Final Fantasy VIII – Part 2

The Spoony One | Apr 5 2007 | more notation(s) | 

Some sick bastards actually wrote in asking for more Draw footage, and they had a point. You can’t understand what Final Fantasy VIII is until you’ve experienced just a fraction of that pure, transcendent pain. Watch, and fear…

  • Jacob

    Why not just learn other ways to draw magic?

  • Jacob

    Why not just learn other ways to draw magic?

  • Jacob

    Why not just learn other ways to draw magic?

  • Mikey from Blighty

    Hard as it is to believe, this is by far the most efficient way to get the awful spells.

    There are several spell draw points located throughout the landscape, but they take hours to replenish after use and are pretty stingy anyway.

    Then there is the transforming of items into spells by using your GF, which must be painstakingly taught these abilities through endless grinding (Cactuar ease the strain…). Actually getting the decent items requires more grinding.

    Great work Noah, may you complete your legacy.

  • Mikey from Blighty

    Hard as it is to believe, this is by far the most efficient way to get the awful spells.

    There are several spell draw points located throughout the landscape, but they take hours to replenish after use and are pretty stingy anyway.

    Then there is the transforming of items into spells by using your GF, which must be painstakingly taught these abilities through endless grinding (Cactuar ease the strain…). Actually getting the decent items requires more grinding.

    Great work Noah, may you complete your legacy.

  • Mikey from Blighty

    Hard as it is to believe, this is by far the most efficient way to get the awful spells.

    There are several spell draw points located throughout the landscape, but they take hours to replenish after use and are pretty stingy anyway.

    Then there is the transforming of items into spells by using your GF, which must be painstakingly taught these abilities through endless grinding (Cactuar ease the strain…). Actually getting the decent items requires more grinding.

    Great work Noah, may you complete your legacy.

  • Jacob

    Why not just ignore spells? Not having played any FF games, I don’t know how crucial spells are. But I would imagine not drawing would make this game less excruciating, if harder.

  • Jacob

    Why not just ignore spells? Not having played any FF games, I don’t know how crucial spells are. But I would imagine not drawing would make this game less excruciating, if harder.

  • Jacob

    Why not just ignore spells? Not having played any FF games, I don’t know how crucial spells are. But I would imagine not drawing would make this game less excruciating, if harder.

  • Marioandli

    Jacob, you need magic in this game, I can’t stress it enough.

    You see, in Final Fantasy 8, your enemies level up WITH YOU, cool right? WRONG.

    The problem with this is, they are, of course, stronger. So, the only way to get better is to not level up but junction magic to your stats. Of course, you don’t need 100 of ever spell in the game, and there are easier ways to get many spells(triple triad, and then using the ability to transform cards into magic items, and then changing magic items into spells).

    That being said, it’s a lot more easier if you just don’t level up and stick to level one, how? Thanks to Seifer Almasy, in the town you invade at the beginning, kill off Squall and Zell, and start using Seifer, the two don’t get exp(and since Seifer leaves, he won’t level up the enemies for long) and through this tactic you can gain tons of AP for Ifrit/Quez/Shiva, and thus you can get the abilities you need to turn enemies into cards, change said cards into items/spells, etc.

    So while Mikey is wrong with the magic, he does bring up a good point that this does suck, and while I did love FF8 to death, the junction system was a pain in the ass…if only they did it better.

  • Marioandli

    Jacob, you need magic in this game, I can’t stress it enough.

    You see, in Final Fantasy 8, your enemies level up WITH YOU, cool right? WRONG.

    The problem with this is, they are, of course, stronger. So, the only way to get better is to not level up but junction magic to your stats. Of course, you don’t need 100 of ever spell in the game, and there are easier ways to get many spells(triple triad, and then using the ability to transform cards into magic items, and then changing magic items into spells).

    That being said, it’s a lot more easier if you just don’t level up and stick to level one, how? Thanks to Seifer Almasy, in the town you invade at the beginning, kill off Squall and Zell, and start using Seifer, the two don’t get exp(and since Seifer leaves, he won’t level up the enemies for long) and through this tactic you can gain tons of AP for Ifrit/Quez/Shiva, and thus you can get the abilities you need to turn enemies into cards, change said cards into items/spells, etc.

    So while Mikey is wrong with the magic, he does bring up a good point that this does suck, and while I did love FF8 to death, the junction system was a pain in the ass…if only they did it better.

  • Marioandli

    Jacob, you need magic in this game, I can’t stress it enough.

    You see, in Final Fantasy 8, your enemies level up WITH YOU, cool right? WRONG.

    The problem with this is, they are, of course, stronger. So, the only way to get better is to not level up but junction magic to your stats. Of course, you don’t need 100 of ever spell in the game, and there are easier ways to get many spells(triple triad, and then using the ability to transform cards into magic items, and then changing magic items into spells).

    That being said, it’s a lot more easier if you just don’t level up and stick to level one, how? Thanks to Seifer Almasy, in the town you invade at the beginning, kill off Squall and Zell, and start using Seifer, the two don’t get exp(and since Seifer leaves, he won’t level up the enemies for long) and through this tactic you can gain tons of AP for Ifrit/Quez/Shiva, and thus you can get the abilities you need to turn enemies into cards, change said cards into items/spells, etc.

    So while Mikey is wrong with the magic, he does bring up a good point that this does suck, and while I did love FF8 to death, the junction system was a pain in the ass…if only they did it better.

  • calpal80833

    I was actually curious with the draw system, that I played FF8 on an emulator. The only efficient way to get a bunch of draws was to speed up the battle in the options menu.

  • calpal80833

    I was actually curious with the draw system, that I played FF8 on an emulator. The only efficient way to get a bunch of draws was to speed up the battle in the options menu.

  • calpal80833

    I was actually curious with the draw system, that I played FF8 on an emulator. The only efficient way to get a bunch of draws was to speed up the battle in the options menu.

  • http://hunternovel.mevio.com/ Marcus Noble

    I do agree that the draw system is rather strange. There is no magical item or piece of technology that allows the protagonists to draw magic. So it could be implied that they have some sort of telepathic ability that allows them to do so, and attach said spells to their attributes and use them in battle. Though this never really is explained within the plot of the game.

    In FF7 it made sense that you used the materia attached to your characters weapons and armor to use spells and abilities. It even explained within the plot of the game what materia is and how it gives people these abilities.

  • http://hunternovel.mevio.com/ Marcus Noble

    I do agree that the draw system is rather strange. There is no magical item or piece of technology that allows the protagonists to draw magic. So it could be implied that they have some sort of telepathic ability that allows them to do so, and attach said spells to their attributes and use them in battle. Though this never really is explained within the plot of the game.

    In FF7 it made sense that you used the materia attached to your characters weapons and armor to use spells and abilities. It even explained within the plot of the game what materia is and how it gives people these abilities.

  • http://hunternovel.mevio.com Marcus Noble

    I do agree that the draw system is rather strange. There is no magical item or piece of technology that allows the protagonists to draw magic. So it could be implied that they have some sort of telepathic ability that allows them to do so, and attach said spells to their attributes and use them in battle. Though this never really is explained within the plot of the game.

    In FF7 it made sense that you used the materia attached to your characters weapons and armor to use spells and abilities. It even explained within the plot of the game what materia is and how it gives people these abilities.

  • KaylaKaze

    You can turn on cursor memory in the config and just hold down the button.

  • KaylaKaze

    You can turn on cursor memory in the config and just hold down the button.

  • KaylaKaze

    You can turn on cursor memory in the config and just hold down the button.

  • Skye

    So you’re whining about grinding essentially?

    Damn, I can’t stand that I had to grind AP for Materia in FF VII!

    Damn, I can’t stand that I had to grind AP for abilities in FF IX!

    Shit, why do I have grind Sphere levels AND find specific spheres in FF X? GGRRRRR!

    Same old argument. It’s all tedious and drawing magic was tedious too. If anything, FF VIII was far less of a level grind compared to the others *because* the enemies leveled up with you. Let’s not forget the plethora of magic refine abilities that somehow got overlooked (?) like Mid-Mag RF, High-Mag RF, Life Mag RF, Wind Mag RF, Ice Mag RF etc etc etc that allowed you to stock tons of spells from a handful of items. Shit, you could buy some tents and have 300 Curagas in the blink of an eye, enough for your entire fighting party. You also never need more than 3 or 4 characters with stocked magic since you can swap/trade stocks easily.

    So what’s with the whiny BS when you have quite a few of those abilities wide open to you almost from the start (and they don’t take very long to learn)? You obviously got fixated on a gameplay mechanic to the point of tunnel vision and didn’t even look for a way around it. Some drawing is necessary but not all that much….

  • Skye

    So you’re whining about grinding essentially?

    Damn, I can’t stand that I had to grind AP for Materia in FF VII!

    Damn, I can’t stand that I had to grind AP for abilities in FF IX!

    Shit, why do I have grind Sphere levels AND find specific spheres in FF X? GGRRRRR!

    Same old argument. It’s all tedious and drawing magic was tedious too. If anything, FF VIII was far less of a level grind compared to the others *because* the enemies leveled up with you. Let’s not forget the plethora of magic refine abilities that somehow got overlooked (?) like Mid-Mag RF, High-Mag RF, Life Mag RF, Wind Mag RF, Ice Mag RF etc etc etc that allowed you to stock tons of spells from a handful of items. Shit, you could buy some tents and have 300 Curagas in the blink of an eye, enough for your entire fighting party. You also never need more than 3 or 4 characters with stocked magic since you can swap/trade stocks easily.

    So what’s with the whiny BS when you have quite a few of those abilities wide open to you almost from the start (and they don’t take very long to learn)? You obviously got fixated on a gameplay mechanic to the point of tunnel vision and didn’t even look for a way around it. Some drawing is necessary but not all that much….

  • Skye

    So you’re whining about grinding essentially?

    Damn, I can’t stand that I had to grind AP for Materia in FF VII!

    Damn, I can’t stand that I had to grind AP for abilities in FF IX!

    Shit, why do I have grind Sphere levels AND find specific spheres in FF X? GGRRRRR!

    Same old argument. It’s all tedious and drawing magic was tedious too. If anything, FF VIII was far less of a level grind compared to the others *because* the enemies leveled up with you. Let’s not forget the plethora of magic refine abilities that somehow got overlooked (?) like Mid-Mag RF, High-Mag RF, Life Mag RF, Wind Mag RF, Ice Mag RF etc etc etc that allowed you to stock tons of spells from a handful of items. Shit, you could buy some tents and have 300 Curagas in the blink of an eye, enough for your entire fighting party. You also never need more than 3 or 4 characters with stocked magic since you can swap/trade stocks easily.

    So what’s with the whiny BS when you have quite a few of those abilities wide open to you almost from the start (and they don’t take very long to learn)? You obviously got fixated on a gameplay mechanic to the point of tunnel vision and didn’t even look for a way around it. Some drawing is necessary but not all that much….

  • Syncognition

    Here is the failure of the argument though, Skye. The Sphere grid, Equipment ability, and Materia systems were all intuitive. That is, You gained the necessary objects through regular battle/shop actions that most would take in a JRPG, rather than designating an entire battle mechanic and sub-menu micromanagement to them. I love FFVIII, but you have to admit, it was far less tedious to just:

    -Use the spheres enemies dropped in battle on the sphere grid in X to permanently improve stats and learn abilities

    -Equip the weapon and select the skill/ability you want to learn in IX

    -Buy the materia and equip it to a character to advance it

    than it was to draw in battle, refine, card mod and then refine, draw from the field, and then have to junction to improve stats and cause added effects. It defeats the entire purpose of having spells in the first place, as you never end up casting magic because it is better to junction it. Any game mechanic that makes another mechanic pointless is bad design, and that’s what the junction mechanic does to the spell mechanic. It is pointless. It is like if you had the choice of using EITHER a weapon, OR learning the ability it contains in FFIX (ok, they sort of did that in VI with ragnarok, but that is livable as a one time choice, not a mechanic to design your entire game on).

  • Syncognition

    Here is the failure of the argument though, Skye. The Sphere grid, Equipment ability, and Materia systems were all intuitive. That is, You gained the necessary objects through regular battle/shop actions that most would take in a JRPG, rather than designating an entire battle mechanic and sub-menu micromanagement to them. I love FFVIII, but you have to admit, it was far less tedious to just:

    -Use the spheres enemies dropped in battle on the sphere grid in X to permanently improve stats and learn abilities

    -Equip the weapon and select the skill/ability you want to learn in IX

    -Buy the materia and equip it to a character to advance it

    than it was to draw in battle, refine, card mod and then refine, draw from the field, and then have to junction to improve stats and cause added effects. It defeats the entire purpose of having spells in the first place, as you never end up casting magic because it is better to junction it. Any game mechanic that makes another mechanic pointless is bad design, and that’s what the junction mechanic does to the spell mechanic. It is pointless. It is like if you had the choice of using EITHER a weapon, OR learning the ability it contains in FFIX (ok, they sort of did that in VI with ragnarok, but that is livable as a one time choice, not a mechanic to design your entire game on).

  • Syncognition

    Here is the failure of the argument though, Skye. The Sphere grid, Equipment ability, and Materia systems were all intuitive. That is, You gained the necessary objects through regular battle/shop actions that most would take in a JRPG, rather than designating an entire battle mechanic and sub-menu micromanagement to them. I love FFVIII, but you have to admit, it was far less tedious to just:

    -Use the spheres enemies dropped in battle on the sphere grid in X to permanently improve stats and learn abilities

    -Equip the weapon and select the skill/ability you want to learn in IX

    -Buy the materia and equip it to a character to advance it

    than it was to draw in battle, refine, card mod and then refine, draw from the field, and then have to junction to improve stats and cause added effects. It defeats the entire purpose of having spells in the first place, as you never end up casting magic because it is better to junction it. Any game mechanic that makes another mechanic pointless is bad design, and that’s what the junction mechanic does to the spell mechanic. It is pointless. It is like if you had the choice of using EITHER a weapon, OR learning the ability it contains in FFIX (ok, they sort of did that in VI with ragnarok, but that is livable as a one time choice, not a mechanic to design your entire game on).

  • Holly

    I find drawing spells one of the easiest things to do in FFIII, and I’m not even around for it.

    In the configuration you can set the cursor to memory, so it remembers the last move that you did with each character. Do a draw once with each, set a heavy book on the x-button, and go have some lunch. Come back, whoop all done.

    If you level up properly, not even the big monsters will give you trouble when you do this. There are always monsters who can’t hurt you much who have good spells.

    Course….as far as I know, no monsters have the ultima spells….the only way I remember getting enough of them was constantly running around to the draw points around the world map..THAT took forever.

  • Holly

    I find drawing spells one of the easiest things to do in FFIII, and I’m not even around for it.

    In the configuration you can set the cursor to memory, so it remembers the last move that you did with each character. Do a draw once with each, set a heavy book on the x-button, and go have some lunch. Come back, whoop all done.

    If you level up properly, not even the big monsters will give you trouble when you do this. There are always monsters who can’t hurt you much who have good spells.

    Course….as far as I know, no monsters have the ultima spells….the only way I remember getting enough of them was constantly running around to the draw points around the world map..THAT took forever.

  • Holly

    I find drawing spells one of the easiest things to do in FFIII, and I’m not even around for it.

    In the configuration you can set the cursor to memory, so it remembers the last move that you did with each character. Do a draw once with each, set a heavy book on the x-button, and go have some lunch. Come back, whoop all done.

    If you level up properly, not even the big monsters will give you trouble when you do this. There are always monsters who can’t hurt you much who have good spells.

    Course….as far as I know, no monsters have the ultima spells….the only way I remember getting enough of them was constantly running around to the draw points around the world map..THAT took forever.

  • Queen000

    Why not just switch your controls to memory? If you go into configuration, you can get the game to memorize what your last move was. That makes drawing easier.

    Either that, of you can just kill monsters or play cards and create spells that way. Currently watching your card game review bit while writing this, and the card game is actually addictive. P.S. I hate the direct trading rule too.

  • Queen000

    Why not just switch your controls to memory? If you go into configuration, you can get the game to memorize what your last move was. That makes drawing easier.

    Either that, of you can just kill monsters or play cards and create spells that way. Currently watching your card game review bit while writing this, and the card game is actually addictive. P.S. I hate the direct trading rule too.

  • Queen000

    Why not just switch your controls to memory? If you go into configuration, you can get the game to memorize what your last move was. That makes drawing easier.

    Either that, of you can just kill monsters or play cards and create spells that way. Currently watching your card game review bit while writing this, and the card game is actually addictive. P.S. I hate the direct trading rule too.

  • CZ

    I’m so glad my parents were ignorant enough about video games at the time to never consider buying this for me.

  • CZ

    I’m so glad my parents were ignorant enough about video games at the time to never consider buying this for me.

  • CZ

    I’m so glad my parents were ignorant enough about video games at the time to never consider buying this for me.

  • Ryunosuke

    Although I liked FF8, I have to agree that the draw/junction system is pretty terrible. It’s boring, it’s complicated, and actually casting spells really is pretty much useless, especially since the GFs all do more damage, and for free.

    Oddly enough, sitting through the GF summons never really bothered me, not even the dreaded Eden summon, which must be at least a minute long, and doesn’t make any sense at all…

  • Ryunosuke

    Although I liked FF8, I have to agree that the draw/junction system is pretty terrible. It’s boring, it’s complicated, and actually casting spells really is pretty much useless, especially since the GFs all do more damage, and for free.

    Oddly enough, sitting through the GF summons never really bothered me, not even the dreaded Eden summon, which must be at least a minute long, and doesn’t make any sense at all…

  • Ryunosuke

    Although I liked FF8, I have to agree that the draw/junction system is pretty terrible. It’s boring, it’s complicated, and actually casting spells really is pretty much useless, especially since the GFs all do more damage, and for free.

    Oddly enough, sitting through the GF summons never really bothered me, not even the dreaded Eden summon, which must be at least a minute long, and doesn’t make any sense at all…

  • TheOvernite

    Hey you guys, you know what’s the problem with the whole memory thing?
    You’d have to entertain yourself somehow while playing a game because it’s too boring. That’s not fun, that’s just pointless work.
    Of course, I’m biased, because I can’t stand turn-based combat anyway, so the drawing just makes it worse. But again, it’s just unnecessary.
    Anyway, I love the beginning of this part. “PAIN.”

  • TheOvernite

    Hey you guys, you know what’s the problem with the whole memory thing?
    You’d have to entertain yourself somehow while playing a game because it’s too boring. That’s not fun, that’s just pointless work.
    Of course, I’m biased, because I can’t stand turn-based combat anyway, so the drawing just makes it worse. But again, it’s just unnecessary.
    Anyway, I love the beginning of this part. “PAIN.”

  • TheOvernite

    Hey you guys, you know what’s the problem with the whole memory thing?
    You’d have to entertain yourself somehow while playing a game because it’s too boring. That’s not fun, that’s just pointless work.
    Of course, I’m biased, because I can’t stand turn-based combat anyway, so the drawing just makes it worse. But again, it’s just unnecessary.
    Anyway, I love the beginning of this part. “PAIN.”

  • Wulfen73

    To be honest I never bothered drawing magic or doing a lot of refining, I did play triple triad so I just pick and chose which spells to pump out but then I enjoyed the card game. Not sure why I liked triple triad, it was teeth grindingly hard sometimes but , I completed the game at level 48 without bothering to grind anything, I personally think that FF8′s biggest weakness is it is way too easy. I liked the junction system but I agree that drawing magic was to tedious, and well, rather unneeded.

  • Wulfen73

    To be honest I never bothered drawing magic or doing a lot of refining, I did play triple triad so I just pick and chose which spells to pump out but then I enjoyed the card game. Not sure why I liked triple triad, it was teeth grindingly hard sometimes but , I completed the game at level 48 without bothering to grind anything, I personally think that FF8′s biggest weakness is it is way too easy. I liked the junction system but I agree that drawing magic was to tedious, and well, rather unneeded.

  • Wulfen73

    To be honest I never bothered drawing magic or doing a lot of refining, I did play triple triad so I just pick and chose which spells to pump out but then I enjoyed the card game. Not sure why I liked triple triad, it was teeth grindingly hard sometimes but , I completed the game at level 48 without bothering to grind anything, I personally think that FF8′s biggest weakness is it is way too easy. I liked the junction system but I agree that drawing magic was to tedious, and well, rather unneeded.

  • SsnakeBite

    Hm, sorry but the points made in this episode are far from right. First of all, if you set the controls to “memory” in the configuration menu, you can actually just mash the buttons and do something else in the meantime (though it is true that it does work very well against strong opponents).
    Second, you don’t HAVE to steal from enemies to get magic spells. Actually, I almost never steal any magic from the enemies, and I am still loaded with spells. There are magic sources (or however they’re called in English) from which you can get spells. They’re pink, they’re big, they glow, they are animated, you can’t miss them.

    And last but not least, why do you even bother stealing that many spells in one sitting?! I mean, it’s not like you’re going to use 100 Fire spells on one enemy, and it’s not like you’re going to die in 3 seconds if your stats aren’t at their highest right from the start.

    I don’t want to be an ass, but with all the respect I have for you, Spoony, it isn’t necessary to do any of this, so if you find stealing magic from enemies boring, well, you really have no-one to blame but yourself for doing it, as the game doesn’t force or even require you to do it.

    The first video did make some good point, but in this one, I really have the feeling you created your own problem.

  • SsnakeBite

    Hm, sorry but the points made in this episode are far from right. First of all, if you set the controls to “memory” in the configuration menu, you can actually just mash the buttons and do something else in the meantime (though it is true that it does work very well against strong opponents).
    Second, you don’t HAVE to steal from enemies to get magic spells. Actually, I almost never steal any magic from the enemies, and I am still loaded with spells. There are magic sources (or however they’re called in English) from which you can get spells. They’re pink, they’re big, they glow, they are animated, you can’t miss them.

    And last but not least, why do you even bother stealing that many spells in one sitting?! I mean, it’s not like you’re going to use 100 Fire spells on one enemy, and it’s not like you’re going to die in 3 seconds if your stats aren’t at their highest right from the start.

    I don’t want to be an ass, but with all the respect I have for you, Spoony, it isn’t necessary to do any of this, so if you find stealing magic from enemies boring, well, you really have no-one to blame but yourself for doing it, as the game doesn’t force or even require you to do it.

    The first video did make some good point, but in this one, I really have the feeling you created your own problem.

  • SsnakeBite

    Hm, sorry but the points made in this episode are far from right. First of all, if you set the controls to “memory” in the configuration menu, you can actually just mash the buttons and do something else in the meantime (though it is true that it does work very well against strong opponents).
    Second, you don’t HAVE to steal from enemies to get magic spells. Actually, I almost never steal any magic from the enemies, and I am still loaded with spells. There are magic sources (or however they’re called in English) from which you can get spells. They’re pink, they’re big, they glow, they are animated, you can’t miss them.

    And last but not least, why do you even bother stealing that many spells in one sitting?! I mean, it’s not like you’re going to use 100 Fire spells on one enemy, and it’s not like you’re going to die in 3 seconds if your stats aren’t at their highest right from the start.

    I don’t want to be an ass, but with all the respect I have for you, Spoony, it isn’t necessary to do any of this, so if you find stealing magic from enemies boring, well, you really have no-one to blame but yourself for doing it, as the game doesn’t force or even require you to do it.

    The first video did make some good point, but in this one, I really have the feeling you created your own problem.

  • zzZ

    this is just dumb all kinds of grinding and whatsoever is same sh1t… ofc its boring but the good thing about this ff is that you only need to do it once and your done >_>

  • zzZ

    this is just dumb all kinds of grinding and whatsoever is same sh1t… ofc its boring but the good thing about this ff is that you only need to do it once and your done >_>

  • zzZ

    this is just dumb all kinds of grinding and whatsoever is same sh1t… ofc its boring but the good thing about this ff is that you only need to do it once and your done >_>

  • KillerBunnyFooFoo

    Yay for worthiness. And pray for a button that lets you skip cutscenes.

  • KillerBunnyFooFoo

    Yay for worthiness. And pray for a button that lets you skip cutscenes.

  • KillerBunnyFooFoo

    Yay for worthiness. And pray for a button that lets you skip cutscenes.

  • Aris

    I don’t know how I watched this whole thing. I was having flash backs to playing FFVIII (terrible flash backs) and yet somehow I couldn’t stop watching. OH MY GOD DRAWING MAGIC IS BORING. And while it may not be the only option, it is certainly the primary option; the one the game expects you to use and is mainly set up for. My solution was to be really lazy about it and only fill up a handful of spells (also I’d draw a few from each monster instead of finding just one and drawing everything from it).

  • Aris

    I don’t know how I watched this whole thing. I was having flash backs to playing FFVIII (terrible flash backs) and yet somehow I couldn’t stop watching. OH MY GOD DRAWING MAGIC IS BORING. And while it may not be the only option, it is certainly the primary option; the one the game expects you to use and is mainly set up for. My solution was to be really lazy about it and only fill up a handful of spells (also I’d draw a few from each monster instead of finding just one and drawing everything from it).

  • Aris

    I don’t know how I watched this whole thing. I was having flash backs to playing FFVIII (terrible flash backs) and yet somehow I couldn’t stop watching. OH MY GOD DRAWING MAGIC IS BORING. And while it may not be the only option, it is certainly the primary option; the one the game expects you to use and is mainly set up for. My solution was to be really lazy about it and only fill up a handful of spells (also I’d draw a few from each monster instead of finding just one and drawing everything from it).

  • Rakombo

    yeah the drawing is a torture but you can change the options to save the last command assigned to a character,i did that taped the button and watched tv in the meantime.the drawing is why i whenever i try to play again i quit cuz it takes me an hour or two to get to the second mission and later you have to repeat! fuckin shit!

  • Rakombo

    yeah the drawing is a torture but you can change the options to save the last command assigned to a character,i did that taped the button and watched tv in the meantime.the drawing is why i whenever i try to play again i quit cuz it takes me an hour or two to get to the second mission and later you have to repeat! fuckin shit!

  • Rakombo

    yeah the drawing is a torture but you can change the options to save the last command assigned to a character,i did that taped the button and watched tv in the meantime.the drawing is why i whenever i try to play again i quit cuz it takes me an hour or two to get to the second mission and later you have to repeat! fuckin shit!

  • bill

    uh

    your the only guy i know who bothers to draw every single spell from the enemy…

    you dont have to draw ever single spell, and its not like your fucked if you dont draw alot….

    im not even really a fanboy, and i see the retardness that is part 2 of this review.

  • bill

    uh

    your the only guy i know who bothers to draw every single spell from the enemy…

    you dont have to draw ever single spell, and its not like your fucked if you dont draw alot….

    im not even really a fanboy, and i see the retardness that is part 2 of this review.

  • bill

    uh

    your the only guy i know who bothers to draw every single spell from the enemy…

    you dont have to draw ever single spell, and its not like your fucked if you dont draw alot….

    im not even really a fanboy, and i see the retardness that is part 2 of this review.

  • Angus

    If you’re leveling or drawing magic, you’re doing it wrong.

  • Angus

    If you’re leveling or drawing magic, you’re doing it wrong.

  • Angus

    If you’re leveling or drawing magic, you’re doing it wrong.

  • Angus

    Also, I forgot this earlier. You can set the cursor to “memory,” then you can hold down the X button then go watch porn or something on tv.

  • Angus

    Also, I forgot this earlier. You can set the cursor to “memory,” then you can hold down the X button then go watch porn or something on tv.

  • Angus

    Also, I forgot this earlier. You can set the cursor to “memory,” then you can hold down the X button then go watch porn or something on tv.

  • Cody

    Wow that sucked… glad i never played FF8 :D

  • Cody

    Wow that sucked… glad i never played FF8 :D

  • Cody

    Wow that sucked… glad i never played FF8 :D

  • Jaclyn

    The gunblade isn’t practical, but it sounds really badass in theory. If the game had been better, you would have accepted the lack of realism

  • Jaclyn

    The gunblade isn’t practical, but it sounds really badass in theory. If the game had been better, you would have accepted the lack of realism

  • Jaclyn

    The gunblade isn’t practical, but it sounds really badass in theory. If the game had been better, you would have accepted the lack of realism

  • Kira

    Ah memories, when I could have been learning a new language or travelling the world…instead sat watching my character get their ass handed to them whilst I stole magic. Fun. This made my day, thank you for stealing my life FF8.

  • Kira

    Ah memories, when I could have been learning a new language or travelling the world…instead sat watching my character get their ass handed to them whilst I stole magic. Fun. This made my day, thank you for stealing my life FF8.

  • Kira

    Ah memories, when I could have been learning a new language or travelling the world…instead sat watching my character get their ass handed to them whilst I stole magic. Fun. This made my day, thank you for stealing my life FF8.

  • VoidKeeper

    Spoony, I will be honest with you man… I spent 0 hours drawing magic =S I’m serious, I finished the game barely ever drawing magic… I don’t really remember how I did this but I did it, I haven’t played this in a long time so , I really don’t remember, but I would remember if I spent hours drawing magic xD

  • VoidKeeper

    Spoony, I will be honest with you man… I spent 0 hours drawing magic =S I’m serious, I finished the game barely ever drawing magic… I don’t really remember how I did this but I did it, I haven’t played this in a long time so , I really don’t remember, but I would remember if I spent hours drawing magic xD

  • VoidKeeper

    Spoony, I will be honest with you man… I spent 0 hours drawing magic =S I’m serious, I finished the game barely ever drawing magic… I don’t really remember how I did this but I did it, I haven’t played this in a long time so , I really don’t remember, but I would remember if I spent hours drawing magic xD

  • sokejyuuken

    Erm, Spoony, I don’t know if you noticed, but you said Final Fantasy 2 around 1 minute, wich is funny because the stats system in final fantasy 2 is pretty messed up too, like if I remember, you have to be hit to increase you’re def and HP or something like that… WTF is that. It just seems random at time O_O The ****ing stat system is why I didn’t get into both final fantasy 2 AND 8.

    Also, yeah, Drawing magic takes ****ing forever.

  • sokejyuuken

    Erm, Spoony, I don’t know if you noticed, but you said Final Fantasy 2 around 1 minute, wich is funny because the stats system in final fantasy 2 is pretty messed up too, like if I remember, you have to be hit to increase you’re def and HP or something like that… WTF is that. It just seems random at time O_O The ****ing stat system is why I didn’t get into both final fantasy 2 AND 8.

    Also, yeah, Drawing magic takes ****ing forever.

  • sokejyuuken

    Erm, Spoony, I don’t know if you noticed, but you said Final Fantasy 2 around 1 minute, wich is funny because the stats system in final fantasy 2 is pretty messed up too, like if I remember, you have to be hit to increase you’re def and HP or something like that… WTF is that. It just seems random at time O_O The ****ing stat system is why I didn’t get into both final fantasy 2 AND 8.

    Also, yeah, Drawing magic takes ****ing forever.

  • Guest.

    Tips to make drawing easier:

    1: Set your cursor to memory (as mentioned), it’ll keep drawing from the same spell.

    2: Increase the battle speed. Even at the very beginning it will only take two or three seconds uninterrupted for the battle meter to fill up (outside during enemy attack animations, which stick even if set to active).

    3: If on an emulator, something on your Fast Forward key.

    4: Tape/put a rubberband around your selecting button, one click and you can do other things to avoid it.

    5: (especially later in the game): Have a real high magic stat, otherwise you’ll be doing piddly draw amounts instead of getting 9′s on every draw and spending twice as long you should.

    I can generally draw 100 magic for 3 characters in about 3-5 minutes on this set-up.

  • Guest.

    Tips to make drawing easier:

    1: Set your cursor to memory (as mentioned), it’ll keep drawing from the same spell.

    2: Increase the battle speed. Even at the very beginning it will only take two or three seconds uninterrupted for the battle meter to fill up (outside during enemy attack animations, which stick even if set to active).

    3: If on an emulator, something on your Fast Forward key.

    4: Tape/put a rubberband around your selecting button, one click and you can do other things to avoid it.

    5: (especially later in the game): Have a real high magic stat, otherwise you’ll be doing piddly draw amounts instead of getting 9′s on every draw and spending twice as long you should.

    I can generally draw 100 magic for 3 characters in about 3-5 minutes on this set-up.

  • Guest.

    Tips to make drawing easier:

    1: Set your cursor to memory (as mentioned), it’ll keep drawing from the same spell.

    2: Increase the battle speed. Even at the very beginning it will only take two or three seconds uninterrupted for the battle meter to fill up (outside during enemy attack animations, which stick even if set to active).

    3: If on an emulator, something on your Fast Forward key.

    4: Tape/put a rubberband around your selecting button, one click and you can do other things to avoid it.

    5: (especially later in the game): Have a real high magic stat, otherwise you’ll be doing piddly draw amounts instead of getting 9′s on every draw and spending twice as long you should.

    I can generally draw 100 magic for 3 characters in about 3-5 minutes on this set-up.

  • TCL

    Well though I won’t bother to say my personal feelings on FF8; I’ll just say this.

    The Draw System (Assuming you can figure out the memory cursor) is actually more efficient than leveling an individual magic skill, when you take into account that to grind for AP you’d need to find individual battles. Whereas here you just get to a decent level, and just leave the game alone for a bit.

    And for any of those that say leaving it alone doing this is bullshit… Welcome to the land of RPGs. I assume you hail from the land of FPS? I mean you grind… and this game levels quite quickly compared to following games. Also you ever tried leveling up your spells and abilities in FF7? (Without an emulator hack) It’s called much more massive pain than this; at least here you can get all your characters the good spells.

    But wtv… no one will ever read this, and if they do they’ll just rip on it, just felt i needed to say it.
    And yes I am a FF fan.

  • TCL

    Well though I won’t bother to say my personal feelings on FF8; I’ll just say this.

    The Draw System (Assuming you can figure out the memory cursor) is actually more efficient than leveling an individual magic skill, when you take into account that to grind for AP you’d need to find individual battles. Whereas here you just get to a decent level, and just leave the game alone for a bit.

    And for any of those that say leaving it alone doing this is bullshit… Welcome to the land of RPGs. I assume you hail from the land of FPS? I mean you grind… and this game levels quite quickly compared to following games. Also you ever tried leveling up your spells and abilities in FF7? (Without an emulator hack) It’s called much more massive pain than this; at least here you can get all your characters the good spells.

    But wtv… no one will ever read this, and if they do they’ll just rip on it, just felt i needed to say it.
    And yes I am a FF fan.

  • TCL

    Well though I won’t bother to say my personal feelings on FF8; I’ll just say this.

    The Draw System (Assuming you can figure out the memory cursor) is actually more efficient than leveling an individual magic skill, when you take into account that to grind for AP you’d need to find individual battles. Whereas here you just get to a decent level, and just leave the game alone for a bit.

    And for any of those that say leaving it alone doing this is bullshit… Welcome to the land of RPGs. I assume you hail from the land of FPS? I mean you grind… and this game levels quite quickly compared to following games. Also you ever tried leveling up your spells and abilities in FF7? (Without an emulator hack) It’s called much more massive pain than this; at least here you can get all your characters the good spells.

    But wtv… no one will ever read this, and if they do they’ll just rip on it, just felt i needed to say it.
    And yes I am a FF fan.

  • TCL

    Oh that being said, you are funnier than most web critics. And please insult the “Magic Bucket” from Crystal Chronicles if you’re ever bored… that was a fucking horrible mechanic, for a horrible game.

  • TCL

    Oh that being said, you are funnier than most web critics. And please insult the “Magic Bucket” from Crystal Chronicles if you’re ever bored… that was a fucking horrible mechanic, for a horrible game.

  • TCL

    Oh that being said, you are funnier than most web critics. And please insult the “Magic Bucket” from Crystal Chronicles if you’re ever bored… that was a fucking horrible mechanic, for a horrible game.

  • Carbiner

    Incidentally the graphics don’t really seem that bad and the score is still decent, I’m convinced I could actually play through this game again, despite the incomprehensible plot and other silliness. Its almost worth it for Bahamut/Doomtrain GF overkill sequence of wonders, but I suppose the game is pretty damn easy as well, so I’d eventually get bored. Beat Rush/Heel Drop and its all over.

  • Carbiner

    Incidentally the graphics don’t really seem that bad and the score is still decent, I’m convinced I could actually play through this game again, despite the incomprehensible plot and other silliness. Its almost worth it for Bahamut/Doomtrain GF overkill sequence of wonders, but I suppose the game is pretty damn easy as well, so I’d eventually get bored. Beat Rush/Heel Drop and its all over.

  • Carbiner

    Incidentally the graphics don’t really seem that bad and the score is still decent, I’m convinced I could actually play through this game again, despite the incomprehensible plot and other silliness. Its almost worth it for Bahamut/Doomtrain GF overkill sequence of wonders, but I suppose the game is pretty damn easy as well, so I’d eventually get bored. Beat Rush/Heel Drop and its all over.

  • D.W.

    Review FFX, Breath of Fire V DRAGON QUARTER, Final Fantasy Tactics, Mario Hotel, And Any ZELDA title. I wanna see some more popular review from you noah, please, your FFVIII review was spot-on.

  • D.W.

    Review FFX, Breath of Fire V DRAGON QUARTER, Final Fantasy Tactics, Mario Hotel, And Any ZELDA title. I wanna see some more popular review from you noah, please, your FFVIII review was spot-on.

  • D.W.

    Review FFX, Breath of Fire V DRAGON QUARTER, Final Fantasy Tactics, Mario Hotel, And Any ZELDA title. I wanna see some more popular review from you noah, please, your FFVIII review was spot-on.

  • Liam

    I seem to remember…NOT spending this long doing this. I played this game a lot when I was younger.

    I can’t remember I did it, but I did the whole power leveling thing, mainly just beating shit up.

    Drawing isn’t the only way to gain magic. As I’m sure I’d have the exact same complaint.

  • Liam

    I seem to remember…NOT spending this long doing this. I played this game a lot when I was younger.

    I can’t remember I did it, but I did the whole power leveling thing, mainly just beating shit up.

    Drawing isn’t the only way to gain magic. As I’m sure I’d have the exact same complaint.

  • http://Bleh Liam

    I seem to remember…NOT spending this long doing this. I played this game a lot when I was younger.

    I can’t remember I did it, but I did the whole power leveling thing, mainly just beating shit up.

    Drawing isn’t the only way to gain magic. As I’m sure I’d have the exact same complaint.

  • Shawn

    I’ve never played FF8 but this looks horribly boring. I can’t believe Squaresoft would make a game like that since Chrono Trigger and Mario RPG are two of my favorite games and they’re nothing like FF8.

  • Shawn

    I’ve never played FF8 but this looks horribly boring. I can’t believe Squaresoft would make a game like that since Chrono Trigger and Mario RPG are two of my favorite games and they’re nothing like FF8.

  • Shawn

    I’ve never played FF8 but this looks horribly boring. I can’t believe Squaresoft would make a game like that since Chrono Trigger and Mario RPG are two of my favorite games and they’re nothing like FF8.

  • armass

    what i cannnot believe is that some people are actually trying to defend this. This was just a waste of fucking time! And no, the rest of the game was not worth sitting through all this magic gathering. Final fantasy 8…. jesus, im embarrased to even call this game a part of the FF series. Its an embarrasment to the whole series.

  • armass

    what i cannnot believe is that some people are actually trying to defend this. This was just a waste of fucking time! And no, the rest of the game was not worth sitting through all this magic gathering. Final fantasy 8…. jesus, im embarrased to even call this game a part of the FF series. Its an embarrasment to the whole series.

  • armass

    what i cannnot believe is that some people are actually trying to defend this. This was just a waste of fucking time! And no, the rest of the game was not worth sitting through all this magic gathering. Final fantasy 8…. jesus, im embarrased to even call this game a part of the FF series. Its an embarrasment to the whole series.

  • Dostoevsky

    I can understand people defending this. It’s true that, once you get the mechanics down, gaining magic is signficiantly easier and faster than sitting here drawing from enemeis.

    Issue: getting the mechanics down.

    FF8 is one of the least intuitive systems I have ever seen in an RPG. I understand now, in retrospect, having looked at massive walkthroughs out of a long-smoldering fury of memory at the stupid things I would have to do to get any amount of power in this game. I needed to see if it was possible to play this game without wanting to kill yourself at intervals. Apparently, once you begin learning how to refine items and cards and scan for hidden draw points and so forth, everything begins massively easier. I can only assume that at some point it becomes something vaguely resembling fun. I myself could not get to the point where the game was anything more than a chore.

  • Dostoevsky

    I can understand people defending this. It’s true that, once you get the mechanics down, gaining magic is signficiantly easier and faster than sitting here drawing from enemeis.

    Issue: getting the mechanics down.

    FF8 is one of the least intuitive systems I have ever seen in an RPG. I understand now, in retrospect, having looked at massive walkthroughs out of a long-smoldering fury of memory at the stupid things I would have to do to get any amount of power in this game. I needed to see if it was possible to play this game without wanting to kill yourself at intervals. Apparently, once you begin learning how to refine items and cards and scan for hidden draw points and so forth, everything begins massively easier. I can only assume that at some point it becomes something vaguely resembling fun. I myself could not get to the point where the game was anything more than a chore.

  • Dostoevsky

    I can understand people defending this. It’s true that, once you get the mechanics down, gaining magic is signficiantly easier and faster than sitting here drawing from enemeis.

    Issue: getting the mechanics down.

    FF8 is one of the least intuitive systems I have ever seen in an RPG. I understand now, in retrospect, having looked at massive walkthroughs out of a long-smoldering fury of memory at the stupid things I would have to do to get any amount of power in this game. I needed to see if it was possible to play this game without wanting to kill yourself at intervals. Apparently, once you begin learning how to refine items and cards and scan for hidden draw points and so forth, everything begins massively easier. I can only assume that at some point it becomes something vaguely resembling fun. I myself could not get to the point where the game was anything more than a chore.

  • http://celluloidandsilicon.blogspot.com/ Avenging_Mike

    Every single person who suggests “setting the cursor to memory and then going and doing something else” seems, to me, to be forgetting something very basic.

    Final Fantasy VIII is supposed to be a GAME. Something you enjoy playing. If you have to ever go amuse yourself doing something else while playing, the programmers have failed on the absolute most basic level. I played this game, though for the life of me I cannot remember how far I got. I think to just after you get to fly the Garden around, but I won’t swear to that, and given the choice between drawing, and having to play that damned card game, I’ll pick playing Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles.

  • http://celluloidandsilicon.blogspot.com/ Avenging_Mike

    Every single person who suggests “setting the cursor to memory and then going and doing something else” seems, to me, to be forgetting something very basic.

    Final Fantasy VIII is supposed to be a GAME. Something you enjoy playing. If you have to ever go amuse yourself doing something else while playing, the programmers have failed on the absolute most basic level. I played this game, though for the life of me I cannot remember how far I got. I think to just after you get to fly the Garden around, but I won’t swear to that, and given the choice between drawing, and having to play that damned card game, I’ll pick playing Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles.

  • mikon

    Every single person who suggests “setting the cursor to memory and then going and doing something else” seems, to me, to be forgetting something very basic.

    Final Fantasy VIII is supposed to be a GAME. Something you enjoy playing. If you have to ever go amuse yourself doing something else while playing, the programmers have failed on the absolute most basic level. I played this game, though for the life of me I cannot remember how far I got. I think to just after you get to fly the Garden around, but I won’t swear to that, and given the choice between drawing, and having to play that damned card game, I’ll pick playing Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles.

  • Bruno

    Ya, way to go, spoony, noah, or whatever your fans call you.
    Really, I liked your comments on alone in the dark with NC and all. Decided to give your own videos a try.
    Jesus, FF8 can be considered crap. Really, I see no problem on that. It is pretty different from the rest of the series, plot revolves around some love story, unmemorable characters and all. Really, I do understand people don’t liking it.
    But. Your points make absolutelly no sense!
    Seriously! Why would anyone need 100 scans? Why would you ignore tutorials that show you how to draw magic efficiently? Why would you completely ignore the billions of other ways to get magic?
    An over-complicated system? God. I was 13 years old on it’s release, barelly knew my way around the english language, and I could understand everything. How complicated it is, one asks?
    Er… you have a Cure spell. Pretty deffensive. And you have a Fire spell, which is offensive. You have two attributes, Strenght and HP. Guess which one goes where? How obvious is it? And then, you have Life spell, which does more or less the same as Cure, but more effectivelly (since it actually brings back the dead and all). So you would guess that it increases your HP more than cure, right? Right! And now that you have stocked up some life spells – by refining an item that took you a handful of seconds to buy (wait, did you say that you need GF to shop? Well, for those that didn’t play the game, that’s a simple lie, there are shops everywhere) – you decide to junction more Life spells to your HP. It should increase your HP even more, right? Right!
    Seriously, it is just TOO INTUITIVE. While a -bit-. and i mean JUST A BIT different on the beggining, once you get it down – 15 seconds on the tutorial (which you could skip if you didn’t want to read, way to test all the buttons btw) – it is completely logical. Not only logical, it actually drew me a lot into the game at the time, because it kinda challenged me to experiment. Progressing a bit, you find a Protect spell. That should increase your Vitality attribute quite a bit, since the efect of the spell is decrease physical damage. Right? Right! Same for Shell increasing Spirit a lot as well. Haste for speed. How simple is that?
    And as for conplaining about the spells increasing and decreasing your attributes, am I the only one that realised that they did exactly that on Final Fantasy 7? Saying that “on ff7 it is ok, because it’s supposed to be less realistic” is far from a good excuse. No, really. FAR. Why do chunks of cristalized knowledged attached to a sword make you less strong and more inteligent? How does that work? Final fantasy never tried to explain those details. It’s final fantasy, not Star Trek.
    Love how people play the game on the least expected way they can come up with and blame the programmers. Really, anybody tried to just play the game? Level your characters as they go, learn one GF skill at a time, drawing spells as you need them? Seriously! It’s not like you need 100 of every spell. It’s not practical, it’s not supposed to be practical, never intended to be.
    Say, you need like 12 or 15 blizzards AT MOST to kill Ifrit. And maybe… 1 scan? Well, say you can’t scan him once and memorize more or less how much HP he has by subtracting the ammount of damage you’ve been dealing. Get yourself 10 scans. that’s 2, 3 attempts of drawing. Takes what, a minute of preparation? Or don’t prepare at all. Just charge at Ifrit, heads-on. Even though for every rpg player that would be the most boring scenario ever, you can do it. And it’s going to be an easy fight.
    Also love your circular logic when you mention that there are other ways to obtain magic. “This game is horrible because it takes forever to draw magic. I know that there are other ways of drawing magic, but I don’t even care because this game is horrible. Because it takes forever to draw magic.” Really, is that it? Was that the best you could think about? You see, circular logic might be applied to fool somebody, or maybe you use it without realising it, but it must be long. Or maybe intentionally confusing, if you’re trying to fool somebody. But, a logic circle that has 3 “knots”? How easy to spot that is? It doesn’t even sound you’re trying to be convincing. Just made you sound like you’re desperate to prove a point that you’re not even so sure why you came up with.
    But that’s ok, man. Really. I do respect your work. Specially you, you know, dealing with whatever made you not being able to understand a system that a 13 year old kid that barelly spoke the language at the time could easily figure out.
    And no, I didn’t bother watching the rest of your videos. Two parts were more than enough to see that it is rubbish.
    For those that didn’t notice, I wrote this comment totally on a “reviewer tone”. Offensive as they usually are, crude as they usually are. Not sure if comments are usually deleted on this website, but I hope not.
    Anyway, sorry for the massive ammount of sarcasm. Didn’t mean to be more offensive than you were to whoever made the game. The difference here being that, being able to accomplish it or not, at least I actually tried to point out where I think you failed, instead of creating problems in your video that weren’t there and blaming you.
    Good luck on your videos, hope that some criticism improve them.

  • Bruno

    Ya, way to go, spoony, noah, or whatever your fans call you.
    Really, I liked your comments on alone in the dark with NC and all. Decided to give your own videos a try.
    Jesus, FF8 can be considered crap. Really, I see no problem on that. It is pretty different from the rest of the series, plot revolves around some love story, unmemorable characters and all. Really, I do understand people don’t liking it.
    But. Your points make absolutelly no sense!
    Seriously! Why would anyone need 100 scans? Why would you ignore tutorials that show you how to draw magic efficiently? Why would you completely ignore the billions of other ways to get magic?
    An over-complicated system? God. I was 13 years old on it’s release, barelly knew my way around the english language, and I could understand everything. How complicated it is, one asks?
    Er… you have a Cure spell. Pretty deffensive. And you have a Fire spell, which is offensive. You have two attributes, Strenght and HP. Guess which one goes where? How obvious is it? And then, you have Life spell, which does more or less the same as Cure, but more effectivelly (since it actually brings back the dead and all). So you would guess that it increases your HP more than cure, right? Right! And now that you have stocked up some life spells – by refining an item that took you a handful of seconds to buy (wait, did you say that you need GF to shop? Well, for those that didn’t play the game, that’s a simple lie, there are shops everywhere) – you decide to junction more Life spells to your HP. It should increase your HP even more, right? Right!
    Seriously, it is just TOO INTUITIVE. While a -bit-. and i mean JUST A BIT different on the beggining, once you get it down – 15 seconds on the tutorial (which you could skip if you didn’t want to read, way to test all the buttons btw) – it is completely logical. Not only logical, it actually drew me a lot into the game at the time, because it kinda challenged me to experiment. Progressing a bit, you find a Protect spell. That should increase your Vitality attribute quite a bit, since the efect of the spell is decrease physical damage. Right? Right! Same for Shell increasing Spirit a lot as well. Haste for speed. How simple is that?
    And as for conplaining about the spells increasing and decreasing your attributes, am I the only one that realised that they did exactly that on Final Fantasy 7? Saying that “on ff7 it is ok, because it’s supposed to be less realistic” is far from a good excuse. No, really. FAR. Why do chunks of cristalized knowledged attached to a sword make you less strong and more inteligent? How does that work? Final fantasy never tried to explain those details. It’s final fantasy, not Star Trek.
    Love how people play the game on the least expected way they can come up with and blame the programmers. Really, anybody tried to just play the game? Level your characters as they go, learn one GF skill at a time, drawing spells as you need them? Seriously! It’s not like you need 100 of every spell. It’s not practical, it’s not supposed to be practical, never intended to be.
    Say, you need like 12 or 15 blizzards AT MOST to kill Ifrit. And maybe… 1 scan? Well, say you can’t scan him once and memorize more or less how much HP he has by subtracting the ammount of damage you’ve been dealing. Get yourself 10 scans. that’s 2, 3 attempts of drawing. Takes what, a minute of preparation? Or don’t prepare at all. Just charge at Ifrit, heads-on. Even though for every rpg player that would be the most boring scenario ever, you can do it. And it’s going to be an easy fight.
    Also love your circular logic when you mention that there are other ways to obtain magic. “This game is horrible because it takes forever to draw magic. I know that there are other ways of drawing magic, but I don’t even care because this game is horrible. Because it takes forever to draw magic.” Really, is that it? Was that the best you could think about? You see, circular logic might be applied to fool somebody, or maybe you use it without realising it, but it must be long. Or maybe intentionally confusing, if you’re trying to fool somebody. But, a logic circle that has 3 “knots”? How easy to spot that is? It doesn’t even sound you’re trying to be convincing. Just made you sound like you’re desperate to prove a point that you’re not even so sure why you came up with.
    But that’s ok, man. Really. I do respect your work. Specially you, you know, dealing with whatever made you not being able to understand a system that a 13 year old kid that barelly spoke the language at the time could easily figure out.
    And no, I didn’t bother watching the rest of your videos. Two parts were more than enough to see that it is rubbish.
    For those that didn’t notice, I wrote this comment totally on a “reviewer tone”. Offensive as they usually are, crude as they usually are. Not sure if comments are usually deleted on this website, but I hope not.
    Anyway, sorry for the massive ammount of sarcasm. Didn’t mean to be more offensive than you were to whoever made the game. The difference here being that, being able to accomplish it or not, at least I actually tried to point out where I think you failed, instead of creating problems in your video that weren’t there and blaming you.
    Good luck on your videos, hope that some criticism improve them.

  • Bruno

    Ya, way to go, spoony, noah, or whatever your fans call you.
    Really, I liked your comments on alone in the dark with NC and all. Decided to give your own videos a try.
    Jesus, FF8 can be considered crap. Really, I see no problem on that. It is pretty different from the rest of the series, plot revolves around some love story, unmemorable characters and all. Really, I do understand people don’t liking it.
    But. Your points make absolutelly no sense!
    Seriously! Why would anyone need 100 scans? Why would you ignore tutorials that show you how to draw magic efficiently? Why would you completely ignore the billions of other ways to get magic?
    An over-complicated system? God. I was 13 years old on it’s release, barelly knew my way around the english language, and I could understand everything. How complicated it is, one asks?
    Er… you have a Cure spell. Pretty deffensive. And you have a Fire spell, which is offensive. You have two attributes, Strenght and HP. Guess which one goes where? How obvious is it? And then, you have Life spell, which does more or less the same as Cure, but more effectivelly (since it actually brings back the dead and all). So you would guess that it increases your HP more than cure, right? Right! And now that you have stocked up some life spells – by refining an item that took you a handful of seconds to buy (wait, did you say that you need GF to shop? Well, for those that didn’t play the game, that’s a simple lie, there are shops everywhere) – you decide to junction more Life spells to your HP. It should increase your HP even more, right? Right!
    Seriously, it is just TOO INTUITIVE. While a -bit-. and i mean JUST A BIT different on the beggining, once you get it down – 15 seconds on the tutorial (which you could skip if you didn’t want to read, way to test all the buttons btw) – it is completely logical. Not only logical, it actually drew me a lot into the game at the time, because it kinda challenged me to experiment. Progressing a bit, you find a Protect spell. That should increase your Vitality attribute quite a bit, since the efect of the spell is decrease physical damage. Right? Right! Same for Shell increasing Spirit a lot as well. Haste for speed. How simple is that?
    And as for conplaining about the spells increasing and decreasing your attributes, am I the only one that realised that they did exactly that on Final Fantasy 7? Saying that “on ff7 it is ok, because it’s supposed to be less realistic” is far from a good excuse. No, really. FAR. Why do chunks of cristalized knowledged attached to a sword make you less strong and more inteligent? How does that work? Final fantasy never tried to explain those details. It’s final fantasy, not Star Trek.
    Love how people play the game on the least expected way they can come up with and blame the programmers. Really, anybody tried to just play the game? Level your characters as they go, learn one GF skill at a time, drawing spells as you need them? Seriously! It’s not like you need 100 of every spell. It’s not practical, it’s not supposed to be practical, never intended to be.
    Say, you need like 12 or 15 blizzards AT MOST to kill Ifrit. And maybe… 1 scan? Well, say you can’t scan him once and memorize more or less how much HP he has by subtracting the ammount of damage you’ve been dealing. Get yourself 10 scans. that’s 2, 3 attempts of drawing. Takes what, a minute of preparation? Or don’t prepare at all. Just charge at Ifrit, heads-on. Even though for every rpg player that would be the most boring scenario ever, you can do it. And it’s going to be an easy fight.
    Also love your circular logic when you mention that there are other ways to obtain magic. “This game is horrible because it takes forever to draw magic. I know that there are other ways of drawing magic, but I don’t even care because this game is horrible. Because it takes forever to draw magic.” Really, is that it? Was that the best you could think about? You see, circular logic might be applied to fool somebody, or maybe you use it without realising it, but it must be long. Or maybe intentionally confusing, if you’re trying to fool somebody. But, a logic circle that has 3 “knots”? How easy to spot that is? It doesn’t even sound you’re trying to be convincing. Just made you sound like you’re desperate to prove a point that you’re not even so sure why you came up with.
    But that’s ok, man. Really. I do respect your work. Specially you, you know, dealing with whatever made you not being able to understand a system that a 13 year old kid that barelly spoke the language at the time could easily figure out.
    And no, I didn’t bother watching the rest of your videos. Two parts were more than enough to see that it is rubbish.
    For those that didn’t notice, I wrote this comment totally on a “reviewer tone”. Offensive as they usually are, crude as they usually are. Not sure if comments are usually deleted on this website, but I hope not.
    Anyway, sorry for the massive ammount of sarcasm. Didn’t mean to be more offensive than you were to whoever made the game. The difference here being that, being able to accomplish it or not, at least I actually tried to point out where I think you failed, instead of creating problems in your video that weren’t there and blaming you.
    Good luck on your videos, hope that some criticism improve them.

  • Dostoevsky

    Bruno, if you had bothered to watch the subsequent videos, you would find that he -does- utilize other tactics later on. This does not make any of the other aspects of the game any better. He might have dedicated a video to the scan system (on request, no less, as he explicitly states at the beginning of the video) but the rest of the game is not made any better my a slightly faster and honestly not at all intuitive manner of gaining magic.

    You may have figured it out, and I grant you that, but I personally had limited patience with the system, could not stand to play the card game that is so crucial to gaining the best magics easily, and never found the battle system itself to be remotely enjoyable even after I gave up scanning the creatures and just played the game. It’s not an enjoyable experience from the battle system to the story, and even if you can break the game and make it so much easier to accumulate magic from the get-go, there’s really no merit to it.

  • Dostoevsky

    Bruno, if you had bothered to watch the subsequent videos, you would find that he -does- utilize other tactics later on. This does not make any of the other aspects of the game any better. He might have dedicated a video to the scan system (on request, no less, as he explicitly states at the beginning of the video) but the rest of the game is not made any better my a slightly faster and honestly not at all intuitive manner of gaining magic.

    You may have figured it out, and I grant you that, but I personally had limited patience with the system, could not stand to play the card game that is so crucial to gaining the best magics easily, and never found the battle system itself to be remotely enjoyable even after I gave up scanning the creatures and just played the game. It’s not an enjoyable experience from the battle system to the story, and even if you can break the game and make it so much easier to accumulate magic from the get-go, there’s really no merit to it.

  • Dostoevsky

    Bruno, if you had bothered to watch the subsequent videos, you would find that he -does- utilize other tactics later on. This does not make any of the other aspects of the game any better. He might have dedicated a video to the scan system (on request, no less, as he explicitly states at the beginning of the video) but the rest of the game is not made any better my a slightly faster and honestly not at all intuitive manner of gaining magic.

    You may have figured it out, and I grant you that, but I personally had limited patience with the system, could not stand to play the card game that is so crucial to gaining the best magics easily, and never found the battle system itself to be remotely enjoyable even after I gave up scanning the creatures and just played the game. It’s not an enjoyable experience from the battle system to the story, and even if you can break the game and make it so much easier to accumulate magic from the get-go, there’s really no merit to it.

  • Maniak

    Spoony, I have a comment about drawing magic that, oddly enough, isn’t a mentioning of a different way to draw magic. Who’d of thunk? Anyways, if you think that drawing magic is bullshit and busy work, I have a few games you should play that will teach you the definition of that fucking term.

    Digimon World Data Squad: I’m a Digimon fan. I’m fine with any insult or jokes you have about that. But, as a Digimon fan, this is a game that I like, but I despise it all the same, if that even makes sense. Digivolution is an aspect of the game that is so much fucking memorization, I need excel spreadsheets open for this bullshit! I get to keep track of fun requirements such as how many steps I’ve taken, how much money I have spent, how much money I currently have, the highest amount of damage I’ve done in one attack, the total damage I have ever given, the total damage I have recieved, how many treasure chests I’ve opened, and that’s only fucking HALF of them.

    Wild ARMs series: FUCK THE PUZZLE BOSSES! FUCK THEM TO HELL! I love those games, BUT FUCKING WHY?!

    Dark Cloud 2: One of my favorite games ever made on the PS2, but there are a couple flaws that are essentially micromanaging bullshit. First one, and this is the worst one, Monster Transformation. IT’S FUCKING BROKEN! I’m serious, they are underpowered, and it takes way too much fucking exp to make them useful. It doesn’t help that to get some medals, you need to use the fuckers. It takes somewhere in the line of about half a BILLION exp to go to level 99, which is max, because of the pattern of levels (100 exp, 100 exp, 200 exp, 400 exp, 800, 1600, 3200, you get the idea). The only thing they are good for is getting gems and “monster drops”, which are good for strengthening up your weapons (give me a sec, I’m bitching about that next), but the monster drops take more points to put in your weapon than they are worth, and are fucking underpowered as much as the monsters. And you need to reach level 76 to get the gems, but the broken level-up system kills ANY momentum you had at about level 30.
    Secondly, leveling up weapons. See, the game works this way with its weapon upgrades: You kill monsters with that weapon, their exp is put into the weapon. After a certain amount is obtained (using the same pattern as the monster level up, but each weapon has its own “base”, or starting exp necessary for the next level), the weapon levels up, and obtains “synthesis points” this allows you to take whatever the fuck item you want, break it down (called “spectrumizing), and then taking that broken down item, and putting it in your weapon to increase its power, or other abilities, like fire, ice, thunder, wind, or other abilities like smash, holy, beast (as in furred animals) destruction, or scale destruction (dragons, fish, snakes, etc.). When you give it a certain amount of each element it requests (it’ll tell you this by flashing red when you choose it in the “build up” section of the weapon menu. The interface is a lot simpler than it sounds, I swear.), you can take that weapon, and upgrade it into a new, stronger weapon, and the cycle continues, with the level counter reseting to the base count for every upgrade. Now, this is an interesting concept with the upgrading up weapons and such, but I cannot count how many times I have consulted a guide just to find out how far I need to raise a certain aspect of my weapon, or which weapons it fucking upgrades to. See, the game only tells you what you need to increase to get a new weapon, it won’t tell you what that new weapon is or how much further you have to go before you can upgrade the weapon. So, I’m sitting on my ass, pausing the game every level up, to see what the fuck I need to get to the next weapon I want, because, if your upgrading swords, one sword can become 3 different ones, each with different necessities to get it to there. And, a lot of times, especially in the later levels, it will ask for a ability that you have not fucking touched, and require a retarded amount for that level (don’t even ask me how you quantify “thunder”. Fuck if I know). I’m talking an amount that will take you 7 levels just to get enough synth points to pull HALF of that fucking thing. I’m talking points in the game where I had a weapon that wanted to start me from 0 in an element, and pull it to 1 HUNDRED FUCKING 50! FUCK! YOU! And granted, you can take that same fucking weapon, make or buy another one of the same, and build that shit up to synth into the one you are leveling up, but that doesn’t change the fact that that is FUCKING BUSY WORK! I shouldn’t have to replay the same level 5 fucking times to get enough experience to level up two of the SAME FUCKING WEAPON!

    Anyway, that was a lot longer than I wanted it to be, and I hope you put that in perspective, and, if you ever get the balls to see the pain that some of these games have brought with fucking busy work, I wish you luck, because at least you CAN engage yourself with something else in FF VIII if you’re drawing magic. With these three, if you aren’t paying attention, you’re fucked.

  • Maniak

    Spoony, I have a comment about drawing magic that, oddly enough, isn’t a mentioning of a different way to draw magic. Who’d of thunk? Anyways, if you think that drawing magic is bullshit and busy work, I have a few games you should play that will teach you the definition of that fucking term.

    Digimon World Data Squad: I’m a Digimon fan. I’m fine with any insult or jokes you have about that. But, as a Digimon fan, this is a game that I like, but I despise it all the same, if that even makes sense. Digivolution is an aspect of the game that is so much fucking memorization, I need excel spreadsheets open for this bullshit! I get to keep track of fun requirements such as how many steps I’ve taken, how much money I have spent, how much money I currently have, the highest amount of damage I’ve done in one attack, the total damage I have ever given, the total damage I have recieved, how many treasure chests I’ve opened, and that’s only fucking HALF of them.

    Wild ARMs series: FUCK THE PUZZLE BOSSES! FUCK THEM TO HELL! I love those games, BUT FUCKING WHY?!

    Dark Cloud 2: One of my favorite games ever made on the PS2, but there are a couple flaws that are essentially micromanaging bullshit. First one, and this is the worst one, Monster Transformation. IT’S FUCKING BROKEN! I’m serious, they are underpowered, and it takes way too much fucking exp to make them useful. It doesn’t help that to get some medals, you need to use the fuckers. It takes somewhere in the line of about half a BILLION exp to go to level 99, which is max, because of the pattern of levels (100 exp, 100 exp, 200 exp, 400 exp, 800, 1600, 3200, you get the idea). The only thing they are good for is getting gems and “monster drops”, which are good for strengthening up your weapons (give me a sec, I’m bitching about that next), but the monster drops take more points to put in your weapon than they are worth, and are fucking underpowered as much as the monsters. And you need to reach level 76 to get the gems, but the broken level-up system kills ANY momentum you had at about level 30.
    Secondly, leveling up weapons. See, the game works this way with its weapon upgrades: You kill monsters with that weapon, their exp is put into the weapon. After a certain amount is obtained (using the same pattern as the monster level up, but each weapon has its own “base”, or starting exp necessary for the next level), the weapon levels up, and obtains “synthesis points” this allows you to take whatever the fuck item you want, break it down (called “spectrumizing), and then taking that broken down item, and putting it in your weapon to increase its power, or other abilities, like fire, ice, thunder, wind, or other abilities like smash, holy, beast (as in furred animals) destruction, or scale destruction (dragons, fish, snakes, etc.). When you give it a certain amount of each element it requests (it’ll tell you this by flashing red when you choose it in the “build up” section of the weapon menu. The interface is a lot simpler than it sounds, I swear.), you can take that weapon, and upgrade it into a new, stronger weapon, and the cycle continues, with the level counter reseting to the base count for every upgrade. Now, this is an interesting concept with the upgrading up weapons and such, but I cannot count how many times I have consulted a guide just to find out how far I need to raise a certain aspect of my weapon, or which weapons it fucking upgrades to. See, the game only tells you what you need to increase to get a new weapon, it won’t tell you what that new weapon is or how much further you have to go before you can upgrade the weapon. So, I’m sitting on my ass, pausing the game every level up, to see what the fuck I need to get to the next weapon I want, because, if your upgrading swords, one sword can become 3 different ones, each with different necessities to get it to there. And, a lot of times, especially in the later levels, it will ask for a ability that you have not fucking touched, and require a retarded amount for that level (don’t even ask me how you quantify “thunder”. Fuck if I know). I’m talking an amount that will take you 7 levels just to get enough synth points to pull HALF of that fucking thing. I’m talking points in the game where I had a weapon that wanted to start me from 0 in an element, and pull it to 1 HUNDRED FUCKING 50! FUCK! YOU! And granted, you can take that same fucking weapon, make or buy another one of the same, and build that shit up to synth into the one you are leveling up, but that doesn’t change the fact that that is FUCKING BUSY WORK! I shouldn’t have to replay the same level 5 fucking times to get enough experience to level up two of the SAME FUCKING WEAPON!

    Anyway, that was a lot longer than I wanted it to be, and I hope you put that in perspective, and, if you ever get the balls to see the pain that some of these games have brought with fucking busy work, I wish you luck, because at least you CAN engage yourself with something else in FF VIII if you’re drawing magic. With these three, if you aren’t paying attention, you’re fucked.

  • Maniak

    Spoony, I have a comment about drawing magic that, oddly enough, isn’t a mentioning of a different way to draw magic. Who’d of thunk? Anyways, if you think that drawing magic is bullshit and busy work, I have a few games you should play that will teach you the definition of that fucking term.

    Digimon World Data Squad: I’m a Digimon fan. I’m fine with any insult or jokes you have about that. But, as a Digimon fan, this is a game that I like, but I despise it all the same, if that even makes sense. Digivolution is an aspect of the game that is so much fucking memorization, I need excel spreadsheets open for this bullshit! I get to keep track of fun requirements such as how many steps I’ve taken, how much money I have spent, how much money I currently have, the highest amount of damage I’ve done in one attack, the total damage I have ever given, the total damage I have recieved, how many treasure chests I’ve opened, and that’s only fucking HALF of them.

    Wild ARMs series: FUCK THE PUZZLE BOSSES! FUCK THEM TO HELL! I love those games, BUT FUCKING WHY?!

    Dark Cloud 2: One of my favorite games ever made on the PS2, but there are a couple flaws that are essentially micromanaging bullshit. First one, and this is the worst one, Monster Transformation. IT’S FUCKING BROKEN! I’m serious, they are underpowered, and it takes way too much fucking exp to make them useful. It doesn’t help that to get some medals, you need to use the fuckers. It takes somewhere in the line of about half a BILLION exp to go to level 99, which is max, because of the pattern of levels (100 exp, 100 exp, 200 exp, 400 exp, 800, 1600, 3200, you get the idea). The only thing they are good for is getting gems and “monster drops”, which are good for strengthening up your weapons (give me a sec, I’m bitching about that next), but the monster drops take more points to put in your weapon than they are worth, and are fucking underpowered as much as the monsters. And you need to reach level 76 to get the gems, but the broken level-up system kills ANY momentum you had at about level 30.
    Secondly, leveling up weapons. See, the game works this way with its weapon upgrades: You kill monsters with that weapon, their exp is put into the weapon. After a certain amount is obtained (using the same pattern as the monster level up, but each weapon has its own “base”, or starting exp necessary for the next level), the weapon levels up, and obtains “synthesis points” this allows you to take whatever the fuck item you want, break it down (called “spectrumizing), and then taking that broken down item, and putting it in your weapon to increase its power, or other abilities, like fire, ice, thunder, wind, or other abilities like smash, holy, beast (as in furred animals) destruction, or scale destruction (dragons, fish, snakes, etc.). When you give it a certain amount of each element it requests (it’ll tell you this by flashing red when you choose it in the “build up” section of the weapon menu. The interface is a lot simpler than it sounds, I swear.), you can take that weapon, and upgrade it into a new, stronger weapon, and the cycle continues, with the level counter reseting to the base count for every upgrade. Now, this is an interesting concept with the upgrading up weapons and such, but I cannot count how many times I have consulted a guide just to find out how far I need to raise a certain aspect of my weapon, or which weapons it fucking upgrades to. See, the game only tells you what you need to increase to get a new weapon, it won’t tell you what that new weapon is or how much further you have to go before you can upgrade the weapon. So, I’m sitting on my ass, pausing the game every level up, to see what the fuck I need to get to the next weapon I want, because, if your upgrading swords, one sword can become 3 different ones, each with different necessities to get it to there. And, a lot of times, especially in the later levels, it will ask for a ability that you have not fucking touched, and require a retarded amount for that level (don’t even ask me how you quantify “thunder”. Fuck if I know). I’m talking an amount that will take you 7 levels just to get enough synth points to pull HALF of that fucking thing. I’m talking points in the game where I had a weapon that wanted to start me from 0 in an element, and pull it to 1 HUNDRED FUCKING 50! FUCK! YOU! And granted, you can take that same fucking weapon, make or buy another one of the same, and build that shit up to synth into the one you are leveling up, but that doesn’t change the fact that that is FUCKING BUSY WORK! I shouldn’t have to replay the same level 5 fucking times to get enough experience to level up two of the SAME FUCKING WEAPON!

    Anyway, that was a lot longer than I wanted it to be, and I hope you put that in perspective, and, if you ever get the balls to see the pain that some of these games have brought with fucking busy work, I wish you luck, because at least you CAN engage yourself with something else in FF VIII if you’re drawing magic. With these three, if you aren’t paying attention, you’re fucked.

  • Toriyama

    i havent played ff8 since like 1998… untill recently…
    via memory, i remembered how painful and time consuming DRAW was, but figured the “TWO HOURS!” that spoony referred to was a slight exageration… but nope, its actually dead on..
    you immedately leave the garden on your way to fight ifrit, so i figured on the way i should gain some levels and spells before i proceed…
    to gain all 4 spells available from random encounters on the worldmap for both squall and questis (sp?), it took me no more, no less, than two hours to stock to 100%.
    I dont know if i’m using the right logic, but i’m not letting ANY spell go. Boss fight or not, if the enemy has a spell available i dont have FULLY STOCKED i’m going to sit there and draw till i do, using the enemy’s CURE spell to stay alive w/o depleating my own… i’m now SIX HOURS into the game and just became a real life seeD… what prolly should be 2 hours into the game. Boss fights sometimes take over a half hour due to draw… i shouldnt haveto spend THAT MUCH time on this shit… but w/e its my first playthrough in ten years (give or take) so hopefully things improve… i’m still chanting FINAL FANTASY SEVEN so far…

  • Toriyama

    i havent played ff8 since like 1998… untill recently…
    via memory, i remembered how painful and time consuming DRAW was, but figured the “TWO HOURS!” that spoony referred to was a slight exageration… but nope, its actually dead on..
    you immedately leave the garden on your way to fight ifrit, so i figured on the way i should gain some levels and spells before i proceed…
    to gain all 4 spells available from random encounters on the worldmap for both squall and questis (sp?), it took me no more, no less, than two hours to stock to 100%.
    I dont know if i’m using the right logic, but i’m not letting ANY spell go. Boss fight or not, if the enemy has a spell available i dont have FULLY STOCKED i’m going to sit there and draw till i do, using the enemy’s CURE spell to stay alive w/o depleating my own… i’m now SIX HOURS into the game and just became a real life seeD… what prolly should be 2 hours into the game. Boss fights sometimes take over a half hour due to draw… i shouldnt haveto spend THAT MUCH time on this shit… but w/e its my first playthrough in ten years (give or take) so hopefully things improve… i’m still chanting FINAL FANTASY SEVEN so far…

  • Toriyama

    i havent played ff8 since like 1998… untill recently…
    via memory, i remembered how painful and time consuming DRAW was, but figured the “TWO HOURS!” that spoony referred to was a slight exageration… but nope, its actually dead on..
    you immedately leave the garden on your way to fight ifrit, so i figured on the way i should gain some levels and spells before i proceed…
    to gain all 4 spells available from random encounters on the worldmap for both squall and questis (sp?), it took me no more, no less, than two hours to stock to 100%.
    I dont know if i’m using the right logic, but i’m not letting ANY spell go. Boss fight or not, if the enemy has a spell available i dont have FULLY STOCKED i’m going to sit there and draw till i do, using the enemy’s CURE spell to stay alive w/o depleating my own… i’m now SIX HOURS into the game and just became a real life seeD… what prolly should be 2 hours into the game. Boss fights sometimes take over a half hour due to draw… i shouldnt haveto spend THAT MUCH time on this shit… but w/e its my first playthrough in ten years (give or take) so hopefully things improve… i’m still chanting FINAL FANTASY SEVEN so far…

  • Nick

    Wow. i remember this game. I also seem to remember kinda liking it….sorta. Wow were you drawing magic the hard way. I remember that I set up a boost controller and left it for a few hours to get my magic (had to move the draw command to the top spot to do so. Then all you need is a small weight to hold down the desired button and you’re good to go….so long as you remember to silence and…err something, your enemy to make them have no attacks.

    Now that I think about it, why did I ever even find the game fun? Wow…well thanks for the awesome video.

  • Nick

    Wow. i remember this game. I also seem to remember kinda liking it….sorta. Wow were you drawing magic the hard way. I remember that I set up a boost controller and left it for a few hours to get my magic (had to move the draw command to the top spot to do so. Then all you need is a small weight to hold down the desired button and you’re good to go….so long as you remember to silence and…err something, your enemy to make them have no attacks.

    Now that I think about it, why did I ever even find the game fun? Wow…well thanks for the awesome video.

  • Nick

    Wow. i remember this game. I also seem to remember kinda liking it….sorta. Wow were you drawing magic the hard way. I remember that I set up a boost controller and left it for a few hours to get my magic (had to move the draw command to the top spot to do so. Then all you need is a small weight to hold down the desired button and you’re good to go….so long as you remember to silence and…err something, your enemy to make them have no attacks.

    Now that I think about it, why did I ever even find the game fun? Wow…well thanks for the awesome video.

  • http://worldsworstmovies.blogspot.com/ Jeff Faklis

    I don’t mind that you hate FF8. I mind that you’re attacking us fans, and calling us stupid. That’s not fair.

  • http://worldsworstmovies.blogspot.com/ Jeff Faklis

    I don’t mind that you hate FF8. I mind that you’re attacking us fans, and calling us stupid. That’s not fair.

  • http://worldsworstmovies.blogspot.com Jeff Faklis

    I don’t mind that you hate FF8. I mind that you’re attacking us fans, and calling us stupid. That’s not fair.

  • Prius

    To everyone who says to set the cursor to memory and just put a weight on the X button:

    I will not do such a thing because when I buy a game, I want to EFFFING PLAY THE GAME! I think the AVGN put it best:

    “Making me put a wrench on my controller for five hours? What kind of game does that?”

    What was wrong with just “finding” spells like in FF VII? Why not just put in a mana bar instead? Come to think of it, this whole drawing problem may have been fixed if you could only draw more than eight freaking ”fires”.

  • Prius

    To everyone who says to set the cursor to memory and just put a weight on the X button:

    I will not do such a thing because when I buy a game, I want to EFFFING PLAY THE GAME! I think the AVGN put it best:

    “Making me put a wrench on my controller for five hours? What kind of game does that?”

    What was wrong with just “finding” spells like in FF VII? Why not just put in a mana bar instead? Come to think of it, this whole drawing problem may have been fixed if you could only draw more than eight freaking ”fires”.

  • Prius

    To everyone who says to set the cursor to memory and just put a weight on the X button:

    I will not do such a thing because when I buy a game, I want to EFFFING PLAY THE GAME! I think the AVGN put it best:

    “Making me put a wrench on my controller for five hours? What kind of game does that?”

    What was wrong with just “finding” spells like in FF VII? Why not just put in a mana bar instead? Come to think of it, this whole drawing problem may have been fixed if you could only draw more than eight freaking ”fires”.

  • zachski

    You don't even need to put the weight on the X button. You just need to press the X button several times. Maybe turn the BATTLE SPEED UP TO FASTEST. OR maybe put Draw on the SECOND SLOT instead of the THIRD SLOT so that he doesn't have to push down twice.

    Or, maybe, A COMBINATION OF ALL OF THE ABOVE.

    What Spoony's doing in this video is like walking the Great Wall of China with a perfectly good leg stuck in a cast while using crutches instead of a wheelchair.

    Caps are not for shouting, but for emphasis.

  • pushtostart

    LOL that review is as jaded and tunnel visioned as christian evangelicals view on homosexuality. Seriously, this whole 9 minute review picks the only aspect of the game that would be difficult to a half retarded, marker-huffing monkey. I bet you also dont like water for its serious lack of mountain dew flavoring. “whine whine whine i have to spend 5 minutes preparing an inventory whine whine whine” so you dont have a problem with how ALL the RPG's require you to grind the same pathetic monsters to to level up to the same level as the next boss? you are no yahtzee… just give up and go drink some water.

  • MargusP

    Sorry to see you suffeering man, but i guess thats the idea of the entertainment, you should start programming games, you have experience on what not to make and the collage education.

  • MargusP

    Sorry to see you suffeering man, but i guess thats the idea of the entertainment, you should start programming games, you have experience on what not to make and the collage education.

  • Ineedballs
  • Ineedballs

    http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/3987/castisr
    It was right there the whole time, Spoony. You can use the spells by pressing this.
    Didnt you noticed?

  • Ineedballs

    Spoony, i think THIS is how you use the spells:
    http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/3987/castisr

  • Poipoi

    Yeah, the draw system got old quicky. Like after the first battle. Then again I wasn't crazy enough to get my full quota of spells from the first fights.

    I have this urge to give you a hug now.

  • HomeExplosion

    I've hated every Final Fantasy game I've played. Can someone please tell me what is the appeal of JRPGs? Is it the incredibly unlikeable characters? Is it the shitty story? Is it the mind numbingly boring and incredibly unsatisfying gameplay? Is it the hundreds of mandatory drop menu bullshit that make your homework seem fucking entertaining? Is it the fact that you just idly watch as the characters go from one awfully written conversation to another and then have a fight in between, and your job is just to press the X-button when the game tells you to? Maybe it's just the fact that every character looks like a woman and has a strange underwear obsession.

  • lastsigma

    I've watched this video quite a few times. I really don't get why people bother giving even more advice on how to better gather magic. The bottom line in terms of Final Fantasy is excellent music and art, with terrible design and simplistic coding as their base. If you look at the various FF games throughout the years you really just see a string of nested tables and a mostly swiped system from tabletop roleplaying that doesn't even bother to learn from the mistakes of the system they penned from.

    The “epic” stories are pretty much hit or miss, most of the characters are forgettable or obnoxious as shit, and the frequent adjustments Square makes to their static formula have only helped to solidify their position as one of the laziest companies in terms of innovative gameplay. The spell system from FF is directly penned from D&D, FF2's experience system per stat is universally derided as terrible, and FF8 has enough holes to prove that they never learn to listen to their critics.

    I had a point but it has temporarily escaped my mind.

  • faithwynters

    I've played that game loads of times an I've never got all the magic spells or sat for ages tring to get 100 of any spell, and i've completed the game with ease several times. So i don't really understand why someone would do that when its really not needed to get through the game.

  • http://twitter.com/NukeMouse Alexander Close

    I've always found that JRPGs are unique in one feature, i actually enjoy grinding in them. For some demented reason i ENJOY levelling my spells in Disgaea or drawing magic in final fantasy 8, i ENJOY endlessly complex and insane stats.

    Perhaps its just that some people don't have the right mindset to play final fantasy 8, but its my favorite final fantasy.

    Also my first playthrough of final fantasy 8 was when i was a kid, so screw drawing i went through the entire game with almost no magic. After i first summoned ifrit it took me 30 battles to work out how i did it again. It may actually have been the first RPG i ever played…

    Edit: I hate grinding in MMO's though. Good god i hate it so.

  • http://celluloidandsilicon.blogspot.com/ Avenging_Mike

    The point isn't to cast them, you fool! The point is to junction them to your stats, so you don't get murdered. You will almost never cast a spell in FF VIII.

  • http://twitter.com/LadyRenae Ileia Brashear

    The Great Wall? Seriously? You're comparing FFVIII to the Great fucking Wall?

    I'll commend you on one point in your horrifically drafted metaphor, though: the entire fucking draw system is having that perfectly good leg stuck in a cast. This was one of the five parts of the game I hated with a passion, and I really liked this game. Hell, I even liked the fucking trading card mini-game, but that's because I was really good at it. Drawing, however.. hell the magic system in general. Yes, you could get really awesome stats if over the course of grinding for levels and components (which if you knew where to go wasn't all that bad) you got enough spells to link only the best to everything. However, considering all that goes OUT THE FUCKING WINDOW unless you grind EVERY FUCKING SPELL in the ENTIRE FUCKING GAME, EVER, exactly like Spoony bitches about, and it does this the MOMENT the final boss battle starts. That fucker steals your spells, and you and your entire team turn into worthless wet kittens, pretty much wasting every effort you made in the whole game.

    Because of this, and because I don't have the massive amounts of masochistic patience to grind my ass off with spell collecting (even though I do enjoy the tactics and micromanagement of the leveling process otherwise, but that's mostly because I have control issues), I have never finished this game. I have started it several times. I've even gotten through a few disks more than once because it gets pretty fun once you get past the fucking intro, which I think is about half of the first disk before the plot finally makes itself known and starts feeling like a story with some direction instead of perpetual “Look at me! I'm ESTABLISHING THINGS!”, but I've never EVER finished it.

    Thankfully, there is Spoony, and he will go through that godawful pain so I don't have to.

    Thank you, Spoony.

  • zachski

    tl;dr, because you completely misunderstood my analogy, and therefore, you automatically failed.

    Spoony's intentionally handicapping himself and blaming it on the game. It's his fault, not FF8's, that Drawing is taking so long. Go watch HCBailly's Let's Play of this game, he goes through the game far quicker than Spoony did, and FF8 is his LEAST favorite Final Fantasy. You want to know why HCBailly goes through the game faster? BECAUSE HE ACTUALLY KNOWS HOW TO PLAY IT, UNLIKE SPOONY.

    Can you see that? Or are you too much of a fanboy?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Chris-Cartwright/640140197 Chris Cartwright

    Yeah it can tedious but it does get a lot easier and the amount of drawing you have to do from mobs drops considerably when you progress in the game. This is due to triple triad, yes that slightly irritating but oddly addictive mini game. With triple triad and after learning card mob you tend to mod cards into magic spells and linked with the other refine abilities you mod items into magic. I guess this game is very 'guide book' based because most of the time the extra perks in this game aren't even mentioned. But yes having to get 100 of each 'NEEDED' spell can become a bore but it only takes about 7-10 minutes max to get 300 (100 for each) of that spell… providing you have auto haste which you can get early in the game.

    I love your reviews hence my being here but the transcendent pain is easily avoidable.

  • http://twitter.com/LadyRenae Ileia Brashear

    For one, I'm a girl, thankyouverymuch.

    For two, I've PLAYED FF8. Drawing takes forever and a fucking age even if you do set the navigation to remember where you were, set battle speed to fastest, and remove the animations as much as you can. Even if these things actually did make the process take a reasonable amount of time, it wouldn't be the fault of the player if they didn't have it set up exactly right. It would be, and is, the fault of the game design for requiring that the settings be just so in the first place.

    Not only that, but if you actually do go around collecting everything like a good little grinder, you end up with a core group of characters leveled so far above the people you pick up later in the game that it becomes virtually unplayable somewhere around disc 3 if you're lucky (disc 2 if you're not). Avoiding that is a matter of knowing ahead of time exactly where everything you need is going to be, which is not something you walk into the game knowing unless you put down the money for the in-depth guide. Nobody should have to buy the guide just to survive a game, period.

    It is ALWAYS the fault of the game if a feature is so convoluted/involved/drawn-out/etc that a simple Read The Fucking Manual doesn't fix the issue, especially if Read The Fucking Walkthrough is the primary cure. One should not have to think like an engineer or purchase extra content to be able to make a game flow smoothly and engender a friendly and reasonably paced gaming atmosphere. In-depth feature customization and grinding perks should be bonus features that give the player a little something extra for taking the EXCESS time to do them, not basic requirements to complete the game at all.

    By the way, you're bitching about Spoony not taking the time to become intimately familiar with the detailed workings of a video game, yet you decide that you get to “tl;dr” my post because the first thing you saw didn't match up to your standards. You're a hilarious little hypocrite, you are.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Gabriel-Silvestre/100000827295985 Gabriel Silvestre

    hey final fantasy 7 wuz kool but u can't screw it up just in one next game. COME ON! :P i had seven for the PS1

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Gabriel-Silvestre/100000827295985 Gabriel Silvestre

    hey final fantasy 7 wuz kool but u can’t screw it up just in one next game. COME ON! :P i had seven for the PS1

  • Anonymous

    There is really no need to draw more than a couple of spells once in a while, in the fights that you have to do anyway.

    You could theoretically level up to level 100 on balamb if you would spend enough time and you wouldnt do that.
    So why bother with getting 100 of each spell? The game is not difficult for a very long time and the first spells become obsolete very soon. You can easily get through most of the game without ever grinding / farming at all.
    Also, if u really want to draw a lot, dont do it while you have only 1 character as it is a lot faster with a full group.

    Also, if you wanted to level up the most efficient, for example because you want to defeat omega weapon later, you should try to not level up at all before getting all the +stat abilitys of the later GFs which have your characters get additional statpoints on levelups.

    This complete review, while admittedly very funny and entertaining, is full of cheap lies and deceit and completely wrongs final fantasy 8.
    The game has a lot of flaws but having to draw a lot is not one of them because you don’t have to.

    • http://twitter.com/JordS68 Jordan Stone

      this game is shit don’t defend it

      • Anonymous

        That’s your opinion.I think the game is mediocre.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Tariel-Corbeau/1388782046 Tariel Corbeau

          No, this game is shit. No matter what you say it is still shit. Ever heard of the plot? Ever heard of what happens after you get a ten foot icicle in your chest? It is not possible to survive that.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000677655417 Jacob Blais

            okay first of all he can like the game and you dont have to, that’s your opinion. secondly, your not saying anything you thought of just what spoony said, so your argument isn’t original, and thirdly its spoonys opinion you shouldn’t try to argue

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Tariel-Corbeau/1388782046 Tariel Corbeau

            Arguing is what people do.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Tariel-Corbeau/1388782046 Tariel Corbeau

            Arguing is what people do.

    • http://twitter.com/JordS68 Jordan Stone

      this game is shit don’t defend it

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Tariel-Corbeau/1388782046 Tariel Corbeau

      Think about this, when this game FIRST came out what did YOU do? Did you wait for those things to happen? Or did you not play this game when it first came out? Likely NOT.

      Take it from someone that had this as soon as it came out. You did NOT know what your GF’s could do UNTIL YOU BEAT THE GAME. So don’t go spouting that ‘you should wait to do things’ because that is a LIE. For the people that actually played this game BEFORE you and before people came out with the walk through and guides, drawing magic was EXACTLY what Spoony says it is. You did not know that your GF’s could learn how to make magic from items until you GOT the ability. But first you had to GRIND the experience necessary to GET the ability.

      So don’t spout ‘why would you do that?’ because quite frankly the game MAKES you do it. Any gamer will quickly realize that yes it is pointless, but for the gamers that NEVER played this game before or played it when it came out, they did NOT know it was pointless to gain 100 of each spell right out.

      Drawing magic is faster when you have 3 people, but STILL you realize that what you are saying is from the view point of someone that played this game for a long while. First time gamers are going to draw WHEN THEY CAN, yes they can figure out that it would be faster as a group. But it is still not a lie. Drawing magic is TEDIOUS no matter what you say and you HAVE TO DRAW MAGIC. That is no lie. YOU HAVE TO DRAW MAGIC, no matter what. Because items cost money, you can turn items into magic, but who is going to GRIND level and money for the same amount of HOURS it would take to just DRAW it? So do YOU lie.

      YOU HAVE TO DRAW MAGIC. That is NOT a lie. YOU are lieing when you say you don’t have to draw magic because YOU DO. If you want to get the stat boots NECESSARY for a better character you HAVE TO. Because you do no start out with the GF ability to turn items into magic, in order to get the stat boosts you HAVE TO draw the magic until you get the ability but even then you STILL have to draw. So don’t you lie. Because you again HAVE to draw magic.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=515476575 Glen Graves

    Actually I’ve always played the FF’s so that my characters can crush everything including the secret bosses and in some cases you did have to do this in FF8 to get your characters with the best stat boosts. The basic complaint is that it’s fucking pointless and annoying, and who can honestly argue that.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=515476575 Glen Graves

    Actually I’ve always played the FF’s so that my characters can crush everything including the secret bosses and in some cases you did have to do this in FF8 to get your characters with the best stat boosts. The basic complaint is that it’s fucking pointless and annoying, and who can honestly argue that.

  • http://twitter.com/Kyria658 Angela

    I agree with the draw thing it did suck but I would like to say 2 things. 1)if you put the draw ability at the bottom of your list and push the up button you can do other things. Maybe not wank off but I was also playing pokemon while drawing. 2) I was able to beat this came without the magic being at 100%. I used alot of GF’s. this was the first game I ever beat when I was little so I though it was cool. I tried playing it again recently and couldnt remember why I liked it.

  • http://www.facebook.com/keinushi Keinushi Snyder

    you can change the menu settings so that its in memory mode, instead of revert, Which I always do for every ff game, it means you CAN just mash a button and go off to do something else, I usually watch star trek or something.

  • http://twitter.com/AdmiralBalls Diedrick H. Balls

    I really like this rant, good job ^^

    Also I didn’t need to prove my worthiness, I already did my time!

  • http://twitter.com/AdmiralBalls Diedrick H. Balls

    I really like this rant, good job ^^

    Also I didn’t need to prove my worthiness, I already did my time!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Tyreke-Boyd/100000248238281 Tyreke Boyd

    Drawing…Sucks. I say screw it. Your Summons, No. Sorry. Your GF’s eventually give you the ability to turn items that you STOCKPILE into magic. And eventually magic into other magic. So…Yeah…Dumb concept has been defeated by a dumber concept. :D

    EDIT: is it more fun than grinding a BILLION battles to max out your materia -.-

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Tariel-Corbeau/1388782046 Tariel Corbeau

      Yeah at least you get like ONE materia and can have INFINITE amounts of time you can CAST that spell. With drawing magic you have a limited amount.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Tariel-Corbeau/1388782046 Tariel Corbeau

      Yeah at least you get like ONE materia and can have INFINITE amounts of time you can CAST that spell. With drawing magic you have a limited amount.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Tyreke-Boyd/100000248238281 Tyreke Boyd

    Drawing…Sucks. I say screw it. Your Summons, No. Sorry. Your GF’s eventually give you the ability to turn items that you STOCKPILE into magic. And eventually magic into other magic. So…Yeah…Dumb concept has been defeated by a dumber concept. :D

    EDIT: is it more fun than grinding a BILLION battles to max out your materia -.-

  • http://www.facebook.com/Twuee Hanna Van Buren

    What is worse as well is that you have to stock pile for every single character, and we have like what six?
    My feelings towards this game is mixed, but I wasn’t interested enough to finish it o_o
    Gave up in the finale LOL.

    But watching your reactions did entertain me. And I found it very interesting that you were strangling yourself, and playing without the remote being plugged XD while the game was making the command noises. I found it hilarious when I saw that goof XD!!

    Now to watch the #3.

    And I wonder, do you even read the comments?

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ben-Smooker/100001851743299 Ben Smooker

      Really you only have to stockpile for 3 characters. You can swap magic, junctions and GFs between characters in one go. For those who like role based characters (the tank, the mage, the healer, the range attacket etc) this has the purpose of making all your characters exactly the same. Sure you could specialise, but it’s really not worth it.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1112764270 Lydia Keller Beam

    I’ve never been a fan of these turn-based combat systems.At least in games like Pokemon you had dozens of choices for characters and attacks.But it just seemed so uninvolved, as the characters just stood there waiting for the other to make a move.It didn’t feel like I was really doing anything.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bill-Collignon/100000084787504 Bill Collignon

    You could always turn up the battle speed to maximum when you want to draw, just to minimize the tedium. :)

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ben-Smooker/100001851743299 Ben Smooker

      Problem is you can’t junction anything to SPD until waaaaay later in the game, so even at max battle speed, it’s still incredibly slow. I’d go so far as to say he probably is at max in this video.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IJSWMHTW5BIYNWDACS7I36GCAY Cameron

    geh

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IJSWMHTW5BIYNWDACS7I36GCAY Cameron

    the sad part about this is squall and rinoa are the only ppl who are good at drawing magic because ZELL AND SELPHIE HAVE TO COSTANTLY FAIL TO DRAW IT AND WHEN THEY DO ITS LESS THEN 3 WHEN SQUALL IS FINALLY DONE DRAWING THE PROTECT SPELL FROM THE GIANT FUCKING ROBOT SLEPHIE AND ZELL ONLY HAVE LESS THEN 20 and what i dont get is i spend all this time drawing fire spells blizzard etc but i dont even cast it ive played this game and gotten like 5 hours of gameplay in and the only times ive enjoyed playing are when ive used squalls limit break and zells limit break i hate all the characters selphie is a fucking freak zell is over excited quistis is horny as all hell rionoa is a fucking idoit and i havent gotten irvine yet so idk but the only character i like squall as a character in the whole damn game AND WHY DOES ZONE KEEP HAVING TACO SHITS

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ben-Smooker/100001851743299 Ben Smooker

      I know your comment is 4 months old but…you realise the number of spells you draw at one time is linked to your Magic stat, right? It’s not on a character by character basis.
      So if you have something junctioned to Magic, you can draw up to 9 magic per draw, and it’s not hard to get magic up high enough to do that.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IJSWMHTW5BIYNWDACS7I36GCAY Cameron

    the sad part about this is squall and rinoa are the only ppl who are good at drawing magic because ZELL AND SELPHIE HAVE TO COSTANTLY FAIL TO DRAW IT AND WHEN THEY DO ITS LESS THEN 3 WHEN SQUALL IS FINALLY DONE DRAWING THE PROTECT SPELL FROM THE GIANT FUCKING ROBOT SLEPHIE AND ZELL ONLY HAVE LESS THEN 20 and what i dont get is i spend all this time drawing fire spells blizzard etc but i dont even cast it ive played this game and gotten like 5 hours of gameplay in and the only times ive enjoyed playing are when ive used squalls limit break and zells limit break i hate all the characters selphie is a fucking freak zell is over excited quistis is horny as all hell rionoa is a fucking idoit and i havent gotten irvine yet so idk but the only character i like squall as a character in the whole damn game AND WHY DOES ZONE KEEP HAVING TACO SHITS

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1639132142 Christopher Hao

    Some comments:

    Ah, Spoony (or Mr. Antwiler), your frustration never ceases to amuse me. Teeheeheeheehee. But I think I speak for everyone when I say that. Isn’t that most of the reason why we watch these videos? Because the anger and caustic insults you make amuse us endlessly?

    Heehee, watching other people’s blood pressures go up is Hi-Larious.

    “I had to sit here Alone in the Dark…” – TITLE DROP

    Me, I would draw a few times before getting depressingly bored and would end the fight, to finish drawing later…sometime or the other.

    However, I offer my sincere condolences, because I know at some points I hated the game so so bad. And drawing trucking sucked Peking duck, I agree.

    I haven’t played the latest games. Are they just as bad or worse?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1639132142 Christopher Hao

    Some comments:

    Ah, Spoony (or Mr. Antwiler), your frustration never ceases to amuse me. Teeheeheeheehee. But I think I speak for everyone when I say that. Isn’t that most of the reason why we watch these videos? Because the anger and caustic insults you make amuse us endlessly?

    Heehee, watching other people’s blood pressures go up is Hi-Larious.

    “I had to sit here Alone in the Dark…” – TITLE DROP

    Me, I would draw a few times before getting depressingly bored and would end the fight, to finish drawing later…sometime or the other.

    However, I offer my sincere condolences, because I know at some points I hated the game so so bad. And drawing trucking sucked Peking duck, I agree.

    I haven’t played the latest games. Are they just as bad or worse?

  • http://twitter.com/Belpheron Belpheron

    If you insist on using draw system then congratulations , there is skill called refine that GFs have and you use them to create spells out of items.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Lysander-Darkholme-Price/100002252740861 Lysander Darkholme Price

    I’d probably huff something too if i had to play this game :P so i can’t blame ya lol

  • Rob Sandroni

    Oh, Spoony. I will never tire of being amused by your anger. I’ve never played the game, but, despite everything I’ve heard about this game being great, you’re one review makes me want to never play this game

  • Rob Sandroni

    Oh, Spoony. I will never tire of being amused by your anger. I’ve never played the game, but, despite everything I’ve heard about this game being great, you’re one review makes me want to never play this game

  • http://www.facebook.com/StephanieMularz Stephanie Mularz

    Wow, your reviews are so much different now, your cameras are way more hi tech and it looks more professional now~
    But this was always good to watch too, you’re always funny,

    I couldn’t have played this on the system, dear fucking god, no.
    I played it on an emulator and just sped it up when you had to wait, so junctioning magic to me wasn’t that bad, but on the console. Oh so help me god, I would have really hurt someone.

    I remember playing this game and I remember junctioning magic for HOURS and leveling up my shit so slowly that it felt like I died in time (ha ha, Sorcerer joke …Fuck this game..)

     I didn’t even play the card game. I looked at it, lost and said screw that
    While I had to sit there and watch the person on the walkthrough who did everything who was only like level 30 by the end of the game hit way harder and better than my level 99.

    This game was bullshit, because we all know that lvl 30 > lvl 99!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Efrain-Ibarra/100000965334120 Efrain Ibarra

    This is why I think the gameshark was invented, so you could always be stocked and could focus on actually fucking fighting, and take out the most annoying part. X:

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_GB5I5RPIUJ75BYMYSPQAR7YEXE CathickleSquall

    Fuck you! This game is awesome!

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_MTFZ3MDRIRICR5ZFNUEEKECX7E Steve

      No, it really isn’t.

  • Tori Ryokiba Fust

    Are you gender biased, Guy? I mean seriously… not every gamer is a “fanboy.”

    • http://twitter.com/_amagno Anthony Magno

      Yes they are. Regardless of gender, all fans of anything can be referred to as fanboys.

  • http://twitter.com/FuzzyWulfe Bryan Woods

    I had the PC version, and I swear I remember setting the cursor in the options so that it stayed on the last menu entry selected.  So, all I had to do was spam the X button when drawing.  I also spent hours leveling up so that I overpowered each area as I moved, and Squall was level 99 by the middle of the second disc.

  • Anonymous

    This is my exboyfriend’s favorite Final Fantasy game. I don’t remember this but then again I couldn’t sit there all the time while he was playing it. To this day I still don’t understand the game. I’m not even sure I want to know. I remember he would play for hours and he could sit and play the card game forever!! I mean yay he has a game he’s passionate about but shit. I’d be bored out of my mind after the first hour.

  • Anonymous

    it is better to play the card game and just ignore the random encounters all together.. but ya I would actually prefer a game where fighting is encouraged, fun and benificial..

  • Anonymous

    Spoony, what is your problem?  What you’re doing is called grinding.  It’s in every RPG, but it’s not necessary to do it.  You don’t have to draw 100 spells from every kind in just one battle, man.  What you’re doing here would be the equivalent of running around in circles on the map in FFVII for an hour, taking every random battle and complaining “This is what you have to do to level up! This game sucks!”

    No, you don’t have to do any of those things.  Just play the game normally, drawing once in a while in random battles and you’ll be perfectly fine.  Of course, if what you want to do is max out every stat before bothering to play the game, then by all means grind as much as you want, but don’t complain as if it were a game mechanics issue if you’re the one who forces yourself to do it.

    And if you can’t be bothered to learn the other (really easy) ways to get magic, then you have no right to complain.

    No hard feelings, I still think you’re awesome, but you’re very wrong here.

    • Mutante

      He’s not wrong dude.

      Yes, it’s not necessary to do it, and it’s in every RPG. But what he is complaining about, and I agree with him, is that in every RPG, if you want new spells, you can simply fight enemies, earn enough XP, AP, whatever and learn them. Learning spells becomes a natural process of playing through the game. You can even progress through the game and learn spells at the same time.

      But in this game you can’t do that. You have to draw magic. You can’t even attack or use itens while you are drawing magic… And hey! In FF8 they made this grinding necessary because everything in this game is about junctioning magic and if you don’t do it you will be under leveled.

      And yes, there are other ways of geting spells in the game, however they are still less convinient than simply learning them by killing enemies. No wonder they’ve changed back and never used the draw/junction magic system again for any other FF games. Somethings don’t have to be so complicated.

      • Anonymous

        No, you see, you can’t attack while drawing, yes (unless, of course, you draw to cast instead of storing), but to compensate for this, enemy speed is considerably lowered.  It’s obvious, compare to other games in the series.  You saw that drawing video.  You can draw like seventy times and get attacked maybe three or four times.

        The point is, again, I’ve played this game in its entirety a few times and I’ve never had to stop to draw more than once or twice in a battle (unless it’s a very rare spell).  It doesn’t hurt your stats if you’re not maxed out.  All that does is making the game not ridiculously easy.  If you stop the regular gameplay to max out everything the game becomes too easy.

        • Serita Amelia Colette Damia

             But sir you must understand that this was an experimental process of obtaining spells in the game.. I know they were experimenting, but experimenting is more likely with testers I really doubt this went through a testing phase. I have to give it to Spoony in saying what the hell is up with this pathetic attempt at a video games battle system. From seven to eight they changed it completely. With seven they had you frequently use the materia to gain the experience on it, or I believe having it equipped helped. Anyway Even if you draw magic once in a while the fact it that this games battles (NORMAL ONES) take way longer than they should! I don’t want to sit there getting my ass handed to me using my healing potions and spells I previously had drawn to keep me alive so I can draw more magic.

             Aside from the fact that the battle system is flawed, the concept of drawing magic from enemies is ludicrous. How in the hell? What? Was everyone in Garden trained to draw? how do you draw magic? What classes do you take to accomplish this incredibly complex task? And hold on if your a sorceress like Edea do you have like infinite magic, so you don’t have to draw? Or is she the origin of magic? and How does a monster that doesn’t use magic contain a spell to draw? This makes me wonder if your drawing magic could you draw life? Wouldn’t you hurt the thing if your essentially stealing from it, and if that’s true then while drawing magic, this monster would be hurting or stunned or … SOMETHING! Seriously it makes no sense. Do you see Final Fantasy X’s battle system, it was a marvel compared this to shit. I’m sorry but I can’t see how drawing magic even if its to just go naturally with the game be a good way to buff up your attributes. I see honestly what they were attempting to accomplish, but they should have WORKED a little HARDER on this and tested it out.

        • tim edgren

          here’s my argument, this system for magic was NEVER USED AGAIN….if it was so good..why wasn’t it repeated? You have my respect if you can give a proper answer to that question.

          • Anonymous

            For the same reason the experience system for Final Fantasy 2 was never used again.  Not because it was bad, but because people prefer simpler ones.  And if you take a moment to compare, all FF magic systems are different in a way or another, so not one of them was ever used again.

            Also, I’ve never said this system was “so good”, I just said it wasn’t as bad as he makes it up  to be.

        • steve19141918

          Dude, you don’t have to grind okay. But you have to keep one thing in mind. Spoony is playing and reviewing the game as if he were newcomer. Now just because you don’t grind doesn’t mean it’s not another version of busy work unless you get a strategy guide. Hell, there’s impressive playthroughs of people not leveling up at all, However, going through the game then becomes a massive fiasco of trial and error, combing sections, you have to talk to everybody, get just about every item in every town. Say you missed something, you’ve got to reload your save, and start from there. Now none of this would be an issue if you used a strategy guide, but that’s kind of like cheating, so the way I and him see it, still boring busy work, and time to play a different game. And even the easier ways sucked, including the card game. Sure you get magic for killing monsters, but that event in the game isn’t that exciting at the times, and really random. Drawing for a good chunk of spells in this game, I found to be the most reliable fool proof way, and it sucked. You replace one suck, with another suck, guess what? It still fucking sucks.

    • steve19141918

      Dude, you don’t have to grind okay. But you have to keep one thing in mind. Spoony is playing and reviewing the game as if he were newcomer. Now just because you don’t grind doesn’t mean it’s not another version of busy work unless you get a strategy guide. Hell, there’s impressive playthroughs of people not leveling up at all, However, going through the game then becomes a massive fiasco of trial and error, combing sections, you have to talk to everybody, get just about every item in every town. Say you missed something, you’ve got to reload your save, and start from there.  Now none of this would be an issue if you used a strategy guide, but that’s kind of like cheating, so the way I and him see it, still boring busy work, and time to play a different game. And even the easier ways sucked, including the card game. Sure you get magic for killing monsters, but that event in the game isn’t that exciting at the times, and really random. Drawing for a good chunk of spells in this game, I found to be the most reliable fool proof way, and it sucked. You replace one suck, with another suck, guess what? It still fucking sucks.

      • drdvdplayerhandbook

        OK, first of all, when I played the game for the first time, I didn’t do any of those things.  No newcomer looks to complete a game 100% the first time they play.  You don’t have to draw like this, you don’t have to get every item in every town, you don’t have to talk to everyone, you don’t have to use a strategy guide.  You play the game for fun.  If you do all of those things and you’re not having fun then stop doing them!.  If you do them because you want a challenge then don’t complain.

        You can easily play this game drawing only once in a while in random battles and getting magic from the beacons all over the world.  There’s no need to draw that way.  At all.  The game won’t be hard because you don’t do it because it’s not a hard game.

        And, another, more important thing: YOU DON’T REPLY TO A COMMENT MADE 4 MONTHS AGO!

        • Steven Jemiolo

          Follow up, on your quotes:

          “You don’t have to talk to everyone in town”
          “You don’t have to get every item etc.”

          I wasn’t saying that in the sense of a newcomer, but referring to more experienced play throughs. Reread what I said carefully, which I’ll sum up into 4 main points for argument:

          “Yeah you don’t have to grind and just do a regular play through” (Newcomer)
          “You could beat the game and not level up at all even for a speed run” (Experienced)
          “You could do the game 100%”
          (Expert)
          “But to do any of those things, without cheating (using strategy guides) felt like boring long ass busy work to us (Me and Spoony), even just doing what I refer to, a regular newcomer play through”

          Could there have been better ways of us doing it? Probably. But if the game was designed better to the point it didn’t piss us off so much, we’d look for them. Besides that, we honestly think the god awful drawing system should have never existed in the first place, and sitting through JUST A MINUTE feels like forever. He wasn’t right in saying that you have to do this for every spell in the game (or as you brought up not necessarily even have to collect every spell), that part I admitted numerous times, but the amount we did felt like a repetitive abstract, meaningless, HELL to which I think he described perfectly.

          So to further to address this quote of yours:

          “You only have to draw every once in a while”

          Maybe you like repetitive games and have a lot more patience than us. Fine, nothing wrong with that.

          Another one of your quotes:

          “If you’re not having fun do something else”

          1. I assume you mean quit playing the game? Well Spoony wants to review certain crappy games with depth and credibility, what better way to qualify your opinion on something other than to play through it? Otherwise you’re just another douche-bag that says it sucks for no real basis, or just a tool that repeats what others have said about the game, or just talking out of your ass. While spoony isn’t 100% correct, I applaud anyone playing through things they don’t like to broaden and qualify their perspectives, other than encouraging them to stop because it’s often the best way to get through to people, and more importantly, game developers so they don’t make mistakes, and hopefully their games won’t suck…. Also it can be really entertaining.

          2. Or you could you mean do something else within the game? Ride through the crappy plot? Play cards? Uggh, boring busy work.

          Your quote

          “Don’t respond to a comment made so many months ago”

          Why not? I don’t care how old it is, if something needs to be challenged it needs to be challenged. Period. Hell, even if you don’t respond, I’ve had people that will take my opponent’s stance and continue the debate :P.

          • drdvdplayerhandbook

            The reason you don’t respond to such and old comment is plain and simple: it’s rude. It’s the same reason forums will give you warnings for reviving old threads. It’s the same reason you just don’t go continue a discussion with a person you haven’t talked to in half a year.

            I refuse to continue this discussion, even though I disagree with many of your points, because I’ve simply moved on. I don’t want to talk about this anymore because I’ve talked about it many times, mostly with people I actually know and care about.

            I will say one thing, though. Repetitiveness is the bread and butter of JRPGs, specially the SNES/PSX ones, so you can’t accuse this game of being more repetitive than the others, specially when you’re forcing the repetitiveness doing over and over something that is absolutely not required to enjoy the game at any level. In fact, only those who like repetitiveness would play the way Spoony does. So he’s the one at fault here for the shortcomings he claims are part of the game.

  • http://twitter.com/Arlnee Arlene C. Harris

    that’s why when I play this, I only let myself draw once for each spell per encounter. I’ll get that 100 eventually without knocking myself into a coma. After all, that’s what the card game’s for. ;-)

  • Anonymous

    “What you’re doing is called grinding.  It’s in every RPG”

    really? Last time i checked its only a major part of mmorpgs and shitty japanese rpgs.. I can for sure not remember grinding mindlessly in Baldurs for exemple. In GOOD games killing bad guys is supposed to bring the story forward not just killing for killings sake. The japanese game designers must really have gotten someting wrong when they just accept as fact that people enjoy running around killing fucking bats and rats for hours and hours..

    Well some people obviusly do because they sell but when when was the last time a japanese rpg actually contained rpg elements? like moral choises that change the outcome of tha game? When i thing about it I can only name one that did this in a good, even exellent, way , Chrono trigger. But that was released in the early 90s.

    Way to push the boundries square! I fucking hate final fantasy….! :)

    • vincentlaflamme

      Grinding’s only a only a major part of japanese RPGs?! Have you ever played Oblivion? Personally I had no problem with FF8′s system. You know why? Because it was one of the very few FF in which the point was NOT to grind. For most of the game it’s pointless! Enemies level up way faster than your characters ever could. You need to fight as little as possible until you get the right guardian forces.

      • http://twitter.com/TarielCorbeau Tariel Corbeau

        I’ve played plenty of Elder Scrolls 3 which is pretty much the same as Oblivion. And believe me when I say…I didn’t need to level up that much. All I needed to do is find some temple place steal ordinator armor which is the BEST armor in the game. Plus then just buff up my restoration spell, and my magic, or get a shit ton of healing scrolls then knock down the door to an evil god and kill him…in about… thirteen hits. Yeah. At least with THIS game you can set up one of those bird things and leave for a hour to buff some skill up. Cause in morrowind it is NOT about your level, it is about gaining LEVELS IN EVERYTHING, including HAGGLING. Cause there is NO other way of gaining an actual level. Not that you need to be on a high level to beat the boss. You just need the strongest weapons in the game which you can get as long as you… look up cheats. Cause I got about two pages full of ‘add item’ so I can just do whatever the hell I want in the game.

        • ramses ijff

          For oblivion, they removed the story context of the dungeons, made all loot level-scaled (so you had to constantly acquire new replacements to keep up with the leveled mobs) and a lot more of related stuff, so the dungeon-crawling became more like grinding.

    • harggggg

      You are a retard who never played any japanese RPG, ever, so shut the fuck up.

  • nobody nobody

    if you think that is annoying try getting the pc version run bugless and i mean completely bugless on an os like windows xp it took me about a 2 months including test runs and i mean just playing the game until you run in a bug try to fix it and run it from the start again just to make sure it doesn’t fuck up another part and i wont even start about the reverse engineering i needed to do to make good bug fixes and when you are done and fixed every goddamn bug your harddisk fails and i mean non recoverable failing

    and that is second reason i hated this game because my first one is the same as yours it ruined final fantasy and it just continued at ff10 every one ff game from then on

    so if you think boringly hitting a few buttons for 2 hours think again 

    from nakugaka (i post my nickname here since for some reason i cant change my first and last name in gmail -_- )

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/5EPFWZTJAMPCTXBEEDBEWMBIRY Joshua

    It occurs to me I have that same controller.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/ANWPCZIIZOSLK5RIHTE3BHPCRA Remy

    Maybe they turn into coins for storage

  • http://profiles.google.com/xens.pineapple Xen Xander

    did you notice that he said “The review is officially over for final fantasy 2″ and not “final fantasy 8″. he TOTALLY mis-spoke.  Watch it from the 1:00 mark upto the 1:04 mark.

    • Óðinn D. Löve

      I’m unsure whether what he tried to say was ‘…you’ll have to understand this before we go any further for Final Fantasy too ..’ or ‘… Final Fantasy 2 …’ because both are possible given the context.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/INZT46TRLMORHTCZQYK2T4UBQI Allison

    Thank god for you spoony, because every time I played this game I wanted to throw my controller at the freaking screen, mostly because of the draw stuff. and I just love you for sitting through all of this for us!

  • Drew Terronez

    100 Scans? LOL

  • Jessica U. Ingmann

    Ya know… ya could’ve set your cursor ta “Memory” ta scale back on needless button pushing.  9.9;  A BIT TOO LATE NOW I GUESS!  I mean it’s still a boring, tedious process, but it could be far worse.  Um… it could be this!  :D

  • castchaos

    I liked the long summon animations in FFVIII and as soon as I got the “always full summon animation” in FFIX, I instally taught Garnet and Eiko about it.
    This Draw mechanism is great, too! Just a few minutes for each maxed spell, and it gives some feeling of magic superiority, especially that you “drain” the helpless monsters… there’s no any “draw failed” event, is there? This is a cool way of grinding.
    And where is it stored? Inside the characters! Maybe in their soul, and their souls can’t handle more than 100 from each spell… they are getting loaded with magic! Cool, isn’t it? They are hardware to story “scan” and “fire” softwares!

    • http://twitter.com/Arella18 Rebecca Wright

      The user with Ifrit fails 60% of the draw attempts and at the start if you want to draw with your three party members you end up having to wait for hours while one party member tries to max out their magic. On average it takes 4-5 hours of playtime to max out spells at the start of the game. ((My dad would actually read a book while drawing magic))

      Equipping magic to abilities skills and weapons turns into a micromanaging nightmare because you can only hold eight pages of four magic and there’s at least 3x that in the game.  So you have to sort through and figure out which spells are needed over others and which ones do more for which skill because certain spells will work better on certain abilities…then there’s status effect spells on the weapons…and status effect aids.

      The cardgame is a dull boring nightmare with an arbitrary rules system that ends up leaving you losing card after card unless you save after every card game.

    • Lieutenant Shwa

       You call that a few minutes? More like a FEW HOURS

  • Segatron

    This is why half the gaming base was not playing Power Stone?  this!?

    ….

    I will see to it that, one day, “emo git” is an enemy type as universally recognized and scrubby cannon fodder as goblins and wolves.

  • Segatron

    This is why half the US gaming base was not playing Power Stone Dreamcast??? 

    This!?

    ….

    I will see to it that, one day, “emo git” is an enemy type as universally recognized and scrubby cannon fodder as goblins and wolves.

  • Aitch748

    The game music is trying so hard to make this tedious process sound epic and heroic and that just makes this part of the review even funnier. :-)

  • http://www.facebook.com/Nineteen.Eighty.Nothing Tim Branton

    Spam drawing magic and summoning GF are useless functions if you actually know what you’re doing. I’m playing through again and I’ve I’ve only spammed draw on one spell, Flare and I never used GFs again after about hour 3 (except for Doomtrain, who is a badass). The ability to easily manufacture mid to high level spells from items from cards, battles and the most useful ability in the game Mug and then junction them to your stats early on make attacking and casting far more useful. Fire and scan are useless spells as well, why would you ever want not just one but 100 of them, even at the very beginning. As big a fan of Spoony and the logic and wherewithal that he’s shown in other reviews I’m still not convinced that this wasn’t a pure trolling attempt.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Gage-Saltkill/100001103210113 Gage Saltkill

    There are so many things you could have done to make this easier. Ever gone to the config menu?  There’s even a simple way to make the gunblade trigger auto too if you’re too lazy to just tap R1 when squall hits. Honestly there are so many things that people cry about that could be easier if they just looked around more. And you do know that shops are in towns right? If you ever need to actually buy anything just walk around, they’re so easy to find. Tonberry only makes it to where you can access them all from the menu. The only times you need to draw magic anyway is when you’re having trouble with a boss, which unless you’re completely new to RPGs, is rare (only happened to me when I was just being stupid). Using GFs for damage got to being useless as well, it was faster just to smack them around with my weapons. The only GF that’s really useful is Doomtrain for his Meltdown side-effect, as soon as I got him I was dealing 9999 with every normal attack I hit.

    This one was my favorite FFs, I liked the junction system, and drawing from monsters wasn’t even that tedious for me (probably because whenever I was stuck getting low numbers, I realized the game was saying I wasn’t strong enough for them yet, and lvled up and got 9′s later). If you ask me all the people who cry about it just didn’t know how to play it right, and instead of adapting and looking for a simpler way to do things, threw a fit and quit playing.

    • Pentti Uusivirta

       What the fuck are you doing in this site? You do realize that you didn’t understand a five year old joke?

  • http://www.facebook.com/maurice.peyton1 Maurice Peyton

    I have to laugh about people going on about the other methods of getting magic outside of drawing it from monsters. Doing that other crap isn’t exactly a picnic either!!!

  • rule6281

    I’m starting to feel that this review is becoming a bit misguided.  I’ve played through FFVIII and I NEVER spent extended periods of time drawing magic to get 100 of each spell.  I drew magic as needed, and I may have spent 5-6 turns drawing a particularly useful spell from a particular monster on a few occasions, but the game does NOT force you to spend ours grinding this process in order to succeed.  The game is loaded with hundreds of items that can be converted into large quantities of spells (it’s been a while, but can’t you turn “Tents” and “Cottages” into massive amounts of Cura or Curaga?), which basically means that you can buy these spells instead of having to draw them.  Furthermore, the GF-junctioning system isn’t all that bad either, and it definitely doesn’t limit your success.  I kept the same GF’s junctioned to the same characters throughout the game, and it was fine.  I got through the game.  It was challenging because I didn’t grind and optimize like Spoony did, but I like to think that challenging battles make for a good game.  Anybody else agree with what I’m saying here?  I mean I know that negativity sells in these game reviews, but he just stated that Drawing is the entire focus of his hatred for this game.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000511270547 Nic Payne

       Ugh, he rips on the plot-holes of the story too. Also the annoying characters. I shouldn’t have to use my needed items such as tents and cottages just top get magic. There should be an inn to restore mp; not have quantities of limited magic spells. This was the only game that made me ban using magic to keep my junctioned stats up. Not only that but the game soon becomes broken as early as the second disc when you can magic spells to raise your defense and power to unreasonably high measures to make an easy play-through. Don’t give me the excuse too of “just don’t junction high level spells to your stats” because as long as it’s available to me, it’s counted as a flaw.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001252571411 Ben Beckley

        you can be super strong before you leave the first island. it’s possible to have squall’s second best gunblade before the seed exam in dollet. also you can get 100 tornado spells to junction to your strength so you can one hit almost anything you come across. all that from the card game. sure its boring and repetitive, but you can just watch tv while you play or draw. and i agree that you almost never use magic because you don’t want your stats to be terrible. oh and money is no problem in this game, so buying 100 tents and turning them into magic, really isn’t a huge problem.

  • http://twitter.com/Jesseraygarza Jesse Garza

    Hmmm…. I never worried about drawing magic and I beat the game just fine. I only drew magic when I needed it. But technically you have summons right from the start of the game, so you dont ever really need to use magic. You can just play all the way through by using and leveling up your summons…

  • http://twitter.com/Jesseraygarza Jesse Garza

    Also you spent hours on collecting magic when you could of just leveled up your summons a little bit and gaining the skill that turns useless items you dont use into massive amounts of magic. You could of maxed out your maximum number of magic in no time by just clicking on a few buttons. BUT, at the same time I know where you are coming from. You didnt know any of this and you where just trying to be well prepared to beat the game in one play through while also being as thorough as possible. Completely understandable… But ultimately unnecessary.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1144609804 Jan Scheibler

    making myself soup while watching you drawing magic….

  • Mangraa

    You really shouldn’t snort from the pen directly, Spoony.  Put it in a small bag or other container with the top off and let the fumes accumulate.  Less risk of marking your nose up that way.  Glad to help.

  • Jordan Head

    And all I have to say to you is you’re doing it wrong

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Vaughan-MacDonald/100000473507885 Vaughan MacDonald

    Its scary how many people are still bitching about how there’s a better way to collect magic spells.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001252571411 Ben Beckley

    drawing magic, while it is boring, stupid, and repetitive, is the way to play the game. in fact staying as low a level as possible is also the way to play. in this game when you level up, so do the monsters and bosses. when you level up, your stats barely rise, but the stats of bosses can go through the roof. ever notice how bosses don’t give any exp, like ever. the required don’t give you exp so you don’t level as much. drawing good magic and playing the card game is the easiest way to play the game. that does mean you might need a walkthrough if you want to do the bare minimum but still be strong, so you don’t waste your time on something stupid like drawing 100 sleeps.

  • http://twitter.com/TheZaius DrZaius

    Final Fantasy VIII is not a game a caveman can pick up and get into immediately. There are plenty of ways to do things incorrectly in the game. You have to be smart with everything you do. That’s why there’s an extensive tutorial. It’s a very deep game. Drawing magic is annoying at first but with RPGs, it’s either that or just regular ol’ level-grinding. This game takes out level grinding and money grinding and replaces it with magic grinding (wait, not sure if that’s worded right). Fortunately, as stated before, you can earn magic other ways. So you can actually get stronger pretty quickly in this game. I hated the money system more because it requires a high ranking which can be difficult/tedious to achieve.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Josh-Tiger/17300919 Josh Tiger

    You totally could have watched porn while drawing magic! There’s an option in the menu to set your cursor to “memory” so it stays on the last spell you used. I could never draw 33 times a fight without reading a book or doing SOMETHING else. And yes, that equals terrible game design.

  • http://www.facebook.com/obscure.johnston Obscure Johnston

    I admit I don’t think this was the best in the series, and drawing in the game really did suck, as more than half of your major complaints so far have been inaccurate and its just put me off watching your review. Things like ‘you cant even shop without using your gfs’ having to manipulate the commands when cursor memory is in the options, having to see the full summon animation every time… also in the options. Add implying that you needed to grind for spells at the beginning, When what you gather through the process of exploration was more than adequate to progress in the early stages, and later on so foolishness easy to acquire when it is actually needed, that is, if you spend a little more time in your menus. Sure its not a particularly exiting set of menus. But this is final fantasy, you would not play it If you could not handle menus.
    Overall while you have had a couple valid nitpicks this is coming off already as more of an irrational spite video than a critical review. Sorry spoony, I’m just not following you on this one.

  • Necrovarium

    There’s a reason I don’t leave comments on these videos. It’s nothing but asking for an argument unless I blindly follow the reviewer’s opinion. Don’t get me wrong, though; this isn’t just a Spoony’s fan-base comment to which I am referring; it’s nearly every reviewer or video creator on the internet. It’s ridiculous. I like Spoony, and I don’t like Final Fantasy VIII, but I don’t agree with everything he says about it, and many of you cannot say the same, sadly. My hat is off to any commenter who avoids just attacking others, though. You deserve more than you get from other users.

  • http://www.facebook.com/nickdoscher Nicholas Doscher

    I haven’t read through all 138 comments, so I don’t know if anyone brought this up–but you can change the cursor to “memory” in the settings and it will remember it was on draw, and what spell, and if you cast or stock. I did this, placed a heavy object on the x button, then went and did other things to pass the time.

  • http://www.facebook.com/david.henshaw.547 David Henshaw

    You can shop without a GF ability. The tonberry one allows you to access the shop from the menu if that is what you mean

  • http://www.facebook.com/david.henshaw.547 David Henshaw

    I agree the draw system is boring as hell ^^; but in terms of juncationing I think there is a option to have it junction the best magic to your stats for you but even then it still sucks

  • http://www.facebook.com/andrew.j.parker.31 Andrew Jacob Parker

    you know it is alot easier to cheat and use the card game to get all the magic.

  • http://www.facebook.com/nicktheofficeninja Nicholas Collins

    Dude literally I would just use my GFs through the whole game. You don’t need to do shit if you just keep on using the GFs.

    • mattwo

      He already said exactly why that’s almost as bad.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Garrett-Ricksecker/100001617903955 Garrett Ricksecker

    I remember the original rpgs where you either purchased your spell, or you… just learned it at a certain level. But hey, if something is working, then it’s not fun right?! :D……. Morons.

  • http://www.facebook.com/matthew.volz.96 Matthew Volz

    A magic must be drawn. EXPERIENCE BIJ!!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/Kahlzun Samuel Birchenough

    I know this is really old, and probably been said before, but you can set it to automatically go to the last option you selected (such as draw). Most of my playtime was spent holding down a button and letting the game do its thing while i read Wheel of Time or something.

  • http://twitter.com/jesternario jesternario

    Who thought this up? I’d have to say the same idiot that thought up the idea for materia

  • SiliconNooB

    Painful…

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  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Keichi-Morisato/100000966444006 Keichi Morisato

    watching this made me want to play FFIX

  • Martin Falco Brezniansky

    memorized cursor + turbo controller + fast forward feature = drawing is not that bad :-D

  • Lamar Namou

    1 again, you don’t NEED to draw magic. You can modify Wizard stones in order to convert them to fire, ice, lightning, gravity, etc… magic. In other words? You wasted your time.

    • Dragon Nexus

      Says the person offering advice to a 5 year old video.

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  • Mark Reddman

    Cursor memory option. It’s been there since FF6. Highly useful because it sets the cursor where it was the last round so you don’t have to move the cursor each time, and you can just mash the button and do something else.

    This game is horrendous though. After coming from the glory that was 7, this is really where I think the series started to turn to crap.

  • Mark Reddman

    It does encourage you to get spells to junction to abilities though.

  • robomagon

    Ahahahahahaha
    I can’t believe fanboys are still trying to defend this abomination of a game.

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