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The Spoony One | May 24 2009 | more notation(s) | 

I think many of you are missing the point of this particular exercise. I’m trying to point out that these are terrible ideas that should never be applauded. A violent exploitation sequel to Manos? Be serious.

And yes, I know that all of these ideas are, without fail, based on some other existing series. I told you, my creativity is completely sapped. Lacking original ideas, the only thoughts I have are slipshod attempts to resurrect or repair already-perished franchises. I lack the ability to create anything new.

That being said, here’s how I’d utterly ruin Terminator!

I am John Connor

At first, I was thinking something along the lines of “John Connor must die” to save the franchise. From the beginning, the series has been somewhat shackled to the belief that John Connor is this mythical “chosen one” who would rally the last remnants of humanity and lead them against the machines. It’s a cool idea, but perhaps something that’s better left to the imagination. I was, to be blunt, unimpressed with the way Terminator Salvation portrayed Connor as humanity’s savior. Why was he so highly-regarded? What made him such a big damn hero as opposed to the others? Because he gave useless advice to people on the radio? Please. We only know he’s the savior of humanity because people from the future told us that he is.

And that’s what killed John Connor. More assuredly than a T-800 shooting his mother between the eyes, knowledge of Judgment Day irrevocably changed the future. It gave Sarah and John forewarning, allowed them to prepare, and set into motion a chain of events radically different than the original timeline. More terminators were sent back, people died, and John was a completely different person than he was in the original timeline when Judgment Day came around. In fact, when John destroyed Cyberdyne, he delayed the original Judgment Day and the timeline really took it in the ass. Now we’re talking about a completely different war, where Connor might not have been important to the war effort at all!

John Connor was a dead man whether Kyle Reese went back in time or not. You could argue that John would never have been born without the time paradox, but that’s the nature of a time paradox; it’s impossible to find the endpoint of a circle, and it had to start somewhere.

Here’s the real truth about John Connor, the first time around, before any robots were sent back to screw the timeline up: he singlehandedly held an assault base perimeter against a sustained, night-long attack when infiltrator terminators killed nearly everyone else on sentry duty. If not for Connor raising the alarm and holding the perimeter for hours against those insane odds, thousands of refugees might have been overrun and killed. Connor became a symbol of heroism, of courage, and of hope. His name became a rallying cry to inspire others to heroic acts, and his voice on the radio inspired fanatical loyalty and suicidal obedience.

He died about six months later.

He died when HKs plasma bombed his command post two years before Skynet even figured out time travel. Skynet didn’t even know Connor had been killed. Neither did most of the Resistance– there’s no way in hell Resistance Command would let that bit of news out.

Look. John Connor was a great warrior, and an inspiring commander. But he was just a man like any other soldier. He was a hero, no doubt, but let’s face it, he got lucky, and Command exploited his name and embellished his story to legendary proportions because the Resistance needed to boost morale. Things were looking hopeless, and Connor was just the kind of story people could latch onto. But really, it could have been anyone.

In fact, that’s the point. He could be anyone. John Connor is a name and a voice, nothing more. He’s the Uncle Sam on recruiting posters. Right now, HQ has about six John Connors running around whipping the troops into shape, leading forlorn hopes into suicide missions. John Connors are dying all the time. Your average Resistance fighter doesn’t know what he looks like; it’s not like he’s on TV. All they might have heard is that he has a scar over his eye, so when Command sends a guy over to lead them and says it’s Connor, who are they to argue?

Skynet doesn’t know what’s hitting it; it doesn’t have the creativity to think that the Resistance might have created a fictional character. It doesn’t know anything about the value of symbolism or the hope Connor inspires in people. To Skynet, this John Connor bastard is everywhere, and he has to die.

Skynet is wasting its time, chasing a phantom and wasting invaluable resources on a target it believes is pivotal to the human war effort. That suits Resistance Command just fine. The longer Skynet devotes resources to killing a dead man, playing whack-a-mole with the half-dozen Connors in the present, the more unfocused it is and unprepared when the Resistance finishes its preparations to strike its final blow.

  • Slyngel

    Actualy not a bad idea. Would sertainly put a nice twist on the whole story and mindfuck alot of fanboys. A bit to creativ though for Hollywood.

  • Slyngel

    Actualy not a bad idea. Would sertainly put a nice twist on the whole story and mindfuck alot of fanboys. A bit to creativ though for Hollywood.

  • Slyngel

    Ohh btw FIRST! ;P

  • Slyngel

    Ohh btw FIRST! ;P

  • Slyngel

    Actualy not a bad idea. Would sertainly put a nice twist on the whole story and mindfuck alot of fanboys. A bit to creativ though for Hollywood.

  • Slyngel

    Ohh btw FIRST! ;P

  • Straker

    Brilliant! I wold go with that. Thing is that it would eliminate having someone like Bale play the part and then they wouldn’t have a huge star to boost the box office sales. I still like your idea better since it would give him almost mythological status with the people fighting for him. Add to that the points you made about what it would do to a machine that lacks true human creative thinking and it would also mean that the machines have been wasting their time and the first films are actually meaningless in almost every way except to seed the name John Connor as an important symbol…OK, maybe this wouldn’t work after all. XD That would be a big middle finger to the fans to tell them that John is unimportant after all. XD DAMN, maybe you SHOULDN’T write screen plays after all. XDDD

  • Straker

    Brilliant! I wold go with that. Thing is that it would eliminate having someone like Bale play the part and then they wouldn’t have a huge star to boost the box office sales. I still like your idea better since it would give him almost mythological status with the people fighting for him. Add to that the points you made about what it would do to a machine that lacks true human creative thinking and it would also mean that the machines have been wasting their time and the first films are actually meaningless in almost every way except to seed the name John Connor as an important symbol…OK, maybe this wouldn’t work after all. XD That would be a big middle finger to the fans to tell them that John is unimportant after all. XD DAMN, maybe you SHOULDN’T write screen plays after all. XDDD

  • Straker

    Brilliant! I wold go with that. Thing is that it would eliminate having someone like Bale play the part and then they wouldn’t have a huge star to boost the box office sales. I still like your idea better since it would give him almost mythological status with the people fighting for him. Add to that the points you made about what it would do to a machine that lacks true human creative thinking and it would also mean that the machines have been wasting their time and the first films are actually meaningless in almost every way except to seed the name John Connor as an important symbol…OK, maybe this wouldn’t work after all. XD That would be a big middle finger to the fans to tell them that John is unimportant after all. XD DAMN, maybe you SHOULDN’T write screen plays after all. XDDD

  • http://www.spoonyexperiment.com/ Spoony

    I wouldn’t say it makes the first two films MEANINGLESS. John Connor was an important character in the war effort, and HQ would like to make sure that he doesn’t die, but is humanity lost without him? I don’t think so, but the point is that Skynet DOES think that, because it isn’t able to fully grasp that John is more than just a person.

  • http://www.spoonyexperiment.com/ Spoony

    I wouldn’t say it makes the first two films MEANINGLESS. John Connor was an important character in the war effort, and HQ would like to make sure that he doesn’t die, but is humanity lost without him? I don’t think so, but the point is that Skynet DOES think that, because it isn’t able to fully grasp that John is more than just a person.

  • http://www.spoonyexperiment.com Spoony

    I wouldn’t say it makes the first two films MEANINGLESS. John Connor was an important character in the war effort, and HQ would like to make sure that he doesn’t die, but is humanity lost without him? I don’t think so, but the point is that Skynet DOES think that, because it isn’t able to fully grasp that John is more than just a person.

  • jonathan

    but didnt he teach them how to make pipe bombs? What i was thinking before they showed john as an adult maybe the terminators killed all the adults and the children were
    too small to show up on their IR sensors and john was the only kid alive to show other kids how to build bombs and stuff. or freakin lazers
    or something. the main thing that pissed me off is why the kept casting other people, edward furlong would have been great in my version cause he still looks young

  • jonathan

    but didnt he teach them how to make pipe bombs? What i was thinking before they showed john as an adult maybe the terminators killed all the adults and the children were
    too small to show up on their IR sensors and john was the only kid alive to show other kids how to build bombs and stuff. or freakin lazers
    or something. the main thing that pissed me off is why the kept casting other people, edward furlong would have been great in my version cause he still looks young

  • jonathan

    but didnt he teach them how to make pipe bombs? What i was thinking before they showed john as an adult maybe the terminators killed all the adults and the children were
    too small to show up on their IR sensors and john was the only kid alive to show other kids how to build bombs and stuff. or freakin lazers
    or something. the main thing that pissed me off is why the kept casting other people, edward furlong would have been great in my version cause he still looks young

  • Straker

    I don’t know, I mean, it just means that Connor only has to live long enough to do the radio thing and lead some people for a short time…then die and let the resistance play pretend. Honestly though I think your idea would make a great and realistic twist if they needed to try something different though. I know that they sure were lacking in imagination with this film.

    I gave up on Hollywood films entirely I think. They really haven’t produced much that I think was really good since 2000. anything really inventive or interesting were made by smaller studios and then distributed by the big ones. Ughhh. Too bad too cause I used to average a movie or two per week from 96 till 1999-ish.

  • Straker

    I don’t know, I mean, it just means that Connor only has to live long enough to do the radio thing and lead some people for a short time…then die and let the resistance play pretend. Honestly though I think your idea would make a great and realistic twist if they needed to try something different though. I know that they sure were lacking in imagination with this film.

    I gave up on Hollywood films entirely I think. They really haven’t produced much that I think was really good since 2000. anything really inventive or interesting were made by smaller studios and then distributed by the big ones. Ughhh. Too bad too cause I used to average a movie or two per week from 96 till 1999-ish.

  • Straker

    I don’t know, I mean, it just means that Connor only has to live long enough to do the radio thing and lead some people for a short time…then die and let the resistance play pretend. Honestly though I think your idea would make a great and realistic twist if they needed to try something different though. I know that they sure were lacking in imagination with this film.

    I gave up on Hollywood films entirely I think. They really haven’t produced much that I think was really good since 2000. anything really inventive or interesting were made by smaller studios and then distributed by the big ones. Ughhh. Too bad too cause I used to average a movie or two per week from 96 till 1999-ish.

  • Andrew The Eternal

    If you are trying to point out horrible ideas that should never be made, you should at least stop picking ones that sound good on paper.

    ;-)

  • Andrew The Eternal

    If you are trying to point out horrible ideas that should never be made, you should at least stop picking ones that sound good on paper.

    ;-)

  • Andrew The Eternal

    If you are trying to point out horrible ideas that should never be made, you should at least stop picking ones that sound good on paper.

    ;-)

  • Zalaralith

    Your “why I should never write screenplay” articles always scare me because none of them seem like something Hollywood wouldn’t do.

  • Zalaralith

    Your “why I should never write screenplay” articles always scare me because none of them seem like something Hollywood wouldn’t do.

  • Zalaralith

    Your “why I should never write screenplay” articles always scare me because none of them seem like something Hollywood wouldn’t do.

  • Lambert

    I’m gonna be blunt. killing John Conner wouldn’t be the right move, they just needed to write the damn character better. but if they keep John Conner as the useless guy shouting “WHAT ARE YOU” after a pleasant conversation with a cyborg, then yeah the should kill him, but no.
    #1 priority is to respect the previous films which this movie didn’t do, and yeah it could have disrespected the films in a more interesting way, but still.

  • Lambert

    I’m gonna be blunt. killing John Conner wouldn’t be the right move, they just needed to write the damn character better. but if they keep John Conner as the useless guy shouting “WHAT ARE YOU” after a pleasant conversation with a cyborg, then yeah the should kill him, but no.
    #1 priority is to respect the previous films which this movie didn’t do, and yeah it could have disrespected the films in a more interesting way, but still.

  • Lambert

    I’m gonna be blunt. killing John Conner wouldn’t be the right move, they just needed to write the damn character better. but if they keep John Conner as the useless guy shouting “WHAT ARE YOU” after a pleasant conversation with a cyborg, then yeah the should kill him, but no.
    #1 priority is to respect the previous films which this movie didn’t do, and yeah it could have disrespected the films in a more interesting way, but still.

  • Zolton

    That’s exactly what Salvation should have been about. It’s a plausible reason as to how the humans will eventually defeat the machines. In the end its about hope not firepower and time travel, something machines can never understand.

  • Zolton

    That’s exactly what Salvation should have been about. It’s a plausible reason as to how the humans will eventually defeat the machines. In the end its about hope not firepower and time travel, something machines can never understand.

  • Zolton

    That’s exactly what Salvation should have been about. It’s a plausible reason as to how the humans will eventually defeat the machines. In the end its about hope not firepower and time travel, something machines can never understand.

  • http://www.mrarmageddon.com/ 1337pete

    I think we should just stick with the alternate ending to Terminator 2 and call it a day.

  • http://www.mrarmageddon.com/ 1337pete

    I think we should just stick with the alternate ending to Terminator 2 and call it a day.

  • http://www.mrarmageddon.com 1337pete

    I think we should just stick with the alternate ending to Terminator 2 and call it a day.

  • http://feedthomas.blogspot.com/ Jo-tom

    Didn’t it turn out in the third one that Connor was killed at some point, fooled by a T-800? It’s as if the “fate is what we make” doesn’t apply at all to the movies. Which really is sad, because it affects the future in the show. Granted, I haven’t watched it in a while, But last time I checked, the uncle who came from the future had come from a different future than his girlfriend.

    Also, while you feel your writing is horrible, Keep in mind that in the show, the robot chick he hangs out with only passes as a retard.

  • http://feedthomas.blogspot.com/ Jo-tom

    Didn’t it turn out in the third one that Connor was killed at some point, fooled by a T-800? It’s as if the “fate is what we make” doesn’t apply at all to the movies. Which really is sad, because it affects the future in the show. Granted, I haven’t watched it in a while, But last time I checked, the uncle who came from the future had come from a different future than his girlfriend.

    Also, while you feel your writing is horrible, Keep in mind that in the show, the robot chick he hangs out with only passes as a retard.

  • http://feedthomas.blogspot.com Jo-tom

    Didn’t it turn out in the third one that Connor was killed at some point, fooled by a T-800? It’s as if the “fate is what we make” doesn’t apply at all to the movies. Which really is sad, because it affects the future in the show. Granted, I haven’t watched it in a while, But last time I checked, the uncle who came from the future had come from a different future than his girlfriend.

    Also, while you feel your writing is horrible, Keep in mind that in the show, the robot chick he hangs out with only passes as a retard.

  • CZ

    Pfffft, Fuckin Anti-Connorite.

  • CZ

    Pfffft, Fuckin Anti-Connorite.

  • CZ

    Pfffft, Fuckin Anti-Connorite.

  • broken_chaos

    The problem with ‘bad’ ideas is that they’re quite often interesting. I’m unsure whether you’re personally coming at this from the perspective of “These are terrible ideas, in any form, and you’re idiots for liking any of them.”, or the perspective of “These are terrible ideas for movies or television series (i.e. screenplays).”. The latter, I can see for many of these (so far) six writings. The former, not so much. As I said, they’re interesting – but would likely not ‘sell’ well to the masses, or would not translate to TV/movies well.

    As far as ‘a violent exploitation sequel to Manos’… I imagine such a movie could never be done right, but if done wrong in just the right way, it would be highly entertaining. Of course, the problem with this is that actually trying to create something bad enough to be entertaining in the ‘wrong way’ is impossible – leaving it as an interesting idea, but not something that should ever really happen. Again, though, I’m not quite sure which way you’re looking at this, as a whole.

  • broken_chaos

    The problem with ‘bad’ ideas is that they’re quite often interesting. I’m unsure whether you’re personally coming at this from the perspective of “These are terrible ideas, in any form, and you’re idiots for liking any of them.”, or the perspective of “These are terrible ideas for movies or television series (i.e. screenplays).”. The latter, I can see for many of these (so far) six writings. The former, not so much. As I said, they’re interesting – but would likely not ‘sell’ well to the masses, or would not translate to TV/movies well.

    As far as ‘a violent exploitation sequel to Manos’… I imagine such a movie could never be done right, but if done wrong in just the right way, it would be highly entertaining. Of course, the problem with this is that actually trying to create something bad enough to be entertaining in the ‘wrong way’ is impossible – leaving it as an interesting idea, but not something that should ever really happen. Again, though, I’m not quite sure which way you’re looking at this, as a whole.

  • broken_chaos

    The problem with ‘bad’ ideas is that they’re quite often interesting. I’m unsure whether you’re personally coming at this from the perspective of “These are terrible ideas, in any form, and you’re idiots for liking any of them.”, or the perspective of “These are terrible ideas for movies or television series (i.e. screenplays).”. The latter, I can see for many of these (so far) six writings. The former, not so much. As I said, they’re interesting – but would likely not ‘sell’ well to the masses, or would not translate to TV/movies well.

    As far as ‘a violent exploitation sequel to Manos’… I imagine such a movie could never be done right, but if done wrong in just the right way, it would be highly entertaining. Of course, the problem with this is that actually trying to create something bad enough to be entertaining in the ‘wrong way’ is impossible – leaving it as an interesting idea, but not something that should ever really happen. Again, though, I’m not quite sure which way you’re looking at this, as a whole.

  • zerosozha

    A lot of the ideas you’ve posted have been awfully silly, but I think this one is crazy enough to work. Imagine a movie centered around “John Conner” only for that man to find out at the climax that he’s not the only John Conner in existence, and that the real one died much earlier.

  • zerosozha

    A lot of the ideas you’ve posted have been awfully silly, but I think this one is crazy enough to work. Imagine a movie centered around “John Conner” only for that man to find out at the climax that he’s not the only John Conner in existence, and that the real one died much earlier.

  • zerosozha

    A lot of the ideas you’ve posted have been awfully silly, but I think this one is crazy enough to work. Imagine a movie centered around “John Conner” only for that man to find out at the climax that he’s not the only John Conner in existence, and that the real one died much earlier.

  • DeathsHead419

    Spoony, with respect, fuck you! Your ideas are awsome. Seriously this shit sounds like epic, awsome stuff, and the fact that it will probably neer be made sould be seen as terrible blow to the culture of the human race.

    Erm…I think I whent over board. Umm, so, ya, your examples of why your souldn’t write still just renienforce just the opposite. You rock!

  • DeathsHead419

    Spoony, with respect, fuck you! Your ideas are awsome. Seriously this shit sounds like epic, awsome stuff, and the fact that it will probably neer be made sould be seen as terrible blow to the culture of the human race.

    Erm…I think I whent over board. Umm, so, ya, your examples of why your souldn’t write still just renienforce just the opposite. You rock!

  • DeathsHead419

    Spoony, with respect, fuck you! Your ideas are awsome. Seriously this shit sounds like epic, awsome stuff, and the fact that it will probably neer be made sould be seen as terrible blow to the culture of the human race.

    Erm…I think I whent over board. Umm, so, ya, your examples of why your souldn’t write still just renienforce just the opposite. You rock!

  • Danimal

    Hmmm, interesting. Kind of like what Gen. Pershing and the US Army did during WWI with their special segregated Native American units. The stories about Native Americans had been so sensationalized oversees through dime store novels and serials, that the image of the Native American had been turned into a blood thirsty master of war. When German or other enemy soldiers heard Native American units were near, there was panic and fear that spread throughout the enemy lines. Sometimes it would manifest itself in mass surrender and sometimes the German units would be so fixated on defending against the Native American units that they would draw men from other places and cause breaks in their own lines. Sort of like Skynet focusing on playing Whack-a-Mole with the John Conners and drawing mass resources to fight just one aspect while ignoring the larger picture.

  • Danimal

    Hmmm, interesting. Kind of like what Gen. Pershing and the US Army did during WWI with their special segregated Native American units. The stories about Native Americans had been so sensationalized oversees through dime store novels and serials, that the image of the Native American had been turned into a blood thirsty master of war. When German or other enemy soldiers heard Native American units were near, there was panic and fear that spread throughout the enemy lines. Sometimes it would manifest itself in mass surrender and sometimes the German units would be so fixated on defending against the Native American units that they would draw men from other places and cause breaks in their own lines. Sort of like Skynet focusing on playing Whack-a-Mole with the John Conners and drawing mass resources to fight just one aspect while ignoring the larger picture.

  • Danimal

    Hmmm, interesting. Kind of like what Gen. Pershing and the US Army did during WWI with their special segregated Native American units. The stories about Native Americans had been so sensationalized oversees through dime store novels and serials, that the image of the Native American had been turned into a blood thirsty master of war. When German or other enemy soldiers heard Native American units were near, there was panic and fear that spread throughout the enemy lines. Sometimes it would manifest itself in mass surrender and sometimes the German units would be so fixated on defending against the Native American units that they would draw men from other places and cause breaks in their own lines. Sort of like Skynet focusing on playing Whack-a-Mole with the John Conners and drawing mass resources to fight just one aspect while ignoring the larger picture.

  • Chad Vision

    You thought the Manos idea was bad? I was planning on making a sequel based off that idea!!!

  • Chad Vision

    You thought the Manos idea was bad? I was planning on making a sequel based off that idea!!!

  • Chad Vision

    You thought the Manos idea was bad? I was planning on making a sequel based off that idea!!!

  • bowenarrow

    This does make the most sense. Originally John was a hero, but due to Skynet sending their own back it altered things and now John knows what’s going to happen and thus his actions are alterned and everything is radically differently only because he “knows” he’s the “the one”. eventually he fucks something up that he wouldn’t of originally done costing him his life and the resistance has to pick up the pieces to keep the men’s morale up and keep them fighting. because everyone else has started to beleive..or he died in the original timeline like you said and everyone thought he was tough shit so they created a lie to keep them going.

    The better ending for the movie would of been John dying and his wife, Kyle, and his other men out spreading wild rumors about John and the things he has done and is currently doing. However why Kyle would then go back in time and say those things to Sarah who knows…unless he himself started beleiving his own lies War is hell afterall. Actually or the war continues and lasts many more years and HIS son John, or daughter Jane, eventually becomes the savior of humanity since fate will always set itself right.

    That’s what I was half expecting to happen until they said “he needs a new heart” and Marcus was standing there giving them his permission to take it,,,,like they were going to ask. Fuck you robot….yonk.

  • bowenarrow

    This does make the most sense. Originally John was a hero, but due to Skynet sending their own back it altered things and now John knows what’s going to happen and thus his actions are alterned and everything is radically differently only because he “knows” he’s the “the one”. eventually he fucks something up that he wouldn’t of originally done costing him his life and the resistance has to pick up the pieces to keep the men’s morale up and keep them fighting. because everyone else has started to beleive..or he died in the original timeline like you said and everyone thought he was tough shit so they created a lie to keep them going.

    The better ending for the movie would of been John dying and his wife, Kyle, and his other men out spreading wild rumors about John and the things he has done and is currently doing. However why Kyle would then go back in time and say those things to Sarah who knows…unless he himself started beleiving his own lies War is hell afterall. Actually or the war continues and lasts many more years and HIS son John, or daughter Jane, eventually becomes the savior of humanity since fate will always set itself right.

    That’s what I was half expecting to happen until they said “he needs a new heart” and Marcus was standing there giving them his permission to take it,,,,like they were going to ask. Fuck you robot….yonk.

  • bowenarrow

    This does make the most sense. Originally John was a hero, but due to Skynet sending their own back it altered things and now John knows what’s going to happen and thus his actions are alterned and everything is radically differently only because he “knows” he’s the “the one”. eventually he fucks something up that he wouldn’t of originally done costing him his life and the resistance has to pick up the pieces to keep the men’s morale up and keep them fighting. because everyone else has started to beleive..or he died in the original timeline like you said and everyone thought he was tough shit so they created a lie to keep them going.

    The better ending for the movie would of been John dying and his wife, Kyle, and his other men out spreading wild rumors about John and the things he has done and is currently doing. However why Kyle would then go back in time and say those things to Sarah who knows…unless he himself started beleiving his own lies War is hell afterall. Actually or the war continues and lasts many more years and HIS son John, or daughter Jane, eventually becomes the savior of humanity since fate will always set itself right.

    That’s what I was half expecting to happen until they said “he needs a new heart” and Marcus was standing there giving them his permission to take it,,,,like they were going to ask. Fuck you robot….yonk.

  • Wrist Watch Mafia

    I think the problem Spoony is that John Conner cannot exist without the time paradox. Kyle Reese says John Conner was the first, when humanity was on the edge, he taught them how to rise up, how to fight back.
    Reese even has a barcode from the camp he was in before Conner rescued him.

    Hence, he’s the chosen one because he knew. He was able to prepare, and think up tactics, and have a basic gameplan for how to beat Skynet. So while humanity is running around with a chicken with its head cut off, he’s like ‘Ok, I’ve put a safe house here, here, and here” and then points out the gas/ammo/food caches he’s planted.
    He knows Terminators will eventually look human, he knows he has to find and destroy Skynet HQ.

    That he isn’t the leader of humanity post-Apocalypse is fucking retarded. That was the whole point of the mountain scene in T3. Everyone’s loosing it, and John Conner steps up. Assumes command, brings order and knowledge to humanity’s forces. No matter how desperate, how out-of-the-blue the machine attack was, that one scarred motherfucker knew this was going to happen, and he’s got a plan.
    And that would save millions during those first few desperate days.

  • Wrist Watch Mafia

    I think the problem Spoony is that John Conner cannot exist without the time paradox. Kyle Reese says John Conner was the first, when humanity was on the edge, he taught them how to rise up, how to fight back.
    Reese even has a barcode from the camp he was in before Conner rescued him.

    Hence, he’s the chosen one because he knew. He was able to prepare, and think up tactics, and have a basic gameplan for how to beat Skynet. So while humanity is running around with a chicken with its head cut off, he’s like ‘Ok, I’ve put a safe house here, here, and here” and then points out the gas/ammo/food caches he’s planted.
    He knows Terminators will eventually look human, he knows he has to find and destroy Skynet HQ.

    That he isn’t the leader of humanity post-Apocalypse is fucking retarded. That was the whole point of the mountain scene in T3. Everyone’s loosing it, and John Conner steps up. Assumes command, brings order and knowledge to humanity’s forces. No matter how desperate, how out-of-the-blue the machine attack was, that one scarred motherfucker knew this was going to happen, and he’s got a plan.
    And that would save millions during those first few desperate days.

  • Wrist Watch Mafia

    I think the problem Spoony is that John Conner cannot exist without the time paradox. Kyle Reese says John Conner was the first, when humanity was on the edge, he taught them how to rise up, how to fight back.
    Reese even has a barcode from the camp he was in before Conner rescued him.

    Hence, he’s the chosen one because he knew. He was able to prepare, and think up tactics, and have a basic gameplan for how to beat Skynet. So while humanity is running around with a chicken with its head cut off, he’s like ‘Ok, I’ve put a safe house here, here, and here” and then points out the gas/ammo/food caches he’s planted.
    He knows Terminators will eventually look human, he knows he has to find and destroy Skynet HQ.

    That he isn’t the leader of humanity post-Apocalypse is fucking retarded. That was the whole point of the mountain scene in T3. Everyone’s loosing it, and John Conner steps up. Assumes command, brings order and knowledge to humanity’s forces. No matter how desperate, how out-of-the-blue the machine attack was, that one scarred motherfucker knew this was going to happen, and he’s got a plan.
    And that would save millions during those first few desperate days.

  • http://forums.wolverinefiles.com/site/ Gorvar

    Your should be writing these ideas down dude, seriously, it’s a AWESOME idea.

  • http://forums.wolverinefiles.com/site/ Gorvar

    Your should be writing these ideas down dude, seriously, it’s a AWESOME idea.

  • http://forums.wolverinefiles.com/site/ Gorvar

    Your should be writing these ideas down dude, seriously, it’s a AWESOME idea.

  • NucleaRaptor

    >>I think many of you are missing the point of this particular exercise. I’m trying to point out that these are terrible ideas that should never be applauded. A violent exploitation sequel to Manos? Be serious. And yes, I know that all of these ideas are, without fail, based on some other existing series. I told you, my creativity is completely sapped. Lacking original ideas, the only thoughts I have are slipshod attempts to resurrect or repair already-perished franchises. I lack the ability to create anything new.

    Are you trying to be modest? GTFO.
    This shit is UTTER BRILLIANCE. If this was the plot of the actual next Terminator movie,I would watch the fuck out of it.

  • NucleaRaptor

    >>I think many of you are missing the point of this particular exercise. I’m trying to point out that these are terrible ideas that should never be applauded. A violent exploitation sequel to Manos? Be serious. And yes, I know that all of these ideas are, without fail, based on some other existing series. I told you, my creativity is completely sapped. Lacking original ideas, the only thoughts I have are slipshod attempts to resurrect or repair already-perished franchises. I lack the ability to create anything new.

    Are you trying to be modest? GTFO.
    This shit is UTTER BRILLIANCE. If this was the plot of the actual next Terminator movie,I would watch the fuck out of it.

  • NucleaRaptor

    >>I think many of you are missing the point of this particular exercise. I’m trying to point out that these are terrible ideas that should never be applauded. A violent exploitation sequel to Manos? Be serious. And yes, I know that all of these ideas are, without fail, based on some other existing series. I told you, my creativity is completely sapped. Lacking original ideas, the only thoughts I have are slipshod attempts to resurrect or repair already-perished franchises. I lack the ability to create anything new.

    Are you trying to be modest? GTFO.
    This shit is UTTER BRILLIANCE. If this was the plot of the actual next Terminator movie,I would watch the fuck out of it.

  • http://forums.wolverinefiles.com/site/ Gorvar

    And Spoony makes it look plausible to.

  • http://forums.wolverinefiles.com/site/ Gorvar

    And Spoony makes it look plausible to.

  • http://forums.wolverinefiles.com/site/ Gorvar

    And Spoony makes it look plausible to.

  • Rankaratar

    That’s actually a pretty good idea.
    A twist ending worthy of M Night Shamalan!

    Well, maybe not on that level.

    Regardless, this is still a nice parodying of the usual immortal movie war hero, because in becoming fictional, he actually DOES become immortal! Why did Hollywood not recognise your genius? The enevitable spinoffs could revolve around other heroes of the apocalyse, John Conner could never have done it alone.
    Plus it would’ve involved killing Christian Bale. THAT I would pay to see.

  • Rankaratar

    That’s actually a pretty good idea.
    A twist ending worthy of M Night Shamalan!

    Well, maybe not on that level.

    Regardless, this is still a nice parodying of the usual immortal movie war hero, because in becoming fictional, he actually DOES become immortal! Why did Hollywood not recognise your genius? The enevitable spinoffs could revolve around other heroes of the apocalyse, John Conner could never have done it alone.
    Plus it would’ve involved killing Christian Bale. THAT I would pay to see.

  • Rankaratar

    That’s actually a pretty good idea.
    A twist ending worthy of M Night Shamalan!

    Well, maybe not on that level.

    Regardless, this is still a nice parodying of the usual immortal movie war hero, because in becoming fictional, he actually DOES become immortal! Why did Hollywood not recognise your genius? The enevitable spinoffs could revolve around other heroes of the apocalyse, John Conner could never have done it alone.
    Plus it would’ve involved killing Christian Bale. THAT I would pay to see.

  • http://Newgrounds.com/ Frank

    It’s interesting, but I’d prefer the idea reversed, Humanity fighting the ghost, Skynet not existing. I can’t sympathize with a computer, but I could sympathize with the humans wasting precious resources and time fighting something that never needed to be fought in the first place.

  • http://Newgrounds.com/ Frank

    It’s interesting, but I’d prefer the idea reversed, Humanity fighting the ghost, Skynet not existing. I can’t sympathize with a computer, but I could sympathize with the humans wasting precious resources and time fighting something that never needed to be fought in the first place.

  • http://Newgrounds.com Frank

    It’s interesting, but I’d prefer the idea reversed, Humanity fighting the ghost, Skynet not existing. I can’t sympathize with a computer, but I could sympathize with the humans wasting precious resources and time fighting something that never needed to be fought in the first place.

  • http://www.coldfusioninacan.com/ The Mad Scientist, J.C.

    This is actually a pretty good idea. It would go over too many Action movie fans heads though. The concept would get trashed before it ever made it to the filming stage. No one wants an innovative story anymore just run, gun, blow shit up, rinse, and repeat.

  • http://www.coldfusioninacan.com/ The Mad Scientist, J.C.

    This is actually a pretty good idea. It would go over too many Action movie fans heads though. The concept would get trashed before it ever made it to the filming stage. No one wants an innovative story anymore just run, gun, blow shit up, rinse, and repeat.

  • Xeno

    The only thing I’m afraid of about the future, is that (if) there are niggers.

  • Xeno

    The only thing I’m afraid of about the future, is that (if) there are niggers.

  • http://www.coldfusioninacan.com The Mad Scientist, J.C.

    This is actually a pretty good idea. It would go over too many Action movie fans heads though. The concept would get trashed before it ever made it to the filming stage. No one wants an innovative story anymore just run, gun, blow shit up, rinse, and repeat.

  • Xeno

    The only thing I’m afraid of about the future, is that (if) there are niggers.

  • A-kun

    This is, without a doubt, an awesome idea. Probably the best of all. Not only does it set up a brilliant tactic that could and would be used by military leaders, it also sets up the probability that Skynet WILL fall, and shows why: It has no creativity. It might have learned some tricks, but at the end of the day, it’s just a mass of 1s and 0s, thrice as fallible as those who made it.

  • A-kun

    This is, without a doubt, an awesome idea. Probably the best of all. Not only does it set up a brilliant tactic that could and would be used by military leaders, it also sets up the probability that Skynet WILL fall, and shows why: It has no creativity. It might have learned some tricks, but at the end of the day, it’s just a mass of 1s and 0s, thrice as fallible as those who made it.

  • A-kun

    This is, without a doubt, an awesome idea. Probably the best of all. Not only does it set up a brilliant tactic that could and would be used by military leaders, it also sets up the probability that Skynet WILL fall, and shows why: It has no creativity. It might have learned some tricks, but at the end of the day, it’s just a mass of 1s and 0s, thrice as fallible as those who made it.

  • Jared

    A very cynical, and upsettingly more believable turn for the series than anything else in the franchise. Deep, thought -provoking, and much darker than even the original film. Too bad it will never get made, and too bad you write these up and seem to honestly believe they’re bad ideas. I still contend that Manos: The Hands of Vengeance would be a sweeping success.

    Honestly, I’d just be happy if someone could explain to me how liquid metal is programmable. I mean, I get the T-X, because she was an endoskeleton covered in nanites that resembled the T-1000’s liquid metal, but in T-2, they just say it’s liquid metal. How?! How do imprint data on a blob of goo? They might as well have sent Jell-O back in time to kill him.

  • Jared

    A very cynical, and upsettingly more believable turn for the series than anything else in the franchise. Deep, thought -provoking, and much darker than even the original film. Too bad it will never get made, and too bad you write these up and seem to honestly believe they’re bad ideas. I still contend that Manos: The Hands of Vengeance would be a sweeping success.

    Honestly, I’d just be happy if someone could explain to me how liquid metal is programmable. I mean, I get the T-X, because she was an endoskeleton covered in nanites that resembled the T-1000’s liquid metal, but in T-2, they just say it’s liquid metal. How?! How do imprint data on a blob of goo? They might as well have sent Jell-O back in time to kill him.

  • Jared

    A very cynical, and upsettingly more believable turn for the series than anything else in the franchise. Deep, thought -provoking, and much darker than even the original film. Too bad it will never get made, and too bad you write these up and seem to honestly believe they’re bad ideas. I still contend that Manos: The Hands of Vengeance would be a sweeping success.

    Honestly, I’d just be happy if someone could explain to me how liquid metal is programmable. I mean, I get the T-X, because she was an endoskeleton covered in nanites that resembled the T-1000’s liquid metal, but in T-2, they just say it’s liquid metal. How?! How do imprint data on a blob of goo? They might as well have sent Jell-O back in time to kill him.

  • Aradiel

    It’s an interesting idea for future development of the franchise, but I feel that there are at least two problems:

    1) In Terminator 2 Arnie states that John is the person who reprogrammed him. You might be able to say that they claimed John did (because, even a sophisticated AI isn’t going to be fantastic and judging how people looked when younger or will look when older)
    2) I thought the very point of the first film, especially the deleted ending, was that the circle *didn’t* have to start somewhere. No-one drew the circle, it was just there. The other films distorted the circle, but it was still there, never broken, never starting, just being.

  • Aradiel

    It’s an interesting idea for future development of the franchise, but I feel that there are at least two problems:

    1) In Terminator 2 Arnie states that John is the person who reprogrammed him. You might be able to say that they claimed John did (because, even a sophisticated AI isn’t going to be fantastic and judging how people looked when younger or will look when older)
    2) I thought the very point of the first film, especially the deleted ending, was that the circle *didn’t* have to start somewhere. No-one drew the circle, it was just there. The other films distorted the circle, but it was still there, never broken, never starting, just being.

  • Aradiel

    It’s an interesting idea for future development of the franchise, but I feel that there are at least two problems:

    1) In Terminator 2 Arnie states that John is the person who reprogrammed him. You might be able to say that they claimed John did (because, even a sophisticated AI isn’t going to be fantastic and judging how people looked when younger or will look when older)
    2) I thought the very point of the first film, especially the deleted ending, was that the circle *didn’t* have to start somewhere. No-one drew the circle, it was just there. The other films distorted the circle, but it was still there, never broken, never starting, just being.

  • Unique

    Seriously, even though you are making fun of how unsound your plots are, some of that stuff is fucking brilliant! I really hope you’ll get the chance to pitch some of your more inspired ideas in the future.

  • Unique

    Seriously, even though you are making fun of how unsound your plots are, some of that stuff is fucking brilliant! I really hope you’ll get the chance to pitch some of your more inspired ideas in the future.

  • Unique

    Seriously, even though you are making fun of how unsound your plots are, some of that stuff is fucking brilliant! I really hope you’ll get the chance to pitch some of your more inspired ideas in the future.

  • C4

    John Connor Does die, the T from T3 says
    “I kill you”
    so the T from T3 must kill him get captured reprogramed and sent back to help him. : nub

  • C4

    John Connor Does die, the T from T3 says
    “I kill you”
    so the T from T3 must kill him get captured reprogramed and sent back to help him. : nub

  • C4

    John Connor Does die, the T from T3 says
    “I kill you”
    so the T from T3 must kill him get captured reprogramed and sent back to help him. :\ nub

  • theo

    “Missing the point of this particular exercise”? Fuck off Spoony. You might rip-off old ideas, but you bring new ones along to make them interesting again (beats T4 anyway). Accept the fact that you got potential at narrative writting and stop being a little cry baby (with a fat jew nose) about it. When you’ll feel more confident try to create something of your own, but that sort of practice is very good (love the big brother twist you brought, way better than the crap you wrote before). And remember, you’re bound to write shit your first time doing something original (unless you’re a genius, which you’re not), don’t be discouraged and write some more.

    We’ll be there to support you and trash your first mesirable attempts at writing fictions. :D

  • theo

    “Missing the point of this particular exercise”? Fuck off Spoony. You might rip-off old ideas, but you bring new ones along to make them interesting again (beats T4 anyway). Accept the fact that you got potential at narrative writting and stop being a little cry baby (with a fat jew nose) about it. When you’ll feel more confident try to create something of your own, but that sort of practice is very good (love the big brother twist you brought, way better than the crap you wrote before). And remember, you’re bound to write shit your first time doing something original (unless you’re a genius, which you’re not), don’t be discouraged and write some more.

    We’ll be there to support you and trash your first mesirable attempts at writing fictions. :D

  • theo

    “Missing the point of this particular exercise”? Fuck off Spoony. You might rip-off old ideas, but you bring new ones along to make them interesting again (beats T4 anyway). Accept the fact that you got potential at narrative writting and stop being a little cry baby (with a fat jew nose) about it. When you’ll feel more confident try to create something of your own, but that sort of practice is very good (love the big brother twist you brought, way better than the crap you wrote before). And remember, you’re bound to write shit your first time doing something original (unless you’re a genius, which you’re not), don’t be discouraged and write some more.

    We’ll be there to support you and trash your first mesirable attempts at writing fictions. :D

  • DrGero

    Very interesting. I like very much.

  • DrGero

    Very interesting. I like very much.

  • DrGero

    Very interesting. I like very much.

  • Madz

    I fail how to see this is a bad storyline, humans using a fictional image to raise morale and at the same time throw skynet into a crisis, it’s pure genius. I wonder how this movie would end tough…maybe a classic “painful truth that will fuck shit up vs lie that keeps the ball rolling to the good guys”.

  • Madz

    I fail how to see this is a bad storyline, humans using a fictional image to raise morale and at the same time throw skynet into a crisis, it’s pure genius. I wonder how this movie would end tough…maybe a classic “painful truth that will fuck shit up vs lie that keeps the ball rolling to the good guys”.

  • Madz

    I fail how to see this is a bad storyline, humans using a fictional image to raise morale and at the same time throw skynet into a crisis, it’s pure genius. I wonder how this movie would end tough…maybe a classic “painful truth that will fuck shit up vs lie that keeps the ball rolling to the good guys”.

  • sinister agent

    I realise this has all been tongue-in-cheek and all, but there is actually a really good idea in this one. It certainly would get around the john connor paradox thing, and makes a cynical kind of sense – propaganda wouldn’t disappear just because the war is against machines. It could be interesting too, to see a John Connor thinking he was great and finding out that actually, he’s a bit crap and the humans were onto a winner regardless, simply thanks to his utility as a diversion. His whole life ruined just to distract attention from the real heroes? That’d give him even more reason to whine and bitch like a tiresome git than he had in the third one.

  • sinister agent

    I realise this has all been tongue-in-cheek and all, but there is actually a really good idea in this one. It certainly would get around the john connor paradox thing, and makes a cynical kind of sense – propaganda wouldn’t disappear just because the war is against machines. It could be interesting too, to see a John Connor thinking he was great and finding out that actually, he’s a bit crap and the humans were onto a winner regardless, simply thanks to his utility as a diversion. His whole life ruined just to distract attention from the real heroes? That’d give him even more reason to whine and bitch like a tiresome git than he had in the third one.

  • sinister agent

    I realise this has all been tongue-in-cheek and all, but there is actually a really good idea in this one. It certainly would get around the john connor paradox thing, and makes a cynical kind of sense – propaganda wouldn’t disappear just because the war is against machines. It could be interesting too, to see a John Connor thinking he was great and finding out that actually, he’s a bit crap and the humans were onto a winner regardless, simply thanks to his utility as a diversion. His whole life ruined just to distract attention from the real heroes? That’d give him even more reason to whine and bitch like a tiresome git than he had in the third one.

  • Rob

    That’s…. Actually one of the best ideas for a plot twist in a movie franchise I’ve ever heard. No Joking.

  • Rob

    That’s…. Actually one of the best ideas for a plot twist in a movie franchise I’ve ever heard. No Joking.

  • Rob

    That’s…. Actually one of the best ideas for a plot twist in a movie franchise I’ve ever heard. No Joking.

  • Jokke_r

    Whats interesting is that, if there is an original John Connor, in a timeline before time travel occured, then he is not the same John Connor we all know because Kyle Reese cannot be his father.
    Logically the John Connor of the future in T1 knows Reese is his dad, otherwise he wouldn’t have given Reese the picture of his mother. But spoonys idea sounds good and fits in as the original timeline. Some random John Connor douche who isn’t even genetically the same as the later John Connor. Anyways, skynet invents time travel and will attempt to destroy john in the past before he is born. The resistance fighters break into the facility but they are too late, they are not so much sending back a man to save John Connor (Since they know he’s not really important) they are going back to destroy the Terminator which can seriously damage the timeline making Judgement Day come sooner. So they send another random douche called Kyle Reese through they tell him to protect Connors mom (cos they know thats where the t-800 is heading) But then one thing leads to another and boom Sarah is preggo. Now from this new timelines future is where the terminator movies would start.

  • Jokke_r

    Whats interesting is that, if there is an original John Connor, in a timeline before time travel occured, then he is not the same John Connor we all know because Kyle Reese cannot be his father.
    Logically the John Connor of the future in T1 knows Reese is his dad, otherwise he wouldn’t have given Reese the picture of his mother. But spoonys idea sounds good and fits in as the original timeline. Some random John Connor douche who isn’t even genetically the same as the later John Connor. Anyways, skynet invents time travel and will attempt to destroy john in the past before he is born. The resistance fighters break into the facility but they are too late, they are not so much sending back a man to save John Connor (Since they know he’s not really important) they are going back to destroy the Terminator which can seriously damage the timeline making Judgement Day come sooner. So they send another random douche called Kyle Reese through they tell him to protect Connors mom (cos they know thats where the t-800 is heading) But then one thing leads to another and boom Sarah is preggo. Now from this new timelines future is where the terminator movies would start.

  • Jokke_r

    Whats interesting is that, if there is an original John Connor, in a timeline before time travel occured, then he is not the same John Connor we all know because Kyle Reese cannot be his father.
    Logically the John Connor of the future in T1 knows Reese is his dad, otherwise he wouldn’t have given Reese the picture of his mother. But spoonys idea sounds good and fits in as the original timeline. Some random John Connor douche who isn’t even genetically the same as the later John Connor. Anyways, skynet invents time travel and will attempt to destroy john in the past before he is born. The resistance fighters break into the facility but they are too late, they are not so much sending back a man to save John Connor (Since they know he’s not really important) they are going back to destroy the Terminator which can seriously damage the timeline making Judgement Day come sooner. So they send another random douche called Kyle Reese through they tell him to protect Connors mom (cos they know thats where the t-800 is heading) But then one thing leads to another and boom Sarah is preggo. Now from this new timelines future is where the terminator movies would start.

  • Doc Holidae

    would’ve saved Salvation. that’s for damned sure, spoony.

  • Doc Holidae

    would’ve saved Salvation. that’s for damned sure, spoony.

  • Doc Holidae

    would’ve saved Salvation. that’s for damned sure, spoony.

  • Medusa

    Wow…most of these are pretty much outta left field, but this one makes a good deal of sense. I like that idea, and it seems kind of obvious now that you’ve thrown it out there. I hope they make another movie just to resolve this idea into the canon.

  • Medusa

    Wow…most of these are pretty much outta left field, but this one makes a good deal of sense. I like that idea, and it seems kind of obvious now that you’ve thrown it out there. I hope they make another movie just to resolve this idea into the canon.

  • Medusa

    Wow…most of these are pretty much outta left field, but this one makes a good deal of sense. I like that idea, and it seems kind of obvious now that you’ve thrown it out there. I hope they make another movie just to resolve this idea into the canon.

  • Kevin Holsinger

    This is actually quite a good idea. It’s got James Cameron’s level of intelligence, though perhaps bleaker than where he’d go.

    Also, if you want to be more original, you might try inserting Dr. Insano into sci-fi movies like Terminator, and rewriting the story to match his character. For example: use “Terminator 2″ ‘s plot, but replace Miles Dyson with Dr. Insano.

  • Kevin Holsinger

    This is actually quite a good idea. It’s got James Cameron’s level of intelligence, though perhaps bleaker than where he’d go.

    Also, if you want to be more original, you might try inserting Dr. Insano into sci-fi movies like Terminator, and rewriting the story to match his character. For example: use “Terminator 2″ ‘s plot, but replace Miles Dyson with Dr. Insano.

  • Mecahawk

    Ah, okay. So he would be more like a John “Conner” in a deception of the machines.

  • Mecahawk

    Ah, okay. So he would be more like a John “Conner” in a deception of the machines.

  • Kevin Holsinger

    This is actually quite a good idea. It’s got James Cameron’s level of intelligence, though perhaps bleaker than where he’d go.

    Also, if you want to be more original, you might try inserting Dr. Insano into sci-fi movies like Terminator, and rewriting the story to match his character. For example: use “Terminator 2″ ‘s plot, but replace Miles Dyson with Dr. Insano.

  • Mecahawk

    Ah, okay. So he would be more like a John “Conner” in a deception of the machines.

  • Chaosdada

    You say these ideas are terrible, but most of them are better than the stuff they are based on.

  • Chaosdada

    You say these ideas are terrible, but most of them are better than the stuff they are based on.

  • Chaosdada

    You say these ideas are terrible, but most of them are better than the stuff they are based on.

  • tee

    I like it. I picture the cover of catch me if you can with john Connor and a terminator for some reason though

  • tee

    I like it. I picture the cover of catch me if you can with john Connor and a terminator for some reason though

  • tee

    I like it. I picture the cover of catch me if you can with john Connor and a terminator for some reason though

  • Palatom

    I thought your review of Terminator Salvation was overly critical. But you did bring up a few good points. And despite the fact that I still somehow enjoyed the film, the ideas you have presented here are much better. Christian Bale eat your heart out with a Spoon! (pun intended)

    Therefore, I offer my applause.

  • Palatom

    I thought your review of Terminator Salvation was overly critical. But you did bring up a few good points. And despite the fact that I still somehow enjoyed the film, the ideas you have presented here are much better. Christian Bale eat your heart out with a Spoon! (pun intended)

    Therefore, I offer my applause.

  • Palatom

    I thought your review of Terminator Salvation was overly critical. But you did bring up a few good points. And despite the fact that I still somehow enjoyed the film, the ideas you have presented here are much better. Christian Bale eat your heart out with a Spoon! (pun intended)

    Therefore, I offer my applause.

  • worrynot

    This is a well-written academic thesis involving propaganda in warfare using a theory based around the Terminator movies as an example. I think you said you majored in computer science Spoony, but you could write some kickass articles based on your political analysis. Very talented.

  • worrynot

    This is a well-written academic thesis involving propaganda in warfare using a theory based around the Terminator movies as an example. I think you said you majored in computer science Spoony, but you could write some kickass articles based on your political analysis. Very talented.

  • worrynot

    This is a well-written academic thesis involving propaganda in warfare using a theory based around the Terminator movies as an example. I think you said you majored in computer science Spoony, but you could write some kickass articles based on your political analysis. Very talented.

  • FiremindX

    Spoony, stop caling it reasons you shouldn’t write screenplays. This idea is all kinds of kick ass. The thing with it though is that it probably fits better as a book, why? because Hollywood is so governed by money that they don’t dare to take risks with something of this sort, so they pander to the sort of people they think watch films these days, they assume people are morons and wouldn’t like and flock to a movie with a cold, hard message like in your screenplay.

    The thing is that the joining of a franchise that we nerd love and a deep, dark and gritty storyline like your would be golden. Hell, have this movie be John Conner’s raise to hero status and saviour-ness and end it with his death in a heroic if slightly fanatic way. Then end the movie with a Dark Knight esque monologue where a voice states that John’s example must be followed, we must all look to this man for inspriation and guidence…even iff that means lies and deciet to cover up his death, we must take up the fallen mantle of John Connor and give people hope…give people inspiration…give people a saviour that died for our freedom.

    THAT is a Terminator movie I would love to go and see.

  • FiremindX

    Spoony, stop caling it reasons you shouldn’t write screenplays. This idea is all kinds of kick ass. The thing with it though is that it probably fits better as a book, why? because Hollywood is so governed by money that they don’t dare to take risks with something of this sort, so they pander to the sort of people they think watch films these days, they assume people are morons and wouldn’t like and flock to a movie with a cold, hard message like in your screenplay.

    The thing is that the joining of a franchise that we nerd love and a deep, dark and gritty storyline like your would be golden. Hell, have this movie be John Conner’s raise to hero status and saviour-ness and end it with his death in a heroic if slightly fanatic way. Then end the movie with a Dark Knight esque monologue where a voice states that John’s example must be followed, we must all look to this man for inspriation and guidence…even iff that means lies and deciet to cover up his death, we must take up the fallen mantle of John Connor and give people hope…give people inspiration…give people a saviour that died for our freedom.

    THAT is a Terminator movie I would love to go and see.

  • FiremindX

    Spoony, stop caling it reasons you shouldn’t write screenplays. This idea is all kinds of kick ass. The thing with it though is that it probably fits better as a book, why? because Hollywood is so governed by money that they don’t dare to take risks with something of this sort, so they pander to the sort of people they think watch films these days, they assume people are morons and wouldn’t like and flock to a movie with a cold, hard message like in your screenplay.

    The thing is that the joining of a franchise that we nerd love and a deep, dark and gritty storyline like your would be golden. Hell, have this movie be John Conner’s raise to hero status and saviour-ness and end it with his death in a heroic if slightly fanatic way. Then end the movie with a Dark Knight esque monologue where a voice states that John’s example must be followed, we must all look to this man for inspriation and guidence…even iff that means lies and deciet to cover up his death, we must take up the fallen mantle of John Connor and give people hope…give people inspiration…give people a saviour that died for our freedom.

    THAT is a Terminator movie I would love to go and see.

  • SpoonyFanNumbarWon!

    Hey Spoony, I just wanted to say that over the past week or two I’ve watched almost all your videos and I love the way you review. You really dig deep into every game and movie. I also wanted to say that based on your Watchmen review, I immediately ordered a copy of the book after watching. I haven’t read a comic in at least 15 years, and back then I barely cared about them anyway, but you made the case for Watchmen and now I’m eagerly waiting to read it. Just thought you should know.

  • SpoonyFanNumbarWon!

    Hey Spoony, I just wanted to say that over the past week or two I’ve watched almost all your videos and I love the way you review. You really dig deep into every game and movie. I also wanted to say that based on your Watchmen review, I immediately ordered a copy of the book after watching. I haven’t read a comic in at least 15 years, and back then I barely cared about them anyway, but you made the case for Watchmen and now I’m eagerly waiting to read it. Just thought you should know.

  • SpoonyFanNumbarWon!

    Hey Spoony, I just wanted to say that over the past week or two I’ve watched almost all your videos and I love the way you review. You really dig deep into every game and movie. I also wanted to say that based on your Watchmen review, I immediately ordered a copy of the book after watching. I haven’t read a comic in at least 15 years, and back then I barely cared about them anyway, but you made the case for Watchmen and now I’m eagerly waiting to read it. Just thought you should know.

  • HeartBurnKid

    I would have actually preferred this over the movie we got. And I enjoyed the movie.

  • HeartBurnKid

    I would have actually preferred this over the movie we got. And I enjoyed the movie.

  • HeartBurnKid

    I would have actually preferred this over the movie we got. And I enjoyed the movie.

  • Dectilon

    Do you take requests for these? Recently, with all the attempts at making video game movies, I’ve been thinking about how one would go about making a movie out of Metroid without it being some kind of AvP-crap.

  • Dectilon

    Do you take requests for these? Recently, with all the attempts at making video game movies, I’ve been thinking about how one would go about making a movie out of Metroid without it being some kind of AvP-crap.

  • Dectilon

    Do you take requests for these? Recently, with all the attempts at making video game movies, I’ve been thinking about how one would go about making a movie out of Metroid without it being some kind of AvP-crap.

  • Ghizguth

    Great story actually. It fits and adds a nice little twist. I like it! Turn that into a movie and I will go see it.

  • Ghizguth

    Great story actually. It fits and adds a nice little twist. I like it! Turn that into a movie and I will go see it.

  • Ghizguth

    Great story actually. It fits and adds a nice little twist. I like it! Turn that into a movie and I will go see it.

  • Sky Render

    Now see, the problem with your argument that these are horrible ideas is, that wasn’t a horrible idea. That was actually pretty damned good, and probably about the only way they could spare the Terminator storyline at this point from getting even more hackneyed in trying to justify John Connor’s importance as a person instead of as a symbol. It would just do away with all this nonsense of the person being important and get back to the point that the first and second movie tried to convey: that John Connor is the symbol of the human resistance, and thus SkyNet wanted to eliminate the source of that symbol before it became so powerful.

  • Sky Render

    Now see, the problem with your argument that these are horrible ideas is, that wasn’t a horrible idea. That was actually pretty damned good, and probably about the only way they could spare the Terminator storyline at this point from getting even more hackneyed in trying to justify John Connor’s importance as a person instead of as a symbol. It would just do away with all this nonsense of the person being important and get back to the point that the first and second movie tried to convey: that John Connor is the symbol of the human resistance, and thus SkyNet wanted to eliminate the source of that symbol before it became so powerful.

  • Sky Render

    Now see, the problem with your argument that these are horrible ideas is, that wasn’t a horrible idea. That was actually pretty damned good, and probably about the only way they could spare the Terminator storyline at this point from getting even more hackneyed in trying to justify John Connor’s importance as a person instead of as a symbol. It would just do away with all this nonsense of the person being important and get back to the point that the first and second movie tried to convey: that John Connor is the symbol of the human resistance, and thus SkyNet wanted to eliminate the source of that symbol before it became so powerful.

  • Sato

    This is the polar opposite of standard hollywood script writing. You say it’s terrible, when in reality these ideas could be monumentally awesome. Whereas the average writer will think his ideas are gold, only to have them shat on by critics. Maybe it’s because you’re a critic; it’s your job to shit all over something and point out its flaws, so you can’t help doing it even to your own good ideas. Sure, some of them are ridiculously campy, but that’s not necessarily a bad thing.

  • Sato

    This is the polar opposite of standard hollywood script writing. You say it’s terrible, when in reality these ideas could be monumentally awesome. Whereas the average writer will think his ideas are gold, only to have them shat on by critics. Maybe it’s because you’re a critic; it’s your job to shit all over something and point out its flaws, so you can’t help doing it even to your own good ideas. Sure, some of them are ridiculously campy, but that’s not necessarily a bad thing.

  • Sato

    This is the polar opposite of standard hollywood script writing. You say it’s terrible, when in reality these ideas could be monumentally awesome. Whereas the average writer will think his ideas are gold, only to have them shat on by critics. Maybe it’s because you’re a critic; it’s your job to shit all over something and point out its flaws, so you can’t help doing it even to your own good ideas. Sure, some of them are ridiculously campy, but that’s not necessarily a bad thing.

  • vanilla

    that would be better than the original terminator salvation

  • vanilla

    that would be better than the original terminator salvation

  • vanilla

    that would be better than the original terminator salvation

  • Renaissance_nerd

    Well as Kyle said to Sarah in the first movie taking out Connor in the future wouldn’t matter because he had already gave the humans the will to fight back. So really Connor is only important in the first few months or whatever after judgment day. After the humans start fighting back Connor’s value as this “great military leader” diminishes rapidly. Once the plan is in place the men carry it out not you.

    Skynet is loosing the war as we find out in T2. It was a last act of desperation to send a terminator back in time to kill Sarah and John in the past.

    However i think as most things go if Connor was to die in the future the power of his martyr would raise the humans to a new level of badassery much like “remember Pearl harbor”. So strictly speaking for the cause it actually would be beneficial for Connor to get “Terminated”.

    awesome idea Spoony and much better then anything the professionals are giving us.

  • Renaissance_nerd

    Well as Kyle said to Sarah in the first movie taking out Connor in the future wouldn’t matter because he had already gave the humans the will to fight back. So really Connor is only important in the first few months or whatever after judgment day. After the humans start fighting back Connor’s value as this “great military leader” diminishes rapidly. Once the plan is in place the men carry it out not you.

    Skynet is loosing the war as we find out in T2. It was a last act of desperation to send a terminator back in time to kill Sarah and John in the past.

    However i think as most things go if Connor was to die in the future the power of his martyr would raise the humans to a new level of badassery much like “remember Pearl harbor”. So strictly speaking for the cause it actually would be beneficial for Connor to get “Terminated”.

    awesome idea Spoony and much better then anything the professionals are giving us.

  • AMDfreak

    Well as Kyle said to Sarah in the first movie taking out Connor in the future wouldn’t matter because he had already gave the humans the will to fight back. So really Connor is only important in the first few months or whatever after judgment day. After the humans start fighting back Connor’s value as this “great military leader” diminishes rapidly. Once the plan is in place the men carry it out not you.

    Skynet is loosing the war as we find out in T2. It was a last act of desperation to send a terminator back in time to kill Sarah and John in the past.

    However i think as most things go if Connor was to die in the future the power of his martyr would raise the humans to a new level of badassery much like “remember Pearl harbor”. So strictly speaking for the cause it actually would be beneficial for Connor to get “Terminated”.

    awesome idea Spoony and much better then anything the professionals are giving us.

  • Sidstyler

    Well, he -has- admitted time and again to being a tad harsh on all his own work.

  • Sidstyler

    Well, he -has- admitted time and again to being a tad harsh on all his own work.

  • Sidstyler

    Well, he -has- admitted time and again to being a tad harsh on all his own work.

  • JZyb

    John Connor was a great man… but that was in anotha lyfe!

  • JZyb

    John Connor was a great man… but that was in anotha lyfe!

  • JZyb

    John Connor was a great man… but that was in anotha lyfe!

  • http://thecanadiandefender.blogspot.com/ StacyD

    You’re kidding me with the whole ‘horrible’ thing right? This is at least ten times better than the script they went with for Terminator Salvation. I say pitch it, if nowhere else than to Dark Horse Comics. See if you could get a mini-series going. I know I’d read it.

    Stac

  • http://thecanadiandefender.blogspot.com/ StacyD

    You’re kidding me with the whole ‘horrible’ thing right? This is at least ten times better than the script they went with for Terminator Salvation. I say pitch it, if nowhere else than to Dark Horse Comics. See if you could get a mini-series going. I know I’d read it.

    Stac

  • http://thecanadiandefender.blogspot.com/ StacyD

    You’re kidding me with the whole ‘horrible’ thing right? This is at least ten times better than the script they went with for Terminator Salvation. I say pitch it, if nowhere else than to Dark Horse Comics. See if you could get a mini-series going. I know I’d read it.

    Stac

  • Meado

    This is actually a damned good idea, and a very clever one too.
    And so what if you can only think of way to fix existing franchises? There are a lot of broken ones out there that need fixing.

  • Meado

    This is actually a damned good idea, and a very clever one too.
    And so what if you can only think of way to fix existing franchises? There are a lot of broken ones out there that need fixing.

  • Meado

    This is actually a damned good idea, and a very clever one too.
    And so what if you can only think of way to fix existing franchises? There are a lot of broken ones out there that need fixing.

  • Quinn

    I remember that in the third one, Ahnuld says he kills John Connor in the future.

    I just noticed that John Connor has the same initials as Jesus Christ. God I feel stupid.

  • Quinn

    I remember that in the third one, Ahnuld says he kills John Connor in the future.

    I just noticed that John Connor has the same initials as Jesus Christ. God I feel stupid.

  • Quinn

    I remember that in the third one, Ahnuld says he kills John Connor in the future.

    I just noticed that John Connor has the same initials as Jesus Christ. God I feel stupid.

  • Quinn

    Also, you say “Should never write screenplays AGAIN”.
    Does that mean you HAVE written some?

  • Quinn

    Also, you say “Should never write screenplays AGAIN”.
    Does that mean you HAVE written some?

  • Quinn

    Also, you say “Should never write screenplays AGAIN”.
    Does that mean you HAVE written some?

  • Duckker

    I want a t-shirt that says “I’m John Connor; And so was your mom.”!

  • Duckker

    I want a t-shirt that says “I’m John Connor; And so was your mom.”!

  • Ernest

    Even though the stuff you write are considered “terrible” ideas that should never be used in a movie, however, most of the stuff you type sounds a lot better than executives and most writers come up with. Even though you think these are terrible ideas, they often backfire as a lot of people like them. Only because you have a lot of insight and are actually talented.

  • Ernest

    Even though the stuff you write are considered “terrible” ideas that should never be used in a movie, however, most of the stuff you type sounds a lot better than executives and most writers come up with. Even though you think these are terrible ideas, they often backfire as a lot of people like them. Only because you have a lot of insight and are actually talented.

  • Ernest

    Even though the stuff you write are considered “terrible” ideas that should never be used in a movie, however, most of the stuff you type sounds a lot better than executives and most writers come up with. Even though you think these are terrible ideas, they often backfire as a lot of people like them. Only because you have a lot of insight and are actually talented.

  • Anthony R

    I think you came across a goldmine here. This would be a great movie. This would work as the perfect end to John Connor. I think this gives Connor the look and feeling that he had from the first movies. This shows that he is a real hero and that imposters going on as him would be the only way for Skynet to fall.

  • Anthony R

    I think you came across a goldmine here. This would be a great movie. This would work as the perfect end to John Connor. I think this gives Connor the look and feeling that he had from the first movies. This shows that he is a real hero and that imposters going on as him would be the only way for Skynet to fall.

  • DJGamer

    This could be a very good idea if handled the right way-and still a possible sequel. I’ve heard what McG is apparently planning, though-and it seems like it’s going to involve more time travel and the present day-which I’m really not too sure about. If an idea like there were to be mixed in I think it could be awesome. There’d be a Watchmen-esque level of morality to it I think. Is it okay to maintain a state of peace/hope under a false pretense? If someone found out, would he choose to bring out the truth-what if he did? What would the repercussions be? Now if it were done in a cliche manner-it’d be like “Hey, but that only means we’ve all had a bit of John Conner within all of us!!”. There’d be this whole big corny speech about it just before the final confrontation and we’d all sigh because it too an interesting idea and made a mockery of it.

    I think the better way to do it is just have the guy say “So what does this change? We were kicking robot ass before-LET’S GO KICK SOME ROBOT ASS NOW!!”. Same message, just more blunt, to the point, and probably realistic. Although it could be fun to do a combination of the two-like have a long speech and some guy comes out and says “You could’ve just told us (the second, shorter speech)!” Although perhaps that would come off as too self-aware.

    I think Time Travel could be involved as well-perhaps only in the sense of it being tied back to the original films.

    The only reason I’d doubt something like this getting made is because it’d possibly out rule making use of a star like Christian Bale (although it would save the studio some money) and although it still makes John Conner important in the sense of being a “symbol”-it could still feel like a slap in the face to some hardcore fans.

  • DJGamer

    This could be a very good idea if handled the right way-and still a possible sequel. I’ve heard what McG is apparently planning, though-and it seems like it’s going to involve more time travel and the present day-which I’m really not too sure about. If an idea like there were to be mixed in I think it could be awesome. There’d be a Watchmen-esque level of morality to it I think. Is it okay to maintain a state of peace/hope under a false pretense? If someone found out, would he choose to bring out the truth-what if he did? What would the repercussions be? Now if it were done in a cliche manner-it’d be like “Hey, but that only means we’ve all had a bit of John Conner within all of us!!”. There’d be this whole big corny speech about it just before the final confrontation and we’d all sigh because it too an interesting idea and made a mockery of it.

    I think the better way to do it is just have the guy say “So what does this change? We were kicking robot ass before-LET’S GO KICK SOME ROBOT ASS NOW!!”. Same message, just more blunt, to the point, and probably realistic. Although it could be fun to do a combination of the two-like have a long speech and some guy comes out and says “You could’ve just told us (the second, shorter speech)!” Although perhaps that would come off as too self-aware.

    I think Time Travel could be involved as well-perhaps only in the sense of it being tied back to the original films.

    The only reason I’d doubt something like this getting made is because it’d possibly out rule making use of a star like Christian Bale (although it would save the studio some money) and although it still makes John Conner important in the sense of being a “symbol”-it could still feel like a slap in the face to some hardcore fans.

  • DJGamer

    This could be a very good idea if handled the right way-and still a possible sequel. I’ve heard what McG is apparently planning, though-and it seems like it’s going to involve more time travel and the present day-which I’m really not too sure about. If an idea like there were to be mixed in I think it could be awesome. There’d be a Watchmen-esque level of morality to it I think. Is it okay to maintain a state of peace/hope under a false pretense? If someone found out, would he choose to bring out the truth-what if he did? What would the repercussions be? Now if it were done in a cliche manner-it’d be like “Hey, but that only means we’ve all had a bit of John Conner within all of us!!”. There’d be this whole big corny speech about it just before the final confrontation and we’d all sigh because it too an interesting idea and made a mockery of it.

    I think the better way to do it is just have the guy say “So what does this change? We were kicking robot ass before-LET’S GO KICK SOME ROBOT ASS NOW!!”. Same message, just more blunt, to the point, and probably realistic. Although it could be fun to do a combination of the two-like have a long speech and some guy comes out and says “You could’ve just told us (the second, shorter speech)!” Although perhaps that would come off as too self-aware.

    I think Time Travel could be involved as well-perhaps only in the sense of it being tied back to the original films.

    The only reason I’d doubt something like this getting made is because it’d possibly out rule making use of a star like Christian Bale (although it would save the studio some money) and although it still makes John Conner important in the sense of being a “symbol”-it could still feel like a slap in the face to some hardcore fans.

  • Omochao

    This is actually a really good concept, it would be very hard to pull off, but itd be great if they did.

  • Omochao

    This is actually a really good concept, it would be very hard to pull off, but itd be great if they did.

  • Omochao

    This is actually a really good concept, it would be very hard to pull off, but itd be great if they did.

  • October Mermaid

    As others have said, this is a great idea, Spoony.

    Everyone will have to forgive me if this has already been said in the comments on in your review, but I’d much prefer it if it turns out that Connor ISN’T really anything special. Maybe he was just randomly selected by Skynet to make people think he mattered.

    Maybe the terminators were sent back not to kill him but to FAIL to kill him, making him, his mother, and the resistance believe that he’s important when in reality, he was just another human meant as a distraction.

    It would certainly explain why these terminators never succeeded in the past. If the whole thing were an elaborate trick by Skynet, it would crush the humans when they learn the truth and it would be bleak in the best possible way. It would also clear the deck of all the “this has to happen” problems and add some much needed suspense.

  • October Mermaid

    As others have said, this is a great idea, Spoony.

    Everyone will have to forgive me if this has already been said in the comments on in your review, but I’d much prefer it if it turns out that Connor ISN’T really anything special. Maybe he was just randomly selected by Skynet to make people think he mattered.

    Maybe the terminators were sent back not to kill him but to FAIL to kill him, making him, his mother, and the resistance believe that he’s important when in reality, he was just another human meant as a distraction.

    It would certainly explain why these terminators never succeeded in the past. If the whole thing were an elaborate trick by Skynet, it would crush the humans when they learn the truth and it would be bleak in the best possible way. It would also clear the deck of all the “this has to happen” problems and add some much needed suspense.

  • Anonymous

    It’s not a terrible idea, Spoony. It’s just not a great one. As said in an earlier comment, it would contradict too much from the earlier films (much like T3 did…*sigh*). Still, it sounds okay. And no, we’re not missing the point of this exercise. You just have low self-esteem. Trust me, I do the same thing. I think my stuff is crap, too, even if everyone else tells me it’s good.

  • Anonymous

    It’s not a terrible idea, Spoony. It’s just not a great one. As said in an earlier comment, it would contradict too much from the earlier films (much like T3 did…*sigh*). Still, it sounds okay. And no, we’re not missing the point of this exercise. You just have low self-esteem. Trust me, I do the same thing. I think my stuff is crap, too, even if everyone else tells me it’s good.

  • October Mermaid

    As others have said, this is a great idea, Spoony.

    Everyone will have to forgive me if this has already been said in the comments on in your review, but I’d much prefer it if it turns out that Connor ISN’T really anything special. Maybe he was just randomly selected by Skynet to make people think he mattered.

    Maybe the terminators were sent back not to kill him but to FAIL to kill him, making him, his mother, and the resistance believe that he’s important when in reality, he was just another human meant as a distraction.

    It would certainly explain why these terminators never succeeded in the past. If the whole thing were an elaborate trick by Skynet, it would crush the humans when they learn the truth and it would be bleak in the best possible way. It would also clear the deck of all the “this has to happen” problems and add some much needed suspense.

  • mflorian

    It’s not a terrible idea, Spoony. It’s just not a great one. As said in an earlier comment, it would contradict too much from the earlier films (much like T3 did…*sigh*). Still, it sounds okay. And no, we’re not missing the point of this exercise. You just have low self-esteem. Trust me, I do the same thing. I think my stuff is crap, too, even if everyone else tells me it’s good.

  • Anonymous

    That would have sounded better had I removed the “It’s just not a great one.” line. Dammit.

  • Anonymous

    That would have sounded better had I removed the “It’s just not a great one.” line. Dammit.

  • mflorian

    That would have sounded better had I removed the “It’s just not a great one.” line. Dammit.

  • szarik

    Hey that was a great twist man, I want to see your take on what the new Star Trek should have been! Bring on Reason 7!

  • szarik

    Hey that was a great twist man, I want to see your take on what the new Star Trek should have been! Bring on Reason 7!

  • szarik

    Hey that was a great twist man, I want to see your take on what the new Star Trek should have been! Bring on Reason 7!

  • AgentKen

    Another way to ruin Terminator:
    Terminator Salvation!

  • AgentKen

    Another way to ruin Terminator:
    Terminator Salvation!

  • AgentKen

    Another way to ruin Terminator:
    Terminator Salvation!

  • SnazzilyDressed

    Watch Death Race 2000. Fictional awe-inspiring hero? Its been done. BOOM!

  • SnazzilyDressed

    Watch Death Race 2000. Fictional awe-inspiring hero? Its been done. BOOM!

  • SnazzilyDressed

    Watch Death Race 2000. Fictional awe-inspiring hero? Its been done. BOOM!

  • Bosh Depanzer

    It is VERY SAD that this is the best Terminator storyline I have ever heard. Spoony, I commend you. The only and I stress the only thing I would change is the title to simply: “I Am John Connor”. This is why Salvation was a yawn to me, it provided nothing new. This idea is new (at least for Terminator). Every movie has the same plot. This would have been a refreshing change. A START would have been keeping the original ending for Salvation. But when you think about it even that ending wouldn’t have made much sense.

  • Bosh Depanzer

    It is VERY SAD that this is the best Terminator storyline I have ever heard. Spoony, I commend you. The only and I stress the only thing I would change is the title to simply: “I Am John Connor”. This is why Salvation was a yawn to me, it provided nothing new. This idea is new (at least for Terminator). Every movie has the same plot. This would have been a refreshing change. A START would have been keeping the original ending for Salvation. But when you think about it even that ending wouldn’t have made much sense.

  • Bosh Depanzer

    It is VERY SAD that this is the best Terminator storyline I have ever heard. Spoony, I commend you. The only and I stress the only thing I would change is the title to simply: “I Am John Connor”. This is why Salvation was a yawn to me, it provided nothing new. This idea is new (at least for Terminator). Every movie has the same plot. This would have been a refreshing change. A START would have been keeping the original ending for Salvation. But when you think about it even that ending wouldn’t have made much sense.

  • CodexBiohazardX0

    You know, you just made the series make a whole lot of sense.
    Its a lot like Atlas Shrugged, yeah who is to say this might be the big Revelation in a future terminator movie?
    Lets face it, John Conner is a rather common name.
    Good think good sir!

  • CodexBiohazardX0

    You know, you just made the series make a whole lot of sense.
    Its a lot like Atlas Shrugged, yeah who is to say this might be the big Revelation in a future terminator movie?
    Lets face it, John Conner is a rather common name.
    Good think good sir!

  • Matrim

    “Well as Kyle said to Sarah in the first movie taking out Connor in the future wouldn’t matter because he had already gave the humans the will to fight back.”

    Actually what he said was that they’d already smashed Skynet’s defense grid and won the war, the time displacement device was a last resort, as Skynet had no hope of surviving in the current time line. That’s about the only thing that really didn’t jive with T2, in that the 1st T-800 and the T-1000 would have to have been sent at the same time (as well as Kyle and the 2nd T-800), because Skynet had lost and the Tech-Com had captured Skynet’s science facilities.

  • Matrim

    “Well as Kyle said to Sarah in the first movie taking out Connor in the future wouldn’t matter because he had already gave the humans the will to fight back.”

    Actually what he said was that they’d already smashed Skynet’s defense grid and won the war, the time displacement device was a last resort, as Skynet had no hope of surviving in the current time line. That’s about the only thing that really didn’t jive with T2, in that the 1st T-800 and the T-1000 would have to have been sent at the same time (as well as Kyle and the 2nd T-800), because Skynet had lost and the Tech-Com had captured Skynet’s science facilities.

  • CodexBiohazardX0

    You know, you just made the series make a whole lot of sense.
    Its a lot like Atlas Shrugged, yeah who is to say this might be the big Revelation in a future terminator movie?
    Lets face it, John Conner is a rather common name.
    Good think good sir!

  • Matrim

    “Well as Kyle said to Sarah in the first movie taking out Connor in the future wouldn’t matter because he had already gave the humans the will to fight back.”

    Actually what he said was that they’d already smashed Skynet’s defense grid and won the war, the time displacement device was a last resort, as Skynet had no hope of surviving in the current time line. That’s about the only thing that really didn’t jive with T2, in that the 1st T-800 and the T-1000 would have to have been sent at the same time (as well as Kyle and the 2nd T-800), because Skynet had lost and the Tech-Com had captured Skynet’s science facilities.

  • 12Sided

    well there’s one explanation for where John Connor came from in the original future before time travel; he was a made up figure that most of the troops and Skynet believe are real. Skynet looks through records to find a woman with the last name Connor that’s about the right age and in about the right area and sends it’s terminator to get her, Kyle Reese’s group find out about this plan and bust in to stop it sending Kyle back. And there we have a self fulfilling prophecy rather then a time paradox!

  • 12Sided

    well there’s one explanation for where John Connor came from in the original future before time travel; he was a made up figure that most of the troops and Skynet believe are real. Skynet looks through records to find a woman with the last name Connor that’s about the right age and in about the right area and sends it’s terminator to get her, Kyle Reese’s group find out about this plan and bust in to stop it sending Kyle back. And there we have a self fulfilling prophecy rather then a time paradox!

  • http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spartacus Sparticus

    No, I am Sparticus!

  • http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spartacus Sparticus

    No, I am Sparticus!

  • 12Sided

    well there’s one explanation for where John Connor came from in the original future before time travel; he was a made up figure that most of the troops and Skynet believe are real. Skynet looks through records to find a woman with the last name Connor that’s about the right age and in about the right area and sends it’s terminator to get her, Kyle Reese’s group find out about this plan and bust in to stop it sending Kyle back. And there we have a self fulfilling prophecy rather then a time paradox!

  • http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spartacus Sparticus

    No, I am Sparticus!

  • Roboticus

    If I was Skynet I’d send an atomic bomb covered in human flesh back in time to kill Sarah Conner.

    Also, Skynet is supposedly every computer networked together yet it bombed every major city. That means it killed parts of itself, in fact, most of itself. With no power and less computers Skynet would be weaker.

    Aside from that, how did the computer build terminators? How did it get the materials together? How did it get the power back up? How did it build a production facility? Why didn’t people just blow the crap out of the production facility as it was being built?

  • Roboticus

    If I was Skynet I’d send an atomic bomb covered in human flesh back in time to kill Sarah Conner.

    Also, Skynet is supposedly every computer networked together yet it bombed every major city. That means it killed parts of itself, in fact, most of itself. With no power and less computers Skynet would be weaker.

    Aside from that, how did the computer build terminators? How did it get the materials together? How did it get the power back up? How did it build a production facility? Why didn’t people just blow the crap out of the production facility as it was being built?

  • Roboticus

    If I was Skynet I’d send an atomic bomb covered in human flesh back in time to kill Sarah Conner.

    Also, Skynet is supposedly every computer networked together yet it bombed every major city. That means it killed parts of itself, in fact, most of itself. With no power and less computers Skynet would be weaker.

    Aside from that, how did the computer build terminators? How did it get the materials together? How did it get the power back up? How did it build a production facility? Why didn’t people just blow the crap out of the production facility as it was being built?

  • Sparks

    The way you described Conner he now reminds me of Vasily Zaytsev in Enemy at the Gates (only with out all that whiny self-doubt, but they have room for that in next two movies)

  • Sparks

    The way you described Conner he now reminds me of Vasily Zaytsev in Enemy at the Gates (only with out all that whiny self-doubt, but they have room for that in next two movies)

  • Sparks

    The way you described Conner he now reminds me of Vasily Zaytsev in Enemy at the Gates (only with out all that whiny self-doubt, but they have room for that in next two movies)

  • Taranaich

    I can’t decide whether it’s self-deprecation, a sly dig at what Hollywood would consider “bad ideas”, or whether you genuinely think they’re bad ideas. Either way, this is a pretty good and refreshing idea for the Terminator franchise: it’s clever, it’s unexpected, and it adds a philosophical bent that has been lacking in the series since T2. Certainly better than the tired and unimpressive TS.

    As for it being “unoriginal” – dude, there are no original ideas left. There haven’t been since the dawn of civilization: everything is just a variation on a theme. This, however, takes an idea that one wouldn’t necessarily think of in terms of this franchise, insert it, and then make it work.

    Stop beating yourself up, man.

  • Taranaich

    I can’t decide whether it’s self-deprecation, a sly dig at what Hollywood would consider “bad ideas”, or whether you genuinely think they’re bad ideas. Either way, this is a pretty good and refreshing idea for the Terminator franchise: it’s clever, it’s unexpected, and it adds a philosophical bent that has been lacking in the series since T2. Certainly better than the tired and unimpressive TS.

    As for it being “unoriginal” – dude, there are no original ideas left. There haven’t been since the dawn of civilization: everything is just a variation on a theme. This, however, takes an idea that one wouldn’t necessarily think of in terms of this franchise, insert it, and then make it work.

    Stop beating yourself up, man.

  • Andrew Joshua Talon

    Honestly Spoony, all this kind of stuff is telling me you really SHOULD be writing screenplays. And for some reason has parallels to an idea a friend of mine and I are working on right now. I won’t say anything yet, just stay tuned. We’re going to be big. And keep up the great work.

  • Andrew Joshua Talon

    Honestly Spoony, all this kind of stuff is telling me you really SHOULD be writing screenplays. And for some reason has parallels to an idea a friend of mine and I are working on right now. I won’t say anything yet, just stay tuned. We’re going to be big. And keep up the great work.

  • Taranaich

    I can’t decide whether it’s self-deprecation, a sly dig at what Hollywood would consider “bad ideas”, or whether you genuinely think they’re bad ideas. Either way, this is a pretty good and refreshing idea for the Terminator franchise: it’s clever, it’s unexpected, and it adds a philosophical bent that has been lacking in the series since T2. Certainly better than the tired and unimpressive TS.

    As for it being “unoriginal” – dude, there are no original ideas left. There haven’t been since the dawn of civilization: everything is just a variation on a theme. This, however, takes an idea that one wouldn’t necessarily think of in terms of this franchise, insert it, and then make it work.

    Stop beating yourself up, man.

  • Andrew Joshua Talon

    Honestly Spoony, all this kind of stuff is telling me you really SHOULD be writing screenplays. And for some reason has parallels to an idea a friend of mine and I are working on right now. I won’t say anything yet, just stay tuned. We’re going to be big. And keep up the great work.

  • Will

    Dude, Spoony, reason fuckin number 6 why you SHOULD write screenplays! This is by far the best one, and I’d give anything to see that on the big screen. It sounds fuckin EPIC!

  • Will

    Dude, Spoony, reason fuckin number 6 why you SHOULD write screenplays! This is by far the best one, and I’d give anything to see that on the big screen. It sounds fuckin EPIC!

  • Will

    Dude, Spoony, reason fuckin number 6 why you SHOULD write screenplays! This is by far the best one, and I’d give anything to see that on the big screen. It sounds fuckin EPIC!

  • CapnG

    I think you’re incapable of producing crap, Spoony. Not all of these are gold, mind you but for the most part your not-screenplay ideas are vastly superior to hollywood’s usual fare, largely in part I think because you DON’T give a shit and are thus free to get inventive.

    Face facts, your creative drought is nothing compared to the sun-bleached, barren wasteland of conceptualization that is hollywood.

  • CapnG

    I think you’re incapable of producing crap, Spoony. Not all of these are gold, mind you but for the most part your not-screenplay ideas are vastly superior to hollywood’s usual fare, largely in part I think because you DON’T give a shit and are thus free to get inventive.

    Face facts, your creative drought is nothing compared to the sun-bleached, barren wasteland of conceptualization that is hollywood.

  • CapnG

    I think you’re incapable of producing crap, Spoony. Not all of these are gold, mind you but for the most part your not-screenplay ideas are vastly superior to hollywood’s usual fare, largely in part I think because you DON’T give a shit and are thus free to get inventive.

    Face facts, your creative drought is nothing compared to the sun-bleached, barren wasteland of conceptualization that is hollywood.

  • RC

    This would have made a great plot for Salvation, though I’d have had Connor actually get killed by gunfire as opposed to a bomb, just so you could show it on screen and end the movie with the Resistance leaders creating new John Connors to keep up the legend. It’d go well with the dark atmosphere that Terminator is supposed to have.

    And it makes perfect sense from a story standpoint. Skynet was global. One man, no matter how good a soldier or how influential just isn’t going to make a difference. The legend of one man however could be a great rallying point and a way to confuse Skynet.

  • RC

    This would have made a great plot for Salvation, though I’d have had Connor actually get killed by gunfire as opposed to a bomb, just so you could show it on screen and end the movie with the Resistance leaders creating new John Connors to keep up the legend. It’d go well with the dark atmosphere that Terminator is supposed to have.

    And it makes perfect sense from a story standpoint. Skynet was global. One man, no matter how good a soldier or how influential just isn’t going to make a difference. The legend of one man however could be a great rallying point and a way to confuse Skynet.

  • RC

    This would have made a great plot for Salvation, though I’d have had Connor actually get killed by gunfire as opposed to a bomb, just so you could show it on screen and end the movie with the Resistance leaders creating new John Connors to keep up the legend. It’d go well with the dark atmosphere that Terminator is supposed to have.

    And it makes perfect sense from a story standpoint. Skynet was global. One man, no matter how good a soldier or how influential just isn’t going to make a difference. The legend of one man however could be a great rallying point and a way to confuse Skynet.

  • Galdos

    This is an actually good idea. Ive read a book that talked about something like this… though Im not sure you could really pull this off in a movie. It may be possible but it would be REALLY difficult to do it well (with out having narration I mean, you risk just confusing the hell out of people) but this would actually result in one of the better ideas out there.

    Oh and to #55 AMDfreak . Read #75 Matrim because that guy got it right

  • Galdos

    This is an actually good idea. Ive read a book that talked about something like this… though Im not sure you could really pull this off in a movie. It may be possible but it would be REALLY difficult to do it well (with out having narration I mean, you risk just confusing the hell out of people) but this would actually result in one of the better ideas out there.

    Oh and to #55 AMDfreak . Read #75 Matrim because that guy got it right

  • Galdos

    This is an actually good idea. Ive read a book that talked about something like this… though Im not sure you could really pull this off in a movie. It may be possible but it would be REALLY difficult to do it well (with out having narration I mean, you risk just confusing the hell out of people) but this would actually result in one of the better ideas out there.

    Oh and to #55 AMDfreak . Read #75 Matrim because that guy got it right

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/LegendaryBadass LegendaryBadass

    This is way more relevant than the screenplay for Salvation.

    Too bad you weren’t born rich, and never respond to my messages trying to get us a TV deal since my gf is a producer.

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/LegendaryBadass LegendaryBadass

    This is way more relevant than the screenplay for Salvation.

    Too bad you weren’t born rich, and never respond to my messages trying to get us a TV deal since my gf is a producer.

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/LegendaryBadass LegendaryBadass

    This is way more relevant than the screenplay for Salvation.

    Too bad you weren’t born rich, and never respond to my messages trying to get us a TV deal since my gf is a producer.

  • http://eathanu.wordpress.com/ Eathanu

    Yeah, this WAS better than the concept behind Salvation. I’d love to see this on screen, myself. Would be hard to portray all of those ideas and link a story together, sure, but it’s still a pretty awesome idea.

    Actually, it would work for almost any franchise that has a so-called ‘hero’ that everyone looks up to. It would work for Half-Life.

  • http://eathanu.wordpress.com/ Eathanu

    Yeah, this WAS better than the concept behind Salvation. I’d love to see this on screen, myself. Would be hard to portray all of those ideas and link a story together, sure, but it’s still a pretty awesome idea.

    Actually, it would work for almost any franchise that has a so-called ‘hero’ that everyone looks up to. It would work for Half-Life.

  • http://eathanu.wordpress.com Eathanu

    Yeah, this WAS better than the concept behind Salvation. I’d love to see this on screen, myself. Would be hard to portray all of those ideas and link a story together, sure, but it’s still a pretty awesome idea.

    Actually, it would work for almost any franchise that has a so-called ‘hero’ that everyone looks up to. It would work for Half-Life.

  • Colt

    Sorry to say that I don’t really agree with these other guys about the brilliance of this screenplay. I know you disclaim this as a quality effort to write, but you and I know your plots make sense and are often entertaining. The problem with this one is simply that it would be very difficult to turn this into a screenplay. It is an interesting tying up of a series’ loose ends, but this plot is realistic, in that major events are carried out by strong, self-sustaining organizations and groups, a difficult emotional focus for any movie. This is a great tie-up for this canon, but it isn’t suited to a film, unless we want some heavy explanitory dialogue. Love the rest, I like these sort of excercises on cleaning up franchises. By the way, I’m sure Robert Rodriguez or Quentin T would love to direct the Manos sequel, though they may be burnt out on Grindhouse.

  • Colt

    Sorry to say that I don’t really agree with these other guys about the brilliance of this screenplay. I know you disclaim this as a quality effort to write, but you and I know your plots make sense and are often entertaining. The problem with this one is simply that it would be very difficult to turn this into a screenplay. It is an interesting tying up of a series’ loose ends, but this plot is realistic, in that major events are carried out by strong, self-sustaining organizations and groups, a difficult emotional focus for any movie. This is a great tie-up for this canon, but it isn’t suited to a film, unless we want some heavy explanitory dialogue. Love the rest, I like these sort of excercises on cleaning up franchises. By the way, I’m sure Robert Rodriguez or Quentin T would love to direct the Manos sequel, though they may be burnt out on Grindhouse.

  • Colt

    Sorry to say that I don’t really agree with these other guys about the brilliance of this screenplay. I know you disclaim this as a quality effort to write, but you and I know your plots make sense and are often entertaining. The problem with this one is simply that it would be very difficult to turn this into a screenplay. It is an interesting tying up of a series’ loose ends, but this plot is realistic, in that major events are carried out by strong, self-sustaining organizations and groups, a difficult emotional focus for any movie. This is a great tie-up for this canon, but it isn’t suited to a film, unless we want some heavy explanitory dialogue. Love the rest, I like these sort of excercises on cleaning up franchises. By the way, I’m sure Robert Rodriguez or Quentin T would love to direct the Manos sequel, though they may be burnt out on Grindhouse.

  • mka

    Wow… this is really very smart and much much better than the crap in the last movie. Dude they must make a movie of that. Your ideas are always smart. Hope one day you will be a writer.

  • mka

    Wow… this is really very smart and much much better than the crap in the last movie. Dude they must make a movie of that. Your ideas are always smart. Hope one day you will be a writer.

  • Vor

    Well, I think it could be made a bit more Hollywood-ish. The main “hero” is some simple soldier of the Resistance, who, by the sheer covering in fear survives a few hard missions, and actually meets two different John Connors. Conspiracy theories in the future what is ruled by Terminators… And in the end, a John Connor wannabe just shoots the guy, and say it was the Skynet who killed this war hero. And after came his “clones” too.
    And we have to put in the Terminatrix as well.. She would be a gigantic selling point :).

  • Vor

    Well, I think it could be made a bit more Hollywood-ish. The main “hero” is some simple soldier of the Resistance, who, by the sheer covering in fear survives a few hard missions, and actually meets two different John Connors. Conspiracy theories in the future what is ruled by Terminators… And in the end, a John Connor wannabe just shoots the guy, and say it was the Skynet who killed this war hero. And after came his “clones” too.
    And we have to put in the Terminatrix as well.. She would be a gigantic selling point :).

  • Ham Sampson

    Skynet knows what John looks like. How do you propose to trick Terminators with doubles who don’t actually look like the target?

  • Ham Sampson

    Skynet knows what John looks like. How do you propose to trick Terminators with doubles who don’t actually look like the target?

  • Ham Sampson

    Skynet knows what John looks like. How do you propose to trick Terminators with doubles who don’t actually look like the target?

  • Boadicia

    Oh come on. That Manos idea was pure gold.

  • Boadicia

    Oh come on. That Manos idea was pure gold.

  • Boadicia

    Oh come on. That Manos idea was pure gold.

  • Metal B

    Yeah its a great idear for an alternative Terminator Salvation movie (you should do a time travell to save that movie =P).

    It neels down why Skynet and the terminators can’t win this war. Its create Terminator and tries to kill John Connor, but he cant do it, becauce everytime he killed a “John Connor” there comes an another and another John Connor.

    A global computer, what can controll anything, everywhere, cant kill one man. Its unlogical and so Skynet cant understand it. Its goes insane, do time travels and anything to kill something thats unkillable. It focus its prime objective to much to John Connor and In the end it will get destroyed. Not by John Connor, it will be destroyed by man, who belives in John Connor.

    The movie itself was a mistake, they never should have shown John Connor in the war, becauce the point of the character of John Connor is that we cant get, how he can become such a legend. Its like doing a movie about the Joker, it would destroy the character, if we understand him.

  • Metal B

    Yeah its a great idear for an alternative Terminator Salvation movie (you should do a time travell to save that movie =P).

    It neels down why Skynet and the terminators can’t win this war. Its create Terminator and tries to kill John Connor, but he cant do it, becauce everytime he killed a “John Connor” there comes an another and another John Connor.

    A global computer, what can controll anything, everywhere, cant kill one man. Its unlogical and so Skynet cant understand it. Its goes insane, do time travels and anything to kill something thats unkillable. It focus its prime objective to much to John Connor and In the end it will get destroyed. Not by John Connor, it will be destroyed by man, who belives in John Connor.

    The movie itself was a mistake, they never should have shown John Connor in the war, becauce the point of the character of John Connor is that we cant get, how he can become such a legend. Its like doing a movie about the Joker, it would destroy the character, if we understand him.

  • Metal B

    Yeah its a great idear for an alternative Terminator Salvation movie (you should do a time travell to save that movie =P).

    It neels down why Skynet and the terminators can’t win this war. Its create Terminator and tries to kill John Connor, but he cant do it, becauce everytime he killed a “John Connor” there comes an another and another John Connor.

    A global computer, what can controll anything, everywhere, cant kill one man. Its unlogical and so Skynet cant understand it. Its goes insane, do time travels and anything to kill something thats unkillable. It focus its prime objective to much to John Connor and In the end it will get destroyed. Not by John Connor, it will be destroyed by man, who belives in John Connor.

    The movie itself was a mistake, they never should have shown John Connor in the war, becauce the point of the character of John Connor is that we cant get, how he can become such a legend. Its like doing a movie about the Joker, it would destroy the character, if we understand him.

  • http://www.myspace.com/Thestuffedanimaladvisor Patrick

    Hate to tell you Spoony, but it this is a good idea. Ignoring several people including me, the only thing preventing anyone from publishing this are copyright laws, and hollywood executive’s stupidity.

    It would make one helluva fanciftion story though.

  • http://www.myspace.com/Thestuffedanimaladvisor Patrick

    Hate to tell you Spoony, but it this is a good idea. Ignoring several people including me, the only thing preventing anyone from publishing this are copyright laws, and hollywood executive’s stupidity.

    It would make one helluva fanciftion story though.

  • http://www.myspace.com/Thestuffedanimaladvisor Patrick

    Hate to tell you Spoony, but it this is a good idea. Ignoring several people including me, the only thing preventing anyone from publishing this are copyright laws, and hollywood executive’s stupidity.

    It would make one helluva fanciftion story though.

  • Dustin

    Yeah, this brings up a lot of good points. It’s all a dark and gritty war where anyone could die and a good morale booster is some guy who does an amazing stroke of freaking luck whose name will then forever etched in legends………..until he kicked the freaking bucket. Of course, knowing that knowledge would just kill morale right there.

    John Connor isn’t some guy who if he had to face God for the sake of humanity, ends up winning. He’s a easy to kill human if you get in a shot when he’s not looking.

    but of course, Hollywood went for the fact this guy is invincible and has luck of gods.

  • Dustin

    Yeah, this brings up a lot of good points. It’s all a dark and gritty war where anyone could die and a good morale booster is some guy who does an amazing stroke of freaking luck whose name will then forever etched in legends………..until he kicked the freaking bucket. Of course, knowing that knowledge would just kill morale right there.

    John Connor isn’t some guy who if he had to face God for the sake of humanity, ends up winning. He’s a easy to kill human if you get in a shot when he’s not looking.

    but of course, Hollywood went for the fact this guy is invincible and has luck of gods.

  • Dustin

    Yeah, this brings up a lot of good points. It’s all a dark and gritty war where anyone could die and a good morale booster is some guy who does an amazing stroke of freaking luck whose name will then forever etched in legends………..until he kicked the freaking bucket. Of course, knowing that knowledge would just kill morale right there.

    John Connor isn’t some guy who if he had to face God for the sake of humanity, ends up winning. He’s a easy to kill human if you get in a shot when he’s not looking.

    but of course, Hollywood went for the fact this guy is invincible and has luck of gods.

  • Durazno

    As Colt noted, it would be hard to maintain emotional focus with this premise, but there are ways.

    Like, say the whole concentration camp thing were done away with, and all the surviving humans were all running around in small armed bands fleeing the Terminators. The world’s militaries have fallen, but Skynet hasn’t figured out the best way to hunt and kill people on the ground yet, especially trained guerrilla forces. The token science person could explain in passing that it’s trying out a variety of designs to see what works best and that the humans are trying to screw with its calculations. This would allow varied action scenes and handwave some of the weird, impractical Termi-types.

    So for our heroes we could have a man and a woman who were partners-in-crime in the old world; the man was the fast-talker and the woman was the muscle/gun. As you might imagine, the man is feeling quite useless these days, and actually sort of wants his partner to ditch him, feeling she’d have a better chance on her own. But one day they see a group of humans put up a serious fight against the Termies and scatter in time to avoid the cluster-bombing. Impressed, they end up joining this army and meeting one John Connor, Hero of the Resistance.

    They have some kind of action-packed adventure with the Resistance, perhaps disrupting Skynet’s early attempts to make humanlike Terminators, but fall into an ambush on their way out and get decimated. Our two heroes and a couple of incidental characters are all that remain, gathered around John Connor as he lies dying. He explains that he’s not the only JC (oh, I just recognized the initials; very clever), and passes the mantle on to the former con-man, who now has a chance to use his charisma and cunning to help humanity survive. How’s that?

  • Durazno

    As Colt noted, it would be hard to maintain emotional focus with this premise, but there are ways.

    Like, say the whole concentration camp thing were done away with, and all the surviving humans were all running around in small armed bands fleeing the Terminators. The world’s militaries have fallen, but Skynet hasn’t figured out the best way to hunt and kill people on the ground yet, especially trained guerrilla forces. The token science person could explain in passing that it’s trying out a variety of designs to see what works best and that the humans are trying to screw with its calculations. This would allow varied action scenes and handwave some of the weird, impractical Termi-types.

    So for our heroes we could have a man and a woman who were partners-in-crime in the old world; the man was the fast-talker and the woman was the muscle/gun. As you might imagine, the man is feeling quite useless these days, and actually sort of wants his partner to ditch him, feeling she’d have a better chance on her own. But one day they see a group of humans put up a serious fight against the Termies and scatter in time to avoid the cluster-bombing. Impressed, they end up joining this army and meeting one John Connor, Hero of the Resistance.

    They have some kind of action-packed adventure with the Resistance, perhaps disrupting Skynet’s early attempts to make humanlike Terminators, but fall into an ambush on their way out and get decimated. Our two heroes and a couple of incidental characters are all that remain, gathered around John Connor as he lies dying. He explains that he’s not the only JC (oh, I just recognized the initials; very clever), and passes the mantle on to the former con-man, who now has a chance to use his charisma and cunning to help humanity survive. How’s that?

  • Durazno

    As Colt noted, it would be hard to maintain emotional focus with this premise, but there are ways.

    Like, say the whole concentration camp thing were done away with, and all the surviving humans were all running around in small armed bands fleeing the Terminators. The world’s militaries have fallen, but Skynet hasn’t figured out the best way to hunt and kill people on the ground yet, especially trained guerrilla forces. The token science person could explain in passing that it’s trying out a variety of designs to see what works best and that the humans are trying to screw with its calculations. This would allow varied action scenes and handwave some of the weird, impractical Termi-types.

    So for our heroes we could have a man and a woman who were partners-in-crime in the old world; the man was the fast-talker and the woman was the muscle/gun. As you might imagine, the man is feeling quite useless these days, and actually sort of wants his partner to ditch him, feeling she’d have a better chance on her own. But one day they see a group of humans put up a serious fight against the Termies and scatter in time to avoid the cluster-bombing. Impressed, they end up joining this army and meeting one John Connor, Hero of the Resistance.

    They have some kind of action-packed adventure with the Resistance, perhaps disrupting Skynet’s early attempts to make humanlike Terminators, but fall into an ambush on their way out and get decimated. Our two heroes and a couple of incidental characters are all that remain, gathered around John Connor as he lies dying. He explains that he’s not the only JC (oh, I just recognized the initials; very clever), and passes the mantle on to the former con-man, who now has a chance to use his charisma and cunning to help humanity survive. How’s that?

  • Varmit

    I’ve actually always thought along the same lines as your idea since I saw T1, that JC was just a myth/propaganda in the future, just like the russain snipers in WW2. Months after a sniper was dead the russains would still attribute other snipers kills to the dead sniper. I must have always been too grimdark to belive in a hope for humanity after a Atmoic purging. That’s just me though.

  • Varmit

    I’ve actually always thought along the same lines as your idea since I saw T1, that JC was just a myth/propaganda in the future, just like the russain snipers in WW2. Months after a sniper was dead the russains would still attribute other snipers kills to the dead sniper. I must have always been too grimdark to belive in a hope for humanity after a Atmoic purging. That’s just me though.

  • Varmit

    I’ve actually always thought along the same lines as your idea since I saw T1, that JC was just a myth/propaganda in the future, just like the russain snipers in WW2. Months after a sniper was dead the russains would still attribute other snipers kills to the dead sniper. I must have always been too grimdark to belive in a hope for humanity after a Atmoic purging. That’s just me though.

  • Marlon

    So what was that, Spoony?

    Is this what you think, what the last two movies are going to reveal?
    That Connor is just some type of propaganda?

    I think Skynet and it’s terminators are quite firm with the fact with symbolsism and morale.
    Until that time the machines had enough chance to study humans and their behaviour.
    They just figured out how to trick them with fake skin etc
    The skin, living tissue, is a symbol for weakness. So skynet has understand the principle, that people only belive, what they see. If people see a sign weakness – skin – this nice bodybuilder guy with the plasmarifle can’t be too bad.
    So the machines, they wrap themself up into that mess to trick humans and get a few feet closer to them, to infiltrate bases and so on..

    I think that machines which are smart enough to fake the look and mimic human behaviour have understood the pychology to a certain degree, where it can’t be fooled with a fake (or several fake) connors.

    Nice Theory, though!

  • Marlon

    So what was that, Spoony?

    Is this what you think, what the last two movies are going to reveal?
    That Connor is just some type of propaganda?

    I think Skynet and it’s terminators are quite firm with the fact with symbolsism and morale.
    Until that time the machines had enough chance to study humans and their behaviour.
    They just figured out how to trick them with fake skin etc
    The skin, living tissue, is a symbol for weakness. So skynet has understand the principle, that people only belive, what they see. If people see a sign weakness – skin – this nice bodybuilder guy with the plasmarifle can’t be too bad.
    So the machines, they wrap themself up into that mess to trick humans and get a few feet closer to them, to infiltrate bases and so on..

    I think that machines which are smart enough to fake the look and mimic human behaviour have understood the pychology to a certain degree, where it can’t be fooled with a fake (or several fake) connors.

    Nice Theory, though!

  • Marlon

    So what was that, Spoony?

    Is this what you think, what the last two movies are going to reveal?
    That Connor is just some type of propaganda?

    I think Skynet and it’s terminators are quite firm with the fact with symbolsism and morale.
    Until that time the machines had enough chance to study humans and their behaviour.
    They just figured out how to trick them with fake skin etc
    The skin, living tissue, is a symbol for weakness. So skynet has understand the principle, that people only belive, what they see. If people see a sign weakness – skin – this nice bodybuilder guy with the plasmarifle can’t be too bad.
    So the machines, they wrap themself up into that mess to trick humans and get a few feet closer to them, to infiltrate bases and so on..

    I think that machines which are smart enough to fake the look and mimic human behaviour have understood the pychology to a certain degree, where it can’t be fooled with a fake (or several fake) connors.

    Nice Theory, though!

  • http://www.myspace.com/sidvoltaire Sid Voltaire

    That would have been an awesome alternative. But the original ending for the movie Terminator Salvation, where they kill John Connor and use his face to infiltrate the resistance would have been fucking classic, and would have made everything worthwhile, as you pointed out in the review.

    It would be hard to explain how the resistance found a way to trick the perfect killing machines, since Terminators analyze every part of a person, and could possibly relay that information directly to Skynet via wifi, the citing of the first fake John Connor would ruin the ruse and foil The Resistance’s surprise attack. Causing them all to die. Which I would like to see. The Terminators Win. That’d be awesome.

    The only way your version would work would be if The Resistance cloned John Connor’s from a secret base, and delivered them to the rest of the resistance, somehow without giving away their secret base. They could create the clones then use the time travel shit to teleport them to the rest of the resistance? Have it go unexplained, like the Bear mascot and the old guy in The Shining.
    or
    They could use the Time Travel technology a bunch of times, go to just after the apocolypse, when John Connor is leading the resistance, abduct him from the past, bring him to the present, do that like five hundred times, and then fool Skynet, if that makes sense at all.

    Lataz.

  • http://www.myspace.com/sidvoltaire Sid Voltaire

    That would have been an awesome alternative. But the original ending for the movie Terminator Salvation, where they kill John Connor and use his face to infiltrate the resistance would have been fucking classic, and would have made everything worthwhile, as you pointed out in the review.

    It would be hard to explain how the resistance found a way to trick the perfect killing machines, since Terminators analyze every part of a person, and could possibly relay that information directly to Skynet via wifi, the citing of the first fake John Connor would ruin the ruse and foil The Resistance’s surprise attack. Causing them all to die. Which I would like to see. The Terminators Win. That’d be awesome.

    The only way your version would work would be if The Resistance cloned John Connor’s from a secret base, and delivered them to the rest of the resistance, somehow without giving away their secret base. They could create the clones then use the time travel shit to teleport them to the rest of the resistance? Have it go unexplained, like the Bear mascot and the old guy in The Shining.
    or
    They could use the Time Travel technology a bunch of times, go to just after the apocolypse, when John Connor is leading the resistance, abduct him from the past, bring him to the present, do that like five hundred times, and then fool Skynet, if that makes sense at all.

    Lataz.

  • http://www.myspace.com/sidvoltaire Sid Voltaire

    That would have been an awesome alternative. But the original ending for the movie Terminator Salvation, where they kill John Connor and use his face to infiltrate the resistance would have been fucking classic, and would have made everything worthwhile, as you pointed out in the review.

    It would be hard to explain how the resistance found a way to trick the perfect killing machines, since Terminators analyze every part of a person, and could possibly relay that information directly to Skynet via wifi, the citing of the first fake John Connor would ruin the ruse and foil The Resistance’s surprise attack. Causing them all to die. Which I would like to see. The Terminators Win. That’d be awesome.

    The only way your version would work would be if The Resistance cloned John Connor’s from a secret base, and delivered them to the rest of the resistance, somehow without giving away their secret base. They could create the clones then use the time travel shit to teleport them to the rest of the resistance? Have it go unexplained, like the Bear mascot and the old guy in The Shining.
    or
    They could use the Time Travel technology a bunch of times, go to just after the apocolypse, when John Connor is leading the resistance, abduct him from the past, bring him to the present, do that like five hundred times, and then fool Skynet, if that makes sense at all.

    Lataz.

  • Josh – Matrixman124

    This is actually one of the cleverest ideas you’ve had, TSO.

  • Josh – Matrixman124

    This is actually one of the cleverest ideas you’ve had, TSO.

  • Josh – Matrixman124

    This is actually one of the cleverest ideas you’ve had, TSO.

  • http://arcticsunburn.com/ David Andrew Wiebe

    That was actually a pretty sweet plot, Spoony.

  • http://arcticsunburn.com/ David Andrew Wiebe

    That was actually a pretty sweet plot, Spoony.

  • http://arcticsunburn.com/ David Andrew Wiebe

    That was actually a pretty sweet plot, Spoony.

  • Disthron

    You know, I always thought that if a terminator war movie was to be made is probably shouldn’t have had much to do with John Conner. I mean he was the general so I thought he would have a similar role to that of commander Adama in the new Battelstar Galactica. He planned the assaults and auganised everyone but was not really involved in the action much.

  • Disthron

    You know, I always thought that if a terminator war movie was to be made is probably shouldn’t have had much to do with John Conner. I mean he was the general so I thought he would have a similar role to that of commander Adama in the new Battelstar Galactica. He planned the assaults and auganised everyone but was not really involved in the action much.

  • Disthron

    You know, I always thought that if a terminator war movie was to be made is probably shouldn’t have had much to do with John Conner. I mean he was the general so I thought he would have a similar role to that of commander Adama in the new Battelstar Galactica. He planned the assaults and auganised everyone but was not really involved in the action much.

  • Scherzo

    I don’t think this plot would make the original two movies meaningless at all. In fact, they make them extremely ironic. In trying to stamp out this supposed Messiah, SkyNet has created its own worst enemy; John and Sarah Conner do delay Judgment Day due to their actions in T2, and from then on out, John Conner becomes uberprepaired for the upcoming war. In chasing ghosts, SkyNet has only created more problems for itself.

    Question though, are we operating under the idea that there is a single time line that can “Change”, or one that diverges into multiple realities everytime something like time travel is used. I prefer the latter personally.

  • Scherzo

    I don’t think this plot would make the original two movies meaningless at all. In fact, they make them extremely ironic. In trying to stamp out this supposed Messiah, SkyNet has created its own worst enemy; John and Sarah Conner do delay Judgment Day due to their actions in T2, and from then on out, John Conner becomes uberprepaired for the upcoming war. In chasing ghosts, SkyNet has only created more problems for itself.

    Question though, are we operating under the idea that there is a single time line that can “Change”, or one that diverges into multiple realities everytime something like time travel is used. I prefer the latter personally.

  • Scherzo

    I don’t think this plot would make the original two movies meaningless at all. In fact, they make them extremely ironic. In trying to stamp out this supposed Messiah, SkyNet has created its own worst enemy; John and Sarah Conner do delay Judgment Day due to their actions in T2, and from then on out, John Conner becomes uberprepaired for the upcoming war. In chasing ghosts, SkyNet has only created more problems for itself.

    Question though, are we operating under the idea that there is a single time line that can “Change”, or one that diverges into multiple realities everytime something like time travel is used. I prefer the latter personally.

  • Claytonic

    Your idea is way better than the plot of Salvation.

  • Claytonic

    Your idea is way better than the plot of Salvation.

  • Claytonic

    Your idea is way better than the plot of Salvation.

  • Aedwynn

    I’m thinking that would definitely piss off a lot of fans of the franchise, were it to be ‘canon'; but I think that’s plot synopsis a really good idea. It’s always interesting as to how a machine intelligence would perceive fiction and falsehood. I think it would also be interesting towards the second act of the film where SkyNet actually figures it out and starts circulating propaganda and misinformation of it’s own.

  • Aedwynn

    I’m thinking that would definitely piss off a lot of fans of the franchise, were it to be ‘canon'; but I think that’s plot synopsis a really good idea. It’s always interesting as to how a machine intelligence would perceive fiction and falsehood. I think it would also be interesting towards the second act of the film where SkyNet actually figures it out and starts circulating propaganda and misinformation of it’s own.

  • Aedwynn

    I’m thinking that would definitely piss off a lot of fans of the franchise, were it to be ‘canon'; but I think that’s plot synopsis a really good idea. It’s always interesting as to how a machine intelligence would perceive fiction and falsehood. I think it would also be interesting towards the second act of the film where SkyNet actually figures it out and starts circulating propaganda and misinformation of it’s own.

  • Andrew

    Sounds better than the standard action hero plot they went with.

  • Andrew

    Sounds better than the standard action hero plot they went with.

  • Andrew

    Sounds better than the standard action hero plot they went with.

  • Hank

    I want to point out to each and every person that brings up paradoxes based on the T-101 (Arnold, though I’m not sure of the number designation) that the information he has is based solely on what he believes, or is programmed to believe. How hard is it to program a computer to lie? In T3, following Spoony’s timeline, Arnold killed the original John Conner’s wife’s new husband, or a person she knew, or any of the random John Conners running around. It thinks its mission is accomplished, but it was a fake John it killed anyways.

    To the people that think a war hero dying can cause a “remember the Alamo/for Pearl Harbor” sentiment, realize its in the manner they die, and the condition of the troops hearing it. If a T-101 shoots John in the back of the head from half a mile away, its hugely demoralizing. If the troops are barely hanging on, and find that their idol has been killed, it can cause people to lose their will to fight. Troops in good situations hearing of ridiculous heroics causes that boost.

    Maybe the “We stopped Judgement Day” was never true. Maybe it happened as it was meant to happen, and had already happened. Time paradoxes are screwed up, and I prefer to think of it like DBZ does. For those ignorant of DBZ, that’s when time travel creates/causes you to travel to an entirely different dimension. We/they think they’re manipulating the fourth dimension (time), but are just moving to a different yet similar plane by traveling through the fifth dimension. If that’s true then the entire write your own fate becomes true as well. John can die at any time, for any reason. He isn’t fated to do anything, just what he chooses. Heck the machines may never make an Arnold terminator. Maybe they make something else in THIS timeline.

    Spoony this could work as something to throw out on a blog for discussion, and get over 9000 replies. Its that perfect “kick-in-the-pants” irony. It probably wouldn’t work too well as a movie because most people are shallow and need the main character to win. This ending would be like if in The Patriot Mel Gibson was killed off during that last battle, as he realistically would have been.

  • Hank

    I want to point out to each and every person that brings up paradoxes based on the T-101 (Arnold, though I’m not sure of the number designation) that the information he has is based solely on what he believes, or is programmed to believe. How hard is it to program a computer to lie? In T3, following Spoony’s timeline, Arnold killed the original John Conner’s wife’s new husband, or a person she knew, or any of the random John Conners running around. It thinks its mission is accomplished, but it was a fake John it killed anyways.

    To the people that think a war hero dying can cause a “remember the Alamo/for Pearl Harbor” sentiment, realize its in the manner they die, and the condition of the troops hearing it. If a T-101 shoots John in the back of the head from half a mile away, its hugely demoralizing. If the troops are barely hanging on, and find that their idol has been killed, it can cause people to lose their will to fight. Troops in good situations hearing of ridiculous heroics causes that boost.

    Maybe the “We stopped Judgement Day” was never true. Maybe it happened as it was meant to happen, and had already happened. Time paradoxes are screwed up, and I prefer to think of it like DBZ does. For those ignorant of DBZ, that’s when time travel creates/causes you to travel to an entirely different dimension. We/they think they’re manipulating the fourth dimension (time), but are just moving to a different yet similar plane by traveling through the fifth dimension. If that’s true then the entire write your own fate becomes true as well. John can die at any time, for any reason. He isn’t fated to do anything, just what he chooses. Heck the machines may never make an Arnold terminator. Maybe they make something else in THIS timeline.

    Spoony this could work as something to throw out on a blog for discussion, and get over 9000 replies. Its that perfect “kick-in-the-pants” irony. It probably wouldn’t work too well as a movie because most people are shallow and need the main character to win. This ending would be like if in The Patriot Mel Gibson was killed off during that last battle, as he realistically would have been.

  • Hank

    I want to point out to each and every person that brings up paradoxes based on the T-101 (Arnold, though I’m not sure of the number designation) that the information he has is based solely on what he believes, or is programmed to believe. How hard is it to program a computer to lie? In T3, following Spoony’s timeline, Arnold killed the original John Conner’s wife’s new husband, or a person she knew, or any of the random John Conners running around. It thinks its mission is accomplished, but it was a fake John it killed anyways.

    To the people that think a war hero dying can cause a “remember the Alamo/for Pearl Harbor” sentiment, realize its in the manner they die, and the condition of the troops hearing it. If a T-101 shoots John in the back of the head from half a mile away, its hugely demoralizing. If the troops are barely hanging on, and find that their idol has been killed, it can cause people to lose their will to fight. Troops in good situations hearing of ridiculous heroics causes that boost.

    Maybe the “We stopped Judgement Day” was never true. Maybe it happened as it was meant to happen, and had already happened. Time paradoxes are screwed up, and I prefer to think of it like DBZ does. For those ignorant of DBZ, that’s when time travel creates/causes you to travel to an entirely different dimension. We/they think they’re manipulating the fourth dimension (time), but are just moving to a different yet similar plane by traveling through the fifth dimension. If that’s true then the entire write your own fate becomes true as well. John can die at any time, for any reason. He isn’t fated to do anything, just what he chooses. Heck the machines may never make an Arnold terminator. Maybe they make something else in THIS timeline.

    Spoony this could work as something to throw out on a blog for discussion, and get over 9000 replies. Its that perfect “kick-in-the-pants” irony. It probably wouldn’t work too well as a movie because most people are shallow and need the main character to win. This ending would be like if in The Patriot Mel Gibson was killed off during that last battle, as he realistically would have been.

  • Ben

    That would be a pretty awesome twist, not to be found out until the very end, though.

  • Ben

    That would be a pretty awesome twist, not to be found out until the very end, though.

  • Ben

    That would be a pretty awesome twist, not to be found out until the very end, though.

  • Matthew

    You have a perfect view of what Skynet should be. It’s emotionless, methodical, and doesn’t understand human social constructs or ideas. They’re anathema to it. It wants to stomp them out and create a perfect world of order and reason. It’s super smart technically speaking, but it doesn’t have any human intuition or instincts. Skynet would totally fall for the “John Connor” trap, and be completely oblivious to it.

    that’s awesome.

  • Matthew

    You have a perfect view of what Skynet should be. It’s emotionless, methodical, and doesn’t understand human social constructs or ideas. They’re anathema to it. It wants to stomp them out and create a perfect world of order and reason. It’s super smart technically speaking, but it doesn’t have any human intuition or instincts. Skynet would totally fall for the “John Connor” trap, and be completely oblivious to it.

    that’s awesome.

  • Matthew

    You have a perfect view of what Skynet should be. It’s emotionless, methodical, and doesn’t understand human social constructs or ideas. They’re anathema to it. It wants to stomp them out and create a perfect world of order and reason. It’s super smart technically speaking, but it doesn’t have any human intuition or instincts. Skynet would totally fall for the “John Connor” trap, and be completely oblivious to it.

    that’s awesome.

  • Facepalm

    You say these “are terrible ideas that should never be applauded” and yeah they aren’t good ideas in the “you’re so right Spoony this needs to happen” sense. To use your own words, these ideas are “fun”. I think it would be fun to see some of them put to film.

  • Facepalm

    You say these “are terrible ideas that should never be applauded” and yeah they aren’t good ideas in the “you’re so right Spoony this needs to happen” sense. To use your own words, these ideas are “fun”. I think it would be fun to see some of them put to film.

  • Facepalm

    You say these “are terrible ideas that should never be applauded” and yeah they aren’t good ideas in the “you’re so right Spoony this needs to happen” sense. To use your own words, these ideas are “fun”. I think it would be fun to see some of them put to film.

  • Leviathan

    John Connor supposedly was supposed to fall in love with Katherine Bruster when they were kids, one day before the events of Terminator 2, where he kisses her in Mike Cripkee’s basement. The resistance sends the T-101 to rescue him from the T-1000. But wait, if no time travel had occurred in 1984, where Kyle went back to protect Sarah from the first T-101, then John would have never fallen in love with Katherine Bruster, who is just as important to the resistance, AS ARE THEIR CHILDREN according to the T-101 in the third Terminator film. My guess is, if Kyle had never gone back in time and Skynet had never sent an assassin back in time, then Sarah would have inevitably become some sort of female version of Ted Kizinsky, has a psychotic episode, gets pregnant, kills the father, raises John to be a great military leader, tries to blow up a computer factory and is sent to Pescadero Mental Institution. John is then left orphaned, and then adopted by Todd and his Wife. John meets Katherine Bruster in Mike Cripkee’s basement when they first kiss. Katherine’s father, who is an up and coming soldier and engineer working with private companies like Cyberdine to protect America and her interests, meets John and at first, Katherine’s dad wants John to have nothing to do with his daughter but then his foster parents die in a car crash. Through a series of events involving Katherine, her dad comes to adopt John Connor as his son because he recognizes John as being much like himself as a child. Inevitably, the defense network grid known as Skynet becomes infected with the hyrdra-worm virus, the virus and skynet become a single entity and becomes self aware. Skynet targets humanity as a threat and launches its missiles. Judgement day happens. John being raised by General Bruster learned a great deal about electronics, engineering, artificial intelligence, robotics, military drones, and naturally was the one who knew all of Skynet’s weaknesses. John begins to win the war against skynet by capturing HKs, T-888s, T-101s, and even a few T-1000s, hacking them, and using them to fight skynet with its own hardware. In a desperate move, Skynet invests resources to develop Time Displacement technology. John learns about the new development and piecing together reports from soldiers in the resistance about blinding purple lights with cyborgs emerging from them out of nowhere back in 2008. In the year 2020, John Connor sees a pattern in these phenomenon and realizes that Skynet is figuring out how to send Cyborgs further and further back through time. He realizes that the only way to prevent his own assassination, and the key to destroying skynet, he has to send people and captured/converted cyborgs to protect himself and his mother in the past. He learns that skynet is going to send a terminator back through time to kill his mother so he sends his most reliable soldier to go back through time to protect her. As it just so happens. Kyle Reese father is John Connor’s father. Kyle Reese is actually a clone of a man who died during Judgement day. This man who cloned himself also, at one time, had a fling with a waitress he met the night the events of the first Terminator movie took place. Kyle Reese’s father was a scientist who worked for Cyberdyne and his research is the basis for the technology Skynet uses to grow living tissue for their Cyborgs. After Kyle Reese’s father whom he was cloned from dies in the nuclear explosion, he is adopted by survivors.

  • Leviathan

    John Connor supposedly was supposed to fall in love with Katherine Bruster when they were kids, one day before the events of Terminator 2, where he kisses her in Mike Cripkee’s basement. The resistance sends the T-101 to rescue him from the T-1000. But wait, if no time travel had occurred in 1984, where Kyle went back to protect Sarah from the first T-101, then John would have never fallen in love with Katherine Bruster, who is just as important to the resistance, AS ARE THEIR CHILDREN according to the T-101 in the third Terminator film. My guess is, if Kyle had never gone back in time and Skynet had never sent an assassin back in time, then Sarah would have inevitably become some sort of female version of Ted Kizinsky, has a psychotic episode, gets pregnant, kills the father, raises John to be a great military leader, tries to blow up a computer factory and is sent to Pescadero Mental Institution. John is then left orphaned, and then adopted by Todd and his Wife. John meets Katherine Bruster in Mike Cripkee’s basement when they first kiss. Katherine’s father, who is an up and coming soldier and engineer working with private companies like Cyberdine to protect America and her interests, meets John and at first, Katherine’s dad wants John to have nothing to do with his daughter but then his foster parents die in a car crash. Through a series of events involving Katherine, her dad comes to adopt John Connor as his son because he recognizes John as being much like himself as a child. Inevitably, the defense network grid known as Skynet becomes infected with the hyrdra-worm virus, the virus and skynet become a single entity and becomes self aware. Skynet targets humanity as a threat and launches its missiles. Judgement day happens. John being raised by General Bruster learned a great deal about electronics, engineering, artificial intelligence, robotics, military drones, and naturally was the one who knew all of Skynet’s weaknesses. John begins to win the war against skynet by capturing HKs, T-888s, T-101s, and even a few T-1000s, hacking them, and using them to fight skynet with its own hardware. In a desperate move, Skynet invests resources to develop Time Displacement technology. John learns about the new development and piecing together reports from soldiers in the resistance about blinding purple lights with cyborgs emerging from them out of nowhere back in 2008. In the year 2020, John Connor sees a pattern in these phenomenon and realizes that Skynet is figuring out how to send Cyborgs further and further back through time. He realizes that the only way to prevent his own assassination, and the key to destroying skynet, he has to send people and captured/converted cyborgs to protect himself and his mother in the past. He learns that skynet is going to send a terminator back through time to kill his mother so he sends his most reliable soldier to go back through time to protect her. As it just so happens. Kyle Reese father is John Connor’s father. Kyle Reese is actually a clone of a man who died during Judgement day. This man who cloned himself also, at one time, had a fling with a waitress he met the night the events of the first Terminator movie took place. Kyle Reese’s father was a scientist who worked for Cyberdyne and his research is the basis for the technology Skynet uses to grow living tissue for their Cyborgs. After Kyle Reese’s father whom he was cloned from dies in the nuclear explosion, he is adopted by survivors.

  • Leviathan

    John Connor supposedly was supposed to fall in love with Katherine Bruster when they were kids, one day before the events of Terminator 2, where he kisses her in Mike Cripkee’s basement. The resistance sends the T-101 to rescue him from the T-1000. But wait, if no time travel had occurred in 1984, where Kyle went back to protect Sarah from the first T-101, then John would have never fallen in love with Katherine Bruster, who is just as important to the resistance, AS ARE THEIR CHILDREN according to the T-101 in the third Terminator film. My guess is, if Kyle had never gone back in time and Skynet had never sent an assassin back in time, then Sarah would have inevitably become some sort of female version of Ted Kizinsky, has a psychotic episode, gets pregnant, kills the father, raises John to be a great military leader, tries to blow up a computer factory and is sent to Pescadero Mental Institution. John is then left orphaned, and then adopted by Todd and his Wife. John meets Katherine Bruster in Mike Cripkee’s basement when they first kiss. Katherine’s father, who is an up and coming soldier and engineer working with private companies like Cyberdine to protect America and her interests, meets John and at first, Katherine’s dad wants John to have nothing to do with his daughter but then his foster parents die in a car crash. Through a series of events involving Katherine, her dad comes to adopt John Connor as his son because he recognizes John as being much like himself as a child. Inevitably, the defense network grid known as Skynet becomes infected with the hyrdra-worm virus, the virus and skynet become a single entity and becomes self aware. Skynet targets humanity as a threat and launches its missiles. Judgement day happens. John being raised by General Bruster learned a great deal about electronics, engineering, artificial intelligence, robotics, military drones, and naturally was the one who knew all of Skynet’s weaknesses. John begins to win the war against skynet by capturing HKs, T-888s, T-101s, and even a few T-1000s, hacking them, and using them to fight skynet with its own hardware. In a desperate move, Skynet invests resources to develop Time Displacement technology. John learns about the new development and piecing together reports from soldiers in the resistance about blinding purple lights with cyborgs emerging from them out of nowhere back in 2008. In the year 2020, John Connor sees a pattern in these phenomenon and realizes that Skynet is figuring out how to send Cyborgs further and further back through time. He realizes that the only way to prevent his own assassination, and the key to destroying skynet, he has to send people and captured/converted cyborgs to protect himself and his mother in the past. He learns that skynet is going to send a terminator back through time to kill his mother so he sends his most reliable soldier to go back through time to protect her. As it just so happens. Kyle Reese father is John Connor’s father. Kyle Reese is actually a clone of a man who died during Judgement day. This man who cloned himself also, at one time, had a fling with a waitress he met the night the events of the first Terminator movie took place. Kyle Reese’s father was a scientist who worked for Cyberdyne and his research is the basis for the technology Skynet uses to grow living tissue for their Cyborgs. After Kyle Reese’s father whom he was cloned from dies in the nuclear explosion, he is adopted by survivors.

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  • Swing on teh Spiral

    ive never liked the terminator movies, whether it was arnolds terrible acting, or the psuedo-logical time paradoxies that never had a definative explanation. its too symbolic, and as a fan of the matrix im no hater of depth and symbolism. but the terminator franchise is waaaay too specific. i mean, you have this single mother, she gives birth to a child with the initials JC, he’s the chosen one, rising up to overcome an armageddon as the savior of mankind. its almost like corporate christian brainwashing.

    btw, i was really surprised to see you didnt do a g.i. joe review.
    c’mon. am i gonna have to see it to experience the audacity of another live action adaption of an 80’s cartoon?! T_T

  • Swing on teh Spiral

    ive never liked the terminator movies, whether it was arnolds terrible acting, or the psuedo-logical time paradoxies that never had a definative explanation. its too symbolic, and as a fan of the matrix im no hater of depth and symbolism. but the terminator franchise is waaaay too specific. i mean, you have this single mother, she gives birth to a child with the initials JC, he’s the chosen one, rising up to overcome an armageddon as the savior of mankind. its almost like corporate christian brainwashing.

    btw, i was really surprised to see you didnt do a g.i. joe review.
    c’mon. am i gonna have to see it to experience the audacity of another live action adaption of an 80’s cartoon?! T_T

  • Swing on teh Spiral

    ive never liked the terminator movies, whether it was arnolds terrible acting, or the psuedo-logical time paradoxies that never had a definative explanation. its too symbolic, and as a fan of the matrix im no hater of depth and symbolism. but the terminator franchise is waaaay too specific. i mean, you have this single mother, she gives birth to a child with the initials JC, he’s the chosen one, rising up to overcome an armageddon as the savior of mankind. its almost like corporate christian brainwashing.

    btw, i was really surprised to see you didnt do a g.i. joe review.
    c’mon. am i gonna have to see it to experience the audacity of another live action adaption of an 80’s cartoon?! T_T

  • http://www.myspace.com/pvtcaboose-1 pvtcaboose

    this comment is for the Warrior Public speaking thing, for some reason I couldn’t post it there, wierd, the post comment box just wouldn’t show up so….

    Ok thats it, I’m starting to feel sorry for WARRIOR! I think the guy is genuinly retarded, and now I feel bad for laughing at him, HE ROBBED ME OF THE FUN OF LAUGHING AT HIM :'( but I cant stop laughing he is such an idiot, man:Whats wrong with homosexuality WARRIOR: Reality. Reality doesn’t work that way._____ ok wtf is with this wow he is so freakin dumb, (for any homophobes out there who think I’m gay for this, I’m not, I have a wonderful girlfriend, but I do support gay rights, but even if I was a homophobe, I would still laugh at that. “Reality doesn’t work that way” I guess he MEANS that with homosexuality you can’t have kids, but he doesn’t SAY that lol.

  • http://www.myspace.com/pvtcaboose-1 pvtcaboose

    this comment is for the Warrior Public speaking thing, for some reason I couldn’t post it there, wierd, the post comment box just wouldn’t show up so….

    Ok thats it, I’m starting to feel sorry for WARRIOR! I think the guy is genuinly retarded, and now I feel bad for laughing at him, HE ROBBED ME OF THE FUN OF LAUGHING AT HIM :'( but I cant stop laughing he is such an idiot, man:Whats wrong with homosexuality WARRIOR: Reality. Reality doesn’t work that way._____ ok wtf is with this wow he is so freakin dumb, (for any homophobes out there who think I’m gay for this, I’m not, I have a wonderful girlfriend, but I do support gay rights, but even if I was a homophobe, I would still laugh at that. “Reality doesn’t work that way” I guess he MEANS that with homosexuality you can’t have kids, but he doesn’t SAY that lol.

  • http://www.myspace.com/pvtcaboose-1 pvtcaboose

    this comment is for the Warrior Public speaking thing, for some reason I couldn’t post it there, wierd, the post comment box just wouldn’t show up so….

    Ok thats it, I’m starting to feel sorry for WARRIOR! I think the guy is genuinly retarded, and now I feel bad for laughing at him, HE ROBBED ME OF THE FUN OF LAUGHING AT HIM :'( but I cant stop laughing he is such an idiot, man:Whats wrong with homosexuality WARRIOR: Reality. Reality doesn’t work that way._____ ok wtf is with this wow he is so freakin dumb, (for any homophobes out there who think I’m gay for this, I’m not, I have a wonderful girlfriend, but I do support gay rights, but even if I was a homophobe, I would still laugh at that. “Reality doesn’t work that way” I guess he MEANS that with homosexuality you can’t have kids, but he doesn’t SAY that lol.

  • http://www.myspace.com/pvtcaboose-1 pvtcaboose

    wow I almost never read ur text reviews but this bloggy thing is AMAZING!!!! you totally need to make an exploitation film of this it kicks ASS!!!! like OMFG best fanfiction EVER

  • http://www.myspace.com/pvtcaboose-1 pvtcaboose

    wow I almost never read ur text reviews but this bloggy thing is AMAZING!!!! you totally need to make an exploitation film of this it kicks ASS!!!! like OMFG best fanfiction EVER

  • http://www.myspace.com/pvtcaboose-1 pvtcaboose

    wow I almost never read ur text reviews but this bloggy thing is AMAZING!!!! you totally need to make an exploitation film of this it kicks ASS!!!! like OMFG best fanfiction EVER

  • Hitmonchan

    Terminator V: John Connor must die. Lol

  • Hitmonchan

    Terminator V: John Connor must die. Lol

  • Hitmonchan

    Terminator V: John Connor must die. Lol

  • Hitmonchan

    Salvation shouldve been the last movie for the franchise. i mean come on, less than 2 hours full of overused CGI crap and the plot focused on an unkown murderer by the name of marcus wright isnt terminator. i thought the original idea of how terminators got human skin around them in order to infiltrate and be unsuspected by real humans was that in the war they captured and harvested people to later kill them for their eyes and skin for the T800s (remember in T1 reese mentioned that the T600s were easy to spot for the rubber skin), but noooooooooo, McG and those amateur writers decided to include marcus instead of finishing the sequel into the prequel by john reealing to kyle that hes his musc more older son and sends him to the past to save sarah before the “AH-nold” T800, who also was sent to 1984 by skynet, terminates her.

  • Hitmonchan

    Salvation shouldve been the last movie for the franchise. i mean come on, less than 2 hours full of overused CGI crap and the plot focused on an unkown murderer by the name of marcus wright isnt terminator. i thought the original idea of how terminators got human skin around them in order to infiltrate and be unsuspected by real humans was that in the war they captured and harvested people to later kill them for their eyes and skin for the T800s (remember in T1 reese mentioned that the T600s were easy to spot for the rubber skin), but noooooooooo, McG and those amateur writers decided to include marcus instead of finishing the sequel into the prequel by john reealing to kyle that hes his musc more older son and sends him to the past to save sarah before the “AH-nold” T800, who also was sent to 1984 by skynet, terminates her.

  • Hitmonchan

    Salvation shouldve been the last movie for the franchise. i mean come on, less than 2 hours full of overused CGI crap and the plot focused on an unkown murderer by the name of marcus wright isnt terminator. i thought the original idea of how terminators got human skin around them in order to infiltrate and be unsuspected by real humans was that in the war they captured and harvested people to later kill them for their eyes and skin for the T800s (remember in T1 reese mentioned that the T600s were easy to spot for the rubber skin), but noooooooooo, McG and those amateur writers decided to include marcus instead of finishing the sequel into the prequel by john reealing to kyle that hes his musc more older son and sends him to the past to save sarah before the “AH-nold” T800, who also was sent to 1984 by skynet, terminates her.

  • Hitmonchan

    my favorite part of the movie was DO IT, YOU SON OF A BITCH!!!!!!!!!!!!

    AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

    AAAAAAAARRRRRGH

    after that it sucked when connor tried to revive marcus

  • Hitmonchan

    my favorite part of the movie was DO IT, YOU SON OF A BITCH!!!!!!!!!!!!

    AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

    AAAAAAAARRRRRGH

    after that it sucked when connor tried to revive marcus

  • Hitmonchan

    my favorite part of the movie was DO IT, YOU SON OF A BITCH!!!!!!!!!!!!

    AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

    AAAAAAAARRRRRGH

    after that it sucked when connor tried to revive marcus

  • Hitmonchan

    Re:Matthew “you have a perfect way…”
    I think you forgot a major fact that came directly from T2. Ah-nold told Sarah that Skynet learned at a geometrical pace and became self-aware, thinking that humans were Skynets enemy. Also (and this is a major drag for Salvations plot), Ah-nold also mention to John that he can learn human emotions and values, however Skynet presets the switch to read-only because as Sarah said “it doesnt want you to think too much”. My point is, Matthew, if McG knew this fact Salvation coulda have a better plot without including Mad Murderin’ Marky Marc Marcus Wright, and allowing T800 to infiltrate in the Resistance and eventually kill John Connor but not Reese because he was sent under Johns orders to protect Sarah before being Terminated by none other than the evil Ah-nold T800 who also sets out in the past to terminate both Kyle and Sarah, thus canonizing Salvation with T1

    Also anyone noticed that there were no little brats that called Jonh “Daddy”? I thought he had kids with Kate Brewster…

  • Hitmonchan

    Re:Matthew “you have a perfect way…”
    I think you forgot a major fact that came directly from T2. Ah-nold told Sarah that Skynet learned at a geometrical pace and became self-aware, thinking that humans were Skynets enemy. Also (and this is a major drag for Salvations plot), Ah-nold also mention to John that he can learn human emotions and values, however Skynet presets the switch to read-only because as Sarah said “it doesnt want you to think too much”. My point is, Matthew, if McG knew this fact Salvation coulda have a better plot without including Mad Murderin’ Marky Marc Marcus Wright, and allowing T800 to infiltrate in the Resistance and eventually kill John Connor but not Reese because he was sent under Johns orders to protect Sarah before being Terminated by none other than the evil Ah-nold T800 who also sets out in the past to terminate both Kyle and Sarah, thus canonizing Salvation with T1

    Also anyone noticed that there were no little brats that called Jonh “Daddy”? I thought he had kids with Kate Brewster…

  • Hitmonchan

    Re:Matthew “you have a perfect way…”
    I think you forgot a major fact that came directly from T2. Ah-nold told Sarah that Skynet learned at a geometrical pace and became self-aware, thinking that humans were Skynets enemy. Also (and this is a major drag for Salvations plot), Ah-nold also mention to John that he can learn human emotions and values, however Skynet presets the switch to read-only because as Sarah said “it doesnt want you to think too much”. My point is, Matthew, if McG knew this fact Salvation coulda have a better plot without including Mad Murderin’ Marky Marc Marcus Wright, and allowing T800 to infiltrate in the Resistance and eventually kill John Connor but not Reese because he was sent under Johns orders to protect Sarah before being Terminated by none other than the evil Ah-nold T800 who also sets out in the past to terminate both Kyle and Sarah, thus canonizing Salvation with T1

    Also anyone noticed that there were no little brats that called Jonh “Daddy”? I thought he had kids with Kate Brewster…

  • Houiostesmoiras

    I disagree; this would be an awesome script, and _someone_ should write it.

  • Houiostesmoiras

    I disagree; this would be an awesome script, and _someone_ should write it.

  • Houiostesmoiras

    I disagree; this would be an awesome script, and _someone_ should write it.

  • witheringsanity

    THAT… IS… BRILLIANT. i am not kidding at ALL when i say you should seriously contact whoever's making the new terminator movies and pitch that idea. it would make for the most fantastic final film twist ending.

  • witheringsanity

    THAT… IS… BRILLIANT. i am not kidding at ALL when i say you should seriously contact whoever's making the new terminator movies and pitch that idea. it would make for the most fantastic final film twist ending.

  • http://openid-provider.appspot.com/Viredae Viredae

    I think you misunderstand the genius in all of this, anything you might think of concerning these series, ANYTHING, is hard pressed to turn out worse that it already is, these are franchises that already hit rock bottom.

    Besides, originality is highly overrated, we don't need unique, we need good.

  • http://twitter.com/Ictiv György Somorjai

    Wierd i was thinking something similar when i originally saw Terminator 3 (lets be honest the John Connor we heard of from the future stood closer to Arnold than him, and that's till pretty far away).

    But a few days ago I re watched the series because i wanted to understand where exactly should they have taken a different direction…
    I realized its not that bad that he isn't really like a Vietnamese war hero who cut trough the jungle alone and took out half of the Viet Kong with his eyes closed and both hands tied back.
    Actually it hit me during the beginning-ish scene in T3 where they are traveling in a van with Mrs. Connor in the back. And Johnny notices a strange coincidence about the Terminator's sudden appearance (not sure what it was exactly).

    For just a second imagine if him being the chosen one was not 'simply' about being something of a war hero, if that was only a wake up call for HQ… What if his real ability was see patterns coincidences in happenings? Skynet is a computer it is programed mathematically, so to some depth every movement it makes follows a complex pattern. What if he can predict Skynets next movements even when HQ fails to do so? That would be something to fear from Skynet's side wouldn't it?

  • itbegins2005

    Okay, first of all, this is not a bad idea- this is a fucking BRILLIANT idea, the kind of idea that would kill a franchise instantly by alienating longtime fans while simultaneously obliterating any real sequel potential by axing the main character (presumably near the end of the film in question, unless it pulls a Psycho by introducing a new main character after Connor's demise). This is, for lack of a better term, the “Twilight Zone” ending of the Terminator franchise, the kind of ending I would expect from, say, Richard Matheson (one of my favorite authors, BTW).

    Secondly, I kinda thought they should have killed John Connor in the third movie, perhaps by having him realize that he is, in some way, the result of a paradoxical causality loop that links his theoretically impossible existence with Skynet's, and so the only way to permanently destroy Skynet is to die as well, closing the loop and repairing the timeline. After all, Skynet's existence is directly responsible for Connor's birth (without Skynet, there never would have been a reason to send back Reese), and Connor's existence was one of the principle factors in Skynet's inception (the arm and the chip from T2 opening the doors to new avenues of research for Cyberdyne). They're both temporal anomolies! I read a great fan script (I usually don't, but it was a good one) that theorized that it was mankind experimenting with time travel in the 2000s that accidentally created the temporal loophole that allowed Skynet and Connor to exist in the first place, and I think it's a clever, logical explanation for what is essentially just a continuity nightmare. The script was called Tempest: Terminator 3, and if you ever get a chance to read it, I recommend it highly (it also featured Arnold as Skynet itself, downloaded into a Terminator endo and sent into the past, where he dresses in Armani and drives a Ferrari. He later trades up for a general's uniform and a humvee, har har).

    Finally, I don't know if anyone mantioned this (I didn't read all the comments), but the original ending to Terminator: Salvation was kinda similar to this, in a way. Unfortunately, it was infinitely less plausible: Connor dies after having a metal pike driven through his chest (which you'd think would be a given), but everyone knows that his name and legacy are invaluable to the Resistance… so they GRAFT HIS FACE onto Marcus Wright, and Marcus becomes the new John Connor. This idea was unbelievably stupid, not least because because Sam Worthington's bone structure is so vastly different from Christian Bale's, but at least it showed a spark of originality- and it even explained why Marcus, not John, is clearly the main character in that movie! But I guess the idea was a little too extreme for Warner Bros., so they dumped it in favor of guerilla heart surgery… which, honestly, I can't decide which one's more implausible.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_MCK6CIYZ2C55FES3NW4BAOTG4E Christina

      “this is a fucking BRILLIANT idea, the kind of idea that would kill a
      franchise instantly by alienating longtime fans while simultaneously
      obliterating any real sequel potential by axing the main character”

      Not really. Given that John Connor’s been played by a different actor in every movie so far, who cares about replacing him? It worked with Doctor Who…

      • Tab

        Doctor Who at least has an explanation for why it can do that. Granted, it’s rather weak, but it’s there.

        John Connor has no such ability.

        • TobyMobias

          James Bond then, I suppose.

  • Anonymous

    Okay, first of all, this is not a bad idea- this is a fucking BRILLIANT idea, the kind of idea that would kill a franchise instantly by alienating longtime fans while simultaneously obliterating any real sequel potential by axing the main character (presumably near the end of the film in question, unless it pulls a Psycho by introducing a new main character after Connor’s demise). This is, for lack of a better term, the “Twilight Zone” ending of the Terminator franchise, the kind of ending I would expect from, say, Richard Matheson (one of my favorite authors, BTW).

    Secondly, I kinda thought they should have killed John Connor in the third movie, perhaps by having him realize that he is, in some way, the result of a paradoxical causality loop that links his theoretically impossible existence with Skynet’s, and so the only way to permanently destroy Skynet is to die as well, closing the loop and repairing the timeline. After all, Skynet’s existence is directly responsible for Connor’s birth (without Skynet, there never would have been a reason to send back Reese), and Connor’s existence was one of the principle factors in Skynet’s inception (the arm and the chip from T2 opening the doors to new avenues of research for Cyberdyne). They’re both temporal anomolies! I read a great fan script (I usually don’t, but it was a good one) that theorized that it was mankind experimenting with time travel in the 2000s that accidentally created the temporal loophole that allowed Skynet and Connor to exist in the first place, and I think it’s a clever, logical explanation for what is essentially just a continuity nightmare. The script was called Tempest: Terminator 3, and if you ever get a chance to read it, I recommend it highly (it also featured Arnold as Skynet itself, downloaded into a Terminator endo and sent into the past, where he dresses in Armani and drives a Ferrari. He later trades up for a general’s uniform and a humvee, har har).

    Finally, I don’t know if anyone mantioned this (I didn’t read all the comments), but the original ending to Terminator: Salvation was kinda similar to this, in a way. Unfortunately, it was infinitely less plausible: Connor dies after having a metal pike driven through his chest (which you’d think would be a given), but everyone knows that his name and legacy are invaluable to the Resistance… so they GRAFT HIS FACE onto Marcus Wright, and Marcus becomes the new John Connor. This idea was unbelievably stupid, not least because because Sam Worthington’s bone structure is so vastly different from Christian Bale’s, but at least it showed a spark of originality- and it even explained why Marcus, not John, is clearly the main character in that movie! But I guess the idea was a little too extreme for Warner Bros., so they dumped it in favor of guerilla heart surgery… which, honestly, I can’t decide which one’s more implausible.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Aaron-Kerr/100000680887523 Aaron Kerr

    The hell are you talking about, Spoony, this is GENIUS!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Aaron-Kerr/100000680887523 Aaron Kerr

    The hell are you talking about, Spoony, this is GENIUS!

  • Geoffrey Walter

    Are you high, Spoony? This isn’t a terrible idea, this is actually pretty fucking awesome :D

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ICDHG7TLTN6JVK6JMK3TKQFXKQ Mike Wallace

    Your entire theory has merit, and might have even been viable had the filmmakers wrote Skynet as, you know, a fucking computer, and not some finger-steepling Dr. Claw parody stroking a robotic cat in some hidden gothic castle.

  • Christopher Shanahan

    Dude, this would be a perfect way to both reboot and put to rest the series.

    Think of it. A three part movie series.

    The first one is very cryptic on what’s happening. You follow a ragtag group through a war-torn wasteland trying their hardest to survive an enemy that’s never actually seen on screen. And only at the very end do you meet John Connor, the brilliant tactician, and the first on-screen T-101.
    Don’t even CALL it Terminator. Have it be a total surprise to the audience.

    In the second one you take the ragtag group you followed in the first movie, and have them fight alongside John to his untimely death, learning to be like him the entire way. He explains his past, his plan, and his reputation, and has them all promise to follow through. The movie ends with the group splitting up to find and unify the human army.

    The third is the final fight. Everything was leading up to this. The once disjoint human army is now unified and working synchronously. Skynet can’t keep up from this dramatic turn of events and through the movie we follow it figuring out that the problem is “John Connor”.
    It turns it’s time machines (created initially to reverse the recent human retaliation due to it’s complexity) to eradicating the entity known as John Connor from existence. But because John was trained from a young age, he’s stayed off the radar and Skynet gets little more than the name of his mother.
    Skynet sends it’s most advanced machine to eradicate John, but it is unable to send it back far enough.
    Skynet spends some more time and more power and is able to send back a T-1000 , only to find the time portal malfunctioned and didn’t send him back far enough.
    After a final recalculation, Skynet successfully sends a T-101 back to the proper time just as ‘John’ wins the war.
    ‘John’ enters the portal room (or sees it) just as the T-101 moves though, and immediately knows what just happened.
    Movie end.

  • http://www.facebook.com/awise1 Alex Wise

    You need to create more of these.

  • http://twitter.com/BHGOzzy Benjamin Osborn

    This isn’t ruining Terminator, especially after the 4th movie with Batma— I mean, Christian Bale as John Conner.

    This would actually be a GREAT Origins Story for the stuff, an original timeline that no longer exists!

  • http://twitter.com/Semudara Zarik Earthfire

    FIrst of all, the premise behind these articles is that the idea is NOT a good idea for future movies, and that said future movies simply SHOULD NOT EXIST.

    Therefore, I see this not so much as a suggestion for future movies (T3 basically killed the franchise anyway), but as an intelligent fanfic that applies to the initial timeline of T1 and T2, before Judgment Day is prevented and the new timeline (Good Future) was created. And in that regard, this is actually a really good idea and just a plain good piece of writing (in my opinion).

  • http://www.facebook.com/Farshnuke Gordon Jones

    This is now my personal theory on the terminator franchise thankyou

  • Madd Kossack

    Ok, I know you are trying to screw these screenplays up on purpose, but
    there’s a reason your ideas are being met with wild acclaim: it’s
    because these are still concepts rather than actual movies (or even
    actual screenplays for that matter), so there’s still a possibility for
    them to work: not in a “so-bad-it’s-good” way, but as legitimately fun
    and enjoyable films. To paraphrase MovieBob “You can make a good movie
    about anything”, so long as the writers, directors, and/or producers
    don’t fuck up the delivery beyond that promising tagline. Instead of
    getting Micheal Bay from “Transformers” to direct the “X-Com” movie, why
    not get Guillermo del Toro from “Pacific Rim”? An “X-Files” reboot or
    spiritual successor going after more Lovecraftian horrors definitely
    sounds cool (hopefully with some better odds for the heroes to make the
    finale tense and on edge rather than bleak and forgone). And
    ironically, even this idea for the Terminator series is still a more
    intriguing concept than what “Terminator: Salvation” actually gave us
    (y’know, just stuff blowing up without any plot or character
    development? So by the numbers that the Shaymalan-level twist of “John
    Connor gets killed and Marcus Wright takes on his identity to keep the
    revolution alive” in the original edit would’ve been welcome to shake up
    the box?). I’ll go into more details with the other entries, but
    suffice to say, there’s more good in your screenplays than you think.

    You just need to make sure not to give them to people with low budgets, and even lower IQ levels.

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