rather play that than 14 (which, he was in the beta for, for reference) because of that system alone, pretty sure the game is going to have other flaws as well. Not to mention the fact that that battle looked about as fun as a battle in runescape, regardless of whether it was a crafting class or not.

  • Anonymous

    >Didn’t watch video

    >Reply anyway

    And you call Spoony unfair.

  • http://orangebandanna.deviantart.com/ OrangeBandanna

    >Didn’t read my comment.

    >Complain about how I don’t know anything.

  • Anonymous

    I’m not reading through 200+ comments to see if this was said so far, so excuse me if this is a repeat but I feel I should address the “Note” after the video.

    First let me preface with saying I’m not a FF fanboy…in fact I’ve never even played a FF game. That won’t change with this, especially given how I dislike MMORPGs. However, it’s important to remember that just because a demonstration was bad…which IS a stupid mistake on the part of the company, that doesn’t mean the game itself will be. Other people know more about the game than I do, but really…criticizing a game because the demonstration sucked, and then justifying the initial criticism when people point out it was just a worst-case-scenario demo? C’mon Spoony. As things stand, you don’t really have the tools necessary needed to give a fair and accurate review of the game, so why not just say that instead? Admitting you MIGHT be wrong is nothing to be ashamed of.

    I love ya man, but I think you’re letting some e-fame get to your head lately.

    tl;dr: Poor corporate planning of a demo has no relation to the quality of a game.

  • Renaissance_nerd

    again this video was based on both games selling ability at PAX. nothing more nothing less. crappy Demos alter consumers opinions. if you get a bad impression of something it doesn’t matter how good it actually might be.

    • Anonymous

      Except you’ll note he called the game itself pathetic in the note:

      “None of the other games did that. Final Fantasy 14 is pathetic, and anyone who’s still sticking up for it in the face of all the games I’ve previewed so far is absolutely devoted to fooling themselves.”

      There’s no reason, from what was in the video and posted in the note, to think FF 14 is pathetic…in fact there’s no reason to think anything of it at all. I really know nothing about this game, however if people are apparently saying it IS good, but that SE put on a shit poor show…maybe we should just wait to see some better examples before we wave the entire game off? Spoony usually makes decent commentary with pretty solid logic backing up his criticisms. Here it’s just…”The demo was boring so this game sucks!”, which is a complete opposite to what I’ve come to expect from him. Maybe this game will suck, maybe it’ll be awesome. Shouldn’t we have some decent reasoning behind it before we go making sweeping statements like that?

  • Anonymous

    I gave up forever on Final Fantasy as anything worthwhile after playing XII. I think it shows quite a bit of devotion to the series that I even made it that far. I just can’t tell you how absolutely disappointing that game was. For all its many, many faults, at least X had CHARACTERS and a fucking STORYLINE. Yeah, the characters were annoying and the plot was stupid and cliché, but God damn it, at least they were there and recognizable. XII was boring on a level that not even the Star Wars prequels could reach. Every character, except maybe Balthier, was the exact same person, who had the personality of a sack of clay, and the plot was recycled from… I dunno’… gee, what Square title or other work could I name that has a rebel faction fighting against an evil empire?
    So once I was done with that piece of shit, I just said fuck it. Final Fantasy XIV is coming out? Great. I’m not fucking buying it. Square-Enix can go to hell. They obviously don’t care anymore, so why should I?

  • Anonymous

    What I hate the most is that they waited a whole 2 normal games before they made another MMO.

    For fuck sake. I was waiting so long for FF12. Even though I only sorta liked that one. I dunno. I don’t want any more FFs.

    The scenario writer for FF6 doesn’t write for the games anymore, so I can’t be tricked into caring. Every new release just involves the worst tropes you can find in anime. NO SUBSTANCE. NONE.

  • Anonymous

    Every single thing ive read and seen about FFXIV makes me think Spoony is probably being too kind to it

    it looks like its running for the most boring mmo ever award, almost every pic ive seen outside of trailers looks like the same old boring grass with mountains location, many beta testers have been saying (and posting examples) that the map designers used copy and paste on the maps like crazy and every single fighting video ive watched looks as exciting as the one shown here

    and then Square is pulling a the devs-know-best-card (a card that always ends in a Daikatana sized disaster) and setting up time restrictions to force players to play a certain way, there is really even any interesting feature to defend this game, character models are pretty much all you can give them credit for and several of the other mmos in the horizon look just as good or better (like Tera)

  • Anonymous

    Wow. You know, I hear it’s supposed to be nigh on impossible to play more than one MMO, but I’m really thinking I might give Guild Wars 2 a shot…

    Thanks for the coverage, Spoony!

  • Anonymous

    shut up asshole!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jeremie-Caisse/100000114247204 Jeremie Caisse

    Spoony’s note makes things worst. It really makes it sound like he indeed is complaining about a game he knows nothing about. Y’know, he could have just watched or showed stuff from the actual game he borrows like he did with FF8 in the past.

    It wasn’t bored when I played it. You tend to be pretty rational Spoony but your obvious facade as a FF troll is pretty cheap this time and you can’t be taken seriously when you call people fooling themselves when you talk of crap you decided sucked before the game had a alpha. I do relate with enjoying to make fan of those that are fanatic about the FF series but if you’re serious here, Spoony, then I think its pretty sad that you actually comment on something that makes you sound like someone that post a review on Gamefaqs. You’re better than that and always been. I could accept that you try to make a funny video but here, you sounded dead serious.

    • http://www.facebook.com/Novak83 Ed Novak

      I’m guessing he sounded “dead serious” because he WAS dead serious. Just ’cause you like the game (and god bless you, SOMEONE has to) doesn’t mean everyone else does.

      Did you know that there are geeks who don’t like Firefly? Seriously. They’re out there. Wrap your brain around that one.

  • Anonymous

    Trust me, we’re probably more on the same page than you might think. I think games and movies that are all flash and no substance are a joke, and don’t deserve anyone’s time. FFXIV doesn’t fit into that category. Yes, there are “fanboys” who will buy anything just because it looks “epic”, but there’s still a lot of people who judge the game fairly and if not for the fact that behind the fantastic presentation, lies great gameplay as well, I would not be defending it at all. I’ve had a ton of fun on the beta and love the battle system, the great selection of equipment and the interaction with other players to name just a few good gameplay points. I have a ton of complaints as well, but I think we have enough hate on this game here already despite barely anyone actually fucking playing it, so I will save it for elsewhere.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=704395302 Meagan Kellermann

    Actually when he recommends that you don’t buy the game solely on the way that SE promoted and not on the actual content, I think my points are legitimate. SE did a horrible job, and to be honest that’s the marketing’s fault. In my opinion, since I’ve played 40+ hours so far, I think the game is worth trying.

    I’m requesting a real review of the game. I believe, Spoony should give his opinion on whether you should buy this game or not AFTER he plays for longer than 30 minutes, if that’s even what the people at PAX allowed, though I sorely doubt it. Honestly, I don’t care if he believes its shit after he truly tests it out. I just care that he tests it out and then gives an informed opinion.

    • Renaissance_nerd

      well then i suppose the next logical question is, why should Spoony review the whole product when the DEMO, the enticer, the carrot at the end of the stick didn’t hold his attention or captivate him in any way?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=704395302 Meagan Kellermann

    Ugh, this comment is worthless. Troll.

  • http://twitter.com/BustermanZero Peter Dawson

    I’m just going to point out the giant flaw here: low level combat sucked. See, games have found a way around this. You know City of Heroes, an mmo that came out in like 2004? You start with a set of basic powers, and can use them rapidly enough to really feel like you’re in the thick of it. This is at level 1. A 2004 MMO has better combat than this game, even at low levels. Hell, even Aion avoided this by giving you previews of what combat will be like at higher levels while your lower level powers are still awesome.

    Plus its not just the fact its low-level. Combat itself is still slow as hell.

  • Anonymous

    Damn straight Spoony. I hate when people get behind games just because they are a part of a famous named IP. This game may have Final Fantasy in the title but that doesn’t mean its good. Almost all Asian made MMO’s are boring grindfests an this looks to be no different.

    On the other hand Guild Wars 2 looks like it may very well be the World of Warcraft killer than has been taking its sweet as time coming. The combat looks MUCH better than any other MMO I have ever played. It actually looks interactive. Like I can block an dodge an time an aim my abilities well to inflict maximum damage. It’s about damn time that someone made an MMO that’s more of a game an less of floating numbers bore fest. After Guild Wars 2 I think the bar will finally be raised above WoW an future MMO’s wont be able to get away with the same old borefest gameplay an thank god for that.

    The sad thing is though most people are sheep an are going to be playing Final Fantasy 14 or Star Wars TOR. Just cause they have famous IP names. Hopefully word of mouth though will lead people to what they should really be playing.

  • Anonymous

    Yeah, I really liked Balthier.

    … Imagine if the whole game was as cool as Balthier(!!!)

  • Renaissance_nerd

    his yelling and over the top rhetoric is Shtick and he’ll be the first one to admit it.

    That doesn’t however invalidate his points that i 100% agree with. The DEMO was horrible and that is what he is judging the game by as would anyone else that was there. You people aer all missing the point. The game as a whole could be a hot fudge sundae with win sprinkles but what he saw at PAX sucked which leads him and other consumers to believe the whole game sucks.

    jesus you fanboys are making it too easy

  • http://twitter.com/MonkiesFist Thomas John Wakeman

    I know its not really related to either, but does anyone else feel a little alienated when Spoony gets really furious like that? I know its just an act for comedic effect, but sometimes it really unnerves me. I dunno, maybe its just me. That said, I’ve never been too interested in MMOs, but your interviews and comments on Guild Wars 2 have peaked my rural interest, I may just try it out. Thank You!

  • Renaissance_nerd

    im not counting out SWTOR just yet… number one runner up is certainly GW2

  • http://www.facebook.com/hbentonjr Henry Benton Jr

    So far from what I’ve seen, nothing, and I mean nothing, in FFXIV has impressed me or want me to play the game and the only reason I’m sadly paying any sort of attention to it is because the Final Fantasy name has been slapped on it.

    Guild Wars 2 though has my full attention and I’m really looking forward to seeing more of what they got.

  • Renaissance_nerd

    yes and as i said because of the presentation of the DEMO it caused him to have an opinion of the whole game as most if not all consumers do.

  • Anonymous

    I poured 80+ hours each into FF12 and 13, 30 days into my character in FF11, and still think FF14 is total horseshit. So I believe that says a lot about the people who are actually sticking up for that game.

  • Anonymous

    I’m really getting tired of “People who like this shit must be fanboys” now. I would respond properly but I would just be repeating myself from my previous comments.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=704395302 Meagan Kellermann

    I think you’re missing the points of our comments. We’re asking for a legitimate review. We see his initial thoughts now go show us! The perfect opportunity is out there. OPEN BETA. FREE! Spoony show all of us ‘fan girls/boys’ wrong if you truly believe this. I’m not stomping on your right to dislike this game, I’m asking you to review it properly before you pass judgment.

    I respect Spoony’s opinion and enjoy his humor. That’s why I’ve been daily checker of his site for the last two years. Now go do what you do best and actually test the game before you review it!

  • http://twitter.com/ShinAkumA21 ShinAkumA21

    Guild Wars 2 Looks like it Blow FFXIV a new asshole

  • Anonymous

    Honestly, I love it when he flips out. If you look through the comments, I’ve been defending the game like mad but I was still entertained by Spoony and laughed out loud when he was flipping out over the tutorial. That’s the magic of spoony. Probably why World’s Most Deadliest Warrior (or whatever it’s called…) is my favourite review. He torn that game a new asshole and I almost cried from laughter.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_HRT2W63NZZZGWOPP3SQ3MW3J4A Meow Shi

    Complaining that the combat on a tutorial screen is “slow” is such an ignorant and brain dead comment. It’s SUPPOSED to be slow so you can get a feel for the controls. It’s like entering into a game tutorial and complaining that text keeps telling you what to do.

    Also, morons like Spoony need to get out of the mindset that MMORPGs are supposed to be catering to casual mainstreamers with ADD and everything needs to be “fast-paced” and have “no grinding”. If all you want is action visuals spoon-fed to you without wanting to work for anything then don’t play an MMO. That’s not the point of the genre. Never has been.

  • Renaissance_nerd

    bullshit, im a lvl 10 rank 7 archer and the combat is just the same as it was in the intro.

  • Anonymous

    And as I said, that’s really a poor way to review the game, if you’re getting info on it from others who have seen and experienced more of it than a short demo. Yes, the public makes snap judgments based on first impressions. That’s NOT a good thing. Maybe this demo will hurt sales of FF 14, and maybe rightly so, but there have been plenty of hidden gems that the public didn’t give attention to initially that ended up being really, really good.

    Keep in mind, I’m not saying FF 14 will be a hidden gem, I’m just saying that Spoony’s critique of the GAME when he should simply keep his critique to the DEMO (in other words, not call the game pathetic or dismiss people who anticipate it as delusional, but rather dismiss the marketing at SE while still leaving room for the possibility that the game itself might be quite good).

    It’s not a hard concept, reviewers are supposed to have reason behind their critique, and not just jump to conclusions, as Spoony did here. I’m also disappointed rather than take into account that he could’ve made a mistake, he further attempted to justify it. But hey, that just affects how much I’ll be taking his “reviews” into consideration in the future. I’m aware that he made most of his fame off of bashing the FF series, but at least in the past there was good reason for it.

  • Anonymous

    STOOOOPPPPPP DEFFFENNNDDINNGGGGGGG ITTTTTTTTT.

    AAGGGGGGHHH.

    Would you even defend Final Fantasy Mystic Quest? WOULD YOU? I THINK YOU WOULD.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michael-Borean/100000041163314 Michael Borean

      Nothing wrong with mystic quest. Its kinda like babys first RPG. Hell I’m an expert rpg player and I still go back and hit it up every once in a while, which is more then I can say for 90% of my console games past the snes.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michael-Borean/100000041163314 Michael Borean

      Nothing wrong with mystic quest. Its kinda like babys first RPG. Hell I’m an expert rpg player and I still go back and hit it up every once in a while, which is more then I can say for 90% of my console games past the snes.

  • Anonymous

    You really believe it’s going to change his mind? I have far, FAR more tolerance for Square games than Spoony does, and you can see my venomous review of the open beta several comments down. You really expect him to be kinder? Will that make you any happier when he rips it a new asshole?

  • Renaissance_nerd

    again my question is why should he when the DEMO at PAX, the thing that is supposed to entice and sell the game didn’t impress him in the slightest, why should anyone who was completely unimpressed by the DEMO give the real product a shot? on a hope that maybe it’ll be entertaining?

  • http://twitter.com/Physillis RG

    I for one am pretty cautious about Guild Wars 2. Being one who has owned and played all the expansions and the original game of GW1, I am highly skeptical about almost all of their statements. If they really wanted to do all this, why didn’t they implement any of this in the three additional expansions they had to the original game? Essentially all they’ve compared to as poor qualities and such that they are supposedly changing in GW2 are ALL in their original game to this day. If what they say they are adding is indeed in the game, then great! But I’ll need to see it, I can’t go off of their word alone.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=704395302 Meagan Kellermann

    I’m not asking him to be kinder I’m asking him to give a fair review. I don’t care if he likes it. I want him to do himself justice and review something after playing it. Like I’ve said, I don’t know how many times in the last few minutes. I don’t care if he likes it. I don’t care if he stomps the shit out of it.

    What I do care about is the fact that in every single review I’ve ever seen him do, he’s done the product justice, whether it was a negative or positive review. He hasn’t done the product or himself justice by submitting this video which makes him look so misinformed.

  • http://twitter.com/xxDrCrackbone Matt

    I’m guessing the crux of spoony’s argument is, “If Square doesn’t care, why should I?”

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jeremie-Caisse/100000114247204 Jeremie Caisse

    It is pretty much a fact these days that developers seems to focus on casual gaming and once again, it can be nice when done properly but they seem to take it for granted by making games that are so short that it is unacceptable. Just because people likes games that are open for everyone doesn’t mean they have to be rushed and have minimal content.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michael-Blayney/683346875 Michael Blayney

    I give somewhat less than a quantum of fuck about Final Fantasy 14. Yes, my feelings on the matter defy the laws of physics. Thank you, Squenix, for running a decent series so far into the ground that it’s started sucking in an entirely new dimension.

    I mean, MMORPGs in general suck. Why in the fuck would I want to pay for the pleasure of grinding? That’s like having someone shit on your face for money.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jeremie-Caisse/100000114247204 Jeremie Caisse

    I can’t argue about Firefly, I actually don’t know anything about it. I’m sorry if that makes me sound wierd, haha. I can bear with people disliking a game, I really do. Its just that Spoony is kind of a professional and I just like to expect him to be able to do something in a entertaining fashion and here, I just thought he was going completely nuts without really trying.

  • Anonymous

    Can’t. According to that benchmark test program Square released, my system is far below the minimum required specs. My computer isn’t a hyper-advanced gaming PC or anything – I’m mostly a console gamer. Primarily due to a lack of games(outside of MMOs) on the PC that interest me.

  • Anonymous

    I stopped caring about the FF series a long time ago. I will admit I still enjoy FF9 and some of the others, I never liked 8 either. But yeah, I could care less.
    Guild wars 2 looked amazing. Any chance it’s coming out for consoles?
    My computer sucks!
    Thanks again for your coverage Spoony.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_HRT2W63NZZZGWOPP3SQ3MW3J4A Meow Shi

    “Bullshit” yourself. Anyone who plays the game or even watches a video on youtube knows the combat is not the same as the tutorial screen.

  • Anonymous

    I’ll try to make this as simple as possible.

    The FF XIV demo at PAX was terrible.

    The FF XIV game itself is extremely enjoyable and has tons of the awesome combat and such that Spoony says a game should have. Characters are dodging around, the battles look visceral and brutal, and basically everything Spoony said the game doesn’t have… it DOES have. While he sort of addressed this in his follow-up comments, he then threw it all away by going back to saying “Final Fantasy 14 is pathetic” and then slammed the fans for no good reason.

    When he’s being amusing and taking joking shots at the game and being the usual Spoony persona, that’s fine. When he ripped on FF VIII and FF X, he at least picked on the parts of the game that were genuinely bad and had fun with the remarks. Here, though, it’s like he’s channelling Yahtzee and just going on a foaming-at-the-mouth “FUCK YOU IF YOU LIKE THIS GAME” rant when he hasn’t even really seen anything more than a poorly made demo.

    The demo (both this one and E3’s) sucked. Spoony’s experience with SE at PAX sucked. But the game itself is extremely fun. Is it better than Guild Wars 2? No idea. I haven’t played Guild Wars 2. It looks great, but we’ll have to wait and see if it’s a good game. But FF XIV’s open beta has thus so far been really, really good, and I’m looking forward to the retail release.

    Why did SE choose to show a gathering class fighting the monsters in the tutorial battle? Why are they only showing the super low level content? Why did they do such a bad job with their demo? I have no idea. But it’s not representative of the rest of the game, and Spoony should neither judge the game based on that, nor should he be trash talking the fans of a game he knows virtually nothing about.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=704395302 Meagan Kellermann

    Because he made a assumptions about a game, it’s players, and several of his fans without doing the proper research. Many of the people who are defending this game, or at least the right to give it a proper review are long time Spoony fans (myself included).

    Is it wrong of me to feel jilted and/or insulted when he calls me whiny and pathetic? When he calls a game he hasn’t tried pathetic? He’s a reviewer, and if he wants to be taken seriously he needs to do himself justice. Hate it if he wants, but don’t insult your fan base without logical reason.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jeremie-Caisse/100000114247204 Jeremie Caisse

    If you call me a fanboy then you need to reconsider how to argue with people, no offense but sheesh, I couldn’t care less about FFIX, X, XII and XIII, let alone VII. I can understand the desire to have a interesting first impression but AGAIN, like I said, Square Enix is indeed a bunch of assholes, douchebags and liars since a good while now. I’m not going to judge a game on a trailer, I’m going to judge it when I get to actually play it which I did a bit and to me that was enough for me to assume its going to be at least a fun game.

    Seriously, to call me a SE fanboy is almost offensive, I look down upon them since Star Ocean 3.

  • Anonymous

    Bah, double post. My bad.

  • Anonymous

    Misinformed? If I see a pile of shit I don’t need to stick my nose in it to know I’m going to regret it. Spoony was at least willing to take a tentative whiff.

  • Anonymous

    Probably for the best, as I would imagine they will have ironed out a lot of the problems by then. Admittedly, there are a lot in the beta…

  • Anonymous

    While I’ll agree that SE doesn’t really know how to PR properly it is kinda idiotic to base a tutorial on the overall flow of things. In the standpoint of a casual consumer which is the person you appear to be putting on for this review I would agree that from that look one wouldn’t really understand what the game has to offer.

    You’d be better off seeing more fanmade advertising of the game since they do seem to assign high school dropouts to perform advertising for them judging by the quality of it.

    I’ll agree that the game shouldn’t be coming out this month, it’s as if they want a repeat of what happened with XI and make it another long bumpy road. They would be better off ironing things out til the ps3 release and then having it all come out together along with more content concepts.


    I was watching the rest of the vid to get a better idea of things overall the above is just a quick thought that popped into my head that I may end up repeating in this so here it goes.

    Public Relations, SE sucks at it it’s as simple as they while they attempt to perform WorldWide PR a lot can get lots in translation and organization causing a lot of red tape to occur. Think instead of saying things as to what makes the game good I’ll say what they should be doing and why it should be pushed back. As you saw with the class they used either gatherer or crafter, they fail in the concept that they should be making a unique CS based on the discipline you pick. While war/magic could be the same gatherers and crafters should be different.

    –Gratherers “We’re looking for some shit in the area come get it for us and bring it back the chances of victory rely on you being able to pull it ff”

    –Crafters “We have supplies below deck for you to make more weapon for our fighters be quick in making them before our fighters are left fighting with dull blades”

    This is how they should be doing the tutorials based on the class you pick at the start. Instead they are focusing so much on the aspect of fighting where they claim they want everything to live in unison.

    Another problem that arises in the way loot drops within this current phase, as of now the loot you could obtain from gathering can also be dropped by a majority of mobs that the players can fight almost making gatherers absolete. And also getting into how “engaging” gatherers have it right now, as a person who in close beta got botanist up to 30 I”ll say that it was really dissapointing, the way it stood they almost expect you to use the same damn concept for the whole trek to level cap rather then throw in new concepts or active abilities. As a gatherer the only active abilities you learn are throwing a stone, empowering your stone to stun, finding a node in a direction, and finding a few nodes in your general direction and getting movement speed if they are far away

    To get on the same level as Spoony though there are a lot of things that do irritate me with this game that I wash I could have more control over because they are just going about so many things in the wrong way but i’d still like to get it when it comes out just to see what the game has to hold as a release.

    -Gatherers should have active abilities that can initiate new mini-games and allow you to be able to work on getting a specific item type rather then it all seeming to be random.
    -Gatheres and Crafters should have no way of combating, the stone move was put there just so they could get through the tutorial but there should be no need to have a melee move the concept of these jobs is to act as a support for

    Missions: How they should work
    In XI you have times where you need to obtain certain items, or have something made, or even kill something. In XIV with the suggestion that gatherers/crafters will be on par with the fighting disciplines they should be making the quest work based on the class you are on.

    Are you going to ask a fighter to obtain a moko grass for you to make the whatever it is to ward off an evil presence to fight the beast? No. How it should work is, a gatherer is asked to obtain moko grass, then an alchemist discipline would be given the moko grass to create the ward, then the fighter would be given the ward to use for fighting. There would be an artificial sense through the missions of the discipline relying on each other and it would focus on the strength of each class rather then having all the classes do the same thing.

    ——————–
    The Good:

    You miss the point with the battles, trust me they do get tougher if you go past that and at least hit lv 10, the start is always easy and it’s really dumb to have an opinion based on a tutorial fight where monsters aren’t meant to be aggressive in order to give the player a chance to adjust to things.

    If you continue past it and do guild leves and fight mobs you’ll find the battles to be very engaging and challenging where you’ll slowly start to develop strats on how to handle each beast and the strengths and weaknesses of the discipline you chose.

    Trust me it does get more challenging and engaging but yes there are things that still need to be fixed you should really at least try the open beta for a better analysis over things but even then there are things that I”ll point out that you’ll find troubling.
    -Official torrent updater sucks
    -They lack any common sense when it comes to bandwidth and should overcompensate rather then think of the average
    -There’s that random windows crash but I think they actually fixed that one.
    -hardware mouse (which i don’t see to be a big deal)
    -class quest haven’t been introduced yet or even quest in general, only seem to be main quest line
    -main quest line feels more like a reward for reach every 10 levels then an actual challenge
    -server stability but it’s been fixing up slowly but surely
    -difficulty curve of crafting doesn’t feel as if you can make something for your level
    -making certain gears/weapons take higher levels then the level that can use them
    ex. you could need materials that take a rank 20 to makes, rank 5, rank 7, rank 9 to make and then the rank taht could craft it is a rank 8 to make a rank 3 weapon.
    -gathering has no variety to it and all 3 follow same concept of minigame of hot and cold
    -Battle regimen (team attacks) need a tweak and still feel clunky in execution


    What I like:
    -Guild leves are fun quick paced and allow you to get a lot done in a short time.
    -Crafting while hard at times does feel rewarding upon completing it.
    -The fights are fun past the tutorial
    -Guild Marks open up a variety for the casual that may only have time to level one class allowing them to obtain a higher tier abilities with greater ease then those that may multi class skills.

    —-
    There’s probably more but the game is far from bad, it just needs time to grow, the only problem I see is that they aren’t introducing enough concepts to bring the game to life. It feels more like a core and then a concept to keep you busy while they ad in more.

    Now you may consider me crazy for still wanting to get the CE edition but I guess I’m jut a bit optimisitc that this game will kick ass in the coming months and hope to god they add in concepts for the release. I’ll be extremely dissapointed if the live product is the same as the beta phase now, but I’m optimistic because they did add in a lot from CB to OB mainly being all the regions 5, from the 1 we were stuck with that had areas closed off.

    Sometimes it just seems SE is afraid that other companies will take their ideas and implement them before they have a chance to release their product, while you may knock SE for what it does they do their best to plish shit as much as possible before realize the only problem is when you consider how many variables they have to take into account compared to other companies it can be a bit overwhelming.

    Consider this, how many languages is GW 2 attempting to reach out to, as far as I saw it looks to be english, french and dutch. XIV on the otherhand is attempting to reach out to NA, Europe and Japanese. The only problem is everyone has opinions, seriously if you try to please one market you end up pissing off another market. it’s ballsy to actually try and create a universal world of players each server rather then segregate them.

    Auto-translate is a pretty revolutionary idea for an MMO allowing those to attempt to break the language barrier with basic language to allow teamwork through those who may be of different origins of language.

    In XI I found myself using it at times and you know it’s pretty exciting to actually be able to work together with another on the same goal even though you may not be able to speak the same language. Granted you may meet teh occasional player that is xenophobic for every xenophobe you may find there will be 10 other players of a different language willing to work together.

    When it comes to game work ethics SE is old school, in the olden days when the only way you could really get any sort of info was through some magazine articles. people are spoiled now to know every little bit of detail and as you can see people are influenced by “BETA” as to whether they should buy a product or not.

    Imagine how old games woud be if they were put into beta. let’s beta test auper mario brothers, awh man why teh fuck is mario in midair and I can’t do jack shit, this game sucks I’m not gonna buy it now. You know people would think exactly that if old time games were beta tested but also think about this, games in the past had so little data that even if they did have bugs in the test phase they could easily be fixed, you’re going from an 8 bit to gigabyes of data, do you realize how much more complex the data is, how much more there is to take into account. In the gaming industry the evolution has occured to fast and spoiled people. I enjoy back in the ps2 age that is a perfect graphic set for gaming but now people want more and more and more and more and are never pleased. God forbid you try something different you get bitched about it. God forbid you do the same thing you get bitched for it. No matter what happens there are always going to be those that bitch and there is no way to ever please anyone.

    Sometimes you just have to let developers be and hope for the best and have faith. What would’ve happened if people have input on the old final fantasy games, I don’t think they would be as classic as they are today and people would just feel annoyed that there opinion wasn’t taken to heart.

    I know I’m going off on a tangent now but i think the whole denouncing of XIV is dumb and just a show of being afraid of something new, give it time and if by then it still sucks I”ll take back what I said lol. MMOs grow with time so in the end while the release is important it’s those 6 months of evolution that really flourish in an MMO.
    ——–
    Onto GW2 rq from what I saw, or lack of what I saw..

    You talk about how awesome the combat is, but all I saw in your review were cut scenes and nothing really showing off the battle system. I looked around on youtube to see if I could find anything and upon finsing what I think to be GW2 gameplay to be honest it looks like a WoW clone in terms of the look and feel of the way the battle flows. It looks liek teh same ole maybe unique names and some concepts, but in the end the only thing that draws people in is the fact it’s an interactive world that is free to play aside from the initial purchase.

    I’ll gladly give my input on both within a 6 month period to see how each differs but honestly the GW series never really intrigued me. the first one seemed to be a low pop game where basically every area is instanced and there was no real sense of immersion I watched and even tried playing it but it just felt dull to me.

    As GW2 seem your actions make a dif so basiclaly you character has it’s own unique instance when determining the actions they take in terms of questline so basically it’s seen as this

    Instance 1 (choices 2)
    -Instance 1(A)
    –Instance 1(C)
    –Instance 1(D)
    -Instance 1(B)
    –Instance1 (E)
    –Instance1 (F)

    basically when you choose your actions the game decides how the environment will look and I guess basically anyone can assist you in your instance but each person can follow their own instance storyline plot and choices.

    It looks fun but seems more like a gimmick for re playability with new chars to try different routes and doesn’t really give you the chance to flesh out your character in a living world, basically it feels like a game with a hub and then instances to other areas.
    ——–

    Again if I’ve said it before I”ll say it again if you want a fair review then try the open beta sure there are probs with it but it has room to grow, when comparing XI release to how XIV release looks atm, i’d say that XIV is going to have a better start. This if the the japanese release of XI, it was quite a journey from what I read,

    I apologize if this whole thing seems intangible I’ve been trying to get my thoguhts down while multi-taskinga nd am not really in the mood to rewrite it all.

    Just don’t knock something til it’s out of beta, to amny times things are taken in the context as a release and it hurts it as a whole. i’m really hoping 6 months from now peopel will look back and realize how pessimistic they were about it.

    I”m gonna post this as is but I may post again and actually get my thoughts together better but yea I just see this game having alot of potential and the majority of those who knock it are just afraid of something new and different gameplay wise.

  • Renaissance_nerd

    oh man let me try to explain one more time. This “review” as you call it was about the DEMO at PAX. The DEMO that is selling the product to the consumers at the expo. He made any and all decisions based on the time he spent hands on (or off as this case may be) of the game. So based on those experiences he made the decision to denounce the game as most if not all other consumers would do.

    He may very well review the entire product though i doubt it as i’ve never seen Spoony review an MMO (maybe STO… maybe). but his job was to report on what he saw and felt at PAX and he did that from his personal views, who has seen the game in action at two expos (E3 and PAX). As someone else said Spoony’s point of view is “Square doesn’t care so why should i?” Thats important because not only are you buying a game you are funding the company that makes it,

    i know if a company treats me like crap i’m not buying their products.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michael-Walsh/570455360 Michael Walsh

    Your hatred of Final Fantasy 7 and above is, more or less legendary, but what are your thoughts on Dragon Quest?
    Admittedly, it’s probably late to ask, considering Dragon Quest 9 has been out for a while, but I’m really interested in your thoughts on what is supposed to be the other half of the Square-Enix beast.

  • Renaissance_nerd

    Lightfoot Waru on Besaid server, lets see who bullshits who

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=704395302 Meagan Kellermann

    There is no logical comparison between a video game and a pile of shit. I am not smelling a game and a game honestly has no smell. Your point makes no sense other than the fact that you’re trying to make a witty comparison that holds no water.

  • Anonymous

    “Because he made a assumptions about a game, it’s players, and several of his fans without doing the proper research.”

    QFT. Also, I do hope the criticism hits home. People aren’t complaining because Spoony hates the game. People are complaining because he hates the game without prior research and the fact that the Square-Enix people didn’t come back to him (I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s a memo from the higher ups banning him at this point though, LOL).

  • Anonymous

    “Because he made a assumptions about a game, it’s players, and several of his fans without doing the proper research.”

    QFT. Also, I do hope the criticism hits home. People aren’t complaining because Spoony hates the game. People are complaining because he hates the game without prior research and the fact that the Square-Enix people didn’t come back to him (I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s a memo from the higher ups banning him at this point though, LOL).

  • Anonymous

    Why couldn’t they expand the original game? Because there’s only so much you can do to improve an aging game engine. As for skepticism, that’s only healthy.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=704395302 Meagan Kellermann

    Please let me explain to you that yes I understand your point. Stop beating a dead horse. As I’ve said and will continue to say no matter what his intent was, it FAILED. He passed judgment on this game without actually playing it fully.

    As far as I can see he started out this review completely about how he disliked SE’s PAX presentation, but unfortunately by the end of it he was review the game itself.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WP6PLQ5AP6YIDNH4ND6NA5D5ZQ Scott

    I agree 100% about Final Fantasy XIV. I actually played Final Fantasy XI and it was kind of fun at first but it got really boring, really fast. It looks like the only thing they improved are the graphics, hell the gameplay actually looks even more boring then it did before if that’s even possible. Spoony’s right, this is the demo so you can give it the benefit of the doubt but the demo is supposed to sell the game, and in that regard it’s a complete failure. Square Enix is pathetic for having such a worthless demo. They’re not even trying because they know stupid fanboys will buy anything with Final Fantasy in the title and call it amazing.Personally I don’t like MMOs but I’m actually excited about Guild Wars 2. I’m a bit skeptical but I’m defiantly thinking about getting it when it comes out.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WP6PLQ5AP6YIDNH4ND6NA5D5ZQ Scott

    I agree 100% about Final Fantasy XIV. I actually played Final Fantasy XI and it was kind of fun at first but it got really boring, really fast. It looks like the only thing they improved are the graphics, hell the gameplay actually looks even more boring then it did before if that’s even possible. Spoony’s right, this is the demo so you can give it the benefit of the doubt but the demo is supposed to sell the game, and in that regard it’s a complete failure. Square Enix is pathetic for having such a worthless demo. They’re not even trying because they know stupid fanboys will buy anything with Final Fantasy in the title and call it amazing.Personally I don’t like MMOs but I’m actually excited about Guild Wars 2. I’m a bit skeptical but I’m defiantly thinking about getting it when it comes out.

  • Renaissance_nerd

    his job wasnt to review the game , his job was to report on what he saw at PAX, im sorry your butthurt that your beloved FF14 chokes balls but it does, and guess what? It’s not Spoony’s fault

  • Renaissance_nerd

    oh god fanboys/girls are getting so butthurt,

    way to go Spoony, pissing all over Final Fantasy since 2007

    i can’t stop laughing

  • Anonymous

    Anyone who actually turns to Spoony looking for an objective review, especially for Final Fantasy, is brain dead. It’s obviously his style to tell you what he thinks of the games without worrying about toes tread on, and that’s fine. But guys, it’s pointless to sit here and bitch because of him hating this game. He obviously has issue with a lot of things that Final Fantasy has come to represent, and, despite being a staunch defender of the series, I can see where he’s coming from most of the time. He can’t, nor do I think that if it were to come to it, would he want to force you to change your minds about Final Fantasy. At this point, it’s almost like a running joke that Spoony hates FF fans.

    And to be frank, the FFXIV footage that he posted is DREADFUL. The entire point of a demo is to sell people on the game, and NOBODY can deny that it failed astoundingly at that. If Square wanted Spoony and other non-diehard FF fans’ money (and they do), then they should have put an iota of thought into that demo, and saying Spoony or anyone else is idiotic for thinking that the game looks slow, plodding, and boring: it does. Big time.

    This’d seriously be like you trying to defend your uncle as being a really cool guy while he’s standing there in suspenders while doing his taxes. He could be the most interesting man in the world, but nobody on the outside would know that unless he actually went through the trouble of making his image reflect that. Y’dig?

  • Anonymous

    Wow, so you didn’t even read what I wrote, and felt the need to resort to such…low-level comments. It’s Spoony’s fault when he specifically reviews the game based on a shitty Demo. I’d respond further, but it’s really, really clear you have severe reading comprehension and are such a Spoony fanboy that you can’t take even the slightest bit of constructive criticism for him.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Matthew-Lurton/1839954057 Matthew Lurton

    I’m pretty forgiving on other FF games, like FFX (probably because I have a higher bullshit tolerance, but whatever), but Spoony’s right; this game looks like every third rate WoW clone thats been glutting the market over the past few years with a glossy finish and the FF License stapled on to it. If you really like the FF Franchise, don’t buy FF games that are complete shit, otherwise you’re telling SquEnix you’re a sucker who’ll buy anything with the FF brand name on it. Course, it’s probably too late, isn’t it.

    @Michael Walsh: 7 and above? What are you talking about? Spoony liked VII; he went over what it got right in one of his videos in the FFVIII series. I think he’s stated that FFXII was okay a few times. It’s VIII, X, and XIII he has true vitriol for, as well as the glut of blatant cash-in fanservice games the series has produced.

  • Anonymous

    It’s called a metaphor. Don’t they teach anything in school anymore?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michael-Walsh/570455360 Michael Walsh

    Sorry, 8 and above. And he’s also went on a short rant about 9, although it was mostly about the art style.

  • Renaissance_nerd

    but your missing the big point here, he didn’t review the game. He gave his opinions based on what information he gathered at PAX and at E3. No where did he say “this is my review of FF14″

    and attacking the person not the issue is just plain bad form.

  • Anonymous

    OMFG THAT GW2 TRAILER JUST HANDED ME MY ASS

  • Anonymous

    OMFG THAT GW2 TRAILER JUST HANDED ME MY ASS

  • Anonymous

    OMFG THAT GW2 TRAILER JUST HANDED ME MY ASS

  • Renaissance_nerd

    he “reviewed” it with all the research the average consumer would get had they attended PAX or E3. News flash your average consumer makes assumptions! shocking i know

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/David-Moseley/1409560093 David Moseley

    Well i didn’t wait in line like spoony to play the game. After it crashed about 2 times i was finally able to make my character and then play the game. My friends made characters that threw rocks that did 1 damage to enemies. While i made a character that instant kills them. He’s right about everything though, but i was able to get a ff14 usb out of all of it.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Matthew-Lurton/1839954057 Matthew Lurton

    Yeah, I was gonna include something about I but it felt tangential to what I was getting at. I didn’t get the feeling he thought it was BAD, just that he simply could not get interested in it.

  • Anonymous

    I did some looking about Guild Wars 2 after watching this. I am glad that they are stepping up their game. TOR will be tough to beat, but GW already has a very interested market. The only thing that makes me worry is that I remember talk like this with the “come upon quests” and “impact” before when the Warhammer MMO was getting developed. I hope that GW2 will be more polished

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_HRT2W63NZZZGWOPP3SQ3MW3J4A Meow Shi

    I love how you call anyone who likes the game a “fanboy” then give a subsequently fanboy response yourself.

  • Anonymous

    So when you attacked me by calling me a “butt hurt fan of FF 14″, after I repeatedly mentioned I have no interest in the game OR the franchise, but rather just the reviewer integrity of Spoony…was that hypocrisy?

    He did review the game, Renaissance_nerd. I’ve addressed this numerous times. Calling the game pathetic is a review of the game, however brief unprofessional, and incomplete. He called it a piece of shit GAME numerous times in both the video as well as the note at the end. I don’t see why this is so hard for you to understand. It seems we’re in agreement at least that it would be stupid to review an entire game based on a bad demo, and yet that’s what he did. It’s not a big deal, just something he should correct in the future. I’ve respected and enjoyed Spoony’s comments and criticisms about games when they’re well founded, with significant playtime and thought put into it. Hell, if this game comes out, and sucks as bad as the DEMO, and he reviews it thoroughly like he has past FF games, I’ll be sitting here laughing my ass off and be glad that I have no interest in the series.

    However that wasn’t what happened here, and that’s exactly why I’m disappointed in this review, but moreso in the response that followed it from Spoony. I hope you can see that.

  • Anonymous

    I’m level 11 and a rank 8 archer. Yes, it’s still the same. Seriously, what is the point of using bind on an enemy when they still hit me just as hard from 30 yards away? Trying to line up a puncture on enemies when the spatial recognition in the game is so horrendous is a joke. You’re supposed to constantly refill your quiver when there’s nothing to tell you how many arrows you have left in it? Oh, I also love the times when the game randomly tells me I can’t do that action and won’t even begin to let me know why… though personally I think the mob just bugged out, and then kills me from 100 feet away while I’m trying to disengage it.

    Didn’t you catch when people were saying the combat was crap from leaked videos for a couple months now? LordKat denounced it as a dismal failure the moment the NDA lifted, and he was in closed beta.

  • http://www.BethanyRudisill.com JoyfulBee

    Thanks for the coverage of Guild Wars 2 Spoony, that game looks absolutely amazing! I got shivers watching the demo, I can’t believe that it’s an MMO, the world looks so beautiful. Judging by what the people involved said it sounds like this game is the cure for many of the reasons I’ve never played an MMO, including that I don’t want to commit myself to a monthly fee when I’m really busy so that I feel forced to play even when I don’t really have time, and that all the grinding looks really tedious and boring with way too many simple fetch quests. I’ve always wanted to play a game that really responded to the choices and decisions you made (I can still remember a long while back getting excited over the talk about Fable when they promised something similar), and this game could be it.

    Honestly, it’s been a really long time since I’ve gotten excited about a game, I haven’t bought a game in well over a year, but what you showed of Gears of War 2 really has me psyched!

    I thought it apt how you interrupted the FF video, cause I had already been thinking “Geez this is boring, the character design is nice and all, but this song sucks and there’s nothing exciting going on.” To me it’s almost like FF is taking their loyal audience for granted; they know people who like FF are really devoted and will pick up this game, so they didn’t even bother to make a decent showing at conventions. It makes me sad really, because I really liked FFIX, to see SE being either outright lazy, incompetent, or downright insulting with their lack of effort in making a good demo. I mean, I know that making a demo takes time and effort and surely can be frustrating, but if you’re going to do one, do it right! Don’t just slap some boring shit together that makes the game look really lame, don’t you want to get people excited!?

  • Renaissance_nerd

    yep called tounge in cheek, might want to look that one up

  • Renaissance_nerd

    and i love how i can be on a hill shooting down and the game will tell me i cant because “the target is too far below you”

    THATS THE WHOLE FUCKING POINT I GOT ON THIS HILL!!!!!!

  • Anonymous

    Hey hey… Mystic Quest was fun. :(

  • Anonymous

    I don’t think you understand what “tongue in cheek” means.

    Also, hating a series just to hate a series is even worse than fanboyism.

    And if you think Spoony blindly hates FF in general, you haven’t been at this site very long.

    • Renaissance_nerd

      no Spoony is like me and dearly loves everything from FFVII and back. So no he doesn’t blindly hate Final Fantasy.

      Tongue-in-cheek is the action of poking one’s cheek with the tongue inside the mouth. The phrase can be used as a figure of speech to imply a statement or other production is intended ironically and not to be taken at face value.

      so yes it was very ironic that i was making those comments and i intended it so.

    • Renaissance_nerd

      no Spoony is like me and dearly loves everything from FFVII and back. So no he doesn’t blindly hate Final Fantasy.

      Tongue-in-cheek is the action of poking one’s cheek with the tongue inside the mouth. The phrase can be used as a figure of speech to imply a statement or other production is intended ironically and not to be taken at face value.

      so yes it was very ironic that i was making those comments and i intended it so.

  • Renaissance_nerd

    i don’t remember calling you specifically a butthurt fanboy… but hey if the shoe fits.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Steve-King/613286789 Steve King

    You sure FF14 is out this month. From this video, I would say the gameplay is still in the alpha stages. The PC looked like it had no reaction to hits and the NPC’s looked like they were just doing their standard actions when not in attack.

    GW2 look phenomenal. Never bought GW1 (no idea why I didn’t), but a couple of my friends did say it was pretty good. And that no subscription fee is pretty tempting.

    • Anonymous

      While it might sound lame…

      That video isn’t even remotely representative of what combat looks like in FF XIV. In fact it didn’t even look like the current beta build. Try the open beta.

    • Anonymous

      While it might sound lame…

      That video isn’t even remotely representative of what combat looks like in FF XIV. In fact it didn’t even look like the current beta build. Try the open beta.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Steve-King/613286789 Steve King

    You sure FF14 is out this month. From this video, I would say the gameplay is still in the alpha stages. The PC looked like it had no reaction to hits and the NPC’s looked like they were just doing their standard actions when not in attack.

    GW2 look phenomenal. Never bought GW1 (no idea why I didn’t), but a couple of my friends did say it was pretty good. And that no subscription fee is pretty tempting.

  • Renaissance_nerd

    the NPC’s in that section of the game do just stand there offering no help at all unless you play a non combat class that needs the NPC’s to kill those mobs because you with your rock doing 1 damage per hit hasnt got a prayer.

  • Anonymous

    Yeah, you’ll have to get used to that unfortunatly. There’s way more Spoony fanboys here than FF fanboys. It is his website after all.

  • Anonymous

    Thanks for the update on Guild Wars 2, Spoony. I’ve been on GW for years now and I can’t wait for 2. The trailer was awesome and I like that they were giving out swag like their lives depended on it.

    I haven’t cared for the Final Fantasy series ever so I can’t really comment on that, but it did look incredibly boring, but also disgustingly beautiful.

  • Anonymous

    You don’t? It was like two posts ago.

    “im sorry your butthurt that your beloved FF14 chokes balls”

    And that’s after I mentioned repeatedly how I’ve never even played a FF game, and considered that the game MAY ACTUALLY SUCK, but just expressed my disappointment at the lack professionalism of the review, and lack of humility expressed in his note.

    I hate to say this, but you really are the one coming off like the fanboy here. You just keep repeating that he wasn’t reviewing the game (after numerous examples of how he was) inbetween throwing personal insults and making general troll-like posts. There’s really no need to take you seriously. And hell, I wasn’t posting towards you in the first place. Hopefully Spoony will take notice by the comments he’s getting that his integrity as a reviewer is suffering from this. While it may be good for his hits now, ultimately it’ll result in fewer people tuning in regularly if they can’t depend on a fair commentary.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Matthew-Lurton/1839954057 Matthew Lurton

    I mean, compare the trailers of GW2 and FFXIV. GW2’s is epic and cinematic, and really tells you about what this game is and why you should buy it. FFXIV’s is nothing but shots of scenery and villagers and the occasional Chocobo and Moogle as if to say “Yep, this is FF alright,” and it just drags on and on and on, with this dreadful pop ballad playing over it. Everything about its presentation is lackluster, and Spoony has a point that the whole point of these conventions is to show the highlight reels of the game. And if SquEnix thinks THIS constitutes the most engaging and interesting parts of the FFXIV experience, something is TERRIBLY wrong with this game.

  • Anonymous

    Not fair comparing him to Yahtzee. Yahtzee hates on good games all the time for reasons that don’t satisfy me and I gave up on him a long time ago as a joyless twat. At least when I disagree with Spoony, I can see his side of the argument and respectfully dissent.

    Also I’d love for Square to show someone, somewhere what high level content and what the meat of the game is actually like. I mean supporters of the game keep claiming it’s there. I looked for it for hours on the open beta and never found it, I really don’t believe it exists. It’s a skeleton of a game and they’re intentionally deceiving customers that more exists. Poor demos aren’t because they’re botching them, it’s because they have nothing to work with and have to lie because they need to get as much money back as possible from the initial retail sales.

  • http://www.BethanyRudisill.com JoyfulBee

    I see what you’re saying Meagan, you’d like to see him give the game a full review. But the thing is this video is just one a series of videos covering the content of PAX, and shouldn’t be compared to his normal reviews. He’s not taking every game he saw at PAX and then delving into the demos, though I can see that you’re simply making a request that, if he’s so mad about FFIV, that he should play the demo and give a full review.

    However, giving a full review of it would be quite difficult even just from the demo, because he’d have to play the demo extensively to get a proper feel for the game. If he only played enough to level up just a little, and gave the review, then people could still say it was an unfair review because he hadn’t leveled up high enough to see the cool content.

    Thus, instead of saying the whole game sucks, Spoony is simply giving his opinion on the content that SE has put forward to represent the game at PAX, which apparently is lackluster. Even if it doesn’t do the game justice, I think Spoony did a good job of limiting his reaction to the material presented at PAX (and E3), even if he did express his opinion with a good helping of over the top rage in typical Spoony style.

  • Renaissance_nerd

    but he wasnt putting his integrity on the line , no where did he proclaim he was revewing FF14, you are making an inference and inferences can be wrong. As you clearly are.

    as for the butthurt thing, sorry your offended?

    • Anonymous

      He doesn’t need to claim he’s reviewing a game if he actually does it. You understand this, yes?

      As for the butthurt thing, I’m not offended at all. I just thought your apparent lack of reading comprehension might have led you to your incorrect conclusions. Your incorrect use of “your” simply confirms it.

      • Renaissance_nerd

        once again attacking the person and not the issue. Impressive

        I’m sorry but unless someone or something specifically gives an indication of doing something and you say they are when they very well may not be is called an assumption or at best an inference. Give me one shred of proof that he was professionally reviewing this game.

        and Your, You’re who gives a shit it’s the internet.

      • Renaissance_nerd

        once again attacking the person and not the issue. Impressive

        I’m sorry but unless someone or something specifically gives an indication of doing something and you say they are when they very well may not be is called an assumption or at best an inference. Give me one shred of proof that he was professionally reviewing this game.

        and Your, You’re who gives a shit it’s the internet.

    • Anonymous

      He doesn’t need to claim he’s reviewing a game if he actually does it. You understand this, yes?

      As for the butthurt thing, I’m not offended at all. I just thought your apparent lack of reading comprehension might have led you to your incorrect conclusions. Your incorrect use of “your” simply confirms it.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Patrick-Willett/100000032377835 Patrick Willett

    I have to admit, I kinda liked the FFXIV trailer…but Guild Wars 2 does look much more fun.

    Also, an art style, an environment that I’ve never seen before? I have seen that before, from TONS of games. You are not doing anything new, GW2. At least in regards to the world.

    Last thing, though, Spoony…You love the Guild Wars 2’s combat and how it’s action-packed and fast paced…but you don’t like real time battle systems in the Tales games because you have no control over what you’re doing…despite having to be almost as fast on the fly with this game…yeah, you make perfect sense, Spoony.

    Sorry…still gonna give FFXIV a try. I still have faith…kinda…

  • Renaissance_nerd

    who are you kidding its perfectly representative, go make a crafter/gathereer and tell me combat istn like that.

    hell combat for the combat classes is barely better, at least you do more then 1 damage per hit.

  • Anonymous

    The hell be that song that played at the beginning… It seemed unfitting for a Final Fantasy…

    *unpauses*

    huh… So Noah agrees with that idea… Well, anyho. FF14 news is relatively depressive. I’m personally just keeping an eye out for “Blade and Soul” and “T.E.R.A.”

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Matthew-Lurton/1839954057 Matthew Lurton

    I have to agree with you JB, but its far too late. SquEnix has been milking FF fans for years.

  • Anonymous

    man, even the original Guild Wars had more sense of action and menace during combat and while I did enjoy it for what it was, it was the most basic, cookie cuter design for an MMO you could be with gameplay…and even that seems to blow away Square’s new golden boy. Also, what, they didn’t even let you see Wakfu? I’ve heard some moderately good things about that snail-anime but not even a trailer loop or anything?

  • http://www.facebook.com/tjmac510 Travis McCollum

    Look I’ve been reading these comments for a while now and I am surprised at how angry people are getting. I am not the biggest Square fan in the world but I’ve played a good portion of their games, including all the FF and while I rag on some for being plodding, poorly written, poorly acted (in English AND Japanese) and with questionable design choices, I tend to enjoy them for the most part. Are they my favorite games? No. I personally enjoy other RPGs more than the FF series.

    I say this because I mean it when I say that Final Fantasy 14 is not a good game. When I was at PAX covering the events I was genuinely disappointed with the game. The world, like Noah said, was pretty barren compared to other FFs as well as other games in general. It would have helped Square a lot more if they would have had people like they did with Guild Wars 2, KOTOR, Tera, End of Nations and Rift where designers and employees of the company were playing with them as well. The combat also fell short for me. Yes he was showing one aspect of the game but I played around with different character types and I felt that the combat overall was a little underwhelming. I wouldn’t go as far to say it was “marionettes limp wristing each other” but it was underwhelming. I wasn’t impressed with the game. Could it be good? At this point I don’t think so. And don’t blame it on an early build or anything because there were games in their alpha stages that played better and were more exciting than FF 14 (THAT WERE MMOS by the way)

    What ticked me off the most though besides the game was the nonprofessional way that Square handled different media people. They talked to me but only if I wanted to talk about Wakfu or Kingdom Hearts and even in those it felt like they were trying to talk down to me or that they were just running on answers that were automated. And whenever I tried talking about FF14 (not negatively but just in general) they were very dismissive. And like I mentioned before one of my colleagues was blown off by Square like Spoony was. So it wasn’t because of Spoony’s dislike of the series, they were genuinely not behaving right.

    I know this has gone on long but I really think that the hatred and flaming towards Spoony about FF14 should stop. Just because he doesn’t care for the series doesn’t automatically mean he is going to prematurely judge a game because of the series. He is a professional and he acts professionally. If he doesn’t like something, it’s because he means it from experience not because of previous experiences.

    PS: If you remember he didn’t hate 12 or 13

  • Anonymous

    I agree with Spoony.Square-Enix did not properly organize their FF14 demo presentation, I get that. However, what does that say about them? Why the lack of interest? If they were proud about their intense battle system or their huge, vivid world, they would have shown them, especially because it’s Square-Enix.And honestly, the boring parts seen in the demo WILL be in the game. Every uninteresting design choice. Like he says, denying this is being devoted to fooling oneself.

    • Anonymous

      Maybe they were preparing for this week’s Tokyo Game Show? I’m still more interested at what games the other Japanese developers instead of Square Enix. Especially the Last Guardian,Valkyria Chronicles 3, and maybe they might show more of Atlus’ Catherine game.

    • Anonymous

      Maybe they were preparing for this week’s Tokyo Game Show? I’m still more interested at what games the other Japanese developers instead of Square Enix. Especially the Last Guardian,Valkyria Chronicles 3, and maybe they might show more of Atlus’ Catherine game.

  • Anonymous

    I agree with Spoony.Square-Enix did not properly organize their FF14 demo presentation, I get that. However, what does that say about them? Why the lack of interest? If they were proud about their intense battle system or their huge, vivid world, they would have shown them, especially because it’s Square-Enix.And honestly, the boring parts seen in the demo WILL be in the game. Every uninteresting design choice. Like he says, denying this is being devoted to fooling oneself.

  • Anonymous

    Post a video that is representative then.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FBEFETSM7U7VEEFLMJ3VMJQ4QM Chris

    Even though I have been an avid Final Fantasy (and some what defend FFXIII) I know full well from FFXI that the Final Fantasy series was never meant for MMO

  • http://www.BethanyRudisill.com JoyfulBee

    Totally, Balthier is awesome! I cannot believe how lame the main protagonist is in FFXII. I played some 40 or 50 hours in that game so far (never got around to finishing it, but I rarely do with FF games or a lot of my games for that matter) and I can’t even remember his name, that’s how lame he is. He’s even ugly to boot, his stomach texture looks absolutely bizarre.

    I’ve been devoted to FF, but it seems like they’re just losing their way. FFX2 was such a piece of crap, and they’ve been going downhill since.

  • Anonymous

    So you keep saying I’m attacking the person but not the issue, after you’ve attacked me, ignoring my points how many times now? Oy!

    As far as if he was reviewing it…do you really need everything spelled out for you? Does he need to begin each review with “Hello people, this is a review. Just so you know, in case there was any doubt.”? He specifically called the game shit, and gave a few reasons that were later shown to be more about the demo presentation than the actual game. For someone who makes his living reviewing videogames, that kind of thing was inexcusable. Or rather his initial video wasn’t the bad part, but rather his egotistical response to the fans. Admitting you were wrong is NOT a terrible thing. The game, as I’ve said MANY times, may end up being complete shit, however from this review, anyone looking for actual justification would never know it.

  • Renaissance_nerd

    exactly if he was reviewing anything he was reviewing the demo and how it REFLECTED on the whole game, not the whole game itself, your just obsessed over Spoony reviewing everything he touches, the man can have an opinion that may differ with his formal reviews.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Matthew-Lurton/1839954057 Matthew Lurton

    Didn’t hate 13? He went on like a 50 minute video talking about how boring and dull and nonsensical that game was.

  • Renaissance_nerd

    yes but it was much calmer

  • Anonymous

    Again, he said, and I quote:

    “Final Fantasy 14 is pathetic”

    For someone who apparently hates assumptions, why are you assuming he’s talking just about a DEMO when he’s clearly indicating the game itself is shit, and that anyone who buys it is making a mistake. Hell in the video he says not to buy the game when it comes out, and calls anyone who does “sheep”. That’s pretty black-and-white, even for you.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michael-Borean/100000041163314 Michael Borean

    Did he ever say he didn’t play the full demo? No? THEN STOP MAKING ASSUMPTIONS FOR FUCKS SAKES.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Matthew-Lurton/1839954057 Matthew Lurton

    Having a different name wouldn’t have changed the fact that it is as boring and repetitive as sin.

  • Anonymous

    He explained himself well enough so I can’t fault him, personally.

    There are games like that, something, one detail, pushes you away. For exemple, imagine the greatest game you’ve ever played and love to death. Now, imagine that they decide to use the song you hate the most as the intro song.

    Yeah, that could, theoretically, have pushed you from ever having first played the game, and even then, color the entirety of your perception of this favorite game of yours forever. Of course, you could understand how awesome it is, but never quite get over the horrible opening music. (not exactly similar to Spoony’s situation with FF9, but eh…)

  • Renaissance_nerd

    but again it was based on the DEMO and how it reflected on the whole game. and again he is allowed to have a personal opinion which this must be since he has had no time to my knowledge of actually playing the whole game.

    and his personal opinion is allowed to disagree with whatever formal review he may make.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michael-Borean/100000041163314 Michael Borean

    Which games did Yahtzee hate on exactly that didn’t deserve it?

  • http://www.facebook.com/tjmac510 Travis McCollum

    I’m not seeing the video your talking about. I flipped through his backlog and saw barely any mention of Final Fantasy 13 besides that he liked Final Fantasy 12 and didn’t mind 13 and that he used the release of 13 to springboard his review of a Final Fantasy game he really hated: 10.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michael-Borean/100000041163314 Michael Borean

    As wedge said patching can only take you so far. Eventually the game needs an actual overhaul. World of warcraft could learn something from that.

    And yes, skepticism is a GOOD thing. Especially, ESPECIALLY when something looks good.

  • http://www.facebook.com/tjmac510 Travis McCollum

    yeah i see it now…and I agree with RN (the guy above) he was much calmer and a lot more constructive with his criticism.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michael-Borean/100000041163314 Michael Borean

    Really? Is that actually something that happens in the game? That has to be the funniest thing ever considering that was the staple tactic of an archer in Final Fantasy Tactics.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michael-Borean/100000041163314 Michael Borean

    Squareenix has been a bunch of assholes douchebags and liars since square and enix merged. True story.

  • http://www.facebook.com/tjmac510 Travis McCollum

    I really honestly think they knew that they weren’t putting out there best. That’s why I think the blew some people off or dodged the topic of FF14

  • Anonymous

    You just don’t get it. This comes with the territory of being a reviewer. If he wanted to tweet or whatever that would be one thing. When he puts an entire video online about how a game sucks, and then gets feedback that he’s wrong and CONTINUES TO INSIST a game will be shit off of next to no exposure, it’s not good. I’m sure you’ll understand one day, but when people have certain positions they also have certain related responsibilities that come with the territory. This is an example of that.

  • Renaissance_nerd

    yes it happens, get on anything higher or lower then even ground with your enemy and it wont let you attack with a bow.

  • http://twitter.com/jkjefson Jacob Jefson

    I’m glad you went and got a look at Guild Wars 2 for us. Keep up the good work, we appreciate it.

  • Renaissance_nerd

    an entire video, are you sure about that because i seem to remember another game in the video as well.

    and its his site he can post whatever the fuck he wants and guess what? they don’t have to be reviews in fact many of his video arnt reviews,

    simple fact don’t confuse Preview with Review.

  • Anonymous

    You’re right, I misspoke. He did mention another game as well, though that has nothing to do with our topic at hand, now does it?

    As for it being his site…you’re absolutely right! It IS his site. However if he’s going to be posting reviews like this, it will only hurt his credibility, as is evident by the majority of the response to this video, which in turn incited the note to be added.

    As for confusing preview with review, a preview is just that. Previews don’t make sweeping statements about how a game will suck when it comes out. Reviews do that. Reviews call games pathetic. Previews leave room for improvement by the time of release. I think you’re the one who needs to gain a better understanding of those words, honestly.

  • Renaissance_nerd

    previews dont do that? i can get soem game informer previews and show you where they say this game will suck or not based on it

    • Anonymous

      And in those previews do they state that the game will suck on release, and that only sheep will be buying it? You know, like was said in the video? And in those previews did they actually get to play the game, or just watch a short bit of video like Spoony did? Were the previews using anything to SUPPORT their claims?

      You can’t just ignore…all of that.

    • Anonymous

      And in those previews do they state that the game will suck on release, and that only sheep will be buying it? You know, like was said in the video? And in those previews did they actually get to play the game, or just watch a short bit of video like Spoony did? Were the previews using anything to SUPPORT their claims?

      You can’t just ignore…all of that.

  • Anonymous

    I gave ff14 a good ol try at the request of my more fanboy friends, and after 8 hours of grinding my teeth and rolling my eyes, my teeth shattered and my eyes fell out. Or they would have if I didn’t watch the guild wars 2 E3 coverage first which turned me into a being of pure energy and delight that has no need of teeth or eyes.

  • Renaissance_nerd

    in most video game previews i read they say something like “from the footage we saw” so yes they do the same thing Spoony does though they don’t have the luxury of language Spoony has.

  • Anonymous

    And as to the rest of the points I made? Although to be fair, most videogame previews I’ve seen they’ve actually had the opportunity to play a beta or some demo rather than just watching it.

  • http://warpedtree.blogspot.com/ CornBRED-X

    FF XIV looks like a upgrade to FFXI. I didnt like FFXI cus as you say in this for XIV it was boring. Way to much grinding in that game and I couldnt get into it.

    Guild Wars 2 I will only be interested in when someone tells me its a real MMO this time and not a fancy matchmaking system. Yes GW has already strived to tell a decent story and make the player seem th efocal point. However they sacrifice the MMO part to do so. I am ok with GW as a game, but its not an MMO. Its a multiplayer game with a decent matchmaking system (cus you can find ppl you wanna play with by talking to them and meeting them in towns) but you cant walk around the world and meet people or see other people adventuring. Thats not massive, thats just MRPG (multiplayer role playing game).

    I also wasnt a fan of the limited abilities thing in GW, but thats only a nit pick from me as I know alot of ppl like that and I cant fault them for it, it was just something I personally did not enjoy.

    Anyway, im sure GW2 will be an improvement over GW and knowing GW I am sure it will be a decent game. Unless I can come upon another player in the world, though, its not an MMO. Just sayin’.

    I am looking forward to seeing how it is though.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Juliana-Todorova/1631631126 Juliana Todorova

      This time around you would be able to explore the persistent world and meet players as you do so.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Juliana-Todorova/1631631126 Juliana Todorova

      This time around you would be able to explore the persistent world and meet players as you do so.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Matthew-Lurton/1839954057 Matthew Lurton

    Name one redeeming quality about the game Spoony brought up in his review. He said it was so dull and plodding and unengaging that he couldn’t make it past the 5 hour mark.

  • Renaissance_nerd

    someone brought up a good point earlier, with all this choice GW2 is supposedly giving us it can only mean one thing, heavy instancing. you will live in the instance with everyone else that made the same decisions as you did… donno if i like that.

  • Anonymous

    Blizz is already well underway on making a new MMO, they don’t need to learn a lesson there. An actual overhaul is poor business sense. As long as you’re spending that much money on the incredibly expensive to produce art and creating a new game engine, you might as well be making an entirely new game. Merely expanding WoW makes business sense because you can reuse so much of the existing game. It costs less than producing an entirely new MMO and keeps the subscriptions coming.

    In the case of Guild Wars, Eye of the North expansion was already one more than was planned because the demand was still there. Likely the game isn’t going strong enough still to warrant yet another expansion, so it was time to move on.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Juliana-Todorova/1631631126 Juliana Todorova

    Actually you are completely wrong. :) The only instanced parts are your home instance and some dungeons. Everything else is a whole persistent world.

  • Anonymous

    hahaha your interrupting of the Final Fantasy online trailer was hilarious! XD

  • Anonymous

    Well it was after I already got quite bored of him, but his Monster Hunter 3 review was particularly pathetic. It was largely hyperbole and he focused his vitriol on aspects of the game that are both largely optional, and only represent maybe 10% of the game’s content. He never even touched the meat of the game before dismissing it. It’d be like dismissing Fallout 3 in its entirety because role playing as a child didn’t interest you.

  • Renaissance_nerd

    seriously? how the hell can they manage that?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jimmy-TheFish/100000139595167 Jimmy TheFish

    I havent botthered to look at Final Fantasy since the awful ff10 2. What a POS

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1163434248 Michael Moore

    only the story mode, the world is persistent for everyone. They have WvWvW thats 3 servers vs each other at one time. So, you will see alot of people around.

  • Anonymous

    Well you certainly put it fairly eloquently as to why GW1 isn’t a MMO. Someone below bashed GW1 as a cookie cutter MMO and my mind imploded and left me at a loss for words.

  • http://www.facebook.com/borkzz J.R. Skrobarcek

    No the PVE content is not instanced. Guild Wars 1 was a CORPG, but Guild Wars 2 is a full on MMORPG. There is instancing for dungeons and for the players personal story, but the rest of the world is persistent. You should probably do a little research before making assumptions and making an ass of yourself.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Juliana-Todorova/1631631126 Juliana Todorova

    Well I don’t think I’d be able to explain it properly, but you have 2 different parts of the PvE game. The one is the persistent world with all the events going on around that you participate in with other players (some people find them a bit similar to the Public Quests in Warhammer online) and the other part is your personal story. Your personal story is the instanced part (you can invite other people with you though) whereas the dynamic events are different chains that go around in the open world all the time and everyone can take part in them without griefing other players. The good part is that you can choose when to do stuff and what you feel like doing. So from what I gathered you can just go around the world and take part in events or just do your personal story when you don’t want to have other people around you. Of course there are tons of other activities as well in the open world, such as minigames in the cities, the World versus World PvP and the organized PvP and probably tons of other stuff that I’m forgetting about/Anet haven’t mentioned yet.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Juliana-Todorova/1631631126 Juliana Todorova

    Well I don’t think I’d be able to explain it properly, but you have 2 different parts of the PvE game. The one is the persistent world with all the events going on around that you participate in with other players (some people find them a bit similar to the Public Quests in Warhammer online) and the other part is your personal story. Your personal story is the instanced part (you can invite other people with you though) whereas the dynamic events are different chains that go around in the open world all the time and everyone can take part in them without griefing other players. The good part is that you can choose when to do stuff and what you feel like doing. So from what I gathered you can just go around the world and take part in events or just do your personal story when you don’t want to have other people around you. Of course there are tons of other activities as well in the open world, such as minigames in the cities, the World versus World PvP and the organized PvP and probably tons of other stuff that I’m forgetting about/Anet haven’t mentioned yet.

  • Anonymous

    I can’t comment on FF 14 or FF 11 since I haven’t played either, but they don’t look terribly interesting to me and between this and the treatment LordKat received it does seem like SquareEnix has serious PR problems.

    Guild Wars 2 does look fantastic though. If what they say is true they have addressed everything I dislike about MMOs. When I DM, I try to make objectives and villains themed around the different player characters so that they feel like heroes in an epic story instead of tourists, and it sounds like Guild Wars 2 has the same idea. I may actually have to check it out.

  • http://www.droppingpenny.de DP_Albert

    They didn’t show Deus Ex 3 Properly? Does not compute!!!!!!!!

  • Anonymous

    Good points about the demo. Think back to the Final Fantasy VIII demo that featured the entire attack on Dollet sequence, what some might argue is the best part of the entire game. From the look of things, SquareEnix really didn’t seem to care about attracting new fans with the FF XIV demo because they new they already had a solid fan base.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jeremie-Caisse/100000114247204 Jeremie Caisse

    I don’t know much about their history unfortunately but I have absolutely no problem in believing this, I realized it as soon as their claim of having FFXIV for PS3 at the same time than PC was changed.

  • Anonymous

    [edit]Whoops, sorry, double post.

  • Anonymous

    Because server bandwidth doesn’t cost nearly as much as you’re led to believe by other MMOs. They don’t bother to correct this notion, so they can continue pocketing your subscription fee every month.

    This has to be the most persistent, and false, myth about GW2, that “it can’t really be persistent, there’s no monthly fee!” This is followed shortly thereafter by “well if there’s no monthly fee and it is persistent, it must be a generic Korean grinder with a cash shop selling XP scrolls,” which is just as false.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_HSEACCFYLKCRHZZEZ76SLKQ3SA Graal

    I have only one thing so say in regards to FFXIV. I don’t like, nor do I promote FF MMOs, and I understand that you state that the game is stupid and boring looking. I concur, but I do say that they got one thing right: the song during the trailer is quite good. That’s really it, and even that’s flawed because it’s too long. All I’ll say about FFXIV. Guild Wars, however, makes me sad. Not because it looks bad, but because I’ve not yet played it. I am ashamed. I do wonder, however, just how immersive the world is? Say, for example, you choose to kill someone. Will their brother seek vengence? How deep is it? They say it’s amazingly deep, well that’s what I call amazing. Also, they lose the grind. Personally, I love the grind. It may be boring at times, but the combat is always the only thing my character’s good at, so it’s when I get to use all my cool abilities. So I hope it’s more like they make it not necessary, and less that it isn’t there.

  • Renaissance_nerd

    its not the cost i care about how can they make it a persistent world if they are giving you so many choices that effect the game world? not everyone is going to make the same decisions

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Juliana-Todorova/1631631126 Juliana Todorova

      The choices that affect the world in a permanent way are those in your personal story. So they are the ones in the instanced part. The effects of your actions in the persistent world also affect it, but not in a permanent way. If you fail in an event a certain village may get burned down and the NPCs there will get killed. If the players attempt to rescue the village they may chase off the assailants and the village will be then rebuild by the NPCs. However if the players decide to not do anything about the situation it will stay burned down until someone does something about it. I hope this clarifies it a bit.

      • Renaissance_nerd

        kind of i guess ill have to see it in action to fully understand.

  • Anonymous

    tch another problem square might want to deal with is the huge ass graphics requirements 14 apparently needs. my friend has the most recent hp desktop computer and he tried playing the beta the main complaint i got back was the ui and how choppy it was because his computer could not handle the graphics. so either he did something wrong or these people didnt think about the fact that not everyone is running a computer with the processing and graphic power of a ps3. but as disappointed as i usually am with square i am still hopeful for deus ex and final fantasy versus 13 which some people are already calling the true final fantasy 13.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Nic-Mapes/100000500981605 Nic Mapes

    I generally don’t buy PC games because I always end up having to mess with tons of shit to get it to work, and sometimes it may not work, and sometimes it may work but with a bunch of other problems. Probably because my computer is ass. Either way, you’ve actually hyped me for Guild Wars 2.

    The fact that this has no monthly fees is just awesome, and the way everything changes because of all the players actions is amazing. I’m probably going to have to get this. I just hope I can run it …

  • http://www.youtube.com/deathwing107 deathwing107

    I’m wondering, is Guild Wars 2 going to be built to support a casual, solo experience if need be? That’s what detracted me from the first game and inherently attracted me to what World of Warcraft has become today. If this one thing were addressed I’d consider buying it, as it does look great… if not, I’m passing on it.

    And I don’t care and never cared about a Final Fantasy MMO in any form. Neither 11 nor this one. The only thing I care about in the FF universe is Versus XIII at the moment.

  • http://twitter.com/Doomknight66 Matthew Barr

    three things

    1)I doubt guild wars 3 will revolutionize anything PvE wise, since all I have seen of it is tank and spank, and nothing in guild wars or it’s many expansions seemed all impressive when compared to modern wow raids(i could be compleatly wrong since it has’nt even been beta, so don’t wan to hear BAWWWing)
    2)as long they keep there pvp as well done as they did in the first one, they should be fine( I always saw it as THE pvp mmo, WoW had nothing on it’s pvp)
    3) Will it still install a damn rootkit? if not i might buy it.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Juliana-Todorova/1631631126 Juliana Todorova

    You will have tons of monsters to fight if you want. You just wouldn’t need to do it because of drops/experience or some other trivial reason but because you actually want to.

    About how deep the personal story is – I don’t really know but you wont be able to become a villain. However there will be different paths in your personal story based on your choices.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_HSEACCFYLKCRHZZEZ76SLKQ3SA Graal

      I wasn’t meaning some random villager, I meant, like, say I kill a boss who has a younger brother or something. Will that younger brother start hunting me down? That sort of thing. I should mention that I have not ever played Guild Wars, and hadn’t even heard about it until this review. But I want that game so bad right now I can taste it (mmm… lemon…). Also, more of Final Fantasy. I am a Final Fantasy Fanboy, since the NES. However, Final Fantasy and MMO do not mix. Ever. I stopped paying too much attention to Final Fantasy when XI came out, XII was an MMO-styled single-player game, and XIII… I can’t play it. I don’t have a PS3, so I’m screwed there, but I don’t like the combat system. I think the series can still be good, but Squaresoft needs to lace up their boots and stop giving in the the Enix assholes. Final Fantasy IV is (in my opinion) the greatest game ever made, even now. I own a copy of it for every platform it has ever been released for, and play them constantly. It wasn’t until Final Fantasy VIII that I started being disappointed, and even that was fun for a while. IX is actually good, although a bit confusing at times, then came X… I like some bits, and hate others, so I’ll say it’s just okay. Oh, and on the subject of FFX, KEEP REVIEWING IT! THOSE REVIEWS ARE HILARIOUS!

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_HSEACCFYLKCRHZZEZ76SLKQ3SA Graal

      I wasn’t meaning some random villager, I meant, like, say I kill a boss who has a younger brother or something. Will that younger brother start hunting me down? That sort of thing. I should mention that I have not ever played Guild Wars, and hadn’t even heard about it until this review. But I want that game so bad right now I can taste it (mmm… lemon…). Also, more of Final Fantasy. I am a Final Fantasy Fanboy, since the NES. However, Final Fantasy and MMO do not mix. Ever. I stopped paying too much attention to Final Fantasy when XI came out, XII was an MMO-styled single-player game, and XIII… I can’t play it. I don’t have a PS3, so I’m screwed there, but I don’t like the combat system. I think the series can still be good, but Squaresoft needs to lace up their boots and stop giving in the the Enix assholes. Final Fantasy IV is (in my opinion) the greatest game ever made, even now. I own a copy of it for every platform it has ever been released for, and play them constantly. It wasn’t until Final Fantasy VIII that I started being disappointed, and even that was fun for a while. IX is actually good, although a bit confusing at times, then came X… I like some bits, and hate others, so I’ll say it’s just okay. Oh, and on the subject of FFX, KEEP REVIEWING IT! THOSE REVIEWS ARE HILARIOUS!

  • Anonymous

    I want to like FF14 and be all excited abou it, I really, do, but 11… Gah. 11 was about as fun as setting my pubes on fire and watching them burn, one at a time.

    GW2 on the other hand, looks very nice here. I skipped the first one, because at the time I was burnt out on the fantasy setting. I might give this one a look, if I can afford the initial investment. Lean times, right now.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Juliana-Todorova/1631631126 Juliana Todorova

    In GW2 you don’t need to group with anyone if you don’t want to. (although instanced dungeons may prove rather hard to do by yourself) However there will be other players in the persistent part of the world that may take part in the same events you’re participating in. That shouldn’t be too bothersome imo.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michael-Thompson/520675414 Michael Thompson

    I tried to get into FFIV with the beta, but my comp sucks. Ah well. I’ve been hearing all over it’s not that good.

  • Anonymous

    That FF14 combat looked dull as fuck, even the combat in WoW is livelier than that. And SE can go fuck themselves, just in general I don’t like them.

    As for Guild Wars 2…well, I wasn’t interested at all before but now I’m somewhat intrigued. Still, the one MMO I’m actually looking forward to is The Old Republic, but subscription fees will probably keep me from playing it.

  • http://twitter.com/jleack Jonathan Leack

    This is a pretty hateful video. I have spent well over a dozen hours in the FFXIV beta and while it has quirks, it’s INCREDIBLY fun. WoW is getting old and Cataclysm is just the same ol’ hunk of dogmeat. FFXIV is shaping up to be arguably the best MMO until Guild Wars 2.

  • Anonymous

    I’ll second this, and reiterate that there’s a difference between permanence (what you’ll see with your personal storyline) and persistence (what you see in the main world0. In your storyline, if you let a friend die, he stays dead, permanently. In a dynamic event in the open world, if you let a village burn to the ground, it’ll stay burned to the ground until you help fix it (or help the NPCs fix it). Further, events affect each other, they chain together across an area. When one event ends, another often begins.

    Lastly, I think you’re confused on another point about personal storylines: you’ll be able to invite anyone along with you to play a personal storyline mission, but it won’t affect their stories in any way (unless they have made all of the same choices as you). They’ll get a hefty reward for helping, but not progress in their own story at all. So, joining up in someone else’s story is really more about sight-seeing all of the different branching paths that you “might have” taken. The main area that your personal storyline decisions directly affect is your home instance in your racial capital, which is a big (couple city blocks) area that’s entirely instanced to show what impact you’ve had on your home. You can invite other people to take a look if you want, but other than that no one will ever see it except you. NPC interactions out in the persistent world will also be colored by your personality (ferocious, noble, charming, or a mix thereof). Ferocious characters can end conversations by punching NPCs in the face, for instance.

  • Anonymous

    I’m SO gonna buy GW2. As for FF XIV – wasn’t gonna care for it anyway.

  • Anonymous

    Well, there’s no dedicated healing class, at all, and there’s also no dedicated “tank”, so it’d be pretty darn hard to do traditional “tank and spank”. Healing and tanking are being replaced entirely by support and control as archetypes. Further, every class can do a little of everything (some better than others) in their own way. So…yeah, it’s completely different.

    If you’re looking for big raids, you’re going to need to adjust your expectations. The huge boss fights will apparently be handled in the open world (search for videos of The Shatterer from the demo: huge-ass dragon taking on 60 people at once in a persistent area). The organized dungeons, on the other hand, will be capped at 5 people, which is incredibly awesome for anyone who prefers small guilds or groups of friends over the enormous and stressful elite raiding scene that endgame raids normally require.

    Also: rootkit? I have no idea what you’re talking about. There’s absolutely no rootkit in GW1.

    Last thing: GW2 is coming out, not 3. Let’s not be hasty ;)

  • Anonymous

    Trailers are very good – as GW2 one was action packet and in game footage (Or looks like it) FF has more visual trailer – that’s nice to watch.
    As for games – it’s sad that FF with action that takes place about my favorite time in FF time-line, is just good looking. As for GW2 – it will be it or SW:TOR that will hopefully give me good story to dive into.

  • Anonymous

    No subscription fees, dear god yes.

    That’s basically the one reason I picked up the first Guild Wars. I could never get into MMOs before because I didn’t want to pay the damn fees.

    The game itself was… okay. It didn’t feel all that unique or interesting and I got bored with it after a couple months.

    It looks like the sequels doing a lot more to differentiate itself from the pack and offer something a bit more original. I’ll probably check it out.

  • TOYBOXX

    After what I heard about the fatigue system that Square Enix is trying to implement onto FFXIV, I knew right then that the idea wasn’t going to work. Hell, I’ll go even further by saying that the game will be a commercial flop by the end of next year. To put it simply, there are far better MMO’s out there than to put up with this shit Squenix is trying to sell.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jeremie-Caisse/100000114247204 Jeremie Caisse

    Note: Most of the things mentioned here are things that concerns me about Guild Wars 2 & FFXIV. In short, I’m nitpicking both games.

    Guild Wars 2
    ———————-

    Some people doesn’t seem to understand that most big name MMORPGs has a monthly fee and it baffles me that people see “no fee” for some others as a valid reason to make the game more appealing. Look at all those washed-up, rotten and lazy korean MMORPGs with a free fee. It just attracts the kiddies that spam chat and ruin community in some aspects although its not always true. However, if you look at Maple Story, you have a good example of what hell in a MMO is.

    Guild Wars 2 will need a severe skill setting change from the original otherwise it’ll be boring seeing how you in the original you could set up skills early and still use them at the cap level and be just as efficient as it was earlier. Also, I hear a lot of stuff being instanced and I hope the “world map” won’t be like in the original. Its not fun being forced to wait a while to find a party to reach the next point and that’s even if there’s a good party system. One of my biggest gripe with most MMO’s is the enemy detection system which I still think FFXI did the best as far as I saw so far with the enemies detecting by sight, sound, smell and others. Its more fun to have the ability to sneak past enemies then passing behind a enemy and get spotted immediately due to the fact your level is lower but I admit that this is a minor issue since I assume Guild Wars 2 world won’t be much vast.

    Also, if with story based missions in Guild Wars 2, I better not see this instant “everyone dies because we failed a objective that can’t be fixed” BS. I don’t mind that you need to start over but the fact that everyone dies because of this is complete rubbish. The game seems to have pretty good graphics although its the last thing I care about but when graphics are that nauseating cartoonish look like WoW has, its horrible so I’m glad that Guild Wars 2 looks more refined.

    Final Fantasy XIV
    —————————-

    The graphics are stunning, in fact, they may be the prettiest I seen in a MMORPG yet but it then brings me to the fact that the requirements to play it on PC are a pain in the butt. Its both a minor and major issue in my opinion especially since the PS3 version has been postponed all the way to March and there’s nothing to garantee that it won’t be postponed even later. Also, if they do indeed implement a time limit like it was mentioned before, this will literally kill the game in more than one way due to the fact that it might as well be a damn browser game. You know, those lame games that are everywhere these days and offers nothing special… Like Legends Of Zork which is a insult to the Zork legacy.

    I admit I am hoping for the same monster detection system but I’ll survive if its not here anymore just like I do with every single other MMORPGs. The soundtrack in FFXI is one of the best soundtrack coming from a video game ever and yes this is my opinion but I have extremely high expectation with FFXIV. Its hard to tell which kind of fighting system FFXIV is like but my initial impression is that it reminded me of City Of Heroes/Villains in a few ways and its my opinion that CoH/CoV is/was one of the best MMORPG of its time.

    Ah right… Yeah, no male miqo’te and female… whatever its called (Roedayn or something like that) eh? Yeah, well fuck you Square Enix, I can’t count how many times how people has been hoping this to show up and congratulation on not giving any new races. Yeah its nice that you want to make things familiar for the FFXI gamers but when you don’t even bother to add something new, what a bunch of crap. Sure you have two alternate version for each races but I haven’t see much difference between them yet except skin color and other minor appearance changes. I assume some stats are different but I can’t tell yet.

    The game is being rushed and while it will be refined and improved as time passes by, I think they could have waited a little longer seeing how it still has bugs and issues according to the last reports and information I seen. However, WoW is still up after all these years and it still has blatant glitch that dates since Beta so while I blast Square Enix, Blizzard has some major issues but I’m getting off-topic.

  • Anonymous

    When you hold Final Fantasy Online agains Guild wars 2 you have to wonder if FF14 is really trying.
    Before you killed it I was so bored with the trailer I was wondering if I could fast forward through it. The only thing you said it had going for it was the art and graphics. Thing is from an art direction I thought it was crap. Bland featureless faces with no shadows, jaw lines or detail of any kind. Hell there’s barely even a texturised skin on some of those things. You can gat away with that in a manga, sometimes, but not here, not a cutting edge game. Then you showed the fighting, pure Final Fantasy turn based nonsense. The monsters were just floating there waiting to be hit, and as for the player’s character, I’ve seen more animation in week old dead birds. They just stood there and threw some badly defined thing at them.
    Then you showed Guild Wars 2 and my jaw was dislocated. The textures, lighting and movement all blew FF14 away so fast I’m not surprised it made you repress the terminal boredom. This is how an MMORPG should look, a grand world where things happen. The clincher for me has to be no monthly fees, forking hundreds over a year for nothing but a pointless grinding system is whats going to kill Warcraft eventually.
    I just hope FF14 is draged down with it

  • http://www.senshuu.com senshuu

    In summation: “SE was mean to me. The FFXIV intro/tutorial fight was really, really boring. The Guild Wars people gave me stuff. There’s lots of action in Guild Wars 2.” The power of PR!

  • Renaissance_nerd

    4 quests per class per day, well fuck you square i don’t want to play every class i want to consentraet on one and get it to max level

  • Renaissance_nerd

    wait till the thrill wears off, see if you change your tune then, and you will

  • Anonymous

    GW2 is an open world not instanced. This isn’t GW1. Take everything you know about Guild Wars and throw it out the window. This is a completely different game not an add on. Where do you get your info about the new game from? A cereal box? WoW has grown old and stale. Their subscriptions have dropped tremendously over the past few years. There’s a reason why so many of their campaigns they run are targeted at getting you to revive old wow players and get your friends to join the game. WoW reached it’s peak after burning crusade. They made too many adjustments to the game and really took away a lot of the things that made the game fun. Don’t believe the hype most of the accounts they claim are inactive. I played on one of the most populated realms and it’s a ghost town. Anyone that plays the game can tell you that Warcraft has been dying. Every time a new MMO comes out Warcraft losses big. They lost a lot of people to Aion and Lord of the Rings mostly. If you played WoW than you know there are A LOT of people who are tired and bored of the game. There’s only so many times you can do the same dungeons and raids. The end game content is ridiculous and people have just had enough. People are tired o Arena’s, unbalanced classes, redundant battlegrounds,repetitive quest line, the gear grind, and raid grind etc. etc. You can read enough about this on the wow forums or anywhere on the net you don’t need me to reiterate it.

    Aside from a few hardcore groups most people that play the game to that level of devotion won’t get to the end game and the grind to get there also turned long time people away that got burnt out doing it the burning crusade era. Every new expansion just makes the game more complicated and a lot of people don’t like that which is why they end up leaving the game and looking for something else. Cataclysm isn’t going to overhaul wow. It’s just a redesign of the zones and maps everyone has been through already. It’s just lazy on their behalf and an excuse not to add any real content. They know people are tired of roaming the same world so they decided to just repaint or reskin it. Whoop dee dooo! The sad truth is that WoW can’t change it’s formula. There’s only so much they can do or add to the game within their means of operation. The game is always going to be a mixture of the old worlds mish-mashed with new concepts and ideas. “The more things change the more they remain the same.” and that’s exactly what happened to this game. They throw in some interactive quest and some new cenamatics and

  • Anonymous

    See, that’s why I refused to even quirk an eyebrow at FFXI. Pay. To. Play. For some of the worst offenders, after a few months, you’ve shelled out enough money to equal a monthly car payment. After a year, you’d made several car payments. And that’s just to play an online game guaranteed to get swamped with jackasses, twats and other shoe scrapings. Then you get game developers who figure they’re going to ride on the popularity of a series title, so hey, a corner shaved off here, a little more there, and suddenly what MIGHT have been a game worth a few ducats to at least try… SUCKS! Not to mention these games literally DEMAND that you have the highest internet connection available on the market just to keep your game from lagging while roaming crowded areas with all sorts of graphics of each individual other player trying to load on your screen as you jog down the street. And if your computer is older than three years? Tough titty. Go shell out money for a better video card, memory, hard drive… basically just buy a whole new computer just to support the damn thing.

    Guild Wars 2 gets mega points for their presentation, so it may be worth putting out that effort to play, especially since (OMG) you pay ONCE to play a game. You know, like a GAME, rather than eternal cha-ching every month. See you go out and buy a game like Kingdom Hearts: you buy it off the shelf, and you play it. If you stop playing for months or even a year at a stretch, you can still come back, pop the game in and play it. No additional fees necessary. Perhaps I will invest in GW2, because damn that’s dragging me out of my cantankerous old woman with the closed wallet mentality that I’ve maintained in regards to ALL MMORPGs.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mattias-Granlund/100000618693819 Mattias Granlund

    ah yes guild wars 2 Skaaj+guns= Awesome oh and the big toping of cream ontop of this sweet cake? No montly fee

    btw did anyone else notice the guy with the traffic cone hat sneaking in the background at about 8:32

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_VD6H4DZMFDSY66X6HBX2QRMNUE Stephen

    ok, this is coming from a player of World of Warcraft since before its expansions. when i saw the trailer for Guild Wars 2, along with Spoony’s reaction to it, I was STUNNED! The gameplay sounds incredible, the visuals are spectacular, and the develepors sound like they know what they’re doing, care about their gamers, and are putting a LOT of effort in this game. I have never, EVER been this suddenly excited about a video game in a VERY long time. Watching this video only got me more and more hyped, and when I saw that dragon at the end of the trailer, I thought, “Holy shit, I want to fight it. I want to fight that dragon in this game, even more than fighting Deathwing in Cataclysm. Deathwing can fuck his Cataclysm with an iron murloc, I WANT TO PLAY THIS GAME!!!”

    Oh, and FFXIV looks terrible. Thanks, Square.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_7HC6ISNWI65Q67CYR2C4622FBE bleeb

    My god you’re annoying

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Tyrone-Salters/100000536336295 Tyrone Salters

    You know, I was gonna buy FF14:
    Admittedly I played FF11 as my first MMO, seeing that I called all of them a grand waste of time, and anyone that had you pay a monthly fee was worse. However I can’t bash something till I try it and the only other option was Ever-crack (WoW wasn’t out yet) So I tried it and as a game, it sucked…a lot. You can’t do anything solo after lvl 10 and as you go higher up some of the players are jackasses. However I kept going only cause I got into a really fun, really good guild(linkshell), really early (as in was gonna cancel my account before the free demo ended early). But like all guilds it came to an end and shortly thereafter me playing the game on a regular basis. So I hear than FF14 is gonna be another MMO and S.E. has learned its lessons from FF11. I couldn’t get on the beta testing but I heard from classmates that it was really good plus it was made for people who didn’t have countless hours playing an MMO cause of something called a real life so after getting some more MMOs under my belt I was ready to go in not as an MMO rookie but as someone who still likes the idea of riding on a giant chicken……
    Then I saw the show at E-3…lame
    Then I saw the demos at PAX…lame
    Then as I final swift kick in the balls…..
    You can only earn max exp points on one class for 8 hrs a week after that the amount you earn per fight/craft grows less and less…..
    A game of which would require me to pay a monthly fee for….is limiting how I play
    Like I noted, I don’t have hours upon hours to drain into an MMO anymore, but damn man, I played Free to Play MMOs that don’t cut you off like that, (OK the cut off (as in earn 0 exp no matter what you kill) is 16hr a week per class but still).
    Most games reward you for resting in between sessions, this one punishes you for playing too long…nice one SE, Ill be sure to use the money I was gonna spend on FF14 on a nice shiny new copy of Marvel vs Capcom 3.
    Oh and if any SE exc is reading this, make the fan boys happy and remake FF6 and 7 for PS3/360 they are still 2 of the best of the series, its sadly that last out and out great FF’s

  • Anonymous

    It’s not just all PR though, content is what ultimately drives one to favor the game or not.

    Anyhow, think about it like this… This video was edited. Editing takes time, you look at the clips, think up the proper manner in which to present the content. By that time, Spoony could’ve easily cooled down, gathered his thoughts around and reviewed if what he saw of Final Fantasy 14 was worth anything gameplay wise.

    This wasn’t a “Spur of the moment” show that he provided us, but an illusion of it that provides an actually thought out opinion.

    PR might affect you on the short run, but in the long run, the content is what drives it home. And Guild Wars had enough content to convey the amount of excitement he had over to us via this video.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/O6URLFLYT4EHVISS4CWKZ2RREM Verity

    Talk about deliberately missing the point.

  • Anonymous

    Oh yeah.. he never got around to mentioning it but.

    Hey Spoony. Did you ask Squeenix about the confirmation on the fatigue system?

    Y’know, how after 8 hours of gameplay, you no longer gain any experience until you let your character rest for 2 weeks? And during that 8 hours of gameplay, you progressively gain less and less exp?

    Yeah… did you ask them about that? Because the Japanese PR confirmed it, after having denied the mistranslation that gamers had 1 hour of EXP gain per day with a one day rest before the hour reset… (Yeah, like 8 hours per 14 days is better.)

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_LSI47DZXFG2BCIQGYJGXEWYEZ4 Courtney

    I noticed that too. I can’t wait for this game to finally come out. I loved the first Guild Wars and its expansions. Knowing that they put so much thought and effort into improving the second game makes me want to support it as best as I can. I will get this and I will try and convince my friends to get it too.

  • http://www.senshuu.com senshuu

    I think at least a few people who commented here must feel cheated that they got the “spur of the moment”-seeming commentary instead of the thought-out opinion, especially considering the circumstances, and not to mention the difference in style between featured games. It’s just really easy to say “look at how [adjective] this is”, no matter what the medium through which the opinion is conveyed. But honestly I’m all-around unfamiliar with this reviewer’s method, so maybe my expectations are unwarranted.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mato-Vucicevic/1449946991 Mato Vučičević

    Oh God… not again… why? why make FF14 a MMO? it didn’t work for FFXI, it won’t work for FFXIV… they should stick to what they know and make their epic tales of [insert plot point here] starring [insert party names here] in the world of [insert world name here]…
    Guild Wars 2 looks awsome and what they want to make is very, very hard and if they manage to pull at least half of that off i will be very impressed. I’m far from an MMO nut, but this and Star Wars: TOR are on my watch list…

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=655594422 Helmz Sea

    FFXIV: Runescape with better Graphics

  • http://www.facebook.com/dusan.sijacki Dusan Sijacki

    I’m with you Spoony. Why won’t FF die already? I hate FF games, never liked them and never will, even the famous FFVII. Just not my cup of tie.

    But GW2….Ohhh, boy GW2 will be great! Can’t wait for the game to be released. During the PAX I watched gameplay demo on Gamespot and was stunned to see such a compelling game. I can’t be bothered to play a game everyday because I have a life I need to live and since it won’t have subscription fees I can play it anytime and not worry if I wasted my money during the month I barely touched the game.

    SWTOR is another MMO I’m looking for but then again I don’t like KOTOR era, so we’ll see how’s that experiment will turn out.

  • Anonymous

    u mean they think of an axe and go in the other direction

  • http://www.facebook.com/xMaeRx Ryan Beckmann

    Everquest 2 still strikes me in a way that no other MMO has come close to. Sure, I’ll try the beta.. but in no way do I expect it to replace a world as well grounded as Norrath :P

    Oh, and I meant Guild Wars 2.. Final Fantasy 14 was horrible horrible stuff.

  • http://thenewyawker.darkbb.com/ Tylarannosaurus Rex

    I’ll stick with DDO. Yes, I like DDO, suck it.

    Hmmm, maybe Guild Wars 2.

  • Renaissance_nerd

    Eq2 is good but if you want an expansive rather impressive looking world and not just a series of ship bells transporting you then give a serious look to Lord of the Rings Online

  • Anonymous

    Wow… I don’t remember the last time I was so impressed with a trailer. Way to go, NC Soft!

  • http://thenewyawker.darkbb.com/ Tylarannosaurus Rex

    I take that back, I REALLY want to try Guild Wars 2.

  • Renaissance_nerd

    oh you just had to say it didn’t ya? I swore i’d never give money to NC soft again after they shut down Auto Assualt (i fucking LOVED that game)

    might have to eat some humble pie and try those Crazy Koreans again…

  • Anonymous

    As much as I love RPG, I have to say that I’m done with MMOs. Once upon a time it was good, in the time of the barely known 2D MMORPGs, around 10 years ago, I have played “Slayers”, “Dragon Raja”, “Ultima Online”, the earlier versions of RuneScape, years later, Ragnarok, DarkEden, and several MMORPGs that I can’t remember. I don’t know if it became worse when they start releasing MMORPGs in 3D or if is it me that can’t take any more of this about this time.

    By the years MMORPGs have becoming more and more generic and following more and more the “korean mmorpg formula”. When I saw how boring was WOW, how it almost has not any characteristic that resembles a tradicional RPG game. I just gave up with all of these games. Really I’m done with any MMORPG. Hopefully they can just die and this might be the last generation.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Sean-Rivera/1392512622 Sean Rivera

    I love how Square’s strategy for showing a game off is to spend all their demo money on a fancy cutscene that doesn’t show what the game is like at all. They’ve been doing it for years, you’d think they’d learn.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Pieter-van-Keeren/100000586163142 Pieter van Keeren

    FF14 clearly is a joke, the MMO scene is a joke in itself these days, just look at the MMO’s comming from Cryptic.
    All Cryptic MMO’s use the exact same engine, just diffrent models in their games, nothing sets Startrek Online apart from Champions Online, hell even the effects are the EXACT same.

    Surprised no one ever ranted about that.

    I’d like to see the MMO genre rise up again and be something good, i remember the days way way back, playing Ultima Online, and getting tired of that.. switching to EQ, both were great, later my guildies went to try Asheron’s Call and lo and behold, another good game!

    These days most MMO’s are plain trash, or badly thought through (Warhammer Online anyone?) where they put BAD support out to regions other then the US. (Yes im from Europe and the way they put Warhammer Online on our market was a joke, GOA is a very very bad company to use, everyone said it but no one listened).

    Let’s hope a game like GW2 can aleviate the Genre and make Developers stop and think for a moment before wanting to throw out a simple cash-cow that will go down in about 1 year time.

  • http://www.facebook.com/jnieminen Janne Nieminen

    I’m a huge fan of original Guild Wars, and have been waiting GW2 pretty much since they announced it. It would seem at this point – as rare as it is in gaming industry – that ArenaNet/NCSoft are at least getting close of fulfilling their promises and ideas about the sequel’s innovativeness. If the event system works, it’ll be a huge improvement to the standard MMO questing format.

    Here’s to hoping the full game will deliver.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/James-Cox/532320363 James Cox

    I can see FF14 being still born… Honestly I only know 2 people getting it one is a hard core FF fan (who has never played 11) the other one is actually just sitting on the fence and had played 11 and didn’t enjoy it and hopes 14 is a much better game

    My own 2cents I was interested in it at first thinking it would be ff11 only much improved only it looks to be about the same ok they have tweaked it but with the lack of PVP and the odd restrictions on gaining XP it seems like its just going to be the same game with some nice glossy graphics.

    I didn’t play GW1 I honestly thought a one time fee for an MMO would not work in the long run…. yeah I was wrong. I also was not keen on the one race but from what I’ve seen so far for just 1 fee it looks like it would be an awesome game even if I didn’t play it for days and days

  • Anonymous

    I think Square saw your reviews of FF8 and 10 :)

  • http://twitter.com/Rabarberskurk Super

    Helmz Sea: Don’t insult Runescape like that!

  • TOYBOXX

    I’m highly impressed with how well LOTRO turned out. And yes, it’s definitely worth looking into since it’s free now. Personally I’ve been playing DDO for the past few months, and comparing that to what LOTRO has to offer, let’s just say, I’d rather choose exploration and great story telling over character building on DDO any day.

  • http://twitter.com/random_ninja5 Eric Hesselberg

    I’m not big into MMOs, I haven’t played many. The only one I have was Final Fantasy XI. And I only played it for the one free month because I couldn’t afford to pay the monthly fees. Not that they were expensive, but at the time I didn’t have any income, and I just never picked it back up. After seeing this video I have to say that other than the graphics XIV is a step backward from XI. From what I played, the combat in XI was much better than what Spoony was forced to sit through in XIV. Personally, I think its too soon for XIV to be released. I mean XIII was just released this year. Give us some time, Square.
    On the other foot. Guild Wars 2 looks eggin’ sweet. The art style, the tone, the combat, the variety of races, everything shadows the pathetic excuse for an MMO that was FFXIV. And NO monthly fees! Holy Crap that’s eggin’ awesome. Its got my vote. I’m actually thinking of playing this one. Great Video as always, Spoony!

  • http://twitter.com/Menamebephil Phil Matthews

    I’m not sure I properly understood your logic regarding GW2’s lack of a monthly fee. I mean, since almost all MMOs require monthly subscriptions, having an MMO that just has an initial price tag definitely seems like a selling point to me.

    Look at it this way. Some people have looked at MMOs, but aren’t sure they’d like them. Some people would like to try, but are put off by the hassle of having to pay by-the-month. Some people don’t like what MMOs seem to do to people- the subconscious sensation that ‘I have to play it X hours this week or my subscription won’t be worth it’. Some people have other things that take up a lot of their time, and only get time to play games occasionally. Some people don’t have a lot of money, and wouldn’t appreciate a permanent hit of £X per month, no matter how little it is.

    To some people, it sounds like a subscription-free MMO would be pretty attractive.

    And by ‘some people’, I mean me.

    (It helps that they’re talking about eliminating grind as well. I hated grinding back when I actually played Final Fantasy.)

  • http://www.facebook.com/mooncastyre Melissa Waldrup-Old

    As pretty as GW2 looks, this is an NCSoft game. No thanks. I witnessed the trainwreck that was Aion. A game with no GMs that wouldn’t even let you submit reports after 10PM. Mass account hacking because NCS refuses to step into the modern age of internet security and offer security tokens. I’ll never give that company another dime.

  • http://www.facebook.com/malcolm.felix Malcolm Felix

    All I saw was, “GUILD WARS: THE FIRST MMO NOT TO SUCK”
    And I don’t mind it at all.

  • http://www.facebook.com/EternalSonata2010 Anthony Valunas

    Guild Wars 2 looks VERY impressive. I actually had the first Guild Wars pre-ordered and 3 of my friends talked me out of it and to get WoW instead, which got mind-numbingly boring after about a year. I tried 3 different characters and never reached level 60 because the grind was god-awful and I didn’t want to kiss a guild’s ass to go into dungeons to get more imaginary gear for my imaginary character that was slightly shinier than my current imaginary gear. I wish I could go back in time and kept my Guild Wars pre-order. Hell, I would have saved around $200 in monthly fees to boot.

    I promised myself after WoW that I wouldn’t waste time on MMOs ever again, but Guild Wars 2 looks so impressive, I’ll be trying the beta just to see if it got things right this time. Maybe I can redeem myself this time around. =)

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/F74MD7JZ7TERZCWCHEASWTOIJU rageofkyubii

    Holy bajubus, look at that dragon!

    Never really played an MMO before, but I just might have to try out this game. The combat looked freaking amazing.

  • Anonymous

    If people want to complaign about his comments on FF14, let me give you something bigger to cry about.
    FF14 is coming out this month, the new wow expansion is coming out in November they think.
    FF14 will do decent, not great numbers, see a huge drop off in subscribers after the first month, because people aren’t into it and it still has the feel of an asian style mmo, which have never turned a profit in north america under a subscription model.
    So, with reduced numbers in october, before they have a chance to fix bugs and rebalance the game, the WoW expansion will come out, and gut their subscribers.
    In about 8 months it will have somewhere between 20-50k active accounts, the only people playing will be hardcore, no one new will pick it up, but they will keep it propped up because they have Square Enix money.
    It might, MIGHT do as well as LOTRO, which is the second most popular pay MMO subscriber wise, which recently went free to play because they couldn’t get enough subscribers.
    There is zero Square can do to make this game a big hit, FF fans overall didn’t care about 11, mmo fans don’t care about Final Fantasy, the game has zero buzz.
    DOA, and if you want to argue it, wait 6 months and come back to tell me how active the community is.
    WoW will kill this like it kills everything else, and if it doesn’t(which it will!) the new star wars game will drive the nails into it’s (Very pretty!) coffin.

  • Anonymous

    the only way Square can breathe new life into the FF series is if they get Yasumi Matsuno on it and PROMISE that there will be no bullshit fiasco like with XII. The current designers of FF has no friggin’ clue what they’re doing. Get rid of Toriyama, Kitase, and especially Nomura. And while we’re at it get Amano back because no one in the history of videogame art style comes CLOSE to matching him

  • http://www.facebook.com/Tiago.guimaraes89 Tiago Guimarães

    Great coverage!

    Melissa Guild wars 2 is created by Arenanet not NCSoft, NCSoft it’s only the distributor while Aion was created by NCSoft, that’s a really big difference. that’s a really big problem for gw2 the fact that alot of people wont buy the game because they think it’s created by NCSoft. :(

  • http://www.facebook.com/david.dulude David Dulude

    i have to agree with spoony ive been playing since alpha and the game is the same as ff11 and is really really stupid so far and it really sucks

  • http://www.facebook.com/Tiago.guimaraes89 Tiago Guimarães

    Melissa, Guild wars 2 is created by Arenanet not NCSoft, NCSoft it’s only the publisher while Aion was created by NCSoft, that’s a really big difference. that’s a really big problem for gw2 the fact that alot of people wont buy the game because they think it’s created by NCSoft. :(

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jarrod-Eagle/790823078 Jarrod Eagle

    Wow, GW2 looks awesome. My friends were super hyped but I was dubious. I am officially sold where can I buy me a copy.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Adam-Job/100000915926094 Adam Job

    not only is it not developed by ncsoft, it is also published by ncsoft WEST, not by ncsoft korea.
    it has been stated that arenanet (the developer of both gw1 and gw2) works independently and does not report to ncsoft korea :)

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jeremie-Caisse/100000114247204 Jeremie Caisse

    My logic here is that Guild Wars is not the first MMORPG to require no monthly fee, in fact, there’s a whole bunch of them and while many are some of these washed-up worthless titles that sucks ass, some are actually pretty damn good. After making some researches in the following hours, Guild Wars 2 sounds nothing spectacular and like a glorified version of the first game except that the devs. use big fancy words to attract the masses.

    Excuse me but even games with a monthly fee tends to have a free month of subscription to give a good general feeling of how the game works. I want to hammer the point that the fact that a game has no subscription fee doesn’t mean its going to be good. Eliminating grind like in the first game is what made me despise the game because all you do once you reach the cap is a everlasting marathon of missions with a confused difficulty spike where a mission can be hard but the next few ones are unbearably easy which is the case with the heroic dungeons in WoW.

    Some people likes a challenge in games and this is why I liked FFXI, Mabinogi and a few other titles. Yeah Mabinogi isn’t that spectacular but it manages to introduce some neat gimmicks that increase the game lifespan. I’m still likely to buy Guild Wars 2 with the idea of playing it just a bit until it bores me and I hope my pessimism is all pointless and that I love the game. I have became extremely pessimist about FFXIV as well and I hope to love this game but if I don’t, I won’t deny it sucks but so far, I really liked the game in the beta. If something does kill FFXIV, it’ll be the dreaded fatigue system.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Adam-Job/100000915926094 Adam Job

      what the hell? a glorified first version?

      dynamic event system
      personal storyline with gamechanging decisions to make
      fully persistent world
      trait system
      dynamic weather and day and night changes
      5 playable races
      world vs world pvp
      etc etc etc.

      none of this was in the first game.
      and the big things (like the dynamic event system) have never been done right in any game.
      maybe you should just get some more information.

      but i guess haters gonna hate.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Adam-Job/100000915926094 Adam Job

    it is not developed by ncsoft korea, it is being developed by arenanet ;)
    its not even going to be published by ncsoft korea, but by ncsoft WEST. arenanet does not report to ncsoft korea and works independently from them.

  • Poipoi

    I heard what they are even going to do to limit the experience gaining in FF14. First 8 hours are normal exp, then next 816 is 1/2 the experience and then none till the following week but is set per class, so you can change class and have full exp… for 8 hours. Its over complicating what should be simple.

    Sadly, I was disappointed in the game before Spoony’s rant. I’m also upset with Wow because they are pushing Read ID. Yeah, lets give people an easier time stealing idenities. The MMO I want to play now is Starwars the Old republic. There are only a few things that I dislike, like limit of 4 people pre group and preset dialogue. But I hear there might a way way around the preset text. Mt bf found it on youtube.

  • Poipoi

    Wow might kill itself if it keeps pushing for Real ID systems.

  • Poipoi

    They would do better then to put wax in their ears like they are doing now. Shame they don’t get that Spoony wants to find reasons to like their games.

  • Anonymous

    I played both WoW and EVE and never really liked either one, and I especially HATE the monthly subscription fee.

    Guild Wars 2 looks awesome, and I think I might give it a try myself when it comes out.

  • Poipoi

    It kinda reminds me of what happened to StarTrek online.

  • Anonymous

    Oh, I also played City of Villains and WAR. Also crap. X)

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Adam-Job/100000915926094 Adam Job

    well they’re introducing a dynamic event system in order to eliminate grinding.

    over 1500 events in the game world that are sometimes chained together and often activate themselves, which scale depending on how many players are there to participate and which have persistent effects on the world

    eg: an outpost is attacked by monsters, players will have to defend the outpost. the more players participate in that event, the stronger the enemies get (reinforcements etc.). if the players are not able to defend the outpost, it will get taken over, meaning you can no longer accept quest and buy things there.
    but it will also start the second event -> taking the outpost back from the monsters.

    hundreds of those events will make the world very dynamic and lively overall, so it might revolutionize pve somewhat. ;)

  • http://twitter.com/riftwolf Mathew Presley

    I’m a WoW player, which I know makes me an uninformed sheep in many of your opinions, but looking at these previews made me think two things.

    FF14: Shouldn’t the player assume a battle stance when fighting?

    GW2: :D *childlike glee*

    If GW2 delivers I’ll dump WoW like the cold petty mistress it is. It looks like the MMO, hell, the GAME I’ve been waiting for, because of two words; persistant world. I want a game where it feels like something is happening and my victories or failures have impact. Fable kind of bullshit-teased this but even in that game you were restricted in your choices. What the designer said about bosses respawning struck a chord; I’m sick of killing Zalazane when rolling a new character. The idea of a dynamic world where things occur, and not just the minor changes that WoW has introduced recently, is something I can get excited about.

    FF14’s trailer was… dull. Even if they wanted to suggest a more peaceful, less combat-oriented world, what the hell happened? A cat-woman jumped onto a parade float? If you gave me ten minutes with a decent animator and composer I could put together a more exciting trailer which had no suggestion of violence to it. GW2’s trailer was amazing. Especially at the end with the dragon, which I noted looked a lot like Cataclysm’s main enemy, Deathwing. Only Cataclysm’s trailer only had a piece of concept art of Deathwing which it felt like they were waving at the camera and saying ‘RAWR SCARY’. And what the game designer said about releasing it when it’s ready rather than rushing it out… depending on when it’s released, Cataclysm might get one less sale.

  • Poipoi

    I was till recently limited on the mmo’s I could play by myself ( without using someone elses comp) because I have a mac. Got a windows side working now. At least Starwars old republic are trying to learn from their mistakes. Enix is the side thats raping the ff series, not Square. They have the majority say so on the games. They are clueless on how to pull off good MMO’s.

  • Oseis

    Guild wars looked pretty damned awesome, and the guy Noah was talking to seemed really excited about it himself. Instead of just stating the companies memo about what’s new and exciting about the new game, he seems genuinely amped up about it. No Subscription!? Now THAT’S MMO innovation! Love the FF hate!

  • http://twitter.com/commentor11111 commentor11111

    Guild wars was one of my favorite games ever, I cleanly racked up over 10,000 hours of play over the years till I quit because of real life stuff goings on, as you would expect. >.<

    I’ve been following Guild Wars 2 since it was just a whisper in the guild wars chat box. I’ve followed it every step of the way and its going to be amazing, just like the first, only better! BETTER I SAY!!!

    But, FFXIV? Let me put it this way. Guild Wars 2 (and World of Warcraft to a lesser extent) are the guides on how you SHOULD make an MMO, FFXIV is how you should NEVER make an MMO. Overcomplicated, boring, artificially lengthened leveling system and all around horrid gameplay mechanics.

    DOWN WITH SQUARENIX!!!

  • Poipoi

    Actually, I also play wow. I’m planning to dump it for another MMO. My issues on wow are different from yours though. I do feel that playing wow doesn’t make us mindless sheep. Anyone to tells you that is being a rude f&^ker. Hey I played it cause it worked on my mac and when my internet worked I did have fun.

    It is a big deal though when a game tries to sell us a game. Enix has gotten lazy, feeling their fan base is going to blindly buy this game. Thats why we got a bad demo. I now have serious doubts about the game itself. At least some people know how to sell and thats what we got for Guild wars 2. We got people who wanted to wet our thrist for a MMO.

  • Poipoi

    Or they could seperate from Enix and take back the series to what made it good.

  • Anonymous

    Enix and Square pretty much operate independently of each other. There is NO reason to blame them for FF’s current state.

  • Anonymous

    So FF is still (un)dead..no suprise there.

    GW2 looks very promising.
    I’m not a big fan of MMOs. I tried WoW, DAoC, Lord of the Rings, but ultimately it was all the same. Mostly unfriendly communities, boring grind, farming, and very dull quests. Biggest complaint: The monthly fee..sorry i won’t pay over 150€ per year to play the same game.

    I also tried Guildwars, while somewhat better, your char also had no impact on the world as a whole.
    Maybe i will give GW2 a chance.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Rob-van-der-Sloot/1737876984 Rob van der Sloot

    I’ve been a Guild Wars 1 player for a very long time, and I couldn’t be more excited about this. I’ve played the GW2 demo myself, and its amazing. Many have made the comparison with Deathwing from WoW regarding that dragon at the end of the GW2 trailer. While that beast is huge (it was in the demo) it is only one of the mid-level bosses. End game bosses are probably even bigger. A colleague of mine has played the new Final Fantasy, and yes it is very boring and the combat is broken.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Patrick-Prudlik/100000744027984 Patrick Prudlik

    “No grinding” and “No monthly fees” got me. Then add awesome trailer.

    I have to get GW2.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_7KCIT5IY3KJDOCIJDQVSKGO5QA Eric

    I’ve generally been a fan of the Final Fantasy series…but they always fail on their planning and programming. The open beta crashed the day they announced, and for 6 days afterward they had so much bandwidth trouble that their badly designed installer was forced to torrent the data from other players. I only say 6 days because that’s how long it took me to download it!

    Also, crafting and gathering “classes” should be exactly what they have been in every single rpg since time began…PROFESSIONS. Unless at high levels a miner can break the ground in half and drop enemies into the fissure while a blacksmith poors molten steel into the rift, those roles will never be used for anything other than running around solo finding material nodes or wasting time in town.

    The only thing FF14 has going for it is the music, Nobua Uematsu is back and just as genius as ever. The only person who could give him a tl:dr FF14 is poorly designed, and gets beat by GW2 in every way.run for his money when it comes to composing music is Jeremy Soule. But wait, who IS doing the music for Guild Wars 2? Ouch, poor FF14 just got beat down in its best event.

    tl:dr GW2 > FF14 in every way.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_R2PXJBI2MYYYETRXGCFBR4HOTA mitsos

    I am a blizzard fan-boy so I naturally played WoW as my first MMO. I tried GW and did not like it cause it was not really an MMO… It was an MMO only in certain areas like the cities. I sure hope GW2 is not like that, cause it looks promising. Cool graphics, I like the complex story-mode quests and the event-driven world is something I’ve been waiting to see in WoW for ages. They tried it but could not make it work (with the exception of AQ dungeons in vanilla wow)…

    As for the FF series, I gave up hope right after ff 9, so I can’t really say much on the matter, although the ff 14 world seems to be a ff 9 world, which, in my opinion, is the absolutely worst world out of the 3 games I played (7,8,9)… Too many colors and butterflies for my taste…

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QI7LVXGO2NTBLAA27PAWNSYZXQ Dario Chung

    Square-Enix as a company seems to have lost true focus in most of their games. Maybe Final Fantasy should be put to rest for a while. They can’t survive on FF for so long. They should go back to basics and be small instead of jumping on mobile games and after that handheld games and try to please Western and Japanese audiences at the same time. Just be more focused. The storyline and gameplay in their games lately is all over the place.

    Now GW2 is looking really sexy. GW had caught my attention in the past, but because it was a MMO, I didn’t play it. I just hate MMO style of gameplay. However, this one seems to be the perfect MMO for MMO haters. A true game without the insane grinding and more about game interaction. Everything a MMO should go for nowadays, not what FFXIV is shooting for.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t think that Spoony wants to find anything here, he just wants to give people a good show and those games are apparently a great material. And it almost looks like Square is targeting kids under 12.

  • TimADugan

    Not to mention that is someone doesn’t like the FF Online series, you seem butt hurt about it ;)

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jeremie-Caisse/100000114247204 Jeremie Caisse

    Hater? I dunno, its just that I’m not willing to be impressed by big words nor impressed by gimmicks that has already been used and even failed in some instances. What the heck do you expect from someone who has lost faith in most MMORPGs after years of enjoying them. I played so many MMO’s in the past from horrible to excellent ones and Guild Wars 2 so far sounds like it’ll be so good that’ll it be average. Also, none of these gimmicks sounds that special nor that attracting and again, some of these things are nothing special literally but just used with big words to impress the average gamer.

  • TimADugan

    Wait…what? …some…geeks don’t like Firefly? …sir, you just completely crushed my entire world :(

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jon-Skinner/1072283264 Jon Skinner

    I’m proud to say the only MMO I ever purchased was Guild Wars, even if I don’t play it much because of how long the intro section is and how un-immersive it felt. I feel good in having supported an MMO that was different from the norm of taking everything out of the player’s hides.

    Seeing Guild Wars 2 finally has cemented my MMO choice. SCREW STAR WARS: TOR, GIVE ME A PIECE OF GUILD WARS 2! This is the only kind of MMO I can get excited about because it feels like it was built specifically for me and other MMO nay-sayers that wanted an experience more akin to a persistent world and universe where everyone can feel important in their little ways. It’s like being a living, breathing person somewhere else, somewhere much more exciting. Now that is pure escapism, and free play means I can come back anytime I like, so I don’t have to feel like I’m wasting subscription money when I’m working on my college classes or playing other games or working on content for Mod projects.

  • http://twitter.com/thisgamesux THiSGaMeSuX

    Is it wrong of me to say that the cat ears and tails are disgustingly stupid and very clearly catering to either the stupid or furry crowd, the black sex-masks everyone seems to be wearing are just plain… wrong..

    This is by far the most off-putting animu cute retarded game i have ever seen in my entire life… its just alienating, you don’t want to meet those characters let alone be them, who is designing these new final fantasy games and WHY WONT THEY STOP.

    I have re-watched and re-watched that horrible trailer and with each transition it just makes me cringe more and more.

    WHERE THE FUCK IS FINAL FANTASY AT? NOT HERE. Sorry new players but if you are younger then 18 years old at the time of viewing this you simply don’t understand… final fantasy used to be epic, it used to be fun and the characters you played as were bad ass mothers who had to go up against even tougher, cooler looking opponents.

    This is just… EW, thats all i can say fucking EWWWWWWWWWWWW what is wrong with you people, why is square doing this to us. every year it gets worse and worse ever since that cocksucking manchild squall came into the picture.

  • dennett316

    Bullshit buddy, and you know it. The point he was making was that SE simply aren’t trying any more, as evidenced by the dull as fuck looking demo and their reluctance to answer people’s questions about the game. He even praised the game in terms of how nice it looks and the design being decent…..guess what? That’s all Square seem to be good at now, style over substance. Their CGI is unparalleled, but the actual games are leaving a LOT to be desired.
    This video is all about contrasts – Square’s unprofessionalism in blowing off scheduled appointments as opposed to GW2 guy answering questions, the combat in FF14 being listless and dull versus the kinetic energy on display in GW2, the effort put in by the GW2 guys to ensure a fun demo (100 people from their offices playing it at thee same time as those at PAX) as opposed to the sterile blandness of Square’s effort.
    You COMPLETELY missed the point in order to take shots at the guy for making completely valid points…for shame fanboy.

  • http://twitter.com/Simbaka Thomas Punton

    Personally after the 3 months wasted of Final Fantasy 11 and its frustrations I agree that I was not impressed with what I saw of this either. If Square wants to get people impressed they will have to do a better effort than this. There’s no whining here, its pretty much straight fact that Final Fantasy is not a MMORPG make.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_AQS5RYPI4H2VIHZ2SWD5DLJFHE TrevorR

    Great video Spoony saw this on guildwars2guru. I am gonna be getting GW2 b/c honestly no monthly fees and the effort that you can see this company put into the game you can tell that they will DIE to make this game great.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/John-Italiano/522497712 John Italiano

    You got to give Square-Enix credit. They’ve managed to make a wasteland, more desolate and devoid of life than any Fallout game. Making the enemies bored looking manikins and small rodents really adds to the atmosphere. Walking around these large empty environments for a chance to grind, and getting a decent fight maybe once every 10 minutes really adds to the gameplay. I mean who wants a fun and engaging combat system, so overrated. Keep your GW’s, I’ll play this and then watch paint dry.

  • Anonymous

    Have to kinda agree with your opinion on the Final Fantasy 14 demo, it didn’t have much going for it. You don’t pimp your game by showing sedate stuff like that.

    Guild Wars sounds amazing, in fact… TOO amazing actually. If the whole world suffers from persistent cause and effect, then doesn’t that mean some dedicated trolls could just come in and kick everyones ass? Could they burn everything down and kill all the NPC’s? Does that mean the game has destructability for the environments? Does that mean that important quests (like kill the dragon made of ROCK AND LIGHTNING) only run once?

    This storytelling through game events sounds interesting (but has never been a strong form of storytelling in the past), but it seems like it could go downhill real fast.

    That said the art (which they’ve always paid special attention to, even I who doesn’t even care about the genre knows that), the fact that the game has no crappy subscription model so I can actually play it like a game (as opposed to a job) which means I have a chance of buying it sounds awesome. The combat sounds interesting, but time will tell. I’m not sure about adding in all those races, kinda makes it more high fantasy (what with one race having mechs and nobody else even close) which I didn’t imagine Guild Wars to be.

  • Anonymous

    Being an avid WoW player (I know, I know, lifeless dork), I can say that FF14 does indeed look boring as shit, and that GW2 looks appropriately exciting and visceral. And GW2 succeeds where many have failed, in that it’s not trying to be WoW – it’s trying to be a good game on it’s own merits. If I have some leftover money after the new WoW expansion, I’ll give GW2 a try.

  • Anonymous

    Being an avid WoW player (I know, I know, lifeless dork), I can say that FF14 does indeed look boring as shit, and that GW2 looks appropriately exciting and visceral. And GW2 succeeds where many have failed, in that it’s not trying to be WoW – it’s trying to be a good game on it’s own merits. If I have some leftover money after the new WoW expansion, I’ll give GW2 a try.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Andrew-Ciccaroni/72002282 Andrew Ciccaroni

    Guild Wars 2 looks to be similar to SWTOR in that it is an MMO the way they should be moving. I will probably be getting both of those since there’s no monthly fee on Guild Wars 2.

    FFXIV, on the other hand, looks boring. Found a video of teamfights where they were attacking fireflies as a group… FIREFLIES! I can go out, find a firefly and squash it in a second, but they were fighting this little ball of light for a minute… and it damaged them! I don’t want to go fight fireflies, I don’t want the grind that looks like a rehash of the FFXI system with fewer classes. I want to do shit like combine my elementalist powers with my friend’s archer or necromancer and make ridiculous attacks. Even SWTOR has shown the beginning combat and it starts with you fighting groups of people who react to you, NOT FIREFLIES!

    In conclusion, fuck FFXIV and all it stands for, I’ll save myself the 60 dollars and monthly fee. I can squash bugs in real life.

  • Anonymous

    If people want to check up some MMORPG that at least have quite a bit of interesting fighting system. Check these up.

    TERA Online
    Soul Blades
    Mabinogi Heroes (Also named as Vindicus though do search on the other name, it’ll get more hits on Youtube)

    They at least do something different imo. I’m most interested in TERA Online. It allows for mobbing up monsters which most MMORPG actually lacks. Mobbing up monsters is when you gather up at least 20+ monsters and kill them pretty quick. Ragnarok Online are the kings of it at the moment. I can mob up 50+ mobs if I want to.

  • Poipoi

    But if those were good why are they killing the final fantasy series, unless Enix side wants to screw over the series till No one wants it anymore.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Andrew-Ciccaroni/72002282 Andrew Ciccaroni

    I have a theory that they’re trying to kill it off before it reaches 20… I mean, they’ve stopped writing new plots, the combat system has hardly changed in more than just display since they first started. They seem to be on a crusade to butcher their own series.

  • Poipoi

    In the fact, he (in a video ) said he wanted to like the final fantasy games but can’t because he feels they suck. Unless you are suggesting he lied that day. * shrugs *

  • Poipoi

    One could make a great MMO with final fantasy but the company doesn’t seem to know how to do it. And last I heard the hard core fans were not exactly the most creative bunch naming the characters off previous games or basing them off penny arcade ideas.

  • Poipoi

    I know I’m not the guy you wanted to asnwer ( or gal) I heard about it on the MMO report. The first 8 hours you get exaclty the right amount of exp. Then the next 8 -16 hours 1/2 the experience and then nothing till rested. This is a per class deal. You switch class it starts over again.

    All I know is that it ticked me off.

  • Poipoi

    I think I get what your going for. If you’re like me, you want to see the final product on store shelves before you throw in with the bandwagon. Yeah they also made a big fuss about past MMO’s and some of them proved to be disappointed and/or not even want was originally implied.

    Not saying this will happen here. Just saying I want to wait and see.

  • Poipoi

    They might be trying to kneecap the power levelers. I still don’t agree over their solution.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Nate-Lord/1160271024 Nate Lord

    wow is a completely different game now than it was when it first launched, the “grind” a lot of people are talking about is not currently in the game. its entirely possible to play the game single player all the way to the current level cap now, without grinding or being in a guild. I get the feeling that many of you, Spoony included have not played wow since launch, or a few years ago.

    as for the guild thing, well its an MMORPG its a social game, so if being in a guild of like-minded individuals is not for you, maybe you should play a single player game.

    also as a side note: if you don’t like doing an imaginary dungeon for imaginary gear, why bother playing any rpg ever made?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Nate-Lord/1160271024 Nate Lord

    I’d like to know how? the response to realID has been overly positive on the live realms, i’d like to hear your reason for it “killing itself”.

  • Anonymous

    i got my FF14 closed beta key at gamescom… i installed it and it didnt work.
    2 days before the beta ended i bought a new graphics card and i got it to run!
    well, you are right. the artstyle is nice and charming but thats IT! the game is boring and overly complicated like its predecessor.
    guildwars 2 blew me away though! i didnt actually play it but i watched people play it for a long time. they were showing a raid there with a huge battle against a giant earth elemental at the end. it was AMAZING!^^ and yeah… no monthly fee! thats the best part :3

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Nate-Lord/1160271024 Nate Lord

    I have to agree Melissa and not just about the hacking present in Aion, the account creation and management system they use is frustrating and asinine.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Andrew-Ciccaroni/72002282 Andrew Ciccaroni

    Oh, as an addition to my last post, I don’t care that they decided to show us a non-combat class fighting in the demo, but when we say it sucks the fanboys shouldn’t complain. There’s a reason that they are called non-combat classes. If I watch Rocky, I want to see Rocky Balboa fight, not Paulie. The same goes for this, I want to see the classes that are ready to fight, not their useless half-brothers.

  • Poipoi

    Matthew is correct. His only issues with 13 was two characters that were pointless in the game and they were the main characters.

  • Poipoi

    Matthew is correct. His only issues with 13 was two characters that were pointless in the game and they were the main characters.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Nate-Lord/1160271024 Nate Lord

    I’m hesitant to say anything about GW2 as I’ve not seen any of the combat yet, my biggest problem in the first game was that the combat was terrible and the animations and environments were incredibly bland. My character felt like a stick figure who barely moved.

    I am however gonna dump all of FFXIV for being incredibly lame and slow paced.

    none of these mmos i think are gonna have what it takes to bear wow out, with the one exception being SW:TOR, lets face it, the only people who can beat blizzard at their own game is Bioware.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Nate-Lord/1160271024 Nate Lord

    I’m hesitant to say anything about GW2 as I’ve not seen any of the combat yet, my biggest problem in the first game was that the combat was terrible and the animations and environments were incredibly bland. My character felt like a stick figure who barely moved.

    I am however gonna dump all of FFXIV for being incredibly lame and slow paced.

    none of these mmos i think are gonna have what it takes to bear wow out, with the one exception being SW:TOR, lets face it, the only people who can beat blizzard at their own game is Bioware.

  • http://www.facebook.com/anthony.harper2 Anthony Harper

    I just have one simple question. Didn’t Square-Enix already fail once in the MMORGP market. I’ve never meet anyone who said “yeah FF XI is my favorite game. So why then are they trying again. One other thing should be noted how a company treats it’s consumers is very indicative of the game itself. Spoony made the comment that the Square reps were jerks, that doesn’t speak well for the game itself. No one wants to admit they created a turd of a game, so once they admit that to themselves they feel bad about. Take the guys from Guild Wars 2 they were much nicer and therefore came across as being much more confident in their game. One last thing Great job Spoony thanks for being the eyes of us people not fortunate enough to be able to go to things like PAX, thank you so much for all you do.

  • Anonymous

    There is absolutely no PK-ing in the persistent world. Every PC is on the same side, and while you can choose to be an ass, you can’t choose to be evil. So, no NPC killing either, save for the monsters. It’s the monsters that do the town-destroying.

    Massive events like the Shatterer (big purple dragon thing) will, in the real game, be the culmination of a long event chain. If you want to get to that encounter, you’re going to need to work through a number of other events first. It will repeat, but basically only if the players make it so that it can.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Amaar-Jassim/1410080302 Amaar Jassim

    You’ve persuaded me to buy Guild Wars 2, indefinately. I’m a huge fan of the first Guild Wars, i’m definately going to enjoy the second it when it’s released.

    Many thanks for this coverage!

  • Anonymous

    Wow.. The Guild Wars 2 are chowing down on their own cocks. But the game will probably be good. As for FF 14.. It’ll be ok I guess.

  • Poipoi

    I didn’t know that the real ID ( the one wow wants to use ) which gives your real name, real email, your real home address and leaves your payment history open to the public can work with people. If so then I might be wrong.

  • http://www.facebook.com/PhillipVector Joseph Bullock-Palser

    I’m not sure what you call it then when I need to go out, kill some monsters, come back and do that again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again….

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jon-Skinner/1072283264 Jon Skinner

    The dry humor of this comment wins you one internet.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Juliana-Todorova/1631631126 Juliana Todorova

    Different games made for different type of players. ;)

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Juliana-Todorova/1631631126 Juliana Todorova

    Soul blades? Maybe you mean Blade & Soul?

  • http://www.jayisgames.com Dora B

    I dunno. It doesn’t look like a beefier, more combat oriented class would really have made that tutorial any more exciting. Watching your character stand there woodenly onscreen, waiting for direction and barely flinching when they’re struck doesn’t say stirring combat to me. Why are there no special combat idle animations, to at least let the characters look a little into it? Both the enemies AND the characters could be standing on either side of a foosball table, politely waiting for the other to take their turn.

    But, yeah, okay, maybe they shoulda/coulda picked something more exciting to showcase. They DIDN’T, and that’s nobody’s fault but their own. The whole point of a demo is to win people over, to make them want to play your product, and if what you put up there is boring and slow, then you’ve failed. If your game is amazing and innovative, it’s YOUR job to showcase that to its best possible advantage. If some soothing music and Disney-esque cutscenes is all they had to show, they should FIRE whoever the hell put together that demonstration. It is not the job of your audience to work to try to wring some sort of enthusiasm out of your product.

    I haven’t played a Final Fantasy in YEARS. 10 was the last I made an effort towards, and nothing about any of the recent titles (recent as in, oh, 6 years or so) has made me want to pick up the controller for them. I don’t have anything against the series personally, it’s just not FOR me, and if you enjoy it, good for you. But they don’t seem to be making an effort whatsoever to win over new players, and if everything that they put out there is only going to mean anything to people who’ve been playing for years, then you can’t blame me or anyone else for being unimpressed.

  • Vanlan

    Why are they making another Final fantasy MMO?!?!? THEY ALREADY HAVE ONE! You’re just going to shoot yourself in the foot, this is going to hurt FF11 more then anything else.

    Also, this doesn’t feel like Final Fantasy. I know they always change things from one final fantasy to another, but what about this is final fantasy any more? Even the classes aren’t final fantasy any more.

    You know what would work well? If they grabbed 3 or 4 of the old school final fantasy games like FF4, 5, 7, and one of the the other ones. Make them 3D, bring all the classic classes from FF11, allow people to play the classic races like moogles, half espers, Varg, what ever Red XIII is, ext, then have the mmo take place where you can cross over and explore the maps of the old FF games and take part in the after effects of those stories. Now that’s an FFMMORPG I’d play. I guess that would be a little like a Kingdom Hearts MMO.

    Guild Wars 2 looked good, but after playing SWTOR a couple times at Pax I still think that will be the better game. Still, I may pick up Guild Wars 2 since there isn’t a subscription.

  • Anonymous

    i agree with you spoony, ff14 still looks like some horrible tech demo, how is it exciting, and didnt ff11 fail because of online subscriptions and boring game play, trying it again afew years later doesnt solve a thing.

  • Anonymous

    Oh yea, I had forgotten it’s name as it I only slightly remembered it some months ago. But yes it’s Blade & Soul that I mentioned.

    That game is more for PvP too so if you want a PvP game you might as well check that one up. For me Terra Online interest me the most. PvP was never my type of gameplay.

  • Anonymous

    I had another thought last night (and apparently Spoony did to after reading the new notes x.x). The demo they brought to PAX just shows what SE thinks of their fans. They didn’t feel the need to put forward an interesting or exciting game demo or try to build up any actual real interest in the game. No, they slapped out a quick, crappy demo which showed nothing about the game. You know what that says to me? Square Enix not only doesn’t care about the game, but they think that their fans are so stupid and blind that they’ll buy anything with their logo on it, so why should they bother putting in effort to build excitement or for that matter even build a good game.

    Honestly, if you’re clamoring for FF14 or defending it here, you are as dumb and mindlessly devoted to the Church of Squareenixtology as they think you are. Buying this game just gives them the message that they can pump out whatever garbage they want, as long as it’s pretty, and people will buy it.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Juliana-Todorova/1631631126 Juliana Todorova

    There are almost no instances in GW2 so you’d be able to meet people outside of the cities/towns this time around. :)

  • Anonymous

    Looking at FF14 there I’m getting the vibe that hitman and deus ex series are in the worst possibile hands right now

  • Anonymous

    Final Fantasy isn’t the game everyone is fired up about, CoD: Black ops, is the game everyone is fired up about…

  • Vanlan

    BTW, Final Fantasy 14 classes make me think of old Star Wars Galaxies with those non combat classes and the inability to jump. The thing about SWG was you could change classes whenever you want, you’re stuck in this class.

    (CU or NGE anyone?)

  • Anonymous

    FFXI had.. moderate success in Japan. Best I can tell thats all that FF14 is aiming for; to pull their Asian FFXI fanbase over to 14 which, as we learned from EQ2, making a direct sequel to an MMO doesn’t work. The FFXI hardcores aren’t going to dump the character they’ve spent literally years maxing out and 14 is to slow, plodding, and horribly designed to drag in any of the US market from WoW, etc. Though the game has to be slow as dirt because the UI is so cumbersome and hard to use, if the game was fast paced you’d be dead before before your first spell cast.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jon-Skinner/1072283264 Jon Skinner

    Oh, and you gotta love how Square-Enix decided to use all their semi-interesting animations in the trailer and seem to use no animation at all in-game. Typical Squeenix tactics, put all the pretty flashiness in the trailers and leave the game itself with nothing left over. That trailer almost made me think it was that Elder Scrolls MMO that people (other than me) had been pining for after Oblivion came out… There was plenty enough shots of people walking around outdoors anyway. You could have probably had a logo for ‘The Elder Scrolls Online’, and I’d have been none the wiser, it looks nothing like any Final Fantasy game I’ve ever seen.

    …except 11, but that’s the case and point.

    Not trying to diss Bethesda and The Elder Scrolls (as I like them both) but they shouldn’t do MMO’s either, I think. Some of the quests in Oblivion were already too MMO-like.

  • Anonymous

    I’ve been a FF fan since I was like 7, and I really wanted to like FF14, but after playing the beta, I only have one word.

    Yawn.

  • Anonymous

    I’m really looking forward to TERA. Their combat looks like it could be really fast and fun (or a horrible trainwreck.. lets hope for the former).

  • Anonymous

    Hey, I see a comment thread on a non-GW related site full of people suddenly made aware of and interested in GW2, and a bunch of easily answered questions. It’s the perfect opportunity to spark further interest.

    But, yes, I’m very excited for it. How did you tell?

  • Vanlan

    Anyone else as angry as I am about the stupid airships in FF14? I can forgive some of the illogical FF airship designs, but FF14……… I don’t know if it’s just an engineer thing. Everything about them screams, not just impossible, but stupid.

    Even the hovering FF8 Garden wasn’t this bad. You could assume repulsion lifts or anti gravity magic or something. At least it wasn’t covered in stupid little wings.

  • Anonymous

    In that case you need to learn the difference between a Developer and a Publsher. Because Squeenix own the rights to publish the games but are leaving the development in the hands of Eidos.

  • Anonymous

    you know I’m not an mmorp kinda guy but a cool action oriented mmorp with no constant subscription fee, no level grinding and a palpable influence on the world would certainly inspire me to give it a shot

  • Anonymous

    Credit where credit is due, the GW2 hype has convinced me to download the original Guild Wars and give it another shot.

  • http://twitter.com/nemesis274 Lester Ramos

    I will agree with you on this one Spoony regarding FF14. The trailer gave me no impression whatsoever as to how the game will be like. It’s almost as if they are re-hashing FF11 only improving the graphics to HD. I am one of those people who get bored after playing an MMO for a certain period, but this? This might bore me on the character creation menu screen should I pick it up.

    I am holding on however to the Final Fantasy franchise but just by a pinky. If Versus 13 comes out and if it turns out that the game more than makes up for Final Fantasy 13, then there is still hope yet. But if not, then I am giving up on Final Fantasy as a whole

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Juliana-Todorova/1631631126 Juliana Todorova

    I’ve seen some gameplay videos from both Terra and B&S, and I did consider B&S for a time, but subscription fees are just not for me. :) Terra… I’m not really into the almost naked females, plus the whole scandal that is currently going on about how the codes were stolen from the supposed Lineage 3… Haven’t checked what happened in the end with the lawsuit though.

  • Anonymous

    FF XIV doesn’t have anything over GW2, Spoony? C’mon, it’ll probably have overly dramatic emo anime characters, and I did see Furries in that clip. Second Life shouldn’t be the only place wannabe furry freaks can pretend they’re playing a game.

    Let the fanboys have their game and hopefully it keeps them entertained enough to stay away from GW2. Far away.

  • Anonymous

    I am a fan of Final Fantasy… but, my god, I am in pain right now. I really liked the first one; II was plain bad; III was fun; IV was and still is one of my favorite games of all time (hell, I even love “The After Years” sequel…s); V I thought was cute but was good; VI was fantastic…

    And yes, I am a VII fanboi. I will admit it. I have no interest in the spin-off games, but I do love Advent Children Complete.

    VIII was…. weird. There are parts I like (the music) and I liked the graphics, but…. the story was a great disappointment.

    IX started off to me being cute and ended up getting better, and I’ll put that one close to VI and VII.

    X was……….. X was……….

    ..

    ..

    .

    XI was one of my first MMO experiences. And it was interesting for a short while. But it was clunky and the grind was FAR too much for my personal tastes. I have a hard time even considering it a core FF game.

    XII was a breath of fresh air. I love this game. Screw the general internet community’s opinion. I love 12. The story held my attention. I loved the graphics and a bulk of the characters. I loved it.

    XIII made me suffer. GOD THE PAIN! Graphics were good. The paradigm combat was good. And then Square-Enix when out of its way to make shit. This was not an RPG game. It was a corridor walk. And the story made less sense than VIII.

    EVIL GUY: “You are my slaves. You will kill Orphan for me!”
    Heroes (?): “We are all individuals! We are free!”
    Fang: “Right. In fact I disagree with the rest of my crew on several things.”
    Heroes: “Don’t do that! We need to be individuals as a team!”
    Fang: “…”
    EVIL GUY: “None of that matters! Kill Orphan!”
    Heroes: “Never!”
    *they kill the evil guy*
    Orphan: “Hi! I’m Orphan.”
    Heroes: “KILL IT!”

    My only hope for the series rests in Square-Enix breaking apart or getting taken over by somebody else before FFXV goes into development.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Trisha-Hicks/1071696473 Trisha Hicks

    Reviews like these, especially those based on little actually relevant content (SE’s fault there for not delivering the goods) are honestly meaningless at this point. For any who don’t know, FFXIV is currently in open beta and has been for some time. If you want to know what the game is going to be like.. Just play it. At home. No need to wonder.

    Also, no need to make baseless accusations about a game you’ve never played (despite being able as of open beta) and bashing an entire player base. The little jests are fine, we all poke fun at FF players, WOW players, GWs players, all of them occasionally, but don’t take it too far when you clearly haven’t the faintest idea. I’ve met waaaay too many people that think they are qualified to have an opinion about FFXI and WOW alike, just because they played for MAYBE a week. Usually it’s not even that long.

    Just like it’s “popular” in the media to bash previous President Bush and Catholicism nowadays, it’s just so popular among gamers to bash FFXI and its fans. Don’t hate just to join the crowd. It’s annoying. And obvious.

    Ending my rant.. I’m a FF MMO fan. I’ve been playing XIV since beta 2. But at this point, I’m not a SE fan, and there is a difference. SE is making poor choices with what could be a fantastic game. The mold is there. The mechanics are present. SE just needs to stop effing with it. Many FF fans and XIV fans will agree the current release date is TOO SOON. It’s still far too buggy and broken.

  • http://www.facebook.com/Bukee András Bukovinszky

    The main problem is that Square simply just don’t care about it’s fanbase… at all. They only see sheep made out of gold in them and they know that they’ll buy anything from them as long as it has the Final Fantasy name on it, so they don’t even bother with the advertisements.

    By the way, I still don’t know what’s so revolutionising about this game. It looks pretty…. that’s it.

  • Anonymous

    Yeah. The notion of having separate classes for crafting and gathering absolutely baffles me. I thought we left that shit at the door with Ultima Online.

    Of course, I don’t really know all that much about MMOs, my experience with them being mostly limited to WOW. I tried FF11, which I didn’t get far enough in to learn all that much about the crafting system, and City of Heroes, which I don’t think had a crafting system when I played it. I only really know about Ultima Online’s merchant class due to reading a column about it years and years ago.

    Whatever. Crafting-only classes are bullshit.

  • Vanlan

    A big problem with FF14 is going to be the home computers. Not everyone has the latest computer. FF keeps pushing for better and better graphics, which is nice and all, but computers even a couple years old will be unable to play this game.

    Not everyone has an Alienware computer

  • Anonymous

    I’ll tell you something. 90% of the time you can tell if you are going to like a game or not before you play it, that’s just true. If you like it that’s fine, but don’t try and tell other people want to think or how to act. Also someone is DEFINITELY aloud an opinion of a game if they played it for a week.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Thodoris-Ioannis-Boulieris/1653083335 Thodoris Ioannis Boulieris

    Thank god for that. After seeing the handling of deus ex 3 at PAX (no sight of it) I was afraid they would put their unique vibe in the game, and that is something I don’t want to see…. As someone who likes the setting of deus ex, I’m staying optimistic for deus ex 3

  • Anonymous

    mmorpg’s really aren’t my kind of games. however the guy you were talkin to made guild wars 2 sound amazing. why, because he has a genuine love for the product he is promoting and for me that is something that gets me fired up about a game.
    this is also where square enix fail. if their game footage is poor and they aren’t even willing to be interviewed about their releases personally it feels like a big middle finger to the fans. i honestly feel that they are sitting in their office laughing at the fans because they know that they will make money on any crap they release because it says final fantasy, or square enix on the box. they have no love for their product anymore and they definitly have no love for their fans. if they did they would make the effort.

  • Anonymous

    mmorpg’s really aren’t my kind of games. however the guy you were talkin to made guild wars 2 sound amazing. why, because he has a genuine love for the product he is promoting and for me that is something that gets me fired up about a game.
    this is also where square enix fail. if their game footage is poor and they aren’t even willing to be interviewed about their releases personally it feels like a big middle finger to the fans. i honestly feel that they are sitting in their office laughing at the fans because they know that they will make money on any crap they release because it says final fantasy, or square enix on the box. they have no love for their product anymore and they definitly have no love for their fans. if they did they would make the effort.

  • http://twitter.com/thisgamesux THiSGaMeSuX

    Maybe not everyone cares if a game is beautiful, maybe not everyone wants to see “emotion” on a party members face, maybe they just want a fucking GAME.

    This.. this “thing” is not a game, it is every bullshit animu stereotype bundled into a giant cocksucking fairy magic package.

    Sorry woman, welcome to the interwebs.

  • http://twitter.com/thisgamesux THiSGaMeSuX

    Alienware is overpriced bullshit, maybe try putting together your own computer (seriously, not as hard as it sounds) and saving oh, i dunno, 2 THOUSAND DOLLARS.

    lol

  • Anonymous

    This is also a problem with SW: TOR to an extent, though it’s not pushing nearly as hard. People always complain about MMO graphics until they hear their computer straining and gasping for air. I’m not sure FF XIV would run on my comp.

  • Anonymous

    I’ve no idea who you are, but every single one of your comments has been right on the metaphorical money. You kick ass!

  • Anonymous

    Well, until now, I’ve heard only negative things about the original Guild Wars. It’s not highly regarded from my circuit (the WoW circuit) so it’s sort of dissuaded me from touching it. seeing though how Spoony seems to have similar tastes in RPGs as I do (he introduced me to P4) I’m willing to take more interest.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Trisha-Hicks/1071696473 Trisha Hicks

    I knew I would get one of these. If you actually read my post, I admitted the game is still quite broken. The only reason I brought up graphics (which was actually in an edit after the fact) was BECAUSE the game is QUITE BROKEN, but the graphics is NOT one of those problems. A poster below pulled a “..and.. uh.. it’s ugly too!” out of their arse for no reason other than to bash the game some more, just proving my point that it’s so popular to hate FF as an MMO after the popular hating of FFXI, that a lot of people won’t give XIV a fair shake, even after it is (hopefully) polished.

  • Anonymous

    ‘Qualified to have an opinion’ What does that even mean? Does it mean FF is exclusive to it’s fans only and newcomers don’t have a say? Spoony hasn’t just played FF XIV for a few minutes or even the entire series for a couple of years, he’s been playing it since FF 1. So in context of your argument then yes, Spoony is more than qualified to comment on FF XIV and the series as a whole.
    My opinion (if I’m allowed one) is that every recent incarnation of FF looks no different than the game before it. Yes the graphics are crisp and beautiful but is that all fans of this series are pining for? In terms of appeal this game just doesn’t in any way interest me in the slightest. Games are not meant to be exclusive they should appeal to everyone. After all how are Square Enix going to sell games? The trailer for this game certainly doesn’t help in this regard. Nothing happens in this trailer. It doesn’t tell us anything about the game apart from showing us what has been in each FF game since FF IX, androgynous characters and furies. Any decent MMORPG would aim to have a trailer that engages the viewer rather than show nothing but songs with lyrics that make little sense and pointless scenes of people doing nothing but walk and dance.
    The Deus Ex Human Revolution trailer works in this regard because stuff was actually happening in that trailer. In fact I’ve never played the original Deus Ex but the sci-fi setting in Human Revolution looks intriguing and has more to show than it’s impressive visuals, unlike FF. Seriously when will FF end? Barely months after FF XIII came out FF XIV was being touted for release. Makes you wonder if the next instalment is already in the works, which it probably is.

  • Anonymous

    Guild war 2 look awesome so want to play it.
    However wht are they releasing another FF online? The characters in the proper games are all emos. Why doesn’t square make a decent mmorpg like a Dragon quest one? I myself have always loved Dragon Quest because the charaters act like real characters, the story is always good and they carry stupid weapons.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Nate-Lord/1160271024 Nate Lord

    and you don’t have to do that, you can go solo quest or do pvp or just explore places or use your professions to make money. You don’t have to raid and do heroics in World of Warcraft, you don’t have to grind.

    Its amazing how everyone on here spouts off all this junk about grinding the same boss over and over again when its really not that, nor has it been that in years. A lot of the people on here are just speaking out of their collective asses, Theres only a handful of people commenting that currently still play and i don’t see how anyone can not comment on the ignorances being portrayed here.

    WoW has changed a lot since launch, hell its changed a lot since Burning Crusade. Leveling is not the chore it used to be, and with Cataclysm looming on the horizon leveling should be a lot more fun for those involved.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Andrew-Ciccaroni/72002282 Andrew Ciccaroni

    Just checked out the website for FFXIV… Even that just oozes of boring. You can look at the amazing amount of 7 whole combat classes in the game, 2 of them are even mages! I mean, its sad when you have more non-combat classes than combat classes. I don’t want to be a worker in an MMO, I already do work. Even when you get to the combat classes, there’s a little section on their role in combat a tiny picture which supposedly shows their combat range, but is not big enough to mean anything, ability names and descriptions for a few of them, and a picture of two things they can equip, not an explanation, just a picture. It has contrived explanations for lack of exploration, a 7.5 minute intro video, which comes down to, IT WAS A DAYDREAM! FUCK YOU, YOU NOW GO KILL 5 SQUIRRELS! And pictures of Hyrule Castle town, which is essentially what their capital city is visually. This game comes out for everyone in about 2 weeks, and their website feels like it doesn’t even have all the features a game in the alpha phase would talk about. Just getting so pissed off that this shit is being released, the website was better 6 months ago, when everything actually had some sort of explanation. Even Guild Wars has more to their website, and they don’t have a release date. This game will be a huge disappointment for anyone that likes to have fun rather than looking at a well filmed movie with no plot.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Trisha-Hicks/1071696473 Trisha Hicks

    I’m sorry if my post came across as telling people how to think. And I do agree that you CAN judge a book by its cover in all forms of media, be it actual books, movies, or video games. There are instances when a trailer completely BS’s the consumer, for good or for bad. That’s pulled a lot in movies and games, and novel back covers come to think of it.

    I don’t mean to tell anyone what to do, what to buy, anything. I am sorry for coming off that way. There are a lot of really intelligent people out there who have formed a negative opinion of FFXIV for darn good reason. A common joke between my friends and I is something like “Oh.. *sigh* And we all still want to play this broken, broken, game. Don’t we?” But it isn’t because it’s FF. It’s because it’s fun. We’ve all tried a lot of games to play together like Sacred 2 (extremely broken but still fun if you have enough patience for all the crashing and random mishaps) and Borderlands (extremely fun again, but not really RPG enough to last long).

    Playing FFXIV with my group so far has been awesome, full of laughs and discovery. That’s just my take on it. I would honestly rather the game remain as popular as FFXI. I like the quieter servers. My group feels the same way. But it’s hard to stand by when the less intelligent interwebz folk come around with the old bash-o-rama for no reason. I don’t reply to these things often because I would be at the PC all day long for the rest of my life, but I feel I can express my opinion as well every now and again.

    And I still have to disagree with you about the last point. In a solo player game, a week is all it takes. Heck, a couple hours will allow you to judge a game fairly. But considering the pacing of an MMORPG, a week is not enough for some to get out of the first tutorial/newbie stages. So that’s like quitting Fable because you got tired of chasing chickens. There ARE players who will dedicate themselves completely to that entire week, and they will get to level 20+ and start experiencing at least the beginning of the middle chunks of the game, but I was referencing the not so hardcore.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Matthew-Lurton/1839954057 Matthew Lurton

    I disagree with Spoony in some areas ( I liked FFX; the atmosphere, back to basics combats, and music; I didn’t mind the characters that much but it retrospect I can’t deny Tidus is an annoying twit as well as the… various flaws in the other characters, but, tbh, that doesn’t really effect my enjoyment of it) but on one point I have to agree: SquEnix apologists are what are killing the FF franchise.

  • Anonymous

    Wow.

    Seriously, people are defending FF14? Why? I loved FFIX but everyone hates that one, and it looks like we’re stuck with these pretentious ‘this MUST be deep’ bland games calling themselves part of the FF series. But Guild Wars 2? Just wow. I was veerrrrry impressed with all I heard and saw and the main thing running through my mind was: This is what I have waited for games to become. So yeah, super excited.

    But gawdamn why d’ya have to hate on epic mickey (trollface.jpg)

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Roler-Dark/100000545592088 Roler Dark

    that’s the problem spoony mentions here, the beta has been out for a while, and what does SE do? rather than showing what beta players have done so far, just put a tv to loop the trailer over and over again and have a defective beta game to play, that’s unprofessional and it will scare away newcomers to the series rather than have them come to play, they could’ve polished it before PAX but its more like they did everything in the last minute

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WZVR475LNNTIRI6IJED43R7OIY g

    You’ve got too much time on your hands to spend bashing a game you don’t care to play at all. I’m not on the forums, bashing TOR/GW2 because they are WoW clones. Nope, I spend my time in the forums for the games I care to play, like FFXIV. You don’t agree? That’s fine, but we don’t need your opinions to form ours, with actual facts instead of shit like this, complaining about a BOTANY CLASS having boring combat!!!

    Grow a clue idiots, nobody cares about your bashing. People will play whatever THEY WANT TOO, DEAL WITH IT, YOU’RE NOT INFLUENCING ANYONE NOT ALREADY INFLUENCED.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Trisha-Hicks/1071696473 Trisha Hicks

    Yeah, they really dropped the ball. The different cities do have rather exciting openings, especially if you start as a combat class. Otherwise you’re throwing stones and wondering if you’re going to die during the tutorial.

  • Anonymous

    All these folks complaining about FF Online have any of you ever played the series before? It’s always been a mundane grind. I know Spoonies the man on this site but stop jumping on the bandwagon. He said it sucks but I don’t think he every played the other online games…because they’re all like that. One long boring grind and if you don’t pay and play you lose what you’ve worked for. FF has always been at the bottom of the MMO list no one serious about MMO’s picks it up. That game is punishingly tedious and redundant. The end game boss almost takes 24 hours to defeat. I’ve met many people who played MMO’s but none that had anything good to say about FFonline ever. Even the hardest to the core WoW players that spend 40-50 hours a week on a MMO wouldn’t touch it.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Andrew-Ciccaroni/72002282 Andrew Ciccaroni

    FFXIV isn’t even close to a WoW clone. It would be an insult to WoW to call FFXIV a WoW clone. And the botany class defense, I don’t give a shit which class it is, if they’re showing combat it should be exciting. We’re not complaining because the non-combat classes can’t fight, we’re complaining because non-combat classes shouldn’t be shown fighting. Don’t tell use we’re idiots for looking at one of the only combat videos and saying, hey this is boring, instead of saying, hey this guy’s a botanist, so we shouldn’t expect anything from it. We shouldn’t expect competence from Square Enix, we should just talk about how great the game they’re making is even though the limited things we see all indicate otherwise.

  • Anonymous

    It’s going to take a lot of work to remake 2D games for 3D platforms that came out over a decade after the games.

    FF7 wasn’t real 3D like current JRPGs. The characters were 3D, but they moved around on matte paintings. That won’t fly in this day and age.

    I’m not saying they can’t do it, but it would take a lot more work than most people assume.

  • Anonymous

    I’m not denying that the GW2 will be good. But the second half of the video was those guys just jerking of into the camera.

  • Anonymous

    I’m not denying that the GW2 will be good. But the second half of the video was those guys just jerking of into the camera.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=851230076 Jamie Temple

    Its in this moment im proud to be a massive fan of Guild Wars. GW is exactly as it says in the tin, no grind, no subs and ITS FUN. I still play it today, jumping into some AB and kicking some Kurzick ass is always fun. Im dying to play GW2, I really can’t wait to see how the land of Asacalon has changed, plus its gonna be fun kicking ass as a charr =3

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WZVR475LNNTIRI6IJED43R7OIY g

    You’re right, FFXIV isn’t a WoW clone, I never said that, and it’s the main reason I’m interested in it. I need a mmo that doesn’t just copy the next guy’s homework, that is willing to do their own.

    And the non-combat classes do not fight, they get the npcs to kill the mobs, and to cure them. Of course, spoonyone didn’t care to learn about this before choosing this class, so instead he bashes it in the most uninformed way he could so he could feel justified by SE not holding his little foreign hand. The GW2 people held his hand, and he praised the game for the people kissing his ass.

    This video is butthurt bullshit.

  • Anonymous

    Wow there are a lot of stupid people there! Bashing and calling a game shit based on a not too well made preview version (and a beta version), which lasted only for a few minutes. I won’t play with the game, but God your “opinions” hurt.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Trisha-Hicks/1071696473 Trisha Hicks

    About the qualified to have an opinion.. If you watch Spoony vids, it’s a concept you should know. He tends to tell viewers straight out (like in the recent Spike TV game review) how long he actually played the game before reviewing. Why does he bother? Because if he only played for half an hour, we viewers wouldn’t take his opinion seriously. He made a note (again citing the Spike TV interview) to tell viewers that that first fight was NOT the only one he played. He had to tell people that because they were flaming him thinking otherwise. I didn’t mean to offend. I was expressing my opinion as well. I didn’t mean to come off as a shark in the water I was doing the rare thing of defending a game I have played and enjoyed with friends. I don’t like flame wars.

    And I should have explained it before: I wasn’t citing Spoony there, I was citing people I have actually talked to who said they got to say level 5 in FFXI and quit and formed their opinion of the ENTIRE GAME on those five levels. And people I have talked to that said they played WOW for an hour and quit, and feel they are more qualified than a WOW end game veteran to tell others how awful it is.

    I said in my post SE dropped the ball. They screwed up. They could have offered so much more. I have seen more exciting youtube videos for pete’s sake. I don’t pretend that’s not true. And I’m not telling anyone what to do, but I mentioned, if you want a real taste of the game and not SE’s fail advertising, try the open beta.

    And of course the next installment is already in the works. How long do you think it takes to make a game? I said in a different post, we first heard of Rapture AKA FFXIV back in 2005. And FFXIV is still buggy and laggy in places it shouldn’t be and unnecessarily weird (like retainers.. we all agree they need to go..).

    I agree, FF is always more of the other FF series. They’re all like that. Different story (slightly) and same game mechanics. Exactly the same in most cases. Or the differences are so inconsequential or easy to forget (like FFVIII junctioning, you just optimize, click, forget, it didn’t really make the game). FFXIV is in some cases even FFXI-2, at least visually. But when you get down to the mechanics, it’s quite different. XP gain, switching jobs, storing items, interacting with NPCs, storyline importance, battle mechanics, point distribution, I could go on. FFXIV is definitely the same *flavor*. I won’t deny it.

    I do agree with points you have made and I appreciate your reply. And again, to you and the entire comments user-base, sorry for not clarifying these things earlier.

  • http://twitter.com/Okanehira Okanehira

    I agree, I got the beta for FFXIV after playing FFXI for a year and HATED IT! Its so dull and lifeless and tries to mask it with its good looks, kind of like Jessica Simpson. Guild Wars looks much better and actually seems to have some depth and interesting ideas… …kind of like Lady GaGa. So i guess what i am saying is, FFXIV is Jessica Simpson and Guild Wars 2 is Lady GaGa? Yeah.

  • Anonymous

    I applaud Square-Enix… crashing their new game is fucking hilarious. Best Game Presentation Ever…

    Guild Wars 2 might give me the hopes to actually like MMO’s.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WZVR475LNNTIRI6IJED43R7OIY g

    I’m willing to bet, the majority of those people praising GW2, and bashing FFXIV, will play neither 6 months after the release of both of them. Now, with this in mind, what the fuck does that tell you???

  • Anonymous

    You know a lot of game developers fail once or twice in the business. What, should they stop making video games and start developing games for cell phones? Why shouldn’t they try, and maybe do it better?

  • Anonymous

    Oh, and Spoony: “anyone who’s still sticking up for it in the face of all the games I’ve previewed so far is absolutely devoted to fooling themselves”

    You know, I’m sure there are people who will wait for a complete version. People who usually base their opinion on a finished product, not on a few minutes preview gameplay from the beta version.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Stewart-Griffin/1288761911 Stewart Griffin

    Fuck final fantasy. That is all on that topic. However, on the topic of guild wars 2, the push towards a more story centric focus is great and I couldn’t be happier that MMO creators are starting to figure that out, I still have a problem. You see, the flaw is inherent in the structure of mmo’s. In order for new players to be accepted in, the world has to be relatively the same for everyone. Herein lies the problem. Example: in the trailer is a shot of a bridge being destroyed by a magic spell. Great, it looks really cool. In a single player game that would be an awesome moment of heroism. But in a single player game, it only happens once. You do it, and it’s awesome. In an online setting either one of two things will happen. Either the bridge will be destroyed and remain destroyed forever (or at least long enough to allow for a realistic rebuilding time) this flat out isn’t going to happen. Maybe I’m wrong, but if they take that choice I will be amazed. Or, the bridge will be gone for you, but not for players who haven’t yet encountered that quest. Great, but you’re still not affecting the world in any kind of real way. The problem is heroes. Heroes are not the correct choice for an MMO central character. Heroes change things. They upset the status quo. In an MMO that can not happen. Now superheroes on the other hand… Whether or not you liked city of heroes, consider this. Gameplay wise, city of heroes is just another mmo. It plays out in mostly the exact same way. But a superheroes purpose is to defeat villains. Unlike a hero, a superhero knows that apocalypse can be pluralised. They don’t win, they hold back the storm. The purpose of a superhero is to maintain the status quo. Storyline wise, at least in my opinion, that’s a drastic improvement. It makes the MMO structure believable. It justifies it. The gameplay serves to enhance the story as opposed to the way that the story frames the gameplay. Anyways, just some random thoughts. Don’t take my word for it, Guild Wars 2 might be great. But I won’t be getting my hopes up.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Tyrone-Salters/100000536336295 Tyrone Salters

    Sadly FF is turning into the Madden of RPGs, as in no matter what what they pump out, people will still buy it cause its FF, why put effort into something that’s gonna sell no matter what?
    Personally, I want a more action-like MMORPG where I can dodge and attack like a would a beat-em-up or adventure game.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WZVR475LNNTIRI6IJED43R7OIY g

    Exactly, and how could he praise GW2, when there isn’t any real info available about it, other than the devs beating their chests calling it a “WoW killer”, when it looks and plays exactly like WoW from what I’ve seen.

    That’s far more boring than what I’ve seen in FFXIV so far, then again, THAT’S JUST MY OPINION, MAN.

    I don’t have to bash WoW in order to like FFXIV, or GW2, or TOR. I like what I like, for my own damn reasons.

    This bashing games you never cared to play with bias, is getting OLD. People are turning the gaming media industry into FOXNEWS with their uninformed slander.

  • http://twitter.com/septikron Fairbanks MacEwing

    bet your WoW account on that. win/win for you when you’re wrong.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WZVR475LNNTIRI6IJED43R7OIY g

    Spoony needs to go back to making walkthrough videos, instead of bashing games that will divide his audience like this video does. I had his fucking site bookmarked for years now, just waiting for more win like the phantasmogoria II playthrough had. Instead, I’m feeling like this shit isn’t worth a bookmark. Just fucking ignorance and mindless biased bashing, no funny, just sad and hate.

  • Anonymous

    You can see that guy is really excited and grinning like mad about his game.

    He knows it’s awesome. He knows it’s FUCKING awesome.

    I will buy it. And I will grin like he is as I have fun with his game.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Trisha-Hicks/1071696473 Trisha Hicks

    The FFXIV site has always been weeks, even months behind the information that has been released to the public (usually via JP magazines). Trying to understand why SE does things is like peeking inside the mind of a lunatic. I really don’t know. xD They fail at advertising on all sides. Again, no idea why. The world may never know.

  • http://thedrakkongrimoire.blogspot.com/ NDrakkon

    Your second point is moot. Spoony didn’t choose the non-combat class, it was a presentation video playing. Square Enix put the presentation there for people to see, so only they can be blamed for problems with it being boring or a poor class choice.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WZVR475LNNTIRI6IJED43R7OIY g

    lol, and how many people play gw today? I’m willing to bet, more are playing ffxi than gw, even with it being f2p.

  • http://twitter.com/TheBladerunner9 Fred lake

    For all those of you complaining about how we cant take Spoony’s opinion seriously or anyone elses opinions on games like FF14 or whatever other games he saw at PAX because he only played 30 minutes or whatever. If thats true whats the point in previewing games? Whats the fucking point of conventions like E3 or PAX or previews in magazines? The whole point of conventions like PAX is so that people can play demos of the game and give their intintial impressions on it, and [ I assume] the developers will listen and tweek the game accordingly. If only playing 30 minutes of game means you cant have a valid opinion on it, then what is the fucking point of previewing anything?

  • http://twitter.com/Yadokingu Sag Ichnet

    Well he only partly bashed FFIX. Mostly he bashed Square for not showing off what’s great about their games. (And not showing off the etter one at all)
    If they chose to show off combat with a “BOTANY CLASS”, as you put it so pointently in caps, I really have to agree with him. This was a STUPID move on Squares Part.
    Furthermore making an MMORPG look lifeless, also not a good strategy to sell it to people, who aren’t giant FF fanboys.

  • http://twitter.com/CaptainofKrunk Danny Kirby Jr.

    God is there any thing Spoony enjoys? I stopped watching his repetitive wrestling videos and now he is just whining about a DEMO? I like all his little suck ups defending him but this guy’s act gets tired real quick and hes half as entertaining as most TGWTG personalities

  • http://www.facebook.com/PhillipVector Joseph Bullock-Palser

    That right there should tell you something.

    • http://www.facebook.com/tjmac510 Travis McCollum

      What I find funny is in that entire comment, that’s all you took away from it. Just that. Not the fact that Square was one of the most unprofessional companies there and that they really biffed it on their presentation and their “big game” was such a disaster that they set up a Kane and Lynch 2 booth….nope it’s the fact that I maybe made an error in saying he didn’t hate 12 and 13 as much as he does 7,8,10,10-2,11,and 14. Nope…jeez

  • http://twitter.com/TheBladerunner9 Fred lake

    Did you actually watch the whole video, or are you just stupid? HE GOES ON ABOUT HOW GOOD GUILD WARS 2 IS FOR LIKE 10 MINUTES!!!!!!!!!!

  • Anonymous

    whether or not ff14 will good or bad, it definitly looked like the most boring demonstration at PAX and that guild wars 2 looks really fun, I might get it even though i’m not much a fan of mmorpg.

  • Anonymous

    I think I’ll try guild wars 2, a friend of mine liked Guild wars 1, and with spoony’s encouragement, this game is only looking more promising!

    Thanks SpoonyOne.

  • http://twitter.com/Yadokingu Sag Ichnet

    Öhm have you seen the second part of this video? He talks about a game he didn’t just enjoy, but loved.
    So asking if there is anything he enjoys is kinda retarded…

  • Anonymous

    That’s a cute idea, but real idea didn’t do anything to keep people from buying Starcraft 2, and it won’t do anything for this, or Diablo 3.
    People don’t actually care as much as the internet has you think.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Andrew-Ciccaroni/72002282 Andrew Ciccaroni

    As with other people here, I’m convinced you only watched the first 5 minutes of the video. He loved Guild Wars. Not to mention he like plenty of things at E3, just not FF14. And with PAX happening 3 weeks before the release of the game, its no longer a valid excuse to say its beta footage, the gameplay is done, beta is essentially looking for bugs, not testing for fun. This is essentially the finished product, and if the Demo is horribly boring, chances are the game will be horribly boring.

  • http://www.facebook.com/diesel1985 Joseph McDowell

    I agree wholeheartedly with Spoony. This is how I’ve felt about the vast majority of Japanese RPGs since they started using polygons. Turn-based (or pseudo real-time but actually turn based) spell and attack exchanges are just systems that were built for the NES era, and we are far past that. I know many other western RPGs are like that… which is why I don’t really play many of them either. Like the Amiga computer… remember that one? You can put the best product out there and wow everyone who loves you, but if you’re not a good salesman… or more specifically, you botch every attempt at salesmanship, it’s rarely going to sell to anyone who isn’t a consumer whore. And as hard as it may be to believe, Sony does not make games to give otakus hard-ons – they make games because it puts money in their pockets. That’s how businesses stay afloat. They may tell you that they do it for the fans… they may even *think* they do it for the fans. But if the FF games didn’t make as much money per-capita as another product they could have invested their time on, the man who writes the checks would have given it the axe.

    I think that’s largely the message Spoony is making about FFXIV, even though his thoughts on the bulk of the series are obvious. I.E. – Your game could have crapped out gold bricks for me, but thanks to you implying it crapped out unspent nuclear fuel rods with your botched attempt to shove it on me, I’m not buying it, and neither would anyone else who isn’t a eunuch thrall to that manufacturer.

    If you look up the history of the development of the RPG genre in Japan, conveyed by many of the American heavyweight players in the 80’s era of the industry, you’ll learn that American game developers had to strain when attempting to convey the RPG idea to Japanese designers. The idea to them was entirely foreign, like the concept of a 4th dimension of space to the layman, and it showed in their early games, when their combat systems were largely an incredibly dumbed down attempt at what was then a TSR-based game system standard. And they’ve continued to do so for the past 25 years. Things like “the main character represents you,” and “You only get one life, and no continues,” was unheard of in Japan’s video game industry at the time. Their ham-fisted attempt stuck for some reason, and has persisted. I can’t understand for the life of me why people continue to call the genre Role Playing Game when you never play the role of the character… the game makes the character for you.

    But I digress.

    Saying Spoony is not being fair to FFXIV, is in turn unfair – You should not expect him to subject himself to the same bitter vegetable over and over again, hoping he will acquire the taste for it. You should not expect him to squander his time and resources on a game that has twice proven in his first-hand experience to be sub-standard solely because you would buy it. And, you should not expect him to not voice his opinions as fact when he is showing you the video evidence.

  • Anonymous

    Strong statements, considering you’ve probably never played GW…I’d love to have your powers of precognition.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=704395302 Meagan Kellermann

    What’s funny is that you got just about every detail wrong, which just proves that SE did a horrible job presenting themselves at PAX, on their game’s site, and otherwise. Who failed? Marketting. Having played the beta since open I can attest that none of this is true.

    The job concept of FFXIV is that you literally get to build your own class. The only reason you only have two mage jobs is because, at open, that’s all you need. FFXI, at open, only had 6 jobs (two of which were mage jobs). Now they have 20.

    If I’m a gladiator with shield and sword and I want to kick the crap out of something then I can; but if I take up conj a few levels now when I play gladiator I have spells from conjurer that I can use like cure or blizzard. If I’m an archer but I want some of the more powerful pugilist abilities I can get them by taking up pugilist a few levels.

    As I’ve said before FFXIV is about the community, just as FFXI was. Is it for everyone? No.Is it wrong for people to dislike it? Absolutely not. I just wish people would be better informed before they share opinions about things they seriously know nothing about. If you choose not to play the game due to advertising you have a full right to; because SE is supposed to attract people via their advertising and if they don’t they’ve failed. Should you be explaining how the game works, the storyline, how the game plays just by a ten minute solo demo or watching one cutscene? Absolutely not. By those things you know nothing about the game. Absolutely nothing.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ISUQP3LNSMELRDJUYKLU2C7W5Q Menocu

    For those of you complaining that he is unfairly judging the game based on a 30 minute demo then go look around at what the people playing the beta are saying. Unless they do a major overhaul it looks like Spoony is right on the money. And given Square-Enix’s habit of late of not listening to fan input and making the kinds of game they would like I do not see that happening.

    It does hurt to say that. I used to be a lover of everything and anything Square-Enix. But they since took our love and abused it, making sup par games that may look pretty but don’t have the fun or the addicting gameplay of games they made 15 years ago. And that is quite sad. That and they seem to have a disdain for their consumers, especially the western ones. Even at E3 interviews they take their criticism and requests with an eye roll while spewing out the same corporate rhetoric they just said in their press conference.

    I do hope things change. There needs to be a major shake up within Square-Enix so someone can come in and bring them back to the days we all loved them and gleefully fought the haters to the death.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Trisha-Hicks/1071696473 Trisha Hicks

    I think I was the only one complaining about people giving invalid opinions, so I feel I should respond. I didn’t mean Spoony. And I didn’t mean FFXIV. I have explanations below but here’s the gist: If you quit Fable after the “kid” quests at the beginning because you thought it was boring, it is my personal belief that you should NOT really qualify to have an opinion about the ENTIRE Fable game. I relate this to people playing MMOs only for the newbie levels and quitting and then criticizing the entire game, of which they have played perhaps 3% of. If you think it’s wrong to feel that way, so be it.

    If you are a new user who does not care to dig for more information, then you probably will only have demos and PAX previews, so you will base your opinion of games you have seen upon that. And that is fine. We all don’t have the time/able PC/want to go out and start researching every interview, screenshot, and beta of these games. That’s reality. But, again this is just me, if I see two people arguing, one has played a demo of WOW and the other has played a month of WOW, I will be more inclined to side with the guy who played a month. Just me.

    And from my beta experience, played beta 2, 3, and now open, the game should not be released in September. Retainers don’t make sense and SE has said they won’t be releasing a search function until later, making it impossible to find an item you’re looking to buy. And retainers are so laggy… Some of my friends crash multiple times a night. Some of the quick / commands need to be refined, as well as the way some menus work. There are more problems, BIG problems in beta right now, and most of them you can chock up to being beta. But because the release is so soon, I’m betting a lot of these problems will carry over into release.

    Despite all of these flaws, I am having fun playing, and I plan on playing during release. I think the game will still be more of a sketch than a portrait, but I’ll be playing because it’s a great way to hang out with international friends. A lot of people won’t be playing, because it is NOT right to demand 12.95 a month for a sketch of a game. That’s just the way it is. You have every right to say eff you SE, maybe see you during PS3 release when you should suck less supposedly, or even to say, see you never.

    I am playing because I agree with the changes (from FFXI) of the core mechanics. I love botany for some reason. Soothing for the soul. xD And I like how crafting is interactive rather than 1. gather materials 2. hit OK. You can’t chat as easily while crafting now though, but I am spoiled with vent so no problemo. I like how my character is actually important to the story this time. I enjoy changing jobs on the fly. I’m not one effected by the surplus xp rumors and caps because I plan on changing jobs regularly, especially at the beginning, so I can craft my perfect thief character and assemble all of the different abilities from different classes. Which is another core mechanic change I love. You can’t really be told “you are this, you need these skills” by the community when you pick a job because it is so easy to say “but if I have x skill in that slot, I would have to replace my awesome cross class y skill” to which the community can only say “ooh.. sounds interesting. Let’s see how it works”. Eventually the community will find the perfect specs and ability sets for everything, but for now (which is especially why I want to play at release) things are peaceful in job selection-ville.

    So, from what I have played the game doesn’t suck. And unless they take everything I have mentioned and remove the ability to change jobs on the fly, use cross class skills, do botany, etc. the game, for me, will still not suck.

    But isn’t this a moot point? Tons of people love say, Beyond Good and Evil and then some people say “that game sucks!!” Tons of people say “I love FFX” and others say “ohmygosh I would rather stab myself in the eye with a spork”.

    Spoony will never be right or wrong. His opinion is it sucks. My opinion is different. For him, he is right. For me, I am right. This is the case with all things in life.

  • Anonymous

    lol Square prolly didn’t care about PAX seeing as how their open beta had allready been out for almost a month before PAX Started, and a week or so before the relase.

    I didn’t even watch anything about FFXIV at PAX because I figured that there was no new information on the game. I know when it’s coming out and I’ve been playing the beta for about 3 weeks so I know I like the game, so why watch anyhting on PAX about the game if it won’t tell me anything new?

    Any way thirty minutes of gameplay and a two minute trailer isn’t nearly enough to judge an MMO on one way or the other. Hell a week or even a month isn’t enough time. You won’t know if an MMO is good or not untill your max level doing endgame. Thats what really keeps you playing for several years, not the storyline or really even the PVP, even though PVP is a vary important part of any MMO. Moreover endgame is what will determine if your going to be playing the game for the next 3 to 5 years or not. Also if you don’t have the paticence or time to get to max level, then i don’t want to sound like an asshole but honestly MMORPGS are not for you, and if the game only takes two months for you to get to max level (WoW) it’s too easy and it sucks.

    One more thing In FFXI and XIV you only get one character (unless you pay for more). You do everything on that character, meaning your reputation in that community follows you on that character, therefore the comunity is significantly better in FF as apposed to other MMOs particularly WoW where you have little kids spaming stupid shit all over your chat logs.

    That’s just my thoughts on the subject. Any way keep up the good work Spoony One!!

  • Vanlan

    True for all new games, but Square Enix, if nothing else, is always pushing the envelope on graphics. It’s admirable to push technology like that, but it does put it out of reach for some. Personally, i wish they’d spend less time on graphics and more on game play.

    Not saying I’d ever buy Alien Ware. Way to expensive to start, and I know how to put a computer together, just lack the time and interest at the moment.

  • http://twitter.com/TheBladerunner9 Fred lake

    Im sorry if it seemed that i was having a go at people who liked FFIX it was not my intention. If you like FFIX then power to ya. I was simply slightly annoyed that people are getting annoyed that he based his opinions on a preview. If he cant have opinions on games that he played at this convention and give his initial impression, then there was absolutely no point in him going, and there is absolutely no point in conventions like PAX

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Panda-Mann/100001620785597 Panda Mann

    You can’t say it’s pathetic just because the tutorial sucks (as it often tends to do). Chances are that it’s going to be the best MMORPG of all time, since goddamn it’s Square making it and really, it just doesn’t make sense for the best game making company to make a bad game, especially one with their #1 brand on it. I really like your videos, but saying stuff like this is pretty straining. You should think about what you say a bit more, you’re going to anger a lot of people who love all the FF games.

    Actually, watching the pax video it looks pretty good. I mean if that’s the dullest they got I can’t wait to see the normal fights.

    Why do you call FFXIV pathetic even though you acknowledge the fact that this is pretty much the worst it has to offer (I agree that was horrible by SE but they probably want to save the real thing for the big Japanese gaming conventions). Really that last paragraph is just horribly ignorant and reflects a complete idiot which you obviously aren’t. I gotta say I’m a bit offended as I’m a huge fan of the company and especially the series and I’m looking forward to this coming on the PS3 (6 months later than PC god damn)

    • Anonymous

      Oh god, comment is hilarious.Do you think Square-Enix turds are gold too, because they come from the SE offices? SE died a long time ago, they’re still riding along from the reminiscent love of their older titles.Every FF from 8 was pathetic, excluding 9. FF11 was one of the most boring MMO’s of all time. And they made it. Expecting this to be great in the face of this portrayal of.. a boring gereric lump of MMO is just crazy. They’ve made a remake of 11, which is a huge mistake. Many people were disappointed with 11 and its gameplay and setting.Square have been cranking out pretty-looking turds for a long time. Frankly i’m amazed people still expect greatness from them.I love Square, I really do. They made some of the fondest gaming memories of my childhood.. but they’ve really fallen a long way riding the coat-tails of this ‘can do no wrong’ fanbase.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=704395302 Meagan Kellermann

    I agree with absolutely everything you say; both the good things and the bad things. FFXIV isn’t perfect and it’s not going to be for everyone. Some people are going to hate this game, and that’s fine. I don’t really want to play with people who hate a game I’m enjoying.

    My point to all of my replies here is that before you can truly give your opinion on a game you should explore it. Weighing ten minutes over a month is a very large difference in game experience. May I just point out that Spoony recently did a game review on Deadliest Warriors in which the game designers rebuttaled by stating that Spoony hadn’t played the game long enough to give it a proper review. He then responded with just how many hours he had spent on the game. He can’t do that with his review. He didn’t spend hours playing the game, testing out the fights, the levequests, the community, the missions, the crafting, and the job.

    I really don’t care if he hates the game. He has a right to, but hate the game because you’re INFORMED, not because your bias.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Trisha-Hicks/1071696473 Trisha Hicks

    I agree. That’s the point of PAX. You really have to take this simply as a PAX preview program the likes of which you’d seen on television. Everything is fairly temporary. Opinions can change like.. well, a snap of your fingers. And I don’t think you were having a go at XI players. I think your questions to FF players, especially XIV beta players was valid, so I responded with my own experiences. In a way too long winded way. Haha!

    Feathers will always be ruffled when a popular franchise is challenged in any way. C’est la vie. Especially on the internet. Heck, as a FFXIV fan, on a FFXIV fansite, I was getting flamed for making a “they took ‘er jobs” joke (South Park reference) about no thieves actually being in FFXIV. It was really obviously a joke, but I somehow managed to get a bunch of rabid otherwise intelligent people on my case. I don’t know why this happens. It’s a phenomenon.

  • Anonymous

    Well yeah but the only thing he has to base his opinion on this game IS the demo. The demo is meant to get people fired up about the finished product and tell people like us that they absolutely have to buy it. His point was, that Guild Wars put together a much better presentation than Final Fantasy.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Richard-Abbott/100000298506145 Richard Abbott

    So I take it you really enjoy shitty grindfests like FF11 and the new 14?

    And this isn’t biased bashing, the game looks shit, all the beta testers I’ve ever talked to say it’s just not interesting and by all the demos and footage I’ve seen of it it looks like total pants.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=704395302 Meagan Kellermann

    That’s the problem. He didn’t give his initial impression. He stated this opinion as FACT. He said the game was pathetic and that we shouldn’t buy it; but with such a large expanse of a game how can you judge it in only ten minutes. In the years that I’ve played FFXI I’ve spend 124 DAYS playing. Not hours. Days. How in the world can you judge a game that expansive by a 10 minute demo?

    I should probably just copy and paste this to everyone of my posts here. SE failed at marketing, and SE sucks for that. I truly believe that the only thing Spoony is informed enough about to review properly is the fact that SE were dicks at PAX and their marketing team made horrible decisions.

  • http://twitter.com/Yadokingu Sag Ichnet

    Soooo what you are saying is that I have to play through months of suck to see if the (end) game is good?
    No thank you. If I pay for something I’m not going to torture myself for months just to see if it might get good. Hell, even in real life there are only a few things that would be worth that.
    Obviously the creators of guildwars 2 agree with me there, as they are trying to eliminate grinding and make the game fun from the beginning.

  • Anonymous

    Are either of these games going to be available on the mac? No? Oh, ok then. *sigh*

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Trisha-Hicks/1071696473 Trisha Hicks

    That’s something that is undeniably true. I have noticed that some comments here are of the “I’ll have my cake and eat it too” variety. You can’t tell one person “don’t get mad that Spoony said he hates the game, it’s just a PAX preview” and also say “I have formed my opinion over a PAX preview”.

    But, as I said somewhere before, not everyone is going to go to all the fan sites, the beta tester web journals, etc. to find the truth. And moreso, not everyone has the PC needed to test the game themselves.

  • Anonymous

    Let’s see.. played the first final fantasy online.. I remember hating it. I remember it being clunky, hard to control, annoying and for the love of god the rabbit of death and giving up on it because literally it looked pretty but that was about it. A game can’t get by just by looking pretty. Fast forward to my recent stint in the ff14 beta which at this point pretty much premotional/playtest stage just because how soon the release date is going. It looks really pretty! Still.. it’s hard to control, clunky and just kinda throwing story and good looks at me to try and ignore the gameplay is boring! It’s not just Spoony who thinks FF14 is at best lackluster.

    Guild War, I remember playing guild wars 1 on release and in beta and giving up on it pretty much instantly. It didn’t have an mmo feel to it and I pretty much said to myself if I wanted to play Diablo 2 online I might as well play diablo 2 and not the original Guild Wars. Guild Wars 2 on the otherhand, has my curiosity perked, will it be any good? I dunno but from playing ff14 and just looking at Guild Wars 2 My money’s on Arena net. I’d rather start my Ultima online account again then play ff14 to be perfectly blunt.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Andres-ZombieMan-Guzman/100001028660386 Andres ZombieMan Guzman

    ”I’m a huge fan of the company ” key words that says ” I will buy and love anything that has the words Final Fantasy on it”

    Come on! Everybody knows that the series started to go downhill since FF 10. . . not to mention that they explode the hell out of FF 7 with a shitty plot less movie, a mediocre game called Crisis Core, a really bad game called Dirge of Cerberus . . . the only thing left its remaking FF7 and you know that they are gonna fuck that up too!

  • Anonymous

    ArenaNet have done nothing but improve their series over it’s lifespan, Eye of the North being the best mmo I’ve ever played so far, with absolutely superb graphics&views, music, gameplay and a pretty neat storyline to back it all up.
    Honest to God, I can not wait to play GW 2.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=704395302 Meagan Kellermann

    It’s really not the franchise for me. I could care less about whether people like the franchise, because honestly I’ve lived a life where I was the gamer girl and my friends just… weren’t. None of them like nor understand video games; and that’s fine.

    One of the reasons I’ve always enjoyed Spoony’s reviews is because their entertaining, but also because their logical and informed. I may not always agree with him, but at least I can think to myself that he got his opinion and is publicly sharing it because he’s experienced it; not just jumped to conclusions on bias. I truly believe that’s what he’s done here, and it makes me sad, because suddenly my enjoyment of Spoony’s reviews feels almost… superficial. It feels as if he’s betrayed his reviewing ethics. I really hope this isn’t a taste of the types of reviews we will be seeing from him in the future, because as I fan I just won’t be checking his site anymore. What’s the point if everything feels so misinformed?

  • Anonymous

    Will definitely be checking out GW2 thanks to you Spoony, looks awesome.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Andrew-Ciccaroni/72002282 Andrew Ciccaroni

    Best game making company? Really? They lost this title long ago, if they even had it to begin with. They’re not releasing the best video games right now by a long shot. Hell, calling Square the best video game company is like calling George Lucas the best writer of all time, sure he made Empire, but it was a fluke, since he hasn’t made a movie anywhere near that quality since then.

  • Anonymous

    Did you even watch the video past the generic boring MMO segment? He RAVED in glee about GW2.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michael-Bratcher/100000480151387 Michael Bratcher

    FFXIV looks amazing, and the story will probably be pretty good, judging from the beta.

    That’s about it. The combat feels clunky, the game runs at 15 fps on a good computer (Geforce 9600 GT, Athlon X2 5000+ here), the character creation is only a small step up from WoW, and again, the damn combat makes WoW look like Devil May Cry. Anyone still defending this ought to give the beta a shot.

  • Anonymous

    You know that every MMO is a grindfest, right? And probably I could find many beta testers, who like the game, so it’s hardly a deciding factor.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Andres-ZombieMan-Guzman/100001028660386 Andres ZombieMan Guzman

    Well I agree with you, chances are that this game is going to suck, I mean the Beta its shit!

    The thing with SE is that the company survives because it has a lot of fanboys and fangirls that would buy anything with the SE logo on it. . . I mean I have met people that have played FF 14 Beta, the only thing that they did the first half hour was walk and talk to people and by that point they where in love with the game. . . REALLY???

    And yes, I know that people is saying ” FF 14 is not for everyone” I know that its not… because some people like to play good games and FF14 is not for that people that have that ridiculous thing called Standards. . .

    • Anonymous

      Yes, FF (or ANY) games will sell millions of units just because of the fanboys/girls.

      “because some people like to play good games and FF14 is not for that people that have that ridiculous thing called Standards. . . ”
      Or maybe (just maybe) FF14 will be for people who like the game, even if it has its faults.

  • http://twitter.com/TheBladerunner9 Fred lake

    Well you say hes misinformed, but [Apart from various people commenting on here] I’ve heard NOTHING but bad things from all my friends who have played FFIX , and other reviewers and websites that i go to. So unless everyone is misinformed, I’d say spoony got it right on the ball with this one.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Andres-ZombieMan-Guzman/100001028660386 Andres ZombieMan Guzman

    There were people exited with the demos of other games like Portal 2 and Guild Wars 2. . . with the DEMOS!

    FF was a game that has a demo that suck and a beta game that sucks too! And still people is saying that deserves the benefit of the doubt when other games have showed less things than FF14 and look better!

    Of course having a Avatar that screams FF. that means that you probably would love that games regardless of how much will suck… and it will

  • Anonymous

    I’ve actually played FFXI since the 3rd expansion pack was released. I’ll defend it. I’ll also bash it. ProTip for trolls: People CAN find faults in things they like. I can understand that the old game’s looking long in the tooth, and they’ve got to find a way to move on and make something new for people to sink their cash into. I’d argue that these final 3…*ugh*….”mini-expansions” and the raising of the level cap from 75 to 99 in a little under 8 or 9 months time total (!) looks like one hell of a way to drive a final stake into the heart of the old game and get people to think “OK, now it’s done, time to move on”.

    But wow, they’re releasing 14 way too early. AND it still looks like “Final Fantasy 11-2″. Don’t argue about me when it comes to “but the class system is all different, and they’re just getting started”. I don’t care. “Oh, it’s solo-friendly, look, an NPC system!”. Again, DON’T CARE, especially since what the hell, you want to make a MMORPG solo-heavy? I’m getting some serious “Age of Conan” vibes from that thing, and it makes me not want to bother with it. Add on the rumors that SE is essentially trying to wedge in every forced “only allow the player X amount of time to do activity Y per week” trick they can into a game that you PAY A SUBSCRIPTION TO PLAY, and I’m just so full to the brim of unimpressed. Yah, Square? We’re already getting a taste of your “limited time to do crap per day” nonsense with the “Abyssea” areas. NOONE IS HAPPY WITH BEING LIMITED LIKE THAT.

    I don’t enjoy playing 11 as much as I used to. A couple years of doing variants of the same thing can do that to you. But I’ll keep riding that ol’ trainwreck til it comes to a complete final halt, and I get to wave a final goodbye to it. I’m not a huge Final Fantasy fan anymore. 13 was a boring abomination, and unlike Spoony, I can safely say that my declining feelings for this franchise zombie started around disc 4 of FF7. I’ve still put my time into 11, tho. Made some playmates, put effort into doing what the game had to offer, settled into it to the point where it’s the only real MMORPG I’ll really play these days. You know what? In a weird way, too, I see 11 as more of a “Final Fantasy” game than the other numbered ones they’ve released since 7, and a lot of it just feels like a “classic FF game” in tone. Kind of. FF14? Square would have to show me some serious goods to make me want to start all over on a game that looks just like the one I’ve player for years. And I seriously doubt they’ve got it in them anymore.

    PS: Oh, yah, by the way….fuck Square for making another MMORPG a “numbered game” in their series. Yah, you guys just keep pretending like somehow, the higher the number is after the title proves how awesome the series is. Remember when the joke from Back the the Future was how Jaws got into the double-digits? Yeeeah.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=704395302 Meagan Kellermann

    Yes, thank you. I’m aware of what a metaphor is. Ever here of a debating fallacy? Apparently not. Your point proved nothing and had absolutely no facts to back up your ‘metaphor.’ Therefore it’s invalid. It’s just an insult not a intelligent argument.

    On another note don’t insult my intelligence because you think that gives you the leg up. You obviously don’t know how much education I’ve had and therefore have no right to do so. You’re trying to win this argument with petty insults instead of intelligent arguments.

  • http://www.facebook.com/borkzz J.R. Skrobarcek

    You know nothing about Guild Wars 2 or the studio making it apparently. Jeff Strain, who is one of the original 3 founders, went to GDC one year and did a long speech on how developers need to quit designing a game to try and kill WoW and instead just make a good game. He left the studio to form a new one not long ago, but his outlook is shared with every other person at ArenaNet and it shows. Calling GW2 a WoW clone is idiotic and shows that you haven’t put much effort into actually looking into the game. WoW was not the first MMORPG so just because GW2 might have something that looks similar, that doesn’t make it a clone. It should also be noted that many of the people at ArenaNet came from Blizzard originally and some of them worked on WoW in its early stages so there will be a hint of that Blizzard flavor that they’ve brought with them from their time working there.

    There is a ton of information about Guild Wars 2 out there and if you did even the slightest bit of reading you’d realize that there’s a lot to be excited about. Everything from the large scale dynamic events that make the game feel alive and always changing to the smaller things like a lack of grind and that they’ve done away with things like kill stealing.

    If you like FFXIV that’s cool. But don’t go bashing GW2 just because someone felt they had a better showing at PAX and that it’s going to be a better game. And if you’re going to anyway at least go read up on the game so you don’t make an ass of yourself.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=704395302 Meagan Kellermann

    I never said that people who dislike the game are misinformed. I stated that Spoony is misinformed and therefore can’t give an unbiased review. If your friends dislike the game because they’ve played for a few hours then their opinions are validated.

    Many people on this site, not all, but many, are forming their opinions on hear say, a 10 minute demo, or a 7 minute trailer.It’s horrible for SE because for every positive experience only 5 people hear about it and for every negative experience 10 people hear about it.

    What I’m saying is that for Spoony to give the caliber of a review that we’ve grown to expect he should spend time playing it. Otherwise he’s cheating himself by making some of the statements he’s made.

  • Anonymous

    I’ve actually played FFXI since the 3rd expansion pack was released. I’ll defend it. I’ll also bash it. ProTip: People CAN find faults in things they like. I can understand that the old game’s looking long in the tooth, and they’ve got to find a way to move on and make something new for people to sink their cash into. I’d argue that these final 3…*ugh*….”mini-expansions” and the raising of the level cap from 75 to 99 in a little under 8 or 9 months time total (!!) looks like one hell of a way to drive a final stake into the heart of the old game and get people to think “OK, now it’s done, time to move on”.

    But wow, they’re releasing 14 way too early. AND it still looks like “Final Fantasy 11-2″. Don’t argue about me when it comes to “but the class system is all different, and they’re just getting started”. I don’t care. “Oh, it’s solo-friendly, look, an NPC system!”. Again, DON’T CARE, especially since what the hell, you want to make a MMORPG solo-heavy? I’m getting some serious “Age of Conan” vibes from that thing, and it makes me not want to bother with it. Add on the rumors that SE is essentially trying to wedge in every forced “only allow the player X amount of time to do activity Y per week” trick they can into a game that you PAY A SUBSCRIPTION TO PLAY, and I’m just so full to the brim of unimpressed. Yah, Square? We’re already getting a taste of your “limited time to do crap per day” nonsense with the “Abyssea” areas. NOONE IS HAPPY WITH BEING LIMITED LIKE THAT.

    I don’t enjoy playing 11 as much as I used to. A couple years of doing variants of the same thing can do that to you. But I’ll keep riding that ol’ trainwreck til it comes to a complete final halt, and I get to wave a final goodbye to it. I’m not a huge Final Fantasy fan anymore. 13 was an abomination, and unlike Spoony, I can safely say that my declining feelings for this franchise zombie started around disc 4 of FF7. I’ve still put my time into 11, tho. Made some playmates, put effort into doing what the game had to offer, settled into it to the point where it’s the only real MMORPG I’ll really play these days. You know what? In a weird way, too, I see it as more of a “Final Fantasy” game than the other numbered ones they’ve released since 7, and a lot of it just feels like a “classic FF game” in tone. Kind of. FF14? Square would have to show me some serious goods to make me want to start all over on a game that looks just like the one I’ve player for years. And I seriously doubt they’ve got it in them anymore.

    And yes, I’ve got friends who’ve been trying to suck me into the beta. People I’ve known for well over a decade in some cases. Some of these are people who have even managed to convince me to try such turkeys as “Phantasy Star Universe”. I’ve turned these people down, in the case of FF14. Just that much “meh”, in this case.

    PS: Oh, yah, by the way….fuck Square for making another MMORPG a “numbered game” in their series. Yah, you guys just keep pretending like somehow, the higher the number is after the title proves how awesome the series is. Remember when the joke from Back the the Future was how Jaws got into the double-digits? Yeeeah.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/KJ5MUTZE5X4QF3HB72YQI5XR6M Chris

    Fanboy alert everyone hide.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Conrad-Tolczynski/1693099003 Conrad Tolczynski

    Ok I have have always been a final fantasy fan boy. since I was a kid I worshiped the ground it walked on and played it every day. I always thought spoony was kinda hard on FF games but I was entertained so who was I to get mad. I consider myself a huge J-RPG fan Person series is by far the best out there for J-RPG’s now days everything else has started to descend into self parody… and as much as it pains me to say it I think spoony is right. its time to put Final Fantasy out of its misery its gone on long enough. they are not good anymore. I BARELY enjoyed FF13 and that was on the pure fact it was Final Fantasy I see now. I think I am done feeding the beast that is Final Fantasy. I will not be buying 14 or any of the ones to come. I will be sitting waiting for persona 5 to come out because in my mind persona is what J-RPG’s have to be now. the basic cookie cutter plot of every single Jrpg has been ridden into the ground. smothered and shot in the head about a 1000 times. don’t come back at me saying every J-RPG has its own unique story I know they all have unique variations of the same story. guy is hero, guy has friend who is girl, is either in love with her or she is in love with his brother/ what ever evil authority betrays the main group or has always been there target. 20 hours of walking around in uninspired uninteresting backdrops that they call towns. I can not play a single JRPG these days without predicting the next plot twist every 2 mins. Persona has somehow made talking to the NPC’s interesting, fun AND a reward in combat AND made a combat system that keeps you on your toes. I can’t wait for guild wars 2 and I am still waint on persona 5 but I am done with Final Fantasy.

  • Anonymous

    He didn’t like the game but I think his rant was a bit unnecessary. That was pretty harsh a criticism for a game that’s incomplete. If he didn’t like the demo fine bad on the part of square but pissing on the whole game like that and saying not to buy it seemed more like he just had a personal grudge against it because they blew him off. FFonline isn’t my cup of tea but when it comes to MMO’s you can’t just watch 10 seconds of it and make a call or see a few clips of it and speak for the entire game. That be like watching someone get to level 2 in WoW running around in the starting area killing wolves and then making a judgment about the entire game. You just can’t do that with an MMO these games are about development. Beginning levels and cap levels are 2 different games in MMO’s. Personally I think the review was a bit biased against no it was biased against the game and the franchise. It would of been smarter for him to say that the game seemed to be underdeveloped when compared to other demo’s he saw and lacking certain features that most people might enjoy in an mmo from what he saw and then leave it at that. The way he carried on about a game still in the works wasn’t necessary. It was more of just bashing than a review. I wouldn’t pick up FF14 because it’s not my taste but I think that was the wrong type of reaction to have for a game that you haven’t actually played thoroughly.

  • http://twitter.com/Micharus Micharus

    “I’m not on the forums, bashing TOR/GW2 because they are WoW clones. Nope, I spend my time in the forums for the games I care to play, like FFXIV.”

    So let me see if I understand this correctly. You spend your time on websites that will only reinforce your own opinions about games that you like, yet everyone else is ignorant and mindlessly biased. Is that what you’re saying?

    Because if that’s true, your username certainly doesn’t stand for “general intelligence factor”.

  • http://www.facebook.com/Matsuringo24 Brian Campbell

    I really don’t get why people are so opinionated these days (I suppose it’s the keyboard and anonymity), the point where they will rage in each others faces over simple things.

    People
    Like
    Different
    Things

    I never used to go around telling people they were retarded for liking their sega genesis. Even with games I very much dislike and cannot even imagine why another would play them (SMT series, Mass Effect for example,) I don’t butt into a conversation about it and call their game pathetic.

    Now that all was more aimed at the spoony zealots about the thread. I know it’s Spoony’s site and we’re inclined to hear his opinion. I don’t blame him for his opinion and I respect the fact that his tastes differ. I think it’s much to ask of him to recommend he check out a game he doesn’t find interesting, or suggest he change his mind.

    On the other side of that coin Mr. Spoony one, it’s not very nice or civil to call a game pathetic just because you don’t like it. Saying you don’t like it is fine, but calling it outright shit is no better than name calling.

    Play the MMO that looks most interesting to you. There’s no need to justify why, or try and change a fan of another game’s mind. Just let bygones be bygones and most importantly, PLAY.

  • http://thedrakkongrimoire.blogspot.com/ NDrakkon

    While I agree with you that pretty much all MMOs require grinding to some degree there are differences. For some the grinding doesn’t start until higher levels, or the grinding is mostly in certain parts of the game where exp rewards from quests/kills are not enough compared to the exp curve of leveling up the character. It really depends on several factors, first amongst them the amounts of exp required for subsequent character level-ups.

    I think you’re going wide of the above commenter’s point. The people he has talked to gave him a bad impression of the game (presumably they are people he knows and values their opinion) and the demos and footage he has seen reinforce his opinion. He is stating his opinion. If you like the game and know others who like the game, good for you, but I doubt that will change his opinion. The way you talk about a “deciding factor” its almost as if you’re mistaking his opinion for him stating a fact.

    Really though the only thing people should be worried about is whether they want to play or like the game. Arguing over differing opinions never ends well.

    From this video and the few things I’ve looked at elsewhere I’d say FF XIV isn’t my cup of tea. It looks beautiful but I know my PC couldn’t handle it and I favour rpg stories where I can have dialogue decisions, which have not been in any of the Final Fantasy games I’ve played. Having not played the online ones I don’t know if they include branching dialogue, but most MMOs fail on that one. What I’m looking for is an MMORPG that allows me to play the role of a character, allows me to decide how I respond to NPCs, rather than just the options of accepting the quest or cancelling and being unable to continue the story without going back and clicking accept the second time around.

    I can’t say I know anything more about GW2 than what I’ve seen here but it certainly does seem to be more my thing. Even a small chance of having my actions affect the game world around me interests me. As does the one payment, no subscription (Cheap Scotsman alert!). Plus I’ve always favoured the more European medieval fantasy style over the JRPG style, which while beautiful and breathtaking as graphics advance, seems too clean for my tastes. Am I the only one who thinks there should be mud and rain somewhere in that FF video? Perhaps British weather has tainted my perceptions, but the guy in the armour walking along the cliff path should have mud on his boots.

    Wow, I really rambled on.

  • Anonymous

    This man makes a good point. Even at E3 went around bashing games and I think Angry Joe got a bit annoyed because that’s all Spoony talked about was too much of what he hated and what he didn’t like. It’s good to have pos and negative reviews but sometimes you should pick something that you like and rave about it than just making a vid about something you completely hate. If there were games there that blew his mind he should of just did some vids about those games than trying to find something he already knows he isn’t interested in from the start. Just like the “deadliest warrior video he did”. We all knew the game sucked but he did a video on it because it sucked (which was obvious that it would suck). Stuff like that is what gets old. Purposely seeking out something to rant what makes people think he doesn’t like anything. Yeah he does positive reviews but what does that say if 65% of your material are negative reviews?

  • http://twitter.com/TheBladerunner9 Fred lake

    Well i seem to have started, unintentionally, an arguement so id just like to say this. Quite alot of people complaining on this video seem to have final fantasy pictures[forgive me if im wrong] as their profile pictures, and most of them seem to be long time fans of the series. So you can say spoony is unfairly bias, but aren’t you too? I say this because not many people seemed to mind when spoony said epic mickey or duke nukem weren’t very good, but as soon as something about final fantasy is said hundreds of people rush to defend it? I think you guys would love FFIX if it was a Kart Racer. But hey thats my opinion. You cant say spoony is wrong and I cant say spoony is right either, simply because this game isnt out yet. So lets see how this games turns out, but from what i’ve heard from many different people, its not going to turn out well.

  • http://twitter.com/nolanmcgarry Kefkaesque

    I love how some people are making the defence “but you only saw the tutorial battle.” Even if it IS just a tutorial, it shows off the battle system. Unless the system drastically redesigns itself, a boring system is going to STAY boring.

    Wait, hold on. I’ll go check out some high-level play on youtube, hold on…

    …Noooope. Still looks like the most awful, awkward, everyone-stands-around-looking-bored fighting I’ve seen from a game in a long time.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jeremie-Caisse/100000114247204 Jeremie Caisse

      Yet its not different from the original Guild Wars, WoW and so many other games. I have yet to see a single game that breaks that mold. People that whines about FFXIV doesn’t realize that it ALWAYS come down to pressing button and doing basic melee damage. People are fooling themselves if they think the upcoming MMORPGs including many others I look forward to will break that rule and due to the design of MMORPGs, its basically the way it works.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jeremie-Caisse/100000114247204 Jeremie Caisse

      Yet its not different from the original Guild Wars, WoW and so many other games. I have yet to see a single game that breaks that mold. People that whines about FFXIV doesn’t realize that it ALWAYS come down to pressing button and doing basic melee damage. People are fooling themselves if they think the upcoming MMORPGs including many others I look forward to will break that rule and due to the design of MMORPGs, its basically the way it works.

  • Anonymous

    You sound like you’re completely oblivious about who Spoony is and what he does and has always done.

    • http://www.facebook.com/Matsuringo24 Brian Campbell

      Oh, trust me, I’ve watched everything he’s put out (both good and bad) and the FF8 and FF10 series are my favorites by far. I’m not shocked in the least by his comments or opinions. My post more aims at the people squabbling back and forth in this topic. In the context of his video, I’d expect him to hate this game and express it as well as he usually does, however making a post to keep on drilling on it after seeing everyone in this discussion being so heated in the debate is just in bad taste.

  • Anonymous

    “That be like watching someone get to level 2 in WoW running around in the starting area killing wolves and then making a judgment about the entire game.”

    Sounds like a pretty fucking accurate judgement if you ask me. Except you don’t get shown that it gets even MORE boring once you hit 80. Why the fuck I stuck it out to there thinking it would improve at that point I’ll never know.

  • Anonymous

    In defense of Final Fantasy all MMO’s have their grinds and their differences. You have to choose your poison. FF has it’s own fan base that likes that type of MMO style. That game is made to cater to them. Some people like the point and click styles you have Wow,everquest,LOTR and games like that…those games are for you. Some people like the cutesy art styles so you have games like Maple Story and MMO’s like that. Some people don’t like grinding and want a story with an ending so you have online Games like Guild Wars that offer you that. Some people want a combination of all of these so you have games like Shin Megami Tensei Online (which is freaking amazing) and you can play that. What Spoony didn’t seem to get is that MMO’s come in different play styles. FFconsole games and FFMMO games are two completely different monsters. You can’t go into FFonline expecting the same play you get in their console games. It just doesn’t work that way. It’s a completely different style of game. To people not into FFonline that game might look like trash but to those who enjoy that style of MMOrpg’s it might look heaven sent.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/John-Italiano/522497712 John Italiano

    Spoony expresses his opinion as critic, to entertain us, and express his informed opinion on the game before we blow $60 on it. It’s fine to disagree with his opinion, and express that opinion. However when you challenge his journalistic integrity as a reviewer, calling him biased, viewing said game series as a sacred gem, you are slapping him in the face.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/John-Italiano/522497712 John Italiano

    FF IV, VII, and XIII off the bat are engaging and exciting, even in the begining if the game when your just mashing attack, with occasional spells.

  • Anonymous

    I love how people get butthurt about Spoony calling FF14 pathetic and act like this is new behaviour for Spoony!

    Does this quote sound familiar? “Final Fantasy 8 sucks and you suck for liking it.”

    So yeah, maybe watch a few more videos so you know what you’re talking about or crawl to TGWTG where you came from.

  • Anonymous

    I’ve only played 2 FF games in my life, so you can’t really say, that I’m a fan. The avatar shows that I like that particular character, this doesn’t mean that I like every FF game. I’m sure that I won’t play FF14 either, since I don’t like MMOs. But I just hate when people call games shit when those are not even ready. Yes there was a badly crafted demo at PAX, a demo of a game in beta state. I saw a lot of shitty demos in the past decade which showed that the final game might suck, but when it was finally released, people liked it. So excuse me if I give it the benefit of the doubt. (Just for the record, I saw tons of good demos, but the final versions of these games turned out bad.)

  • http://www.facebook.com/Matsuringo24 Brian Campbell

    Erm, I don’t think I said he was biased, if you ever caught that vibe. But honestly, he is. He said it himself, he can never be completely objective and nor can most internet ‘critics.’

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/John-Italiano/522497712 John Italiano

      Sorry, I wasn’t trying to attack you. To clarify I was in a way agreeing with you, in a way bashing the blind FF Zealots, as opposed to more reasonable fans. I’m an intelligent FF fanboy, I won’t automatically concede that every game is a master piece. The only FF I didn’t enjoy were 3, 11, 12 and 14. For all people defending the game b/c they enjoy it that’s fine. For the people defending it as if it were perfect, and attacking Spoony’s integrity, it’s just unfair to him as a critic.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/John-Italiano/522497712 John Italiano

      Sorry, I wasn’t trying to attack you. To clarify I was in a way agreeing with you, in a way bashing the blind FF Zealots, as opposed to more reasonable fans. I’m an intelligent FF fanboy, I won’t automatically concede that every game is a master piece. The only FF I didn’t enjoy were 3, 11, 12 and 14. For all people defending the game b/c they enjoy it that’s fine. For the people defending it as if it were perfect, and attacking Spoony’s integrity, it’s just unfair to him as a critic.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Andrew-Ciccaroni/72002282 Andrew Ciccaroni

    In my defense, how was I supposed to know about the building your own class. There’s nothing on their own website that says that. I was giving them a valid chance to sell me on their game, and it didn’t. I saw what appears to be the same system as FF11 with shiny new graphics. But I should be able to find out about the game by going to its website. If I can’t trust them to make a decent website, why should I trust them to make a decent game?

    Their website did not make me want to play, and I will not play it. In fact, the website made me remember the few things I liked about FF11 and miss them more than inspire me to play 14. Yes, marketing failed, but just because a fan decided to tell me these features doesn’t mean I’m going to play a game made by a company thats too lazy to even represent their game well on their own website, where I was going multiple times over the past few months and pretty much saying, “Why should I buy this game?” and the answer I found was, “I shouldn’t”

  • http://www.facebook.com/tjmac510 Travis McCollum

    I’m not gonna argue the whole FF14 thing anymore because you wanna know my position? Click “Load more comments.”

    Instead I will list out some MMOs that were much better than FF14 at PAX that I played:
    -Tera
    -KOTOR
    -End of Nations
    -Rift
    -Lord of the Rings Online
    -Dungeons and Dragons Online
    -Lego Universe
    -Marvel Super Hero Squad MMO
    -Torchlight 2

    Just to name a few

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/John-Italiano/522497712 John Italiano

    Blind loyalty stains your vision. No game company is perfect.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Andrew-Ciccaroni/72002282 Andrew Ciccaroni

    Lol, but people loved that review! It was so long and he took so much time to make it, how can he take ten minutes of gameplay and decide a game is bad? Other than the fact that if I’m totally bored in ten minutes of full gameplay after buying a game, I generally stop playing. If I’m reading a book and within the first 5 chapters it has not captured my interest in any way, you know what I do? I put it down. If in ten minutes of combat gameplay I am already bored of a combat system, the game is not going to be fun to me.

    And we all know that spoony has made these types remarks before, I don’t see why people are now looking and saying “This is the last straw!” because, if you don’t like what he’s doing now, why have you been coming to his site, he’s not done much in terms of other things recently, and I’m fine with that.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Paulius-Kiausinis/100001528791767 Paulius Kiausinis

    1:40 yea wtf hahaha

  • Anonymous

    I have to admit, I’ve been a huge Final Fantasy fan since its glory days on the SNES. I play each and every new one hoping that Square will figure out how to make the games not suck a bag of dicks, and every time I’m completely and totally disappointed. I also hopped into the FF 14 open beta when it opened up, eager to see what the game was all about. It is, bar none, the worst game I’ve ever played. Nothing works. The game is plagued with bugs, the combat system is barely functional and horrendously slow, crafting is an idiotic game of hot and cold with obfuscated hints and the game itself is just a nonstop grind just like FF XI was.

    To top things off, the world feels completely empty and dead. I’m not talking about lack of players, and there certainly is no lack of those on the server I chose. I mean there is absolutely nothing going on in the world. Every NPC just stands there glued to their spot, the quest hubs have all of 3 NPCs in them, the fields which should be full of monsters will have maybe 10 in one small spot, then you can run 200 yards (I’m sorry, ‘yalms’) in any direction and not see a single thing that’s not a rock or grass.

    Not that there’s any content engaging enough to make you want to venture out there anyway, since quests have A TWO DAY WAITING PERIOD. I’m serious, there are all of half a dozen starter quests, and you can only do them once every two days. What’s more, they’re timed and if you fuck up, you can’t try it again!

    This game is garbage from the ground up. Pass.

    This game is every bit as awful as Spoony said it was, and then some. I guess I’m waiting for Guild Wars 2 and The Old Republic.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PGSXTIHLJ6B54YY7JAXLO4B5WQ Jason K

    Heh, I find that funny. All I saw were nekos.
    What’s even more humorous is GW2 displays severeal times in their demos a feline race that can classify as “furry.” Yet you magically don’t bring that up. Is it because there is a bias for your beloved MMORPG ?
    ~blantant condescending tone~
    Yes, I think so. I really do.

    Sorry, had to single out that little brilliant display of stupidity.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/John-Italiano/522497712 John Italiano

    You owned his ass!

  • Anonymous

    I think the butt-hurt FF fans only say that you can’t tell that the final game will suck or not from a demo. But Spoony can, since he is a genious.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Peter-Concannon/100000468643527 Peter Concannon

    i think its a little sad that fucking LEGO UNIVERSE pwns FFXIV. Just saying.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WP6PLQ5AP6YIDNH4ND6NA5D5ZQ Scott

    Can we please stop buying Final Fantasy games? The last good one was VII and they won’t get any better at this rate. I really want Square-Enix to make a great Final Fantasy game but they won’t unless we refuse to buy their crap and start demanding quality games.

  • Anonymous

    People will stop buying these games when they think they are bad. Modern Warfare 2 sucked, yet people purchased millions of it, because they though that the game is good.

    As for what was the last good FF, you can’t say that VII was the last good one, since other fans say that 6 was the last good one, while other say that 10 takes the crown.

  • Anonymous

    And you think that saying “you suck because you like a game” is normal? I like Spoony’s videos, but when he says things like this, I could kick him in the face.

  • Anonymous

    Funny, because kicking people in the face is my usual impulse when the Final Fantasy bumboys start up.

  • http://twitter.com/admiralzbornak Brian Stevenson

    Having played the open beta, I have to say that I’ve never ever cancelled a pre-ordered game… until this one. It’s basically a wreck of not only programming, but also of concept. I also resent being asked to pay beta this game for its vaunted ps3 release.

    SE doesn’t care about my feedback or input. They boasted their lack of research in the market and refusal to solicit feedback on their game’s experience, so why the hell should I pay them money for such a colossal conceptual, programming and gaming experience failure?

    No thanks. Me and my not-wanted input will go elsewhere.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Christopher-Alden/100000469737019 Christopher Alden

    It’s not his job to be objective. In fact, it’s pretty much his job to not be objective. His job is to share his opinions.

  • Renaissance_nerd

    The Final Fantasy series is on life support, and no amount of denial by the fanboys is going to change that. Square do us all a favor and pull the plug, it’ll be a mercy killing.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Christopher-Alden/100000469737019 Christopher Alden

    I think Guild Wars II might get my toes back in the MMO pool.

    FFIV, OTOH, looks like shit. The thing that struck me most was the other character fighting the mobs there… the model just kind of walked casually around and waved an axe. Didn’t look like an actual fight at all.

  • Anonymous

    “The Final Fantasy series is on life support”

    Proof?

  • Anonymous

    Your answer has nothing to do with the fact that it’s not normal to talk down on people because they like a game, but hey…nice try.

  • Renaissance_nerd

    how about the fact that FFXIII was in the bargin bin in japan 2 weeks after release

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Pete-Fowler/512872859 Pete Fowler

    Wait are you serious? That’s really sad if that’s true..

  • Anonymous

    Damn, Guild Wars 2 makes me wish the day had 48 hours so I had enough time to go to college, have a job, go working out AND play an MMO. Some epic stuff.

    I have been into Final Fantasy VII and liked IX to a degree, but I can´t say I ever played anything else extensively. Can´t say I regret it.

  • Anonymous

    Oh Square Enix… =(
    What have you become…?

    In other news –
    HOLY FUCKING CRAP GUILD WARS 2 LOOKS FREAKING AWESOME!!! 8D

    I’ve never been interested in MMO’s because of all the things that you listed. But if they’re going to get rid of that stuff then I say “I’m trading in all of my games toward the purchase of this game and getting my tent set up in front of Gamestop, because I’m going to get this game if it’s the last thing I ever do.”

  • Anonymous

    Oh Square Enix… =(
    What have you become…?

    In other news –
    HOLY FUCKING CRAP GUILD WARS 2 LOOKS FREAKING AWESOME!!! 8D

    I’ve never been interested in MMO’s because of all the things that you listed. But if they’re going to get rid of that stuff then I say “I’m trading in all of my games toward the purchase of this game and getting my tent set up in front of Gamestop, because I’m going to get this game if it’s the last thing I ever do.”

  • Anonymous

    Hey if you’re having fun with it power to you and it’s great that you can admit it’s not the best, like I really enjoyed FF13, but I can admit it’s a steaming pile of horse crap. I still think you can judge an MMO way before a weeks play, because you’ll be able to tell if it has weak gameplay, graphics, etc.

  • Anonymous

    Hey if you’re having fun with it power to you and it’s great that you can admit it’s not the best, like I really enjoyed FF13, but I can admit it’s a steaming pile of horse crap. I still think you can judge an MMO way before a weeks play, because you’ll be able to tell if it has weak gameplay, graphics, etc.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Andres-ZombieMan-Guzman/100001028660386 Andres ZombieMan Guzman

    ”Yes, FF (or ANY) games will sell millions of units just because of the fanboys/girls. ” You just said it!

    ”Or maybe (just maybe) FF14 will be for people who like the game, even if it has its faults.”
    Thats what fanboys are all about! Look at Guild Wars 2, it looks superior to FF 14 in every aspect and you can play it FREE! Hell, the new star wars and Star Trek games look better than FF 14 too!

    And yet the fanboys would rather pay for a inferior game just to playing something that have the brand Final Fanta$y on it.

    I mean, in the last E3 there weren’t showing anything good about Final Fanta$y 14, just people running around and talking to people and yet the people who play it claimed that it was the most awesome game ever!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Kai-Wong/7947956 Kai Wong

    I’m a huge fan of FFXI, and I’m looking at FFXIV only casually, but everything that Spoony says is right. At the same time, FFXIV might not be as crappy as you think. It’s crap, but only because no one knows how to present itself.

    Let me explain: FFXI is and probably always be the MMO I look back on most fondly, even though the gameplay itself is crap. This is a recent trend with the FF’s, probably starting from like 7. The games do a good job creating a world, with amazing music and a sense of immersion. Characters may be crap, along with game mechanics, but ever since FF went 3-D its’ never been about action: it’s about the world itself, and being part of it.

    So when it comes to demos, of course it’s gonna be crap. I knew it even before they showed it that the demo was going to be crap. Why? Take a look at what it can show:
    1. PvP: Games like GW2 or WoW can show people fighting each other with “ACTION” written all over it. FF has never been about PvP, so all attempts like that are auto-fail.
    2. PvE: Despite all the PR bullshit about FFXIV being different, it’s still going to be a group-centric game. Solo grinding in FFXI was never fun or exciting, and doing some sort of co-ordinated thing with other people at PAX was probably ‘too much work’ (i.e. lazyness). And the whole “oh, why don’t you show high level fights and stuff”? Because they don’t want to spoil not only the story-line (I mean, who wants to play 6 months later only to realize the first raid boss is the demo one?), but also things they might reveal later.

    All they really could do was show the immersive world (which failed, given the amount of noise/traffic) and hope that the world was intriguing enough to play. So yeah, demos of it are going to blow chunks in a large setting. I’m not defending them (S-E has horrible PR, doesn’t care about its’ games, are just dumb), but you got to realize that it was doomed to fail from the start.

  • Anonymous

    Would you like some cheese with that Whine? Most of your posts reek of a fanboy crying out that somebody dared give either the great Square Enix or it’s incestuous franchise Final Fantasy a damn good dressing down. Personally I DID play FF-11 and it sucked. It suffered from boring game play and a complete lack of atmosphere.

    Oh and before you praise FFXIV for having a story. Please go look at some of the other MMOs on the market and actually look at the features of upcoming releases. FFXIV is going to be buried in short order.

    Thank God is all I can say.

  • http://www.facebook.com/rolland.therrien Rolland Therrien

    My MMO Poisons of Choice are Lord of the Rings Online and City of Heroes. And from what I’ve seen, I might be tempted to try Guild Wars 2.

    Although you couldn’t pay me to try FF14.

  • Anonymous

    “how about the fact that FFXIII was in the bargin bin in japan 2 weeks after release”
    That’s hardly a proof. Psychonauts (one of the best game of all time) got to the bargain bin pretty fast (it was a shame).

    “how about more and more people are willing to condemn the FF games now. ”
    I bet there are more people who don’t condemn these games. Of course their opinion doesn’t matter since they must be fanboys. Right…

    “how about PAX where Square clearly didn’t even try to sell the game and is running on fanboy fumes ”
    So what if the PAX demo was shitty? Some studios didn’t even attended to PAX, because they only go to E3, GC, an TGS.

    I’m not saying that the latest FF games are the best ever, because they are not, but stating that they are dead and every recent FF sucks, is plain stupid. Just look at the sales numbers and the reviews (even the not to good FXII stands on 82-85 on gamerankings).

  • Anonymous

    Not even close to the reality of the world.

  • Anonymous

    “I mean, in the last E3 there weren’t showing anything good about Final Fanta$y 14, just people running around and talking to people and yet the people who play it claimed that it was the most awesome game ever! ”
    Now that’s stupid, I admit that.

    “Thats what fanboys are all about!”
    But that’s silly. Even if a game is not perfect, and has its faults, there are a lot of people who can enjoy them. They don’t have to be fanboys for that. I bought Alpha Protocol, which got mediocre reviews and was buggy. But I liked it. You must be an elitist if you only like perfect games, with 90+ reviews.

  • Anonymous

    “I mean, in the last E3 there weren’t showing anything good about Final Fanta$y 14, just people running around and talking to people and yet the people who play it claimed that it was the most awesome game ever! ”
    Now that’s stupid, I admit that.

    “Thats what fanboys are all about!”
    But that’s silly. Even if a game is not perfect, and has its faults, there are a lot of people who can enjoy them. They don’t have to be fanboys for that. I bought Alpha Protocol, which got mediocre reviews and was buggy. But I liked it. You must be an elitist if you only like perfect games, with 90+ reviews.

  • Anonymous

    You don’t understand it because it’s now aimed at Gays, Furries, and Women, not you Spooney! I loved the old Nintendo FF games for the Nintendo, but they have completely lost me over the past decade +. I don’t relate to them, the stories are confusing and boring and WAAAYYY to emo. I think FF is the “Twilight” of games now, with a bunch of rabid fans who either play out of loyalty (hoping for better someday) or do not think like normal people.

  • http://twitter.com/admiralzbornak Brian Stevenson

    Dude, check yourself before *I* wreck you. I’m a ‘mo and I can’t stand this crap either. Don’t be hatin like that.

  • Anonymous

    go back 2 4chan.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_H27GU7263JYTUREXFIBPP3JZN4 Steven Whyte

    While FFXIV may not be a good game and GW2 really good, this was by far one of your worst videos. When I watch something like this I want to know about the actual games, not someone downright insulting something because it wasn’t presented very well then pairing it off with another game which looks equally as bad and praising that since it was better represented. This factor is unimportant when I want to see games coverage. Its not like If I buy GW2 I’ll get the PAX booth included complete with reps telling me how awesome it is and in no way is it a non-mmo wow clone.

    Stick your coverage videos on another site like you did with WrestleWrestle please. I’d rather see actual Spoony reviews and playthroughs than very unprofessional coverage of these events.

  • Anonymous

    I wholeheartedly agree Spoony, my friend is in the beta of Final Fantasy XIV, and I watched him play it for about 2 hours, and the only amusement I got from it was the fact that I named his character “Well Endowed”. The game looks very boring and lifeless, and overall just a pointless game.

  • Anonymous

    i love it! XD every time you talk smack about final fantasy the video gets at least 7 times as many comments :P

  • http://www.facebook.com/Treima Jimi Alexander

    “Final Fantasy 14 is pathetic, and anyone who’s still sticking up for it in the face of all the games I’ve previewed so far is absolutely devoted to fooling themselves.”

    I think you’re crossing the line on that one. You didn’t like it. You didn’t like the way you were treated at the Square Enix booth. That’s valid, that’s fine, I understand that, but can you honestly say that you expect the rest of the game to behave like the tutorial? I thought one of the key selling points of MMOs is that they are continually patched, improve over time, and problems are rectified as they pop up with extensive testing and customer feedback. Can you HONESTLY say that FFXIV is going to somehow not do this?

    I agree with you that Guild Wars 2 is impressive and continues to look more amazing every time they show more of it, but I think at this point you’re just milking the Final Fantasy hate.

    /fanboy

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Calvin-Jarchow/1131125364 Calvin Jarchow

    its the comment number of the beast! i must advance it!

  • Anonymous

    What do you want him to say? “It was a terrible, terrible demo. The game looks incredibly boring. But it might turn into an action-packed adventure at an unspecified future date!!” Dude, he’s not the Reviewer of Christmas Yet To Come, able to show us the future that could be.

  • http://twitter.com/LikChan Lik Chan

    HAHAHA, I always love Spoony’s rants, especially for FF14. Not surprised the S-E people treated you like shit since you’re not from a major gaming site or magazine publication. They’re too big for their britches.

  • Anonymous

    Amen to that. If anything, Atlus and its Shin Megami Tensei series should be the JRPG superstars, not Square Enix and its massive sellout of Final Fantasy titles. It’s funny, really..Every SMT game I’ve played, even Nocturne, have a better blend of story and gameplay, both high quality, than any modern Final Fantasy game I’ve fucking played.

    It’s like gaming is becoming a popularity contest. The guys who make the GOOD games aren’t the ones who win the market. Oh no. It’s the ones who cater only to the masses, and that’s usually as simple as brand recognition. Thanks to that, they barely even need to try.

    I just love how whenever this shit is brought up, there are always some people who are all “But Final Fantasy has sold MILLIONS. It’s not dead”, but fail to realize that just because a game is popular doesn’t mean it’s a good game.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Samuel-Davidson/100000826167034 Samuel Davidson

    Thats the trick with MMO’s, you show the cool stuff a fair bit down the line from the starting zone not the dull opener parts. Already hyped for GW2 release and long lost any interest for online FF games after the first one came out on the console.

    Pretty cool that guy from Arenanet was an old timer from the good ol days :)

  • Anonymous

    For me FF ended at 7.

    nuff said

  • http://www.facebook.com/sam.owns Sami Etem

    I agree, MMORPGs are supposed to set themselves apart and look interesting from the beginning, since MMOs don’t have an ending, you’ll simply be traversing the same lands over and over and over and over again until once a year an expansion comes out that changes/adds a little more, but nothing considerable, so in my view, if it doesn’t look interesting at first, it’s probably shit.

  • http://twitter.com/MasterofLies Christian

    Better than Portal 2, Spoony? BLASPHEMY! BLASPHEMY, I SAY!

    My personal fanboyism aside, Guild Wars 2 does look pretty cool. I’ll probably check it out, but I still find it a little odd you’re saying this is a better game than Portal 2…

    Unless you’re talking about how they presented the demo(in which VALVe only presented their admittedly awesome co-op video), in which I’ll begrudgingly admit you have a point. What the shit, VALVe?

  • Renaissance_nerd

    take a look at the progression of the series, in the early to mid 90’s Square was on top of their game (no pun intended) and release FFVI and VII widely regarded as the best two games in the series.

    now look at XIII, reviews were generally low and fan backlash was at an all time high. Almost no one thought it is as good as VI or VII.

    there is a steady decline in the quality of Square Enix’s games. you cannot deny it, it is a fact.

  • http://twitter.com/FajitaBuster Jacob Kerkering

    Wow, Guild Wars 2 looks really good. I would have never guessed. Thanks for pointing it out Spoony.

    But I have to admit, watching you rant about FFXIV was more fun.

  • Renaissance_nerd

    i think FFXIV is pathetic too and guess what im allowed to because i have an OPINION

  • Anonymous

    Whatever, sheep. Go strap on your kitty ears and tail, and enjoy your anime emo-mmo. Comparing the blatant furry appealing characters in FFXIV to whatever animal race you saw in GW is a display of stupidity.

    Blatant blind display of stupidity.

  • Anonymous

    They were there to sell themselves.

    They blew it.

    Simply put. And from what i’ve heard from folk who’ve tried the beta, plus video’s of the beta: there’s nothing else there. They haven’t learned their lessons from FF11.

  • Scirocco

    FFVI > FFVII yea six was the last good one

  • Renaissance_nerd

    there were plenty of better options to showcase at PAX then the intro fight with abysmal enemy and NPC AI.

    in your defense your saying it’s ok for FFXIV to be dull? awesome logic.

  • Renaissance_nerd

    “He didn’t like the game but I think his rant was a bit unnecessary. That was pretty harsh a criticism for a game that’s incomplete.”

    WRONG SIR WRONG

    its open beta, which means its ready to ship state and the servers are getting a stress test. this is the game you will se day 1 of launch and it’s horrible.

  • Renaissance_nerd

    “It’s really not the franchise for me. I could care less about whether people like the franchise”

    so your arguing for something you have no personal investment in? are you really that bored or do you just like starting shit on the internet?

  • http://www.facebook.com/jbigness Jordan Bigness

    FF XV (when it comes around) better be epic like FF 6+7 to pull S-E out of this slump and quit making MMO games. It just isn’t their thing. Sooner or later its gonna be Kingdom Hearts online and that could be disastrous.

    GW2 looks like a masterpiece and i can’t wait for that.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=704395302 Meagan Kellermann

      Actually FFXI (SE’s last FF MMO) was fairly successful. If it weren’t; it wouldn’t continue to be played by around 500,000 subscribers with a population of around 2,000,000 characters (April, 2009). To this day they continue to be the most popular MMO in Japan. Hey, guys the US isn’t the only country that counts. Sure, their success is no where near as large as the success of WoW, but it’s enough to make a pretty penny on. If people weren’t entertained, they wouldn’t continue supporting the game, so you really can’t say that it isn’t their thing. That’s not a fair statement.

      Maybe it’s not your thing. That’s a fair statement, and truthfully, you have the right to feel that way. More power to you.

  • Renaissance_nerd

    AMD Phenom IIx4 3.2ghz
    8 gig Corsair Dominator DDR3 1333mhz
    Nvidia GTX 480 PCIE 2.1
    WD velociraptor 1tb HDD

    and im lucky if i squeak out 20 FPS in FFXIV, Square is shitty at coding PC games.

  • Anonymous

    I started watching your rant review videos about a year ago and have found them immensely entertaining. Now, watching your coverage of E3 and PAX, I see you make a pretty damn good reporter too. For what it’s worth, I’d trust your perspectives on up-coming games far sooner than any of the major commercial sites.

  • Renaissance_nerd

    the only redeeming quality of FFXIV is the Mithra… or whatever the fuck rename SE gave them to seem new when really its just rehashing old races from XI

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Daniel-Kohler/100000124923657 Daniel Köhler

    It’s amazing how stupid people can be. Just because one person, who made some vids before is saying “uuh that game sucks! buuuh” all the other people are just converting to his opinion. Men… you can’t just talk shit about one game and hype the other game and then put a video together…. THAT’s pathetic dude! And dude, there are some games which can be pretty cool without 100s of fucking explosions. I think you missunderstood the whole game… and just because you don’t got treaded like a vip there on the SE stand don’t whine! Stupid morron.

    • Anonymous

      Actually, he can do that. And he should. He’s a reviewer, and that generally entails sharing his opinion about things. He shared his opinion that FFXIV sucked and Guild Wars 2 was awesome. You want to talk stupid, you should talk about applying a word like pathetic to a reviewer’s impressions of a game and not, say, a butt-hurt fan rushing to the defense of his beloved franchise.

    • Anonymous

      Why are you so defensive? If you genuinely enjoy a game, you shouldn’t need to try so hard to convince other people that it doesn’t suck. He’s a reviewer; he went to a gaming event and reviewed what he saw. So yes, he can do that, and in fact it’s what he’s expected to do. You should start making some sense before you throw the word stupid around.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Daniel-Kohler/100000124923657 Daniel Köhler

    It’s amazing how stupid people can be. Just because one person, who made some vids before is saying “uuh that game sucks! buuuh” all the other people are just converting to his opinion. Men… you can’t just talk shit about one game and hype the other game and then put a video together…. THAT’s pathetic dude! And dude, there are some games which can be pretty cool without 100s of fucking explosions. I think you missunderstood the whole game… and just because you don’t got treaded like a vip there on the SE stand don’t whine! Stupid morron.

  • Anonymous

    When it’s ready? I’m getting Duke Nukem flash backs.

  • Renaissance_nerd

    i know right when he said that i cringed. protip dont ever say “it’ll release when it’s ready”

    3-D realms ruined that option for devs.

  • http://twitter.com/MasterofLies Christian

    Oh good, I wasn’t the only one who thought that.

  • http://twitter.com/MasterofLies Christian

    Oh good, I wasn’t the only one who thought that.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Filipe-Isabelinho/100000173498272 Filipe Isabelinho

    so THAT’S what you were wearing in your head when you were dancing in the stage xD

  • Anonymous

    Well on the positive side, it does appear as though this game will be released by the original dev team as it appears to be made by competent and ambitious people.

  • Renaissance_nerd

    simple fact, when your presentation crashes its never a good sign of things to come.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Eleanor-Sailes/1316327494 Eleanor Sailes

    That’s funny. I know a guy that plays 14 on a i7 940, 12GB of RAM and a GTX 480… he gets 55FPS with Ambient Occlusion on, 60 otherwise. I play on low with an E2200, 4GB of noname RAM and a GTX 260 and I get by with 30FPS.

    Are you sure your CPU isn’t bottlenecking your performance? I mean, I’m not saying that SE doesn’t suck at coding, but I’m totally curious.

  • http://warpedtree.blogspot.com/ CornBRED-X

    Ya, I dont want it to seem I am bashing, I promise im not =)
    As a game, as I said, its actually really solid (and anything but cookie cutter, thers no other RPG on the market like GW, multiplayer or otherwise, so thats silly haha)
    My only sadness with it was it feels so empty when your out adventuring solo and dont know anyone in the game, it is otherwise very fun to play and I really like how they do the story elements and cinematics and stuff. I found that very entertaining and I am certainly looking forward to seeing how they improve on it in this GW2.

    =)

  • http://warpedtree.blogspot.com/ CornBRED-X

    If true, that is awesome. I am looking forward to playing it if so. =)

  • Anonymous

    Final Fantasy is the Avatar of games, fantastic production values and interesting ideas are counteracted by godawful writing and inconsistent acting, it’s a damn shame, cause a talented writer could make something phenomenal with their budget.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WP6PLQ5AP6YIDNH4ND6NA5D5ZQ Scott

    Yeah, I know. You basically just took what I said and rephrased. And yeah Modern Warfare 2 wasn’t that great but I’d say it’s still way better then Final Fantasy XIII.

    And excuse me for having an opinion on what Final Fantasy was the last good one. But the point is a lot of people agree that Final Fantasy has been going downhill for years. And as long as people are buying the games, that’s not going to change.

  • Anonymous

    Wait…so gays, furries and women aren’t “normal” people, fuck you. And you’re trying to hard to assert your heterosexuality.

    And Spoony isn’t “normal” yeah he’s white, and male, but he isn’t religious, doesn’t have a regular job, and often pretends to be an elf, if you’re at this site you’re not “normal”.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_AJYYVAE66CUBOW3GWRDV5UX2OA Rick

    Where to begin, where to begin. 1) Nobody is saying FFXIV looks shitty just because Spoony says it looks shitty. Anybody with eyes can look at the demo and see how crappy and boring the gameplay looks. Add to the fact that there hasn’t been a good FF game since 7, and all you have left are people too into JRPG’s to see how overrated most of them are. Spoony is one of the few people to openly criticize them and I applaud him for that. 2) Yes, he can talk shit about one game and then praise another in the same video. It’s his video, dude. 3) They blew him off twice! I can’t imagine a valid reason for doing that, even if Spoony isn’t with somebody bigger like IGN or GameInformer. 4) Don’t call people stupid morons when you can’t even spell.

    • http://www.facebook.com/tjmac510 Travis McCollum

      I’m saying it’s shitty because I played it and it was shitty. The game was shitty, the people were shitty, and the only good part of the demo was that it was on a carpeted area which was a nice change.

  • Anonymous

    Uh, it’s a terrible persuasive tactic to say “I think” or “I believe” when you’re selling somebody on something, you state your opinion forcefully, Spoony is trying to sell us on something, Square-Enix tried to sell us on something, they Square didn’t say “In my opinion this is going to be a world changing game.” no, they presented it as fact, it’s up to you to decipher truth from fiction, and Spoony not liking something doesn’t mean that your enjoyment of it is lessened, it means he doesn’t like it.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3NUDXZVQQDRD6X4IMMPKGT7PBQ Nick

    lol looks like someone is a little butthurt SE just pimp slapped him with new updates

  • http://www.facebook.com/TornadoCreator Billy McKenna

    Wow… Guild Wars 2 looks REALLY good. It looks like EVE Onlines “the player makes a difference” attitude meets Aions attention to graphics with the community styling of the persistant worlds in Neverwinter Nights…. this is a game I WILL be buying.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3NUDXZVQQDRD6X4IMMPKGT7PBQ Nick

    oh and they blew you off cause your a NOBODY. Im only here cause someone told me to flame the shit outta your lame ass

  • Renaissance_nerd

    i dont think so cause i can run anything else at rock solid 60 fps at max settings, mafia 2, LOTRO, WoW (but WoW can run on a toaster) Mass effect 2,

    so FFXIV poor performance must be something to do with the program itself.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3NUDXZVQQDRD6X4IMMPKGT7PBQ Nick

    oh because almost 6 million people bought it, not to mention second hand sales that dont count, seems like everyone bought, played, beat it, and stopped buying it. See the trend?

    Look at your argument before you post, it will make you look just a little less stupid

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_SFDXAKFAV53FHIRPU7MX2RZXDI Danny

    It’s not just Persona, megami tensei. I thought the Baten Kaitos series was good, and entertaining, despite clearly not being a triple A series. I think its easy to tell nowaday when an rpg is going to be that kind of generic thing trying to sell on having fetishes. Or in Final Fantasy’s case, being a Jdrama with its J-pop looking humans. The japanese market since 2000 has become more fetishistic, while the U.S still fondly remembers the way it was in the early 90s to late 90s.

    And I think that’s what people want, People don’t mind stock and tropes when they’re used right. No one complained about the cat girl in breath of fire II, or the use of a tomboy and a girly girl in Skies of arcadia. Those characteristics weren’t pushed to the extreme(thus not becoming a fetish) or shoved in players faces constantly.

  • Anonymous

    Strictly speaking from what you’ve shown us here, I definitely have to agree that Final Fantasy 14 did a rather abysmal job at this particular gaming show. That’s not to say that the final game might not be a ton of fun to play, I don’t know and frankly I’m not a fan of MMO’s so I also don’t care, but that as you said the staff in charge of the demo failed in their specified job to catch our interest. That is just as much of a discredit to the game itself, if it proves to be good, as anything you’ve said about it.Yet people seem to be mad at you, Spoony, and not at the executives at Square for failing to provide a demo worthy of the game. Even bad games usually have good demos, or fun ones at the very least.

    In regards to Guild Wars 2 however, I’m honestly going to have to consider retracting my statement about not being interested in MMOs.. My jaw was absolutely slack as I watched the coverage you provided. The environment looked lush and alive, the character models and movements looked well thought out, and best of all the one time monthly fee had be absolutely giddy. This might be the first MMO I actively seek out. :) Thanks for pointing me in it’s direction!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_SFDXAKFAV53FHIRPU7MX2RZXDI Danny

    I liked the singing at the beginning. That’s the kind of atmosphere I’d like one of the FF main titles to have

  • Anonymous

    When you make an appointment with the press, and Spoony did have a Press Pass, you have an obligation to see it through regardless of how small time they might be. Blowing someone off who you already agreed to meet with is a dick move no matter who you are. I don’t always agree with Spoony, but even I know a dick move when I see one.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=704395302 Meagan Kellermann

    I agree with this. Badly played SE. Badly played.

  • Anonymous

    He said there was an open beta but they weren’t playing on it. In any case MMO’s are not built to play single player in empty zones of course it looks boring. He was playing an incomplete game. An unreleased mmo with no community and wrinkles still being ironed out= Incomplete. Also if it relates or not “beta” doesn’t mean a game is finished it means it’s close to being finished but they are still making adjustments. Spoony is an interesting reviewer but learn to have an opinion of your own. Don’t be a yes man because someone else dislikes something. I don’t anyone should be able to hate on a game they haven’t played first hand especially MMO’s. Being someone that played almost every MMO under the sun one thing I will say is that the worst MMO can be the best one and vice versa it all depends on the people your playing with. They are what makes these games fun. I think Spoony is a great reviewer…when he reviews game He’s actually played! but bashing a game outright because you don’t like the way it looks isn’t right at all. “Don’t judge a book by it’s cover” & don’t hate on a game until you played it yourself… and I know damn well no one on here has a retail copy of FF15. I respect other peoples opinions but don’t write a game off because someone else doesn’t like it and tells you not to get it.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Juliana-Todorova/1631631126 Juliana Todorova

    Hmmm, I guess you never got to the PvP in GW1. The combat there wasn’t anything flashy, but it required more thought and fast reflexes than you give it credit for. The fun part was creating your build, learning how to play it and in what situation it worked. And then modifying it when it didn’t. But I guess it’s a matter of personal opinion.

    I can’t speak about FF since I’ve never played any of the games, but there are those games that make me fall asleep while playing and those that do not. There’s the difference for me.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=704395302 Meagan Kellermann

    Here here! That was incredibly insulting. Whether you like the game or not, the comments were ridiculous and inappropriate.

  • http://www.facebook.com/tjmac510 Travis McCollum

    On the record let me say in my three days there Square was the only one I knew that blew people off….that says something.

  • http://www.facebook.com/tjmac510 Travis McCollum

    Well Duke is now being made by competent people…in it’s defense.

    But yeah I kinda got that vibe when I heard that but I know they probably mean it in a KOTOR “When it’s ready and by that we mean sometime in the next two years” kind of way.

  • Renaissance_nerd

    500,000 is not fairly successful, i think AOC sports those numbers.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_AJYYVAE66CUBOW3GWRDV5UX2OA Rick

    So you’re here to falme somebody…because somebody else TOLD you too? And you call Spoony lame? Wow

    • http://www.facebook.com/tjmac510 Travis McCollum

      *Sigh* Facepalm worthy statement there Nick…sorry to say it but yeah.

  • http://www.facebook.com/tjmac510 Travis McCollum

    Yeah…that really is saying something aint it?

  • http://twitter.com/Mcmadness288 Michael Ferguson

    Or that they gave him crap and showed him shit.

  • Renaissance_nerd

    “open” beta is the absolute last phase of testing, no new content is added , no new builds being produced, what you see is 99.999999999999999 times what you get.

    Immersion doesn’t mean how many other players surround you, it means how much do i actually feel a part of this world, and if you don’t feel apart of it alone then no number of others players will fix that for you. I will agree that the players make the game “better” but they alone and in and of themselves do not make a shitty game a golden nugget.

  • http://www.facebook.com/Bentley2210 Paul Bentley

    Are the main zones in GW2 still going to be instanced and you can only see/play/affect your party members in your instanced zone? This is something I didn’t really like about GW1 as it felt boxed off as an MMO. (It would also explain no monthly fees…)

    Also, I didn’t quite catch if your actions affected only you or everyone/party?

    That being said, maybe you’d only be able to see people who have made the same decisions as you..? In seperate instances of a town..? Argh! Too many questions from one! D:<

    • Anonymous

      Yeah… needed to verify the email. It was hidden.
      Sigh…

  • http://www.facebook.com/seamus.burke Seamus Patrick Burke

    It seemed to me Spoony was talking more about FFXIV’s presentation at PAX than the gameplay. Even just a description of their booth sounded pathetic compared to Guild Wars 2. 100 employees playing at the office so you’ll have people to interact with? 30 minutes demos looked over by helpful employees handing you drinks and free swag while answering all of your questions politely, and also showing you bad ass stuff you can do in the game they made? They’ve already sold me on their dedication alone! Those are people who want you to play their game and take in every nuance of it that they can show you.

  • Anonymous

    What slays me about what I heard about FF14 is that its combat is slower than FF11. I watched my friend fight a single giant wasp in FF11, and that took forever. I can’t imagine how combat is supposed to be even slower.

  • Renaissance_nerd

    he raved how much he is liking GW2, or did you not even watch that far?

  • Renaissance_nerd

    yes that was Spoony’s point exactly, Arenanet put on a presentation that showed the consumers they were proud of their product.

    SE seemed ashamed.

  • Anonymous

    Valid points. Anyone who seriously is offended by Spoony should take a step back (if possible), and re-evaluate their perspective. Honestly, Square-Enix has done an abysmal job of bringing FFXIV to fruition. Not only have they failed in making actually playing the game fun, but the task of even making the game LOOK fun has been botched. Believe it or not, I’m actually in Square’s camp when it comes to most things Final Fantasy. 3 years of a FFXI subscription, and day-to-day dedication as my first MMORPG has molded my perspective on the genre…yet FFXIV feels like a complete betrayal to all that anticipation. The biggest gripes about FFXI were the inability to solo for most jobs, the VERY long waits for party groups (either for missions or exp), and the aging graphics. Why couldn’t they have just taken the foundations, and built upon that exponentially?

    That having been said, if Square wanted to sell millions of people on their game, why only have tutorials and basic areas/battles for their demo at these conventions? Understand that the game is weeks away from release, a pivotal time to shine and boost anticipation to all time highs. The FFXIV and Guild Wars 2 booths were like night and day, you’ve lost your touch Square, what happened?

  • Anonymous

    No, I know Gearbox will do a good job with Duke, but in my mind, “Duke Nukem: Forever” will still never exist because 3D Realms didn’t make it. Gearbox did. This is Gearbox’s “Duke Nukem: Forever,” not THE “Duke Nukem: Forever.”

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=704395302 Meagan Kellermann

    $14.95×500,000subscribers=$7,475,000 per month. Now take that 2,000,000-500,000=1,500,000 extra characters. Each extra character costs $1.00. That’s another $1,500,000 per month… $1,500,000+$7,475,000=$8,975,000 per month. In a year $107,700,000 gross income. No matter how you spin it, FFXI is a success for SE. Just because they don’t have nearly the number of players as WoW, doesn’t mean they’ve failed at producing a product that people want to purchase.

  • http://twitter.com/eqalidan kyle

    i decided i had to post this fact, with ff13, i played other games while playing that game, and watched tv. psp in hand, some shit on tv for background noise, and my foot hammered away at the x button in 14 minute intervals (black buy and i think the little girl) and that was all i had to do for 14-30 minutes to win the battle (only way to win faster would be to level her mage abilities i think, but fuck me for wanting a healer instead)

    even with everquest, i can and have played other games while playing that game, well, aside from high risk swarming with a shadow knight. i get a group of 20-50 mobs together, hit my life tap on melee dmg 1.5 (i heal when i do dmg), and go to town, without that ability, i would die in 1-2 seconds from the massive amounts of dmg the mobs are pushing, but its a risk reword type of thing.

  • Renaissance_nerd

    this is 90% of 3-D realms source code, 2k is just polishing it, so it is THE Duke Nukem Forever

  • Anonymous

    “Immersion”? where did that come from? You replying to me or someone else?

    I don’t know if your familiar with MMO’s (which I’m starting to doubt) but they are never done. Developers are always adding new content onto the games even when it’s live. Patches can be applied any time to the game. When you get your retail copy you have no idea what they did to that game by the time you get your hands on it. You only know they are upgrading it because “they tell you”. The game they showed now may have improvements over the one that is released. Just because you saw a 10sec clip of the game play doesn’t mean that’s it. You have no idea what you were looking at and neither did Spoony. You also have no idea what they were working on and why they weren’t showing those parts of the game.

    “the demo represented what a single character would experience if no one else was there and it failed, if it cant stand on its own it cant stand no matter how populated it gets.” The demo show just that a demo. It was made to show people what the world “looked” like and how “that” character interacts in it…and as for your comment about immersion that’s not something that any game can give you in the first 5 seconds of play time and certainly not an MMO. The game has to grow on you so you learn what your character is about and what’s going on in the world. Like I said MMO’s are about playing with other people. Your not going to become captivated by a world where your alone… ever play an mmo on a private server? Nothing is interesting about it when you have a town to yourself. It kills the point of the game.

  • http://www.facebook.com/enes.memic Enes Memic

    The Guild Wars 2 demo was amazing. I’m not into MMOs (for the exact reasons the developers described), but I’ll be picking this game up as soon as it comes out. The fact that there’s no monthly fee is only icing on the cake.

    As for FFXIV: I’m not surprised. Square-Enix are cult leaders at this point, and their games will sell in the millions regardless of how awful the products are. The demo was dull, but to be frank they didn’t need a demo at all. When FFXIV ships, it will more than likely move a million units regardless of how boring and uninspired it is.

    I have two questions for anyone who may read this:

    1) For all the FF fanboys (and fangirls): would you really buy these increasingly mediocre RPGs if they didn’t have the words “Final Fantasy” on the cover? Be honest.

    2) For all old-school gamers: remember when Square and Enix were churning out amazing 16-bit RPGs? When our gaming libraries contained Final Fantasy II and III, Chrono Trigger, ActRaiser and SoulBlazer? Will anything short of a full-blown miracle bring those days back?

  • Renaissance_nerd

    whatever man im so tired of saying the same thing beta after beta, the same tired argument was used in STO and it failed, the same tired argument was used in AOC, it failed, the same tired argument was used in champions online, it failed, the same tired argument was used in AION, it failed,

    so go on in your little world the rest of us know the truth.

  • Renaissance_nerd

    your saying Spoony is misinformed , and he doesnt like the game people who dont like the game arnt misinformed,

    circular logic, you fail , try again

  • Renaissance_nerd

    i dont even think a miracle can, Sakaguchi is gone, Nobou is gone, SE is a hollow shell of what it once was.

  • Renaissance_nerd

    not a success in the MMO world where 500,000 subscribers is barely not failing.

  • Anonymous

    How can it be a fact if it’s YOUR opinion?

  • Anonymous

    After that BORING game known as FF13, square is now dead to me. I was a big FF fan for many years, but enough is enough. I didn’t plan on playing another FF game, so I won’t be missing anything with 14. Plus it’s a MMO, and well, I’m just not in to those kind of games anyways (Warcraft is already time consuming).

  • Anonymous

    Sure! If by “The Truth” you mean “Your opinion”

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Daniel-Faas/631136073 Daniel Faas

    Okay, yeah, I understand that you’re kinda biased against FFXIV, but I gotta agree with you: NOTHING I’ve heard or seen about that game makes me want to buy it, and when I tell my FF-fanboy friends this, they berate me and can’t understand why I wouldn’t think it’s the greatest MMO ever. Guild Wars 2 however…I’m going to buy it THE DAY it comes out. I’ve decided already. I had so much fun with Guild Wars 1 (I only played it casually, never got any of the expansions, and STILL had a blast with it), that I can expect nothing less with this installment, and given everything I’ve seen thus far about it, I think it’s going to be made of pure win. The trailers, the demos, all of these are already SO goddamn polished, I’m dazzled that they are perfectionist enough to think that they can’t even declare a beta date yet. The only other game I’m this excited about is the new Red Faction game, and that’s only because I’m a fanboy of that series xD
    I think the major hook for the Guild Wars franchise for me is the lack of subscription fees. I mean, sure they come out with a new $50 expansion ever six months or so, which generally equates to a subscription fee, but you don’t NEED to buy the expansions to experience a good MMO. That’s where these folks have got it right, appealing to the casual gamer with a lack of subscription, and yet offering enough depth to engross the hardcore gamer. THAT is how it should be done, Genre-wide, that right there is the way to do MMOs.

    Thanks Spoony, for this excellent endorsement for such a fantastic franchise as this ^_^

  • http://twitter.com/thisgamesux THiSGaMeSuX

    In before 1,000 comments. It’ll get there too, a lot of pissed off fanboys.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Daniel-Faas/631136073 Daniel Faas

    Ashamed, or just plain apathetic, do you think?

  • Anonymous

    The world in GW2 is fully persistent and open… you’ll bump into plenty of people out there with you. In the open world, events will be continually occurring, and whether or not you interact in the events will affect how the world changes around you. If you ignore centaurs attacking a village, they’ll take the village. You’ll get an event to retake the village, but until you (or someone else) does, that is now a centaur town.

    The permanent effects occur in your personal story. There you have an instanced area that is your “home”, but it’s not just a house, it’s an entire neighborhood. You’ll find npcs (which move in as you help them in the persistent world), an orphanage, hospital, bar, etc. Things that happen in your permanent world are that… permanent. If you let someone die, they stay dead to you. If you help the hospital while the orphanage is burning down, the orphans have no place to go now (but hey, the hospital is safe…).

    Hopefully this clears things up a little.

    I hope this doesn’t double post… I registered while trying to post it before and it went away…

  • http://www.facebook.com/tjmac510 Travis McCollum

    Well that and a few of the guys from Gearbox worked at 3D Realms before Gearbox so it has some of the staff from the game. That and, from playing experience, it really had that nostalgic Duke feeling but felt more fine tuned. It wasn’t the face melter we were expecting from such a long wait but there was certainly nothing wrong with it.

  • http://twitter.com/thisgamesux THiSGaMeSuX

    As a wise engineer once said, “NOPE”.

    Chrono trigger was one of my favorite RPGs of all time, right up there with FF7, i haven’t paid any attention to SE since FF8 and i intend to keep it that way.

    My uncle, who was inexplicably one of the die-hard fanboys of FF8 won’t even touch the stuff they are putting out these days.

  • Anonymous

    1. At this point, it’s honestly going to take one hell of a marketing campaign and subsequent positive reviews from people whose opinions I respect for me to even consider picking up another game in the series. I’m all for innovation and attempting new concepts, in fact I often encourage it, but not at the expense of my gaming experience. What killed the last title for me wasn’t the story, the fighting (which I loved), or even the somewhat bland characters. Rather it was the fact that I had to spend twenty hours slogging through the game before I could even start to feel even a smidgen of freedom or fun. I shouldn’t have had to wait until Gran Pulse before I could truly begin to appreciate the game that I had in my hands.
    2. Honestly I think not. Both because of the infamous nostalgia glasses coloring our perceptions of those games gone by, often making them better than they might have appeared (though the ones you mentioned were epic), and because it’s often not profitable for companies to start recreating the same games that they once produced when they were smaller – or so says a couple of the developers on the forums for another series. That’s no excuse of course, especially since it’s been shown that fanboys/girls will buy anything Square shoves out at this point regardless of how it looks, but it’s food for thought.

  • http://twitter.com/thisgamesux THiSGaMeSuX

    Spoony has a press pass and was covering the game, an believe me as a fan of Spoony i know he would have liked nothing more than to LOVE newer final fantasy games, if you knew anything about the history of this website (i dunno, by reading the ABOUT page??) you would know Spoony loved final fantasy once upon a time. The shit you retards endorse is causing the entire franchise to sink like the goddamn titanic, i hope you are proud of yourself.

  • Anonymous

    Holy fucking shit. I was gonna defend this game but that’s just the worst idea ever.

    Also, don’t think I’m a fanboy, I played IV, V, VI, VII, XII, and XIII and only liked XII, V, and VI (not far enough into IV to say for certain)

  • Anonymous

    I’ve always loved the Guild Wars series. I’d much rather buy an expansion of a whole new world on my own time than some monthly subscription. One thing that I enjoyed from the first that I hope is duplicated in the second is the flexibility of all the builds .The immense variety of builds available for different tasks and experimenting with them was one of the more enjoyable aspects of the game. Being able to change the attributes and skills quickly and easily between missions instead of having just a handful of rigid builds that cost a pretty penny of grinding to change (This means you WoW!). Especially for the necromancer: from crowd control to damage to spiker to battery and all the variations for PvE and PvP and elite areas like Tombs, UW, and DOA, that’s what always made it so satisfying for me. It was about putting together a good team with the correct tools; you didn’t need the best loot to win, even in elite dungeons; they were always a distant secondary to team composition and skill setup and use. It wasn’t about some endless grind for the SuperSword of UltraExtended Penis of Foreverkilling. It was about winning the fights themselves-I never felt like a skeleton with equipment like WoW where my character didn’t matter. I also enjoyed the pace of combat more. If the game keeps this, I’ll enjoy it.

    The scenery was always nice too, and really did feel like a painting, and the fast, sometimes frenetic, pace of the combat was welcome, even when VQing a high level area.

    Sorry, I think need to go back to playing again…Its been a couple weeks:)

  • Anonymous

    Aww hell I hit like instead of reply.

    I suppose I like how you’re butthurt.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3NUDXZVQQDRD6X4IMMPKGT7PBQ Nick

    just because he had a press pass, does not mean they had to talk to them. Period, and if he was somebody, why does he just run some website i was shown for the first time today? I could walk in to pax and register for a press pass too, does not mean im somebody.

    Im just the consumer. but its ok, if he wants to hate on the game, he can hate on it, it amuses me since hes not really making people rethink decisions on the game.

    But he has a right to his opinion. But when you walk in with an attitude that he did, he deserved to get blown off cause hes not worth their time.

    spoony is getting utterly trashed right now on a few of the major mmo sites and the ffxiv fan sites.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=704395302 Meagan Kellermann

    Show me your proof instead of making blind statements.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FFHN7K6SDMBSRTHSSKYK6D227I Dia Beetus

    @nick

    “butthurt much?”

    That must be your favorite phrase, it also describes you perfectly.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/John-Juby/1642531109 John Juby

    Devoted to fooling myself? Wow I guess my friends and I are just faking the fun we’re having in the beta. Guild Wars 2 looks ok, although I thought Guild Wars 1 was shit so who knows maybe this will be better

  • Anonymous

    Argh. Thank you for the thorough coverage of the newest Final Fiasco, Noah. You’ve all but guaranteed that the husband and I will NOT be throwing our money away on this waste of time.

    To be frank, Final Fantasy has been dead to me for a long, looooong time (since FFX, actually) – and I’m one of those freakish fans of FF8. (loved your rants about my favorite game of all time, though! Your raving about Diablos was historic) This simply looks like another shovel of dirt on top of the already thoroughly nailed coffin. I wish SquareEnix would just bury this beast and be done with it. There are other game series they could be dedicating their time to than this dead horse.

  • http://shadowdancersworldo.blip.tv/ Shadowdancer21b

    That song sucked worse than “Eyes on Me”. Also, Jeff Grubb is awesome as a writer and storyteller. I’m with ya Noah!

  • http://shadowdancersworldo.blip.tv/ Shadowdancer21b

    That song sucked worse than “Eyes on Me”. Also, Jeff Grubb is awesome as a writer and storyteller. I’m with ya Noah!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3NUDXZVQQDRD6X4IMMPKGT7PBQ Nick

    if i wanted my own cumback, id wipe it off your moms chin

  • Anonymous

    I find what has happened to Square Enix to be very saddening. All the 16 bit glorious games I played with friends in my youth, Chrono Trigger, Final Fantasy 6, The 7th Saga… Also reminds me of all the innovative fan made Half Life mods I enjoyed through my late teen years too. Truly creative titles like Science and Industry, Rocket Crowbar, Vampire Slayer, and so on. What has happened? Is it rose tinted nostalgia that leads me to see the modern era of games as being utter derivative shit? Just a long line of Counter Strike and Halo clones, RPGs that are all style and no substance, pretty cut scenes with bankrupt storytelling… Even the mods and the indie scenes feel like they are becoming a slew of platformer and bullet hell rip offs, each copying from the last.

    You ever stop and wonder if we just getting too old for this shit?

  • Anonymous

    No, they don’t HAVE to talk to anyone if they truly do not wish to do so. However common courtesy dictates that you should keep your appointments regardless of that fact. It’s not that hard to set aside five minutes of your time, especially with the amount of employees that Square normally has on the floor of these gaming conventions, to answer the questions of someone who you AGREED to talk with. If you don’t want to talk with someone, then don’t agree to the appointment in the first place. It’s as simple as that.
    It’s not as if Spoony went up to them, waved a press pass in their faces, and demanded to be catered to. The fact that he set up appointments ahead of time, got said appointments agreed to by the SquareEnix staff, and then got completely ignored twice when the time to honor those appointments came is absolutely unacceptable. Who knows, maybe the representative that was meant to talk with him had other engagements at the time. It happens. I’m not one to judge. However when that happens you call the person to CANCEL the appointment. You don’t leave them hanging, and you certainly don’t shove them towards a part of the booth were they’ll be seeing and hearing things they could have learned without wasting the time to make an appointment in the first place. You shouldn’t have to be a big shot in the journalism industry to be treated properly, and by that I mean having your appointments kept or properly canceled if they can’t be, and the fact that you think that’s the case is rather sad in my opinion.

  • Anonymous

    I hate to answer honestly, but I think apathetic. Final Fantasy has become the Madden of Japan.

  • Anonymous

    “spoony is getting utterly trashed right now on a few of the major mmo sites and the ffxiv fan sites.”

    Congratulations! It is thanks to nonthinking drones like yourself who buy anything with Final Fantasy on the label that the series has fallen so far. No wonder they don’t even try on their games anymore. Why try? They have a loyal army of half wit, low expectation having, pocky gobbling, sweaty fake cat ear wearing, overweight weeaboo fuckwits to carry their undeserving titles to the top of the charts.

    If you are really a fan of Square Enix you should be FUCKING FURIOUS about what they have done to their franchises. Christ, they didn’t even try on Final Fantasy 13! What is wrong with you? The people on these websites deserve better and don’t even realize it! You are like slaves making excuses for your masters when they beat you! FUCK!

  • Renaissance_nerd

    yep must be because the majority is calling FF14 shit.

  • http://twitter.com/deathbywords Jessica

    To be fair, Spoony’s not the first person to complain that Square-Enix’s representatives tend to be rude to press. Members of ScrewAttack have mentioned that SE behaved openly hostile to them at their booth during E3, going so far as to push around cameramen and place their hands over lenses when they didn’t wish for something to be filmed when a gentle “please don’t record this” would have sufficed.

    Perhaps it’s just an east-meets-west sort of arrangement, where behavior like that is commonplace overseas, or that the SE management considers American journalistic etiquette to be foreign and strange. Without being at the physical event ourselves, it’s impossible to know what it was like for certain.

    Spoony shared his personal experience, and with that experience was some irritation at having been professionally mistreated by people who’ve been in the industry long enough to know that it is rude to bite the hand that could potentially feed you. PAX is a gamers’ con designed to represent the smaller gamer. It’s not the “let’s only talk to executives” sort of event that E3 was earlier in the year. PAX is *designed* to let the smaller websites feel as validated as the bigger ones are, which is something that Square-Enix apparently snubs.

  • Renaissance_nerd

    its from being a part of the industry since EQ in 1999. Look up your own facts if you want im not your bitch boy

  • Renaissance_nerd

    its a fact look at the reviews of FFXIII, look at the general consensus of Final Fantasy players.

    its fact based on information of the consumers majority, theres a difference then blind opinion

  • Renaissance_nerd

    my truth is based on factual history, so shove you and “your opinion” into the darkest part of your bunghole.

  • Anonymous

    Having played the FFXIV Beta, I can say yes, its FAR better than FFXI, but that isn’t really saying much. I like the the battles are faster in comparison, And the Stat Progression system (feels more “rpg”-ish than most Bioware games, lately) but the game still rubs me the wrong way. After I played, I didn’t really care if I ever played it again. Yes, the cutscenes were pretty cool, but the transition to gameplay from that was jarring. Some big Gobu looking monster tearing shit up in the cutscene, which Battle-Buddies and you getting ready to confront it, and when transitioning into battle, the monster and the buddies are just strolling around, seemingly completely oblivious to the situation at hand. Now, I wouldn’t really care, but with Storytelling with cutscenes being a big thing in FFXI and what I figure from FFXIV, This just does not sit well with me. Are MOST story elements going to be like this?

    The visuals are pretty enough though.

    Don’t know anything about GW2 yet, though. I think the whole world event stuff that they have planned may seem a bit overwhelming, but it intrigues me to see if/how they pull it off.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Elizabeth-Pannel/1237765347 Elizabeth Pannel

    Someone who has hundreds and hundreds of fans is a nobody? Someone who influences the decisions and opinions of others doesn’t matter? You sir have failed.

  • Renaissance_nerd

    do a simple youtube search for FF14 glitches and them come back and tell me what an awesome game it is. go on, ill wait

  • Renaissance_nerd

    Im saying it’s shitty because i’ve been in the beta , i’ve seen it first hand, i’ve played it, Spoony could tell just from a video, me i had to waste 36 hours of my life to get it though my head.

    and as for my creds, Beta tested, STO, CO, L2, AOC, EQ2, WOW WOTLK, and others ive forgotten

  • Anonymous

    Nerd is right about that. When you measure a games success you measure it against others in the same field. If I made a new zombie game that was multiplayer it would be measured against the success of games like Halo, MW, etc. Not even one million players is pretty dire straits for a world wide MMO, especially when you consider the 30 million worldwide who play WoW by comparison. You seem to be defensive, Meagan, but nobody is judging your enjoyment of Final Fantasy MMO – we are just saying you, Square Enix’s fan base, deserve much better than this and don’t seem to want to accept that.

    WoW spans across continents and appeals to many cultures and people. Square Enix should be able to do the same but can’t seem to. And it isn’t because of the big bad American’s either, it is because of shit like this.

  • Anonymous

    Guild Wars 2 Dev Team seems like a stand up bunch. Seriously, great writers, pretty graphics, free to play. I am not much for MMO’s but I may pick it up just to support such a cool, fan friendly company.

  • Renaissance_nerd

    why do people have this horrible completely misguided notion of an Open beta?

    It means the game is ready to ship, the master has been sent off to get mass produced, they are ready for prime time and are just stressing the servers, no significant changes will be made, no magic face lift that will make it all better, what you see is what you will get day 1 of launch. So saying its a beta is not a valid defense, thank you go away.

  • Renaissance_nerd

    And support Jeff Grubb for he is the nerd god.

  • Renaissance_nerd

    his job is to entertain, but i get what your saying

  • Renaissance_nerd

    why do people have this horrible completely misguided notion of an Open beta?

    It means the game is ready to ship, the master has been sent off to get mass produced, they are ready for prime time and are just stressing the servers, no significant changes will be made, no magic face lift that will make it all better, what you see is what you will get day 1 of launch. So saying its a beta is not a valid defense, thank you go away

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3NUDXZVQQDRD6X4IMMPKGT7PBQ Nick

    did you even bother to read all the fixes and patches they will release before launch?

    Being ignorant is not an excuse for sounding like a retard

  • Renaissance_nerd

    i seem to recall STO doing the same thing, i seem to recall CO doing the same thing, i seem to recall AION doing the same thing?

    Are those games monumental successes?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3NUDXZVQQDRD6X4IMMPKGT7PBQ Nick

    how am i a drone? I hated 13, last non mmo i liked was 10, 10-2 was shitty, 12 was meh and 13 i got from game fly and returned it 3 days later.

    And how exactly did i convert 3 former wow players, who currently like beta and have the CE reserved and how did i get 2 people who never played a ff to get into it. They obviously try, because they are still bringing people in who are not total fan bois. if you want to call me a a mindless drone for any game, please let me point you to the right game, halo.

    Thanks

  • Renaissance_nerd

    stay classy there Nick, way to go

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cody-Osborne/100001204722682 Cody Osborne

    Spoony… I love you! No homo. But that was possibly the most awe inspiring and wonderful thing that I have ever seen. Though I should be thanking NCsoft, but I won’t because they screwed me over with Aion… so I’ll thank you, for saving my money and preventing me from buying a piece of shit FF game that probably won’t ammount to much, and instead get a beautiful game that if I check I’d probably realize that I orgasmed over and over again while watching that trailer and demo… I mean REALLY, that was just plain out stunning in their presentation, I just hope that it’s not all flash with no bang! Like Aion was…. as it looked just as beautiful, was played up just as nicely…. but put me to sleep about three hours of game play with a grind fuck-fest… though Guild Wars 2 promises not to do that, I’m skeptical on how they’ll be able to keep the world as interactive as they say they will without a unrealistic respawn system…. but…. if they did find a way…. if they bring me all they say they have in store… I will create a cult following in honor of those men and women!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Robert-Burling/100000173048141 Robert Burling

    I would have to say, this is the first time I’ve found myself swayed by a review. Do the people at SE even know what MMO players want? Or what Final Fantasy fans want? I was so disappointed with FFXI that I could never bring myself to obtain my own copy. When I first saw FFXIV’s trailers, and their website, it looked like they had learned from their mistakes… It had the perfect premise. Three warring nations, fighting the land, each other, the gods themselves for their very survival. Both dynamic and defined class sets, and an interactive quest engine that connects guilds solidly together… And these are all just gimmicks… for what is essentially an FFXI clone. Seriously, they could have at the very least gone for a Three faction, WoW clone. I mean much of their early advertising seemed to be aimed at WoW fans even. I mean Final Fantasy Tactics meets Diablo… That was what came to my mind the first time I heard the words “Final Fantasy” and “MMO” in the same sentence, Final Fantasy Tactics, meets World of WarCraft was the first thought that came to mind the second time around, that’s what a Final Fantasy MMO should have been at the very least… And it’s what FFVI might could have been if SE had any care for its fans anymore… This is bad, FFVI’s out, will mean that Final Fantasy is just two titles shy from over half the mainline titles sucking. (I’m not even counting the spin-offs…)

    Guild Wars 2, that’s something I’ll look at. An MMO I can just buy, then pick up and play again whenever, that looks more like what an FF MMO should be, than any FF MMO is ever going to even try to look like… And all of that is encompassed in a mere fraction of the game from the looks of it. An expansive, persistent world, where the things players do actually have meaning… Hell frickin’ yeah. And this comes to me right out of the blue, without any need to feel anticipation. It’s looking like a game that has quite a bit to live up to, and will still be one of the best games out of this decade if it fails to quite measure up to half of it.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_A7JBDLS5EO566RT43WE6ONEU64 KoffaS

    People I beseech you, keep somethings to yourselves.

  • http://twitter.com/flashfox466 Kevin Armerding

    I’d play Guild Wars 2 if it’d release on the Mac (and if I wasn’t susceptible to excessive MMO addiction).
    Does look like a really intriguing game :o

  • Anonymous

    Um… no.
    That’s not how an Open Beta works, dude.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Matthew-Lurton/1839954057 Matthew Lurton

    You know what you gotta love? No matter if you hate his opinion or not, Spoony wins in the end. All these comments amount to thousands upon thousands of pageviews for TSE. So keep hating haters, you’re only making Spoony richer. :3

  • Anonymous

    Bahahaha.

  • Renaissance_nerd

    i know how they work i’ve seen them work many times, i defy you to prove what i said isnt true.

  • Anonymous

    Capitalism, ho!

  • Anonymous

    While you’re right that an “open beta” would be mostly testing the servers for stress, most of the time major changes are made. IIRC, this happened with COD4, and I know for a fact BF:BC2.

    Also, all because it is in open beta doesn’t mean the game is sent to mastering and ready to ship. Remember PlayStation Home? That was in a beta stage for years before being released.

  • Renaissance_nerd

    Spoony… Spoony… SpoonyOne .. HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

    sorry i dont know where that came form

  • Anonymous

    I am into JRPGs, but I have not liked a Final Fantasy game for a while. Simply put, there have been better JRPGs that came through the pipeline in the last 13 years.

    The good JRPGs understand that Westernizing the script is a good thing, that simultaneous worldwide release dates are terrible, and if it is going to Japanese heavy, a little explanation is called for.

  • Renaissance_nerd

    well ok but what im saying is people are using “it’s beta” as an ironclad defense, like they will install the game day one and see a completely different game with all the suck removed, it just doesn’t work that way.

    and FF14 launch is 7 days away, trust me the master has been sent for copying

  • Anonymous

    Oh shit, I didn’t know that FF14 was a week away from release. I do agree with you on the “ironclad defense” thing.

  • Anonymous

    Spoony: “Just as planned.”
    While I know he wouldn’t incite these kinds of flame wars on purpose, I can totally see him getting a good laugh out of how all these naysayers are essentially giving him more and more pageviews with each attempt to rage at the people here.

  • Renaissance_nerd

    yea i could see if we had a month or two left but 7 days,

    chances are amazingly high we will see a patch launch day that fixes some minor bugs but has almost no impact what so ever on major aspects of gameplay.

  • Anonymous

    True… I would compare them to how DICE handles patches and stuff like that but I have never owned a Sqeenix game, much less one on the PC.

  • Anonymous

    Let’s do the run down: you said you were told to come here to bash an Internet reviewer you disagreed with. You immediately tear into Guild Wars 2,which I can only assume is because you can see quite plainly it is shaping up to be superior. You even admit that Final Fantasy 13 is shit, 12 was “meh”, and 10-2 was terrible. But, like some codependent, abused spouse, you are crawling back to reward them with more of your hard earned money. Reward them for abusing you with FF10-2, 12, and 13. Not only are you rewarding them but you invited more people to give them even more money, presumably so they can afford all the latte they will need to build up enough fluid in their bladder to piss in your face even more.

    You are supporting the mediocrity of Square Enix and insuring they will never improve by giving them your hard earned money. As a Final Fantasy fan this should actually upset you but as with many die hard Square Enix fans you seem to suffer from some sort of Stockholm Syndrome. They abuse you, shit on your face, and you vehemently defend this franchise and faulty company while they roll in piles of your money.

    Look, Nick, I am not trying to be flippant or mean, okay? I am not trolling you. You yourself say you have hated pretty much everything since 10. You even took 13 back after 3 days. Help me understand what you see in this company. Why let them do this to you, their loyal fan? Ask yourself: do they really deserve your money after all the shit they have done to the franchise you clearly love enough to defend?

    Why are you here, Nick?

  • Renaissance_nerd

    the core gameplay and overall presentation of the game will not change. If you find the beta to be boring or badly designed then it will stay that way.

    there is no magic bullet that will make you like this game if you disliked the beta.

  • Anonymous

    I am a huge JRPG fan. The only reason that I own a 360 is to play the JRPGs that are not on the PS3. Most of my collection of video games are JRPGs. I have played good ones and I have played bad ones.

    That being said, I do not have the nostalgia goggles when it comes to the Final Fantasy games. Some of the games were good, I think the lower numbered games were better than the higher numbered ones. Some were terrible. Others were not as good as people think they were, (I am not going to say which ones).

    Now, I have enjoyed the games when they were new, but I have moved on with my life. And frankly, so has the subgenre. Simply put, there are better JRPGs out there. There are game companies that are willing to experiment and not play it safe like Square Enix has done. Sure the experiments do not always work, but atleast it was different.

    Persona 3 and 4 both have time limits in the game. The game will end in March before the start of the new school year. but they also give the give the players control over the plot progression. Plot relevent events will happen on the date listed, but everything else is up to the players to decide.

    Dragon Quest remembers to have a plot in the games. Sure it may be just as convoluted as the plots in most FF games, but it progress in a logical manner.

    Even though I hate the game, Valkyrie Profile has probably the best cast of supporting characters in any game and is a triumph of story telling. Each one only had a cutscene of about 4-10 minutes, but the characters were fully fleshed out in that time. There was no over explaining of motivation, no needless dialog or whatever.

    I could go on, but the point is that there is absolutely no reason to think that a game is immune to criticism just because Final and Fantasy are in the title. A bad game is a bad regardless of who makes it.

  • Renaissance_nerd

    yup in fact many have said JRPG’s stagnate and refuse to evolve. Dragon Age is tearing up the market for a reason

    Final Fantasy just has not evolved.

    FF14 is almost a carbon copy of 11 with different classes and a new location.

    Hell even EQ2 evolved more then that from EQ1

    my first reaction with FF14 after the opening cinematic was… WTF… why do i have to read this game… its still text based in a world of voice overs

    • Anonymous

      Some JRPGs ARE trying out new things. I’ve listed several that have done things differently than Final Fantasy. Final Fantasy is not the end all be all of JRPGs.

      Dragon Age is tearing up the market because it is a Bioware game. Nostalgia plays a role in that game’s success too. There are just as many people willing to give Bioware a free pass because of Baldur’s Gate, Neverwinter Nights, and KOTOR.

      I have not played Dragon Age because Bioware does not impress me as a game maker. They make the same over and over again. I’ve played Baldur’s Gate and the Sequel, as well as NWN, and I was unimpressed by how samey they all were.

      I do nt think it is fair of you to call out company for making the same game over and over again, yet praise another that does the same thing.

  • Anonymous

    “ALL OF THEEEEM!”

    Hilarious. I am very interested in XIV, though. But Guild Wars 2 is my most anticipated game in a good while. Can’t wait for it.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Juliana-Todorova/1631631126 Juliana Todorova

    I just want to say that Arenanet (the developers of GW2) and NCSoft are two completely separate companies. NCSoft WEST is only the publisher of the game.

    As far as delivering goes… we all hope they manage to do what they say they are going to. But as a GW1 player for 5 years now, I have yet to be disappointed in Anet.

  • http://www.facebook.com/tjmac510 Travis McCollum

    Yeah Nick why ARE you here? Your not here to be fair or to act like a normal person, you only seem to be here to bash Spoony, praise a game not deserving of it, bash any other game that Spoony does like to make said praise game look better, make rude comments at anyone who disagrees with you and ignorantly says statements that he has no reason saying. Were you at PAX? Did you talk to SE? Were you blown off by SE? Have you played GW2? Are you a member of the press? No…seriously dude…

  • http://www.facebook.com/tjmac510 Travis McCollum

    Simple. Final Fantasy is a name a lot of people will attach themselves to, without any questioning and there was an open beta of the game already. Guild Wars 2 is still developing as a strong title via word of mouth and as the developer said it’s not coming out for a while. FF14 is coming out sooner…hence why more people would have pre-ordered it already….sigh…

  • Anonymous

    This also explains why Square-Enix didn’t want to talk to Spoony. He has used bashing them to boost up his own reputation. Either that, or he’s beneath their notice.

  • Anonymous

    I agree that the quality declined in the past games. But they still don’t deserve the bash they got, because they are not that bad.

  • Anonymous

    “yep must be because the majority is calling FF14 shit.”

    Stats/link or you’re pulling that argument through Fan Myopia. The last installment, Spoony bombarded with hatred from hell, and it was still a hit and got high scores despite the supposed “Western sensibilities” backlash. I’m not saying that FFXIV doesn’t suck, I’m just highly skeptical that it will necessarily bomb because of the supposed majority you’re talking about.

  • Renaissance_nerd

    or they are douches

  • Anonymous

    “And as long as people are buying the games, that’s not going to change”

    That is correct, but unfortunately the game industry works that way. From year to year, 80% of the games are sequels (it is subjective that those games are good or bad), because people buy it. And they buy it because they want it.

  • Anonymous

    “Congratulations! It is thanks to nonthinking drones like yourself who buy anything with Final Fantasy on the label that the series has fallen so far.”

    Just because Spoony is being criticized doesn’t necessarily mean that the people who are criticizing him are drones. Learn to be objective.

  • Anonymous

    “Spoony shared his personal experience, and with that experience was some irritation at having been professionally mistreated by people who’ve been in the industry long enough to know that it is rude to bite the hand that could potentially feed you.”

    Then again, if they knew about his work, I wouldn’t be surprised why they didn’t even give him the time of day.

  • Renaissance_nerd

    after the abysmal failure that was XIII more and more people are willing to admit that the Final Fantasy series is dead and SE is running on it’s fumes.

    the only ones defending 14 are the ones on fan sites and something SE related, the rest of the gaming world isnt even giving it the time of day, Or in Spoony’s case butthurt so many fanboys because he said the game is pathetic, which it is.

  • Anonymous

    Having participated in a lot of open betas, I say you are wrong. The game is not at mass production at all. Open betas serve to fine-tune the game mechanics, optimize the code and as you said, to stress the servers.

  • Anonymous

    “its from being a part of the industry since EQ in 1999. Look up your own facts if you want im not your bitch boy”

    Obvious troll is obvious.

  • Anonymous

    “They were there to sell themselves.”

    On the other hand, knowing that it was Spoony they snubbed… I don’t know. It doesn’t necessarily hurt them, knowing how Spoony became popular in the first place. Just my opinion.

  • Anonymous

    Hey, that’s how he got out of youtube, made this site, and acquired his fans, after all… Final Fantasy bashing. ^_^

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Daniel-Kohler/100000124923657 Daniel Köhler

    Oh yeah just flagging comments with other opinions. That’s the way you do. lol

  • Anonymous

    “or they are douches”

    You’re really sounding like a troll. Just saying. If you hate FFXIV, more power to you. But ad hominem attacks on people who snubbed Spoony? That has the earmarks of trolling. Flagged.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1603186711 Jay Lyle Tway

    You are awesome Spoony!!!! “All of Them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!” Thats was a huge Dragon at the end of Guild Wars 2 footage!!

  • Renaissance_nerd

    nope not trolling at all just offering a 3rd option.

    they may have very well been jerks, just because someone was “serving” the public doesn’t mean they are automatically nice and cordial.

    and to speak on your point of Spoony bashing SE that is a basic tactic simply to get noticeed,

    as Ric Flair would say “to be the man first you gotta beat the man”

    and what better way then to take on a gaming franchise as big as Final Fantasy

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Matthew-Lurton/1839954057 Matthew Lurton

    Well, Spoony himself admits that he doesn’t intend to change the minds of FF fans. If they’re going to like FF, he’s not going to stop him. He’s just calling out what he sees as bullshit. I mean, like I said before, I like FFX, but I don’t deny that there are things demonstrably wrong with it (namely whinny-ass characters and random plot developments); they just don’t effect my enjoyment of it.

    But yeah, he loves to see SquEnix drones squirm.

  • Renaissance_nerd

    his work aside there is something called professionalism.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Matthew-Lurton/1839954057 Matthew Lurton

    Yeah, gonna go with the SquEnix guys being pretentious douchebags.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/David-Rodoy/775323495 David Rodoy

    The abysmal failure which was the fastest selling FF title of all time and made SE massive amounts of money while scoring 8-10s in almost every media source that reviewed it?

    Doesn’t sound like an abysmal failure to me.

  • Renaissance_nerd

    SE’s obvious bullshit is obvious and i for one am being endlessly entertained watching the fanboys try and refute it,

    SHEEP

  • Renaissance_nerd

    oh really? links please

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Matthew-Lurton/1839954057 Matthew Lurton

    One minor quibble with the GW2 interview, though. When they say “No subscription fees,” you should’ve really grilled them to see if they had some kind micro-transaction system in place. Most so-called ‘free to play’ MMOs nowadays really aren’t, requiring further investment to obtain what are pretty basic elements of the game, not to mention equipment, outfits and the like.

  • Renaissance_nerd

    i didn’t exactly praise Dragon Age, i said there is a reason behind it’s success you inferred that i meant it was something totally new and innovative.

    most consider Final Fantasy and JRPG’s in general as very dated. those arnt my words go look up an article on the subject and complain to them how you think it’s not fair.

    and i was agreeing with you just for the record.

  • http://www.facebook.com/ReynsRoom Brandon Edwards

    Honestly I could care less if you tear it apart. I’ve seen plenty of videos about it, read a bunch of articles. and whereas I have been a big fan of the final fantasy series I wasn’t very happy they put the title on XI so obviously I’m not going to be real thrilled they done it again.
    But from what I’ve seen the battle system looks just as slow as it was in the first. And honestly since Squaresoft merged with Square-enix it’s been a pretty steady downfall in my opinion. I’m just amazing that I’m as happy with KH: Birth by Sleep.
    XI was a completely pointless grind, so I didn’t expect to see it be much different in this. Fan boys can be smitten by everything that has the Square-enix logo. But if you’re gonna be a gamer … learn to have a sense of pride in the games you play. Cuz this one blows ^^
    Thank you spoony

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/David-Rodoy/775323495 David Rodoy

    Spoony getting trashed on a FFXIV FANSITE? Who’da thunk it?

    Also several people here have already reconsidered their decision to buy it so you’re wrong on that, too.

  • Renaissance_nerd

    cute now you want to maybe take a shot at a legitimate rebuttal?

  • Renaissance_nerd

    might wanna read this section a bit more, Spoony was not the only one that was snubbed. Try again

    • Anonymous

      Wow. This is… I’ve even lost count. You’ve been replying to every one of my posts like some sort of stalker. This is the last time I’m going to argue with you, because you’re obviously cyber-bullying everyone who dares support Final Fantasy XIV (and, looking at my response, I wasn’t even doing that). Please troll somewhere else.

    • Anonymous

      Wow. This is… I’ve even lost count. You’ve been replying to every one of my posts like some sort of stalker. This is the last time I’m going to argue with you, because you’re obviously cyber-bullying everyone who dares support Final Fantasy XIV (and, looking at my response, I wasn’t even doing that). Please troll somewhere else.

    • Anonymous

      Wow. This is… I’ve even lost count. You’ve been replying to every one of my posts like some sort of stalker. This is the last time I’m going to argue with you, because you’re obviously cyber-bullying everyone who dares support Final Fantasy XIV (and, looking at my response, I wasn’t even doing that). Please troll somewhere else.

  • Renaissance_nerd

    you say that like its a bad thing, and the site was up before his FFVIII review DOH dont you just hate logic

  • Anonymous

    Guild Wars 2 sounds awsome. 1 reminds me of the Dreamcast PHANTASY STAR ONLINE games just with a midevil look. I found it to be preaty fun although a bit on the snore side. teaming seems unlikely 2 but I am glad there trying to actually shoot for a story like how the third expansion seems to play. Also playing as new races should be cool. Hopefully they have mesimir for a race or two cuz I liked being a mesmir.
    FFXIV I’m not to keen on. XPLAY’s attack of the killer rabbits makes me say stay away….even though they claim to be more ‘leaniant’ this time around….I don’t buy it.

  • Renaissance_nerd

    not that bad is relative,

    to me they suck a donkeys anal butter though a straw because i lived though the release of VI and VII and the new ones do not compare at all to those masterpieces and the general majority of fans agree.

    people expected better and everyone should expect better then FF14

  • Anonymous

    FF11 had it’s good points, but I ditched it in a heartbeat after trying World of Warcraft for a day. I may do the same for GW 2 if it lives up to it’s hype.

    But if I don’t see some VAST improvement, I’m not even giving 14 the time of day, even if I nostalgia a bit for the fun things in 11 (and there were good times to be had).

  • Renaissance_nerd

    your QQ sustains me, i must have more

  • Anonymous

    There will be micro-transactions in GW2 but, just like in GW, what you can buy won’t be anything necessary. Anet doesn’t want to make you pay for the game, but they know some people want to pay for additional, completely optional cosmetic things. In GW you could buy costumes for you characters, for instance, and they’ll go on with this line of thoughts.

  • Anonymous

    I’m still not getting a link. Link please.

  • Anonymous

    You haven’t provided a link either. Just saying.

  • Anonymous

    Hey, I seem to have gotten your attention, because nearly all of my posts have replies from you even though I replied to all sorts of people. Please stop trolling. We get it, you hate FFXIV and Square-Enix. That’s pretty much clear.

    • Renaissance_nerd

      disagreeing with you is not trolling. Might want to look up the definition of trolling. Your offering a point of view and i am offing a rebuttal, thats how mature conversions work

    • Renaissance_nerd

      disagreeing with you is not trolling. Might want to look up the definition of trolling. Your offering a point of view and i am offing a rebuttal, thats how mature conversions work

    • Renaissance_nerd

      disagreeing with you is not trolling. Might want to look up the definition of trolling. Your offering a point of view and i am offing a rebuttal, thats how mature conversions work

  • Anonymous

    “cute now you want to maybe take a shot at a legitimate rebuttal?”

    She asked for a link, you wouldn’t give a link, and you’re arguing in a manner highly reminiscent of the trolls at the Deadliest Warrior review (i.e., whenever someone presents a logical argument, you use logical fallacies to keep the argument going). So really, I’m just taking note that you’re a troll for the admin’s sake.

    • Renaissance_nerd

      and my 229 comments to your 40… are you really sure you wanna pull the troll card?

    • Renaissance_nerd

      and my 229 comments to your 40… are you really sure you wanna pull the troll card?

    • Renaissance_nerd

      and my 229 comments to your 40… are you really sure you wanna pull the troll card?

  • Anonymous

    Your later replies below would indicate otherwise.

  • http://twitter.com/nolanmcgarry Kefkaesque

    Oh, did they completely redesign the battle system in one of those patches?

    If not, it will still be a steaming pile.

  • Renaissance_nerd

    and your replies are just as trolling, do you ever offer more then one baiting sentence?

  • Renaissance_nerd

    /porkcutlets.wordpress.com/2010/03/22/ffxiii-sucks-donkey-balls/

  • Renaissance_nerd

    so someone else agreeing with the point i made is completely beyond your understanding, here let me spell it out for you, If people agree with the statement your making vs someone elses statement it usually means your right.

    the person agreeing with me was my proof, she said proof not link

  • Renaissance_nerd

    I know because logic is such a horrible thing, I’m sorry i had to point out that SE snubbing not only Spoony but other people hurts your argument that Spoony was being singled out for mistreatment because of his remarks about Final Fantasy.

    I am so sorry i had to prove you wrong.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Amanda-Warren/100001497907454 Amanda Warren

    Never heard of this Spoony before I saw a link to this article from Gfaqs…

    LMAO who the fuck is this 40 year old virgin and is he really trying to talk shit on an MMORPG like FFXIV after playing a couple days?

    Have to admit though, I got a good kick from watching his video review. It was like watching a monkey talk about the theory of relativity or Paris Hilton discussing the gubernatorial elections.

    Spoony….you fucking clown. I get your thing, trying to be entertaining in your own way to bring traffic to your site and make money, but don’t talk shit about something you cannot fathom.

    I had enjoyed FF11 for many a-years in my younger days, and I can tell you, it takes a special taste for a delicacy that is xi and xiv.

    The team behind this game take shits as talented as you.
    1. Tanaka FF 1,2,3,9
    2. Yoshida FF7

    Hilarious little eclown, go get a girl for the first time in your life and quit channeling your anger at things you cannot appreciate.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Amanda-Warren/100001497907454 Amanda Warren

    Never heard of this Spoony before I saw a link to this article from Gfaqs…

    LMAO who the fuck is this 40 year old virgin and is he really trying to talk shit on an MMORPG like FFXIV after playing a couple days?

    Have to admit though, I got a good kick from watching his video review. It was like watching a monkey talk about the theory of relativity or Paris Hilton discussing the gubernatorial elections.

    Spoony….you fucking clown. I get your thing, trying to be entertaining in your own way to bring traffic to your site and make money, but don’t talk shit about something you cannot fathom.

    I had enjoyed FF11 for many a-years in my younger days, and I can tell you, it takes a special taste for a delicacy that is xi and xiv.

    The team behind this game take shits as talented as you.
    1. Tanaka FF 1,2,3,9
    2. Yoshida FF7

    Hilarious little eclown, go get a girl for the first time in your life and quit channeling your anger at things you cannot appreciate.

  • Renaissance_nerd

    another fanboy… they are worse then roaches.

    With their vocabulary they don’t even make a compelling argument. it must be so wonderful to be so butthurt

  • http://twitter.com/nolanmcgarry Kefkaesque

    Man, the hardcore Final Fantasy fans sure are irritable.

    Perhaps if you were to clean all the sand out of your massive whiny vaginas, you’d all feel better.

  • Anonymous

    Spoony is perfectly capable of appreciating FF and as he has at least implied in the past that every game before FF8 was at least decent and he thought that every game after FF7 ranged from mediocre to terrible. Is it really so unreasonable that someone who hated FFs 8 to 13 heads into 14 with a pessimistic attitude.

    Secondly Spoony is around 28 not 40.

    Thirdly there has never been any indication that he is a virgin in fact from the way you’re acting I think you’re more likely to be a virgin.

    Fourthly just because people who made good FFs made this game doesn’t mean it’ll be good (as Linkara said: “anyone with talent is still capable of creating garbage”) and keep in mind these people made single player RPGs and even if they made FF11 they are still VERY inexperienced with MMOs.

    Finally, Spoony has played MMOs before. He gets them but if you think a game is boring than no amount of “getting it” is going to change that.

    In conclusion: grow up and get over yourself.

  • Renaissance_nerd

    Darephony take note, this, this is a Troll

    just so you have a basis for comparison the next time you call me one.

  • http://twitter.com/Seveleniumus Tamsos Valdovas

    He has a girl and judging by your hostility being a clown virgin is your insecurity :p I think Spoony did a fair review, considering it’s PAX coverage, witch means it was judged by what he have seen there, were you even at PAX? :) There may be more to this FF part, but then again it wasn’t a full review and he isn’t hiding it, just read the notes. Your comment is an epic fail, missy, you’re just a senseless hater.

  • Renaissance_nerd

    “it takes a special taste for a delicacy that is xi and xiv.”

    it certainly does, a taste for bullshit wrapped up in a shit skid taco.

  • Renaissance_nerd

    that little “Eclown” makes a living doing this, going to PAX and E3

    You on the other hand make a living putting french fries in hot greese…

    whos the sadder clown?

  • http://www.facebook.com/Bukee András Bukovinszky

    Lol fail troll is fail

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Tom-Baker/100001128276115 Tom Baker

    all i got is why did you type so much? is “you suck” too much?

  • Anonymous

    11 lines in that post and all I really picked up from it was.

    BBBBWWWAAAAAAA
    WWWWAAAHHHHHHH
    FINAL FANTASY MAKES MY GOOSH FEEL NICE!
    ME IS MORE ELITIST AND APREIMATES ARTS MORE THAN JOO!
    JAPANESE GUYS MAKE GOOD GAMES IN DISTANT PAST FANGIRL LIKE!
    ME FANGIRL! ME SAY YOU NOT GET LAID UNLESS YOU ENJOY FF!

    Honestly are these fan people some sort of deep sea creature? You poke em and they lash out with their easily evaded stingers?

    I’m also a little amused by the fact that the two guys she mentioned (who I honestly couldn’t give a monkey’s dingle about) worked on very old games, the most recent of which came out TEN FREAKING YEARS AGO!
    This argument just does not compute! Guess what Mrs I absolutely Loved the Ultima series of games and even now if I met Richard Garriot I would get down on my knees an pledge eternal loyalty… and maybe lick him for a while. But that doesn’t stop me from saying without any doubt that he hasn’t made a decent game in bloody YEARS! Just because somebody at some point in the past made something that was quite good that doesn’t mean their farts smell of cookies and roses, those devs have been recycling the same ideas for the last TWENTY YEARS occasionally porting their idea to a new system and putting a new paint job on it.

    Oh and for the record I’m fairly certain that there is absolutely no correlation between enjoying Final Fantasy and getting regular carnal delights from lady folk. I know for a fact my girl gets the worlds cruelest sneer on her face if somebody mentioned Final Fantasy around her.

    Begone from our sight now, you have been found wanting.

  • http://www.facebook.com/martin.tilbury Martin Richard Tilbury

    As soon as I read articles and saw the videos of FF14’s combat system, I was not impressed at all, it plays just like any other MMO. I then read some articles from beta testers stating that a lot of the environments were copy paste with very little variation and backed this claim up via screenshots. I have been unimpressed with Final Fantasy for a while as they seem to rely on the same game mechanics and do little to innovate, the only thing they can claim is that their games are very pretty.

    As for Guild Wars, I never played the first one but Guild Wars 2 has now peaked my interest, I look forward to giving it a try.

  • Anonymous

    I think Spoony’s regard for the series up to 7 (something I don’t agree with him on I think they all sucked) and dismissal of the later games could be the problem for a lot of ‘hardcore’ Final Fantasy fans.

    Many of them only seem to have gotten into the series with the Playstation releases and I’m willing to bet that even there most started with 7 when the whole series switched to 3D graphics, and it was probably the first plot and character driven RPG style game they ever played. And therein lies the games appeal. Final Fantasy 7 is by no means a masterpiece of storytelling and scripting, in fact it’s downright bad at times.

    But the gameplay was smooth and streamlined enough, the characters engaging enough and the plot seemingly well though out enough (I could argue about that until the cows come home) that it captures the imagination of people who really hadn’t experienced anything like it before. The first game in the series I played was Final Fantasy 8 and I remember at the time it absolutely blew me away, I had never played anything like it before and I was quite impressed by the seeming cinematic scope of the game.
    Then somebody recommended I go back and play VII and I realised something, I hate JRPGs! I couldn’t even play 8 anymore, I never did see the ending until my girlfriend played through it years later when she first got into gaming.

    And therein lies the problem. When somebody like Spoony comes along who doesn’t give Final Fantasy a free ride based on it’s past glories, many of these Fanpeople are extremely offended. Not I suspect because they really do think FFXIV is going to be the earth shattering experience they claim it will be. But because they feel it will diminish the older games they’ve spent so much time waxing lyrical over.

    To these people I would say this. Final Fantasy back in the late 90s was indeed at the cutting edge in terms of video game design. It’s graphics, gameplay and storytelling were groundbreaking for the time. Alas we are ten years down the road and such things cannot be sacred cows forever more. In this day and age Square-Enix are far surpassed in this type of gaming style by developers like Bioware who in many ways built on what Square accomplished with Final Fantasy in the late 90s, coupled with their own experiences making classics like the Baldur’s Gate series. This has created games over the last few years which have surpassed anything put out by Square Enix in a long time.

    Please take off the nostalgia glasses they do nothing for you really and grant the Final Fantasy series some dignity. Wouldn’t it be better to let it become a fondly remembered series of great games, such as the Ultima or Baldur’s Gate series? Wouldn’t it be better to be able to look back and say to your friends, “Hey remember how great that game was. Remember how engaging it was? Remember how much fun we had with it?”

    Wouldn’t that be so much better than letting the series become a running joke? With people like me saying, “HA another Final Fantasy game! Is it any different? Naaa just another pile of anime style crap for the fanpeople!”

    Wouldn’t the former option be better than coming to a message board and making yourselves look like idiots?

  • Anonymous

    You know, I had no interest in this game to begin with and being someone thats given SE more slack then they probably deserve; they should of really been trying to sell this to me. What I’ve seen of the game doesn’t make me want to break my no MMO rule yet and Im not just talking from Spoony’s preview here. Square really did kinda die as a creative outlet with the death of the original Playstation. (hell, I’ll give to about 06 before they got out right awful and that’s being REALLY generous)

    Which brings me to another point here; am I like the only person who really liked FFIX? Everyone just seems to skip it altogether and go straight to the wonders of FFX (sarcasm of course) It really was the last good one in the series and felt like it was supposed to be a conclusion and throwback to the series as a whole. I don’t know its probably just me… (considering I don’t really think the SNES ones were that great. Yeah, Chrono Trigger was better then both of them)

    I’ll even go so far as to say FFXII was decent as long as you ignored the FF in the title; it had flaws yes but it really wasn’t THAT bad. Hell, SE even put out Radiata Stories which I really did enjoy, but after seeing them literally whore out the FF series to no end with re-releases and needless sequels I’ve just lost hope for a company I’ve followed since I was a wee lad. If they’d like to keep their Snes-Playsation 1 folks they’re gonna have to try a whole lot harder then what they showed here. (if you’re having fun with it. great! but I’m just really unimpressed)

  • http://www.facebook.com/martin.tilbury Martin Richard Tilbury

    I have to agree on most of the points you made, I came into Final Fantasy and played 7, 8 and 9 originally, I then went back to 6 and overall found that FF game to be more engaging with more memorable characters. I also agree that 7 in terms of story was very over rated.

    As for JRPG’s as a whole, western companies such as Bioware and Bethesda have moved forward and done some incredibly innovating things to the RPG genre. The problem with JRPG’s is they rely on the same things the relied on back in the 90’s and have done little to move forward. Capcom have recognised this problem so what do they do?, they start collaborating with western studio’s to make their games more accessible and fun to the western audience. What does Square Enix do?, they change the art styles completely overhaul the games look so more gruff realistic characters (Nier) and then blame the western audience when their product fails to sell.

    Final Fantasy should take a bow and leave so that Square Enix can focus on another project and actually work for their money rather then quickly churning something out and slapping the Final Fantasy name on it.

  • http://www.facebook.com/EternalSonata2010 Anthony Valunas

    In response to your first post, Blizzard easing the whole “grind” of the game doesn’t make the game any less boring. It just elevates you to the endgame faster, and all you can do at the endgame is A.) Fight in PvP battles (which get boring after awhile, or B.) Join a guild and do raids for weapons and armor that won’t matter at all since you are at the “endgame”, the boss is just going to respawn in 10 minutes for the next group of faceless toons, and thousands of people already have the same gear anyway.

    The main point I tried to make about WoW in my post is that there is absolutely no sense of accomplishment. You’re just another going around and around on the hamster wheel coughing up $15 a month to Blizzard to earn things that don’t really matter at all. One could argue endgame gear is useful in dominating PvP matches, but there are way more fun PvP multiplayer games out there that don’t have a monthly fee.

    I would much rather play a single-player RPG because not only IS there a sense of accomplishment, but there is an ending too. An ending to your story and quest, not to the same exact fedex quests millions of others are doing. One of the Guild Wars 2 designers in the trailer grabbed me when they said, “This is YOUR story.” And that’s what I want in an MMO: A game you can play with others that *feels* like a single-player game, or rather, a story that is unique to you.

  • Anonymous

    I’m sorry, who exactly was the one who called somebody else’s taste “bullshit taco” again? The one that uses “arguments” like that is more troll-like in my view. You’re obviously baiting him to respond to you emotionally, so that you can make fun of his reaction; i.e., the mark of a troll.

  • Anonymous

    right, i know XD im not really surprised, i just think its funny that its still so easy to piss off fanboys :B

  • Anonymous

    If you’re talking about the Shatterer, the black and purple monstrosity, that’s only one of the lieutenants for the Elder Dragons. The Elders are bigger.

    Much bigger.

    That giant head we saw at the end, they said that’s a lizard-like creature and not a dragon.

  • Anonymous

    On a side note, what’s with those Zorro masks that so many people seem to be wearing in the game? Are they part of a club or something? ‘Cause it looks kinda silly to me…

  • http://www.facebook.com/anthony.harper2 Anthony Harper

    No of course I’m not saying that just because you fail you should give up, all I meant is that if you want to compete with WoW you have to bring more than this and the fact that Square was so surly does not bode well for the game itself. Believe me I’m a huge fan of the Final Fantasy series hell I was even able to enjoy X-2 (ducks beer bottles). I just think that they should focus on telling some good stories and address the issues that have drug the series down in recent years, and for the love of g-d can they get Nobuo Uematsu back please.

  • Anonymous

    At the risk of beating a dead horse, is it possible that SE’s lackluster performance at PAX is because they were saving their A game for this weeks Tokyo Game Show? Japan is the target market for their products, after all.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3NUDXZVQQDRD6X4IMMPKGT7PBQ Nick

    praise a game that does not deserve it? why does it not deserve it? Because some guy with a site says so, its getting a unfair rap because guys like this who dident even try the beta at the event just trash it. Well myself and the other 185k people (and climbing) will play it and like it.

    And if gw2 was such a great game, how come i dont see people reserving it left and right?

  • Anonymous

    IX is my favourite FF game. But I’ve liked almost every FF game made, I even liked X. I didn’t like VIII, I sure as hell didn’t like X-2, XII was boring as fuck, and after that I didn’t even bother. I stick to the old ones.

    Tactics advance is good too.

  • Anonymous

    Holy shit! Guild Wars 2 looks like it’s gonna kick ass!

  • http://twitter.com/redviv Vivi Roth

    Yeah, FFXIV plays like any other MMO, just incredibly slower. Got into the beta, played for two days, no change in sight… And I was out. Performance was horrible, combat boring…
    GW2, on the other hand, really looks mighty fine. Enjoyed the first, and if they now replace their “same story for all” approach with “your own story and world”, and manage to keep it interesting, this could as well be the best mmoRPG I might ever play.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3NUDXZVQQDRD6X4IMMPKGT7PBQ Nick

    I guess i got a little ahead of myself when i ranted about his rant, i did however calm down a bit and tried to put this into perspective.

    Simply putting it, haters will hate.

    Sometimes due to close mindedness, others out of prejudice and it can even go as far as jealousy or because they feel intimidated.

    The biggest issue is, Video game opinions on the internet. Business that should not be serious, but it is anyway.

    I realized that after a few minutes thinking to myself about how this got to me, and started to understand that, while he might stir up some trollin, the people who have faith in the game, should ultimately ignore this type of person.

    This very biased person who admitted he has not liked a final fantasy since way back when.

    Funny though, i have not seen any big “OMG im cancelling my preorderz cause spoony said itz bad” threads pop up, so that makes me feel a little better.

    185,000+ preorders in the us, not sure how many in japan.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Andrew-Ciccaroni/72002282 Andrew Ciccaroni

      You realize there are people who have openly said they played beta and cancelled, right? But Preorders must mean the quality of a game. It can’t be hyped and then be bad, can it? I mean, we can’t name a time where this has happened before, right? (in case you’re wondering, Two Worlds would be a good example.)

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Andrew-Ciccaroni/72002282 Andrew Ciccaroni

      You realize there are people who have openly said they played beta and cancelled, right? But Preorders must mean the quality of a game. It can’t be hyped and then be bad, can it? I mean, we can’t name a time where this has happened before, right? (in case you’re wondering, Two Worlds would be a good example.)

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Andrew-Ciccaroni/72002282 Andrew Ciccaroni

      You realize there are people who have openly said they played beta and cancelled, right? But Preorders must mean the quality of a game. It can’t be hyped and then be bad, can it? I mean, we can’t name a time where this has happened before, right? (in case you’re wondering, Two Worlds would be a good example.)

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3NUDXZVQQDRD6X4IMMPKGT7PBQ Nick

    they generally do save the best for the tokyo game show, since as their main base is in japan. But also, when the updates they are rolling out on launch, dont be surprised if they add more in the next week. It seems they have been working on the patches for a while now.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3NUDXZVQQDRD6X4IMMPKGT7PBQ Nick

    oh no, not the “i’ll post one review from some guys blog who hates the game and that will be the only review that matters” trick… hmm sounds like the way people treat spoonys reviews.

    gamestats.com/objects/826/826843/ how about those reviews? Those reviews matter?

    how about the near 6 million new copies sold and countless more (litterally countless cause we dont know how much) in second hand sales like ebay and gamestop?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cody-Osborne/100001204722682 Cody Osborne

    Well arn’t you the most pathetic little troll of them all? You speak of non-comprehension, and there-in lies your contradictory. THIS IS THE FIRST TIME YOU’VE SEEN SPOONY! I mean in all regards to your statements made, you’re just an ignorant cow with a mind so lackluster it’s sad. Trolls like you are the real ones adding nails to the games coffin ya know.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cody-Osborne/100001204722682 Cody Osborne

    Not the case as if her argument had any validity, than this will be her first time to thespoonyexperiment, and most likely her last, as I highly doubt she’ll return, unless she indeed is trolling. In actuality, I see you more closley linked to a troll than Renaissance_nerd in this regard.

    • Renaissance_nerd

      i usually find that the ones that are so quick to lay down the “troll” blame are usually one themselves.

    • Renaissance_nerd

      i usually find that the ones that are so quick to lay down the “troll” blame are usually one themselves.

    • Renaissance_nerd

      i usually find that the ones that are so quick to lay down the “troll” blame are usually one themselves.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cody-Osborne/100001204722682 Cody Osborne

    I think that if someone can entertain us as such, then go for it! Hell, I’d donate a weekly fee to the guy if he needed it to keep up the site. Sometimes I disagree with him, like on D&D 4e, but that doesn’t mean I don’t value his imput and get a wonderful laugh out of the rest. You know Darephony, you should try being more open minded, ya know?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Trisha-Hicks/1071696473 Trisha Hicks

    Why in the world are you still around this comment thread? You’ve been saying your peace about your hatred of FFXIV foreeevveerr now and can’t seem to leave ANY positive comment alone. There is actually nothing wrong with the above post, and though he didn’t acknowledge the cancellations, he might or might not know, and it does not invalidate a single thing he has said. Especially if you consider most people cancelled only after the surplus rumors got out of hand, rumors about a system that SE devs openly said they would be working on and might very well be changing the numbers on.

    Anyway. I won’t go into it. I’m just honestly wondering here. Have you been burned by FF in the past or what? Because you sure do care a lot about FFXIV..

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cody-Osborne/100001204722682 Cody Osborne

    “I see no regen health tag on this one, let ‘im pass.”

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cody-Osborne/100001204722682 Cody Osborne

    Too… many…. Os…. edit that please?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cody-Osborne/100001204722682 Cody Osborne

    Thank you for the correction! That makes me feel only more hopeful that GW2 will live up to my expectations, forgive me for just being scared of being let down, and I saw an NCsoft tag on on of the trailers, that’s the only reason why I labeled it as such. :3 but thanks again.

  • Anonymous

    To expand upon what emonyna said: The ingame store in GW1 lets you buy costumes, name changes, makeover/sex changes for your character, all of the games and expansions, storage slots, character slots, and an upgrade to the Game of the Year edition that provides you with a couple (mediocre) weapons, this being in a game where max weapons are regularly merc-ed because they’re so plentiful. Their philosophy has always been to make it easy to achieve max power, and for any extra grind you want to do (or extra money you want to pay in their store) to be primarily about cosmetic things, in other words things that won’t make your character “better” than anyone else’s. They’ve specifically said that they’ve been watching the forums and making note of what things we think are OK to add to an ingame store, and which we’d hate (yes, we’ve made polls. This is a big thing for the GW community). They won’t go back on this and start adding XP scrolls or elite-stat items to the store, they just can’t; they’ll lose their most dedicated fans, and they know it.

  • http://twitter.com/imaginaryfiber Imaginary Fiber

    RE: FFXIV – lol you’re a whiny idiot. Those intro battles exist because of whiny bitches like you. Then when you get it, you still bitch. Cursing and crying doesn’t make your video any good. It just makes you sound like a cry baby and pretty much invalidates anything you have to say about the game.

    • Anonymous

      Heaven FORBID a game demo actually try to show you what’s great about the game and get you pumped up to spend money on it, right? I mean, it’s not like Squenix has to actually impress people anymore into buying their products.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Eleanor-Sailes/1316327494 Eleanor Sailes

    Yeah, I would be inclined to agree with you, but the only problem is that I don’t know anyone who has played 14 on an AMD system.

    All my friends use their PCs for more than gaming, so we buy Intel (as do I). I don’t know much about AMD, let alone their Phenom II processors… But I can do research!

    According to multiple sites, the x4 only runs as well as the i5, C2Q and C2E series. The x6 1090T, which is up there with the i7 920/930, paired with a GTX480 scored 3743 on the benchmarking program and… um… that’s just good enough for default settings. Lol?

    Seems that, like FF11, 14 relies heavily on your processor. What settings and resolution were you playing at?

  • http://loiosh-de-talto.livejournal.com/ Loiosh

    I gave the beta an extensive play through, and I must say I agree with what Spoony has said, though he did not cover the multitude of issues. The game is extremely regressive in terms of design and just poorly implemented in every way.

    Graphics are slow as performance requirements are extreme (I run a 5970 and could manage 60 fps only with lowering shadows and a few other detail settings [occlusion in particular]).

    The interface is badly designed:
    1. The right click ability of a mouse is ignored. To select a unit it must be tagged (left clicked) twice.
    2. To do /any type of non-combat interaction/, any type, at all, you must bring up the menu (default – key on the keyboard) and select your action from a submenu. These include joining groups, offering invites, interacting with objects, everything.
    3. Possible interactions are not clearly exposed. The game places a small icon in the middle top of the screen (hope it’s not blue!) which does not have a hover-over help. You have to bring up the menu ( – key again) to learn what the interaction is and what you can do about it.
    4. The entire UI is heavily designed for controller use, everything is done through the primary menu including any player-control options (changing gear, inviting friends to groups, adding friends, joining channels, etc)
    5. With the emphasis on controller UI, one would expect a default button-map to be offered for PS3 and 360 users (it’s not). You have to manually do this OUTSIDE of the game and cannot change it while the game is running.

    The patcher is incredibly slow and badly designed. It uses bittorrent, but refuses to seed once your download finishes so all users are forced to use a third-party client to download their patches (hopefully this’ll get fixed before release).
    The #1 and #2 issues for me relate to gameplay/MMO design:
    #1: The world is not quested, and not intended to be quested. What this means is that you get a short (6-9 step intro quest) and… that is it for questing. For the entire world. Everything else is either raw monster grinding (limited to 15 hours every week [oh, I forgot to mention this, you lose experience gain every hour you play. After 15 hours you no longer gain any experience. Take a week off on your chatacter]) or doing 48-hour grind quests (think WoW dailies)
    #2: There is no dedicated healing class. The ‘heal’ abilities are split out to other classes and then not emphasized or made compelling in any way. (Cure is a simple, single AoE heal, for example)

    There is absolutely no reason to play this game.

  • http://loiosh-de-talto.livejournal.com/ Loiosh

    I forgot to add: Quest objectives are not marked or flagged anywhere in the UI. The same goes for quest givers, there is no indication who can give quests for you beyond talking to every NPC.

    Not that this is a problem, since you only get one quest until level 10. The game is -more sparse- than LVL 50+ Age of Conan was at release, and that is -entirely- unacceptable these days for an MMO. Even other Asian MMOs (AION, RF: Online) include more questing.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/John-Italiano/522497712 John Italiano

    and that makes you an idiot, did you Guild Wars 2, or SWTOR, those games play and look amazing.

  • Anonymous

    Gotta disagree with this being a troll. It’s like dealing drugs: don’t partake of your own product. If you’re a troll, don’t be upset about something you’re trying to get people upset over. This is just a very insecure fan plugging her ears and screaming.

    Also (in regards to Amanda Warren), your younger days? It came out 6 or 7 years ago. Are you a 23 year old mountain sage now? Talk about melodrama.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZPJADLQNVER7B2MP7NHGYVXOQY John

    Yeah.. jeez.
    I wish we could ALL just appreciate the art of FF14.
    Why can’t I find it appealing?!
    Lawd, why!?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_AJYYVAE66CUBOW3GWRDV5UX2OA Rick

    It’s not that Andrew or I have been burned by FF in the past, it’s that these games just don’t have good characters or stories. That is all. They look beyond beautiful, but unfortunately there’s no “patch” that SE can release to make the story and characters worth caring about. All of the fanboys of FF seem as though they are trying to justify the price they are going to pay to play this game, and they don’t want people to think they are wasting their money every month playing a worthless game, so they’ll defend it to the death if need be.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_AJYYVAE66CUBOW3GWRDV5UX2OA Rick

    YEAH! That’s how you start a game, with a boring and easy fight! That makes so much sense!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_AJYYVAE66CUBOW3GWRDV5UX2OA Rick

    So much for trying to appeal to Western audiences…

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/John-Italiano/522497712 John Italiano

    I feel sorry that Spoony has to deal with all this your biased XIV is amazing crap, but this might just be his most commented video. At the very least, anyone who is bitching is advertising for him. He said what about FFXIV, let me show all my friends and rage about it.

  • Anonymous

    Any given customer is beneath the notice of a major company. It doesn’t make it good or smart business to ignore them. It sure as hell doesn’t justify it either. Snubbing your critics instead of trying to win them over doesn’t make a whole lot of sense either, and we’ve seen plenty of developers acknowledge their failings before and take them in stride.

  • Anonymous

    Just to clear things up I don’t think Spoony is just trying to stir up some trolling he’s just giving his opinion. He gets very passionate in his reviews and admittedly in cases like this he gets a little to passionate although sometimes I think he does it because fans like to see him flip out.

    Anyway Spoony has stated before with things that he has hated in the past that he doesn’t simply hate these games because he sets out to hate them and given the fact that he’s an old school FF fan I’d wager he’d love to post a video telling everyone that the new final fantasy is great and that everyone should buy but Spoony is very bitter about franchises like this (probably due to multiple disappointments) and as such is very pessimistic and weary when the next game is announced. As Yahtzee once said: “sometimes it’s better to assume everything’s shit until it can prove itself otherwise”.

    Let’s be honest, no one who genuinely has faith in this game is likely to be phased by this preview. This is more for people who are either on the fence or have serious doubts. Personally I didn’t care in the beginning and just seeing the footage from the game made me care even less with or without Spoonys commentary.

    One more thing: the whole “some people just hate because they’re jealous” argument may be true in some cases but most of the time it’s just a really old, weak, copout argument. I’m just saying.

  • Anonymous

    I had FFXIV Collector’s Edition pre-ordered at Amazon. After watching this video I was kinda disappointed but I figured Spoony was a tad biased and figured I was still going to try the game.

    However, after reading the comments here from FF zealots attacking this video I have to say I’m not going to be playing an MMO populated by your filth, and have cancelled my pre-order.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_AJYYVAE66CUBOW3GWRDV5UX2OA Rick

    Your questions have already been answered already Nick.

  • Anonymous

    You’re giving this idiot troll way too much attention.

    • Anonymous

      I guess you’re right trolls do tend to have this sort of “everyone is an idiot but me” mentality and will never reconsider their opinion on anything for anyone no matter what you say.

  • http://twitter.com/Mordaedil Mordaedil

    I have played in the Open Beta test of Final Fantasy XIV and I can say wholeheartedly that their tech demonstration of the game doesn’t do it justice.

    It is far worse than any game I have ever played. Not just with slow combat, but with unfair combat, boring visuals, terrible quests and a storyline I couldn’t give a crap about, which does not star your character as the protagonist, but at least two other people you meet in a beginning cut-scene that are basically whom the story revolves around.

    It is the lamest type of gameplay I played this year and was a worse showing than the Last Remnant, which was barely tolerable for a game in that it could actually kill you if you glazed over.

    Square-Enix can’t make good games anymore. It is beyond their capabilities. FFXIV is standing proof that Japan is behind when it comes to game design.

  • Anonymous

    If the game wasn’t really meant for western audiences, it really makes me question why Squeenix even bothered bringing a demo to PAX at all.

    “The only thing worse than Bad Press is No Press”…ok. Fine. That much is mostly true, but there are caveats.
    One of those caveats being that you aren’t being dissected and minimized by your competition, which is clearly the case here.

    To those who don’t believe me, just watch the video without audio (or specifically, Spoony’s parts, just to show off the official demo coverage without a voice or some source of bias).
    Now tell me: Whose game looks better based solely on what they were willing to show?

    Did you notice that by watching the Guild Wars 2 demo afterward that Final Fantasy 14 looked a whole lot worse?
    Nothing changed except your perspective.

    The only thing I could think of while I was watching the FF14 intro video was “Gee, this feels oddly similar to FF12’s intro. Beautiful, artsy, symbolic….and utterly irrelevant to the game itself.”

    Guild Wars 2 in comparison felt like they had nothing to hide. Both the single player and multiplayer content looks rock solid, the graphical style is colorful and fairly memorable in nature (I didn’t think of WoW once during the entire demo, and that is actually quite an accomplishment in retrospective), and they provided direct incentives to play their game (Squeenix’s sole incentive in comparison, is brand-recognition.)

    If the presenting company doesn’t seem interested in their their own game, why should you be interested?

  • http://pkht.org Jim Boom

    FF11 with a facelift doesn’t do much. Deus Ex: Human Revolution and The Third Birthday I look forward to being released. This? We can all pass this up.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3NUDXZVQQDRD6X4IMMPKGT7PBQ Nick

    You mean the ui That that se admitted was an issue and now they have a pre release patch to fix? Or about hardware mouse patch they will have ready?
    Are you sure we played the beta of the same game? Cause when I take a leve I get a arrow in my mini map of where to go.
    Se has addressed the big stuff right now and pleased a lot of people with the news. And since tgs is tomorrow we expect more changes.
    Se burned us with 13 and depending on who u talk to, 12 as well. I went into cb3 with an open mind and it was made up by mid open beta.

    Oh and another thing spoony, way to shit talk the beginning fight on the boat, did you notice he rolled a non combat class and was using stone throw?

  • http://twitter.com/LinkofShadows Mason Oliver

    I’ll take my time to make my own comment, because I feel you all are not giving Spoony or Square Enix their fair take. FFXI and FFXIV both are designed to be slow paced MMO’s which are somewhat popular in Japan, and Square and more companies have tried to bring to the table in America. I’ll agree that you do not have to like this game, nor are you forced to like it. Everyone is welcome to their own opinion. My recommendation is, keep watching Spoony because he is very enjoyable to watch, but buy the game and make your own opinion if you insist on defending or debunking it. Everyone likes different things and that is what makes us humans.
    – LinkofShadows

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Trisha-Hicks/1071696473 Trisha Hicks

    That wasn’t really my question though. I understand the desire to defend something you care about, be it your favorite incarnation of the joker in Batman or your own religion. Some, like me in particular, avoid these discussions due to what you’re seeing here on this comment thread. Every positive comment gets flamed and made null and void as if it were a direct attack on Spoony or complete nonesense, and every negative gets about 50 likes for jumping on the bandwagon, even a comment made to me that even the graphics in this game were the worst ever, which is just grasping at straws for more negatives now (when there are plenty of ACTUAL negatives out already to be seriously worried about).

    My question is why stick around and continue to comment on most positive posts after a day of already doing that yesterday? Are you people really thinking that by discouraging hopefuls of this game that you are “saving” them or something? What’s the point? I just thought that perhaps someone had had an extremely bad experience with an FF MMO title in the past to cause their constant raid on it.

    I mean, face it, the positive post above was just that, a glimpse of positivity. It didn’t give loads of BS like “THERE BE NO PROBREMS HERE”. He said he realized what he was doing, posting in an area where FF trolls and hate flow like water down a creek, so he shouldn’t allow himself to get carried away or upset. Haters will hate, the poster said, but he’ll make his own decisions about the game, is the gist of the post. So why pick at it? What is so wrong about someone saying “this is what I personally believe about the game and I shouldn’t let others with other opinions make me angry”.

    Unless you have some sort of vendetta.

  • http://twitter.com/LinkofShadows Mason Oliver

    If anyone wants to know my opinion, I will be trying out FFXIV because I enjoyed FFXI and I will enjoy playing a fresh new game, and also will be playing GW2 because I played the old Guild Wars Games. Both brought me entertainment with their share of different types of gameplay.

  • http://twitter.com/LinkofShadows Mason Oliver

    Basically the short answer is, if your wallet’s empty you won’t be held back by fees while playing GW2.

  • Anonymous

    Not to offend you or anything Trisha but the exact same question could the leveled at you. Why are you still here making excuses for the fans and trying to stand against a tide of rampant haters?

  • Anonymous

    Well, I can agree 100% with this. Although I think no MMO can compete with WoW, at least not in subscription numbers. 11 million people, that’s insane.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WZVR475LNNTIRI6IJED43R7OIY g

    Why are you so butthurt spoony?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_AJYYVAE66CUBOW3GWRDV5UX2OA Rick

    Because he had to sit through a plodding and sorry excuse for a game.

  • Anonymous

    So is Guild Wars 2 an actual mmorpg?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_AJYYVAE66CUBOW3GWRDV5UX2OA Rick

    I’m not going to spend the kind of money an MMO demands before I even know if it’s good or not from reviews.

  • Anonymous

    Why so butthurt g?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_5VSXTII6UWC3YSWH2AQ3XXJ3ZI Clayton

    Yeah, and his gf is ugly as hell, so it’s not saying much.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Elizabeth-Pannel/1237765347 Elizabeth Pannel

      Wow, stooping that low are we? By the way, I think Scarlett is very pretty.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_5VSXTII6UWC3YSWH2AQ3XXJ3ZI Clayton

    Do your research, many things are changing for launch. SE just released a ton of info on the changes yesterday.

    People that had canceled their pre-orders, are now pre-ordering it again due to the changes being made.

    Inform yourself before hating with ignorance…. Just saying, you come off as very uninformed, much like spoony did..

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_5VSXTII6UWC3YSWH2AQ3XXJ3ZI Clayton

    How about finding those glitches after launch, and not in a BETA???

    Stupid is as stupid says…

  • Anonymous

    It looks like they windexed FF XI and are throwing it back at us. Fool me once Square…

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_AJYYVAE66CUBOW3GWRDV5UX2OA Rick

    Did you not read his intro for this video? SE chose which class to play, not Spoony. And I’m still waiting for an answer about whether or not they’ll release a patch that will fix the story and characters, but I’m guessing that’s a no.

  • Anonymous

    The trouble with this video, specifically the Final Fantasy part, is that we all know that Spoony is somewhat biased and over reactive to Final Fantasy. So it is a little difficult get a clear idea of what the game is like because of that – at least going by what he says. However, the visuals do give an idea and perhaps Spoony has got a point: it does look somewhat lacklustre.

    I have to say Guld Wars 2 does look quite epic – especially that bit with the Dragon or whatever it is towards the end (looks like a graphic card strainer if I ever saw one! :D). Methinks I’ll be picking up a copy of that where before I might have given it a miss – particularly as it’s not one of those rotten pay per month MMOs.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Thomas-Plummer/100000149760526 Thomas Plummer

    Buying a game costs money–in this day and age, a LOT of money. This money goes to the people who made it, and if it’s a terrible game, congratulation! you just rewarded people for making a shitty game!(NOTE: I am not refering specifically to Sqeenix here, but rather to any game/came company)

    That’s why people rent games, and it’s why people listen to/read reviews of games before buying them. The problem with MMOs is that you can’t rent the game first to see how it plays. You either have to take a chance with your money, or pay attention to reviews.

    When it comes to reviewers, your best bet is to look at what they have reviewed in the past. If their view generally lines up with what what your view was, then they are probably a good index of whether you will like the game. If it’s generally oppsed to your opinion, then similarly it is a good index of whether to play the game–if they hate everything you like, then their hating a game is likely an indication you will like it.

    However, Spoony was not reviewing either game. He was reviewing the way in which the games were presented.

    It sounds like Squeenix acted like a juggernaught that just intends to steamroll over any bumps, and didn’t put any effort into the con. With little interaction, a crash of the demo software, and showing a fight that did nothing to exercise their strengths, they left little impression on Spoony, and presumably on most of the other people at the con. Instead, they focused on showing pretty FMVs. I can only assume they were playing to the people who were already interested in the game, or their hardcore fanbase. Which makes you wonder why they even went. The point of the4se events is to get people who are not already set on buying the game interested. To quote spoony, “Their job, their mandate is to make the game look fun, exciting, and fresh.”

    In contrast, The GW2 setup, on the other hand, sounds like it was designed to get people excited and hyped over the game, and focus on why their game was different than every other MMO out there. In terms of presentation, judging by Spoony’s response, they succeeded.

    This doesn’t mean that GW2 will be better than FFXIV (I think I’ll like it more, simply for the whole what you do effects the world thing) but it does mean that spoony, and presumably a bunch of other people, came a way much more excited about GW2 than about FFXIV.

  • http://twitter.com/kyosak Kyoung-Sang Kim

    I lol’d at the # of comments.
    Why so butthurt SE fanboys? FF14 really isn’t all it’s cracked up to be.
    This is coming from an ex-FF11 player and alpha/beta tester for 14…

    Also, stop comparing 14 to any of the offline games in the series. This is an MMORPG and the Final Fantasy name is just slapped on for sales… If you’re gonna compare the game to anything, compare it to FF11 or other MMOs… The single player FF games are irrelevant!

    • Anonymous

      You know I agree with you that we really shouldn’t compare this to the offline games, but when they gave the title Final Fantasy 14 they essentially did it themselves. Much like FF12 if it weren’t carrying the Final Fantasy name I think more people would be forgiving to it, but because it does it becomes second nature to want to look at it as part of the series. When it comes to me, I don’t care for MMO’s and openly admit that so I won’t judge a game I clearly have a true initial bias against it’s just not fair. It does look dull next to GW2 (just in terms of the preview they had at PAX) but unless I played both extensively I’m just not comfortable making that call from the previews.

  • Renaissance_nerd

    you wish you had a girl as hot as Scarlett

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Trisha-Hicks/1071696473 Trisha Hicks

    If you’ve read any of my posts.. I did waste like 45 mins replying here yesterday. And I did check today. And now I’ve wasted about 10 minutes on the posts you see above. I am actually a beta player of FFXIV, I did play FFXI, and my friends and I all agree how broken it is. We don’t see it as some magical unicorn and it’s offensive seeing all these hater posts saying “if you’re going to play XIV you’re just a blind fan boy”. I’m not going to repeat myself about all of the errors I see in the game now, just scroll down a lot or something. And I’m not going to repeat why I’ll be playing. Again, scroll the heck down.

    I would like to know when I have made excuses for other players like myself that don’t sit here and say “FFXIV is perfect, what are you talking about?” but instead say “these are the problems, no they won’t get fixed in time, I will be playing release anyway for a, b, and c, reasons”.

    I have tried to conduct myself intelligently and fairly. I have agreed to many negative points posted against me, and also I believe fairly disagreed to some others.

    At the end of the day. I CARE about how SE develops this game. I care about the future community I’ll be playing with because MMORPGS are about just that, the community. That is why I will continue to post here. Is that fair enough for you? I care deeply about a game so I’ll comment about it?

    I still haven’t gotten any reply as to why people that don’t care, don’t want to play the game, keep posting.

    Look around you at the bandwagon. I am fully aware of what community I am in now, the Spoony community. And I am aware no matter what I say or how fairly I try to debate, the community will try their hardest to make me look like a fool and a troll while amassing themselves behind anyone who “dares” to say “FFXIV fan, you are WRONG” no matter what post I actually made. Thus your instant 4 likes. And all of the things I posted above, and below.

  • http://twitter.com/perderedeus Tim Gulics

    I applaud Squeenix’s effort overall, but FF14 really does seem like an MMO on valium. Slow, uninteresting combat, very little visual feedback or excitement… that may change later on, but the purpose of a demo is to showcase the best parts of your product. “Highlight reel” comes to mind. With the demo there, you had a handful of floating monsters that either hovered sleepily or floated over to half-heartedly whallop you on the head, while your character stood fairly rigid and disinterested. Even WoW (which many ‘hip’ gamers love to pan) has more visual, visceral feedback and better pacing to their combat.

    GW2 looks incredible. The scope seems enormous. The character designs are great, a good balance between fresh and familiar.The combat looks to have loads of animations and effects to keep things enticing. From what I’m seeing, Arenanet is hitting every target, and I’m looking forward to playing GW2 when it comes out.

  • Renaissance_nerd

    i fail to understand how i can be uninformed when i am in the beta. i am using their product on a daily basis.

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