Ultima 5: Warriors of Destiny

The Spoony One | Sep 19 2010 | more notation(s) | 

Lord British goes adventuring and leaves his most trusted advisor Lord Blackthorn to sit the throne in his absence. What could possibly go wrong?

  • Anonymous

    SPOONY!!!!

  • Anonymous

    I hear… WILD ARMS!

    Oh Goodness… oh how sweet it is to my ear… oh how wonderful… Oh, right, Spoony’s talking, gotta pay attention and try not to be snared in by that wonderful whistling.

  • PhoCarrot

    New video! Apparently I have good timing!
    I feel like I kind of missed out never having played these games. I mean, having them kill all your companions in front of you is pretty hardcore. Or I’m a pansy. Either or. But they look like they were a lot of fun.

    ( And yay! Old intro! :D )

  • http://www.facebook.com/Mrsuperduck Michael Conner

    What was that clip from where the kid parents blew up?

    • Anonymous

      It is a hilarious movie called time Bandits. Full of Short folk and it is funny and the ending is very Funny.

      Jolly Skull

      • Anonymous

        And it has Shaun Connery.

    • Anonymous

      It is a hilarious movie called time Bandits. Full of Short folk and it is funny and the ending is very Funny.

      Jolly Skull

    • Anonymous

      It is a hilarious movie called time Bandits. Full of Short folk and it is funny and the ending is very Funny.

      Jolly Skull

    • Anonymous

      It is a hilarious movie called time Bandits. Full of Short folk and it is funny and the ending is very Funny.

      Jolly Skull

  • Anonymous

    Wow cool you went back to old opening. Zelda she frightened me. I love this review in fact you convinced me to get he collection edition of Ultima. Thank you for showing me old pc games that I missed out on because I was to young.

    Jolly Skull

  • Anonymous

    Wow cool you went back to old opening. Zelda she frightened me. I love this review in fact you convinced me to get he collection edition of Ultima. Thank you for showing me old pc games that I missed out on because I was to young.

    Jolly Skull

  • Anonymous

    Wow cool you went back to old opening. Zelda she frightened me. I love this review in fact you convinced me to get he collection edition of Ultima. Thank you for showing me old pc games that I missed out on because I was to young.

    Jolly Skull

  • Anonymous

    Wow cool you went back to old opening. Zelda she frightened me. I love this review in fact you convinced me to get he collection edition of Ultima. Thank you for showing me old pc games that I missed out on because I was to young.

    Jolly Skull

  • Anonymous

    FUN FACT:

    Have you ever played the first Dungeon Keeper game? Guess who the final boss was? THE AVATAR!!

  • Anonymous

    FUN FACT:

    Have you ever played the first Dungeon Keeper game? Guess who the final boss was? THE AVATAR!!

  • Anonymous

    FUN FACT:

    Have you ever played the first Dungeon Keeper game? Guess who the final boss was? THE AVATAR!!

  • Anonymous

    I remember this game being damn hard. Try to rest and recover health and BAM! 20 bats attack you.

    • Anonymous

      Isn’t that just like life though?

  • Anonymous

    Oh yeah, thanks for the retrospective. I really enjoy hearing what you think of the series.

  • Anonymous

    Oh yeah, thanks for the retrospective. I really enjoy hearing what you think of the series.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Harrison-Millner/100000631565411 Harrison Millner

    You know, I’ve never been much of a gamer and RPG’s were always my least favorite but this particular one seems epic as fuck. I might have to check it out. Also, I could seriously see this being a really good book and/or movie-if it was done correctly. The plot is so much more involving than most fantasy/sci-fi movies I’ve seen. Long and short: Great review, SpoonyOne.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Harrison-Millner/100000631565411 Harrison Millner

    You know, I’ve never been much of a gamer and RPG’s were always my least favorite but this particular one seems epic as fuck. I might have to check it out. Also, I could seriously see this being a really good book and/or movie-if it was done correctly. The plot is so much more involving than most fantasy/sci-fi movies I’ve seen. Long and short: Great review, SpoonyOne.

  • http://www.facebook.com/rodrigo.ibarra3 Rodrigo Ibarra

    Never saw those games. Sound pretty interesting. Nice video. And I do agree. Virtue is its own reward.

  • http://www.facebook.com/rodrigo.ibarra3 Rodrigo Ibarra

    Never saw those games. Sound pretty interesting. Nice video. And I do agree. Virtue is its own reward.

  • http://www.facebook.com/rodrigo.ibarra3 Rodrigo Ibarra

    Never saw those games. Sound pretty interesting. Nice video. And I do agree. Virtue is its own reward.

  • http://www.facebook.com/tjmac510 Travis McCollum

    This was awesome as always. I love that your doing this retrospective because it gives me such fond memories of games that I loved growing up, Ahh memories.

    • http://www.facebook.com/tjmac510 Travis McCollum

      And I like the old school Spoony intro as well…wow I can’t believe I can say that…but yeah I love the old school intro.

    • http://www.facebook.com/tjmac510 Travis McCollum

      And I like the old school Spoony intro as well…wow I can’t believe I can say that…but yeah I love the old school intro.

  • http://www.facebook.com/tjmac510 Travis McCollum

    This was awesome as always. I love that your doing this retrospective because it gives me such fond memories of games that I loved growing up, Ahh memories.

  • Anonymous

    Fuck you Spoony! Now I have to go play Wild Arms again :)

  • Anonymous

    Fuck you Spoony! Now I have to go play Wild Arms again :)

  • http://twitter.com/Merc1987 Hal Jones

    Hey cool choice of music. Wild Arms Rocks!

  • Anonymous

    Back to play Wild ARMS I go… DAMN YOU SPOONY!

  • Anonymous

    Back to play Wild ARMS I go… DAMN YOU SPOONY!

  • Anonymous

    Oh, Hell yes. I loved the Manowar there at the end. Awesome credit music and another good episode in your Ultima series.

  • Anonymous

    Oh, Hell yes. I loved the Manowar there at the end. Awesome credit music and another good episode in your Ultima series.

  • http://twitter.com/MrNamefag Ashely Lutz

    I like your responses to him.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jarkko-Naas/658118349 Jarkko Nääs

    U5 was one of the first RPGs I ever played, and being therefore rather noobish, I spent years on and off playing it and only ever managed to get the Shard of Cowardice. Great game, fantastic atmosphere! Oh, and the map of Britannia printed on cloth that came with the package was awesome!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jarkko-Naas/658118349 Jarkko Nääs

    U5 was one of the first RPGs I ever played, and being therefore rather noobish, I spent years on and off playing it and only ever managed to get the Shard of Cowardice. Great game, fantastic atmosphere! Oh, and the map of Britannia printed on cloth that came with the package was awesome!

  • http://jonasgomedia.blogspot.com/ JonasGoMedia

    Manowar!!!

  • http://jonasgomedia.blogspot.com/ JonasGoMedia

    Manowar!!!

  • http://jonasgomedia.blogspot.com/ JonasGoMedia

    Manowar!!!

  • http://jonasgomedia.blogspot.com/ JonasGoMedia

    Manowar!!!

  • http://jonasgomedia.blogspot.com/ JonasGoMedia

    Manowar!!!

  • http://jonasgomedia.blogspot.com/ JonasGoMedia

    Manowar!!!

  • Anonymous

    Ahhha Soony seems like I heard some NO MORE HEROES music in here. kind of weird music to pit in here dipite it’s awsomnes.

  • Anonymous

    No More Heroes music? Awesome!

    Anyway, I’d say this is one of your greatest videos yet Spoony. I’m definitely gonna have to try and play this sometime.

  • http://www.google.com/profiles/LordKarnov42 LordKarnov42

    Lord British didn’t disappear into the Stygian Abyss, he had his wizards raise the Shrine of the Codex out of the Abyss to the surface, opening up an entrance to a massive underground complex filled with strange creatures and so forth. Lord British led and vanished with an expedition into the underground [which runs underneath all of Britannia, you can enter it from every dungeon]. The whole underground and shrine-raising thing will be important in your next review.

    • http://spoonyexperiment.com The Spoony One

      Hrm, yes, you’re right. I thought the Avatar just hauled the book out of the Abyss with him when he went down there in the first place, and LB just decided to do a clean sweep of the place, where he found the Underworld, pissed off the Shadowlords, and vanished. But apparently he went through the dungeon Shame, led a disastrous expedition through the Underworld, and found a new dungeon called Doom– where he got trapped.

      Oh well. I’ll clear it up next time.

      • http://www.google.com/profiles/LordKarnov42 LordKarnov42

        Spoony, one more thing — The emergence of the Shadowlords wasn’t due to Lord British’s expedition. [You didn’t mention this in the review, just your comment] A ship captain named Johne was sucked into a whirlpool with his crew, and ended up in the Underworld. He found the shards there, and upon touching them, went mad and murdered his three surviving shipmates, spawning the Shadowlords who then hid the shards and blah blah etc. etc. Ultima V is in my Top 3 RPGs Ever so excuse the ranting.

        EDIT: Captain Johne’s in the game, but you don’t have to talk to him to win, so he’s easy to miss. I think he’s at the bottom of Dungeon Hythloth at its entrance to the underworld.

        • Anonymous

          You can get to Johne via Despise or by sailing your ship into a whirlpool.

        • Anonymous

          You can get to Johne via Despise or by sailing your ship into a whirlpool.

        • Anonymous

          You can get to Johne via Despise or by sailing your ship into a whirlpool.

    • http://spoonyexperiment.com The Spoony One

      Hrm, yes, you’re right. I thought the Avatar just hauled the book out of the Abyss with him when he went down there in the first place, and LB just decided to do a clean sweep of the place, where he found the Underworld, pissed off the Shadowlords, and vanished. But apparently he went through the dungeon Shame, led a disastrous expedition through the Underworld, and found a new dungeon called Doom– where he got trapped.

      Oh well. I’ll clear it up next time.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jarrod-Eagle/790823078 Jarrod Eagle

    good video, it seems like Ultima 5 is a fantastic game. It seems a shame you don’t seem to like modern RPG’s. I guess the Malevolent Monster/Holy Saint Dichotomy is there but I enjoy the structure. Besides RPG’s without a morality system often seem to support just finding the outcome that gets the most cash instead of roleplaying.

  • Anonymous

    Wild ARMs, eh? Glad to see two great RPGs getting some well-deserved recognition.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/John-Italiano/522497712 John Italiano

    Yeah dancing Yuna is back

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/John-Italiano/522497712 John Italiano

    Yeah dancing Yuna is back

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1186272136 Brendan Morland

    Nostalgia should be a virtue. It gives you a warm fuzzy feeling.
    I cant wait for U6 and U7 (and maybe Savage Empire/Martian Dreams?).

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1186272136 Brendan Morland

    Nostalgia should be a virtue. It gives you a warm fuzzy feeling.
    I cant wait for U6 and U7 (and maybe Savage Empire/Martian Dreams?).

  • http://www.facebook.com/Tiago.guimaraes89 Tiago Guimarães

    Great Video!

    Wild Arms song FTW! :D

  • Anonymous

    Oh man I can’t describe how good it felt listening to Manowar again after a few months’ pause. Gonna start rolling them cd’s now!

  • Anonymous

    Oh man I can’t describe how good it felt listening to Manowar again after a few months’ pause. Gonna start rolling them cd’s now!

  • http://twitter.com/ObiBroBinobi Sami The Great

    This video is a decent review of the game but where’s the humour?
    This vid held in no way the same class as your previous vids Spoony. In my humble non-asskissing view that is. =]

    Good job on the video itself but it was severely lacking in what makes most of your videos good Spoony, which is the sillyness and the over-the-top humour. This review just felt rushed.

    Can’t wait for the Ultima VI review and a review of my favourite Ultima game, Ultima VII!

    • http://spoonyexperiment.com The Spoony One

      Well, these videos are really meant to be informative first, and funny second. This is a great game and there’s not a lot to make fun of. Rest assured, as the games get worse you’ll see some crazy shit.

    • http://spoonyexperiment.com The Spoony One

      Well, these videos are really meant to be informative first, and funny second. This is a great game and there’s not a lot to make fun of. Rest assured, as the games get worse you’ll see some crazy shit.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Doug-Smith/1595632907 Doug Smith

    LAAAAAW!!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Loren-Scott/100000426611541 Loren Scott

    good stuff spoony but i saw a distinct lack of funny in that one. that being said i can’t wait till you get to my only experiance with the ultima series. ultima 9 pagan. often called super avatar brothers and also a giant bag of crap.

  • Anonymous

    Another pathetic piece of tasteless american shit.

    • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/PG5F4OSEWLGOVPEHK44ZWDRI4Y Sean

      Don’t you have anything better to do then just give a baseless compliant?

      Great retro Spoony, you do seem to be leaving out the jokes though more in the last couple ones or not as many of them in comparision.

  • Anonymous

    I tried. I really tried to play these games, starting from Ultima 1. Not my cup of tea.

    • http://spoonyexperiment.com The Spoony One

      I wouldn’t suggest you start with Ultima 1. If you’re interested in these I’d start with 4 or 5.

  • Anonymous

    Wow, a nice change of pace from the already previously awesome reviews…

    I loved the first four because they were funny and informative; but this one is kind of a game changer. It focuses much more on story than gameplay, and offers a (mostly) serious look at how the game takes the notions of morality and nobility and turns them on their head (the notion of actually losing a party member permanently is particularly unsettling). Instead of the runthrough of the battles and tips, I was surprised to see a focus on the end result of a long journey. It was a bit of a shock, but not an unpleasant one. I really liked it!

    Can’t wait to see where you’ll go from here!

    P.S. Did you forget to credit Charlie Clouser’s score from ‘Saw’ in the credits? Or did I just miss that over?

    • http://spoonyexperiment.com The Spoony One

      Agh, dang it! Right again. Good catch.

    • http://spoonyexperiment.com The Spoony One

      Agh, dang it! Right again. Good catch.

  • Anonymous

    The Ultima 4 through Serpent Isle LPs in the LP Archive are so good.
    Just the adventures of a girl named Steve on her quest to become the Avatar and make everybody miserable.
    Except Dupre. Everybody loves Dupre.

  • Anonymous

    The Ultima 4 through Serpent Isle LPs in the LP Archive are so good.
    Just the adventures of a girl named Steve on her quest to become the Avatar and make everybody miserable.
    Except Dupre. Everybody loves Dupre.

  • Anonymous

    Wow, Spoony, a startling change of pace from the previous reviews!

    Personally, I loved this one. While the prior reviews were runthroughs of gameplay and boss battles, this one seemed more focused on story and consequence. The notions of honor and nobility turned on their head must have been at least a little bit of a head-turning notion in gaming; it still kind of is nowadays (sorry, but even as a casual gamer I can’t help but notice that the only advancement in modern gaming morals is an obsession with anti-heroes).

    I really liked the change from the format from the prior reviews (though I loved those too). Sometimes, you just need to toy around with how things are done, and this one shows all the reasons why you would want to do so. The game may be the thing, but in a great RPG, the story can make you forget the difference between the gameplay and the experience of the tale.

    Great job! I’m already eager to see what you come up with next!

    P.S. Did you forget to credit Charlie Clouser’s score for ‘Saw’ in the end, or did I just overlook that? ^^;; Sorry, the soundtrack geek in me had to speak.

  • Anonymous

    Wow, Spoony, a startling change of pace from the previous reviews!

    Personally, I loved this one. While the prior reviews were runthroughs of gameplay and boss battles, this one seemed more focused on story and consequence. The notions of honor and nobility turned on their head must have been at least a little bit of a head-turning notion in gaming; it still kind of is nowadays (sorry, but even as a casual gamer I can’t help but notice that the only advancement in modern gaming morals is an obsession with anti-heroes).

    I really liked the change from the format from the prior reviews (though I loved those too). Sometimes, you just need to toy around with how things are done, and this one shows all the reasons why you would want to do so. The game may be the thing, but in a great RPG, the story can make you forget the difference between the gameplay and the experience of the tale.

    Great job! I’m already eager to see what you come up with next!

    P.S. Did you forget to credit Charlie Clouser’s score for ‘Saw’ in the end, or did I just overlook that? ^^;; Sorry, the soundtrack geek in me had to speak.

  • http://twitter.com/interludeauthor Sean Glenn Driscoll

    Ultima V was the first RPG I ever played. Unfortunately, I was like…seven…when I played it, so I had no idea what I was doing.

    This video convinced me to play it again.

  • Anonymous

    I was interested in the Ultima series for some time now but never came around to really play one so this is a really nice series you got going here Spoony.
    Looking forward to the next one.

  • http://twitter.com/Trencher75 Tom Helge Hennum

    I get Oh noes playback error.
    It acually says Oh noes..
    Good thing the ads work though good job blip…

  • Anonymous

    Good review, yeah it obviously wasn’t as silly but you can clearly see you love this game and…

    I’ve got to say you make it sound ridiculously awesome. Just wondering is there any actual way out of the scene where you are captured and your companions killed off? It would be more impressive if there is but it’s powerful nonetheless.

    If I had any clue as to where to get these games relatively easily and believed they were fun I’d jump on them in a heartbeat for sheer ambition. Old games (in general, we aren’t talking about something simple like Super Mario Bros. here) however hold up least when it comes to the sheer fun factor and bringing that forward in a timely (not long ass) manner in my view. The overall plot sounds pretty awesome too, but you can’t tell how logical or powerful the narrative is until you try it for yourself.

  • Anonymous

    Good review, yeah it obviously wasn’t as silly but you can clearly see you love this game and…

    I’ve got to say you make it sound ridiculously awesome. Just wondering is there any actual way out of the scene where you are captured and your companions killed off? It would be more impressive if there is but it’s powerful nonetheless.

    If I had any clue as to where to get these games relatively easily and believed they were fun I’d jump on them in a heartbeat for sheer ambition. Old games (in general, we aren’t talking about something simple like Super Mario Bros. here) however hold up least when it comes to the sheer fun factor and bringing that forward in a timely (not long ass) manner in my view. The overall plot sounds pretty awesome too, but you can’t tell how logical or powerful the narrative is until you try it for yourself.

  • http://twitter.com/DruidAllanon Rasarik La’Troth

    I also have the playback error…

  • http://twitter.com/DruidAllanon Rasarik La’Troth

    I also have the playback error…

  • http://www.facebook.com/Elihn Annika Meyer

    Yay, the Wild Arms Opening fits perfectly! :D

    Don’t have any problems with the ‘lack of humour’ in this one. It is a great and interesting episode of your Ultima reviews.

  • http://www.facebook.com/Elihn Annika Meyer

    Yay, the Wild Arms Opening fits perfectly! :D

    Don’t have any problems with the ‘lack of humour’ in this one. It is a great and interesting episode of your Ultima reviews.

  • http://twitter.com/Claim_remy Clément Remy

    Hell Yeah, manowar at the end !

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mario-Babic/1642160632 Mario Babić

    lol
    Didn’t expect Mass Effect 2 clip.

  • Anonymous

    great review of a game that I’d love to play but I have way too much on my plate at the moment.

    listening to the plot I couldn’t help but draw parallels to Stalin seizing power in the Soviet Union. Propaganda everywhere, fiercely loyal citizens that turn people in for anything, corrupt guards and torture. The avatar could be Trotsky in a way. If Trotsky wasn’t banished right away and wielded a sword instead of a pen. Oh yeah, Blackthorn would be Stalin if Stalin actually followed the tenants of Marxism instead of corrupting them into something wholly evil and far removed from what Marx or Lenin intended (closer then I thought I suppose)

    • Anonymous

      It was actually a little more complex than that,but that’s a subject for a holy war that I’m not going to start here.

      I’ll just say that for all his supposed faults,Stalin took a complete hellhole of a country,besieged on all sides by the enemy and torn apart by the civil war,made it rise from the ashes TWICE,made a hands-down the greatest contribution to winning the most devastating war in the history of mankind and,at the end,left his country a superpower with a nuclear bomb as bonus. So there’s that.

      • Anonymous

        Stalin is an evil, an absolute evil. He killed more than Hitler and killed any chance of a communist country. Stalin was a thug who stole ideas from Lenin, Trotsky and those around him. There is no one else in history that I despise more than Stalin. Stalin was also Georgian leading Russia and shouting about Russian nationalism which is pretty hilarious given the history between the two countries.

        Stalin did have the years of industrialization which saved the second world war for the Soviets but think of all the generals murdered who could have done the same with much less? The Politburo party members killed because of one man’s irrational fear, the engineers, artists, simple people killed for nothing.

        Also, Trotsky and Lenin were the leaders during the Civil War. Lenin’s firm grip made loyalty certain and Trotsky led the Red Army which won the war for the Bolsheviks.

        sorry, the Revolution, Civil War and World War 2 are my favorite parts of history and I could go on for hours. I’m also one to debate over nothing.

        • Anonymous

          You forgot to add that every morning he personally ate a billion babies. It always amazes me to see how thoroughly Stalin was demonized in the West during the Cold War,even though FDR and Chuchill are guilty of a lot of the same things he’s accused of. I mean,he’s by no means a saint,but fuck. Dr.Goebbels would approve.This really is a topic for a thesis rather than a comments section on a fucking Ultima game,but if it wasn’t for Stalin,the Soviet people would’ve been completely annihilated,and the vast Russian land resources would’ve been pillaged and ravaged by the capitalist opportunists long before the start of WWII. If you read up on the state of economic and social clusterfuck the USSR was in prior to the war,it becomes clear that there was no possible way whatsoever for the country to survive,but he did what was by all accounts impossible. And if his generals wouldn’t stand their ground and defend their country and their people by any means possible,we would probably be speaking German right now. tl;dr desperate times call for desperate measures.

          • Anonymous

            What did FDR or Churchill do that was so evil? Help America rally against the Great Depression, give Britain hope against the German horde bearing down on them?

            I’ve read a few books on the state of the Soviet Union before the war, during and after the war, ‘Ivan’s War’, ‘Stalin’s Folly’, ‘Stalingrad’ etc. Also, Stalin was the one to screw up the Soviet Union, collectivization of the farms was idiotic and killed millions of people and disrupted the peasantry, more so when famine struck.

            Russians would have stood their ground no matter what. Like they always have and always will against invaders. They did it against the Teutonic knights, against the swedes, turks, cossacks etc. It’s in their blood to resist all invaders. Look at the Partisan groups during the German invasion in ’41-’45. They royally messed things up for the Germans with close to no weapons, ammunition or central leadership. There is no way the Germans could have taken the entirety of Russia and policed it thoroughly enough. Look at Napoleonic France and little Spain. The French employed draconian methods of control and incited the Spanish people to resist, the Germans would have surely done the same and Russia is larger then Spain. More places for partisans to hide, more places to group up, larger area for the Germans to police, more men needed to actually police, larger area means more resource lines and in turn more resources to hinder and destroy costing more money to repair each and every hole.

            Oh yeah, I’ve seen more random discussions on more random videos. I enjoy historical discussion, helps me stay on my toes.

          • Anonymous

            >>What did FDR or Churchill do that was so evil?

            I’m glad you asked.

            You should really try asking Indians and Australians about Churchill. They love him over there. He is to blame for the Bengali Holocaust,a massive famine that claimed millions of lives. And that was only one of many cases of British colonial atrocities,because under Churchill,all of the territories under the rule of the Empire were pillaged and sacked as he saw fit. He was a racist and a bigot who openly referred to the non-anglo-saxon subjects of the empire as subhuman,saying that they should,in fact,be grateful that a civilized,advanced European nation is in control of their savage lands. And,in the most emblematic display of his true nature,he masterminded Operation “Unthinkable”, the point of which was to basically let the Soviet Union do most of the dirty work pushing the Nazis back to Berlin,and then bring all the might of the Allied forces,including several captured German divisions,on the battle-weary Red Army. Thankfully,the Soviet push towards Berlin was faster than anyone had anticipated,so the backstabbing fucknugget’s plan never came to fruition.

            FDR? Japanese internment camps. His complete inability to lead the country out of the Great Depression,which only ended after WWII began (the excessive government spending strategy employed at the time was actually very similar to the one America is trying to pull off right now,and failing miserably). And before you speak of Stalin’s collectivization strategy,you should really take a look at the complete and total clusterfuck that was the Dust Bowl famine. Let’s not even count all those people who lost everything they ever knew and had to simply take their surviving family members and go somewhere where there’s a chance there might be food,leaving ghost towns behind. We still don’t know how many millions of people died back then,because the US census bureau simply doesn’t provide the demographic data for those years. Convenient,ain’t it?
            I could go on,but the best part of it all is that FRD is still widely considered to be one of America’s greatest presidents and was reelected three times.

            >> Give Britain hope against the German horde bearing down on them

            Stalin did the same for the Soviet people,but who cares about that,right?

            Oh,and speaking of unneeded sacrifices, it really doesn’t get any more atrocious than senselessly throwing troops wave after wave into the grindhouse of a mad suicide charge up a well-fortified beach covered with machine gun encampments until the enemy runs out of bullets. And yet somehow the D-day invasion gets the misty-eyed Spielberg treatment,while the heroic stands at Moscow and Stalingrad are met with “BUT COULDN’T THEY HAVE SARCIFICED LESS TROOPS HERPA DERP”. Funny how the world works.

            >>Also, Stalin was the one to screw up the Soviet Union, collectivization of the farms was idiotic and killed millions of people and disrupted the peasantry, more so when famine struck.

            Dead wrong. Collectivization was absolutely essential to,you know,not having major cities starve to death. In order to stand a chance in the war that was already looming on the horizon,the USSR would have to become an industrial giant overnight. Industrialization and the war effort would be impossible without a reliable agricultural support. Stalin understood all of that. And because of his foresight,the war was won.

            >>Russians would have stood their ground no matter what.

            You can’t be fucking serious.
            Are you seriously suggesting that Stalin should’ve thrown the battle of Moscow and let the Germans pillage,scorch and rape their way into the heart of the country,because Soviet partisans would’ve eventually defeated the Germans anyway?

            …Wow.

            There is so much wrong with that statement that I don’t even know where to fucking start.

          • Anonymous

            I am indeed fucking serious with that statement. Where did I say anything about the battle of Moscow? Where? I didn’t even mention it; I didn’t mention anything about throwing any battles. Why would any battles be thrown? Oh yeah, because it worked against Napoleon, I didn’t even argue that but, hey, look at that. What killed the Imperial Army? General Winter and sheer size of the Russian Steppes. By the way, Napoleon took Moscow but Russians burned it to the ground nullifying any gain. Way to throw words in my mouth about the whole throwing battles thing (petty insult for a petty insult).

            The Partisans came after the Germans seized territory (most of the early seized territory were areas conquered by the Soviets and those living there treated the Germans as heroes by the way but changed their tune rather quickly). I could argue all day about the absurdity of conquering all of Russia and then policing it. Germany would have been stretched to the breaking point policing such a large area.

            Collectivization killed millions, many were killed to enforce it and many more died of starvation because they couldn’t farm, their neighbors couldn’t farm, their country couldn’t farm. Industrialization helped the Soviet Union become a power but at what cost? The first plan was the collectivization that killed millions, forcing a famine. I refuse to accept any plan that sells one’s soul for a victory (and I know Lenin would tear me apart for that statement, just read ‘Left-Wing Communism, an infantile disorder).

            On the issue of Roosevelt and Churchill,

            Roosevelt instituted agencies, he kept on throwing out ideas that worked and didn’t work. His New Deal worked, people were working again, it didn’t work as fast as new factories with new contracts opening but they did work. The interment of Japanese-Americans was idiotic but it was merely a show of fear at the time. Before you accuse me of accepting the interment of the Japanese and denying the Soviet gulags, the difference between the two is that the Japanese were not murdered left and right unlike the old Bolsheviks, dissidents or what have you in the gulags. FDR is my favorite president because his plans helped people, some didn’t work and he wasn’t perfect but he threw out ideas unlike Hoover who just sat back and declared that the self-regulating economy will fix everything.

            Oh my goodness, an old man who believed in old fashion ideas such as the white man’s burden. Churchill I have do have a problem with (he’d hate my Marxian ideas) but I still think he did what was right by rallying his people to fight the Germans. Yes, Stalin did the same by inspiring the Soviet People only when it became convenient for him. Before the war, Stalin didn’t care about nationalism in any sense. I could argue against myself by saying that Marxists have no country (Stalin was not a Marxist in any sense though) but Stalin did such a 180 turn by suddenly declaring Russian greatness against the Teutonic hordes that it could break one’s neck. He also seemed (and wanted the Russian people) to forget the whole invasion of Poland thing that the Soviets did with Germany and the non-aggression pact. Stalin was also a liar by turning his back on these facts, and Lord help me, my parents raised me not to lie.

            I am a man of principle and refuse to sell my soul to achieve anything; I would never betray Marxism by killing millions of my own people. Again, Lenin (my own personal hero next to Trotsky) would rip me apart for that but it’s what I believe so of course I’d judge others by that same idea. You can judge others how you want and that’s how you’ll do it, I’ll judge ‘em my way. We’re humans so disagreements are of course going to happen.

            At the risk of this going on for the next year, I offer my hand for a worthy argument and it is good to know there are others who care so strongly about what they believe.

          • Anonymous

            >>it worked against Napoleon
            No. You can’t compare those. These are completely different conflicts,fought on different terms,utilizing completely different technology,strategy and kinds of warfare. If Hitler’s blitzkrieg didn’t choke,the German would’ve marched across the entire USSR in a matter of weeks. Let’s see Napoleon’s cavalry do that.

            >>I could argue all day about the absurdity of conquering all of Russia and then policing it. Germany would have been stretched to the breaking point policing such a large area.

            Ah,but you forget one crucial detail.

            This was not a civilized European war. This was a Total Annihilation war. It didn’t matter if the enemy was a POW or a civilian,if they were children,women or elderly – German soldier were under the specific orders to not fuck around with the Soviet Untermenschen. Soviet people were to ultimately meet the same fate as the Jews. Hundreds of millions of them were to be put to death,and the remaining couple of millions were to be either sterilized,brainwashed since childhood and basically turned into a race of braindead morlocks to help mine the Soviet resources. And the vast Soviet lands,now free of the Bolshevik scum,were to be settled by superior,civilized Europeans. That was Hitler’s plan.

            tl;dr If the Germans actually took over,there would soon be nobody left to police.

            >>His New Deal worked, people were working again, it didn’t work as fast as new factories with new contracts opening but they did work.

            Spoilers: New Deal didn’t really work because all it pretty much was was the extension of Hoover’s failed policies. The joke at the time was that WPA actually stood for “We Piddle Around”,because just like its immediate predecessor,the CWA,it was basically hiring people to do the most pointless,inconsequential chores ever. This is the organization that hired librarians to organize the archives and put men on public payroll to chase around stray tumbleweeds on windy days. I mean what the shit.

            Like I said before,it took WWII to actually pull the country out of the economic bombdive it was in.

            >>The first plan was the collectivization that killed millions, forcing a famine.

            The famine wasn’t really as much “forced” as it,you know,sorta happened. Some years,crops just fail. What really matters in those situations is what the government does to alleviate the situation. The Soviet famine was relatively quickly resolved,and while it probably could’ve gone better,now the country soon had an agricultural system strong enough to support the frontline in case of the inevitable war. And compared to the 6-10 years of hideous ineptitude and incompetence that were the Dust Bowl years,Stalin is really starting to look like a chap.

            >>I refuse to accept any plan that sells one’s soul for a victory (and I know Lenin would tear me apart for that statement, just read ‘Left-Wing Communism, an infantile disorder).

            He did what had to be done under the circumstances. After looking at the habit Hitler was making of breaking international treaties left and right,even a complete idiot would realize that the Ribbentrop-Molotov pact was only a temporary stopgap. Say what you want about Stalin,if there’s one thing he definitely was not,it’s stupid. War was imminent,and the USSR was in no way ready for it. If Stalin had a couple of years of preptime,collectivization would’ve probably went far smoother. But he didn’t have the time to fuck around when the whole country was at stake.

            tl;dr Millions died,but billions lived as a result of their sacrifice. The good of the many outweighs the good of the few,no?

            >>old Bolsheviks, dissidents or what have you in the gulags

            Protip: 99% of the inhabitants of those gulags ended up there not because they were suffering,unjustly repressed poets,but because they were thieves,burglars,murderers,rapists… You know,the usual prison population who undoubtedly deserves to be there.

            >>Oh my goodness, an old man who believed in old fashion ideas such as the white man’s burden.

            That’s no excuse for his bullshit bigotry. It’s like Manifest Destiny – you can’t really defend it.

            >>Before the war, Stalin didn’t care about nationalism in any sense.

            Well,of course he didn’t. Soviet Union was multinational and multiethnic. For all of those people to live in peace,all forms of nationalism had to be suppressed. In my mind,that was one of Soviet Union’s greatest achievements. Racial and ethnic equality and tolerance was infinitely more pronounced than it was in the US. Look what happened after Gorbachev took over and fucked everything up – there were immediately pockets of nationalism-driven insurgency springing out in the Caucasus.

            >>suddenly declaring Russian greatness

            What? No. He was declaring the greatness of the entirety of the Soviet people,not Russian. Listen to his wartime speeches on Youtube.

            >>He also seemed (and wanted the Russian people) to forget the whole invasion of Poland thing that the Soviets did with Germany and the non-aggression pact.

            Hmm. Sounds suspiciously like…pretty much any other leader in history who wants to present his county in the best possible light.

            And what about that non-aggression pact? Stalin wasn’t the one who broke it,for one. And like I said before,it was just a stopgap measure in order to buy the USSR some time before the Germans zergrushed it.

            >>At the risk of this going on for the next year, I offer my hand for a worthy argument and it is good to know there are others who care so strongly about what they believe.

            Touche. Me,I still can’t get over the novelty of having a relatively civil discussion about Stalin. Normally it’s all HERPA DERP DERP and BUT HE PERSONALLY ATE A BILLION ZILLION BABIES. Even if we don’t completely agree,my hat is still off to you,comrade.

          • Anonymous

            indeed

            Oh wait, this is the internet, what I meant to say at first was*clears throat* “FUCK YOU FOR THINKING DIFFERENTLY THAN ME, YOU ARE WRONG BECAUSE I AM RIGHT.”

          • Anonymous

            You guys had a great, civil, and intelligent discussion.

            …and on the internet, no less! That truly warms the cockles of my heart.

            Well done, both of you.

            However, I do have to voice my disagreement on one score in particular: there is much evidence to make a very strong argument that the Holodomor was not simply a natural consequence of bad planning or lack of resources, but an engineered famine designed to kill as many peasants as possible to eliminate those who Stalin believed were a threats to his power (some might even call it an “ethnic purge”). I recommend reading Adam Jones’s “Genocide: A Comprehensive Introduction” or Steven Rosefielde’s “Red Holocaust”.

            Rosefielde in particular says the following:

            “Grain supplies were sufficient enough to sustain everyone if properly distributed. People died mostly from terror-starvation (excess grain exports, seizure of edibles from the starving, state refusal to provide emergency relief, bans on outmigration, and forced deportation to food-deficit locales), not poor harvests and routine administrative bungling.”

            Make no mistake: there were no saints in that terrible time. Humans have always, and will always destroy each other. There is no cure for that. Sometimes we can justify it to ourselves. We whisper “It was a necessary sacrifice.” to the shadows in our rooms in the silence of the night, hoping against hope that one day we’ll believe it against our better conscience.

            But all the same, there are times when evil is evil and must be called as such. 64,000,000 civilian deaths during one’s reign is not an accident or a necessary factor to save others. It is an atrocity.

          • Anonymous

            >>it worked against Napoleon
            No. You can’t compare those. These are completely different conflicts,fought on different terms,utilizing completely different technology,strategy and kinds of warfare. If Hitler’s blitzkrieg didn’t choke,the German would’ve marched across the entire USSR in a matter of weeks. Let’s see Napoleon’s cavalry do that.

            >>I could argue all day about the absurdity of conquering all of Russia and then policing it. Germany would have been stretched to the breaking point policing such a large area.

            Ah,but you forget one crucial detail.

            This was not a civilized European war. This was a Total Annihilation war. It didn’t matter if the enemy was a POW or a civilian,if they were children,women or elderly – German soldier were under the specific orders to not fuck around with the Soviet Untermenschen. Soviet people were to ultimately meet the same fate as the Jews. Hundreds of millions of them were to be put to death,and the remaining couple of millions were to be either sterilized,brainwashed since childhood and basically turned into a race of braindead morlocks to help mine the Soviet resources. And the vast Soviet lands,now free of the Bolshevik scum,were to be settled by superior,civilized Europeans. That was Hitler’s plan.

            tl;dr If the Germans actually took over,there would soon be nobody left to police.

            >>His New Deal worked, people were working again, it didn’t work as fast as new factories with new contracts opening but they did work.

            Spoilers: New Deal didn’t really work because all it pretty much was was the extension of Hoover’s failed policies. The joke at the time was that WPA actually stood for “We Piddle Around”,because just like its immediate predecessor,the CWA,it was basically hiring people to do the most pointless,inconsequential chores ever. This is the organization that hired librarians to organize the archives and put men on public payroll to chase around stray tumbleweeds on windy days. I mean what the shit.

            Like I said before,it took WWII to actually pull the country out of the economic bombdive it was in.

            >>The first plan was the collectivization that killed millions, forcing a famine.

            The famine wasn’t really as much “forced” as it,you know,sorta happened. Some years,crops just fail. What really matters in those situations is what the government does to alleviate the situation. The Soviet famine was relatively quickly resolved,and while it probably could’ve gone better,now the country soon had an agricultural system strong enough to support the frontline in case of the inevitable war. And compared to the 6-10 years of hideous ineptitude and incompetence that were the Dust Bowl years,Stalin is really starting to look like a chap.

            >>I refuse to accept any plan that sells one’s soul for a victory (and I know Lenin would tear me apart for that statement, just read ‘Left-Wing Communism, an infantile disorder).

            He did what had to be done under the circumstances. After looking at the habit Hitler was making of breaking international treaties left and right,even a complete idiot would realize that the Ribbentrop-Molotov pact was only a temporary stopgap. Say what you want about Stalin,if there’s one thing he definitely was not,it’s stupid. War was imminent,and the USSR was in no way ready for it. If Stalin had a couple of years of preptime,collectivization would’ve probably went far smoother. But he didn’t have the time to fuck around when the whole country was at stake.

            tl;dr Millions died,but billions lived as a result of their sacrifice. The good of the many outweighs the good of the few,no?

            >>old Bolsheviks, dissidents or what have you in the gulags

            Protip: 99% of the inhabitants of those gulags ended up there not because they were suffering,unjustly repressed poets,but because they were thieves,burglars,murderers,rapists… You know,the usual prison population who undoubtedly deserves to be there.

            >>Oh my goodness, an old man who believed in old fashion ideas such as the white man’s burden.

            That’s no excuse for his bullshit bigotry. It’s like Manifest Destiny – you can’t really defend it.

            >>Before the war, Stalin didn’t care about nationalism in any sense.

            Well,of course he didn’t. Soviet Union was multinational and multiethnic. For all of those people to live in peace,all forms of nationalism had to be suppressed. In my mind,that was one of Soviet Union’s greatest achievements. Racial and ethnic equality and tolerance was infinitely more pronounced than it was in the US. Look what happened after Gorbachev took over and fucked everything up – there were immediately pockets of nationalism-driven insurgency springing out in the Caucasus.

            >>suddenly declaring Russian greatness

            What? No. He was declaring the greatness of the entirety of the Soviet people,not Russian. Listen to his wartime speeches on Youtube.

            >>He also seemed (and wanted the Russian people) to forget the whole invasion of Poland thing that the Soviets did with Germany and the non-aggression pact.

            Hmm. Sounds suspiciously like…pretty much any other leader in history who wants to present his county in the best possible light.

            And what about that non-aggression pact? Stalin wasn’t the one who broke it,for one. And like I said before,it was just a stopgap measure in order to buy the USSR some time before the Germans zergrushed it.

            >>At the risk of this going on for the next year, I offer my hand for a worthy argument and it is good to know there are others who care so strongly about what they believe.

            Touche. Me,I still can’t get over the novelty of having a relatively civil discussion about Stalin. Normally it’s all HERPA DERP DERP and BUT HE PERSONALLY ATE A BILLION ZILLION BABIES. Even if we don’t completely agree,my hat is still off to you,comrade.

          • Anonymous

            >>What did FDR or Churchill do that was so evil?

            I’m glad you asked.

            You should really try asking Indians and Australians about Churchill. They love him over there. He is to blame for the Bengali Holocaust,a massive famine that claimed millions of lives. And that was only one of many cases of British colonial atrocities,because under Churchill,all of the territories under the rule of the Empire were pillaged and sacked as he saw fit. He was a racist and a bigot who openly referred to the non-anglo-saxon subjects of the empire as subhuman,saying that they should,in fact,be grateful that a civilized,advanced European nation is in control of their savage lands. And,in the most emblematic display of his true nature,he masterminded Operation “Unthinkable”, the point of which was to basically let the Soviet Union do most of the dirty work pushing the Nazis back to Berlin,and then bring all the might of the Allied forces,including several captured German divisions,on the battle-weary Red Army. Thankfully,the Soviet push towards Berlin was faster than anyone had anticipated,so the backstabbing fucknugget’s plan never came to fruition.

            FDR? Japanese internment camps. His complete inability to lead the country out of the Great Depression,which only ended after WWII began (the excessive government spending strategy employed at the time was actually very similar to the one America is trying to pull off right now,and failing miserably). And before you speak of Stalin’s collectivization strategy,you should really take a look at the complete and total clusterfuck that was the Dust Bowl famine. Let’s not even count all those people who lost everything they ever knew and had to simply take their surviving family members and go somewhere where there’s a chance there might be food,leaving ghost towns behind. We still don’t know how many millions of people died back then,because the US census bureau simply doesn’t provide the demographic data for those years. Convenient,ain’t it?
            I could go on,but the best part of it all is that FRD is still widely considered to be one of America’s greatest presidents and was reelected three times.

            >> Give Britain hope against the German horde bearing down on them

            Stalin did the same for the Soviet people,but who cares about that,right?

            Oh,and speaking of unneeded sacrifices, it really doesn’t get any more atrocious than senselessly throwing troops wave after wave into the grindhouse of a mad suicide charge up a well-fortified beach covered with machine gun encampments until the enemy runs out of bullets. And yet somehow the D-day invasion gets the misty-eyed Spielberg treatment,while the heroic stands at Moscow and Stalingrad are met with “BUT COULDN’T THEY HAVE SARCIFICED LESS TROOPS HERPA DERP”. Funny how the world works.

            >>Also, Stalin was the one to screw up the Soviet Union, collectivization of the farms was idiotic and killed millions of people and disrupted the peasantry, more so when famine struck.

            Dead wrong. Collectivization was absolutely essential to,you know,not having major cities starve to death. In order to stand a chance in the war that was already looming on the horizon,the USSR would have to become an industrial giant overnight. Industrialization and the war effort would be impossible without a reliable agricultural support. Stalin understood all of that. And because of his foresight,the war was won.

            >>Russians would have stood their ground no matter what.

            You can’t be fucking serious.
            Are you seriously suggesting that Stalin should’ve thrown the battle of Moscow and let the Germans pillage,scorch and rape their way into the heart of the country,because Soviet partisans would’ve eventually defeated the Germans anyway?

            …Wow.

            There is so much wrong with that statement that I don’t even know where to fucking start.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_67H3DSEWGZM37OA3VNMJEF43SM Dean

    OMG you used the theme from Wild Arms! That’s some truly awesome shit there Spoons- Waiting with bated breath for the next kick-ass, nostalgia filled romp witcha.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_67H3DSEWGZM37OA3VNMJEF43SM Dean

    Yeah- Im going to play Wild Arms right the F now- using the music from it- i totally had to post AGAIN on the same subject

  • Anonymous

    The innovative plot and logistical interactions, along with a continuing debate about morality and a determinant philosophy on good and evil? Fuck, YEAH that is awesome! It’s really quite humbling to see that even though the tools to create games were so limited back then, the creators took what they had and hammered the fuck out of the concept and code to bring together something unique and true to role-playing.

    … Aaaaand then it becomes quite depressing when you look at some RPGs that have been released lately and you realise how far they fall short. Not in graphics and gameplay, obviously, but in the diversity of actions, the innovative and thought-provoking concepts, and the personalization of characters and storyline… where did all THAT go?!

    … Well, I’ve already caved in half my head from all those times I’ve smashed it into either my keyboard or the nearest brickwall, so I suppose a little more wallbanging won’t hurt.

    In any case, before the blood starts dribbling into my eyes, I will say this. That was a very good analytical, informative review, while still being fun. Obviously you can’t really make many jokes about a good game like this, but I’m looking forward to later on in the Ultima series when… I don’t know, there was a creator breakdown? Someone brainwashed the storyboarders? But damn it got weird.

    … I have got to stop rambling in my posts. *starts hitting head against wall-*

  • Anonymous

    This game sounds absolutely fascinating.

    Designers of the future: start taking notes.

  • Anonymous

    In fairness, punching out that space-reporter in ME2 was pretty entertaining, even it was just on a cartoonish level…

  • Anonymous

    What happens if you give Blackthorn one of the mantras?

    • http://twitter.com/slavestate slavestate

      Pretty sure regardless he kills your companion who you can never get back again.
      Then shortly after he’ll destroy the shrine and you have to restore it..

    • http://twitter.com/slavestate slavestate

      Pretty sure regardless he kills your companion who you can never get back again.
      Then shortly after he’ll destroy the shrine and you have to restore it..

  • Anonymous

    What happens if you give Blackthorn one of the mantras?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_6HMTHYLJKFDPCLYCJDTVEFHNNE Tom

    Hilarious, love the references, and I REALLY want to know what “Mom, Dad, don’t touch it! It’s evil!” is from.

    Also why is awesome Wild Arms music playing in the background?

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mike-Schmidt/1043467958 Mike Schmidt

      It’s from the movie Time Bandits. GREAT movie.

      • http://twitter.com/slavestate slavestate

        Might be old news to ya but whats funny… Time Bandits was also the inspiration that led to the cloth maps coming with Ultima II and up. The team all hung out in a movie theater all day long and waited for the big shot at the end of the movie where they show the whole map and sat there copying down every little piece til they finished it, went home and started working on Ultima II and its time travel heh..

      • http://twitter.com/slavestate slavestate

        Might be old news to ya but whats funny… Time Bandits was also the inspiration that led to the cloth maps coming with Ultima II and up. The team all hung out in a movie theater all day long and waited for the big shot at the end of the movie where they show the whole map and sat there copying down every little piece til they finished it, went home and started working on Ultima II and its time travel heh..

  • http://twitter.com/xikar Nicholas Spezio

    I think my next major PC game purchase is going to be the Ultima Collection or something similar. The way Spoony talks about these games is just awesome.

    • http://twitter.com/Doomknight66 Matthew Barr

      i always thought of them as the western equivalent to the final fantasy series, cept with more engaging stories but not as good music

    • http://twitter.com/Doomknight66 Matthew Barr

      i always thought of them as the western equivalent to the final fantasy series, cept with more engaging stories but not as good music

  • Anonymous

    Now I wanna play Wild Arms haha.

    Man, getting caught was fucking horrifying.

  • Anonymous

    Now I wanna play Wild Arms haha.

    Man, getting caught was fucking horrifying.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mattias-Granlund/100000618693819 Mattias Granlund

    it´s sad to see how such open RPG has become so few and good nowadays, mostly it´s the elder scrolls series that holds the torch on that field.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Elijah-Henly/1488214955 Elijah Henly

    So are you going to touch on the Underworld games at all?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1698349462 Katy Kimsey

    Oh my God I hear Wild Arms music in the background at first. You are amazing.

    This video is very amusing, by the way. Love your stuff! Keep at it. <3

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=666609830 Colin Byrne

    I AM THE RRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWW

  • Anonymous

    I still love this style of RPG, with the really simple graphics but well-developed plot. It’s what all RPGs should aspire to. You sure make this one in particular sound absolutely epic. Got me excited just by hearing about it. Bringing back memories of playing the Exile trilogy.
    Also, hell yeah, Wild ARMs!

    • http://www.google.com/profiles/LordKarnov42 LordKarnov42

      I’ve only played the Avernum remakes, but Avernum III is probably the only non-Ultima/non-Morrowind [just Morrowind] RPG that is in my top ten PC RPGs.

    • http://www.google.com/profiles/LordKarnov42 LordKarnov42

      I’ve only played the Avernum remakes, but Avernum III is probably the only non-Ultima/non-Morrowind [just Morrowind] RPG that is in my top ten PC RPGs.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Sean-Rivera/1392512622 Sean Rivera

    MANOWAR! Freaken badass! m/

  • Anonymous

    WOAH WOAH WOAH

    You could transfer your character??? That’s decades ahead of its time! God dammit… the Ultima series really did kick ass in all respects.

    • http://www.google.com/profiles/LordKarnov42 LordKarnov42

      You could transfer your characters in Wizardry (1981), Might and Magic (1986), Quest for Glory (1989), etc. Heck, in The Bard’s Tale (1985) you could even transfer characters to it -from- Wizardry and Ultima III. Ultima wasn’t decades ahead of it’s time in that respect, modern corporate developers are just lazy.

    • http://www.google.com/profiles/LordKarnov42 LordKarnov42

      You could transfer your characters in Wizardry (1981), Might and Magic (1986), Quest for Glory (1989), etc. Heck, in The Bard’s Tale (1985) you could even transfer characters to it -from- Wizardry and Ultima III. Ultima wasn’t decades ahead of it’s time in that respect, modern corporate developers are just lazy.

  • Anonymous

    Oh god,is that… Is that the Wild Arms intro..?

    Spoony,I fucking love you in a totally non-homosexual way.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Chase-Smith/632550984 Chase Smith

    MANOWAR!!!

    Very nice!

  • http://www.youtube.com/egxtra John K. Spencer

    Awesomely epic, man! The Ultima series really sounds exciting!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1575880087 Chris Meeder

    Thank you Spoony!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1575880087 Chris Meeder

    Thank you Spoony!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1575880087 Chris Meeder

    Thank you Spoony!

  • MissAshley

    With each entry in this retrospective I’m wondering more and more how I managed to never play a single Ultima game. I think somewhere in my mind I had filed them away as “like Final Fantasy and Dragon Warrior.” I’m enjoying seeing my young mental filing proven wrong.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Robert-Burling/100000173048141 Robert Burling

      DragonQuest, the JRPG series that was localized as Dragon Warrior, was actually inspired by Ultima and Wizardry.(Another series that I hope Spoony might do a review on.)

      • http://www.google.com/profiles/LordKarnov42 LordKarnov42

        He could review the first Wizardry, then just change the title card on it five times and move on to the sixth one.

      • http://www.google.com/profiles/LordKarnov42 LordKarnov42

        He could review the first Wizardry, then just change the title card on it five times and move on to the sixth one.

  • http://www.youtube.com/deathwing107 deathwing107

    To be fair, The Mass Effect series isn’t so much good vs. evil… It’s either to be a merciful, compromising leader or a Ruthless, strict leader. You achieve the same result in a different way. I think this notion was more evident in the 1st game than the 2nd, though. Mass Effect 2, however, also teaches you that no matter if you are ruthless or merciful, YOU BETTER BE FUCKING PREPARED or you will lose good men in the process, and possibly your own life. It doesn’t come close to being as in-depth as I’ve heard the Ultima series be (I knew about the series well before Spoony made these videos, although to this day I’ve never played them) but it is a variation on the good vs. evil concept.

  • http://www.youtube.com/deathwing107 deathwing107

    To be fair, The Mass Effect series isn’t so much good vs. evil… It’s either to be a merciful, compromising leader or a Ruthless, strict leader. You achieve the same result in a different way. I think this notion was more evident in the 1st game than the 2nd, though. Mass Effect 2, however, also teaches you that no matter if you are ruthless or merciful, YOU BETTER BE FUCKING PREPARED or you will lose good men in the process, and possibly your own life. It doesn’t come close to being as in-depth as I’ve heard the Ultima series be (I knew about the series well before Spoony made these videos, although to this day I’ve never played them) but it is a variation on the good vs. evil concept.

  • http://www.youtube.com/deathwing107 deathwing107

    To be fair, The Mass Effect series isn’t so much good vs. evil… It’s either to be a merciful, compromising leader or a Ruthless, strict leader. You achieve the same result in a different way. I think this notion was more evident in the 1st game than the 2nd, though. Mass Effect 2, however, also teaches you that no matter if you are ruthless or merciful, YOU BETTER BE FUCKING PREPARED or you will lose good men in the process, and possibly your own life. It doesn’t come close to being as in-depth as I’ve heard the Ultima series be (I knew about the series well before Spoony made these videos, although to this day I’ve never played them) but it is a variation on the good vs. evil concept.

  • Anonymous

    It’s kind of weird seeing these reviews of these old games… no one is going to play now …like ever. Those old PC games were a pain in the ass. Like if you got stuck you were really f’n stuck. Unless you knew someone that had played the game and got further than you. Or should I say unless you knew someone who was rich enough to afford a computer and games back than. Wasn’t like now were even your grandma has a PC. I guess that’s what made those games special back than if you beat it you really accomplished something. I wouldn’t bother wasting my time with those games in 2010 though. It’s like roller skates they were fun as hell back then but now with roller blades around it’s like I’m not going back to that sh*t.

    …just saying to people trying these games and realizing they don’t like it.

  • Anonymous

    Nobody knows what you did at the end of this one? Why do I get the feeling that Lord British takes the credit for it as soon as you’re gone? >.>

    • Anonymous

      Well, in Britannia it is known of course. It’s just that you return to earth, and (t)here on earth no one knows of the avatar.

  • http://twitter.com/Unguided Wayne

    Can’t wait for the next review, next game is the best game. It managed to balance a peaceful setting with a war that was just a big misunderstanding in the end.

  • Anonymous

    I’m really enjoying all these Ultima reviews. If I had more time I’d actually break out DOSbox and play some of these.

  • Anonymous

    I’m really enjoying all these Ultima reviews. If I had more time I’d actually break out DOSbox and play some of these.

  • Anonymous

    Props for Manowar and Wild Arms music.

    Monarchs really need to learn to get advisors that are either not blatantly evil or won’t succumb to darkness due to weak will, greed, or misguidance.

  • Anonymous

    Props for Manowar and Wild Arms music.

    Monarchs really need to learn to get advisors that are either not blatantly evil or won’t succumb to darkness due to weak will, greed, or misguidance.

  • Anonymous

    Props for Manowar and Wild Arms music.

    Monarchs really need to learn to get advisors that are either not blatantly evil or won’t succumb to darkness due to weak will, greed, or misguidance.

  • Anonymous

    Nice to see you review games Spoony, I’m starting to worry that all of this convention covering will give you less time to play and review games. You’re mainly a critic, Spoony, not a reporter!

  • Anonymous

    Nice to see you review games Spoony, I’m starting to worry that all of this convention covering will give you less time to play and review games. You’re mainly a critic, Spoony, not a reporter!

  • http://twitter.com/RazielStar Kevin Clause

    Yay, great review. I’ve never played an ultima game but they look interesting and hard as hell. It’s also nice to see Spoony getting back to games from his roots, whether the game was good or bad.

    P.S. I’m really happy to see Dancing Yuna and the original intro back up. To me Yuna has become the mascot for the song break me.

  • http://twitter.com/RazielStar Kevin Clause

    Yay, great review. I’ve never played an ultima game but they look interesting and hard as hell. It’s also nice to see Spoony getting back to games from his roots, whether the game was good or bad.

    P.S. I’m really happy to see Dancing Yuna and the original intro back up. To me Yuna has become the mascot for the song break me.

  • http://twitter.com/all_your_games All Your Games

    Did I heard the great No more Heroes music? Yes I did! Fabulous review.
    I wish I was born earlier, those games really seems interesting.

  • http://twitter.com/LikChan Lik Chan

    Pretty cool retro. This game had some really interesting ideas.

  • http://twitter.com/LikChan Lik Chan

    Pretty cool retro. This game had some really interesting ideas.

  • Anonymous

    Wow, I’m glad to see that all the evil was sealed up and all the wrongs of the world were righted.

    But I can’t help but feel that we’re missing something….

    OH DEAR GOD! THE GRAAAAASSSSS!

    How could of Lord British sealed all the evil beasties and demons of the world but forget about the grass?!

    Blackthorn didn’t do anything about it either from the looks of it! It’s EVERYWHERE!

    This is like killing everyone from the Shinra Corporation and forgetting about Sephiroth. Seriously, someone get on that! FETCH THE BALTHOR’S MAGICAL DEFOLIANT!

  • Anonymous

    Wow, I’m glad to see that all the evil was sealed up and all the wrongs of the world were righted.

    But I can’t help but feel that we’re missing something….

    OH DEAR GOD! THE GRAAAAASSSSS!

    How could of Lord British sealed all the evil beasties and demons of the world but forget about the grass?!

    Blackthorn didn’t do anything about it either from the looks of it! It’s EVERYWHERE!

    This is like killing everyone from the Shinra Corporation and forgetting about Sephiroth. Seriously, someone get on that! FETCH THE BALTHOR’S MAGICAL DEFOLIANT!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_LSI47DZXFG2BCIQGYJGXEWYEZ4 Courtney

    Wow these Ultima games are amazing. What they managed to create world and story wise with the technology they had was simply amazing. I almost feel ashamed that I really didn’t know much about this series until you started doing this series on them.

    Game creators today really need to take a cue from the game creators from the past when it comes to world and character creation, and their concepts of morality and other unique game gimmicks. If they had the story focus of these Ultima games, the moral freedom of Privateer, and the out-of-the-box game design like Comix Zone (I know, that one isn’t that old) they could make something truly amazing.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Calvin-Jarchow/1131125364 Calvin Jarchow

    I havent even watched this yet but this is the nicest relaxing Sunday I’ve had in a while and to paraphrase Autograph, things go better with Spoony.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Calvin-Jarchow/1131125364 Calvin Jarchow

    I havent even watched this yet but this is the nicest relaxing Sunday I’ve had in a while and to paraphrase Autograph, things go better with Spoony.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Miikka-Poikela/1210628398 Miikka Poikela

    Nice! The almighty Spoony has used some of my Ultima V videos. I feel honored. :-)

    -MP83

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Tiago-Meirinha/100001264115479 Tiago Meirinha

    Fuckin Wild ARMs opening theme…! Too..much…win… elipses…

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Aaron-Kerr/100000680887523 Aaron Kerr

      Skroonk!

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Aaron-Kerr/100000680887523 Aaron Kerr

      Skroonk!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Tiago-Meirinha/100001264115479 Tiago Meirinha

    Fuckin Wild ARMs opening theme…! Too..much…win… elipses…

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_4GPLPGJZSLMZG3TJZ4VRL3LIQQ Mauricio A

    THE LAAAAAAAWWWWHH!!

  • Anonymous

    I remember reading in your FAQ that you probably wouldn’t review good games, saying a “glowing, masturbatory review” wouldn’t be all that funny. Or something.

    Well even when you’re not fitting a joke in somehow, it still makes my day when you’re stating that a game is good and giving in-depth reasons why. It’s not making me LAUGH, no. But it is making me smile, and provoking thought. And that’s as good as making me laugh. Maybe even better.

    I could be alone in that. I ‘unna. If they agree they’ll like this comment, I guess.

  • http://twitter.com/mbroka711 Marc Broka

    Blackthorn’s laws are sounding like the religion of Islam, am i right?

    • http://twitter.com/MasterofLies Christian

      No, my friend, you are wrong.

  • http://twitter.com/mbroka711 Marc Broka

    Blackthorn’s laws are sounding like the religion of Islam, am i right?

  • http://twitter.com/MasterofLies Christian

    The Nostalgia Critic reviewed Warrior of Virtue? Huh.

    I can’t seem to find video on his site. Anyone have a URL?

  • Anonymous

    Shame Warriors of Destiny didn’t get a NES port like Exodus/Quest of. Ultima 4 was easily my favorite NES era RPG and this sounds like it would have topped even that lofty bar.

    • http://www.google.com/profiles/LordKarnov42 LordKarnov42

      Oh, it did, but it’s the absolute worst port of any game to another platform in history. They tried to convert it to the Ultima VI engine. On the NES. I’d say 75% of the game content was cut, it looks ugly, and it plays terribly. By the way, I highly recommend you try out one of the PC versions of Ultima IV since you missed quite a bit of the game playing the NES version there too. Like conversations with the NPCs. Etc. And the awesome original soundtrack [especially the Apple II version].

      • Anonymous

        No, the worst port of any game ever was Ultima VII ported to the SNES. They butchered it utterly.

        • http://www.google.com/profiles/LordKarnov42 LordKarnov42

          True, true. I tend to forget that one exists. I’d say they’re tied.

        • http://www.google.com/profiles/LordKarnov42 LordKarnov42

          True, true. I tend to forget that one exists. I’d say they’re tied.

        • http://www.google.com/profiles/LordKarnov42 LordKarnov42

          True, true. I tend to forget that one exists. I’d say they’re tied.

  • Anonymous

    Shame Warriors of Destiny didn’t get a NES port like Exodus/Quest of. Ultima 4 was easily my favorite NES era RPG and this sounds like it would have topped even that lofty bar.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michael-McMahan/100000810907794 Michael McMahan

    I’m diggin’ the Wild Arms Theme music intro!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michael-McMahan/100000810907794 Michael McMahan

    I’m diggin’ the Wild Arms Theme music intro!

  • Princess Stabbity

    I now kind of wish I’d gotten to play this one. Someone should remake it for my benefit! *waits to be struck by lightning for even putting that in the air*

    • http://www.google.com/profiles/LordKarnov42 LordKarnov42

      There is a remake, using the Dungeon Siege engine [Dungeon Siege required] with a slightly expanded plot, and an alternate ending.

      http://www.u5lazarus.com/

      • Princess Stabbity

        Keen! Thanks for the link!

      • Princess Stabbity

        Keen! Thanks for the link!

    • http://www.facebook.com/koztah Koztah V.

      You can still play it. It’s out there and so is DOSBox, waiting.

      I know it’s hard to play older games sometimes, especially when they’re *this* old but believe me, after a few hours of coming to grips with what you’re looking at you’ll get sucked in. It’s not like you’re trying to learn to play Dwarf Fortress or something.

      Besides, if it were remade likely the new developers would be forced to remove any permanent sort of loss from the game. Today’s average gamer is a pretty big chicken-wuss. The only game that punishes the player that’s actually sold decently in the last few years is Demon’s Souls – and even then, it was a slap on the wrist at worst. The blunting of Lord Blackthorn’s blade would blunt the game’s impact just as much.

      • Princess Stabbity

        Hmm. Never tried DOSBox. I’ll have to look into it then.

        I freely admit that some older games can not hold my attention great story or not simply because of superficial flaws. But at least it’s a worth a look and try!

        I don’t know, I think some developers could pull it off today. They’d just have to have the guts to stand their ground on it. I mean some Final Fantasy games killed off characters and they stayed dead. There was a good sense of loss on those at times. And you could get your helper or whoever killed in Fallout 3 and they’d be gone forever. (I think that was how it worked…) The Mass Effect series does a decent job at having actual fallout from decisions and loss. But that’s just my opinion.

      • Princess Stabbity

        Hmm. Never tried DOSBox. I’ll have to look into it then.

        I freely admit that some older games can not hold my attention great story or not simply because of superficial flaws. But at least it’s a worth a look and try!

        I don’t know, I think some developers could pull it off today. They’d just have to have the guts to stand their ground on it. I mean some Final Fantasy games killed off characters and they stayed dead. There was a good sense of loss on those at times. And you could get your helper or whoever killed in Fallout 3 and they’d be gone forever. (I think that was how it worked…) The Mass Effect series does a decent job at having actual fallout from decisions and loss. But that’s just my opinion.

      • Anonymous

        Members of your party in Dragon Age will turn on you if you do something they hate.

      • Anonymous

        Members of your party in Dragon Age will turn on you if you do something they hate.

    • Anonymous

      If you have Dungeon Siege by any chance, just Google Ultima V Lazarus, a remake with the (now also quite old) Dungeon Siege engine.There are remakes and emulators for Ultima games all over the net, Exult for Ultima VII is probably a famous example. In general a good place to start research in these fields is probably the “editable codex”-Ultima wiki.If you want the original, yes, there is of course DOSBox. But I know from experience that many – even if they really appreciate that it was an awesome game back then – can’t bring themselves to play the original if they are not motivated by nostalgia.

      Edit: Silly me, it was already posted… just ignore me

  • http://www.facebook.com/koztah Koztah V.

    Hah! The use of Manowar brings back some very relevant memories – it’s ALL I would listen to while playing Ultima Online (pre-T2A), particularly during guild wars.

  • http://www.facebook.com/koztah Koztah V.

    Hah! The use of Manowar brings back some very relevant memories – it’s ALL I would listen to while playing Ultima Online (pre-T2A), particularly during guild wars.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Aaron-Kerr/100000680887523 Aaron Kerr

    Yes, YES!! I waited so long, and it’s so good! I’ve never played anything other than 7, and 8 never worked; so to hear that 5 is what it is, wow, I never would have jacked half the swag in 7 had I known exactly what the Avatar is.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Aaron-Kerr/100000680887523 Aaron Kerr

    Yes, YES!! I waited so long, and it’s so good! I’ve never played anything other than 7, and 8 never worked; so to hear that 5 is what it is, wow, I never would have jacked half the swag in 7 had I known exactly what the Avatar is.

  • http://ninael.livejournal.com/ Sara

    I might not have played any of the Ultima series, but I’m digging the Wild Arms theme you used.

  • Anonymous

    Awesome, I can’t wait for 6. Ultima VI is my second favourite, with VII (including SI) taking the lead.

    I never finished V myself, but the scenario is indeed awesome.

    I guess as effects, complexity and cost of developing games increased, we lost the certain feel of those games, that were heavily guided by a single designer and director – games today are still very entertaining, but I still think, this special feel, this truly deep, philosophical thought… I can’t find this in contemporary games any more. Even developers like Bioware that make truly awesome RPGs don’t quite reach that any more.

    Indeed, Planescape: Torment is the only game off the top of my hat that I would compare to that old feel, and it is now very old itself.

  • Anonymous

    hahaa, wild arms music, nice!

  • Vanlan

    What!? Final Fantasy X-2 is way better then this ;).

  • http://twitter.com/perderedeus Tim Gulics

    Spoony. You used a Manowar song. I love you.

  • http://twitter.com/perderedeus Tim Gulics

    Spoony. You used a Manowar song. I love you.

  • http://www.google.com/profiles/114319313498601954245 Kaltzor

    Wild Arms music… epicness.

    But even his name Blackthorn would pretty much suggest he is evil… Once again the people of the world of Ultima prove their incompetence… They can’t fight mages with blaster rifles and tell good from evil… Com’on, is it really that hard? Anyone with the words Lord and Black in their name is pretty much 99% certainly evil.

  • Anonymous

    Wild Arms intro song!!! WOOT FOR YOU!

    • http://www.facebook.com/Kurokun1293 Roger Smith

      My thoughts exactly sir. Wild ARMs theme is epic win.

      • Anonymous

        That Wild Arms music was so perfect and made me so nostalgic and blissful that I had to create a profile in its honor!

        That said, based on the Ultima reviews so far, this is the one that I wish to play the most. I am very much considering getting my hands on it. That “Saw”-like scene couldn’t be more epic, in all its pixilated glory.

        I would also care to give Ultima I a try. What can I say? Old-school games catch my eye.

  • Anonymous

    Wait so what happens if you do give BlackThorn the mantra? Is he just a dick and kills off your companion anyway?

    • http://spoonyexperiment.com The Spoony One

      If you give Blackthorn the mantra, you lose a ton of karma (which measures your moral standing) and Blackthorn gives your companion a quick death before sending you back to his dungeon. I believe he also destroys the shrine, which might make the game unwinnable. Not sure. Never did it.

      • http://twitter.com/Dragoondeath Devon Reed

        well at least you know that he like to mess with your head, but wait… what if you lose all your companions… does that mean he does turn on you, or does he like throw you out and label you a traiter?

        • Anonymous

          I think that if you have no companions left, Blackthorn puts you on the torture table and you will die and get game over.

          This is indeed a chilling scene in the game if you get caught, and it also shows just how callous (or posessed) Blackthorn is.

      • http://twitter.com/Dragoondeath Devon Reed

        well at least you know that he like to mess with your head, but wait… what if you lose all your companions… does that mean he does turn on you, or does he like throw you out and label you a traiter?

      • Anonymous

        He does destroy the shrine (I can’t remember if you lose karma or not), but you can learn a ritual that will restore a destroyed shrine.

        OT: My big beef with that scene is that your companion dies irregardless of what you do. That turns what should be a nerve-wracking choice into something more like a reload condition.

      • Anonymous

        He does destroy the shrine (I can’t remember if you lose karma or not), but you can learn a ritual that will restore a destroyed shrine.

        OT: My big beef with that scene is that your companion dies irregardless of what you do. That turns what should be a nerve-wracking choice into something more like a reload condition.

      • Anonymous

        He does destroy the shrine (I can’t remember if you lose karma or not), but you can learn a ritual that will restore a destroyed shrine.

        OT: My big beef with that scene is that your companion dies irregardless of what you do. That turns what should be a nerve-wracking choice into something more like a reload condition.

      • Anonymous

        He does destroy the shrine (I can’t remember if you lose karma or not), but you can learn a ritual that will restore a destroyed shrine.

        OT: My big beef with that scene is that your companion dies irregardless of what you do. That turns what should be a nerve-wracking choice into something more like a reload condition.

  • Anonymous

    Enjoying the hell out of these Ultima reviews. Can’t wait for the next one.

    The style of the next one (Ultima VI) is actually what I personally associate Ultima with (my first Ultima had that style… I always thought it looked really weird and unattractive, but I’m beginning to like it). And maybe the really simple white sprite from the first game, which is total class.

  • http://www.facebook.com/Kurokun1293 Roger Smith

    No seriously, I’m geeking out here. You used Wild ARMs music. I didn’t think you could be more awesome sir, but you’ve outdone yourself.

  • lamg

    that WIld arms music is epic for sure…. ITS A MORRICONE RIPOFF!(but hey, if you´re gonna copy somebody might as well take it from the best).

  • Anonymous

    This is the game that forced me to buy a PC to replace my old Apple IIc…because at the time, THERE WAS NO APPLE VERSION ARRRRRRRRGGGH

  • Anonymous

    This is the game that forced me to buy a PC to replace my old Apple IIc…because at the time, THERE WAS NO APPLE VERSION ARRRRRRRRGGGH

  • Anonymous

    Spoony, why don’t you use any of the Ultima music in your coverage of the Ultima games? The series has some pretty awesome tunes.

  • Anonymous

    Spoony, why don’t you use any of the Ultima music in your coverage of the Ultima games? The series has some pretty awesome tunes.

  • Anonymous

    Spoony, why don’t you use any of the Ultima music in your coverage of the Ultima games? The series has some pretty awesome tunes.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Westley-Crowe/100001311975102 Westley Crowe

    I’ve never commented before but…using Manowar as the ending credits song, fucking metal Spoony, fucking metal.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Timo-Takalo/503889411 Timo Takalo

    3:50 “Cowardice, Hatred and Shame?” The third one is Falsehood, my good sir.

  • http://twitter.com/Ryuzito RyuRanX

    The best video so far in the Ultima Retrospective. I liked the humor in the first three Ultima reviews, but it didn’t sound right in Ultima IV, considering how important this game was back than, a milestone in the RPG genre. I’m glad you made this one a little more serious and focusing on the gameplay/story itself.

    And as other people said, make use of the amazing Ultima soundtrack in your videos, especially now in Ultima VI-IX which has a lot of memorable pieces. I loved the Manowar music in the ending though.

  • Anonymous

    I see that you really liked the Nostalgia Critic’s look at Judge Dredd! Those small clips were awesome and fit well with the context of the review! Damn, how many of these did Lord British make? I think there was an MMO as well?

    • Anonymous

      The “main” series was I (or 0 but that was of course retconned) to IX, with Ultima 7 basically being two complete games (The Black Gate and Serpent Isle). The oddity Ultima VII part II happened, because Garriot/British said there should never be a truly new Ultima without a new engine, and Serpent Isle used the Ultima VII engine, also the plot was already planned out when development started on part I.

      Ultima IX is not really considered “worthy” of Ultima status by many fans. Lord British was basically only involved in it by giving his name, the original script thought of at the beginning of development on part VII was completely abandoned and the surrogate script was then again completely abandoned and again replaced, but later partially leaked by the author out of frustration in a – and the development team on IX shared basically none of the staff of the previous titles.

      VIII was already getting mediocre, with many elements cut and more action oriented but baldy implemented gameplay (giving it the nickname “Super Avatar Bros.” because of really badly implemented jumping mechanics – which were patched, but getting patches in an age without widespread internet was quite problematic – that more often then not resulted in frustrating death), but IX really killed it, whith so many inconsistencies and sometimes even insulting plot developments (probably most infamous one character who sacrificed his life as a heroic deed in a previous Ultima just springs back to life casually, completely cheapening that sacrifice) that fans made a patch that basically rewrites all the dialogue – and it still can’t redeem everything.

      Who was to blame? EA. Actually, Ultima VII part I has numerous allusions to EA, two of the major antagonists are called Elizabeth and Abraham, there are evil plot devices to destroy that are a cube, tetrahedron and sphere – which was the logo of EA back then. Origin knew that the “We can’t give you enough money and time to finish the games you do! We have to prematurely release them to turn a profit! This will in no way ruin the games and eventually leave you as only a dead husk of the game developer you once were”-attitude of EA was bound to ruin them, talk about IRL-foreshadowing in a game.

      Then there was Ultima Online, which was really awesome, basically laid the foundation of modern MMORPGs and actually had a kind of freedom and immersion you won’t find in WoW-style MMOs – which had both positive and negative consequences, Playerkillers roamed the servers and there were little restrictions on what could be stolen from you by other players. Nowadays opinions on it are divided and it has been heavily altered from it’s original design – but you can find private servers of the “old” ultima online quite easily, or even more hardcore severs, with enforced Roleplaying and permanent death rules for example.

      And when Ultima was at the heigth of it’s popularity, around Part VI and VII, they also made spinoffs. Ultima Underworld I and II, played from a first-person perspective, both set in Britannia. Also the “worlds of Ultima” which have the same avatar as a protagonist and run on the Ultima VI engine, but are completely different in setting. “Savage Empire” has you trapped in a Lost World kind of valley on Earth with dinosaurs and all, where you have to unite some prehistoric tribes.

      “Martian Dreams” has you traveling back in time with a moongate, to team up with characters like Sigmund Freud, Nikola Tesla and Warren Spector (which came along from the future/present and produced the game) to fly to a Jules Vernesque Mars in a space cannon projectile, where there are green plant-alien martians. It is as awesome as it can get.

      So in Total, Ultima 0-9 makes actually 11 games due to Ultima VII being two games, the spinoffs add 4 to it, making 15, Ultima Online makes 16. Not counting some gameboy spinoffs, and stuff I might have missed. Ultima truly was the shit back in the day, engaging in gameplay, but above all in immersion and thought put into it. Too bad it died so horribly.

      • http://openid-provider.appspot.com/tipazollik KilloZapit

        Yes I hate EA for that, but the shitty sports games don’t help. Damn you EA! Daaaaaaammmmmmnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn yyooooooooooouuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu…

    • Anonymous

      The “main” series was I (or 0 but that was of course retconned) to IX, with Ultima 7 basically being two complete games (The Black Gate and Serpent Isle). The oddity Ultima VII part II happened, because Garriot/British said there should never be a truly new Ultima without a new engine, and Serpent Isle used the Ultima VII engine, also the plot was already planned out when development started on part I.

      Ultima IX is not really considered “worthy” of Ultima status by many fans. Lord British was basically only involved in it by giving his name, the original script thought of at the beginning of development on part VII was completely abandoned and the surrogate script was then again completely abandoned and again replaced, but later partially leaked by the author out of frustration in a – and the development team on IX shared basically none of the staff of the previous titles.

      VIII was already getting mediocre, with many elements cut and more action oriented but baldy implemented gameplay (giving it the nickname “Super Avatar Bros.” because of really badly implemented jumping mechanics – which were patched, but getting patches in an age without widespread internet was quite problematic – that more often then not resulted in frustrating death), but IX really killed it, whith so many inconsistencies and sometimes even insulting plot developments (probably most infamous one character who sacrificed his life as a heroic deed in a previous Ultima just springs back to life casually, completely cheapening that sacrifice) that fans made a patch that basically rewrites all the dialogue – and it still can’t redeem everything.

      Who was to blame? EA. Actually, Ultima VII part I has numerous allusions to EA, two of the major antagonists are called Elizabeth and Abraham, there are evil plot devices to destroy that are a cube, tetrahedron and sphere – which was the logo of EA back then. Origin knew that the “We can’t give you enough money and time to finish the games you do! We have to prematurely release them to turn a profit! This will in no way ruin the games and eventually leave you as only a dead husk of the game developer you once were”-attitude of EA was bound to ruin them, talk about IRL-foreshadowing in a game.

      Then there was Ultima Online, which was really awesome, basically laid the foundation of modern MMORPGs and actually had a kind of freedom and immersion you won’t find in WoW-style MMOs – which had both positive and negative consequences, Playerkillers roamed the servers and there were little restrictions on what could be stolen from you by other players. Nowadays opinions on it are divided and it has been heavily altered from it’s original design – but you can find private servers of the “old” ultima online quite easily, or even more hardcore severs, with enforced Roleplaying and permanent death rules for example.

      And when Ultima was at the heigth of it’s popularity, around Part VI and VII, they also made spinoffs. Ultima Underworld I and II, played from a first-person perspective, both set in Britannia. Also the “worlds of Ultima” which have the same avatar as a protagonist and run on the Ultima VI engine, but are completely different in setting. “Savage Empire” has you trapped in a Lost World kind of valley on Earth with dinosaurs and all, where you have to unite some prehistoric tribes.

      “Martian Dreams” has you traveling back in time with a moongate, to team up with characters like Sigmund Freud, Nikola Tesla and Warren Spector (which came along from the future/present and produced the game) to fly to a Jules Vernesque Mars in a space cannon projectile, where there are green plant-alien martians. It is as awesome as it can get.

      So in Total, Ultima 0-9 makes actually 11 games due to Ultima VII being two games, the spinoffs add 4 to it, making 15, Ultima Online makes 16. Not counting some gameboy spinoffs, and stuff I might have missed. Ultima truly was the shit back in the day, engaging in gameplay, but above all in immersion and thought put into it. Too bad it died so horribly.

  • Anonymous

    WILD ARMS!!! I need to go play that game now…

  • http://twitter.com/itantint ofer etrog

    Could one of you tell me what is so special about the moral system ?
    In ME2 you are advised to stick to one side of morality either Paragon or Renegade so you could unlock the highest dialog options which are necessary for some quests if you don’t stick to just one you will just be average at both and will ot have the highest level dialog options.
    That I understand. (although it does upset me)
    but why should the player in ultima 5 care about his or her karma points ??

    • http://www.facebook.com/imaeatchurface Anthone Jason Licari Lamb

      Because in Ultima 5, good karma = staying alive. Didn’t you get that?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=723976154 Martin Svenneryd

    ahhhh wild arms intro , such an awesome game :D

  • Anonymous

    You might not read this, but I hope you will.

    This is what makes you great. The further you stray from your honest-to-goodness reviews and insight, the more you delve into the realm of mediocrity. When people say they enjoy the old spoony, this style of video is what they mean.

  • http://twitter.com/sirkidd2003 Jay Kidd

    I freakin’ love Manowar! I have the Triumph of Steel vinyl sitting in my bedroom right now. Also, great episode as usual!

  • http://twitter.com/sirkidd2003 Jay Kidd

    I freakin’ love Manowar! I have the Triumph of Steel vinyl sitting in my bedroom right now. Also, great episode as usual!

  • Anonymous

    Hey, you used No More Heroes music later in the video. Nice touch)

  • Anonymous

    Hey, you used No More Heroes music later in the video. Nice touch)

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Justin-Duarte/100000444656764 Justin Duarte

    All hail the Kings of Metal, Manowar!!!!!!

  • Anonymous

    I saw on youtube that if you do answer Blackthorns question he responds “Thank you, your honesty is appreciated…You friends death will not be in vain”

    and he kills them.

    that bastard!

    Like what Spoony says, NEVER get caught.

    Or you can wear a item called “Black Badge” which allows you to pass undisturbed in his castle, but your honor or kama or something suffers while you wear it.

  • http://dragonacesg7.livejournal.com/profile Dragons_Dusk

    damn, that sounds pretty cool,
    though virtues being twisted is why I’m never a Jedi ;)

    were you able to stagger save in old school PC rpgs? or was it you saved or you didn’t?
    Very cool about getting to port your previous character into the game

  • http://dragonacesg7.livejournal.com/profile Dragons_Dusk

    damn, that sounds pretty cool,
    though virtues being twisted is why I’m never a Jedi ;)

    were you able to stagger save in old school PC rpgs? or was it you saved or you didn’t?
    Very cool about getting to port your previous character into the game

  • http://www.facebook.com/Celimous Jackson Rawding

    Excellent touch with the Manowar at the credits, use more Manowar in your vids

  • http://www.facebook.com/Celimous Jackson Rawding

    Excellent touch with the Manowar at the credits, use more Manowar in your vids

  • http://www.facebook.com/Celimous Jackson Rawding

    Excellent touch with the Manowar at the credits, use more Manowar in your vids

  • http://twitter.com/Okanehira Okanehira

    This is what makes you great. The further you stray from your honest-to-goodness reviews and insight, the more you delve into the realm of mediocrity. When people say they enjoy the old spoony, this style of video is what they mean. [2]

  • http://twitter.com/Okanehira Okanehira

    This is what makes you great. The further you stray from your honest-to-goodness reviews and insight, the more you delve into the realm of mediocrity. When people say they enjoy the old spoony, this style of video is what they mean. [2]

  • http://twitter.com/Okanehira Okanehira

    This is what makes you great. The further you stray from your honest-to-goodness reviews and insight, the more you delve into the realm of mediocrity. When people say they enjoy the old spoony, this style of video is what they mean. [2]

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michael-Wilbur/100000233713624 Michael Wilbur

    Very interesting. I was gaming around the same time, but never really got into the Ultima series. I sure played the hell out of Bard’s Tale I and III, however. There was actually an option for importing Ultima characters into that (V or VI, I can’t remember). The only thing I played more was Wasteland and … no, King’s Quest doesn’t count. I spent most of that time waiting for my screen to draw the graphics!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michael-Wilbur/100000233713624 Michael Wilbur

    Very interesting. I was gaming around the same time, but never really got into the Ultima series. I sure played the hell out of Bard’s Tale I and III, however. There was actually an option for importing Ultima characters into that (V or VI, I can’t remember). The only thing I played more was Wasteland and … no, King’s Quest doesn’t count. I spent most of that time waiting for my screen to draw the graphics!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Alexander-Hutcheson/100001172877407 Alexander Hutcheson

    Hey Spoony, I gotta idea I want to put out. How about after your done with the Ultima series, you do a retrospective on all of the “Infinity Engine” games. You know: Baldur’s Gate, Icewind Dale ect.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Alexander-Hutcheson/100001172877407 Alexander Hutcheson

    Hey Spoony, I gotta idea I want to put out. How about after your done with the Ultima series, you do a retrospective on all of the “Infinity Engine” games. You know: Baldur’s Gate, Icewind Dale ect.

  • Anonymous

    Man, I absolutely lucked out! Tracking down old NES games I got ahold of this game in a stack of 50 games for $50. Seems the only Ultima game I own happens to be the best in the series :D

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Alycia-Shedd/100000532232854 Alycia Shedd

    Man, I’m not a big RPG fan, but this series is awesome. Why is there no Ultima movie?

    Oh, right, because the studio execs would turn it into an abomination. Now I remember.

    • http://profiles.google.com/dan.doel Dan Doel

      Just wait until Ultima 9.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mike-Vogel/780069849 Mike Vogel

    I… am the next trending topic.

    The Internet told me so. About 10 dozen times now.

  • http://twitter.com/yamina_chan Miriam Percival

    I can’t stop smiling right now, simply because you used Wild Arms Music in this. I felt so touched by that and automatically got me a little bot more into what you were talking about when you described the stoy.
    Also, I can kinda see why you like this game so much ^^

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mayra-Dantas-Bueno/716900458 Mayra Dantas Bueno

    Wow, Ultima’s IV and V have awesome plot! Why RPG today can’t ben like this?

    • insertcoinplzzz

      Well Dragon Age: Origins still have an awesome and thrilling plot/story in my opinion. I would recommend that game to anyone.

    • insertcoinplzzz

      Well Dragon Age: Origins still have an awesome and thrilling plot/story in my opinion. I would recommend that game to anyone.

      • Asger Egelund Nielsen

        Well you can’t really go wrong with any Bioware RPG (except maybe Dragon Age 2)

        • Jamie Sheil

          true dat, DA2’s plot was a massive failure. I like how they ended it when things actually started getting interesting.

          • Anonymous

            I hate to sound condescending, but you do understand the concept of the third act setup. I can’t believe how many people don’t get what Dragon Age was doing.

          • http://highlandarrow.com/ Maiyannah Lysander

             We get what it was doing, that doesn’t make it any less a shit game for twats.

            To put it in the immortal words of Yahtzee Crowshaw, about the only other reviewer I listen to other than spoony: “There are two types of games in this miserable existance of ours: games which get released because they thought they were things people would want to play, and games which get released because they want to add another room onto the golden money palace, and Dragon Age 2 is in the latter category.”

            It was a rushed copypaste job with shitty controls and no redeeming qualities whatsoever, that people just keep lapping up because hey, it’s Bioware, and they can do no wrong.

          • sinthalis

            Okay. I posted this like three months ago, so I barely remember it, but nothing you wrote has anything to do with what I said, so I really don’t know how to respond. I liked the game. It doesn’t mean I’m dumb, it doesn’t mean I think bioware can do no wrong, it only means one thing. I liked the game. It was okay, and I understand the ending was a set up for the story in the last game. That’s all I was saying.

          • http://highlandarrow.com/ Maiyannah Lysander

             Your reply was to someone saying the plot was contrived, as if it being a setup forgave that.  It doesn’t.

          • sinthalis

            I will repeat, I liked the game. Nothing you say will change that. There is nothing to forgive. I will always like this game. Yelling at me won’t change that, and continuing to do so will only change my opinion of you.

    • http://dragonacesg7.livejournal.com/profile Dragons_Dusk

       see Ultima 8 retrospective

      seriously though I think a lot of it is the greater desire to produce a product instead of a good product

  • http://twitter.com/NinjaMoogle218 The Chuck.

    The greatest answer to any question. “Eat a dick.”

  • Anonymous

    So this is RPG?  I thought it was about anime pop singers, lame underwater sports and guys with afros that have birds living in his hair?

    • Rachel Adelson

      Coming from the guy who’s watching this show on New Year’s Eve…

      • Anonymous

        Well at least theres one thing that haven’t changed in RPG’s, battling trolls…

    • http://dragonacesg7.livejournal.com/profile Dragons_Dusk

       seems like a lot (not all) more recently are
      FF VI though (FF III in the US originally) I thought had a decent plot with interesting quests and while later character designs are more anime-ish the original versions weren’t (not even for some of the stills since the character themselves were a lower graphic).  They were drawn yes but I didn’t get a huge anime feel out of them.  More old school fantasy.

      • Anonymous

        Loved the old school FF games.  But as Spoony said in his FF8 series, 7 changed everything as it went out into the anime left field and has kept going and going and going there ever since.  I could care less if they ever made another one.

        • http://dragonacesg7.livejournal.com/profile Dragons_Dusk

           I hear you.  I think I actually stopped FF at 7, and I actually like anime, but I just couldn’t get into it and the magic system in 8 completely broke me from trying.  They’ve been worse and worse since, just shoving them out to make a profit. 

          The Dissidia series is still pretty anime-ish but I enjoyed some of the story lines in the 1st one (was annoyed no ‘bad guy’ stories).

          Not really an RPG, more a fighting game with stories, but it was still nice to see some of the old school FF again.

          • Anonymous

            I wouldn’t mind giving 7 a try, as it is more of a case of “the game everyone grew up on” rather then being, a great game.  I like anime, don’t get me wrong, but there is a fine line between a good show in anime, crazy costumes and ideas show, and then the pretentious garbage.

            Oh, wait, 7 is the one where the hero crossdresses and gets gang banged by 50 pornstaches isn’t it?  Yeah maybe I will pass.  Thats just………..I don’t know.  You know what would have made Final Fantasy IV really good?  Gangbangs with pornstaches.  That would give Cecil another reason to be a bit emo.

  • http://www.facebook.com/itsateben Stephen Joe Hetrick

    Oh wow, I’ve seen this video previously but I missed the fact that you used my art at 1:40! A lot of the time I watch your stuff while working so my eyes are elsewhere and I end up just listening. Anyway, that’s awesome, I’m really glad you liked it enough to use in a video!

  • http://www.facebook.com/SarkisSamuel Sarkis Samuel

    WILD ARMS MUSIC!! YES!

  • jpakwall

    I greatly love this retroactive series. It’s a fine take that doesn’t take things too seriously and praises as well as chives the games.

    I don’t think the comment about 4 having a better moral system then Mass Effect was entirely fair. You HAVE to be good in order to progress in Ultima four correct? You can choose to be a jerk but then you are unable to go on to complete the game. In mass effect the context of the series is while you are meant to represent the human race in a sense, the priority of the reapers and their threat are obviously higher, so ultimately you have to get the job done, and it’s up to the player to choose how you do that. You don’t have to choose renegade every time you talk to people, you can mix and mash choices pretty much as you see fit, and still complete the game.

  • Bill Cassinelli

    This is my most favorite video game of all-time, taking me over a full year to complete when it first came out, and no other game has ever made me feel the emotions that this one did. I simply cannot add anything you haven’t mentioned in this wonderful review, save for the fact that if you got caught, your companion Iolo was not simply killed, but ERASED off the disk on the Commodore 64 version. I shit you not.

  • mkfan1602

    Well I think I know what I am doing the next time I get money. I am getting a pre-paid debit card (I don’t have a credit card so sue me) and I am going to gog.com and downloading the Ultima Collection. They have a collection that has Ultima 1 2 3 and Ultima 4 5 6 for only $5.99. Granted they are two collections and not all in one collection but that is still a good deal to get all the Ultima games for around $10.00 or $11.00 plus it’s supposedly patched so that it works with Windows 7. Heck you can get Ultima 4 for free. You even get  printable manuals (well at least you do with Ultima 4). So yeah I am really interested to get into the Ultima series it sounds awesome. This game Ultima 5 sounding the most awesome.
     

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1673310152 Julian Andreassen

    YEAAAH! Blood of the Kings by Manowar! I have a slight feeling that you may be a Manowar fan just like me Spoony.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jovan-Stipic/1520802005 Jovan Stipic

    wild arms theme in the beginning :D 

  • jagarcia0705

    Even though I never played any Ultima games, but after watching all the Ultima videos from Ultima 0 to Ultima Pagan. I believe Ultima 7 & its expansion pack are the peak of the series.

  • http://twitter.com/Jesseraygarza Jesse Garza

    Dude, the wild arms music in the background was a perfect touch!

  • Simoneer

    Iolo is sliced in half!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Konstantin-Akhmetov/100000303416185 Konstantin Akhmetov

    How come I didn’t notice the music the first 20 times I watched this review?

    MANOWAAAR!!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/william.thorne Will Black

    “A guy named Lord Blackthorn, evil?” I have to laugh at that one, given that Black and Thorne are the two most common last names in my family and I’ve never seen either of them used for good in fiction. This one managed to unite them together in the form of the uber-douche ruler, the veritable Hitler of Britannia. Thanks, Richard Garriot, I really appreciate it. Awesome, just awesome.

  • http://twitter.com/Das_Bass Das_Bass

    Does this game work in DOSBOX do I need to play 1-4 too fully get this game.

  • Carl

    Pardon my necroposting but … This page is titled “Warriors of Destiny”. The game box shown says “Warriors of Virtue”. Is there a joke I’m missing, or … ?

    • wizzbang

      “Warriors of Virtue” is a mid-to-late ’90s fantasy martial-arts film about kangaroo knights. I wish I could say that I was kidding. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warriors_of_Virtue

      • Garmrspor

        Sounds amazing.

        • wizzbang

          Yeah. *sigh* It did.

          • Garmrspor

            So it’s far from, huh?

          • wizzbang

            The Nostalgia Critic did a scathing review of it. Even he makes it sound more entertaining than it actually was.

          • Garmrspor

            Dayum.

    • Garmrspor

      I’m not sure anything can be considered necroposting in this format.

  • Khalil Sheehan-Miles

    Best pc rpg?
    So I can presume you’ve never played planescape torment then.

    • Garmrspor

      The most overrated game of all time, man. No choices; no role-playing. Skyrim is much better bro.

      • zanmaru

        Planescape: Torment had a great STORY, but as a game is somewhat limited compared to what Ultima V was trying to accomplish. As for Skyrim… ahahahhahahaha. No, no. You’re confusing immersion for roleplaying.

        • Garmrspor

          I was kidding, my man. I do love or at least like Skyrim, but that post was sarcastic; I know what immense height Planescape is held to, and I was trying to pull people’s legs. One person seem to have understood that… or he was actually agreeing with what was said.

          • zanmaru

            Oh. Sarcasm doesn’t translate well to text unless it’s obvious.

          • Garmrspor

            I do acknowledge this fact. I really don’t blame you for taking me seriously.

          • atypicaloracle

            Nah, the minute you called Torment “overrated,” we all stopped taking you seriously.

          • Garmrspor

            Yay! I’m always up for a semantics argument!

          • atypicaloracle

            I was gonna be all that guy who posts the definitions of words and stuff and then I was like, “Nah, screw it. If dude wants to hate on a video game, I don’t actually have to care or anything. He can have an opinion, and I can disagree, and that’s cool.”

  • Daniel Tilson

    The question I have… What happens if you tell Blackthorn the mantra? Does he kill your friend anyway? What happens when you have no friends left? Does he just kill you? If he kills you, wouldn’t that eliminate the need for the guardian to exist in order to balance out the existence of The Avatar and thus save the world from its later fate (Though still leaving the shadowlords around…)

    Okay, I guess those are questions, not a question… But I don’t care.

    I know I’ve played this one before, but I can’t remember anything that happened. Or if I ever tried to tell him the mantra.

    • zanmaru

      Well Spoony inspired me to play through the series starting with Ultima 4, which I just beat. So gimme a day or two and I’ll have your answer.

      • Daniel Tilson

        Any word yet?

        Sorry to sound impatient, but I want to know.. and while I suppose it probably would be easier to just play it myself, You’re already planning to… So I guess if I haven’t heard back in a few days, I’ll replay the game myself.

        I’m going to guess that he assumes you’re lying even if you tell him the correct mantra… Or he kills your friend anyway just to be a dick… But I’m still wondering what happens if you have no friends left and get caught too! >.<

        • Lloyd Rivas

          If you tell him the mantras he will let you go and any allies he didn’t torture to death but if you attempt to try and go back to the shrines they will all be destroyed and it will make the game unwinnable and that will force you to start over.

          If you refuse then he will kill all of your friends then you and it’s game over.

          Anything to do with that last question seems like it would just cause a paradox and it is better to not think about it

          • Daniel Tilson

            So… Basically, getting caught is bad, and you should never ever do it. Gotcha. ^_^

  • JG

    I was totally not expecting to hear Manowar haha.

    By the way I just got a heap of the Ultima games on GOG for only a few dollars.

    • atypicaloracle

      I certainly wasn’t expecting to hear the Wild Arms theme, myself.

  • Book of Keys

    I’m seriously going to play this game. I only played ultima III and IV and loved those games. I do have Ultima V on the Amiga 500. I should pop it in and play it.

  • Hymn

    I’m sure other people have told you about this, but have you played the ‘resurrected’ version of Ultima V by Team Lazarus? It uses Dungeon siege as an engine, but I think everything else is the same. It’s pretty neat. I’d be interested to hear your option of it.

  • theforetoldlegend

    Love your reviews Spoony! Been a fan for years

  • Mark Silveira

    A bunch of themes from Wild Arms in this video, just started playing the first one the other day and good god the soundtrack of that game is glorious.

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