Get your pitchforks, Halo-heads. I smell flames coming.
Im with you on this one,Its so obviously a money grabbing tactic and whats worst……….it works
Awesome, I didn’t think it was going to be so great any way. :P
You say tomato, I say tomarto
You say Bungie, I say One trick pony
Cant wait to see the Halo 12 year old flood of hate thats about to erupt. And totaly agree 1 of those 3 hours it takes to complete is a fucking fetch quests hah enjoy your glorified overpriced piece of DLC.
Where is the melody from? This is the 3rd time today i hear this melody, yet i have no idea where it’s from 0o
I understand what you mean spoony, But i dont necessarily think it would be the same game as the old halos.
It should have just been downloadable content. Seriously…
The flames are not coming(at least I don’t think), because is essentially true. The real problem is not the fact is a mission pack, but the price, the lack of content, and the numbers of hours it took to finish the game(five in my case). Personally I can’t really complain, I rent the game, so the real killer, the price, was not a real problem in my case. ODST just like Halo3 is to much focused on the multiplayer aspect, is not a bad thing, but for me is uninteresting, and so, the game feel like a real joke, the lack of content is deceiving.
I wouldn’t call myself a “Halo-Head” (even though I own the whole series) I think this game is pretty good and fully worth the $60. The campaign lasts about 6-8 hours on the first play (which is normal for most current FPS games) and the whole Free Roaming hub was a nice change of pace. And the Fire Fight mode is very very fun to play with a full party of 4 people. And it is great if you do not own all the maps for the Halo 3 multiplayer as you get all 20+ maps on the one disc that you can play off of.
All in all if you like to play games with friends online this is a great game to own until Modern Warfare 2 hits
If you ment the MP then definitely so… Just like every COD is the same thing over again.
But from what I have gathered the Single Player Campaign is a step away from Halo traditional gameplay. They claimed less armour, more freedom and a squad to back you up.
Why everyone say it’s 60$? In Poland it’s 46$ (I won my copy in a tournament :P yay for halo 3 skill)
lol, I was just on youtube when I saw my subscriptions had been updated by none other than THESPOONYONE! it was this video and it was only 1 second long, of course when I clicked it the video was removed by user, gee, I wonder where else I can possibly watch it….. XD
Because is the North American price, and for god sake is really expensive.
Hooray for rentals!!!
That’ll piss some people off!
Song’s from Mega Man 3, I believe…assuming you’re referring to the song in the middle.
It’s Snake Man’s theme, I believe. Almost didn’t recognize it at first.
Hey Spoony…you’re aware that it’s the multiplayer aspect that most Halo fans jack off to, right? I work at a video store and I can’t even BEGIN to tell you how many sad saps have never even TOUCHED the single player campaign in any Halo game. So you’re argument, while valid, is rather moot when you consider that. Most people aren’t going to care about the single player, unfortunately. I just think it’s nice they’re trying something a little different.
And what’s up lately, dude? You seem like you’re just in a bad mood. A little overly snarky, don’t you think? I know that’s your thing but do you need a hug or something?
It’s 60$ halo reach beta with odst mini-game..haha I’m funny….NOT!
This is pretty much why I tend to wait a few months before I buy a Halo game. ODST isn’t even worth $20 dollars, it’s a game you rent once and then never play again. Even though I do still like Halo.
I’m wracking my brain to remember what game that remix is from… Pretty sure it’s Mega Man…
i agree 100%
also, i want the mp3 of the song in the middle :P
This is indeed Snake Man’s stage from Mega Man 3. I had not heard this remix before, though.
I think it’s a Mega Man theme…
Rent, beat it over a weekend and return it
Actually I just now remembered something, one of the guys at Bungie (or Microsoft, I forget) said ODST was initially just going to be DLC for Halo 3, but then they decided they had enough content to market it as a full game and charge $60 dollars for it. What an asshat! 5-10 hours worth of content, yeah right!
Pat > You know there people who don’t like playing online, my case, and that make the game worthless. Is not like Left4dead, where the game was advertised as only as multiplayer experience, ODST was sell as multiplayer and a solo experience, and thus the lack of content on this aspect is really deceiving.
That right there was perfect, thank you kind sir for your services to the internet, I salute you.
Well said sir, seriously couldnt have put it better, i mean id rather read the first halo book than play any of the games fs thats how bad the games are.
Here’s what I don’t get:
It’s bundled with the Halo 3 multiplayer, right? Why not just have the single player of Halo 3 in there too? That would have made the whole package more convincing.
It’s a shame, because I thought the core single player game was, on average, better than Halo 2 or 3. Too bad it didn’t last.
For the price of ODST, you could buy ALL the DLC for Fallout 3.
They’ve said it themselves. “Thirty seconds of fun.”
I’ll pick it up when it’s hit rock bottom, or close to it.
I love that snakeman stage remix. Its a great clip to use when doing mundane things but its so catchy!
This really needs to get on Youtube, so the Halo fan rage can be obtained more easily.
Best ‘In 5 seconds’ ever lol
Dude, I’d love to know where you got the Snakeman remix from. I love that stuff!
Well that was funny.
I wonder if ODST is like the re-edition of Clay Fighter on the Super NES. I actually paid for both! >=(
VectorM September 23, 2009 at 5:48 am
Where is the melody from? This is the 3rd time today i hear this melody, yet i have no idea where it’s from 0o
the score is the snakeman theme from megaman 3
on the video itself: LOLZ :D
Fellow Spooners (is that what we call each other, or is there another word)…
The link for the Snakeman remix…
And now you owe me your souls, or first-born children, or something…
Holy moly, I didn’t have a clue! Good that I only payed about 20 usd for it then. :)
I don’t see what to flame about. As I heard the campaign is 5 to 7 hours, the multiplayer is the same and the only new mode is the “horde mode”. For me a game that doesn’t have a 20 hour singleplayer, because they make it more inventive than multiplayer maps, is not a buy. I don’t have friends that play games so my only experience would be offline and that’s what games like Bioshock, Resident Evil 4, Riddick and Cryostasis made them so awesome, oh and Arkham Asylum. Multiplayer for my is dead because the true imagination shows in the way a game can tell you a story and move you in different ways. A great game would be a game that would implement great gameplay and a story of the magnitude of Fearless or Gladiator. A great game that I recommend to anyone that still thinks multiplayer makes the game complete they should check out CRYOSTASIS. That game was so awesome on so many POV. It had horror, it had realistic gameplay, it had a great story and great setting, it has the most friggin awesome effects and may I say it’s a psychological and survival horror done right. Check out that game it’s much better than some steroid pumped soldiers. Oh and CRYOSTASIS had you the ability to save dead humans so they could open you paths in the icebreaker.
I can’t believe that 8 of the 24 people in my Computer Technology class yesterday skipped school to go get ODST. 3 of them said it wasn’t worth it. 4 said the single player is the only thing worth buying, and that it was indeed overpriced.1 bashed everyone and said it was the greatest game to be released on the Xbox 360, and then “corrected” himself and said it was the best game ever released. We jumped him after school.
That’s what you get for liking Gaylo 3: ODST. Should have been 10 dollar DLC. Not 60 dollar game. Also, the DLC should have come with all the extra maps for Halo 3, and the firefight mode. Problem solved, not as bad a purchase.
If anything, you people should be hating Microsoft for jacking the price up. Bungie wanted to release it cheap. It’s not a bad game, it’s just waaaaaaaaaaay overpriced for what they’re giving out.
It really depends on the situation really.
First timer, get ODST, already played Halo 3, don’t get it.
well is it suprising. Im guissing ODST is just like l4D2. Just to make more money.
*snickers* Yep, that’s about right.
Yeah, from what I’ve played so far, that’s about right. But the Firefly cast reunion makes it kinda worth it.
Snake Man’s theme from Mega Man 3!
(Man, I hate Halo)
Uhhhhh im guessing majority of the people in here are fanboys so lets break it down. 5-10 Hour Campaign weak
Graphics really nice, gameplay diffrent change from regular halo series. Comes with Recon, new maps, reach beta, new multiplayer. over a million in sales its first day. why so butthurt. There just games get over it
The whole Halo series sucks ass.
Not quite right, Spoony – it’s a mission pack with one feature removed. I love the fact that frail human drop troopers can’t dual-wield small arms like a Spartan, but are perfectly able to rip massive plasma cannons and missile turrets from their moorings and lug them around.
Play on Legendary. It takes around 8 to 9 hours depending on how good you are. Noah be a man and SKIP NORMAL!!!!!!!
Lol…its so ture…And nice use of Snakeman’s music
Great video! : D
As for Halo: liked the first one, hated the second one. Played a bit of Halo 3, and found it to be better than two, but nothing compared to Halo.
Just an average shooter series in my opinion.
Same here Halo 3 was a let down for me, Halo 2′s ending killed the game for me. So this is the best sense Halo 1, and finally ACTUAL story. And hell yes to the Firefly cast of Nathan Fillion, Adam Baldwin, and Alan Tudyk.
I loved this game. Yeah you could mistake it for halo 1 but then again its halo 1 all over again. It took me a while to beat it on normal. About 6 hours or so. But it felt really great to be back to the old you need strategy to fight not just run into the fray.
BTW Dual wielding in my opinion was always a dumb addition. Picking up turrets was cool but kinda broke the game play.
The Jew nose was a nice touch!
Mmm… The Bungie marketing department looks an awful lot to your bedroom.
I haven’t played it yet -waiting for a friend to buy it, I’m not going to pay £40 for a 3 hour expansion to a game I didn’t think was too great in the first place- though since announcement I’ve assumed it was just going to be Halo reskinned.
I liked the first Halo game, the second I didn’t, and the third was “meh”.
Well I thought it was worth the 60 bucks, moreso than other FPSes I’ve played lately. I liked the campaign, the level design worked for me, and the free-roaming in between the action chapters as the other ODSTs featured great atmosphere and music. I didn’t think the campaign was all that short, and I think it’s a blast thanks to the co-op as always. Firefight is a blast too. Overall, I liked it more than some other shit I’ve played lately, but to each their own. I figure the thing the Halo franchise is best is creating a bunch of douchebags on both sides of the argument, judging from some of the comments I’ve seen from both supporters and haters of it.
Being 40 I have felt video games have been “samey” for years now. Welcome to full adulthood Spoon. It’s actually amusing making fun of what the larvae find amusing and sacred these days. Yeah my generation had tall hair and skinny ties, but we didn’t spend $60 on a game that is the clone of 3 other incarnations of the exact same thing. You whipper-snappers. Now back to Ripper so I can have more cow bell!
Well, download a free copy
Well if it’s Halo Combat Evolved with ODSTs, then that makes it a major improvement over Halos 2 & 3. Plus I’m finally happy that the Hunters become the walking nightmares they’re meant to be.
Ehh I like it and it’s fun so far. 3 hours is an unfunny hyperbole though. Unless you played on easy. Still firefight is fun and the open world parts are really good in my opinion. Still I like what you did.
So the game isn’t really 3 hours long, only on easy? Does normal and hard add missions and levels or does dying a lot simply artificially enhance the length of the game?
I dig the Snakeman Jazz remix.
It’s funny ’cause it’s true. Bought and returned in less than 24 hours, hooray full refund!
Sucks for halo fans. No wait, a slap in the face for halo fans
Yeah, Spoony, you’ll get flamed for this one.
Won’t be the first time, won’t be the last.
And that was frakking hilarious. Yes, I’m using a term from a show you hate.
I’ve got to know what that music is! DURING THE PRINTING PROCESS! It’s SO groovy. I can’t get it out of my head.
WHAT IS IT, I MUST KNOW.
I think the Halo series is vastly overrated for two reasons. 1. Didn’t do anything revolutionary for the FPS genre and 2. Really didn’t have a interesting story, after the first game. I played all of 1 (on PC), most of 2 and part of 3 mostly because I don’t own an Xbox or 360 so I had to play it at a friend’s place. The Multiplayer is really good but other than that, Halo is pretty mediocre. Finally people are realizing that. I’ve also never thought the Xbox or any of the next gen consoles were really amazing. I like the concept of the Wii but people don’t want to jump and swing around like idiots, PS3 = PS2 with a Blu ray player and better graphics, and 360 the Pinto of the next gen.
halo sux soul calibur sux elder scrolls sux metal gear sux street fighter sux guitar hero sux gran turismo sux super mario sux gears of war sux all games are meh mediocre meh mediocre meh mediocre OH GOD PLEASE TELL ME MY OPINIONS ARE ORIGINAL AND COOL I AM STARVED FOR ATTENTION
boy, sure glad nobody bought any of these “mediocre” games…i bet the company that made them made like NO money or anything…..thank god 3 other games wont be made as a result of its mass popularity, and nearly universal appeal……we sure dodged that bullet……….(cough)
Um, when did I say Metal Gear sucked? I fucking love Metal Gear why? Because it doesn’t try to ride the coat tails of it’s predecessors , yet it keeps with the story line and has a high interest level. All the Mario games updated every game, yet changes the way you play the game but keeps simplicity. What the fuck did Halo update…you can use a sword…wow congrats you added a melee weapon, like everyone else you get a gold star. Fuck off and learn some fucking grammar.
I’ve played 1 and 2, but not the third one (except for a little bit multiplayer). They all look the same and plays the same, but I don’t really see the problem. I liked 1 and 2 so I guess that the 3′s story is ok too.
Halo’s are nothing deep, just fun FPS game and I think that they’re ABOVE your average fps games. Still nothing spectacular
Anyone who pad $60 for this garbage and actuall liked it, is either an idiot or a fanboy!
Its not an opinion, it’s a cold hard fact!
Halo fanboys can go fuck themselves!
#74 chrismcgowan wrote:
The butthurt is strong in this one.
Did he rent it?
I think they are a little overrated probably, though fun.
I really don’t know about ODST though.
I’m so glad I didn’t have to work that midnight release…
This pretty much sums it up. The moment I heard it was going to be just an expansion and got ‘promoted’ to new game status, I just had a feeling it would be a rip off. Oh well, to each his own.
LOL so true. But you goy off esay,here in canada it was $79 with tax. What a joke.
To repeat what many have said, Halo’s main component is the multi-player, although adding horde would make this game worthwhile if it weren’t for the $60 price tag. Oy, that much? Now that’s what I call exploiting your company’s name.
Oh, and while we’re talking about gaming lows…..you folks may find this interesting.
I didn’t truly snap at the kid until the end when he starts talking about real guitars.
I honestly don’t get the large hate for Halo. yes yes it is vastly over hyped, and doesn’t deserve the scores it gets, when some sights gave halo 3 a 10 i honestly wondered what drugs Microsoft had bought for them. but the gameplay is good, and multiplayer is solid if you like that sort of thing.
I Liked odst but will admit the price of Admission was to high, and their should have been an offer like “get your points back for maps you’ve already bought”.
20 bucks for any Halo game is way to expansive. I played all Halos, and they sucked big time.
And this is why I try to avoid expansion packs and the HALO franchise in its entirety. Why can’t they just make it all cheap, downloadable content?
HAHAHA!yes!it needed to be said!
For all those arguing about the price, wait til modern warfare 2 comes out its £60 about $140 and I guarantee it will have the same length of ODST about 4-6 hours. As for the game itself at least its better than Halo 3 which was primarily a multiplayer game rather than a single player game due to the amount of thought and effort in the campaign, oh you guys who paid $60 you should find a pre-order website and order it before hand like I did it save 30% off rrp and got it for £30 about $40.
So, pick it up for $20 in six months? Gotcha.
Oh, FYI, I’ve always thought Halo was a good. Not Great, not terrible. So everybody hates me!
Fine by me, I hate Halo anyway.
And the sad truth is that it worked…
Like the Snakeman elevator music, although it’s kinda sad I knew what it was almost instantly.
It is only 40 dollars and it is more than three missions. Still funny though
I never liked the Halo series & yet, this pretty much summed up the entire series
In my opinion, Halo is perhaps the blandest & most generic FPS series of all time
& yet, far more entertaining FPS like the excellent Timesplitters series & the “So Bad its Good” bloodbath of Soldier of Fortune get shafted
why would anyone pay full price for a mission pack? that’s so sad, halo fans have horrible taste in games
Meh. Halo ODST? No thanks. I’d rather take a baseball bat up the ass. I’ve always found the entire experience (from single to mutliplayer) to be shockingly mediocre, and at times, mind-numbingly awful.
Only way I’d ever play this, is if it was ten bucks, somewhere. Even then, I still think it’d be a rental that sat on the kitchen counter for an entire week.
Microsoft throws in the extra goodies, such as the Halo 3 map packs, Halo Reach beta, and various others, just to attract Halo fans to this game in order to rack up sales. That’s how Crackdown sold so well was because of the Halo 3 beta packaged in with the game. Hyperbole has always been Microsoft’s business strategy regardless if their product is good or not. And to be honest, personally, there is an over saturation of the Halo franchise which is getting down right sickening already. It’s a sad revelation that without Halo the Xbox 360 would be nothing. With the exception of Gears of War, of course. But when push comes to shove Microsoft would just treat Gears like Halo is being treated now. Hype and false hope.
“why would anyone pay full price for a mission pack? that’s so sad, halo fans have horrible taste in games”
In their defense, they could have been lured in by the promotional offer of playing as the black guy from Predator if they preordered the game. Still, I wouldn’t pay $60 for a mission pack and the right to play as Carl Weathers. Maybe for $20. Hell, I might even go with $30.
It’s all in the hips. It’s all in the hips.
I for one, feel this is a great game even if it’s a short campaign.
-Also, Halo was really more about the mulitplayer than anything.
But its Nathan Fillion, Alan Tudyk, and Adam Baldwin! Might not necessarily warrant $60, but that might be the deciding factor for me.
Its supposed to be an expansion pack with all the MP maps thrown in.
Did Spoony played the game on Normal or Heroic? Also did Spoony have the chance to play firefight yet?
Oh lawd, Spoony, Watch out for the idiot prepubescent boys trying to be smartasses, Their probably going to say that the harder difficulty somehow makes the package impossibly longer and-
BTW, isnt this the exact same case with every Halo Sequel anyways?
although I will admit, ODST didnt seem to add loads more BLOOOOOOOOM and lens flare like the actual sequels did.
Its ok spoony. We diehard halo fans hate h3 already and even more this patetic sequel. Halo is all about multiplayer and ODST fails pretty hard. Midship remake is the only thing that makes this bullshit enjoyable.
Your Awesome Spoony! Great Video!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! =]
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Continuing my post, the only thing that I strongly diverge from you is that you are comparing ODST to Halo:CE, the Holly Grail of gaming. In no ways ODST will have any value compared to the thrill of a 3 shot kill in CE.
Well in my opinion that is good because the 1st one and its story were the best in the series once online multiplayer came single player got pushed back and they got a little bit worse they’re still awesome though
Halo:CE? Gamings holy grail? Maybe Holy Grail of SHIT.
lol, the Snake Man theme from Mega Man 3 does sound a lot like Aerosmith.
lool ! i tought the same thing spoony … 60$ expansion pack :)
someone mentioned time splitters…lol….what a joke.
For all of you fanboys saying “playing on Legendary makes the game much longer.” :
A $60 title these days should take many more hours to complete on ANY difficulty. A handful of missions wouldn’t be acceptable with any other game, the only reason it is acceptable to you fanboys is because it’s Halo. This really should have been DLC priced at $20, because the only people who are gonna buy this as a full priced game are Halo fanboys. Yet blind fanboys will be blind fanboys and they’ll buy this $60 expansion pack because “it’s Halo!”
HAHAHA EPIC xD
Even if its a 60$ expansion pack
I still think its fun and a good small change of pace.
Plus I still get to play halo 3 online multi-play
even though I kinda suck at it
kinda like how your hoping against hope that another psychonauts game will be made? heh, wadda dope.
by the way was that lounge music off any specific title/album or was it just public domain kind of a thing?
it had a good bass line goin’….
I wouldn’t go so far as to call Halo:CE shit. Its certainly no holy grail, but it DID get a lot more people buying 360s than would have otherwise. Not your typical gamers, more the Madden type, but ohwell.
haha. I totally saw that coming. Great video, Noah.
Nice end song choice!
this is one game i have no desire to get at all, and I love halo
Game design is where the money is. I’m not sure whether its games costing too much to develop or general risk aversion that causes companies to trudge down the sequel road, but if they can consistently make a profit then they could care less.
I love the halo series but to the people bitching about him saying it only takes 3 hours: either a) hes good at the games and can beat it on the hardler difficulties in 3 hours, or b) you people who are taking 9-10 hours just suck a LOT and shouldnt be playing on legendary in the first place. also when is this site gonna start posting things that wont offend a fanbase of something? if i wanted to watch a flame war i wouldve dropped my IQ and went on over to about any forum on the net.
I also never understood the massive hate towards Halo anyway. I have no evidince for this but my one conclusion is that its just the result of a bunch of bitchy PC gamers having massive hategasms at the thought of a FPS on a console thats good and refuse to accept the fact that you could look around without the use of a mousepad.
on a third totally unrelated note, fuck downloadable content in the ass. if i wanted to bother with getting my system online ide be a PC gamer and if i wanted to bother to pay 10 dollars for something that shouldve came on the disk when it shipped then ide be retarded.
also at the comments talking about the “12 year old flaming hate” does anyone really think a 12 year old could find this site? what 12 year old searches the internet for old bad sci fi movie reviews or FMV videogames?!
I think it’s worth $25 and maybe even $30.
But I’m with you Spoony, $60 is just painful.
Summed up my feelings toward ODST, though I do want to play for myself. However I don’t want to buy it, my friends will be playing it so they won’t lend it to me, and Blockbuster or any rental place won’t have it in stock
I’m still waiting for a thousand-hour text adventure… and I just realized the majority of today’s gamers don’t even know what a text adventure is…
I don’t like Halo. It’s not because of its massive overhyping–I’ve just never enjoyed it, and its swarms of fanboys make me dislike it even more. It’s a generic FPS through and through that does absolutely nothing new or original.
Great video Spoony. You captured it perfectly.
Also I hate Halo. It makes me feel so out of it with todays gamers, but I really dislike that game :(
Good point, but Halo 2 was my first FPS and i have a soft spot for it. it brings back to entire thing about Final Fantasy 7, something you never really necessarily hate. But you do hate the people who obsess over it.
But really. 60$? WTF were they thinking?
I just like to see if he has skills at these FPS games is that a crime? After all he’s is the lord of tekken he’s he not?
Every Halo after the first one is utter shit. I feel that I should have gotten paid to play that and not the other way around. Oh and halo wars was shit too. Dumbed down RTS for xbox kiddies. Bungie sucks and is going to milk the halo franchise because they know moronic children and fratboys eat it up.
Yeah, I have trouble enjoying the Halo series because it is SO overrated, and this game is no difference, it really feels like a chore playing it.
Yeah, I was thinking the same thing Spoony.
A 60$ expansion? *COUGH COUGHLEFT4DEAD2COUGH COUGH* To be fair though, L4D2 does have a significant amount of content in it so far that I think counts it as a separate game. ODST was really only worth it for Firefight for me…I think I will stick to my one rent though.
I enjoyed Halo 1…that’s about it. Actually 2′s multiplayer was great, have a lot of good memories with friends with that one.
Hehe, I give the Spoony-man much credit. Hes pretty much summed up most of the HALO series. I never liked HALO, its a rather bland FPS in a sea of other bland FPS. Even the vaunted multiplayer is just okay.
Yeah, L4D was really overpriced for what it was. Knock the price down to $25 and buy 3 copies for you and your mates, I would actually do that if I had the money.
Omg spoony i listen that music yesterday ! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhVQwxHFbyQ
Hahaha, perfect representation of the game!
Bungie is the Monty Python of game story-telling. They get you all revved up in this incredibly rich experience, and then can’t bring it to a meaningful end. Don’t tell me you understood Blood Tides of Lh”owon and found it a satisfying sequel to Marathon 2.
People calling Halo:CE a bad game obviously never played it on LAN with GK’s. The skill gap is notorious and I still havent mastered the pistol. Halo 2 had the best tournaments in terms of players and skills. H3 has now like 100k cash for the winner but it lacks the skill gap from its antecessors. That being said, you have to give credit to bungie cause they make ginormous amounts of cash in one day, maybe even more than I’ll get in my entire life.
The Spoony one speaks the truth, can’t wait for uncharted2.
i laugh so hard the first time i watch it :D:D i click on the replay like 5 times in a row too funny spoony you are the best !!!!
Ah, the Mario Party solution.
I get tired when people bitch about how “This game is the same as another one”. No shit its the same, its a shooter for fuck sakes. An RPG is only marginally different from any other RPG, a shooter is only marginally different from any other shooter.
Halo has the benefit of being a GOOD shooter, so why fuck with the formula? Because doing new things might ruin it? They tweak the gameplay with every variation and it was fun to play one that didn’t have you as some invincible uber-tank man.
Halo 1 didn’t have free roaming parts that had you dodge and evade patrols, uncover hidden tracks and find weapon caches. ZOMG Fanboys is gonna be angry! Yeah, welcome to the internet man, everyones angry about everything
Thanks Kevin Holsinger (post#41) for the link. Save me some time tracking it down.
I agree with you Spoony, but I have to say that it is still a fun game because of the different story being told, but I then again I bought it mainly because of the guys from Firefly being in it. That’s right, I bought Halo 3: ODST because I’m a FIREFLY fanboy.
Regardless, I love anything Halo :)
Bungie charging 60 bucks for a three-hour episode might make people finally quit bitching about Valve charging so much for Half-Life 2: Episode One…
Also Half-Life is way better.
Oh, and that WAS from Megaman? I thought I was just imagining it, or that it was too good to be true.
For some reason I associated that song with Shadow Man, though (I need to replay those games).
I mega loled that was so on the spot.
Can you do this, but with Super Mario Galaxy 2? Alright, it’s dumb and you could do it with plenty of games, but I love how simple and comedic the delivery is.
Nice Mega Man remix you used by the way, Snake Man’s stage was my favorite level just for the music.
Can someone give me information on Halo multiplayer; does ODST include a regular multiplayer and everyone just going to be playing ODST online (making Halo 3 online obsolete) or are we going to be swapping around the discs for firefight and regular online action?
Am I the only one who noticed it was like 15 seconds?
Well from someone who has been playing FPS on PC and Console for years. I didn’t see all the hype about Halo or it’s sequels. to me it is just another average FPS out there that bores me real fast. I feel the same about Gears of War so don’t bash me as a halo hater. It could just be the fact i prefer real situation type FPS games… I.E. Socom, Call of Duty, Battlefield, Ton Clancy etc.. Granted i have Halo 3 and Gears 2 for when my buddies want to play it, but like i said they are just bleh to me.
Spoony… I love you more and more each day.
God, I fucking hate Halo. It’s just so bland and unoriginal.
Maybe if they bumped the price down to $15 I would get it. Seems fair, right?
5$ an hour so that would be perfect.
“God, I fucking hate Halo. It’s just so bland and unoriginal.”
Yeah, just like that Shakespeare guy! So bland and unoriginal with his “star-crossed lovers” story. How cliche can you get, amiright?
Halo 1 was great. Halo 2 was better, but completely marred by stupid ass glitches and exploits. Then the patch came out and changed the entire game to LOLMELEE. Then Halo 3 took that and added a graphical tweak, so the entire game is PEWPEWPEW SMACK.
I loved how in ODST the, “new” weapons are a silenced pistol, silenced SMG, and the Brute Plasma Rifle from Halo 2. Yeah, those are new.
“Yeah, just like that Shakespeare guy! So bland and unoriginal with his “star-crossed lovers” story. How cliche can you get, amiright?”
Did you just compare Halo to the Bard? Halo wasn’t original even when it came out. It was so well received because the last good FPS on the consoles was all the way back with Perfect Dark. And maybe the underrated and lesser known TimeSplitters.
But it didn’t bring anything new to the table. It was solid, which in an FPS starved market translated pretty quickly into good.
Just like the rest of the series, really.
Anyways, I actually HAVE a magazine that says Bungie DIDN’T WANT ODST (or, in the magazine, at the time, this game was called “Halo 3: Recon”) TO BE $60, as it was more of a standalone expansion. I thought, “okay, ANOTHER freaking Halo game, but hey, at least they are thinking cheaper for this installment. So, what? $30, $40? Makes sense.” Then I see it selling for $60, and say “BULLSHIT!! I have proof, PROOF, that this is bullshit!”
I’ll wait until a price drop. I like the Halo series, and don’t care what anyone says about it being “Unoriginal” or any other shit. I play games to have fun, not see revolutions.
Ha, ha! That was really funny! I’m not really into Halo. I’ve always thought of it as another generic FPS game. $60 for an expansion pack, they must be out of their freaking minds.
Yeah I was pretty pissed, I bought this out of pure blindness, after reading a good review off of Kotaku.
But the Legendary does extend the gameplay, by making it brutally difficult, I’m up to the challenge, but dammit I want a campaign that doesn’t rely on difficulty for length! The Audio Logs are a decent listen, deeming them to be a good enough search.
The firefight is a great mode with friends and the fact that they gave us all map packs with Halo 3 multi was good for me. I never downloaded map packs so I like it all and the fact that there will be a beta for Halo: Reach gives me reason to hold on to the game. But still, $60 was a crime to pay for this, I however bought Scribblenauts with it, so the sting of overpayment is weakened with Scribblenauts.
Seeing God fighting a Kraken that beat the sh*t out of Einstein is a fantastic waste of time.
Well the ODST game would be better if it was halo 3 with new missions and a new mode. But there was so much stripped out that I gotta say your right. It’s Combat Evolved with the Halo 3 weapons and vehicles in it
i agree with this. the first halo was decent but the rest are just cash-ins.
I kinda disagree i am not halo head but i have played them all just cause they are good games and i play with my friends. And to me ODST feels like it has the best story structure its a lot darker that the first three games and i guess if you look at all that the game has to offer it can justify the 60 dollar price tag. Think if you had not owned halo three you get halo ODST and halo three multilayer with every map ever made as well as some new ones. i guess if its your first halo game 60 dollars is worth it
I like ODST.
It’s like halo one because the pistol is the god cannon.
I am kinda pissed it’s not $40 though.
I’m too old school for this new crap. For me, games peaked when it took you weeks to beat a game and you had to sit down and draw a map so you wouldn’t get lost. You know, when you had to work to win. There was no internet to get maps from, no strategy guides that gave anything away (or at least none that I bothered to buy), and you sure as shit got more than 3 to 9 hours of gameplay for your $60.
But then I’m dumb like that. I’m also one of those stupid people who’d rather hang out in an arcade and actually see and speak with (and talk good-natured shit to) other humans, instead of connecting to them online and chatting with my headset. I crave human contact and interaction like that. And I’m in the minority now.
Unfortunately, Bungie can’t set the prices. Microsoft has the final say, and they’re far less generous to the fans. It looks interesting enough for me to buy at some point, maybe used. I like Bungie, and I love Marty’s work, so the soundtrack is at least a must-have for me.
I rented it from GameFly and I am loving it. I could see it taking 3 hours on Easy or Normal, but increased difficulty increases gameplay time. 60$ is a load of shit though. I still lol’d. I wish Halo 3 was more like this.
Hahaha, awesome. Love it
To the dood way above: And shakespeare was a hack, nothing he wrote was original. Read Greek Myths for once
“shakespeare was a hack”
Seriously? You’re gonna go there?
I love halo. I know I’m a halo head but seeing the story in a different perspective is a breath of fresh air. The game is fun and does offer as much replay value (campaign wise) as halo 3. Firefight mode is fun with friends. Also, new machinima ideas flow to you as you play it. I know the price is harsh and it is when I bought I felt a stinging like ouch bungie. Oni is right about the price it was supposed to be $30 but the Halo franchise is a cash cow of microsoft just milking it. I say bungie becomes an independent company so they wouldn’t be tied down by contract between them. Oh well.
IF they call it an expantion/update then why is it its own game. why not have it be a download that runs off of helo 3 game like a dlc… oh wait this video explains that $$$. (i know my spelling sucks)
I’m a halo fanboy, but you know what. Fuck ODST, fuck Halo wars, and fuck Halo Reach!!!!!!!! Please just let halo die! It turned to shit, for most people, at the end of Halo 2. That ending sucked.
“And shakespeare was a hack, nothing he wrote was original. Read Greek Myths for once”
Nothing is original, but Shakespeare was great.
Sorry, gotta go laugh for 30 mins straight.
ROFL nice spoony just nice, i feel the same way with some of the other games too.
Anyway, i hate halo, and gears of war. Seriosly, i really do. Didnt like halo, nor gears of war for many reasons which consists of gameplay being boring as shit to just not liking multiplayer ands weopens all together. The only thing i thought was pretty cool about halo was that weird light saber wrist sword blade thing.
I just find it lame that they originally said this was going to be a budget title for like $30 but then they raised the price up to $60. I’m not paying $60 for a short campaign and some multiplayer. I’m not even very good at the multiplayer so I would just get creamed. Also this Firefight mode is just a straight rip-off of Horde mode from Gears of War 2. So I agree save your money and buy something else.
Bah! I had that Megaman music in my head all day at work because of this. LOL!
Guys. Of course we should compare Shakespeare to Halo. After all, Shakespeare invented a large portion of the modern English language (forever shaping the way a good portion of the world communicates), and Halo invented a in-game teabagging (a moment of equal importance that forever shaped the discourse of good sportsmanship, taste, and manners).
Also, saying that nothing is original is a cop-out for people who don’t want to attempt creativity.
MM3 Snake Man stage theme in the background?
I think that was the funniest thing I’ve seen you do yet! You’re absolutely right too!
I think people are missing the point on both sides!
first off: I believe that Spoony is pointing out the ODST is just like Combat Evolved not saying that Halo was copy / pasted over the entire series.
secondly: the comparing of Shakespeare to any video game at all is just stupid, stop it.
Lastly: Be a Halo ‘fan boy / girl’ or a Halo Hater these are just games and nothing more, so whether you like them or not, don’t take another person opinion as some sort of attack against you personally.
Wait there are people comparing Halo to Shakespeare? WHAT IN THE FUCKING HELL!
Halo is Golden eye in space.
Kill Aliens with guns? WOW AWESOME THE MOST ORIGINAL IDEA EVAR!!!!111111
Halo is only good for when you have a group with you and you want to kill time with mindless shooting.
But people continue saying that is the best shit ever shat, and even compare it to shakespeare? fuck fanboys, Halo sucks.
BEST REVIEW EVER. aside from ffviii
Spoony, I’ve been a big fan of yours since you started. I agree with you on almost everything. Except this video. I really don’t think it’s very fair. I see your point in it, but I definitely have to disagree. ODST is a very different animal from any of the other Halo games. The style of play is changed dramatically. If you want to be successful at it anyway. The run and gun, Rambo techniques don’t work nearly as well this time around. Bungie did make significant changes to the Halo 3 engine, and wrote a very good story centered around the ODSTs. The campaign was a very solid 6 to 8 hours, unless you play on Legendary difficulty which amps the challenge up and draws the game out to double the time length. Firefight is a blast, and definitely a brand new thing for Halo. And the Halo 3: Mythic Multiplayer Disc that is packed in, makes the 60 dollar investment worth it. So I really feel that while your opinions of games are usually spot on, this one just isn’t fair.
Wait there are people comparing Halo to Goldeneye?WHAT IN THE FUCKING HELL!
Goldeneye is a classic, it just the father of all modern console FPS.
And what Halo is? A completely mindless generic shooter, nothing more.( I must admit that the online multiplayer was nice in Halo 1, not because the game was good, but because it was the best avaible at the time he was released).
thank you comment number 179.
i was going out of my mind thinking i know this song, what the hell is it.
oh yeah um i guess i should comment on ODST…. but i never liked halo so i dont have any idea what the hell it is.
I can tell you first hand, having just played through the campaign, it’s at least 6 hours long on Normal. The only way I could see you finishing it in three is if you played on Easy. In which case, you’re not getting the real experience of the game anyway. You should never play ANY game on Easy, it kills the experience.
I actually Like Halo…
But this left me in stitches. Having played all the Halo games (except this one)
I should know better than anyone that you’re absolutly right.
For what it’s worth, I’ve always though Halo was a good series that was vastly
over-hyped by a bunch of slavish fanboys. That in turn caused those for whom
Halo “wasn’t there thing” to despise it.
Oh well, now both sides hate me (possibly including you, Spoony). I’ll get the
game when it hits $20 and five star this right now.
What a waste of time (the video, not the game).
I was expecting a real 5 second video, you know an awesome snippet from a game or movie (perferably the brute neck stabbing scene), not a blatant lie.
I wanna know where Spoony got that organ remix of Snake Man’s stage. :D
so is a waste of time because you wanted spoony to say that the 5th re-release of halo 1 is awesome and he didn’t?
So I’ve heard Spoony, so I’ve heard :)
Man the flames are hot in here. :P
Ironically, I despise these games and all who play them with a burning passion.
Is it just me or does anyone else thinks this looks like Tom Clancy´s Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter if it was in the Halo universe?
spoony, i hate halo especially after 2, and everything it did to the first person shooter.
but honestly, you should have put that sticker on halo 2, as it was the end of halo for many who liked 1.
see i liked halo when it first came out, i was happy that a fps was good on the console again. but the fanbase… my god the fan base… fucking hate them so much.
halo did one thing right, it stuck to the basics and made the basic fun, but it brought nothing new to the fps at all.
hell i think unreal tournament 3 for the ps3 brought more inovation than any halo… it brought the mouse and keyboard to the console.
Halo:ODST & Left4Dead2; Proving how willing gamers are to part with full game money for DLC.
“Halo is Golden eye in space.”
Did you just compare Halo to Goldeneye!? Are you perhaps missing half your brain because Goldeneye beats Halo in every way.
“Halo:ODST & Left4Dead2; Proving how willing gamers are to part with full game money for DLC.”
You must be one of those stupid L4D2 boycotters who don’t know their ass from their elbow.
Shut up, this video is absolutly true and you know it.
Why would you hate people you have never met just because they like a game? If you specifically mean those people who blindly defend it as “the best game ever” (it’s not, not even close) or people who compare it to FUCKING SHAKESPEAR, then I can see where you are coming from. But don’t make blanket statments like that.
What?! I played Goldeneye. It was good, in its time, but now it’s vertually unplayable. They are two increadably diffrent games, on colpletly diffrent consoles, and you are doing nothing but being an asshole for the sake of…I don’t know.
And I’m not buying L4D2 either. I didn’t buy the first one either, because I want Half-Life2 Episode 3, or just strait up Half-Life 3.
I agree that the Halo franchise is vastly overhyped. I’m a general fan of the Halo mythos, but I’m no drooling fanboy. They’re fun games, but outclassed in every way by many other games.
I find it funny that most people leaving comments hate the price. I suppose it is somewhat pricey, but unfortunately there’s something of a standard cost to games. Plus if you consider you get all the map packs, a 30 dollar cost, on top of what most believe should have been a 30 dollar game you get 60 dollars. Not saying it’s right, but it’s true. And in the end, it really comes down to this. If you like Halo enough, you’ll buy it, if you don’t like it enough, you won’t buy it. If budget is a concern, tell bungie by not buying the game and renting instead.
P.S. The game does run around 6 hours on normal, and playing legendary with some friends is just good times. Then again, we still believe in the term LAN party, who needs online when you can yell at each other in person :)
Pure and utter truth. Even as a fan of Halo, you speak the truth, good sir.
My friend got it on Tuesday, I played it tonight and beat it in 5 hours on Normal. You’re basically paying $60 for a new multiplayer mode and a map pack. I gave him back the controller, told him to enjoy his overpriced maps, and I went back to playing a much better investment, Mini-Ninjas. Miniature ninjas that can possess woodland creatures. What could be better?
Oh, it’s not three hours long and you know it. I’ve played the game with three other people who play Halo 3 matchmaking on a daily basis that know how to play well and its taken us more than twice that long (well, on Legendary anyways).
I’ll probably get it when it gets real low is price, just like I’m doing for Halo 3.
Haha, nice use of a classic remix from OCR, Spoony.
What was the midi tune playing. Very familiar.
Yes, there are Halo fans who aren’t slavering fanboys. Halo is a good game, but Spoony is absolutly right. It’s basically the same game with minor tweaks from iteration to iteration. It’s certainly not even the best game even on the 360 (The Orange Box, five games for the price of one anybody?). But it is a solid shooter.
I think those who hate it with a passion are people for whom “This isn’t there thing” has been twisted into rage by those idiots who claim that Halo is: “Teh Best Game Evar!” It is not the best game ever and it has been milked heavily by Microsoft.
On the other hand, which famous video game franchise hasn’t been milked (somtimes to death) or coldly abandoned for seemingly no reason?
So, Halo is a good game, that is not for everybody, and has accumulated an increadably slavish fanbase.
Spoony, I’ve been loving your recent troll streak.
I don’t get it, in what sense is it the same as halo 1? ODST definitely has the most unique campaign out of any of the halo series. The only major similarities between 1 and ODST are that they both have the uber-pistol and a health bar…
Besides I wouldn’t call a new plot, much better graphics, new weapons, new enemies, new vehicles, new characters, ect. minor tweaks. ODST is more similar to Halo 3 than anything else (because it is Halo 3).
Halo is one the most over rated games ever. Christ way back when, i upgraded my computer to Windows Xp just to play this boring pile of shite.
You speak good truths Spoony one
keep it real
A useless waste of money for one of the most overrated games of human history.Great one Spoony !
I never understood what the big deal about Halo was in general. Especially when you have FPSs like Crysis, Half Life 2…
Oh, right, we are talking about *console* FPSs. Yeah, Halo rocks. Yay Halo.
Hahaaa…MICROSOFT rapes the sheep once again. This game has nothing to offer me as a gamer.
ORANGE BOX FTW !
PS. Waste of money !! ( : <
When I saw “Halo ODST in five seconds”, I thought you’d started another let’s play.
Too right… lacklustre add on to a lacklustre series.
Even though I’m gonna by ODST, and I”m a huge fan of the Halo games I get your point. Spoony rules!!!
3 hours? Took me at least 8. Should stop playing on Easy and running from combat Spoony =).
Besides, Left 4 Dead can be ‘beaten’ in under 4 hours, yet it got game of the year last year. Why? Multiplayer! Same reason any Halo game even EXISTS. So you totally missed the point.
Also the game is 60, but has about 20 bucks worth of Halo 3 maps in it. If you aren’t a Halo fan, you probably don’t already have those. If you are a Halo fan, you’re already buying this. So what’s the problem?
oh but you guys complaining about it being unoriginal, NOTHINGS original !!!11!!!11!!!
haf lif? yah that alyz bitch aint no elite skank
STALKER? wats tat? sum gayme in chernobyl, that shit is MAD GAY!!!111! aliens in space is much cooler
Deus ex? yah, GAYUS SEX LOLOLOLOLOL111!!
sistem shock 2? yah, teh ai bitch aint cortana so this game is my penis LOLOLOLOLO!!!!11!!
This is how your typical conversation with a Halo fan would play out if you told them that Halo is generic (and it is) and started listing off other, better first person shooters. They are idiots who will pay $60 dollars for a glorified expansion pack. I’m almost surprised Bungie didn’t exploit this and sell the game for $120. Say what you will about Rainbow Six Vegas 2, at least that lasted longer than six hours. At least that was fun as hell.
I might buy this game… might. I’m undecided at the moment. I’m thinking of re-subscribing to Xbox live but I sold my copy of Halo 3 about a year ago (Which I played a fair bit when I had it). So for me its a choice of getting another copy of Halo 3 for £10/15, or getting ODST with the extra map packs, horde mode and a new (if short) campaign mode for £30.
Hail, oh spoony one.
I never liked halo that much and never really understood why it was such a success. And as DeathsHead419 before me said, popular series are too often milked to the point you can just put it’s name on an box with a game of pong inside (with *insert popular game here* theme) and It would still sell… *cough* FF series *cough* At least they don’t have to use roman numbers to name halo… yet…
And I love your *insert name of crappy game here* review in 5 seconds, keep up the good work :P
Oh and as for what inovations Halo brought: the first game made only being able to carry two weapons and regenerating health the staple of modern FPS’s. Halo 2 and 3 sadly didn’t innovate anything.
You got Halo 1 for $15.00? I got it for $5.00. You were ripped off my friend.
Played it and beat it. I don’t even own a 360. The main reason for that is most all the games you can get for a 360 you can get for PC. ODST was fun, but I would never even think of buying it for $60, even if I don’t own Halo 3. My friend dropped $40 more on it for the limited edition (It’s a shiny controller), and…YOUZ CAN PLYZ AS JONSON! OMG LOL!!!1! (That is seriously the reason my 21-year-old friend gave me for pre-ordering the game, cause you get a different head skin with a dude smoking a cigar. I could not believe it. The only game I pre-ordered was Kingdom Hearts: 358/2 Days, and the reason for that is because I played and beaten the Japanese version, and had a blast with it, so I know what to expect.)
I will admit I am a fanboy of certain game series, but I never got into Halo, save for the first one, which is the only one I will play usually. Sure, Firefight is fun but I won’t pay $60 just to play it when I could buy other games for MUCH cheaper that have even more value, like an RPG, or the Orange Box or Deus Ex if I felt like playing some great shooter games.
I’ll pass until it becomes $30 like it was supposed to be, Microsoft…if I even get a 360….
Headshaker September 23, 2009 at 1:36 pm
”I’m still waiting for a thousand-hour text adventure… and I just realized the majority of today’s gamers don’t even know what a text adventure is…”
You are likely to be eating by a grue for that comment, haha.
AMEN brotha. i rented and beat then returned this game in the same afternoon
PC gamer here, since I mostly play WRPG’s, RTS’s, TBS’s, FPS’s, none of which are any good on consoles. Also there is not much point in buying teh new shit, since it’s mostly just shiny eye-candy, with crappy dumbed down gameplay, meant to cater to the lowest common denominator, so it’ll sell well.
And to the retard spouting about Innuvashun, playing like a noob, and then regenerating your limbs under your mums skirt all over is not innovative, it’s retard friendly.
Once they introduced halo wars I Knew it was gonna be like Dynasty Warriors or Tony Hawk
Just title after title of the same bad game
ODST is a Huge rip-off
Halo has some of the most BORING campaign play ever
Paying 60$ for a bad campaign and some new shitty maps is so stupid a caveman would do it
Its like the Transformers 2 of the Gaming world
Its currently my 20-somethingeth play hour with Stalker: Clear Sky (granted, it can be finished in 15 or so hours if you rush), and honestly, I pity those who think that 6-8 hours of gameplay is adequate. 6-8 hours is what? A Sunday afternoon playsession?
Heck, I recall a certain demo taking up many hours if that was your first try. (BGII)
OH NOES! U CALL HALLO ODST A SIXTAY DAOLLAR UPDATE OF HALLO 1 !!!!111!!!!! U SUK NOOB!!!!111!!!
Kidding aside, yeah, it does kinda feel like that. Only thing i like is the maps i never bothered to pay for whan they were released and I kinda like firefight mode. I was also playing the game for like two hjours and i have yet to see how the open world design works since all you do is walk and shoot covenant and have flashbacks
funny, i had the same idea in relation to GRID>NFS: Shift
Being a Halo fan I wasn’t overly impressed with ODST’s campaign once I completed it. Unlike playing as the Master Chief, playing as an ODST didn’t really make me feel as if I had accomplished anything, wandering around New Mombassa to link up with my broken squad. Granted it was an innovative of going about a storyline – flashbacks, clues etc. (for the Halo series anyway), but at the end I knew what happens next (Halo 3) and the Covenant still have run of the city, so what honestly did I achieve??
But despite this initial disappointment, I knew that with a release date of 2009, after only releasing Halo 3 in 2007, this wouldn’t be along the same lines as previous Halo games so my expectations weren’t as high. Although it has to be said, I really love firefight, it was an addition needed in Halo’s multiplayer since custom games of Zombies appeared in Halo 2. Personally just for Firefight and the new map content, this was worth it for me.
Also don’t forget the Halo: Reach beta, for fanboys like myself this also makes the price tag wirth forking out the cash for.
I’ll never understand why so many people feel the need to hate anything that’s popular. It doesn’t matter how good or bad it really is. If it gains popularity, we must instantly hate it forever. Very strange.
And the argument of every Halo game being a re-release of Halo 1, is getting really old. Every Halo game has been significantly changed from it’s predecessor. Halo 2 added more weapons, a second playable character in campaign which broadened the viewpoints in the campaign, and a whole host of differences in Multiplayer. Halo 3 again added more weapons, and more changes to Multiplayer. And ODST has completely changed our point of view from that of the Rambo esque style of Master Chief to the more character driven plot of the ODSTs, changed the weapon loadout again, and changed the damage and health system. Just because you WANT to ignore the changes between games doesn’t mean they aren’t there. So come off it.
Another thing that’s very unfair about this video, is the fact that you pin the price of the game on Bungie. Bungie doesn’t decide the price. Their publisher, in this case MS games, along with the retail stores, decide the price.
That’s only the tip of the iceberg anyway. Spoony, I really wish you just hadn’t made this one. I understand you wanted to get all of us talking, and that Halo is an easy target since it’s massively popular. But this video was a cheap shot, very unfair, and an outright lie.
Well, new weapons and multiplayer tweaks don’t really change much. I mean, if we’re talking about the single player experience, the first adds slight change, but the latter does absolutely dick. The plot in Halo 1 and 2 just feels the same to me, but 2 did have some differing gameplay with the whole playable alien-thing. But I’m not calling it a bad game, I’m calling it overrated, and it’s simply not my thing. And if you really wanna play a game with dudes in mecha suits blasting robots, I’d personally go with Star Wars Battlefront 2.
I’m not really sure why the campaign’s story is such a big problem. Halo 2 and 3 are continuations of the story arch started in Halo 1. Where’s the problem in that? When you see a numbered sequel, don’t you expect the game to pick up where the previous one left off?
Well, its called Halo 3:ODST for a reason, its just Halo 3 with random stuff added like the title. $60 I truly riduculous though considering how Burnout Paradise and Forza Motorsport 2 have been re-released at $20 with DLC discs, looks like Bungie cord knows it fans well and dosen’t care about the financial state of them, Bungie just wants money and they’re impulsive enough to pluck it down to them!
It is so true. If you already own halo 3 you shouldn’t have to pay more than 10 bucks for it. since the campaign sucks, the new multiplayer maps suck. The only cool thing is firefight.
By the way does anyone know the name of the song in the middle part of the clip?
Eh, until I play the game, I’m inclined to agree with this. I LOVE Halo. I’m a fanboy, sure. But this game…may have missed the mark from what I can tell. There was a lot of potential there that looks like has been wasted.
Halo 2 and Halo 3 don’t do that in exact however.
Halo 1 was a great game(this is coming from a guy who hates Halo)
Halo 2 wasn’t great it wasn’t better than Halo 1 and it seemed shorter to me and it started getting rather weird.
Halo 3 is just a giant fucking plot hole… upon a plot hole… upon a miriad of other plot holes…
Halo 3: ODST is just a giant fucking plot hole with patches and an update… oh and a price just as gay as the The Force Unleashed: Ultimate Sith Edition.
The song is from mega man 3 i believe
3 Hours? Yeah, I can see that. Play on Easy, don’t go for ANY achievements, and simply skip every enemy? You can literally beat EVERY level in under five minutes.
Of course, every Halo game is like that. Speedruns on easy are insane. You can beat levels in literally 5 minutes. Grab a vehicle and go, ignore everything.
I’m not sure I’d compare ODST to Halo CE though. Not many similarities. And the health system bugs me. Not because it exists… But because if you’ve lost ANY health (not even a lot, even just a sliver) you get this constant heartrate beep while you play. And it just makes you look up at your health constantly to see if you really ARE in danger of dying.
I only really have two major complaints about the game…
Campaign levels are incredibly short. You barely do any fighting at all, and then the level is over. Then, you wander through the (pretty much) empty city to get to your next location.
The other complaint is how linear the game FEELS. Now, with Halo CE, the game didn’t feel linear at all. Yeah, it was linear, but it didn’t really feel that way. You were given a large amount of freedom in the game. In ODST…. Not so much. You’re prevented from going up the slightest of inclines, the “ceilings” are a lot more noticable, especially when you’re climbing or jumping… And by ceilings I mean “invisible ceiling so you can’t explore”. Every mission is just “drive down the street and kill everything” on an incredibly linear path… There’s no option to spice it up with stealth or a sneak attack… You’re always charging STRAIGHT INTO the enemy stronghold.
Well, okay, I guess I’ve got a third complaint. Firefight. God this mode can be annoying, frustrating, and CHEAP. Especially when they decide to put on “Black Eye” and “Catch” at the same time. Get close to an enemy to melee to get your shields back, and then be bombarded with grenades. Catch, in and of itself is highly annoying and leaves you susceptible to grenade bombardments of literally NO ESCAPE… Also, why do the dropships shoot at you? This forces you to hide in cover until the enemies have had a chance to set up and maybe bombard you with grenades. I suppose this can be a “game mechanic” in a sense… But it’s still annoying, because when you’ve just finished mopping up a group of enemies, the dropships can come in and shoot the crap out of you LONG BEFORE you ever find cover. This forces you to simply “hole up” somewhere and defend, instead of taking a more pro-active fighting style. The game then degenerates into just another “Horde” mode or “Zombie” game. It becomes less about killing the enemies and more about getting a good camping location and staying there.
Lighting on the label printing out ODST could have been better.
Manuel focus probably would have helped on the packaging shot so it wouldn’t have to start out being out of focus.
I like the Snake Man remix you used.
Golden eye was also boring, the only good thing about it was when having a group with you, the missions all consisted go from point a to point b and kill everything in the middle.
and Halo is the same shit.
So, because I hate both golden eye and Halo I automatically like Left 4 dead? that’s your best defense? ad nominem? pathetic
For all those people who are complaining at Spoony about the time frame, and that maybe he should play on a higher difficulty.
Playing on easy or normal shows you how long the game REALLY is. The extra time it takes you to get achievements or how many times you have to restart or how each level might take longer because there are more enemies to carve through really doesn’t add to the length of the game. Yeah, it may feel like it does, but honestly, it does not. Really. Just think about that for a minute.
Let it seep in.
I would have to say, for those who aren’t a fan of the Halo setting, that no, ODST probably doesn’t have very much allure. However, as a fan of the setting, I personally love the camera-shift to a less epic point of view within the far-reaching war that’s going on within the setting.
It effectively tells me the story, and does a fine job of setting the ambiance and mood. And that’s all I need. I’m sixty bucks down, and quite happy about it.
…and I said ‘setting’ way too much in that post. Damn, I sound like an idiot.
Hm. Anyone who says Firefight is ripping of Horde is an idiot. That sort of gameplay was most certainly not original to Gears of War 2.
Ok, I’ll try this one more time.
Some of these comments seem to bash console gaming period. Ok, you can afford to upgrade your PC and play great games with vastly better visuals and arguably better control. Some of us can’t. Some of us, have computers that take five times to reboot before it will function and are possesed by satan.
As for Halo, if you hate or are indifferent to the series, then you believe this to be true. If you have played all the Halo games, you know goddamned well this is undeniable fact. Everyone should be able to laugh at this (Ten times viewed, still funny!).
Now, can we please stop the hate? Halo is just not for everyone. I don’t like sports games and Mass Effect wasn’t my thing either, but I don’t hate those who enjoy sports games; or those who can ignore god awful vehicle controls and sloppy, annoying combat to enjoy a fairly well developed story.
Also, Halo isn’t “Teh greatest Game Evar”, not even close. BioShock has a much better story (Haven’t played System Shock 2 due to Shitty-Computer-Syndrome, one of my great regrets). And please don’t compare it to FUCKING SHAKESPEAR (I really can’t get over that). It’s a good game but if you seriously think it’s the best, you seriously need some veriety friend. Also, I doubt he’s really saying it takes three hours to beat. He’s just useing hyperbole to illustrate that the game is way to damn short.
On a side note, I always wondered how I would react if Spooy one day turned his bitter snarkiness toward something I actually liked. I laughed, pretty hard. If any of you leave this sight in disgust because he pointed out something that is absolutly true, you are a sad sad human being. Reamember, he put on a Squall costume for your entertainment.
Halo is like anime. It’s mostly the same old derivative cliched overpriced crap with a few very rare interesting parts, and worshipped as a god by people who don’t know any better.
I agree with #200 about the price. I’ve had a similar argument with people whining that UNO Rush should be as much as UNO. People complain so much about the price of a game that it overshadows what the game actually entails. If you don’t want to dole out the cash, just don’t buy it and stop talking about it.. because you don’t want to play it, right? Just let the people who do want to play, play. And since Bungie couldn’t have it at the price they wanted, they basically gave people a 2-for-1 with the additional disc that can be played for multiplayer Halo 3 instead of popping in Halo 3 itself.
I disagree that ODST is just like all the other Halo games. It really does play differently and I agree with some one else saying you have to take a different approach to it vs. the ‘run in and kill things really fast!’ technique. Altho’, the time-length depends on how well you can approach it differently.. since my BF and I beat it on Legendary within 6 hrs and that includes breaks. We didn’t find all the Intel yet, so that’s still there to do and Firefight is a fun way to try and survive waves of baddies.
I have to say, also, that FPS’s are all similar as in… they are all games that have shooting involved with a first-person perspective. You don’t have to like Halo or Gears, but they weren’t meant to be realistic. I remember when games DIDN’T have to be realistic in order for people to like them. C’mon.. a plumber who stomps on mushrooms is not realistic, but it’s still a classic. Keep loving your CoD and the realism of getting a headshot with a shotgun from a mile away or cooking grenades and randomly getting kills with them right off the bat. So reaaaallll /sarcasm…. (I own CoD, too. So I’m not *just* a Halo player.) They’re (Halo and CoD or any other shooter) are still in the same genre whether they are “realistic” or not. It’s just silly to me that people dislike those games (Gears and Halo) because of that.
“For all those people who are complaining at Spoony about the time frame, and that maybe he should play on a higher difficulty.
Let it seep in.”
This is by far the most idiotic post I’ve ever seen. I used to regard “tl;dr” posts as the most idiotic… But this one takes the cake.
You, my good friend, are a complete idiot.
The game has DIFFICULTY SETTINGS so that you can choose your own experience. If you wish to simply plow through the game without killing anything, without exploring anything, and without really listening to the story (the cutscenes are about an hour of content or more), then you’re not really playing the game.
But, I’ll use a game with something similar in it to indicate “length” of a game. We’ll go back to GOLDENEYE.
Once you unlock the very last “difficulty” mode of play… And most of the cheats… Put on “super slow”, put on “infinite ammo”, put on “run super fast” and turn all the enemy sliders down to minimum (enemy health at practically zero, enemy response time at practically zero, enemy accuracy at practially zero). Now, run through each level.
What? You finish levels in about 2 minutes flat? The entire game is about a 20 minute ordeal? Seriously?
“Length of the game is measured in the amount of time you can beat it the fastest, and not by amount of gameplay can actually be garnered out of it!”
By your standards, ALMOST EVERY Metroid game has about an hour and a half of content.
Because, yeah, putting a game on the EASIEST difficulty imaginable is the “true” difficulty of the game, and is how long it actually is. Nevermind that each battle takes you approximately ten seconds to complete (if you bother with battles at all). Nevermind that enemies that SHOULD be able to mow you down in a few hits, can’t, because you’re playing on Easy.
Now, what if Halo ODST didn’t have a difficulty slider? What if it was only on Legendary? Would you have to change your argument? Why yes, I think you would.
I hate idiots. I wish they’d go kill themselves already and stop polluting our gene pool.
Tai MT sure does talk a lot for someone who claims that tl;dr posts are idiotic.
Let me use your own argument against you:
Yes, ODST has difficulty settings to let us choose our own experience. However, most of us aren’t masochists that want to die every two minutes because the game is skewed against us.
So excuse us for not wanting to play the game on Legendary that, ironically, turns the shooting aspect of the game into a duck and cover test of patience.
Yeah, Halo is seriously overrated. It’s only mediocre as a shooter and the immersion factor is really low. You’re in this high tech armored suit, yet it doesn’t make any heavy footfalls or really any sound at all. It’s like you’re walking on air. I mean I realize this is a bit of a nitpick, but it really got to me. Why does the suit not make any sound as you walk?! Add some sound or maybe the HUD could at least have some occasional static and other effects to make it look somewhat electronic.
Halo multiplayer is pretty lackluster as well if you ask me. It’s supposed to be “Combat Evolved” but to be honest it just feels like a rehash of Doom. Modern games like TF2 and Gears of War have interesting new cover mechanics or classes, or special weapons. But not Halo, it’s just the same old FPS setup, only worse because you move painfully slow. Try crossing any open area in Halo 2 multiplayer. It’s fuckin’ suicide.
I agree with Sherrios and Tai MT. Though most people only look for innovation and length more so than overall fun and satisfaction. Look at Metal Gear Solid 4, that game is pretty much 5 hours long if you skip all the cutscenes and know what the hell to do. (And damn lucky) Or the First Zone of the Enders, I beat that game in 4-5 hours, in my first playthrough (that includes continues and having to search for upgrades). I still playing it again, why? Because it is fun to play. And games that are the same and don’t add anything new, doesn’t make it a bad game. (I am not sure what Spoony is trying to say about the overall fun factor of the game, I think he just think it is stupid with its price for its length as an overall campaign, without looking for everything or going for the highest difficulty. But I am not him, so I cannot say. Anyhow, to me, the highest difficulty is pretty much its true game.)
RC, if Bungie made it as it is for the books, you know a lot of people are gonna try to use the ones who are the fastest or the strongest. And you know that will fail pretty hard. Not just that, I prefer to play in closed areas. I forgot to mention, that is why there are VEHICLES in open areas, USE THEM. If not, use the teleporter to use up less time.
Kenny, so you don’t like Call of Duty? Tom Clancy? Or any of the other modern shooter games? Well might as well go back to the older games (not that I have anything against them). But still, what is the use of nit-picking on a single detail, it make it seem like you never will be satisfied. As least you are not as bad as the Ninja Gaiden 2 fans, god that game is too unfair, only true masochistic people will play that game. I had reach my limit and return it.
Well, you gotta expect that from near all games that start out as DLC concepts, and ‘evolve’ into a new full title. *Cough, cough* Left4dead 2 *cough*. Not bashing it, or either for that matter, but just not worth retail on its own in my opinion.
“And so millions march to buy Halo 3 a second time along with Madden and Zelda enforcing the need for companies to release the same game with one new feature priced at $60 to nigh higher for a collection”
I never liked Halo since I first played Halo 2 and the ally AI sucked and made it unenjoyable and no game should force you to pay $50-$60 for the game only to pay 50 MORE dollars to actually get enjoyment from multiplayer.
SO SO TRUE!! It was a freaking mission pack that should have just been a $10 add-on you could download off of the Xbox Live Market. Crimeny, if you could take GTAIV and make the Lost and the Damned expansion simple downloadable content, then why not Halo 3? Is Micro$oft trying to find a way to re-hash the Halo franchise by creating this thing as a trial run?
Milk that fucking cash cow, Micro$oft. Make your quick buck because people dare not question ‘Teh All Mighty Haloz’ lest they suffer the Red Ring of Death.
Awesome 5 Second video. Kind of a better concept to act out the message you are trying to get across rather than using movie/game footage. Plus there’s not really any other way to do it for a 5 second video game…
Well here in europe the game’s pretty cheap, so im not complaining
lulz, i can’t believe this game had so much hype.
they couldn’t even change it from fucking halo 3, could they?
they need to stop making games, because none of them are any good.
except the first, which was sort of okay.
So what’s that song playing during the segment? I know it from SOMEPLACE but I can’t place what game it’s from…
On Solo Legendary it takes just under 9 hours at least for me it did. And its really not like Halo CE. Different atmosphere, music, no Master Chief. The health system an pistol are like CE though.
@ Laughing Man, #258
I was under the impression that Bungie was no longer owned by microsoft.
To Miera #261
It’s friggin’ Snake Man!!
The source material is from Mega Man 3, but it’s a OverClocked ReMix of the song by Mike McGann. The ReMix is titled Registration4 in the OverClocked website.
Was gonna comment about that anyways.
So, nice touch there Spoony! I didn’t know you were aware of the awesomeness of OC ReMixes.
What? Halo after Halo one was a pile of mediocrity and entirely devoid of originality?
Great video though, pretty much my feelings.
I have absolutely no idea what ODST is like, nor do I care. But I always feel like jotting down my views on Halo when fanboys are within reach.
I remember my first time playing Halo, and what an utter disappointment it was. I was playing with three friends of mine, who insisted that this was a great game for it’s originalty and revolutionizing gameplay. About one and a half minute in I realized that the pistol was the only gun you needed, and that tactics were inferior to “shoot-duck-recharge-shoot”. Then they showed me what they thought was the coolest thing about Halo, the sticky grenades.
Now this was in the summer of 2003 and Counter Strike was all my rage at the time, and then it hit me: This is CS with virtually unlimited armor and crappy guns, with a minor super hero mod giving only the sticky grenades. Granted CS with vehicles, and shiny unpractical bullets but still CS.
I more or less got up and left right there, if I had wanted to play CS I would’ve done so in the first place but with a control-sheme more suited to my tastes. A couple of years later I was at another friends house playing some Tekken, after boredom hit us he suggested to change the game and swapped consoles and booted it.
When the Halo 2 logo appeared on the screen I felt a slight dissatisfaction for agreeing, but figured it must’ve gotten better being a sequel and all. Alas what was to show itself upon me was a foul wretched being from the inner circles of hell, well that may be a slight exaggeration but still a good word to sum it up is shit. The guns had been balanced out to be equally shit, dual-wielding was added which was totally unnecessary (and shit for the sake of consistency) and the sword was added making other weapons more or less obsolete (which is shit seeing how this is a fps not friggin’ witchaven).
Now I haven’t played Halo 3 (fool me once etc.), but I have observed a game. And as I recall it, it was two people spraying several clips with the assault rifle before one of them succumbed after being shot an abundance of times. Now this is merely a guess, but I’m guessing that Halo 3 is suffering from underpowered guns syndrome as well.
Now, before you go ahead and reply something along the lines of “LOL U SUX TEH WEPONS R NOT WEAK U JUS SUX LOL NOOB”. I would like to point out that fps games are meant to be easily accessible, and should not rely on the player having aim-bot implants to play it. Feel free to nit-pick on my grammar and spelling, just try to translate this clustered mess into something meaningful before you start shouting about misplaced commas.
However it is a mediocre fps, which isn’t saying much considering the genre. It contributes little if anything new, and is, if anything, a small stepstone in the cesspool of first person shooters. Not the gargantuan gleaming tower of bliss it’s somehow made out to be. The fanboyism revolving it is not understandable by me. Perhaps because I have been spoiled by experiencing some of the earlier games of the genre before the dawn of Halo, and therefore have something to compare it to in regards of progression to prior games.
I’ll have to finish with the strong point of Halo which is undebatable, Halo has a extremely active and solid community which makes for easy match-finding and a possibility for constant rethinking of your choice of tactics. However this is not unique for Halo, and does not elevate it to a devine status.
If you for some reason bothered to read through that, I owe you an apology. It seems that boredom and spare time makes me write long unnecessary comments.
tl/dr? Abbreviated version:
Halo: CS with flashy lights, sticky-grenade from super hero mod and vehicles, on a console.
Halo 2: Guns couldn’t kill a fly, unneccesary dual wielding, sword which can cut the fabrics of reality.
Halo 3: Absolutely no idea, but I guessed underpowered guns syndrome.
Halo is mediocre, but has an active community.
reiterating that I agree fully.
ODST is maybe 4 or 5 hours, being generous. Has no matchmaking and really only has a disc that everyone who owns Halo 3 already has.
I can’t really see playing this game through a second time either.
I liked your stuff better back before your house exploded.
You are a fantastic writer and a pretty amusing guy overall, but I wish it would be more about the subject and less about the instant gratification LULZFACTOR or your silly characters. Many of your more recent posts reek of flamebait.
(This review, all previous comments aside, is pretty close to how I feel about halo, especially with the “changes” to the pistol (which is just a fancy way for them to say they are regressing it into the H1 version))
@228: I know that this is responding to an old comment, but this just has to be said: Halo ODST: 6-8 hours. $60 dollars right now. Stalker Clear Sky: 15-25 hours, depending on whether or not you do most of the side missions. It costed about $40 dollars when it came out. That’s a $20 decrease for a game that is longer, not to mention much more memorable and fun, than Halo ODST. Just think about that.
i agree that as a shooter, halo3 is a bit overrated, campaign can easily be oversadowed by something like combat evolved or even something like half life, but what really wins it over is how awesomely you can kill other people that actually exist, and that and that the game has a lot of easter eggs, and unlockables that are, actually pretty cool, but yeah, the actual game is a bit.. stiff, and not to mention expensive for expansions and such, but i can find no greater satisfaction in an xbox game than that one perfect plasma grenade stick
Thank god my existence does not stand in ranting on a silly game.
“Bad Company 4 life”…
I’ve said it before, I’ll say it again, Halo’s gone the way of Mega Man.
A well made shooting game (one with only 2 dimensions and one from a first person perspective) beloved by tons and tons of fans with numerous sequels that adds only a few new yet not strikingly different or innovative concepts to the formula but keep it functional. I predict that Halo will keep having sequels every few years that will largely be the exact same game, with the same enemies, and have the occasional spin off or a totally new series based off the original but with a new tone and coat of paint.
Which is where I see this series being full of more bull shit than Mega Man, since that series at least provides a new set of robot masters every game.
Halo, and every other futuristic space/war shooter just like it are all just another fad in video games, one that is balls compared to the gaming fad of the early 90s; Beat ‘em ups and Shoot ‘em ups.
Was that song from mega man 3 Snake man
Halo is Halo.
(if anyone bought this game thinking you were gonna get something “new” out of it, you were wrong)
if you like Halo then you will most likely like ODST (hence i like Halo and i liked ODST) but if you don’t like Halo you won’t like it. but for me it ODST was fun, it was a little pricey for how short it was, but hell atleast it wasn’t Mirrors Edge short. and even it ODST was short (and it most definately was) it was still fun and that’s what matters.
ODST is better than the other Halos. It’s still a bad game.
Daff-O what are you talking about. All the halo games were good but none were as fresh or as good as the first. Un tell Halo ODST which put a new spin and felt new. Plus I can see where the hate is coming from spoony but one can ask did he really play plus i thought he would go for the simple firefly joke or something. I guess most halo haters are blind to the blood sweat and tears that went in too it. I dont see the haters making a valid point of just saying its over rated or that people who like halo are dumb. I mean hell you get any gamer online and they talk like a freaking sailer. I mean since the days of playing CS and hearing little shit stains be racist online was common. I mean hell look at the WOW freak out kid. I mean hell online gaming just attracts twats. I mean hell I wish jay and silent bob could go kick all their asses.
The first Halo game was alright. I liked the story (I own all of the books – they’re better than the games) and the combat was interesting. But by the time I was halfway through 2, I started to realize, “What is the point?” The games themselves completely lack any form of innovation or interest. Every mission consists of “Walk from Point A to Point B, killing a couple hundred Covenant and/or Flood along the way.”
I miss the good old days of FPS. You know: Original Doom. There’s not much innovation, but that game will make you think twice about calling yourself a great FPS gamer. And the mindfucks were fantastic (Just get to the end of the first level of Doom 1. You’ll see what I mean).
this made me want to watch yatzee’s review of halo 3 and halo wars again
Feh, it was alright. The campaign was short, yes, but it was at least fun. Firefight is entertaining. The new maps completely suck. Was it fun? Sure, I guess. Was it worth 60 bucks for a glorified expansion pack? Hell no.
I completely agree with 277. I’ve played Doom 1 a hundred times over, and I never got tired of it. But I’ve played through ODST a total of 2 times and I don’t think I could stand playing it again.
Sounds about right
Spoony, you’re trolling, and honestly, I thought that was beneath you. Just lost some respect for you, if you really think this way, make one of your insightful reviews or vlogs and give intelligent reasons and opinions. Even if I didn’t agree, I’d have to respect something like that and I’d probably see where you’re coming from. And if you don’t really think like this, well, like I said. Trolling.
“Tai MT sure does talk a lot for someone who claims that tl;dr posts are idiotic.
So excuse us for not wanting to play the game on Legendary that, ironically, turns the shooting aspect of the game into a duck and cover test of patience.”
When someone is proving themselves an idiot, I should just step out of the way and let it happen… But gosh darn it, it’s just so much fun to point it out, laugh, then push them into the mud and hold their head down in it until they asphyxiate on the stuff.
I hate people who post “tl;dr”. I am not one of the people who post that. People who post “tl;dr” are complete idiots. You should try to understand what you’re making fun of, before making fun of it. Go take a reading comprehension class.
Also, “Legendary” hasn’t been a real challenge since Halo 1 and Halo 2. There’s also nothing “masochistic” about playing on that difficulty. Most of the time, it’s the only difficulty that offers any REAL challenge to the game. And you can typically plow through it really quickly if you use the Plasma Pistol overcharge and then a headshot.
I started a campaign on ODST on legendary. I did the first level or so, didn’t even die a single time. I could probably even link you the game if you wanted.
Legendary is not that difficult. I”m not even a “pro” player. Most of my ranks never make it past 40. And in halo 2, I never made it past rank 23.
Now, if me, a pretty average/mediocre player can stomp Legendary in any of the halo games (save for Halo 2… those snipers rape me every time, damn their God-Mode…) and you say it’s “masochism” to do it… I believe you’ve just indicated that you’re a pretty bad video game player in general.
I couldn’t even beat “Secret Agent” difficulty on Golden Eye. I can’t even beat “Secret Agent” difficulty on Perfect Dark.
But, I’ve beat every Halo game on the hardest difficulty.
Seriously man, epic-fail.
You’re talking to a guy who never beat the first Super Mario Brothers game, but can beat Halo 1, 2, 3, and ODST on Legendary.
The only masochism you will get out of playing on Legendary is that of your poor playskills. Likewise, the only way you die every ten seconds is from the same way. And really, if you’ve played ANY FPS before…. You shouldn’t have problems with the Halo games in general.
In fact, that’s one of my complaints about the Halo games. They are too damn easy. I want something a bit harder. No, not as hard as SLASO (i can’t even get past the second encounter in Halo 3 on SLASO…), but something a bit harder than we have. Maybe give the AI some “initiative”. Instead of letting you recharge shields and such, maybe rush you a bit. Send a few units to flush you out. Maybe make a few of them use human tactics. Like overcharge plasma pistol and then try to hit you with grenades or spikers and such.
I want SOMETHING more challenging than Legendary.
Atleast someone get’s what’s going on…
And if you ask me the Halo games are mediocore shooters at best and do not deserve all the praise they get. The level design is is dull with same corridors and rooms recycled again and again. The missions are not that interesting and often require backtracking (trough the same rooms that you’ve allready seen 3-4 times becouse of the cut&paste level design).
The flood is probably the most boring enemy ever created in a videogame. The first time you meet it you have to backtrack trough a huge level with dull grey texture all over it, killing flood who all have the same nonexistant death animation. The story could be interesting but in the end it just boils down to: “You are a superhuman killing machine, now save the earth from the bad guys.” Yeah never heard that one before…
So yeah I don’t really like Halo…There I said it. :P
What an unoriginal joke about unoriginality.
If it aint broke dont fix it, and it you dont like Halo dont fuckin buy it.
You know, I just realized I had more fun playing Marathon than I did playing this (not to mention it was a LOT longer). And that was about 10 bucks on Xbox Live Arcade.
I played ODST, I enjoyed it so I think it was worth the money I payed for it. If you didn’t enjoy it, well then there’s nothing that can be done for you. If you just don’t like Halo, then why bother? I don’t like TF2, HL2, and so many other games that are so popular with PC gamers, but I don’t go to every thread about them and go “LIEK OMG. SUCKS!!!!” I don’t insult gamers for what they like. Even though I don’t always agree with their thoughts about it. Spoony doesn’t always say things I agree with, however I can live with that because he puts thought into his reviews, usually. This one not so much, it feels like a cheap potshot taken at the expense of Halo fans.
I am a Halo Fan, but I’m not going to defend this.
ODST is pretty enjoyable for me, but it is Halo 3 again, just in a slightly different setting and much shorter.
I do like the return to health and a weaker character, but I still had no problem finishing the game on heroic in about 6 hours. I then finished it on Legendary on Co-op the same day.
It’s an expansion, nothing more. I would of been rather angry if I’d payed full price for it, but luckily I didn’t(Smart timing on Amazon FTW!)
I think after Halo: Reach I’ll be done with Halo. Halo CE is still by far the best in the series. 2 and 3 are okay but they never had the same draw to them. Halo Wars is an abominations which makes fun of Halo fans as well as RTS players. Some of the books are good, while some are just plain bad (The Cole Protocol is shite.)
I blame Microsoft for this, as Bungie really invisioned this as a cheapo expansion, but it’s microsoft who wanted a big title this quarter, because besides this they have absoultely nothing this year.
All this senseless Halo hatred.
I’m gonna say it again. And this is coming from a long time fan. I really wish you just hadn’t done this video Spoony.
I find it funny how both sides get butthurt, either because they don’t understand how the Halo series is doing so well or why people may hate it so much.
I personally don’t have the time or patience to feel like I’m being anally raped by someone’s opinion. Even if I may or may not agree with Spoony, it’s still funny overall.
Keep it up, people, the comments here are awesome!
I smell another hate mail thread a coming, where we laugh at the fanboys and girls trying to justify why they think this video sucks and how HALO IS TEH BEST OMG!!!!!
a lot of NERD RAGE!!! around here…
People who say ”if its not broken, don’t fix it” are stupid… its true but.. after 2 games the series needs some upgrades, halo CE was good, halo 2 was the same except weapons cant kill shit and dual wielding was pointless, halo 3 was the same.
it needs something new! like mega man before it, halo WILL bite the dust someday!
just see the HL series, HL1 is very different from the second one. and both game were amazing.
yes EP 1 and 2 are the same as HL2 but those are episodic and not 60 bucks!
if they released ODST as a DLC it would be OK.. but its not OK for a 60 dollar game.
At #266 Sablis: Well said, I’ve only played Halo 3 and its fun for an hour or so but then it gets boring with no music and lifeless stages and the main strategy is to run around grabbing all of the powerful weapons. The main gun that you get is underpowered and elbowing people works better for some reason. I have a friend that has played and still plays Halo 3 quite a bit, I think he likes playing Halo 3 against me because its one of the games that he usually beats me in since he usually picks stages where knows where the sword and other powerful weapons are. Halo 3 isn’t that much about gun and duck though it becomes that sometimes.
Alright, I only read the first three comments that were shown to me, and I raged.
Seriously, don’t you get what the video means at all? He basically means we were conned because the work put into the new halo is just new level designs and a bit of story, and not much of it at that; and, yet you have to pay the price for a full game just for that little bit. It’s not a matter of enjoyment of the game, it’s the fact it’s a complete and utter rip off.
Alright, people, it’s a series of games. Nobody said you HAVE to like Halo over all other shooters. It’s NOT the greatest shooter series of all time. I personally like it fine, and I have bought ODST, but I also happen to like Gears of War, Call of Duty, and any number of other shooters. Yes, Halo fanboys are ridiculously obnoxious, but complaining about them is equally as obnoxious.
Also, regarding the length of ODST, I played through on Easy the first time because I’m a lazy bastard, and even that took me at least four or five hours. It’s not necessarily worth $60, but I really don’t think it’s an affront to God that 90% of these posts make it out to be.
Nice touch using a remix of “Snakeman” from Megaman 3 for the background music.
odst is a bit too easy for my liking even on legendary
Hmm seems its more the Halo haters who are being the biggest douchebags, not the Halo supporters. I know its the lolz kewl thing to get on the bash on Halo with the fury of a thousand suns bandwagon these days, but heres a simple fucking method of unbunching the panties stuck deep in your asscracks. If you dont like the games, dont buy them. Lerning is phun! And this is comming from someone who isnt even really a Halo fan. I dont own any past the first game. I simply find so many of the people posting to be hypocritical twats who will feverishly bash on fanboys with much more fervor and single mindedness than the fanboys exhibit.
5 WAYS TO SAVE MONEY ON ODST
#1 DONT BUY IT simple as that
#2 STEAL IT im not condoning stealing but desperate times call for desperate measures if you want the game that bad
#3 trade in halo 3 with the purchase of odst because all youre doing is buying halo3 over again and a mini game
#4 wait a while for them to drop the price and then go buy it you wont be able to play it with some of youre wealthier friends right away but you will at least have the game
#5 and last but not least have youre system modded to play burnt games this way u just have to download and play and yes there will be a high cost at first but u can do the same with other games for the price of blank discs a hint for finding some one to do it for you search it on craigs list good chance of finding it as well as somone to fix the ring of death
so there you go the 5 ways to save money on odst
I didn’t read everything that has been posted. But.. If you beat the game in 3 hours, you aren’t playing on legendary, and you didn’t get all the achievements. I was forced to take some of my remaining vacation time, before the end of the year, and I picked the release of ODST to have the week off. I also have the week off for COD MW2, but thats just cause I don’t get sick alot at work. But whatever… We beat the campaign in like 5 hours, on legendary with 4 people. However it is much easier, with the respawn system, I mean if one person just hides in teh back, anyone who dies can just respawn and head back into the fun.
After that, we used the next two days to get all the achievements. The hardest one was endure, only because it was boring. I mean, we did it on winward, and just held the spawn. Anyone who got near it was dead, and it took too long. :) But, at midnight Thursday night, we had 100%’d the game, all the achievements, even the halo 3 new maps achievments, and I got my recon armor (yay :( ). But, I’ve played the eff out of that game, and I still love going thru the campaign. I wont play it on anything other than legendary tho.
As far as the same as Halo 1? WTF? R U SERIOUS? You don’t have crazy fast recharging sheilds, you don’t have super augmented jumping abilities, and you don’t have the luxury of a battle rifle, or equipment to help you along. The game was designed to deter people from run and gun style of play, and it worked. The game was a blast, and anyone who likes halo should play it for the story. The intel story is kinda lame… but the regular story is rather interesting. Its awesome knowing what happened back on earth, when the master chief was out owning the covenant/brutes/prophets.
If anyone needs to contact me… my gamer tag is Pepsi Blue. I probably wont be coming back to this site, I just got linked the video and found it funny.
Sooooooooooo many people flaming poor Spoony on this one…
So… I’ll add my own tale of the tape to the heap…
I, in real life, teach game design. I used to be a game designer. I worked for a couple game studios, actually worked for a couple not further than an hour from Spoony if I am right about him being in Mesa AZ.
Halo is crap.
From a design perspective Halo did more harm to gaming than any other first person shooter in the history of the genre. FPS games used to be hard. I mean really freaking hard. I mean you often didn’t get health back between levels let alone get health back from a regenerating health bar (excuse me, energy shield) that could fill up in less than 10 seconds of not taking it hit and that also had a secondary “hit register” (health) underneath it the way Halo did.
Legendary was easy, as it is in all Halo games, and it relies on knowing how to arc a grenade shot.
“Oh,” you say, “But HWalsh, what could you possibly know? Did you ever work on a Halo? Did you ever work on a First Person Shooter?”
To which I respond: “Nope, I never worked on a Halo, I did work on some FPS games though. The biggest name title I ever worked on was a My Little Pony educational game… While you may laugh at that, that particular game sold a lot of copies and I am totally content with that.”
Though HWalsh does know something else.
HWalsh isn’t only a game design teacher, he is also a game designer, and back in the 1990′s he was also a major competitor in the Nintendo World Powerfest finals in San Diego as well as tons of other stuff… HWalsh knows games.
Now, as far as what else Halo contributed:
Halo was probably the worst balanced game of all time. The pistol was stupidly lethal (killing in an average of 4 shots or 3 shots to the head.) and featured a zoom function making it a defacto sniper rifle… That was often more lethal than the actual sniper rifle.
The sniper rifle was incredibly broken as well due to it’s own insane rate of fire.
The best balanced weapons in Halo were the shotgun and the rocket launcher… And when we are calling a weapon that can kill you in one shot, in a vehicle or not, “balanced” then we know that we are dealing with a serious issue.
Let’s not even get started on the horrendous “Fuel Rod Gun” either…
Then there was Halo 2!
Halo 2 sucked.
They removed the health packs underneath the health bar… Er I mean energy shield… And they did fix the sniper rifle and the pistol. Then they introduced the sword and broke the game all over again. Suddenly Halo, a game that was supposed to be about fast paced shooting action became a glorified example of “Bushido Blade: The First Person Edition” as people focused on trying to land a one shot kill in melee on, usually, unsuspecting opponents with a mega-flight lunge attack.
Then came Halo 3…
Halo 3 was over-hyped, to the point of mental deficiency. Not only was it basically Halo 2 with a new skin. It was stupidly short due to the technological limitations of the Xbox 360. The game was able to be beaten, on legendary, while gaining all the skulls, in less than 5 hours… And I suck at console FPS games!
Now we have Halo ODST…
Which is nothing but Halo 1, with a Halo 3 graphical overlay, and a combination of all the flaws present in both Halo 1 and 2 for good measure.
The only good Halo was the RTS game, which makes sense because Halo was originally pitched to us computer gamers as an RTS almost a year before the Xbox was ever even announced.
Wow, TL;DR to the max.
It’s just a video game, it entertains people. If Halo is so bad why does every one play it?
Man… That was an awesome read HWalsh. If only you could sound more elitist, you’d be Dick Cheney. You’ll be just rollin in them big bucks when you make the perfect game and show those Bungie assholes…
Oh wait. Bungie is making big bucks. And a lot of people actually like their games? OMG! No justice! I’m gonna rant about it in my blog!
Really, this is just hilarious. Somewhat sad, but hilarious.
I really dont understand why there is so much hatred towards halo, some people like it some people dont, Ive enjoyed every single halo experiance, regardless *if its the same thing*, imo, just having halo 3′s multiplayer with ALL the maps another disk is a god sent, I like the game even though you dont doesnt mean you have too go out of your way too right a fuckin story, or make a video on how much you hate halo, I like spoony, but there was no reason for this, yes freedom of speach but you knew where this would end up, imo, if you hate it, stop bitching about it and play a diffrent game.
I have to agree with you on this one Windslash. Typically, I like most of Spoony’s videos. But normally they address things from both of our respective childhoods that truly were horrible. This video wasn’t that kind of thing at all. It has no place on a site like the Spoony Experiment. I don’t see Spoony as someone who needs to waist time on brand new games. Especially games that aren’t that bad. They just illicit hatred from everyone who thinks it makes them cool to hate anything popular. Which is another reason why I wish Spoony would’ve left this one alone. I’ve been watching his work long enough to know that’s not how he is. But new viewers will see this video and immediately think “He’s just someone who hates ANYTHING that’s popular”, and won’t bother to watch anything else he’s done. And that’s really sad, because Spoony actually does good work. His videos are entertaining, and well worth watching. Yet if this video is the first thing you see from him, you definitely won’t get that impression at all.
What it all boils down to is this video is doing more damage than good. It makes Spoony look like like something he isn’t, and has the strong possibility of dissuading new viewers. Which isn’t fair to Spoony or the Experiment in general. Basically, this one should’ve just been left on the chopping block. Sometimes it’s better to just leave it alone. There’s a reason you wouldn’t see a video like this from James Rolfe. And it shouldn’t be here. It won’t make me any less of a fan of Noah or The Experiment, but it definitely doesn’t do either of them any good either.
First of all, excellent short Spoon, Made me laugh hard, similar to the “Review like a pirate” miniseries :)
I never understood the general HALO hype. In its conceptual stages (before the idea of MC was introduced in the first game) it had some interesting solutions, like squad-based combat and vehicle physics which were pretty new and flashy at the time.
Then it came out for the XBOX, not the PC and turned to by a typical FPP shooter. Not bad, but not very good either, especially due to the identical level design and the idea of “clear a room of enemies, proceed to the next room, clear it of enemies, proceed to the next room” and so on. It reminded me of run of the mill lightgun games.
Anywho by the time the game gets good (escaping the ship using the jeep), it is over.
Its multi-player wasn’t all that creative either, anybody who played Quake on line would probably agree with me.
The trouble is, it was a console game (I don’t even remember it getting that much of fame on the PCs), which meant a bit different market of people. As far as I remember, that was the first XBOX (and perhaps console?) FPP with decent multi-player combat, hence the unusual popularity. So, this Quake rip-off (multiplayer-wise) got a lot of popularity. Why did it continue to 3 games is beyond me, but I guess we have Microsoft and Bungie to thank for that. The latter have shifted to practically a single “Lets make HALO games forever!” business model, which is kind of sad, remembering Myth: The Fallen Lords for example.
So, HALO was stretched to Halo 2 and then Halo 3. For people who weren’t already catching on that Bungie is about to try and screw them for monies with the Halo franchise, the cliffhanger at the end of H2 should be a pretty good sign ;)
Now came ODST. Next, a Halo RTS. Then, with a revolutionary partnership with EA, The Sims: HALO edition. Then, with titans of the RPG genre, we will get Bioware-Bungies HALO: Doom comes to the galaxy and only YOU and team of sassy aliens can stop it! Finally, My Little Pony: Halo edition.
wow hwalsh really?? i dont understand the hate. what is so bad about making an FPS more accessible? and are you really complaining about realistic weapons in a game set in the 26TH CENTURY?!?! and yeah i agree with spoony but once you add the awesome firefight mode, halo 3s addicting multiplayer with all the DLC maps, and the unique forge mode, i think the $60 price tag is justified. Look at it this way: halo 3 map packs cost ten bucks each. with mythic, legendary and heroic map packs added on to the $30 expansion pack value, well do the math. and if you think I’m an ass hurt fanboy, I WORK AT INFINITY WARD!
Halo revolutionized console-FPS gaming and pretty much kept the original Xbox afloat by itself.
That being said, the games aren’t very good. I mean, yeah, they can be entertaining, but the game design is mediocre and it didn’t bring anything new to the genre. To this day they haven’t gotten multiplayer quite right in any installment and, yes, all of the installments are same-y. I knew what this 5-sec video would be like before I even hit Play.
I know taste is subjective, and there are a lot of people out there who like Halo. I’m just stating that it’s not really an exceptional series in terms of design + relative to other games of the genre, which I don’t think is too far-fetched.
HWalsh, you hit it on the head. Halo did ruin fps for the most part. fps games were hard and long. I have in mind games like Half Life 1 – Shogo – Quake and many more. The fact that halo tries to be up there with the big boys makes me lol. It does not even compare to those oldschool pc games. Back in the day pc gamers had the monopoly on fps, and then came halo, the noob stick rip off. gaining legions of noobs jocks and lames, while the real hardcore gamers were owning. dude compare AVP2 to halo. Why do people even like this stupid game. The story never changes, the design sucks, ugh anyways I’m at a loss for words…..Halo is Dumb
I do agree with you HWalsh, the game did ruin the genre quite a bit, but I did enjoy them as diversionary, with a somewhat original story (missing from alot of games.) I think the 5 second video could have been better if Spoony took the Halo 1 disk, put it in a Halo 3 box, and THEN stuck the “ODST” Label on it.
“It’s just a video game, it entertains people. If Halo is so bad why does every one play it?”
Ah, quality by popular vote. Right.
If Hannah Montana is so bad, why does everybody listen to her music?
its a game, calm down, it focuses on multiplayer wherin people get bonuses for in the campaign, so it is mainly appealling for multiplayer gamers and they are then pulled into the campaign. i agree about inbalanced weapons, and i honestly think combat evolved system of health made more sense, it made it so that if an enemy only got one or two shots in, you didnt regret it the whole time, but it was still a little too forgiving.
Hello, I heard there was some Halo flaming happening.
Well HWalsh you are obviously full of bullshit. Making games harder doesn’t make it better. Battletoads is widely regarded as one of the hardest games of all time (and to be fair was an alright game) but it wasn’t “good”. The levels and co-op mode were horrible and It didn’t bring anyhting new to the side-scrolling beat-em’ up genre. BUT WAIT, people still like it?How is that possible?Oh yes, opinions. The opinions regarding Halo and very varied but the people who actually matter (Big name reviewers, magazines, etc) all generally agree it’s a good game. Now these people are important,more important than you, so there opinion is better; Correct? You see, opinions suck since a person will always defend there own beliefs in anything. So Mr. Spoony you may have your opinions. HWalsh may have his. In my eyes, however, their horrible. But then again that’s just my opinion.
Being popular doesn’t make the Halo games bad, being bland carbon-copies makes the Halo games bad. They’re popular for the same reason Hanna Montana, the Backstreet Boys, and Dr. Phil are. They’re marketed well. That’s it. In any normal world a 5 hour long FPS with no real enhancements from its predecessors would be torn apart by quality critics, but in the world of marketable gaming Halo 3 was lauded as being one of the best games of the decade.
It’s not that they’re particularly BAD, it’s just that they’re exactly mediocre. Nothing about them is exceptional, and yet the industry seems to think that they are the second coming. That’s why there’s so much hate. Because when a game like the Halo series becomes a big name, it produces copies, clones, and rip-offs. It ‘revolutionizes’ the genre, making it so that anyone who thought that Halo 1-3 weren’t anything special now have to deal with year after year of Halo clones rather than anything original or challenging.
“Oh yes, opinions. The opinions regarding Halo and very varied but the people who actually matter (Big name reviewers, magazines, etc) all generally agree it’s a good game. Now these people are important,more important than you, so there opinion is better; Correct?”
Thats got to be the worst logic ever. Just because someone bigger and more important than you says a game is good doesnt make a game good. Its an FPS, Bungie would have to do something pretty stupid to fuck this up, as its probably the safest genre to create a game for.
Personally the biggest problem i have with it, is that they kept the “3″ in the Halo 3 ODST title. Since its set before 3 theres no reason for it to be in the title and is clearly just a way of getting the little kids to buy it.
You didn’t read what he said after that Quietus:
“You see, opinions suck since a person will always defend there own beliefs in anything.”
Way to catch that, lol.
all i can say quake 1= Original halo=GHEYLO
FPS games were never hard. If you though Quake, Half Life or even Doom were hard then you’re doing it wrong.
The Halo series is a good series in my opinion, I enjoy the single player, even if it’s a tad short, and the multiplayer is great, especially with friends.
Everyone is, however, entitled to their opinion. I just don’t like it when you jump on the “LOL GHAYLO SUX CUZ OF MICROSAWFT LULZ” bandwagon. If you have an informed opinion, then I welcome it.
And frankly, why the fuck should you care what other people think of a game, let alone how popular it is? I have a problem with Final Fantasy but I don’t go around saying “LOL FINAL FANTASY IS GAY AND STUPID” on the internet, now do I? Just play what you like, and ignore everyone else. If you don’t like a game ,then don’t buy, that’s the best way to voice your discontent with it.
Matt is among the most reasonable voice(s) here.
Too bad no one other than me will really acknowledge that.
HWalsh, thank you for the good laugh. Next time though, how about before you get some decent credentials before you start serving up that Elite Game Designer crock of shit? You worked on a bargain bin title and teach community college game design? Goddamn I’m talking to Shigeru Fucking Miyamoto here.
I’m sorry but Doom on maximum difficulty is quite hard the enemies have so many advantages its ridiculous.
It’s true, everyone is entitled to their opinion. However, that doesn’t make it any less wrong. If you say that Halo is a good series, I will acknowledge the fact that you’re entitled to your opinion, and then proceed to tell you why you are wrong. Is Halo a decent franchise? No. Was Halo 1 a decent game? Yes. I enjoyed the first one very much so, actually. With each installment, however, I’ve gotten more and more disillusioned with the series, and now I just want Microsoft to stop flogging this proverbial dead horse.
Where one gets his pedigree doesn’t matter when one has credentials to prop it up afterwords. The fact is I am a designer, I did it for a living, I got paid for it. Do you have any idea how much an intellectual property like “My Little Pony” for example is worth? Any clue? Probably not. Lets say, at the time, that property was actually worth as much as Halo due to it’s marketability in the children’s market, which, might I add, is often overlooked by “serious gamers” but the fact is, I did my time, I have my paycheck and yes, I do consider myself an authority on the subject.
They are opinions, but they aren’t baseless. At least I stated WHY my opinions are what they are.
(Oh and by the by, when you rip on Collins, let me remind you that your only other alternatives were UAT, which wasn’t accredited at the time and DigiPen, which I also attended but they are too programming-centric in their design course and are too “Nintendo-geared” in their processes which can clash with other companies.)
The fact is, when it boils down to the end of everything, Halo didn’t accomplish anything. It was well marketed and mediocre. It supported the Xbox but that was about it.
Hard doesn’t make a game good, but challenge does, Halo wasn’t a challenge. Not at all. Seriously, I can beat Halo 3 on Legendary AND get the stupid skulls in less than 5 hours, without a map or a walk-through or being very good at FPS games on a console.
Halo was FPS-lite, and it was INTENDED to be that. It is like a “beginner’s FPS” and it’s popularity wrecked the FPS industry single-handedly.
My points still stand. I am not claiming to be the father of Mario, as you quoted by name, I am claiming to have actual industry experience and logical explanations of WHY Halo blew chunks. Spoony is right, ODST feels like Halo 1 with a shiny sticker on it.
Halo also more or less invented the term, “DLC” which Micro$oft made people pay for. In the past we downloaded mods and maps for free. After the success of Halo and the DLC intended to go along with it, it announced to game publishers that they could charge for those same mods.
So things that started off as simple free mods, like Counter Strike and Team Fortress became full blown games and every time a map pack or major add on comes out, on a console at least, they want you to pay for something that probably took a professional team maybe two days.
Look, guys, opinions matter in the gaming industry because opinions shape industry trends. When a series becomes popular, it influences other game developers and publishers into developing similar games, because popular often equates to profitable.
This is why people get so upset with games like Halo. A game is marketed and hyped well, critics who may or may not be influenced by the publisher throw accolades at its feet, fans buy the game, and a trend is set. This essentially means that the FPS genre will follow Halo’s design for years to come.
And if ODST is successful, it means that developers and publishers will release glorified mission packs with barely 4 hours of content at full price. And you wonder why people get upset with Halo fans?
It’s not just about opinions, its about the health of the industry as a whole.
Halo only ‘revolutionized’ gaming by making every console FPS after it involve robots and stupid fucking aliens that apparently believed that this ringworld would provide salvation without even looking into it first and finding out that it would actually kill everything. Oh, and it also had grey steel corridors with nothing in them. The storyline was virtually- scratch that, COMPLETELY- non-existent, the people who play it are about as stupid a bunch as you can get, and most of all, it ruined gaming.
lol It never ceases to amaze me at the hate popularity can garner, whether its justified or not. Rash generalizations like this peach from post 324 somerandomdrewpickles: “the people who play it are about as stupid a bunch as you can get, and most of all, it ruined gaming.”
Wow, so anyone who enjoys playing Halo for any reason shares the same level of stupidity as Creationists? I never would have guessed that a game had any bearing on intelligence whatsoever.
Elitist mentality like post 301 from HWalshy: “HWalsh isn’t only a game design teacher, he is also a game designer, and back in the 1990’s he was also a major competitor in the Nintendo World Powerfest finals in San Diego as well as tons of other stuff… HWalsh knows games.”
So…you competed in a video game tournament almost 20 years ago? You didn’t even place apparently, just competed. Wow. I’m impressed. /sarcasm
post 323 from AcacianLeaves: “This is why people get so upset with games like Halo. A game is marketed and hyped well, critics who may or may not be influenced by the publisher throw accolades at its feet, fans buy the game, and a trend is set. This essentially means that the FPS genre will follow Halo’s design for years to come.”
While its true companies may try to copy Halos design hoping it leads to their own success, its not really guaranteed to work. When Mario brought platformers into full swing many companies tried to copy its design. While there are some cases of success like McKids, the majority of those copycats fell into obscurity. Now, Halo has been around for sometime, and I’m not big on FPS’s but it seems to me that if there were any copycats they haven’t done that well or they’d be more widely recognized. If companies truly wanted success in the FPS genre they’d fill their own niche that Halo was overlooking.
I lol at those who say Halo is a mediocre FPS, because in total truth, ALL first person shooters are relatively the same, with minor variations in gameplay and weapons. Its literally one of the easiest game types to design. Oh and bitching about a lack of story in a FPS is like bitching about a lack of story in side scrolling platformers. The only reason people play a FPS is to shoot something. I’ve never bought a FPS with the assumption that the story would be anything worth paying attention to and I never will.
I swear you people act like the gaming industry didn’t lose its roots to hardcore gamers when multi-platform games arrived. As it always does when it comes to opinions, it boils down to this; You dont like the series? Don’t buy their games. If enough people don’t buy the game, the series dies out. Just don’t kid yourself into actually thinking that your negative opinions about something are supposed to sway those who do like the game into hating it. It’s not. All it really does it make you seem like an asshole for imposing your opinions on others.
@325: “All first person shooters are the same with minor differences” is just another way of saying “Yeah I know it’s derivative, but everything is.”
Deus Ex is the same as Halo, then? System Shock 2? Pathologic? Rainbow Six? Half-Life? ALL the same as Halo? Don’t get me wrong, I like Halo, but objectively speaking, it SUCKS. HARD.
Now look what you’ve done, Spoony. Everyone’s raging about whether Halo sucks or not.
It’s just a frigging game and Spoony made a video with his opinion in it. Get over it.
“It has no place on a site like the Spoony Experiment. I don’t see Spoony as someone who needs to waist time on brand new games. Especially games that aren’t that bad. ”
have you ever read the banner of the site?
“Well HWalsh you are obviously full of bullshit. Making games harder doesn’t make it better. Battletoads is widely regarded as one of the hardest games of all time (and to be fair was an alright game) but it wasn’t “good”. The levels and co-op mode were horrible and It didn’t bring anyhting new to the side-scrolling beat-em’ up genre. BUT WAIT, people still like it?How is that possible?Oh yes, opinions. ”
Battletoads was a NES game a NES N!E!S! GAME! it was in the younger states of gaming improvement, it along with Mario are classics.
Halo on the other hand is a X-box game, a new generation game, you can’t even compare the two, you may think that by this time they would know how to make something different.
What will be next are you gonna compare it to pac man sayign that pac man was a very basic game?
Dude, Halo is one of the simplest and market hyped games around. You might as well compare it to an Uwe Boll movie. Halo is there only for the market, some nerds found Halo 1 “enjoyable” fapping to Cortana and started this stupid STUPID trend. I’d rather see Half Life 3, at least Half Life 2 Episode 2 ended up with a blast that made you wet yourself at the awesomeness of it. Halo 3 was like “I’ll be back” *enters a cryogenic chamber and ices himself* THE END
Stupid, just stupid…The game that is.
What the hell are we even going on about this time? Oh, right. Halo. Sorry if all these arguments just run together for me. They usually amount to the same shlock.
So, here’s an obligatory response. Why? Because – like most of you, I’m betting – I’ve got about ten minutes to spare, an opinion, and nothing better to do.
Do you like Halo? Fine. Like it for all it’s worth. If you really like it, then it shouldn’t matter what other people say about it. Their criticism isn’t going to change your experience of the game, so why bother arguing about it? It’s not like someone saying “Halo is bad” instantly prevents enjoyment.
Do you hate Halo? Fine. Hate it like it was a plague. Just a question though: is it absolutely necessary that everyone in the world hate the game as much as you do? Is your opinion and hatred so stuttering that any opposition causes you to question yourself? You don’t have to go around proving to everyone that you’re right like it was a grand crusade.
To both parties: Stop wasting your time trying to convince everyone that your side is right. You’ll never get it to happen.
I like you spoony, i liked your video.
and wow i laugh at all those comments, i like you people you bring me much joy =^_^=
well, for newcomers of the series, i guess ODST is where they would start, with all the maps for muilti and firefite and scuh, . and now, halo3 is probably dropping in price. so this is really all marketing. im sure bungie tried to make it better, but i still find it alittle… meh. ima stick with my ps3
It’s important to note that the top two sellers in gaming history (that are not Mario games) are Halo 2 and Halo 3. New FPS games that are heavily hyped are called “Halo Killers”. You cannot deny the impact Halo has had on the industry, and not all of it has been good.
Some awful trends started by the Halo series:
Automatically regenerating health bars
The lack of realistic violence, as in “ragdoll” physics replacing actual wounds
“low impact” guns (pew pew), guns that look like plastic squirt toys
Criminally short single player campaigns
No boss battles! :(
All of these trends have been replicated in Shooters in the last 8 or so years. T
hat being said, Halo wasn’t all bad. Like I said above, the good points balance out the bad making it a pretty mediocre title. The problem is that all the good points occurred in the design for Halo’s multiplayer. Any shooter fan that was never really interested in multiplayer is out of luck for the most part, as many shooters are (like Halo) now designed entirely around multiplayer. Don’t get me wrong, Halo’s multiplayer is and has always been fantastic. But to me, multiplayer is akin to community created content. I pay full price for a whole gaming experience that I can sit down and unwind with. Multiplayer usually INCREASES my stress level (especially with Xbox Live and Halo).
Sorry for multi-posting rants, but I’ve never actually discussed Halo to any extent with the series fans. I guess I’ve been lucky like that.
Let’s get on a more serious topic. The music in this video.. what is it from? No, not the Aerosmith part.. the cheesier sounding bits before it. It sounds like a Monkey Island remix of Snake Man’s level from Mega Man 3.. but I can’t be certain.
It’s a remix of the snake man song
“It’s important to note that the top two sellers in gaming history (that are not Mario games) are Halo 2 and Halo 3.”
Come again? Halo 3 isn’t in the Top 10 best selling video games of all time even excluding the Mario games, far worse case for Halo 2.
Sorry, I meant to specify that I was referring to the top sellers in console gaming history.
Bah! I had a bad source that was excluding Sony systems, my mistake. I know its not relevant to the Halo discussion necessarily (although note that Halo 3 and Halo 2 are still on the list), but its interesting nonetheless. The actual list of top 10 console games as best as I can figure it (remember, excluding Mario titles):
1. GTA San Andreas
2. Gran Turismo 3: A-Spec
3. Gran Turismo
4. Gran Turismo 4
5. Halo 3
6. GTA Vice City
7. Final Fantasy VII
8. Gran Turismo 2
9. Halo 2
10. GoldenEye 007
You know what else is interesting? The top seller for the PS3 is the Gran Turismo 5 Prologue. Holy testicles, who’s buying all these Gran Turismo games?
First of all Juan, the banner changes. Second of all, I think you need to really understand what Spoony has been all about since he started. He normally reviews older, more obscure, video games. Video games that came out during his, and my, childhood. And early disc based PC games like Phantasmagoria, Ripper, Star Trek Borg, etc. It’s not in Noah’s normal range to be reviewing brand new games. I realize that he has been doing more of it lately, but that was my point. He shouldn’t be. It takes him out of being something unique and worth watching, and put hims right in the same place with all the other game reviewers out there. Leave the brand new games to IGN, Gametrailers, Gamespot, and the lot. Stick to doing what we all love from you Spoony. Be unique. Dance with the girl that got you to the dance.
wow, lots of flame going on here. i won’t say that halo is bad (although i am not a fan), but you have to admit that the series is starting to show its age a little. the formula is getting stale, and if bungee knows what its doing, it’ll branch out some more (the RTS game for example). I just find the main series kinda boring. besides, my stupid roommate and suitemates ruined any chance for redemption from the series by playing it *all the time.* so there is hate on my end, but not in the typical way.
btw, i thought the review was brilliant. if bungee is going to release a new game, try something a little different next time :)
if you did read the previous banner (the oen previous to the server change) it said at the end ” and modern abominations of gaming that plague the Playstation, XBox, and Wii” I don’t see why he has to stick just to review old things, its not like he is 50 o something, is good to see what he thinks of new awful shit
He reviews new games for the same reason he reviews new movies and unrelated things like D&D. Because we, the fans, are interested in his opinion on all things in the entertainment industry.
Besides this is hardly a review. It probably took him a total of 5 minutes to put together. What a silly thing to flame him for.
I rented the game (someone at my local Blockbuster had rented it on the first day and already brought it back). My first impression that I was utterly underwhelmed. I had been playing the new Wolfenstein the week before and definitely enjoyed the more, even though it was pretty damned easy. I don’t play Halo online so the multiplayer disk meant nothing to me and I have a hard time believing anyone would be satisfied with a bunch of maps for 60 bucks. Maps used to be free, but whatever. Anyway, in the end you simply move too damn slow for me to take the game seriously. Also, for the most part it was the same enemies and the same weapons (which I find to be boring and not fun to shoot) and a weak story that obviously ripped Modern Combat off as far as the presentation goes. Blah.
I wish Bungie would go back to making original products. I won’t begrudge Halo its popularity; it was essentially the next-gen Goldeneye when it came out on the original Xbox and a lot of people have very positive memories associated with it. In many ways it opened the multiplayer FPS up to the console crowd, and that’s fine and cool and whatever. I just wish the Bungie could do something new. Like, totally new. Like when Blizzard went from RTS’s to an MMORPG. The potential is there for Bungie to make something cool (I remember you, Myth I and II!), and it’s sad to see them keep recycling the same game over and over.
Sorry, but in my opinion, the only decent thing to come from the Halo series is RVB.
Freelancers forever. ;)
Brilliant. F#*king brilliant.
That was my point though Juan. You’re missing the point. That’s not what the site started for. That’s not anything unique. It’s not giving the fans anything we couldn’t get anywhere else. That should be Spoony’s ultimate point with any video he creates. To be different and give us something we couldn’t get anywhere else. This video just wasn’t that. If we wanted to see Halo flame, there are a million other places we could go. We don’t come to the Spoony Experiment for that. We come here for things like “Let’s Play Phantasmagoria”, “Let’s riff on Ripper”, etc. Things that are uniquely Spoony. Not things that are just typical bitchy reviews. Spoony has been awesome since he started for that exact reason. He’s not doing the same thing everyone else is doing. And whenever he does it’s not a good thing. Not for the site, and not for the fans.
Nice. By the way, Spoony isn’t necessarily “hating” the halo series with this review, so to speak. He’s just saying Halo 3:ODST is same shit, different box, new release price.
shouldn’t Spoony’s ultimate point when makign a video is having fun andmakign somethign funny?
and “That’s not what the site started for” it started with text reviews of old and mdoern movies,and how “unique” is reviewing only old things? doign only old thigns wouldn’t be “Unique” as it is what the internet is made of, reviews about old things, sticking to old shit would just land on the fields of boring and repetitive, SPoony doesn’t have any kind of obligation with this site, he can do whatever the fuck he wants is his site and its free entertaiment don’t get all snob with this.
Damn right Spoony! All you Halo fans can shut the fuck up! Halo is nothing more than an over-hyped FPS, it brings nothing new to the table, like pretty much all recent FPSs.
I’ve never understood what attracts the hordes of mindless testosterone filled idiots to play games like HALO, I don’t mind FFP, I just can’t grasp the concept of HALO
Halo is bland.
Also it feels like you’re on the moon and running thru treacle.
“Automatically regenerating health bars
The lack of realistic violence, as in “ragdoll” physics replacing actual wounds
“low impact” guns (pew pew), guns that look like plastic squirt toys
Criminally short single player campaigns
No boss battles! :(”
While I somewhat agree with regenerating health bars being a negative in the FPS genre, I like it for Halo since its supposed to be character specific. The ODST don’t regenerate the same way Master Chief does.
Considering Master Chief in encased in a suit of armor, I wouldn’t expect to see many wounds rendered onto his skin.
Each gun has its own use, and if you don’t know their uses their effectiveness downgrades. Every FPS has guns that are better or worse in certain situations.
Halo hasn’t been about single player action for a long time. If you buy a Halo game, you better be planing to play it online. The campaign is really nothing more but a tool in which the story is conveyed, not where your gameplay hours are going to be spent.
Ummm, Scarabs? They make for pretty interesting boss battles. I know I always enjoy taking them on.
Oh and your list is also wrong. Heres the one I have.
1. Wii Play (Wii – 22.98 million)
2. Nintendogs (DS – 22.27 million, all five versions combined)
3. Wii Fit (Wii – 21.82 million)
4. Pokémon Red, Blue, and Green (Game Boy – 20.08 million approximately: 10.23 million in Japan, 9.85 million in US)
5. New Super Mario Bros. (DS – 18.45 million)
6. Super Mario Bros. 3 (NES – 18 million)
7. Brain Age: Train Your Brain in Minutes a Day! (DS – 17.41 million)
8. Mario Kart Wii (Wii – 17.39 million)
9. Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas (PS2 – 17.33 million)
10. Pokémon Diamond and Pearl (DS – 16.81 million)
11. Gran Turismo 3: A-Spec (PS2 – 14.89 million shipped)
12. Mario Kart DS (DS – 14.61 million)
13. Pokémon Gold and Silver (Game Boy Color – 14.51 million approximately: 7.6 million in US, 6.91 million in Japan)
14. Super Mario Land (Game Boy – 14 million)
15. Brain Age 2: More Training in Minutes a Day! (DS – 13.71 million)
16. Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire (GBA – 13 million)
17. Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen (GBA – 11.82 million)
18. Super Mario 64 (N64 – 11 million)
19. Gran Turismo (PS1 – 10.85 million)
20. Animal Crossing: Wild World (DS – 10.79 million)
If you’ll notice, Pokemon appears on the list the most, and if anything they’re the ones who know how to repackage an old game and sell it again to the masses. Halo doesn’t even make this list.
Halo 3 has only sold 10.18 million. Thats not even enough for last place on the top 20. Even if you aren’t including Handhelds, your list is missing a lot of games that sold better than any Halo. Its obviously not that bit a monster in the gaming industry.
somedrewpickles wrote: “Deus Ex is the same as Halo, then? System Shock 2? Pathologic? Rainbow Six? Half-Life? ALL the same as Halo? Don’t get me wrong, I like Halo, but objectively speaking, it SUCKS. HARD.”
Oh you like Halo? Well you must be in league with the “stupidest group of people around”. Also, you’re misquoting me. I said FPShooters are generally the same except when it comes to guns and gameplay. Some games like Halo will let you Rambo your way through, while others like CoD require a more reserved style of play.
All the games suck. Hands down, lets all stop complaining and watch Spoony’s awesome videos :)
Looks like your not the only one who reached this conclusion, Spoony:
I’ve never played any of the Halo games, I’m afraid, as I don’t own an advanced-enough PC. Still, I do have my eye on a few decent games once I beef up my computer to the modern standard, and may look into ODST.
Just in case anyone is interested, I composed an ‘Indigo Prophecy in 5 Seconds’ video for my YouTube channel.
You can find it using this link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Shaz9UZ1UUw
I do hope you will enjoy it.
Honestly I think you could do this as a review of pretty much all the Halo games. each one is basically the previous ones with a couple more (mostly unnoticed or unneccessary) bells and whistles. I have made my peace with Halo and have even grown to enjoy it over the years (mostly due to the deathmatches with friends) but really, they are all pretty much the same. I think they are overrated. not to say they are bad, exactly. not at all. but they are so not “THE GREATEST GAMES OF AAAAALLLLL TIIIIIIIIME!!!!!!!!!!!!” that so many people make them out to be. I think the super hyping hurt it with me more than helped, i was already sick of hearing the world “halo” by the time i put the disc in for the very first time. and I don’t really see why the chief has been added to the pantheon of greatest VG characters of all time. yeah he’s been in four games (maybe five i haven’t played this or the strategy game one, but i think he is…could be an idiot, feel free to correct me), a shitload of novels and comics and now an animated (and maybe a live action) film, but at the end of the day he’s just a clone of solid snake in a cool hat, gravelly voice and all. in a lot of ways he reminds me of boba fett. his popularity seems a little undeserved. it’s nothing he’s done himself that makes me dislike him as a character, actually he’s pretty cool, i just don’t understand all the wierdos who write reams of fan fiction about him wearing their special addition halo3 plastic helmet that literally will engage in flame wars (or even physical ones) on a more epic scale than the ACTUAL war with the covenant if you even suggest chief is not “teh shiznit”…kinda scary.
all in all, halo is good, but it never has been or will be ‘the best” and i really doubt the series has much new ground to tread from here. but then, peanut butter and jelly sandwiches are still pretty popular (and tasty) so that’s not always a bad thing. there is something to be said for the old “if it ain’t broke’ saying. basically i guess, fans of halo will always be happy with the formula, but i think the time of attracting scores of new players has passed, at least until they branch out successfully into other media like film, animation, or tv. which i think they are trying to do, so we’ll find out soon enough i guess
I really like halo, i mean really like all of them alot! But i also think the movie is halerious because making fun of somthing i actually know means i get the joke!
Thank you Zack Dolan.
Halo is overarted, but not bad. Also, you can’t wear the “Special addition” Halo helmet (Ranked #3 on my worst Purchases of all time list). I really don’t understand the hate; I don’t like sports games, but I don’t hate thoes who play them or enjoy them. Halo isn’t even the Best Xbox360 FPS I’ve played, beaten out by the likes of BioShock and Half-Life2.
Honestly, though, stop the hate! Say what you want about the Halo fanatics (Who seem to be absent form this comment thread for the most part) at least they love something. At lot of the haters here sond like bitter misanthropes. That’s not to say that people for whom Halo is the second coming aren’t annoying as fuck too, but I haven’t read many comments like that on this thread.
Bottom line: Halo is not for everybody, just like any game. Play it if you like it (just don’t gush about how great it is), if you don’t, don’t play it. Simple.
It seems as though hating halo has now become cool… As I am a nonconformist, my reply to this video is DAMN YOU TO HELL YOU DIRTY CONFORMER.
HOW DARE YOU SPONNY HALO IZ BESTOR NO SUXOR, U SUX SUXU SUX…OMG…U’R NOOB AND SUXOR IN HALO DATS WHY YOU HATE OSDT…ROFLCOPTERSBBQ
VERYONE LUVS HALO AND SUX IDZ COCK WHY DON’T YOU WHY? YOU SUK SUK SUK SUK SUK…..GREEAOEWKEFJOESEKJFE
You know, typing this up I’m trying to make it sound as retarded and annoying as you’d expecting from a Halo fanboi, but you know I still don’t think it measures up to the real thing….what do you think?
As I said in my list, I’m referring to non-Mario console games. Take away handhelds, mario games, and PC games and you’ll have my list.
Hell, if you really want a list that matters in terms of this discussion – make a list of the top selling FPS games of all time. Halo takes up three of the top 5 spots.
Halo’s a pretty good series, I mean, sure, It suffers from “Modern Xbox FPS Syndrome” in which it focuses way too much on the multiplayer. Sure they fucked up the matchmaking in Halo 2. sure, It’s multiplayer is repetitive, bland and filled with 11 year olds screaming Racial Slurs into the microphone to act “cool”. sure, it may seem that they dont change anything in all four of the games, But if it aint broke why fix it, eh? Or, As Bungie might put it, If it aint broke, why not just add loads of bloom, advance the plot that no one cares about, dump loads of product placement onto every product you can find (Anyone remember Halo 3 Gatorade?) Give it retarded new features that no one uses (See: The Forge) and then, in your third game, Give it a theatre system for 11 year olds to make Machinima even worse than the ones on the site itself.
BTW, When I heard about Halo 3 selling over 1 billion copies worldwide, I died a little inside.
Can use a phoenix down on that dead part inside. Halo 3 has about 17million sales. The 1 billion+ number refers to the number of online matches that have been played. (1 billion sales would would mean that every person who owns a 360 has about 22 copies of halo 3… though I’m sure there’s a few people who have tiled their walls with copies of the game.
herpadurp HATING HALO IS COOL
Now that’s not very fair.
the Firefight gametype is very different, quite enjoyable, and I’ve gotten hours and hours of enjoyment out of it.
yeah, truthfully i’m just waiting for Halo: warthog racers
i was so pissed off at odst like i went in and bought it knowing nothing i thought there world be new weapons and things like that but i was let down not worth my money and i am an angry gomer over that
“1. Wii Play (Wii – 22.98 million)
2. Nintendogs (DS – 22.27 million, all five versions combined)
3. Wii Fit (Wii – 21.82 million)
4. Pokémon Red, Blue, and Green (Game Boy – 20.08 million approximately: 10.23 million in Japan, 9.85 million in US)
5. New Super Mario Bros. (DS – 18.45 million)
6. Super Mario Bros. 3 (NES – 18 million)
7. Brain Age: Train Your Brain in Minutes a Day! (DS – 17.41 million)
8. Mario Kart Wii (Wii – 17.39 million)
9. Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas (PS2 – 17.33 million)
10. Pokémon Diamond and Pearl (DS – 16.81 million)
11. Gran Turismo 3: A-Spec (PS2 – 14.89 million shipped)
12. Mario Kart DS (DS – 14.61 million)
13. Pokémon Gold and Silver (Game Boy Color – 14.51 million approximately: 7.6 million in US, 6.91 million in Japan)
14. Super Mario Land (Game Boy – 14 million)
15. Brain Age 2: More Training in Minutes a Day! (DS – 13.71 million)
16. Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire (GBA – 13 million)
17. Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen (GBA – 11.82 million)
18. Super Mario 64 (N64 – 11 million)
19. Gran Turismo (PS1 – 10.85 million)
20. Animal Crossing: Wild World (DS – 10.79 million)”
At least Pokemon has the decency to add new shit to their products with new Pokemon a fun/long story where you won’t be bored most of the time and it has a fun multiplayer. Games should focus on Single player first and then multiplayer second. For like ten online modes that last 10 minutes each you spend $50 each, maybe $10 for single player if your lucky, and $50 bucks for online a year. Does not sound worth it.
I think a real Halo fanboy is worse.
im gonna use that joke. thank you spoony one.
A real Halo fanboy would have more words spelled wrong.
The only reason ODST was released as a disc game and not a DLC was because Microsoft, being the money grubbing assholes that they are, told Bungie to release ODST as a disc game for fifty buchs instead of a twenty or so dollar DLC. Bungie had originally intended for ODST to be a campaign add-on for Halo 3.
Yea,ODST wasnt great…at all,I guess you could say the beta was part of the 60 bucks,but again thats a poor excuse like the second disc containing the same multiplayer.I will say this though,had ODST been a full campaign,it would have been better than Halo 3's campaign bye far,it also needed was a competative multiplayer,not just firefight.
Oh God,somebody call the whambulance…
I didnt think that much of ODST either, the one argument that came out of it that i thought was really retarted was the who would win in a fight, the spartan, or ODST? uh, who the fuck cares, and to answer your question the fucking Spartan! It takes a squad of ODST's to fight the covanant, but the Chief can take down an entire armada! end of argument. i beat this game in one sitting too, that cant be good for a $60 dollar game either.
I didnt think that much of ODST either, the one argument that came out of it that i thought was really retarted was the who would win in a fight, the spartan, or ODST? uh, who the fuck cares, and to answer your question the fucking Spartan! It takes a squad of ODST’s to fight the covanant, but the Chief can take down an entire armada! end of argument.
i beat this game in one sitting too, that cant be good for a $60 dollar game either.
I guess you the fuck cares.
Halo has always left me with a bad taste in my mouth.
I’m a big Halo fan and I thought this was pretty funny.
People need to learn to chill.
I F#@King HATE Commercials , especially when there longer than the actual clip you want to watch.
I mean how retarded is that!!!!
Yuuup. That’s about it.
Yeah, Bungie originally intended for ODST to be released with a much lower price, but Microsoft overruled their decision. In any case, it’s more or an expansion than an actual game all its own; and I did enjoy it, but the price still pissed me off.
Very clever. I was thinking a good 5 seconder would be of a young kid spewing verbal diarrhea over chat in multiplayer.
honestly ODST was just a mini campaign priced as a full length game and I agree with this game being a 60 dollar mission pack
SO true :)