X3: Terran Conflict

The Spoony One | Apr 15 2009 | more notation(s) | 

I really can’t stand this anymore.

I used to be a dyed-in-the-wool PC gamer. Through and through. You know those Underdogs and Abandonia sites? Those are my PC shelves. I’ve pretty much got ‘em all. I wasn’t just being a collector, PC gaming used to be awesome. A lot of people rolled their eyes and snickered when I whined “it’s so hard to be a PC gamer nowadays,” but I meant it. It sucks now. Not only have the general quality and innovation tailed off sharply, leaving us with little more than generic shooters and RTSes, but software and technology have conspired to make the whole experience of playing a game as frustrating and painful as possible.

There used to be a real rivalry between PC and console gamers, back when PC technology far outpaced the consoles, whose evolution only came in staggering leaps every few years. Mouse controls and keyboard inputs allowed for much more complex games than your 2-4 button controllers. Now? It’s just pathetic. Say what you want about console fanboys and their bitter obsessions, at least when they put a disc in their console, it fucking works. Their games are (generally) tested to some sort of performance standard. They don’t have to deal with weird hardware/software incompatibilities, bloated, monolithic operating systems, and worst of all, fucking copy protection rootkits that, more often than not, end up ruining my system and turning my new game into an expensive shiny drink coaster.

Because that’s all X3 is. It comes packaged with the TAGES copy protection system. I don’t know what it does, and I don’t want to know. I have enough problems with SecuROM that I don’t want yet another piece of shit DRM virus infesting my system. At least TAGES has the courtesy to ask if I want it installed, but now what do I do? I’ve got a game that I can’t return, and I can’t install. Do I really have to research all my future game purchases to see if it’s got DRM software now? Have I really been reduced to giving games background checks to see if they have software syphilis?

Now I’m reduced to seeing if there’s anyone out there who’s found an illicit way of circumventing the copy protection, just to see if my legitimately-purchased game will ever function. Do you see what’s happening here? Do you see the lengths you’re driving honest people to? You’re actually forcing us to turn to the very people you’re trying to stop.

And that raises a very important question: am I paying the wrong people?

  • CloudWOmega

    I agree, but then again i know turning to the opposition is tempting! but its hardly worth it! by joining the pirates what do you think will happen? they will start cutting off the PC game world! they already have started shaving us down.

  • CloudWOmega

    I agree, but then again i know turning to the opposition is tempting! but its hardly worth it! by joining the pirates what do you think will happen? they will start cutting off the PC game world! they already have started shaving us down.

  • shibuib

    I agree fully dude.

    This is part of the reason why I have kinda given up on PC gaming (mostly because I am poor).

  • shibuib

    I agree fully dude.

    This is part of the reason why I have kinda given up on PC gaming (mostly because I am poor).

  • CloudWOmega

    I agree, but then again i know turning to the opposition is tempting! but its hardly worth it! by joining the pirates what do you think will happen? they will start cutting off the PC game world! they already have started shaving us down.

  • shibuib

    I agree fully dude.

    This is part of the reason why I have kinda given up on PC gaming (mostly because I am poor).

  • tentakl

    I’m 100% with you on this one. The old DOOM, Wing Commander, Myth (ever played that?) and lots more – those were the games. Now? Not much to say – newest Guitar Hero releases are getting tiresome, and WoW isn’t as fun as it used to be. Thank God for DOSBox.

  • tentakl

    I’m 100% with you on this one. The old DOOM, Wing Commander, Myth (ever played that?) and lots more – those were the games. Now? Not much to say – newest Guitar Hero releases are getting tiresome, and WoW isn’t as fun as it used to be. Thank God for DOSBox.

  • tentakl

    I’m 100% with you on this one. The old DOOM, Wing Commander, Myth (ever played that?) and lots more – those were the games. Now? Not much to say – newest Guitar Hero releases are getting tiresome, and WoW isn’t as fun as it used to be. Thank God for DOSBox.

  • Doppel

    Thats why i buy through Steam.

  • Doppel

    Thats why i buy through Steam.

  • Doppel

    Thats why i buy through Steam.

  • BoJangles

    “Say what you want about console fanboys and their bitter obsessions, at least when they put a disc in their console, it fucking works.”
    Yeah, and Macs “just work” too, and yet they’re limited severely both in hardware and software. Someone who bought an iMac which has pixel death will be required to send the whole PC in for service. So too will someone with a console problem. The modularity of PCs is its power. There are no vendor lock-ins to PC, and users have unlimited freedom. Spoony simply is becoming too old for PC gaming, and is too lazy to learn the basic necessary skills of PC maintenance.

  • BoJangles

    “Say what you want about console fanboys and their bitter obsessions, at least when they put a disc in their console, it fucking works.”
    Yeah, and Macs “just work” too, and yet they’re limited severely both in hardware and software. Someone who bought an iMac which has pixel death will be required to send the whole PC in for service. So too will someone with a console problem. The modularity of PCs is its power. There are no vendor lock-ins to PC, and users have unlimited freedom. Spoony simply is becoming too old for PC gaming, and is too lazy to learn the basic necessary skills of PC maintenance.

  • BoJangles

    “Say what you want about console fanboys and their bitter obsessions, at least when they put a disc in their console, it fucking works.”
    Yeah, and Macs “just work” too, and yet they’re limited severely both in hardware and software. Someone who bought an iMac which has pixel death will be required to send the whole PC in for service. So too will someone with a console problem. The modularity of PCs is its power. There are no vendor lock-ins to PC, and users have unlimited freedom. Spoony simply is becoming too old for PC gaming, and is too lazy to learn the basic necessary skills of PC maintenance.

  • http://www.spoonyexperiment.com/ Spoony

    Steam isn’t necessarily a cure-all for this problem. I’ve read about many games purchased through Steam still having DRM software included.

  • http://www.spoonyexperiment.com/ Spoony

    Steam isn’t necessarily a cure-all for this problem. I’ve read about many games purchased through Steam still having DRM software included.

  • Hossrex

    While I’m sure you’d have been fine with the TAGES stuff installed, my biggest problem is the escalation of whats seen as acceptable.

    How long until a Sony game wont pay until you allow it to run a piece of software that checks if you have (or have ever had) an illegal copy of a Sony project, and if you have the game wont install.

    That’s something that Sony could do, and a lot of people would support it, simply because the software piracy numbers are outrageously overstated. It doesn’t even sound bad. If you’ve ever pirated something from Sony, Sony doesn’t want to deal with you. The problem with that is (most importantly) the invasion of privacy, and (almost as importantly) lots of people wouldn’t be able to run the game, which just drives people into piracy.

    I was excited about Spore for years. Then it was released with securerom, which I refuse to support, so I didn’t buy it. I didn’t pirate it… but I didn’t buy it. I just lost all interest in their project (or their future projects), because of securerom.

    Is that what they want?

  • Hossrex

    While I’m sure you’d have been fine with the TAGES stuff installed, my biggest problem is the escalation of whats seen as acceptable.

    How long until a Sony game wont pay until you allow it to run a piece of software that checks if you have (or have ever had) an illegal copy of a Sony project, and if you have the game wont install.

    That’s something that Sony could do, and a lot of people would support it, simply because the software piracy numbers are outrageously overstated. It doesn’t even sound bad. If you’ve ever pirated something from Sony, Sony doesn’t want to deal with you. The problem with that is (most importantly) the invasion of privacy, and (almost as importantly) lots of people wouldn’t be able to run the game, which just drives people into piracy.

    I was excited about Spore for years. Then it was released with securerom, which I refuse to support, so I didn’t buy it. I didn’t pirate it… but I didn’t buy it. I just lost all interest in their project (or their future projects), because of securerom.

    Is that what they want?

  • http://www.spoonyexperiment.com Spoony

    Steam isn’t necessarily a cure-all for this problem. I’ve read about many games purchased through Steam still having DRM software included.

  • Hossrex

    While I’m sure you’d have been fine with the TAGES stuff installed, my biggest problem is the escalation of whats seen as acceptable.

    How long until a Sony game wont pay until you allow it to run a piece of software that checks if you have (or have ever had) an illegal copy of a Sony project, and if you have the game wont install.

    That’s something that Sony could do, and a lot of people would support it, simply because the software piracy numbers are outrageously overstated. It doesn’t even sound bad. If you’ve ever pirated something from Sony, Sony doesn’t want to deal with you. The problem with that is (most importantly) the invasion of privacy, and (almost as importantly) lots of people wouldn’t be able to run the game, which just drives people into piracy.

    I was excited about Spore for years. Then it was released with securerom, which I refuse to support, so I didn’t buy it. I didn’t pirate it… but I didn’t buy it. I just lost all interest in their project (or their future projects), because of securerom.

    Is that what they want?

  • http://www.spoonyexperiment.com/ Spoony

    This has nothing to do with PC maintenance. This has to do with assholes infecting my computer with rootkits and unwelcome software that keeps my legitimate software from running properly.

  • http://www.spoonyexperiment.com/ Spoony

    This has nothing to do with PC maintenance. This has to do with assholes infecting my computer with rootkits and unwelcome software that keeps my legitimate software from running properly.

  • http://www.spoonyexperiment.com Spoony

    This has nothing to do with PC maintenance. This has to do with assholes infecting my computer with rootkits and unwelcome software that keeps my legitimate software from running properly.

  • Hossrex

    “Spoony simply is becoming too old for PC gaming, and is too lazy to learn the basic necessary skills of PC maintenance.”

    Funny, because if I remember right, computer programming is one of Noah’s professions.

    He’s not saying “I’m stupid, and I can’t get this to work”, he’s saying “I don’t want this shit on my computer, and damn them for making me resort to shady sources, just to play the game I paid for”.

    Big difference.

  • Hossrex

    “Spoony simply is becoming too old for PC gaming, and is too lazy to learn the basic necessary skills of PC maintenance.”

    Funny, because if I remember right, computer programming is one of Noah’s professions.

    He’s not saying “I’m stupid, and I can’t get this to work”, he’s saying “I don’t want this shit on my computer, and damn them for making me resort to shady sources, just to play the game I paid for”.

    Big difference.

  • Hossrex

    “Spoony simply is becoming too old for PC gaming, and is too lazy to learn the basic necessary skills of PC maintenance.”

    Funny, because if I remember right, computer programming is one of Noah’s professions.

    He’s not saying “I’m stupid, and I can’t get this to work”, he’s saying “I don’t want this shit on my computer, and damn them for making me resort to shady sources, just to play the game I paid for”.

    Big difference.

  • KaylaKaze

    Piracy wins again. There’s no reason why you can’t buy a game and then pirate it. I’m not sure if the pirated copy installs the copy protection stuff and then bypasses it or just doesn’t install it at all in the first place.

    And Spore’s not even worth pirating, let alone buying. Not until they have model export to 3ds format (including movement animations).

  • KaylaKaze

    Piracy wins again. There’s no reason why you can’t buy a game and then pirate it. I’m not sure if the pirated copy installs the copy protection stuff and then bypasses it or just doesn’t install it at all in the first place.

    And Spore’s not even worth pirating, let alone buying. Not until they have model export to 3ds format (including movement animations).

  • KaylaKaze

    Piracy wins again. There’s no reason why you can’t buy a game and then pirate it. I’m not sure if the pirated copy installs the copy protection stuff and then bypasses it or just doesn’t install it at all in the first place.

    And Spore’s not even worth pirating, let alone buying. Not until they have model export to 3ds format (including movement animations).

  • Aurini

    It’s all part of the problem with the gaming industry going Hollywood; as the hype surrounding AAA titles has grown, and demand for shiny graphics has outstripped storytelling or gameplay (see Fallout 3: a 7/10 game at best, which butchers the stories of the earlier games), the gaming industry has become a behemoth more concerned with their marketing departments and pleasing investors with false security, than producing art.

    This is setting the whole thing up for a revolution, where high-quality, DRM free, independently produced games rise to the forefront – a revolution I hope to be a part of, after I’m done dealing with the Publishing industry and Hollywood.

    In the meantime, though, you’re bang on: I still refuse to lower myself to buying a console, but an average hack’n’slash or space marine shoot’em’up on those systems is about the best we can hope for in the immediate future.

  • Aurini

    It’s all part of the problem with the gaming industry going Hollywood; as the hype surrounding AAA titles has grown, and demand for shiny graphics has outstripped storytelling or gameplay (see Fallout 3: a 7/10 game at best, which butchers the stories of the earlier games), the gaming industry has become a behemoth more concerned with their marketing departments and pleasing investors with false security, than producing art.

    This is setting the whole thing up for a revolution, where high-quality, DRM free, independently produced games rise to the forefront – a revolution I hope to be a part of, after I’m done dealing with the Publishing industry and Hollywood.

    In the meantime, though, you’re bang on: I still refuse to lower myself to buying a console, but an average hack’n’slash or space marine shoot’em’up on those systems is about the best we can hope for in the immediate future.

  • Aurini

    It’s all part of the problem with the gaming industry going Hollywood; as the hype surrounding AAA titles has grown, and demand for shiny graphics has outstripped storytelling or gameplay (see Fallout 3: a 7/10 game at best, which butchers the stories of the earlier games), the gaming industry has become a behemoth more concerned with their marketing departments and pleasing investors with false security, than producing art.

    This is setting the whole thing up for a revolution, where high-quality, DRM free, independently produced games rise to the forefront – a revolution I hope to be a part of, after I’m done dealing with the Publishing industry and Hollywood.

    In the meantime, though, you’re bang on: I still refuse to lower myself to buying a console, but an average hack’n’slash or space marine shoot’em’up on those systems is about the best we can hope for in the immediate future.

  • VashTS544

    Spoony, you do know that SWAT 4 has the SecuROM v5 DRM software embedded into it correct?

    [Source = http://m0001.gamecopyworld.com/games/pc_swat_4.shtml

  • VashTS544

    Spoony, you do know that SWAT 4 has the SecuROM v5 DRM software embedded into it correct?

    [Source = http://m0001.gamecopyworld.com/games/pc_swat_4.shtml

  • VashTS544

    Spoony, you do know that SWAT 4 has the SecuROM v5 DRM software embedded into it correct?

    [Source = http://m0001.gamecopyworld.com/games/pc_swat_4.shtml

  • Aurini

    Just a quick follow up, after noticing an advertisement for Fallout 3: The Pitt –

    Expect console games to follow this decline, as they increasingly release broken, buggy games. Bethesda has shown that you don’t need to actually finish a game and remove all the bugs, as long as your marketing department is in full swing. Why create quality art if everyone will buy garbage? It’s bad corporate DNA, and it’s spreading.

  • Aurini

    Just a quick follow up, after noticing an advertisement for Fallout 3: The Pitt –

    Expect console games to follow this decline, as they increasingly release broken, buggy games. Bethesda has shown that you don’t need to actually finish a game and remove all the bugs, as long as your marketing department is in full swing. Why create quality art if everyone will buy garbage? It’s bad corporate DNA, and it’s spreading.

  • Aurini

    Just a quick follow up, after noticing an advertisement for Fallout 3: The Pitt –

    Expect console games to follow this decline, as they increasingly release broken, buggy games. Bethesda has shown that you don’t need to actually finish a game and remove all the bugs, as long as your marketing department is in full swing. Why create quality art if everyone will buy garbage? It’s bad corporate DNA, and it’s spreading.

  • Haar

    “am I paying the wrong people?”

    Quick Answer: Don’t pay.
    Ok, ok, scratch that. But, honestly, what can we do? I loved the old times, when it was like “Oh, you have the CD? Sure, no problem. It’s not like you will pirate or something, just go ahead and install it.”.
    Well, I think that I can’t really say anything that will be relevant to the discussion, so I will shut up now.

  • Haar

    “am I paying the wrong people?”

    Quick Answer: Don’t pay.
    Ok, ok, scratch that. But, honestly, what can we do? I loved the old times, when it was like “Oh, you have the CD? Sure, no problem. It’s not like you will pirate or something, just go ahead and install it.”.
    Well, I think that I can’t really say anything that will be relevant to the discussion, so I will shut up now.

  • Haar

    “am I paying the wrong people?”

    Quick Answer: Don’t pay.
    Ok, ok, scratch that. But, honestly, what can we do? I loved the old times, when it was like “Oh, you have the CD? Sure, no problem. It’s not like you will pirate or something, just go ahead and install it.”.
    Well, I think that I can’t really say anything that will be relevant to the discussion, so I will shut up now.

  • Joel Button
  • Joel Button
  • Joel Button
  • Joel Button

    One more thing- Game Copy World cracks sometimes have virii on them. Watch out.

  • Joel Button

    One more thing- Game Copy World cracks sometimes have virii on them. Watch out.

  • Joel Button

    One more thing- Game Copy World cracks sometimes have virii on them. Watch out.

  • Scott

    I feel everyones pain. The increase in security for PC gamers has made it almost a punishment to be a PC gamer. My solution is to get games through STEAM. You purchase the game you want online and you download it over the internet. You can always download any game you’ve downloaded again if you choose to delete it. You get to bypass any DRM software this way.

  • Scott

    I feel everyones pain. The increase in security for PC gamers has made it almost a punishment to be a PC gamer. My solution is to get games through STEAM. You purchase the game you want online and you download it over the internet. You can always download any game you’ve downloaded again if you choose to delete it. You get to bypass any DRM software this way.

  • Scott

    I feel everyones pain. The increase in security for PC gamers has made it almost a punishment to be a PC gamer. My solution is to get games through STEAM. You purchase the game you want online and you download it over the internet. You can always download any game you’ve downloaded again if you choose to delete it. You get to bypass any DRM software this way.

  • Thomas

    That’s why I like console gaming. I’ve always had a shitty pc, but consoles are nice and standardized…I always get what I want, though I don’t get the huge boner for graphics that most people seem to.

    I found the easiest way to avoid the whole DRM shit is to buy the game through Steam. I know it’s not all games, but at least when you buy a game there, it’s registered in your account, and it doesn’t require the disk or anything.

  • Thomas

    That’s why I like console gaming. I’ve always had a shitty pc, but consoles are nice and standardized…I always get what I want, though I don’t get the huge boner for graphics that most people seem to.

    I found the easiest way to avoid the whole DRM shit is to buy the game through Steam. I know it’s not all games, but at least when you buy a game there, it’s registered in your account, and it doesn’t require the disk or anything.

  • http://www.justinvasquez.com/ Justin Vasquez

    @ bojangles “Yeah, and Macs “just work” too, and yet they’re limited severely both in hardware and software”

    I use both mac and PC and have had so many more problems with PC versus mac. Everyone I know that either switched or use both have had the same experience.
    Modularity with PC for sure but it comes at a price as well. This argument that mac users are either retarded or incompetent is about as lame as the rootkits that Spoony is talking about.

  • http://www.justinvasquez.com/ Justin Vasquez

    @ bojangles “Yeah, and Macs “just work” too, and yet they’re limited severely both in hardware and software”

    I use both mac and PC and have had so many more problems with PC versus mac. Everyone I know that either switched or use both have had the same experience.
    Modularity with PC for sure but it comes at a price as well. This argument that mac users are either retarded or incompetent is about as lame as the rootkits that Spoony is talking about.

  • Thomas

    That’s why I like console gaming. I’ve always had a shitty pc, but consoles are nice and standardized…I always get what I want, though I don’t get the huge boner for graphics that most people seem to.

    I found the easiest way to avoid the whole DRM shit is to buy the game through Steam. I know it’s not all games, but at least when you buy a game there, it’s registered in your account, and it doesn’t require the disk or anything.

  • http://www.justinvasquez.com Justin Vasquez

    @ bojangles “Yeah, and Macs “just work” too, and yet they’re limited severely both in hardware and software”

    I use both mac and PC and have had so many more problems with PC versus mac. Everyone I know that either switched or use both have had the same experience.
    Modularity with PC for sure but it comes at a price as well. This argument that mac users are either retarded or incompetent is about as lame as the rootkits that Spoony is talking about.

  • http://www.google.com PatMan33

    Don’t forget that even once you get the game running there’s about a billion controls you need to know. Once you get that down though it’s actually an awesome game… but eh, it’s almost not worth the hassle.

  • http://www.google.com/ PatMan33

    Don’t forget that even once you get the game running there’s about a billion controls you need to know. Once you get that down though it’s actually an awesome game… but eh, it’s almost not worth the hassle.

  • http://www.google.com/ PatMan33

    Don’t forget that even once you get the game running there’s about a billion controls you need to know. Once you get that down though it’s actually an awesome game… but eh, it’s almost not worth the hassle.

  • Anonymous

    @Vash:

    Spoony, you do know that SWAT 4 has the SecuROM v5 DRM software embedded into it correct?

    SecuROM versions prior to v7 don’t contain any sort of internet activation. Classic SecuROM is nothing more than a disc check.

  • http://www.spectere.net/ Spectere

    @Vash:

    Spoony, you do know that SWAT 4 has the SecuROM v5 DRM software embedded into it correct?

    SecuROM versions prior to v7 don’t contain any sort of internet activation. Classic SecuROM is nothing more than a disc check.

  • mathew952

    That’s a big reason that I love my 360. It’s just easier. I don’t need to worry about compatibility, in fact, instead of ME feeling like an asshole when my PC game chugs at 10FPS, because I know I don’t have the needed hardware, THEY are tools for not optimizing their game.Patches are automatic and quick, I don’t need to wory about viruses too much, I don’t need to worry about serial numbers, and after a console game has been opened, you can actually still sell it ( at a retailer, I’m sure Ebay works wonders).

    Don’t get me wrong. I love PC gaming. I just got world in conflict the other week, I love it. But then again, it didn’t have securom. My one experience with securom was so off-putting that I really try to avoid it if possible.

  • mathew952

    That’s a big reason that I love my 360. It’s just easier. I don’t need to worry about compatibility, in fact, instead of ME feeling like an asshole when my PC game chugs at 10FPS, because I know I don’t have the needed hardware, THEY are tools for not optimizing their game.Patches are automatic and quick, I don’t need to wory about viruses too much, I don’t need to worry about serial numbers, and after a console game has been opened, you can actually still sell it ( at a retailer, I’m sure Ebay works wonders).

    Don’t get me wrong. I love PC gaming. I just got world in conflict the other week, I love it. But then again, it didn’t have securom. My one experience with securom was so off-putting that I really try to avoid it if possible.

  • mathew952

    That’s a big reason that I love my 360. It’s just easier. I don’t need to worry about compatibility, in fact, instead of ME feeling like an asshole when my PC game chugs at 10FPS, because I know I don’t have the needed hardware, THEY are tools for not optimizing their game.Patches are automatic and quick, I don’t need to wory about viruses too much, I don’t need to worry about serial numbers, and after a console game has been opened, you can actually still sell it ( at a retailer, I’m sure Ebay works wonders).

    Don’t get me wrong. I love PC gaming. I just got world in conflict the other week, I love it. But then again, it didn’t have securom. My one experience with securom was so off-putting that I really try to avoid it if possible.

  • Jake

    Use Steam?

  • Jake

    Use Steam?

  • Jake

    Use Steam?

  • Olivaw

    “Say what you want about console fanboys and their bitter obsessions, at least when they put a disc in their console, it fucking works.”

    Except when their console dies.

  • Olivaw

    “Say what you want about console fanboys and their bitter obsessions, at least when they put a disc in their console, it fucking works.”

    Except when their console dies.

  • Olivaw

    “Say what you want about console fanboys and their bitter obsessions, at least when they put a disc in their console, it fucking works.”

    Except when their console dies.

  • Jack

    Can you really blame them?
    They work there collectives ass on a game to get downloaded by everyone else. That would piss me off too. They just take it too far.
    They are trying to hack people back.
    Strangely, that remind me of MGS4
    Drebin: The line between civilian and soldier is gonna get real blurry. Sooner or later, the whole damn human race is gonna be green collars.

  • Jack

    Can you really blame them?
    They work there collectives ass on a game to get downloaded by everyone else. That would piss me off too. They just take it too far.
    They are trying to hack people back.
    Strangely, that remind me of MGS4
    Drebin: The line between civilian and soldier is gonna get real blurry. Sooner or later, the whole damn human race is gonna be green collars.

  • Jack

    Can you really blame them?
    They work there collectives ass on a game to get downloaded by everyone else. That would piss me off too. They just take it too far.
    They are trying to hack people back.
    Strangely, that remind me of MGS4
    Drebin: The line between civilian and soldier is gonna get real blurry. Sooner or later, the whole damn human race is gonna be green collars.

  • Durr McHurr

    You do know that the company who made X3 always patch out their DRM after a few months after the initial release, right?

  • Durr McHurr

    You do know that the company who made X3 always patch out their DRM after a few months after the initial release, right?

  • Durr McHurr

    You do know that the company who made X3 always patch out their DRM after a few months after the initial release, right?

  • backsplitter

    I’ve never had a good computer that could play the best games that were out there so I’ve mostly stayed with consoles that would last for a few years before a new one comes out if I choose to upgrade the system or wait a bit. The computer I have now has a hard time to play Oblivion (lag on just looking around and doing just about anything in the cell at the start) so with this I guess I’ve avoided this new frustration but it makes since that Steam would probably bypass this. Also, (at least for me)if your going to be paying full game price for something it probably wouldn’t be a bad idea to do some research on it.

  • backsplitter

    I’ve never had a good computer that could play the best games that were out there so I’ve mostly stayed with consoles that would last for a few years before a new one comes out if I choose to upgrade the system or wait a bit. The computer I have now has a hard time to play Oblivion (lag on just looking around and doing just about anything in the cell at the start) so with this I guess I’ve avoided this new frustration but it makes since that Steam would probably bypass this. Also, (at least for me)if your going to be paying full game price for something it probably wouldn’t be a bad idea to do some research on it.

  • backsplitter

    I’ve never had a good computer that could play the best games that were out there so I’ve mostly stayed with consoles that would last for a few years before a new one comes out if I choose to upgrade the system or wait a bit. The computer I have now has a hard time to play Oblivion (lag on just looking around and doing just about anything in the cell at the start) so with this I guess I’ve avoided this new frustration but it makes since that Steam would probably bypass this. Also, (at least for me)if your going to be paying full game price for something it probably wouldn’t be a bad idea to do some research on it.

  • Justin

    There’s certain levels of DRM that’s ok. Requiring a unique CD key to play online is fine. It limits you to 1 cd key per player, so if you’ve got a good multiplayer game, people either have the choice of playing on hacked servers with other people running pirated copies, or they can buy the game and play on legit servers. Usually here the legit option is way better than the pirate option.

    Requiring a cd key for single player has always seemed kind of retarded. Most of the pirated stuff includes the CD key. And if a friend is borrowing the cd, they just write it down.

    Requiring a cd key for single player and dialing home to verify it, that’s crossing the line. What if the user doesn’t have Internet access? The bad thing here is that pirated versions will take out the dial home requirement, so they end up with a better copy.

    Limiting installs of the game is crossing the line too. Even if they give you an opportunity to uninstall the game and get one install credit back, it’s still too much of a restriction. I figure if you buy software, you should be able to install it as many times as you want. The bad thing here is that pirated versions will take out this install limit, so they can backup and reinstall the software as many times as they want.

    Checking to see if disc emulators are running like Daemon Tools. That’s too much. Before I knew about no-cd cracks, I would just back up the iso of my games and boot them off of my pc. That way I didn’t have to play the cd shuffle game, and also that way my cd drive lasts longer since it didn’t have to read data off of the cd all the time. I remember with The Sims 2. I tried to pirate it since it was released online about a week before it came out, but there was no crack so it wouldn’t run. No big deal because I already preordered the game anyway. Well I get the game finally, and after installing it it gave me some error about disc emulator software found.

    Everyone seems to be hailing steam. I think it’s still kind of intrusive. I purchased the Orange Box. I stick the cd in and start installing, and it starts asking me questions to lock it into my steam account. I don’t think I can’t just loan the cd’s to a friend so they can play through Portal. Steam is good how you can just log-in and play your games, but there’s a bad side to it also.

    What happens when Steam runs out of money and no longer exists? Not gonna happen is it? Probably not, but it could.

  • Justin

    There’s certain levels of DRM that’s ok. Requiring a unique CD key to play online is fine. It limits you to 1 cd key per player, so if you’ve got a good multiplayer game, people either have the choice of playing on hacked servers with other people running pirated copies, or they can buy the game and play on legit servers. Usually here the legit option is way better than the pirate option.

    Requiring a cd key for single player has always seemed kind of retarded. Most of the pirated stuff includes the CD key. And if a friend is borrowing the cd, they just write it down.

    Requiring a cd key for single player and dialing home to verify it, that’s crossing the line. What if the user doesn’t have Internet access? The bad thing here is that pirated versions will take out the dial home requirement, so they end up with a better copy.

    Limiting installs of the game is crossing the line too. Even if they give you an opportunity to uninstall the game and get one install credit back, it’s still too much of a restriction. I figure if you buy software, you should be able to install it as many times as you want. The bad thing here is that pirated versions will take out this install limit, so they can backup and reinstall the software as many times as they want.

    Checking to see if disc emulators are running like Daemon Tools. That’s too much. Before I knew about no-cd cracks, I would just back up the iso of my games and boot them off of my pc. That way I didn’t have to play the cd shuffle game, and also that way my cd drive lasts longer since it didn’t have to read data off of the cd all the time. I remember with The Sims 2. I tried to pirate it since it was released online about a week before it came out, but there was no crack so it wouldn’t run. No big deal because I already preordered the game anyway. Well I get the game finally, and after installing it it gave me some error about disc emulator software found.

    Everyone seems to be hailing steam. I think it’s still kind of intrusive. I purchased the Orange Box. I stick the cd in and start installing, and it starts asking me questions to lock it into my steam account. I don’t think I can’t just loan the cd’s to a friend so they can play through Portal. Steam is good how you can just log-in and play your games, but there’s a bad side to it also.

    What happens when Steam runs out of money and no longer exists? Not gonna happen is it? Probably not, but it could.

  • Justin

    There’s certain levels of DRM that’s ok. Requiring a unique CD key to play online is fine. It limits you to 1 cd key per player, so if you’ve got a good multiplayer game, people either have the choice of playing on hacked servers with other people running pirated copies, or they can buy the game and play on legit servers. Usually here the legit option is way better than the pirate option.

    Requiring a cd key for single player has always seemed kind of retarded. Most of the pirated stuff includes the CD key. And if a friend is borrowing the cd, they just write it down.

    Requiring a cd key for single player and dialing home to verify it, that’s crossing the line. What if the user doesn’t have Internet access? The bad thing here is that pirated versions will take out the dial home requirement, so they end up with a better copy.

    Limiting installs of the game is crossing the line too. Even if they give you an opportunity to uninstall the game and get one install credit back, it’s still too much of a restriction. I figure if you buy software, you should be able to install it as many times as you want. The bad thing here is that pirated versions will take out this install limit, so they can backup and reinstall the software as many times as they want.

    Checking to see if disc emulators are running like Daemon Tools. That’s too much. Before I knew about no-cd cracks, I would just back up the iso of my games and boot them off of my pc. That way I didn’t have to play the cd shuffle game, and also that way my cd drive lasts longer since it didn’t have to read data off of the cd all the time. I remember with The Sims 2. I tried to pirate it since it was released online about a week before it came out, but there was no crack so it wouldn’t run. No big deal because I already preordered the game anyway. Well I get the game finally, and after installing it it gave me some error about disc emulator software found.

    Everyone seems to be hailing steam. I think it’s still kind of intrusive. I purchased the Orange Box. I stick the cd in and start installing, and it starts asking me questions to lock it into my steam account. I don’t think I can’t just loan the cd’s to a friend so they can play through Portal. Steam is good how you can just log-in and play your games, but there’s a bad side to it also.

    What happens when Steam runs out of money and no longer exists? Not gonna happen is it? Probably not, but it could.

  • Tai MT

    @Olivaw

    Well, at least when it dies, you can send it in and get a FREE REPAIR that doesn’t typically take any longer than two weeks. And guess what? They tell you four to six weeks for a fix. Can you imagine how nice that is, to get it WAY before you expected to have it back? It may sound like a hassle to you…

    But just try it with a PC. A year out of the box, it crashes and messes up. Just try sending it back and getting them to fix it for free, paying for the shipping and handling THERE and BACK for free.

    As for you, spoony…

    I kinda railed on this a bit with your last update about DRM junk.

    PC gaming used to be fantastic. I used to look forward to certain games on the PC because they looked like fun. Now, I just buy the console port and give a giant middle finger to the PC game.

    It’s just TOO MUCH HASSLE to try to PC game these days. You have to worry about system specs, operating systems, security measures, whether or not the game was made badly in the first place, and a hundred other things.

    Really, it is easier to just console game.

    It’s the game developers who are ruining PC gaming. They are pushing people like me away from it. Making people like me go, “if it’s good, they’ll port it to a console I own so I can play it… if they don’t port it, then oh well, there are a lot of other games to play instead”.

  • Tai MT

    @Olivaw

    Well, at least when it dies, you can send it in and get a FREE REPAIR that doesn’t typically take any longer than two weeks. And guess what? They tell you four to six weeks for a fix. Can you imagine how nice that is, to get it WAY before you expected to have it back? It may sound like a hassle to you…

    But just try it with a PC. A year out of the box, it crashes and messes up. Just try sending it back and getting them to fix it for free, paying for the shipping and handling THERE and BACK for free.

    As for you, spoony…

    I kinda railed on this a bit with your last update about DRM junk.

    PC gaming used to be fantastic. I used to look forward to certain games on the PC because they looked like fun. Now, I just buy the console port and give a giant middle finger to the PC game.

    It’s just TOO MUCH HASSLE to try to PC game these days. You have to worry about system specs, operating systems, security measures, whether or not the game was made badly in the first place, and a hundred other things.

    Really, it is easier to just console game.

    It’s the game developers who are ruining PC gaming. They are pushing people like me away from it. Making people like me go, “if it’s good, they’ll port it to a console I own so I can play it… if they don’t port it, then oh well, there are a lot of other games to play instead”.

  • LordOfMeep

    Steam is a pretty good service. However, it does have one huge flaw. Your Steam account, and thus your collection of games bought/registered on Steam is subject to the mercy of Valve. If their automated anti-account stealing and cheating measures detect even a slight hint of suspicion on your account, say bye-bye to *Amount of money spent on Steam games here*. I’ve heard horror stories of guys just asking Valve to have their games transferred to another account being good enough for an insta-ban for BOTH mentioned accounts. Plus you still have to go through online verification, even for store-bought games. (And certain publishers have started to make their games require Steam registration as opposed to the rootkit forms of DRM, which is both good and bad)

    In the end, though, I’d still rather take my chances with them than with SecuROM and whoever wants to make the next StarForce. (Good thing Spoony didn’t try installing the old vanilla X3. Comes with StarForce, which makes SecuROM look like a harmless background process)

  • LordOfMeep

    Steam is a pretty good service. However, it does have one huge flaw. Your Steam account, and thus your collection of games bought/registered on Steam is subject to the mercy of Valve. If their automated anti-account stealing and cheating measures detect even a slight hint of suspicion on your account, say bye-bye to *Amount of money spent on Steam games here*. I’ve heard horror stories of guys just asking Valve to have their games transferred to another account being good enough for an insta-ban for BOTH mentioned accounts. Plus you still have to go through online verification, even for store-bought games. (And certain publishers have started to make their games require Steam registration as opposed to the rootkit forms of DRM, which is both good and bad)

    In the end, though, I’d still rather take my chances with them than with SecuROM and whoever wants to make the next StarForce. (Good thing Spoony didn’t try installing the old vanilla X3. Comes with StarForce, which makes SecuROM look like a harmless background process)

  • finalsight

    All this is one of the main reasons i pretty much gave up on PC gaming and went to consoles.
    Nevermind the fact that you pretty much have to buy a new top of the range system every year or so just to keep up with new game system reqs even if you do have to best setup to date (a feat i’m sure is not possible without timetravelling to 5yrs in the future just so you can be obsolete proof for a month) because of all the software/hardware compliance issues, DRM and other crap its almost always a 50/50 shot that a game will work.

    With consoles i miss out on some great things but i trade it all for the ability to just put a disc in and play straight away without hassle.

  • finalsight

    All this is one of the main reasons i pretty much gave up on PC gaming and went to consoles.
    Nevermind the fact that you pretty much have to buy a new top of the range system every year or so just to keep up with new game system reqs even if you do have to best setup to date (a feat i’m sure is not possible without timetravelling to 5yrs in the future just so you can be obsolete proof for a month) because of all the software/hardware compliance issues, DRM and other crap its almost always a 50/50 shot that a game will work.

    With consoles i miss out on some great things but i trade it all for the ability to just put a disc in and play straight away without hassle.

  • LordOfMeep

    Steam is a pretty good service. However, it does have one huge flaw. Your Steam account, and thus your collection of games bought/registered on Steam is subject to the mercy of Valve. If their automated anti-account stealing and cheating measures detect even a slight hint of suspicion on your account, say bye-bye to *Amount of money spent on Steam games here*. I’ve heard horror stories of guys just asking Valve to have their games transferred to another account being good enough for an insta-ban for BOTH mentioned accounts. Plus you still have to go through online verification, even for store-bought games. (And certain publishers have started to make their games require Steam registration as opposed to the rootkit forms of DRM, which is both good and bad)

    In the end, though, I’d still rather take my chances with them than with SecuROM and whoever wants to make the next StarForce. (Good thing Spoony didn’t try installing the old vanilla X3. Comes with StarForce, which makes SecuROM look like a harmless background process)

  • finalsight

    All this is one of the main reasons i pretty much gave up on PC gaming and went to consoles.
    Nevermind the fact that you pretty much have to buy a new top of the range system every year or so just to keep up with new game system reqs even if you do have to best setup to date (a feat i’m sure is not possible without timetravelling to 5yrs in the future just so you can be obsolete proof for a month) because of all the software/hardware compliance issues, DRM and other crap its almost always a 50/50 shot that a game will work.

    With consoles i miss out on some great things but i trade it all for the ability to just put a disc in and play straight away without hassle.

  • Nuka

    Any type of online game will always be better on PC though. Not to mention most games on consoles are shit anymore. 360 is just a dumbed down PC with a library of games that are better on PC anyways. Wii is a family fun time system with a gimmick controller. PS3 is just a 360 with blu-ray and metal gear or whatever other overrated exclusive it has. Just play old games.

  • Nuka

    Any type of online game will always be better on PC though. Not to mention most games on consoles are shit anymore. 360 is just a dumbed down PC with a library of games that are better on PC anyways. Wii is a family fun time system with a gimmick controller. PS3 is just a 360 with blu-ray and metal gear or whatever other overrated exclusive it has. Just play old games.

  • Nuka

    Any type of online game will always be better on PC though. Not to mention most games on consoles are shit anymore. 360 is just a dumbed down PC with a library of games that are better on PC anyways. Wii is a family fun time system with a gimmick controller. PS3 is just a 360 with blu-ray and metal gear or whatever other overrated exclusive it has. Just play old games.

  • overkill

    If u get it on steam it dosent have drm

  • overkill

    If u get it on steam it dosent have drm

  • overkill

    If u get it on steam it dosent have drm

  • Dos4gw

    DRM, hardware incompatibilities and performance issues are the price you pay for being able to play on such a great system. Really, there are still major pluses gaming on a PC. We get most of the same AAA titles as the consoles, but we get to to play them at much higher video quality and with a better control scheme. We also get them for $10 less, have great mod communities that can improve each game’s longevity, and (for the most part) have superior multi-player communities. There are many kinds of games that just aren’t possible to do on consoles, such as complex RPGs like the NWN series, sims such as Civilization, and RTS, of course.

    Sure, the PC isn’t light years ahead of consoles at this point in time and there isn’t the same level of competition between the platforms as there used to be, but it’s still an ideal way of gaming with numberous advantages over the consoles. A change from great to good is hardly “pathetic.”

  • Dos4gw

    DRM, hardware incompatibilities and performance issues are the price you pay for being able to play on such a great system. Really, there are still major pluses gaming on a PC. We get most of the same AAA titles as the consoles, but we get to to play them at much higher video quality and with a better control scheme. We also get them for $10 less, have great mod communities that can improve each game’s longevity, and (for the most part) have superior multi-player communities. There are many kinds of games that just aren’t possible to do on consoles, such as complex RPGs like the NWN series, sims such as Civilization, and RTS, of course.

    Sure, the PC isn’t light years ahead of consoles at this point in time and there isn’t the same level of competition between the platforms as there used to be, but it’s still an ideal way of gaming with numberous advantages over the consoles. A change from great to good is hardly “pathetic.”

  • Dos4gw

    DRM, hardware incompatibilities and performance issues are the price you pay for being able to play on such a great system. Really, there are still major pluses gaming on a PC. We get most of the same AAA titles as the consoles, but we get to to play them at much higher video quality and with a better control scheme. We also get them for $10 less, have great mod communities that can improve each game’s longevity, and (for the most part) have superior multi-player communities. There are many kinds of games that just aren’t possible to do on consoles, such as complex RPGs like the NWN series, sims such as Civilization, and RTS, of course.

    Sure, the PC isn’t light years ahead of consoles at this point in time and there isn’t the same level of competition between the platforms as there used to be, but it’s still an ideal way of gaming with numberous advantages over the consoles. A change from great to good is hardly “pathetic.”

  • Platina

    But I would like to make a moment to say that among the DRM bullshit there is still sane developers that TRUST gamers.
    Ironclad released SINs without ANY sort of disc protection (http://www.sinsofasolarempire.com/), the momment I found that out I ran out to the store and bought the game. I thought “They are doing one thing right, that deserves my money”.
    That and SINs is probably the best RTS of the past two (maybe three) years…

  • Platina

    But I would like to make a moment to say that among the DRM bullshit there is still sane developers that TRUST gamers.
    Ironclad released SINs without ANY sort of disc protection (http://www.sinsofasolarempire.com/), the momment I found that out I ran out to the store and bought the game. I thought “They are doing one thing right, that deserves my money”.
    That and SINs is probably the best RTS of the past two (maybe three) years…

  • Platina

    But I would like to make a moment to say that among the DRM bullshit there is still sane developers that TRUST gamers.
    Ironclad released SINs without ANY sort of disc protection (http://www.sinsofasolarempire.com/), the momment I found that out I ran out to the store and bought the game. I thought “They are doing one thing right, that deserves my money”.
    That and SINs is probably the best RTS of the past two (maybe three) years…

  • Anonymous

    I find it kind of interesting that a lot of people are bringing up system specs with regards to PC gaming. Really, getting a PC that royally outclasses a console system isn’t all that expensive nowadays. For around the price of a PS3 you can easily build a system that can eat Crysis for lunch. I think my dad paid about $600 for his recent system and the biggest barrier that he has when it comes to graphical quality is his monitor (it “only” supports 1680×1050). Not to mention that PC component manufacturers don’t extort you, charging ridiculous markups on cheap components (fuck you and your $100 wireless adapter, Microsoft).

    The arguments against DRM are perfectly valid and I’m behind them 200%. However, I can’t justify stopping at the PC side of things. Oh no. Anyone whose made the mistake of taking an Xbox 360 hard drive or memory card with DLC on it to a system that doesn’t have Internet access on it will know exactly what I’m talking about. It doesn’t matter if you have your profile on it. ALL of your purchased content is rendered invalid the second you plug it into another system. The PS3 and Xbox 360 have equally bad, if not more restrictive, DRM than PC games are starting to get, and it does in fact affect consumers.

    To compare, I can’t think of a single instance where using Steam, whether I have access to an Internet connection or not, has inconvenienced me. I can, however, think of numerous instances where not having my Xbox 360 connected to some form of Internet has caused me issues with my legally purchased DLC, sometimes even if I don’t take my hard drive to another system (Rock Band 1 is one title that caused me much grief if I tried to play DLC without an Internet connection on my own console).

    Long story short, I don’t buy the line that consoles “just work.” Sure, I don’t have many issues with disc-based games, but the second DLC is thrown into the mix you practically need an Internet connection or you’re very likely to have issues. I’m sure that many people don’t have any issues with this, but, speaking from experience, my friends and I have had enough issues with DLC to make me hesitant to get much more of it.

    Also, bear in mind that I’m speaking purely from the perspective of an Xbox 360 owner. I have no clue how nasty or restrictive the DLC is on the PS3, as I don’t own one yet.

  • Anonymous

    I find it kind of interesting that a lot of people are bringing up system specs with regards to PC gaming. Really, getting a PC that royally outclasses a console system isn’t all that expensive nowadays. For around the price of a PS3 you can easily build a system that can eat Crysis for lunch. I think my dad paid about $600 for his recent system and the biggest barrier that he has when it comes to graphical quality is his monitor (it “only” supports 1680×1050). Not to mention that PC component manufacturers don’t extort you, charging ridiculous markups on cheap components (fuck you and your $100 wireless adapter, Microsoft).

    The arguments against DRM are perfectly valid and I’m behind them 200%. However, I can’t justify stopping at the PC side of things. Oh no. Anyone whose made the mistake of taking an Xbox 360 hard drive or memory card with DLC on it to a system that doesn’t have Internet access on it will know exactly what I’m talking about. It doesn’t matter if you have your profile on it. ALL of your purchased content is rendered invalid the second you plug it into another system. The PS3 and Xbox 360 have equally bad, if not more restrictive, DRM than PC games are starting to get, and it does in fact affect consumers.

    To compare, I can’t think of a single instance where using Steam, whether I have access to an Internet connection or not, has inconvenienced me. I can, however, think of numerous instances where not having my Xbox 360 connected to some form of Internet has caused me issues with my legally purchased DLC, sometimes even if I don’t take my hard drive to another system (Rock Band 1 is one title that caused me much grief if I tried to play DLC without an Internet connection on my own console).

    Long story short, I don’t buy the line that consoles “just work.” Sure, I don’t have many issues with disc-based games, but the second DLC is thrown into the mix you practically need an Internet connection or you’re very likely to have issues. I’m sure that many people don’t have any issues with this, but, speaking from experience, my friends and I have had enough issues with DLC to make me hesitant to get much more of it.

    Also, bear in mind that I’m speaking purely from the perspective of an Xbox 360 owner. I have no clue how nasty or restrictive the DLC is on the PS3, as I don’t own one yet.

  • http://www.spectere.net/ Spectere

    I find it kind of interesting that a lot of people are bringing up system specs with regards to PC gaming. Really, getting a PC that royally outclasses a console system isn’t all that expensive nowadays. For around the price of a PS3 you can easily build a system that can eat Crysis for lunch. I think my dad paid about $600 for his recent system and the biggest barrier that he has when it comes to graphical quality is his monitor (it “only” supports 1680×1050). Not to mention that PC component manufacturers don’t extort you, charging ridiculous markups on cheap components (fuck you and your $100 wireless adapter, Microsoft).

    The arguments against DRM are perfectly valid and I’m behind them 200%. However, I can’t justify stopping at the PC side of things. Oh no. Anyone whose made the mistake of taking an Xbox 360 hard drive or memory card with DLC on it to a system that doesn’t have Internet access on it will know exactly what I’m talking about. It doesn’t matter if you have your profile on it. ALL of your purchased content is rendered invalid the second you plug it into another system. The PS3 and Xbox 360 have equally bad, if not more restrictive, DRM than PC games are starting to get, and it does in fact affect consumers.

    To compare, I can’t think of a single instance where using Steam, whether I have access to an Internet connection or not, has inconvenienced me. I can, however, think of numerous instances where not having my Xbox 360 connected to some form of Internet has caused me issues with my legally purchased DLC, sometimes even if I don’t take my hard drive to another system (Rock Band 1 is one title that caused me much grief if I tried to play DLC without an Internet connection on my own console).

    Long story short, I don’t buy the line that consoles “just work.” Sure, I don’t have many issues with disc-based games, but the second DLC is thrown into the mix you practically need an Internet connection or you’re very likely to have issues. I’m sure that many people don’t have any issues with this, but, speaking from experience, my friends and I have had enough issues with DLC to make me hesitant to get much more of it.

    Also, bear in mind that I’m speaking purely from the perspective of an Xbox 360 owner. I have no clue how nasty or restrictive the DLC is on the PS3, as I don’t own one yet.

  • http://gamingsteve.com/ HammerWizard

    I have been doing those background checks man, and it sucks. It decides whether I buy it boxed, over steam or not at all.

    X3, wow, I have tried to like that game. It seems cool, what with space combat and trading and base building and such. It never was, prepare for boredom on a scale you never thought possible. Its games like X3 that makes the DS so popular, so you can do something fun while the game basically plays itself. Good luck man.

  • http://gamingsteve.com/ HammerWizard

    I have been doing those background checks man, and it sucks. It decides whether I buy it boxed, over steam or not at all.

    X3, wow, I have tried to like that game. It seems cool, what with space combat and trading and base building and such. It never was, prepare for boredom on a scale you never thought possible. Its games like X3 that makes the DS so popular, so you can do something fun while the game basically plays itself. Good luck man.

  • http://gamingsteve.com HammerWizard

    I have been doing those background checks man, and it sucks. It decides whether I buy it boxed, over steam or not at all.

    X3, wow, I have tried to like that game. It seems cool, what with space combat and trading and base building and such. It never was, prepare for boredom on a scale you never thought possible. Its games like X3 that makes the DS so popular, so you can do something fun while the game basically plays itself. Good luck man.

  • Unconcerned

    On the subject of Securom, several months ago I had to purchas a new computer due to a hard drive failure. It came with a free copy of The stand alone Company Of hereos expainsion. It startef installing it and it began to instal Securom on my computer, which is odd concidering the legimatly perchased copy that my freind had does not have it. Needless to say the disk went out the window and I went back to playing DOW.

    It’s funny how in 2 years relic went from being perposfully extremly open with their software, to DRMing it and throwing it up on steam like it’s the holy grail. When I started installing DOW 2 all I can rember think is: “steam, WTF is it installing steam for? I don’t even want to play online-WTF DOes it need my damn Windows live id for? WHY DO I NEED THE INTERNET TO PLAY SINGLE PLAYER?”. It seems that in my breif haitus of buying PC titles, due to lack of a good enough PC, the industry’s gone crazy.

  • Unconcerned

    On the subject of Securom, several months ago I had to purchas a new computer due to a hard drive failure. It came with a free copy of The stand alone Company Of hereos expainsion. It startef installing it and it began to instal Securom on my computer, which is odd concidering the legimatly perchased copy that my freind had does not have it. Needless to say the disk went out the window and I went back to playing DOW.

    It’s funny how in 2 years relic went from being perposfully extremly open with their software, to DRMing it and throwing it up on steam like it’s the holy grail. When I started installing DOW 2 all I can rember think is: “steam, WTF is it installing steam for? I don’t even want to play online-WTF DOes it need my damn Windows live id for? WHY DO I NEED THE INTERNET TO PLAY SINGLE PLAYER?”. It seems that in my breif haitus of buying PC titles, due to lack of a good enough PC, the industry’s gone crazy.

  • Unconcerned

    On the subject of Securom, several months ago I had to purchas a new computer due to a hard drive failure. It came with a free copy of The stand alone Company Of hereos expainsion. It startef installing it and it began to instal Securom on my computer, which is odd concidering the legimatly perchased copy that my freind had does not have it. Needless to say the disk went out the window and I went back to playing DOW.

    It’s funny how in 2 years relic went from being perposfully extremly open with their software, to DRMing it and throwing it up on steam like it’s the holy grail. When I started installing DOW 2 all I can rember think is: “steam, WTF is it installing steam for? I don’t even want to play online-WTF DOes it need my damn Windows live id for? WHY DO I NEED THE INTERNET TO PLAY SINGLE PLAYER?”. It seems that in my breif haitus of buying PC titles, due to lack of a good enough PC, the industry’s gone crazy.

  • Elías

    I agree with you, Spoony.
    I hate the console-exclusive games, I hate having to put cracks on my games in order to play it without having to search the original cds…
    That’s why I stopped buying games a long time ago… Buying original games is only a problem. It’s a shame, because I would love to thank (at least in a money-based way) to the creators for making the game that I actually loved playing… That, and in Argentina you can find original games from 200$ to 300$… More or less 80 to 100U$S… But with the economy in my country, not only it’s freakin’ expensive… It’s like you guys having to pay 300 U$S for one single game! You could eat like a month with that money. It just not right.
    Being a Gamer in a “3rd world nation” sucks ass…
    Back when I was a child, you could find games at like 50$… I actually have like 5 or 6 original games… And I had to crack them. Why? Because the cds are old, and when I was a kid I didn’t take enough good care of my cds, so when they were stored for like 4 or 5 years, they become a huge pile of shitty almost broken discs… And I didn’t want to keep damaging them, so I just install them, and store them in a secure place…
    Going back to the “Console Only Games”… FUCK THEM.
    I played the first metal gear solid on my PC, I say’d “WOAH! COOL! Can’t wait to play the other two games!” (at the time, 4 wasn’t out yet). I did a little research and… Fuck. MGS3 was an PS2 exclusive.
    When I play’d Fable (the first one), I loved that game. I found a lot of flaws and “could have been better”, but overall, it was a pretty damn good game. When I heard that Fable 2 was coming out, I really wanted to play it… But, WHOOPS! Turned out to be a FUCKING XBOX 360 EXCLUSIVE.
    I recently downloaded (sorry, as stated at the top of this text, I just can’t afford buying games… But that doesn’t mean I approve piracy. Piracy sucks. But I have two choices: 1. Downloading pirate games; 2. Stop being a gamer) Prince of Persia “Prodigy” (The 7th of the saga, the 4th of the Ubi games), and when I finished it, and I was like “Woah… What a good game. Those who say it’s shitty didn’t played it. Oh, now that I remember… There is an expansion coming out! I wonder when… Lets search… Oh, WHAT THE FUCK?! Console only?! You mother fucker! Why? I want to know what will happen! I’m not going to buy a 360 and the game, to then pay for a expansion! Assholes!”.
    Well, I’m going to stop now, before a S.W.A.T. team comes to kick my ass because of using pirate games =P
    “You are in my way sir”, heheh…

  • Elías

    I agree with you, Spoony.
    I hate the console-exclusive games, I hate having to put cracks on my games in order to play it without having to search the original cds…
    That’s why I stopped buying games a long time ago… Buying original games is only a problem. It’s a shame, because I would love to thank (at least in a money-based way) to the creators for making the game that I actually loved playing… That, and in Argentina you can find original games from 200$ to 300$… More or less 80 to 100U$S… But with the economy in my country, not only it’s freakin’ expensive… It’s like you guys having to pay 300 U$S for one single game! You could eat like a month with that money. It just not right.
    Being a Gamer in a “3rd world nation” sucks ass…
    Back when I was a child, you could find games at like 50$… I actually have like 5 or 6 original games… And I had to crack them. Why? Because the cds are old, and when I was a kid I didn’t take enough good care of my cds, so when they were stored for like 4 or 5 years, they become a huge pile of shitty almost broken discs… And I didn’t want to keep damaging them, so I just install them, and store them in a secure place…
    Going back to the “Console Only Games”… FUCK THEM.
    I played the first metal gear solid on my PC, I say’d “WOAH! COOL! Can’t wait to play the other two games!” (at the time, 4 wasn’t out yet). I did a little research and… Fuck. MGS3 was an PS2 exclusive.
    When I play’d Fable (the first one), I loved that game. I found a lot of flaws and “could have been better”, but overall, it was a pretty damn good game. When I heard that Fable 2 was coming out, I really wanted to play it… But, WHOOPS! Turned out to be a FUCKING XBOX 360 EXCLUSIVE.
    I recently downloaded (sorry, as stated at the top of this text, I just can’t afford buying games… But that doesn’t mean I approve piracy. Piracy sucks. But I have two choices: 1. Downloading pirate games; 2. Stop being a gamer) Prince of Persia “Prodigy” (The 7th of the saga, the 4th of the Ubi games), and when I finished it, and I was like “Woah… What a good game. Those who say it’s shitty didn’t played it. Oh, now that I remember… There is an expansion coming out! I wonder when… Lets search… Oh, WHAT THE FUCK?! Console only?! You mother fucker! Why? I want to know what will happen! I’m not going to buy a 360 and the game, to then pay for a expansion! Assholes!”.
    Well, I’m going to stop now, before a S.W.A.T. team comes to kick my ass because of using pirate games =P
    “You are in my way sir”, heheh…

  • http://bt.imagegarden.net/ MICROmor

    probably said already but the official update for x3 removes the copy protection

  • http://bt.imagegarden.net/ MICROmor

    probably said already but the official update for x3 removes the copy protection

  • Elías

    I agree with you, Spoony.
    I hate the console-exclusive games, I hate having to put cracks on my games in order to play it without having to search the original cds…
    That’s why I stopped buying games a long time ago… Buying original games is only a problem. It’s a shame, because I would love to thank (at least in a money-based way) to the creators for making the game that I actually loved playing… That, and in Argentina you can find original games from 200$ to 300$… More or less 80 to 100U$S… But with the economy in my country, not only it’s freakin’ expensive… It’s like you guys having to pay 300 U$S for one single game! You could eat like a month with that money. It just not right.
    Being a Gamer in a “3rd world nation” sucks ass…
    Back when I was a child, you could find games at like 50$… I actually have like 5 or 6 original games… And I had to crack them. Why? Because the cds are old, and when I was a kid I didn’t take enough good care of my cds, so when they were stored for like 4 or 5 years, they become a huge pile of shitty almost broken discs… And I didn’t want to keep damaging them, so I just install them, and store them in a secure place…
    Going back to the “Console Only Games”… FUCK THEM.
    I played the first metal gear solid on my PC, I say’d “WOAH! COOL! Can’t wait to play the other two games!” (at the time, 4 wasn’t out yet). I did a little research and… Fuck. MGS3 was an PS2 exclusive.
    When I play’d Fable (the first one), I loved that game. I found a lot of flaws and “could have been better”, but overall, it was a pretty damn good game. When I heard that Fable 2 was coming out, I really wanted to play it… But, WHOOPS! Turned out to be a FUCKING XBOX 360 EXCLUSIVE.
    I recently downloaded (sorry, as stated at the top of this text, I just can’t afford buying games… But that doesn’t mean I approve piracy. Piracy sucks. But I have two choices: 1. Downloading pirate games; 2. Stop being a gamer) Prince of Persia “Prodigy” (The 7th of the saga, the 4th of the Ubi games), and when I finished it, and I was like “Woah… What a good game. Those who say it’s shitty didn’t played it. Oh, now that I remember… There is an expansion coming out! I wonder when… Lets search… Oh, WHAT THE FUCK?! Console only?! You mother fucker! Why? I want to know what will happen! I’m not going to buy a 360 and the game, to then pay for a expansion! Assholes!”.
    Well, I’m going to stop now, before a S.W.A.T. team comes to kick my ass because of using pirate games =P
    “You are in my way sir”, heheh…

  • http://bt.imagegarden.net MICROmor

    probably said already but the official update for x3 removes the copy protection

  • Anonymous

    @MICROmor:

    probably said already but the official update for x3 removes the copy protection

    Not quite.

    The optical drive destroying StarForce copy protection for X3: Reunion was removed with a patch (as well as for the Steam release). X3: Terran Conflict was released fairly recently (October 2008, IIRC) and still wields an Internet activated DRM scheme (even in the Steam version…for some idiotic reason).

  • Anonymous

    @MICROmor:

    probably said already but the official update for x3 removes the copy protection

    Not quite.

    The optical drive destroying StarForce copy protection for X3: Reunion was removed with a patch (as well as for the Steam release). X3: Terran Conflict was released fairly recently (October 2008, IIRC) and still wields an Internet activated DRM scheme (even in the Steam version…for some idiotic reason).

  • http://www.spectere.net/ Spectere

    @MICROmor:

    probably said already but the official update for x3 removes the copy protection

    Not quite.

    The optical drive destroying StarForce copy protection for X3: Reunion was removed with a patch (as well as for the Steam release). X3: Terran Conflict was released fairly recently (October 2008, IIRC) and still wields an Internet activated DRM scheme (even in the Steam version…for some idiotic reason).

  • finalsight

    @Spectere

    I agree that nowadays it is quite easy to buy a PC that will outclass any console but the fact even if you buy the best setup possible on the first day of production it will be outdated by the time its delivered and within a year you will need to buy a new one so you can play the latest games on full spec.

    However its a completely different story with consoles as there average life span is about 5yrs untill a better one is out and even then games will still come out. Case in point is the PS2 it was out for 5yrs and then the PS3 came out however it is still going strong with new games coming out.

    The only reason to keep a 5yr old PC around is so you can play old games on it that will not work on the newer ones. well at least thats why i still have my very old laptop tucked away so that if i get the urge i can pull it out and play the original fallouts without jumping through hoops.

  • finalsight

    @Spectere

    I agree that nowadays it is quite easy to buy a PC that will outclass any console but the fact even if you buy the best setup possible on the first day of production it will be outdated by the time its delivered and within a year you will need to buy a new one so you can play the latest games on full spec.

    However its a completely different story with consoles as there average life span is about 5yrs untill a better one is out and even then games will still come out. Case in point is the PS2 it was out for 5yrs and then the PS3 came out however it is still going strong with new games coming out.

    The only reason to keep a 5yr old PC around is so you can play old games on it that will not work on the newer ones. well at least thats why i still have my very old laptop tucked away so that if i get the urge i can pull it out and play the original fallouts without jumping through hoops.

  • finalsight

    @Spectere

    I agree that nowadays it is quite easy to buy a PC that will outclass any console but the fact even if you buy the best setup possible on the first day of production it will be outdated by the time its delivered and within a year you will need to buy a new one so you can play the latest games on full spec.

    However its a completely different story with consoles as there average life span is about 5yrs untill a better one is out and even then games will still come out. Case in point is the PS2 it was out for 5yrs and then the PS3 came out however it is still going strong with new games coming out.

    The only reason to keep a 5yr old PC around is so you can play old games on it that will not work on the newer ones. well at least thats why i still have my very old laptop tucked away so that if i get the urge i can pull it out and play the original fallouts without jumping through hoops.

  • http://thecompany.gr/ WeirdAL

    If SecuROM sucks, then StarForce sucks 1000 times more. It is responsible for many hardware failures, I dont have the time to analyse it now, but a Google search will convince you.
    P.S. chack their site for many lulz.

  • http://thecompany.gr/ WeirdAL

    If SecuROM sucks, then StarForce sucks 1000 times more. It is responsible for many hardware failures, I dont have the time to analyse it now, but a Google search will convince you.
    P.S. chack their site for many lulz.

  • http://thecompany.gr WeirdAL

    If SecuROM sucks, then StarForce sucks 1000 times more. It is responsible for many hardware failures, I dont have the time to analyse it now, but a Google search will convince you.
    P.S. chack their site for many lulz.

  • Sintu

    The people who keep bringing up “Oh, well when the console dies you’re screwed” seem to be forgetting a few things. For one, that’s really only a major problem for 1 of the 3 consoles, and for two, that problem isn’t nearly as widespread as the one Spoony is talking about. Also, don’t forget that the XBox360 comes with a 3 year warranty for its RROD problem. PC games don’t really have anything like that in this case.

  • Sintu

    The people who keep bringing up “Oh, well when the console dies you’re screwed” seem to be forgetting a few things. For one, that’s really only a major problem for 1 of the 3 consoles, and for two, that problem isn’t nearly as widespread as the one Spoony is talking about. Also, don’t forget that the XBox360 comes with a 3 year warranty for its RROD problem. PC games don’t really have anything like that in this case.

  • Sintu

    The people who keep bringing up “Oh, well when the console dies you’re screwed” seem to be forgetting a few things. For one, that’s really only a major problem for 1 of the 3 consoles, and for two, that problem isn’t nearly as widespread as the one Spoony is talking about. Also, don’t forget that the XBox360 comes with a 3 year warranty for its RROD problem. PC games don’t really have anything like that in this case.

  • hurhur

    This is why I support, and engage in, piracy.

  • hurhur

    This is why I support, and engage in, piracy.

  • hurhur

    This is why I support, and engage in, piracy.

  • Anonymous

    @finalsight:

    I disagree. I built my system together over a year ago, used decent, but far from top-of-the-line components, and today it still kicks quite a bit of ass. It can still handle new titles at 1920×1200, basically maxed out, so I’m happy. To put things into perspective, my dad’s cheaper system has a GeForce 9600GT (compared to my 9800GTX) and his can keep up with mine even on newer titles. I think we’re starting to get on the upper end of the curve — the demand on the hardware isn’t increasing as quickly as it used to.

    I totally agree with the rest of your post. Consoles are one of the few constants that game developers can count on, and if a system is as popular as the PS2 they know that they can continue to make money on it even nine years after its release (HOLY SHIT, has it seriously been that long?!).

    With a PC, game developers have to worry about how the game is going to look on an nVidia graphics chipset as opposed to an ATI one, and *insert diety here* help you if you want to target the Intel GPU crowd. While you can certainly take your masterpiece quite a bit further (my 360 would melt if you showed it Crysis) the complications are going to add quite a bit to the development time.

    As far as keeping an older system around, I’ve found that most newer games don’t have much of an issue. I run Vista x64 here and I can’t think of too many older 32-bit games that I’ve had a problem running on this system despite it being fairly modern. The only games that I have a dedicated system for hail from the 90’s and the only reason I use that instead of DOSBox is because I just had an older box lying around. ;)

  • Anonymous

    @finalsight:

    I disagree. I built my system together over a year ago, used decent, but far from top-of-the-line components, and today it still kicks quite a bit of ass. It can still handle new titles at 1920×1200, basically maxed out, so I’m happy. To put things into perspective, my dad’s cheaper system has a GeForce 9600GT (compared to my 9800GTX) and his can keep up with mine even on newer titles. I think we’re starting to get on the upper end of the curve — the demand on the hardware isn’t increasing as quickly as it used to.

    I totally agree with the rest of your post. Consoles are one of the few constants that game developers can count on, and if a system is as popular as the PS2 they know that they can continue to make money on it even nine years after its release (HOLY SHIT, has it seriously been that long?!).

    With a PC, game developers have to worry about how the game is going to look on an nVidia graphics chipset as opposed to an ATI one, and *insert diety here* help you if you want to target the Intel GPU crowd. While you can certainly take your masterpiece quite a bit further (my 360 would melt if you showed it Crysis) the complications are going to add quite a bit to the development time.

    As far as keeping an older system around, I’ve found that most newer games don’t have much of an issue. I run Vista x64 here and I can’t think of too many older 32-bit games that I’ve had a problem running on this system despite it being fairly modern. The only games that I have a dedicated system for hail from the 90’s and the only reason I use that instead of DOSBox is because I just had an older box lying around. ;)

  • http://www.spectere.net/ Spectere

    @finalsight:

    I disagree. I built my system together over a year ago, used decent, but far from top-of-the-line components, and today it still kicks quite a bit of ass. It can still handle new titles at 1920×1200, basically maxed out, so I’m happy. To put things into perspective, my dad’s cheaper system has a GeForce 9600GT (compared to my 9800GTX) and his can keep up with mine even on newer titles. I think we’re starting to get on the upper end of the curve — the demand on the hardware isn’t increasing as quickly as it used to.

    I totally agree with the rest of your post. Consoles are one of the few constants that game developers can count on, and if a system is as popular as the PS2 they know that they can continue to make money on it even nine years after its release (HOLY SHIT, has it seriously been that long?!).

    With a PC, game developers have to worry about how the game is going to look on an nVidia graphics chipset as opposed to an ATI one, and *insert diety here* help you if you want to target the Intel GPU crowd. While you can certainly take your masterpiece quite a bit further (my 360 would melt if you showed it Crysis) the complications are going to add quite a bit to the development time.

    As far as keeping an older system around, I’ve found that most newer games don’t have much of an issue. I run Vista x64 here and I can’t think of too many older 32-bit games that I’ve had a problem running on this system despite it being fairly modern. The only games that I have a dedicated system for hail from the 90’s and the only reason I use that instead of DOSBox is because I just had an older box lying around. ;)

  • Elías

    @hurhur
    Using piracy isn’t wrong in the right circumstances… But supporting it, I don’t know…
    It just seems selfish.
    If you want to save money but you CAN buy the game without problems, then piracy isn’t for you. Pay for the game and don’t be an asshole to the game creators. They may only think in the profit, and not in the art… But still, they create pretty damn good games that you enjoy.
    If you can’t buy the game, then it’s another story.

  • Elías

    @hurhur
    Using piracy isn’t wrong in the right circumstances… But supporting it, I don’t know…
    It just seems selfish.
    If you want to save money but you CAN buy the game without problems, then piracy isn’t for you. Pay for the game and don’t be an asshole to the game creators. They may only think in the profit, and not in the art… But still, they create pretty damn good games that you enjoy.
    If you can’t buy the game, then it’s another story.

  • Elías

    @hurhur
    Using piracy isn’t wrong in the right circumstances… But supporting it, I don’t know…
    It just seems selfish.
    If you want to save money but you CAN buy the game without problems, then piracy isn’t for you. Pay for the game and don’t be an asshole to the game creators. They may only think in the profit, and not in the art… But still, they create pretty damn good games that you enjoy.
    If you can’t buy the game, then it’s another story.

  • Anonymous

    @WeirdAl:

    Also, don’t forget that the XBox360 comes with a 3 year warranty for its RROD problem. PC games don’t really have anything like that in this case.

    I’ve had hard drives outlive my 360. You mean to tell me that it makes sense that a device that constantly spins at, say, 7200rpm for hours on end with platters and heads separated by mere millimeters, should outlive what boils down to an unmoving computer?

    And how does the fact that “only” 1 out of 3 systems will fail make things any better? Considering the Xbox 360 has had 28 million units sold, that means that well over 9 million units will fail. How on earth is that a good thing?

    The Xbox 360 is a terribly designed system. The only reason its blatant thermal and design issues were never addressed is because Microsoft was too worried about being the first HD console on the market that it cut a lot of corners. It’s a shame that they have such deep pockets, otherwise they might have actually learned something from the debacle.

  • Anonymous

    @WeirdAl:

    Also, don’t forget that the XBox360 comes with a 3 year warranty for its RROD problem. PC games don’t really have anything like that in this case.

    I’ve had hard drives outlive my 360. You mean to tell me that it makes sense that a device that constantly spins at, say, 7200rpm for hours on end with platters and heads separated by mere millimeters, should outlive what boils down to an unmoving computer?

    And how does the fact that “only” 1 out of 3 systems will fail make things any better? Considering the Xbox 360 has had 28 million units sold, that means that well over 9 million units will fail. How on earth is that a good thing?

    The Xbox 360 is a terribly designed system. The only reason its blatant thermal and design issues were never addressed is because Microsoft was too worried about being the first HD console on the market that it cut a lot of corners. It’s a shame that they have such deep pockets, otherwise they might have actually learned something from the debacle.

  • http://www.spectere.net/ Spectere

    @WeirdAl:

    Also, don’t forget that the XBox360 comes with a 3 year warranty for its RROD problem. PC games don’t really have anything like that in this case.

    I’ve had hard drives outlive my 360. You mean to tell me that it makes sense that a device that constantly spins at, say, 7200rpm for hours on end with platters and heads separated by mere millimeters, should outlive what boils down to an unmoving computer?

    And how does the fact that “only” 1 out of 3 systems will fail make things any better? Considering the Xbox 360 has had 28 million units sold, that means that well over 9 million units will fail. How on earth is that a good thing?

    The Xbox 360 is a terribly designed system. The only reason its blatant thermal and design issues were never addressed is because Microsoft was too worried about being the first HD console on the market that it cut a lot of corners. It’s a shame that they have such deep pockets, otherwise they might have actually learned something from the debacle.

  • Platina

    @ Ellias

    I remember when I lived in Mexico six years ago, and sadly thats the reality. Gamers back there that are in the mid-midlow class have NO choice. I used to work at a Jewelry shop, I got payed 90 pesos a week. Now tell me if this makes sense, an original Psone Castlevania Sotn costs 500 (BLOODY) pesos, while a pirated copy costs 20 pesos. What can you do? I can tell you that even at the 20 peso price its pretty hard to choose games over food/rent.

    BUT, now I live in the US. I bought a GC and a PS2 in MY FIRST year here, on the second I built my dream gaming pc (I couldnt believe how cheap things were in this country!). Everything I own now is legal and I can prove it to you.
    I have no use for pirating besides maybe getting game OST’s that I have NO WAY of getting in this country… too sad because I would LOVE to own a phisical copy of the MegamanX music collection T-T (sooo shiny)….

    OH and I am a PC gamer first console gamer second, I cant help it… Littlebigplanet makes me feel like an 8 year-old playing with legos once again @.@

  • Platina

    @ Ellias

    I remember when I lived in Mexico six years ago, and sadly thats the reality. Gamers back there that are in the mid-midlow class have NO choice. I used to work at a Jewelry shop, I got payed 90 pesos a week. Now tell me if this makes sense, an original Psone Castlevania Sotn costs 500 (BLOODY) pesos, while a pirated copy costs 20 pesos. What can you do? I can tell you that even at the 20 peso price its pretty hard to choose games over food/rent.

    BUT, now I live in the US. I bought a GC and a PS2 in MY FIRST year here, on the second I built my dream gaming pc (I couldnt believe how cheap things were in this country!). Everything I own now is legal and I can prove it to you.
    I have no use for pirating besides maybe getting game OST’s that I have NO WAY of getting in this country… too sad because I would LOVE to own a phisical copy of the MegamanX music collection T-T (sooo shiny)….

    OH and I am a PC gamer first console gamer second, I cant help it… Littlebigplanet makes me feel like an 8 year-old playing with legos once again @.@

  • FireFighter214

    My friends and I all own Xbox360’s and we will lend, and swap games with each other all the time. I’ll even hold off buying certain games if I know one of my friends is going to buy it and just wait to play it once he’s done with it. Why can I do that, and be so restricted with PC games. I realize without certain precautions people would be selling copies of games left and right undercutting stores and causing game makers not to get theirs. But I think the PC game distributors just end up screwing themselves while trying to avoid being screwed. The situation sucks. I wonder if Microsoft had the ability to stop me from lending games to my friends would they slap copy protection on console games? *Shudders*

  • FireFighter214

    My friends and I all own Xbox360’s and we will lend, and swap games with each other all the time. I’ll even hold off buying certain games if I know one of my friends is going to buy it and just wait to play it once he’s done with it. Why can I do that, and be so restricted with PC games. I realize without certain precautions people would be selling copies of games left and right undercutting stores and causing game makers not to get theirs. But I think the PC game distributors just end up screwing themselves while trying to avoid being screwed. The situation sucks. I wonder if Microsoft had the ability to stop me from lending games to my friends would they slap copy protection on console games? *Shudders*

  • Platina

    @ Ellias

    I remember when I lived in Mexico six years ago, and sadly thats the reality. Gamers back there that are in the mid-midlow class have NO choice. I used to work at a Jewelry shop, I got payed 90 pesos a week. Now tell me if this makes sense, an original Psone Castlevania Sotn costs 500 (BLOODY) pesos, while a pirated copy costs 20 pesos. What can you do? I can tell you that even at the 20 peso price its pretty hard to choose games over food/rent.

    BUT, now I live in the US. I bought a GC and a PS2 in MY FIRST year here, on the second I built my dream gaming pc (I couldnt believe how cheap things were in this country!). Everything I own now is legal and I can prove it to you.
    I have no use for pirating besides maybe getting game OST’s that I have NO WAY of getting in this country… too sad because I would LOVE to own a phisical copy of the MegamanX music collection T-T (sooo shiny)….

    OH and I am a PC gamer first console gamer second, I cant help it… Littlebigplanet makes me feel like an 8 year-old playing with legos once again @.@

  • FireFighter214

    My friends and I all own Xbox360’s and we will lend, and swap games with each other all the time. I’ll even hold off buying certain games if I know one of my friends is going to buy it and just wait to play it once he’s done with it. Why can I do that, and be so restricted with PC games. I realize without certain precautions people would be selling copies of games left and right undercutting stores and causing game makers not to get theirs. But I think the PC game distributors just end up screwing themselves while trying to avoid being screwed. The situation sucks. I wonder if Microsoft had the ability to stop me from lending games to my friends would they slap copy protection on console games? *Shudders*

  • MetalHeadMat

    Whenever I go to a store and buy a game that has that and wont run properly, I’ll return it fair and square, if they don’t give me my money back I just tell them to fuck off and I leave the game there. This is why I mainly download.

    And @WeirdAl, I’ve had my Elite since the first day they came out, I’ve dropped it, left it on for a week, spilled water on it, my cat pissed on it, I’ve kicked it, and I haven’t gotten a RROD.

  • MetalHeadMat

    Whenever I go to a store and buy a game that has that and wont run properly, I’ll return it fair and square, if they don’t give me my money back I just tell them to fuck off and I leave the game there. This is why I mainly download.

    And @WeirdAl, I’ve had my Elite since the first day they came out, I’ve dropped it, left it on for a week, spilled water on it, my cat pissed on it, I’ve kicked it, and I haven’t gotten a RROD.

  • MetalHeadMat

    Whenever I go to a store and buy a game that has that and wont run properly, I’ll return it fair and square, if they don’t give me my money back I just tell them to fuck off and I leave the game there. This is why I mainly download.

    And @WeirdAl, I’ve had my Elite since the first day they came out, I’ve dropped it, left it on for a week, spilled water on it, my cat pissed on it, I’ve kicked it, and I haven’t gotten a RROD.

  • Elías

    @Platina:
    In the starts of this year I got lucky and travelled to Spain… I was amazed.
    It was all so… Cheap. I was walking on the streets and I could see game stores, comic stores, and I found that almost all my geek-dreams where fullfilled there!
    I went to all the stores and taked a good look at all the toys and things… I was almost cursing that I didn’t have enough money to buy something!
    I’ve seen a “stuffed” Kirby (Dunno what’s the word… My inglish is really poor. Well, not THAT poor =P. I mean, that Kirby was like a Teddy Bear.), and I wanted to have Kirby Swordman. I’ve seen “stuffed” Tails, and I almost had to contain myself from taking it and running away xD Don’t take me wrong: I’m not a “furry guy”. I think the concept of “furrys” is stupid, but anyway… I just commented that to make fanboys angry… Heheh.
    It vas all sooo cool, and in my country those things didn’t even exist!
    You could go through all the “Capital Federal” (the main city of Argentina) and just find a few game stores that chip your console and sell you pirate games… There are a few “official” gaming sellers in the Shoppings, but, as stated before, they are so fucking expensive that only the rich-12-year-old kids can buy ‘em…
    So anyway, this wen’t too long and it was almost entierly off topic. Sorry.

  • Elías

    @Platina:
    In the starts of this year I got lucky and travelled to Spain… I was amazed.
    It was all so… Cheap. I was walking on the streets and I could see game stores, comic stores, and I found that almost all my geek-dreams where fullfilled there!
    I went to all the stores and taked a good look at all the toys and things… I was almost cursing that I didn’t have enough money to buy something!
    I’ve seen a “stuffed” Kirby (Dunno what’s the word… My inglish is really poor. Well, not THAT poor =P. I mean, that Kirby was like a Teddy Bear.), and I wanted to have Kirby Swordman. I’ve seen “stuffed” Tails, and I almost had to contain myself from taking it and running away xD Don’t take me wrong: I’m not a “furry guy”. I think the concept of “furrys” is stupid, but anyway… I just commented that to make fanboys angry… Heheh.
    It vas all sooo cool, and in my country those things didn’t even exist!
    You could go through all the “Capital Federal” (the main city of Argentina) and just find a few game stores that chip your console and sell you pirate games… There are a few “official” gaming sellers in the Shoppings, but, as stated before, they are so fucking expensive that only the rich-12-year-old kids can buy ‘em…
    So anyway, this wen’t too long and it was almost entierly off topic. Sorry.

  • Elías

    @Platina:
    In the starts of this year I got lucky and travelled to Spain… I was amazed.
    It was all so… Cheap. I was walking on the streets and I could see game stores, comic stores, and I found that almost all my geek-dreams where fullfilled there!
    I went to all the stores and taked a good look at all the toys and things… I was almost cursing that I didn’t have enough money to buy something!
    I’ve seen a “stuffed” Kirby (Dunno what’s the word… My inglish is really poor. Well, not THAT poor =P. I mean, that Kirby was like a Teddy Bear.), and I wanted to have Kirby Swordman. I’ve seen “stuffed” Tails, and I almost had to contain myself from taking it and running away xD Don’t take me wrong: I’m not a “furry guy”. I think the concept of “furrys” is stupid, but anyway… I just commented that to make fanboys angry… Heheh.
    It vas all sooo cool, and in my country those things didn’t even exist!
    You could go through all the “Capital Federal” (the main city of Argentina) and just find a few game stores that chip your console and sell you pirate games… There are a few “official” gaming sellers in the Shoppings, but, as stated before, they are so fucking expensive that only the rich-12-year-old kids can buy ‘em…
    So anyway, this wen’t too long and it was almost entierly off topic. Sorry.

  • Roboticus

    Noah, you’re a moron. Why would ever want to run a game without copy protection? Aren’t you aware that it protects your game from being copied? You want to run an unprotected game? Do you even understand what you’re doing? These companies are trying to protect you and you’re bashing them for it! Who are you going to attack next? Symantec? McAfee?

    For those of you who are all to willing to believe: I’m being facetious.

  • Roboticus

    Noah, you’re a moron. Why would ever want to run a game without copy protection? Aren’t you aware that it protects your game from being copied? You want to run an unprotected game? Do you even understand what you’re doing? These companies are trying to protect you and you’re bashing them for it! Who are you going to attack next? Symantec? McAfee?

    For those of you who are all to willing to believe: I’m being facetious.

  • Roboticus

    Noah, you’re a moron. Why would ever want to run a game without copy protection? Aren’t you aware that it protects your game from being copied? You want to run an unprotected game? Do you even understand what you’re doing? These companies are trying to protect you and you’re bashing them for it! Who are you going to attack next? Symantec? McAfee?

    For those of you who are all to willing to believe: I’m being facetious.

  • Benjamin

    I know what you are going through. I purchased myself a gaming laptop but I don’t really buy any games for it due to stupid copy protection. The only times i’ll buy a game for it is if I heard it works fine without needing to install anti copy stuff or if I can digitally download it from services like STEAM in order to bypass the whole disk required to play nonsense for games that play off of your hard drive.
    The only advantage I really see as a PC gamer today is that games tend to be lower priced than the console counterparts, online tends to be free for the gamer unless if its an MMO, and games such as Team Fortress 2 allow for more players per game and even let the player program their own stages when the game doesn’t even give such options.

  • Benjamin

    I know what you are going through. I purchased myself a gaming laptop but I don’t really buy any games for it due to stupid copy protection. The only times i’ll buy a game for it is if I heard it works fine without needing to install anti copy stuff or if I can digitally download it from services like STEAM in order to bypass the whole disk required to play nonsense for games that play off of your hard drive.
    The only advantage I really see as a PC gamer today is that games tend to be lower priced than the console counterparts, online tends to be free for the gamer unless if its an MMO, and games such as Team Fortress 2 allow for more players per game and even let the player program their own stages when the game doesn’t even give such options.

  • Benjamin

    I know what you are going through. I purchased myself a gaming laptop but I don’t really buy any games for it due to stupid copy protection. The only times i’ll buy a game for it is if I heard it works fine without needing to install anti copy stuff or if I can digitally download it from services like STEAM in order to bypass the whole disk required to play nonsense for games that play off of your hard drive.
    The only advantage I really see as a PC gamer today is that games tend to be lower priced than the console counterparts, online tends to be free for the gamer unless if its an MMO, and games such as Team Fortress 2 allow for more players per game and even let the player program their own stages when the game doesn’t even give such options.

  • Jangowuzhere

    You are overreacting. I have SecuROM when I installed Mass Effect but its not like it did anything to my computer. Everything is normel and my computer runs great. You should stop being paranoid.

  • Jangowuzhere

    You are overreacting. I have SecuROM when I installed Mass Effect but its not like it did anything to my computer. Everything is normel and my computer runs great. You should stop being paranoid.

  • Jangowuzhere

    You are overreacting. I have SecuROM when I installed Mass Effect but its not like it did anything to my computer. Everything is normel and my computer runs great. You should stop being paranoid.

  • Kudo

    If you, like me, hate all this copy protection, vote with your dollar. Don’t buy games with copy protection. If enough people do it, the industry will take notice, and these people will be forced to give us what they actually paid for, minus the virus.

  • Kudo

    If you, like me, hate all this copy protection, vote with your dollar. Don’t buy games with copy protection. If enough people do it, the industry will take notice, and these people will be forced to give us what they actually paid for, minus the virus.

  • Kudo

    If you, like me, hate all this copy protection, vote with your dollar. Don’t buy games with copy protection. If enough people do it, the industry will take notice, and these people will be forced to give us what they actually paid for, minus the virus.

  • Grimm

    SecuROM and all those copywrite protection programs are no match for a good version of daemon tools. ;)

  • Grimm

    SecuROM and all those copywrite protection programs are no match for a good version of daemon tools. ;)

  • Grimm

    SecuROM and all those copywrite protection programs are no match for a good version of daemon tools. ;)

  • Anonymous

    @Jangowuzhere:

    You are overreacting. I have SecuROM when I installed Mass Effect but its not like it did anything to my computer. Everything is normel and my computer runs great. You should stop being paranoid.

    Here’s a few reasons why SecuROM should be banned:

    SecuROM runs a system service running under a privileged account constantly. It’s a gaping security hole and it hogs up resources.

    SecuROM attempts to prevent you from doing perfectly legal things on your computers. Do you use virtual CD drives? I suppose not; after all, it tries its damnedest to stop them. Granted, it usually fails due to Alcohol Soft, Daemon Tools, and co, constantly update their software to skirt around that, but the reality is that it tries to prevent you from using perfectly legal software.

    And finally, what if your hard drive dies? Blam, you just lost an install. If calling to get a new activation is as pleasant as activating Windows or Office over the phone you’re going to be throwing away 10 minutes of your life when you run out of installations. What if the activation servers ever go down? What if XX company doesn’t release a patch to disable activation on game YY? You’re fucked; your $50 investment just turned into a very expensive coaster.

    @Kudo:

    If you, like me, hate all this copy protection, vote with your dollar. Don’t buy games with copy protection. If enough people do it, the industry will take notice, and these people will be forced to give us what they actually paid for, minus the virus.

    Hell, why not take it a step further and refuse to buy the console version? If enough people do that (doubtful, but it’s a nice thought) then maybe they won’t blame shitty PC game sales on piracy like they’re so intent on doing nowadays.

  • Anonymous

    @Jangowuzhere:

    You are overreacting. I have SecuROM when I installed Mass Effect but its not like it did anything to my computer. Everything is normel and my computer runs great. You should stop being paranoid.

    Here’s a few reasons why SecuROM should be banned:

    SecuROM runs a system service running under a privileged account constantly. It’s a gaping security hole and it hogs up resources.

    SecuROM attempts to prevent you from doing perfectly legal things on your computers. Do you use virtual CD drives? I suppose not; after all, it tries its damnedest to stop them. Granted, it usually fails due to Alcohol Soft, Daemon Tools, and co, constantly update their software to skirt around that, but the reality is that it tries to prevent you from using perfectly legal software.

    And finally, what if your hard drive dies? Blam, you just lost an install. If calling to get a new activation is as pleasant as activating Windows or Office over the phone you’re going to be throwing away 10 minutes of your life when you run out of installations. What if the activation servers ever go down? What if XX company doesn’t release a patch to disable activation on game YY? You’re fucked; your $50 investment just turned into a very expensive coaster.

    @Kudo:

    If you, like me, hate all this copy protection, vote with your dollar. Don’t buy games with copy protection. If enough people do it, the industry will take notice, and these people will be forced to give us what they actually paid for, minus the virus.

    Hell, why not take it a step further and refuse to buy the console version? If enough people do that (doubtful, but it’s a nice thought) then maybe they won’t blame shitty PC game sales on piracy like they’re so intent on doing nowadays.

  • Mycroft

    Ya Noah, I never owned a console, I was a huge PC gamer, but I kept getting these programs that didn’t work. I’ve stopped buying games now. Know exactly how disappointed you are. For PC gaming to reemerge the companies need to stop pulling this sh*t and learn to trust their customers a bit more.

  • Mycroft

    Ya Noah, I never owned a console, I was a huge PC gamer, but I kept getting these programs that didn’t work. I’ve stopped buying games now. Know exactly how disappointed you are. For PC gaming to reemerge the companies need to stop pulling this sh*t and learn to trust their customers a bit more.

  • http://www.spectere.net/ Spectere

    @Jangowuzhere:

    You are overreacting. I have SecuROM when I installed Mass Effect but its not like it did anything to my computer. Everything is normel and my computer runs great. You should stop being paranoid.

    Here’s a few reasons why SecuROM should be banned:

    SecuROM runs a system service running under a privileged account constantly. It’s a gaping security hole and it hogs up resources.

    SecuROM attempts to prevent you from doing perfectly legal things on your computers. Do you use virtual CD drives? I suppose not; after all, it tries its damnedest to stop them. Granted, it usually fails due to Alcohol Soft, Daemon Tools, and co, constantly update their software to skirt around that, but the reality is that it tries to prevent you from using perfectly legal software.

    And finally, what if your hard drive dies? Blam, you just lost an install. If calling to get a new activation is as pleasant as activating Windows or Office over the phone you’re going to be throwing away 10 minutes of your life when you run out of installations. What if the activation servers ever go down? What if XX company doesn’t release a patch to disable activation on game YY? You’re fucked; your $50 investment just turned into a very expensive coaster.

    @Kudo:

    If you, like me, hate all this copy protection, vote with your dollar. Don’t buy games with copy protection. If enough people do it, the industry will take notice, and these people will be forced to give us what they actually paid for, minus the virus.

    Hell, why not take it a step further and refuse to buy the console version? If enough people do that (doubtful, but it’s a nice thought) then maybe they won’t blame shitty PC game sales on piracy like they’re so intent on doing nowadays.

  • Mycroft

    Ya Noah, I never owned a console, I was a huge PC gamer, but I kept getting these programs that didn’t work. I’ve stopped buying games now. Know exactly how disappointed you are. For PC gaming to reemerge the companies need to stop pulling this sh*t and learn to trust their customers a bit more.

  • nick3889

    Man what a bad time for me to be a PC gamer. i use to be a consoler gamer but when i picked up the Wii i was disappointed and went to the PC because that all i had new at the time i can afford a PS3 or 360 so thats why i went to PC and with all this confusing protection stuff its becoming a pain in the ass

  • nick3889

    Man what a bad time for me to be a PC gamer. i use to be a consoler gamer but when i picked up the Wii i was disappointed and went to the PC because that all i had new at the time i can afford a PS3 or 360 so thats why i went to PC and with all this confusing protection stuff its becoming a pain in the ass

  • nick3889

    Man what a bad time for me to be a PC gamer. i use to be a consoler gamer but when i picked up the Wii i was disappointed and went to the PC because that all i had new at the time i can afford a PS3 or 360 so thats why i went to PC and with all this confusing protection stuff its becoming a pain in the ass

  • Roboticus

    If you’re going to boycott a game it is imperative to inform them why their sales are low.

  • Roboticus

    If you’re going to boycott a game it is imperative to inform them why their sales are low.

  • Anonymous

    I’d also like to add to the DRM apologists out there that no pirate has to go through any of the hell that legit customers have to go through. Nobody who pirated Spore had to sit back and wait for the activation servers to unshit themselves. I don’t think anyone who torrented Bioshock had to worry about their install count. In some extreme cases, like GTA4, the game only became playable after all of the DRM was stripped out of it.

    The pirates are getting superior products compared to the people who bought the game. That doesn’t make any fucking sense whatsoever.

    You want to know how smart companies battle piracy? By offering additional value to paying customers. The text adventure company, Infocom, did something of the sort back in the 80s and 90s. They didn’t add any draconian copy protection schemes to their games to try to stop the pirates. They realized that no matter what kind of disk-based copy protection they added in, be it intentionally-damaged sectors, a special boot loader, or whatever, it would get cracked. Instead, they started offering “feelies” with their boxed games. As it turns out, that was a massive success. Suddenly those primitive text games became more than just games, including little pieces of memorabilia like diaries that players could read through, real-life versions of in-game items, whatever. It’s sort of like the Imperial Septim coin that Bethesda included with the collector’s edition of Oblivion. It wasn’t anything too special but it was a nice little keepsake, just like the little pewter Pinky demon that I have on my desk from when I pre-ordered Doom 3. Just something cool to have that you’d never get if you were to pirate the game.

    That said, I suppose I am kind of asking a lot from companies that are reluctant to even provide jewel cases anymore.

  • Anonymous

    I’d also like to add to the DRM apologists out there that no pirate has to go through any of the hell that legit customers have to go through. Nobody who pirated Spore had to sit back and wait for the activation servers to unshit themselves. I don’t think anyone who torrented Bioshock had to worry about their install count. In some extreme cases, like GTA4, the game only became playable after all of the DRM was stripped out of it.

    The pirates are getting superior products compared to the people who bought the game. That doesn’t make any fucking sense whatsoever.

    You want to know how smart companies battle piracy? By offering additional value to paying customers. The text adventure company, Infocom, did something of the sort back in the 80s and 90s. They didn’t add any draconian copy protection schemes to their games to try to stop the pirates. They realized that no matter what kind of disk-based copy protection they added in, be it intentionally-damaged sectors, a special boot loader, or whatever, it would get cracked. Instead, they started offering “feelies” with their boxed games. As it turns out, that was a massive success. Suddenly those primitive text games became more than just games, including little pieces of memorabilia like diaries that players could read through, real-life versions of in-game items, whatever. It’s sort of like the Imperial Septim coin that Bethesda included with the collector’s edition of Oblivion. It wasn’t anything too special but it was a nice little keepsake, just like the little pewter Pinky demon that I have on my desk from when I pre-ordered Doom 3. Just something cool to have that you’d never get if you were to pirate the game.

    That said, I suppose I am kind of asking a lot from companies that are reluctant to even provide jewel cases anymore.

  • Roboticus

    If you’re going to boycott a game it is imperative to inform them why their sales are low.

  • http://www.spectere.net/ Spectere

    I’d also like to add to the DRM apologists out there that no pirate has to go through any of the hell that legit customers have to go through. Nobody who pirated Spore had to sit back and wait for the activation servers to unshit themselves. I don’t think anyone who torrented Bioshock had to worry about their install count. In some extreme cases, like GTA4, the game only became playable after all of the DRM was stripped out of it.

    The pirates are getting superior products compared to the people who bought the game. That doesn’t make any fucking sense whatsoever.

    You want to know how smart companies battle piracy? By offering additional value to paying customers. The text adventure company, Infocom, did something of the sort back in the 80s and 90s. They didn’t add any draconian copy protection schemes to their games to try to stop the pirates. They realized that no matter what kind of disk-based copy protection they added in, be it intentionally-damaged sectors, a special boot loader, or whatever, it would get cracked. Instead, they started offering “feelies” with their boxed games. As it turns out, that was a massive success. Suddenly those primitive text games became more than just games, including little pieces of memorabilia like diaries that players could read through, real-life versions of in-game items, whatever. It’s sort of like the Imperial Septim coin that Bethesda included with the collector’s edition of Oblivion. It wasn’t anything too special but it was a nice little keepsake, just like the little pewter Pinky demon that I have on my desk from when I pre-ordered Doom 3. Just something cool to have that you’d never get if you were to pirate the game.

    That said, I suppose I am kind of asking a lot from companies that are reluctant to even provide jewel cases anymore.

  • Matthew Bergman

    Pirate, dude just give up. I did a while ago. The games coming out for pc these days are just not that good to deal with this shit.

  • Matthew Bergman

    Pirate, dude just give up. I did a while ago. The games coming out for pc these days are just not that good to deal with this shit.

  • Matthew Bergman

    Pirate, dude just give up. I did a while ago. The games coming out for pc these days are just not that good to deal with this shit.

  • Todes

    there are several ways around it. most of them involve opening up certain files and deleting certain portions of the code. however, unless you are very good in techno jumble speak, or know c++ fairly well (oddly they use a lot of that programming still) then its a pain =P

    personally, i just look it up on google and see if someone else cracked it for me. just dont download anything. most downloadables are worms and backdoors.

    and yes, you are paying the wrong people.

  • Todes

    there are several ways around it. most of them involve opening up certain files and deleting certain portions of the code. however, unless you are very good in techno jumble speak, or know c++ fairly well (oddly they use a lot of that programming still) then its a pain =P

    personally, i just look it up on google and see if someone else cracked it for me. just dont download anything. most downloadables are worms and backdoors.

    and yes, you are paying the wrong people.

  • Todes

    there are several ways around it. most of them involve opening up certain files and deleting certain portions of the code. however, unless you are very good in techno jumble speak, or know c++ fairly well (oddly they use a lot of that programming still) then its a pain =P

    personally, i just look it up on google and see if someone else cracked it for me. just dont download anything. most downloadables are worms and backdoors.

    and yes, you are paying the wrong people.

  • LordXenu

    Spoony have you tried contacting TAGES support?

    Also TAGES is shit, X3 used to use Starforce, but I guess they replaced it with its little brother.

    TAGES is basically Starforce Jr., it installs a driver onto your pc, and uses that for validation checks.

    Stalker: Clear Sky used it, and I bought it on New Years. I was unable to play it without cracking it for almost 2-3 days because their activation servers were down.

  • LordXenu

    Spoony have you tried contacting TAGES support?

    Also TAGES is shit, X3 used to use Starforce, but I guess they replaced it with its little brother.

    TAGES is basically Starforce Jr., it installs a driver onto your pc, and uses that for validation checks.

    Stalker: Clear Sky used it, and I bought it on New Years. I was unable to play it without cracking it for almost 2-3 days because their activation servers were down.

  • LordXenu

    Spoony have you tried contacting TAGES support?

    Also TAGES is shit, X3 used to use Starforce, but I guess they replaced it with its little brother.

    TAGES is basically Starforce Jr., it installs a driver onto your pc, and uses that for validation checks.

    Stalker: Clear Sky used it, and I bought it on New Years. I was unable to play it without cracking it for almost 2-3 days because their activation servers were down.

  • Andrew

    Tages used to be the most benign of the copy protection crew. Essentially they just insert bad sectors onto the disc with a dummy file sitting there. And tages just checks to see if the bad sectors are there. Typically at random intervals. It could be defeated by making a copy of the disc and then inserting the bad sectors into the ISO. Thus the tages check would validate the disc as authentic.

    Now it’s as bad as secureROM, which is a shame.

    The reality is, is that this is why I’ve moved away from PC gaming except for a few developers. Yes, the Xbox 360 has issues with hardware. At least when I pop a game into the system, it’s not going to barf the DVD back and say “You’re a stinking pirate, put the real game in”.

  • Andrew

    Tages used to be the most benign of the copy protection crew. Essentially they just insert bad sectors onto the disc with a dummy file sitting there. And tages just checks to see if the bad sectors are there. Typically at random intervals. It could be defeated by making a copy of the disc and then inserting the bad sectors into the ISO. Thus the tages check would validate the disc as authentic.

    Now it’s as bad as secureROM, which is a shame.

    The reality is, is that this is why I’ve moved away from PC gaming except for a few developers. Yes, the Xbox 360 has issues with hardware. At least when I pop a game into the system, it’s not going to barf the DVD back and say “You’re a stinking pirate, put the real game in”.

  • Andrew

    Tages used to be the most benign of the copy protection crew. Essentially they just insert bad sectors onto the disc with a dummy file sitting there. And tages just checks to see if the bad sectors are there. Typically at random intervals. It could be defeated by making a copy of the disc and then inserting the bad sectors into the ISO. Thus the tages check would validate the disc as authentic.

    Now it’s as bad as secureROM, which is a shame.

    The reality is, is that this is why I’ve moved away from PC gaming except for a few developers. Yes, the Xbox 360 has issues with hardware. At least when I pop a game into the system, it’s not going to barf the DVD back and say “You’re a stinking pirate, put the real game in”.

  • aaa

    Nice flamewar you have going on, kids.

  • aaa

    Nice flamewar you have going on, kids.

  • aaa

    Nice flamewar you have going on, kids.

  • Anonymous

    @Todes:

    there are several ways around it. most of them involve opening up certain files and deleting certain portions of the code. however, unless you are very good in techno jumble speak, or know c++ fairly well (oddly they use a lot of that programming still) then its a pain =P

    If only it were as easy as simply knowing C++…

    Copy protection is pretty complex nowadays. The executable are usually either encrypted or thrown through a virtual machine to obfuscate the actual game code, all of which is based on a key stored on the disc itself. Some systems even intercept system calls to allow the game to check, in more subtle ways, whether the copy protection is successful. For example, let’s say that a copy protection system hooks the system date/time function and makes it always return midnight at January 1, 2999. A game would be able to check the time function against that particular date. If it returned midnight at January 1, 2999, the copy protection scheme is in place. If it returned the proper time, the game would know that the copy protection were stripped out.

    What’s worse, once a game is compiled, there isn’t much left of the original code. Occasionally a line number or source file name is left in for crash reports and such, but you almost always have to know assembly and have a solid working knowledge of the Windows API (not to mention intimate knowledge of the copy protection system that you intend to kill) in order to do any sort of binary hackery.

    Also, it’s not so odd that games use C++. Sure, you can feasibly write a full game in C#.NET or even VB.NET (since they’re essentially the same thing) but at this point C++ still offers the best ratio of speed to convenience. .NET languages are pretty quick compared to VB6 and many other VM-based languages but they don’t hold a candle to what an experienced C/C++ programmer can do.

    Finally, @aaa: what flamewar? Pretty much everything discussed on here has been very civil thus far.

  • Anonymous

    @Todes:

    there are several ways around it. most of them involve opening up certain files and deleting certain portions of the code. however, unless you are very good in techno jumble speak, or know c++ fairly well (oddly they use a lot of that programming still) then its a pain =P

    If only it were as easy as simply knowing C++…

    Copy protection is pretty complex nowadays. The executable are usually either encrypted or thrown through a virtual machine to obfuscate the actual game code, all of which is based on a key stored on the disc itself. Some systems even intercept system calls to allow the game to check, in more subtle ways, whether the copy protection is successful. For example, let’s say that a copy protection system hooks the system date/time function and makes it always return midnight at January 1, 2999. A game would be able to check the time function against that particular date. If it returned midnight at January 1, 2999, the copy protection scheme is in place. If it returned the proper time, the game would know that the copy protection were stripped out.

    What’s worse, once a game is compiled, there isn’t much left of the original code. Occasionally a line number or source file name is left in for crash reports and such, but you almost always have to know assembly and have a solid working knowledge of the Windows API (not to mention intimate knowledge of the copy protection system that you intend to kill) in order to do any sort of binary hackery.

    Also, it’s not so odd that games use C++. Sure, you can feasibly write a full game in C#.NET or even VB.NET (since they’re essentially the same thing) but at this point C++ still offers the best ratio of speed to convenience. .NET languages are pretty quick compared to VB6 and many other VM-based languages but they don’t hold a candle to what an experienced C/C++ programmer can do.

    Finally, @aaa: what flamewar? Pretty much everything discussed on here has been very civil thus far.

  • http://www.spectere.net/ Spectere

    @Todes:

    there are several ways around it. most of them involve opening up certain files and deleting certain portions of the code. however, unless you are very good in techno jumble speak, or know c++ fairly well (oddly they use a lot of that programming still) then its a pain =P

    If only it were as easy as simply knowing C++…

    Copy protection is pretty complex nowadays. The executable are usually either encrypted or thrown through a virtual machine to obfuscate the actual game code, all of which is based on a key stored on the disc itself. Some systems even intercept system calls to allow the game to check, in more subtle ways, whether the copy protection is successful. For example, let’s say that a copy protection system hooks the system date/time function and makes it always return midnight at January 1, 2999. A game would be able to check the time function against that particular date. If it returned midnight at January 1, 2999, the copy protection scheme is in place. If it returned the proper time, the game would know that the copy protection were stripped out.

    What’s worse, once a game is compiled, there isn’t much left of the original code. Occasionally a line number or source file name is left in for crash reports and such, but you almost always have to know assembly and have a solid working knowledge of the Windows API (not to mention intimate knowledge of the copy protection system that you intend to kill) in order to do any sort of binary hackery.

    Also, it’s not so odd that games use C++. Sure, you can feasibly write a full game in C#.NET or even VB.NET (since they’re essentially the same thing) but at this point C++ still offers the best ratio of speed to convenience. .NET languages are pretty quick compared to VB6 and many other VM-based languages but they don’t hold a candle to what an experienced C/C++ programmer can do.

    Finally, @aaa: what flamewar? Pretty much everything discussed on here has been very civil thus far.

  • PPDr

    You are indeed paying the wrong people. If you want to buy games buy them from legitimate companies that don’t put invasive DRM in their games. For instance, Stardock.

    The only troubling thing about stardock is that their piracy to legit ratio is staggering. Right now their newest game, Demigod, has a ratio of 18,000 legit customers to 100,000 pirates. There are literally so many pirates that have their game right now that it is DDosing their servers and causing outages. (Note these pirates can’t even play on their servers, these are simple pings created by the game to test and see if the master server is up)

  • PPDr

    You are indeed paying the wrong people. If you want to buy games buy them from legitimate companies that don’t put invasive DRM in their games. For instance, Stardock.

    The only troubling thing about stardock is that their piracy to legit ratio is staggering. Right now their newest game, Demigod, has a ratio of 18,000 legit customers to 100,000 pirates. There are literally so many pirates that have their game right now that it is DDosing their servers and causing outages. (Note these pirates can’t even play on their servers, these are simple pings created by the game to test and see if the master server is up)

  • PPDr

    You are indeed paying the wrong people. If you want to buy games buy them from legitimate companies that don’t put invasive DRM in their games. For instance, Stardock.

    The only troubling thing about stardock is that their piracy to legit ratio is staggering. Right now their newest game, Demigod, has a ratio of 18,000 legit customers to 100,000 pirates. There are literally so many pirates that have their game right now that it is DDosing their servers and causing outages. (Note these pirates can’t even play on their servers, these are simple pings created by the game to test and see if the master server is up)

  • communismfairy

    just got through with a fairly satisfying game of civ 4 beyond the sword so I may be a bit biased right now but, retarded drm’s and software incompatibilities aside (believe me I’ve definitely wasted more than my fair share of cash on nonfunctional games in my life,) I still believe PC games are superior to console games. No console will ever be able to match the depth that is possible in strategy PC games. Anyone who has ever played Rome Total War, a game released in 2004, after playing a shiny brand new copy of halo wars knows what I’m talking about. Console strategy games choke balls and, seeing as I only seriously play games in the strategy genre my money will still be flowng into 2k and microsoft’s hefty profits well into the foreseeable future

  • communismfairy

    just got through with a fairly satisfying game of civ 4 beyond the sword so I may be a bit biased right now but, retarded drm’s and software incompatibilities aside (believe me I’ve definitely wasted more than my fair share of cash on nonfunctional games in my life,) I still believe PC games are superior to console games. No console will ever be able to match the depth that is possible in strategy PC games. Anyone who has ever played Rome Total War, a game released in 2004, after playing a shiny brand new copy of halo wars knows what I’m talking about. Console strategy games choke balls and, seeing as I only seriously play games in the strategy genre my money will still be flowng into 2k and microsoft’s hefty profits well into the foreseeable future

  • http://www.tessmage.com/ Tessera

    I’ve been ranting about this horseshit for the past three years on my own site.

    The fact is that the industry is deliberately trying to push all of us towards consoles. Why..? Because they have determined that they can make more money in the long run via console games, thanks to the extra control that console-based media affords them. Nevermind the fact that the PC platform is and always shall be a superior system for cutting-edge 3-D gaming. The industry doesn’t care — just like they don’t seem to care about creativity and originality anymore. They just want your money. Great, big bucketloads of your money, in fact.

    There is truly only one way to fix this problem: you gotta vote with your wallets, by taking part in an organized boycott of *all* new releases. Don’t just run over to the consoles and give these min-maxxing, polyester-clad parasites what they want. Boycott *all* new releases… whether they be for the PC, or for consoles, or whatever. I promise that you can survive without them.

    But can they survive without us..? Heh heh heh.

    Exceptions would be PC games that do not try to rape your system with horrible DRM code. Stardock is one good company which has tended to shun most forms of DRM. There are a small handful of others… but generally, the entire gaming industry has taken a nosedive into Shitsville… and it’s high time that the gaming community responded decisively with a massive boycott. I for one am sick and tired of being exploited by greedy bean counters.

    Oh… and before anyone chimes in with “That just won’t work, Tessera,” let me remind you that the economy is in dire straights right now. I don’t think most of these publishers can withstand even a small boycott for too long. So it’s definitely something for everyone to consider.

  • http://www.tessmage.com/ Tessera

    I’ve been ranting about this horseshit for the past three years on my own site.

    The fact is that the industry is deliberately trying to push all of us towards consoles. Why..? Because they have determined that they can make more money in the long run via console games, thanks to the extra control that console-based media affords them. Nevermind the fact that the PC platform is and always shall be a superior system for cutting-edge 3-D gaming. The industry doesn’t care — just like they don’t seem to care about creativity and originality anymore. They just want your money. Great, big bucketloads of your money, in fact.

    There is truly only one way to fix this problem: you gotta vote with your wallets, by taking part in an organized boycott of *all* new releases. Don’t just run over to the consoles and give these min-maxxing, polyester-clad parasites what they want. Boycott *all* new releases… whether they be for the PC, or for consoles, or whatever. I promise that you can survive without them.

    But can they survive without us..? Heh heh heh.

    Exceptions would be PC games that do not try to rape your system with horrible DRM code. Stardock is one good company which has tended to shun most forms of DRM. There are a small handful of others… but generally, the entire gaming industry has taken a nosedive into Shitsville… and it’s high time that the gaming community responded decisively with a massive boycott. I for one am sick and tired of being exploited by greedy bean counters.

    Oh… and before anyone chimes in with “That just won’t work, Tessera,” let me remind you that the economy is in dire straights right now. I don’t think most of these publishers can withstand even a small boycott for too long. So it’s definitely something for everyone to consider.

  • http://www.tessmage.com Tessera

    I’ve been ranting about this horseshit for the past three years on my own site.

    The fact is that the industry is deliberately trying to push all of us towards consoles. Why..? Because they have determined that they can make more money in the long run via console games, thanks to the extra control that console-based media affords them. Nevermind the fact that the PC platform is and always shall be a superior system for cutting-edge 3-D gaming. The industry doesn’t care — just like they don’t seem to care about creativity and originality anymore. They just want your money. Great, big bucketloads of your money, in fact.

    There is truly only one way to fix this problem: you gotta vote with your wallets, by taking part in an organized boycott of *all* new releases. Don’t just run over to the consoles and give these min-maxxing, polyester-clad parasites what they want. Boycott *all* new releases… whether they be for the PC, or for consoles, or whatever. I promise that you can survive without them.

    But can they survive without us..? Heh heh heh.

    Exceptions would be PC games that do not try to rape your system with horrible DRM code. Stardock is one good company which has tended to shun most forms of DRM. There are a small handful of others… but generally, the entire gaming industry has taken a nosedive into Shitsville… and it’s high time that the gaming community responded decisively with a massive boycott. I for one am sick and tired of being exploited by greedy bean counters.

    Oh… and before anyone chimes in with “That just won’t work, Tessera,” let me remind you that the economy is in dire straights right now. I don’t think most of these publishers can withstand even a small boycott for too long. So it’s definitely something for everyone to consider.

  • Barman

    The golden age of gaming as come and gone. I miss it all too much. Thankfully, we can go back and revisit those great games of old.

  • Barman

    The golden age of gaming as come and gone. I miss it all too much. Thankfully, we can go back and revisit those great games of old.

  • Barman

    The golden age of gaming as come and gone. I miss it all too much. Thankfully, we can go back and revisit those great games of old.

  • Pellucid

    Company of Heroes. Play Company of Heroes. It’s a completely non-generic, amazing RTS.

    Honestly, console gaming isn’t seeing much better days. Sequel after sequel of complete non-innovation. I’ve literally played only a single game on the 360 that left me with the lasting thought “man I wish I had a 360.”

  • Pellucid

    Company of Heroes. Play Company of Heroes. It’s a completely non-generic, amazing RTS.

    Honestly, console gaming isn’t seeing much better days. Sequel after sequel of complete non-innovation. I’ve literally played only a single game on the 360 that left me with the lasting thought “man I wish I had a 360.”

  • Pellucid

    Company of Heroes. Play Company of Heroes. It’s a completely non-generic, amazing RTS.

    Honestly, console gaming isn’t seeing much better days. Sequel after sequel of complete non-innovation. I’ve literally played only a single game on the 360 that left me with the lasting thought “man I wish I had a 360.”

  • Booze Zombie

    You probably are paying the wrong people, you be paying the Devs, not the suits pulling their strings.

    Until the day when we can all pay the right people, I think it’s actually okay to download a cracked copy of a game as long as you legally own it for real. And the cracked version isn’t actually a virus.

  • Booze Zombie

    You probably are paying the wrong people, you be paying the Devs, not the suits pulling their strings.

    Until the day when we can all pay the right people, I think it’s actually okay to download a cracked copy of a game as long as you legally own it for real. And the cracked version isn’t actually a virus.

  • Booze Zombie

    You probably are paying the wrong people, you be paying the Devs, not the suits pulling their strings.

    Until the day when we can all pay the right people, I think it’s actually okay to download a cracked copy of a game as long as you legally own it for real. And the cracked version isn’t actually a virus.

  • Booze Zombie

    should be*

  • Booze Zombie

    should be*

  • Booze Zombie

    should be*

  • miquonranger03

    Well, there’s good news and bad news, according to Wikipedia.
    Bad news, “Tagès installs its own device drivers as a part of the copy protection system. The Tagès device drivers are installed on the first launch of any Tagès-protected application.”
    Good (somewhat) news, “he makers of Tagès claim that one of the main strengths of their product is the incorporation of a “Secure Area” on a physical medium, which renders the production of a relatively perfect copy of a protected disc a nearly impossible task. Additionally, a set of anti-cracking instruments is being provided with the protection system (such as TAGESCAP, Tagès APIs and Tagès VFS); this is claimed to make the reverse-engineering of Tagès-protected applications a difficult and time-consuming task.

    In reality the protection is not that difficult to break.”

    Your points are completely valid, and this is something I agree with you on. It’s something I feel strongly about as well, and it’s ridiculous that something that you pay for is not completely yours.

  • miquonranger03

    Well, there’s good news and bad news, according to Wikipedia.
    Bad news, “Tagès installs its own device drivers as a part of the copy protection system. The Tagès device drivers are installed on the first launch of any Tagès-protected application.”
    Good (somewhat) news, “he makers of Tagès claim that one of the main strengths of their product is the incorporation of a “Secure Area” on a physical medium, which renders the production of a relatively perfect copy of a protected disc a nearly impossible task. Additionally, a set of anti-cracking instruments is being provided with the protection system (such as TAGESCAP, Tagès APIs and Tagès VFS); this is claimed to make the reverse-engineering of Tagès-protected applications a difficult and time-consuming task.

    In reality the protection is not that difficult to break.”

    Your points are completely valid, and this is something I agree with you on. It’s something I feel strongly about as well, and it’s ridiculous that something that you pay for is not completely yours.

  • miquonranger03

    Well, there’s good news and bad news, according to Wikipedia.
    Bad news, “Tagès installs its own device drivers as a part of the copy protection system. The Tagès device drivers are installed on the first launch of any Tagès-protected application.”
    Good (somewhat) news, “he makers of Tagès claim that one of the main strengths of their product is the incorporation of a “Secure Area” on a physical medium, which renders the production of a relatively perfect copy of a protected disc a nearly impossible task. Additionally, a set of anti-cracking instruments is being provided with the protection system (such as TAGESCAP, Tagès APIs and Tagès VFS); this is claimed to make the reverse-engineering of Tagès-protected applications a difficult and time-consuming task.

    In reality the protection is not that difficult to break.”

    Your points are completely valid, and this is something I agree with you on. It’s something I feel strongly about as well, and it’s ridiculous that something that you pay for is not completely yours.

  • Spoonytard

    Common Spoony man, time to get with the age man. Computer gaming is dead! yeah it was cool back when consoles were inferior to computers, but now consoles have caught up and surpassed computer gaming. I mean unless your playing some old school games on your computer there’s no point in buying a newly released game. That anti pirating software on those things are killer. Preferably I don’t buy anything with an installation limit, that stuff can stay on the shelf.

  • Spoonytard

    Common Spoony man, time to get with the age man. Computer gaming is dead! yeah it was cool back when consoles were inferior to computers, but now consoles have caught up and surpassed computer gaming. I mean unless your playing some old school games on your computer there’s no point in buying a newly released game. That anti pirating software on those things are killer. Preferably I don’t buy anything with an installation limit, that stuff can stay on the shelf.

  • Spoonytard

    Common Spoony man, time to get with the age man. Computer gaming is dead! yeah it was cool back when consoles were inferior to computers, but now consoles have caught up and surpassed computer gaming. I mean unless your playing some old school games on your computer there’s no point in buying a newly released game. That anti pirating software on those things are killer. Preferably I don’t buy anything with an installation limit, that stuff can stay on the shelf.

  • Bob

    I totally agree, PC gaming is a pain compared to the good old days.

  • Bob

    I totally agree, PC gaming is a pain compared to the good old days.

  • Mehow

    I couldn’t agree more!
    Two months ago I finaly left PC gaming and bought the Nintendo Wii.

    Good bye my friend- I loved Morrowind, Diablo and Battlefield but now its just too much for me.

    Now I just put a game in and can fully enjoy it without any problems with my graphic card or RAM.

  • Mehow

    I couldn’t agree more!
    Two months ago I finaly left PC gaming and bought the Nintendo Wii.

    Good bye my friend- I loved Morrowind, Diablo and Battlefield but now its just too much for me.

    Now I just put a game in and can fully enjoy it without any problems with my graphic card or RAM.

  • Mehow

    I couldn’t agree more!
    Two months ago I finaly left PC gaming and bought the Nintendo Wii.

    Good bye my friend- I loved Morrowind, Diablo and Battlefield but now its just too much for me.

    Now I just put a game in and can fully enjoy it without any problems with my graphic card or RAM.

  • http://www.pixelsmashers.com/ Derangel

    I can understand being pissed off about limited activations, but TAGES isn’t bad. Its just kind there. Not a root kit, not a virus, just DRM. TAGES has been around for a few years and I’ve never heard one report of legit users having problems. Piece of shit pirates have problems with TAGES, but hey they deserve it. TAGES isn’t SecuROM 7, it isn’t Starforce. It is good DRM. Its pretty much just a disc check. No phoning home, no access to the internet, no activations. It can cause funny things to happen when you try to crack it though. TAGES is pretty much what SecuROM used to be.

    You really should do some research before getting too pissed about some types of DRM.

  • http://www.pixelsmashers.com/ Derangel

    I can understand being pissed off about limited activations, but TAGES isn’t bad. Its just kind there. Not a root kit, not a virus, just DRM. TAGES has been around for a few years and I’ve never heard one report of legit users having problems. Piece of shit pirates have problems with TAGES, but hey they deserve it. TAGES isn’t SecuROM 7, it isn’t Starforce. It is good DRM. Its pretty much just a disc check. No phoning home, no access to the internet, no activations. It can cause funny things to happen when you try to crack it though. TAGES is pretty much what SecuROM used to be.

    You really should do some research before getting too pissed about some types of DRM.

  • http://www.pixelsmashers.com Derangel

    I can understand being pissed off about limited activations, but TAGES isn’t bad. Its just kind there. Not a root kit, not a virus, just DRM. TAGES has been around for a few years and I’ve never heard one report of legit users having problems. Piece of shit pirates have problems with TAGES, but hey they deserve it. TAGES isn’t SecuROM 7, it isn’t Starforce. It is good DRM. Its pretty much just a disc check. No phoning home, no access to the internet, no activations. It can cause funny things to happen when you try to crack it though. TAGES is pretty much what SecuROM used to be.

    You really should do some research before getting too pissed about some types of DRM.

  • hh

    Moving to the consoles doesn’t help.. at all. It’s just what the companies want. They are deliberately trying to annoy PC gamers into giving up and buying a console. PC is the only ‘free’ platform, everything else is controlled by Sony, MS or Nintendo. They can pretty much do what they want and you just have to put up with it. They can control the content in the released games, none of them allow AO rated games released on their console. On PC, there aren’t such restrictions. Where I live, console games cost up to 75 euros, which is 100 $. PC games are 30-50 € and their price drops rapidly. Next-gen we might have games that cost 80, 90 or 100 €. As I said, PC is the only truly free platform, which has it’s downsides like huge amount of piracy… But during this, as I like to call it, “Hollywood” state of the industry – you know, there’s lots of sequels and rehashes, games are being dumbed down and casualized, and game quality is just generally shit these days since they pretty much only care about sales.. Anyway, during this dark age of gaming PC is the only platform with some hope left. We just need to vote with our wallets and support the right devs and publishers, the ones that don’t punish their customers with DRM.

  • hh

    Moving to the consoles doesn’t help.. at all. It’s just what the companies want. They are deliberately trying to annoy PC gamers into giving up and buying a console. PC is the only ‘free’ platform, everything else is controlled by Sony, MS or Nintendo. They can pretty much do what they want and you just have to put up with it. They can control the content in the released games, none of them allow AO rated games released on their console. On PC, there aren’t such restrictions. Where I live, console games cost up to 75 euros, which is 100 $. PC games are 30-50 € and their price drops rapidly. Next-gen we might have games that cost 80, 90 or 100 €. As I said, PC is the only truly free platform, which has it’s downsides like huge amount of piracy… But during this, as I like to call it, “Hollywood” state of the industry – you know, there’s lots of sequels and rehashes, games are being dumbed down and casualized, and game quality is just generally shit these days since they pretty much only care about sales.. Anyway, during this dark age of gaming PC is the only platform with some hope left. We just need to vote with our wallets and support the right devs and publishers, the ones that don’t punish their customers with DRM.

  • hh

    Moving to the consoles doesn’t help.. at all. It’s just what the companies want. They are deliberately trying to annoy PC gamers into giving up and buying a console. PC is the only ‘free’ platform, everything else is controlled by Sony, MS or Nintendo. They can pretty much do what they want and you just have to put up with it. They can control the content in the released games, none of them allow AO rated games released on their console. On PC, there aren’t such restrictions. Where I live, console games cost up to 75 euros, which is 100 $. PC games are 30-50 € and their price drops rapidly. Next-gen we might have games that cost 80, 90 or 100 €. As I said, PC is the only truly free platform, which has it’s downsides like huge amount of piracy… But during this, as I like to call it, “Hollywood” state of the industry – you know, there’s lots of sequels and rehashes, games are being dumbed down and casualized, and game quality is just generally shit these days since they pretty much only care about sales.. Anyway, during this dark age of gaming PC is the only platform with some hope left. We just need to vote with our wallets and support the right devs and publishers, the ones that don’t punish their customers with DRM.

  • Tryzon

    Well, apparently modern PC developers are complete dipsticks. I feel your pain, Spoony.

  • Tryzon

    Well, apparently modern PC developers are complete dipsticks. I feel your pain, Spoony.

  • Tryzon

    Well, apparently modern PC developers are complete dipsticks. I feel your pain, Spoony.

  • http://vulpesmundi.deviantart.com/ Vulpes Mundi

    You got me to thinking what was the last PC game I actually payed money for and when did I get it? I had to look into my CD collection, but it turns out the answer is from 2004: Sid Meier’s Pirates. Still one of my favorite game series of all time. I have to wonder, though, what’s going to happen when Diablo 3 finally comes out in another decade or two (kidding, kidding… or am I?). I want to give it a fair try, but at the same time I’m not a fan of DRM. We can only hope Blizzard will make some good decisions in this regard. *Crosses fingers, eyes, and toes.*

  • http://vulpesmundi.deviantart.com/ Vulpes Mundi

    You got me to thinking what was the last PC game I actually payed money for and when did I get it? I had to look into my CD collection, but it turns out the answer is from 2004: Sid Meier’s Pirates. Still one of my favorite game series of all time. I have to wonder, though, what’s going to happen when Diablo 3 finally comes out in another decade or two (kidding, kidding… or am I?). I want to give it a fair try, but at the same time I’m not a fan of DRM. We can only hope Blizzard will make some good decisions in this regard. *Crosses fingers, eyes, and toes.*

  • Jason

    I agree, it is hard to be a PC gamer. Nowadays, I play older games more than newer games. Newest game I play is STALKER: SOC. Play it with mods, one of the best games ever; at night time, lights off, headphones only.

  • Jason

    I agree, it is hard to be a PC gamer. Nowadays, I play older games more than newer games. Newest game I play is STALKER: SOC. Play it with mods, one of the best games ever; at night time, lights off, headphones only.

  • Jason

    I agree, it is hard to be a PC gamer. Nowadays, I play older games more than newer games. Newest game I play is STALKER: SOC. Play it with mods, one of the best games ever; at night time, lights off, headphones only.

  • Anonymous

    I feel no schadenfreude here. Seriously.

    I’m a console fanboy (I’ll admit it) and had to deal with a whole ration of crap from PC gamers on F.E.A.R. 2’s forums. But what’s happening to PC gamers (and PC gaming) is just wrong. It’s the same kind of wrong-headed approach Sony takes with their firmware updates to the PSP.

    It’s bad for gamers and it’s bad for gaming.

    It’s not all bad, though. If you consider purchasing older games, give Good Old Games a try. They promise DRM-free up front. I grabbed Fallout 1, 2 and Tactics from them. Good times.

  • mflorian

    I feel no schadenfreude here. Seriously.

    I’m a console fanboy (I’ll admit it) and had to deal with a whole ration of crap from PC gamers on F.E.A.R. 2’s forums. But what’s happening to PC gamers (and PC gaming) is just wrong. It’s the same kind of wrong-headed approach Sony takes with their firmware updates to the PSP.

    It’s bad for gamers and it’s bad for gaming.

    It’s not all bad, though. If you consider purchasing older games, give Good Old Games a try. They promise DRM-free up front. I grabbed Fallout 1, 2 and Tactics from them. Good times.

  • fflegendaryhero

    Truer words were never spoken.

  • fflegendaryhero

    Truer words were never spoken.

  • bob

    “Have I really been reduced to giving games background checks to see if they have software syphilis?”
    I lol’d

  • bob

    “Have I really been reduced to giving games background checks to see if they have software syphilis?”
    I lol’d

  • bob

    “Have I really been reduced to giving games background checks to see if they have software syphilis?”
    I lol’d

  • Maniac

    well at least you still have a PS3/360/(Wii?)

  • Maniac

    well at least you still have a PS3/360/(Wii?)

  • Dreamer

    -sigh-
    Could people stop it with the ”YOU HAVE TO UPDATE YOUR PC EVERY FIVE HOURS OTHERWISE YOU CANNOT PLAY ANY NEW GAMES”

    For fuckballs sake, guys. I’ve had my comp for 1,5 years now and I can play any game on high graphics, including crysis.

    I agree with yer, spoony. It’s fucking annoying with all this DRM crap. However, I don’t really care about it since I play olderish games like warcraft 3 and starwars jediknight outcast 2.

    I just can’t see the reason of the limited install thing. It doesn’t really affect pirates, so what brilliant genious thought of it?

  • Dreamer

    -sigh-
    Could people stop it with the ”YOU HAVE TO UPDATE YOUR PC EVERY FIVE HOURS OTHERWISE YOU CANNOT PLAY ANY NEW GAMES”

    For fuckballs sake, guys. I’ve had my comp for 1,5 years now and I can play any game on high graphics, including crysis.

    I agree with yer, spoony. It’s fucking annoying with all this DRM crap. However, I don’t really care about it since I play olderish games like warcraft 3 and starwars jediknight outcast 2.

    I just can’t see the reason of the limited install thing. It doesn’t really affect pirates, so what brilliant genious thought of it?

  • Riptor

    PC gaming nowadays sucks. And since I’m not a big fan o consoles, I hardly play games anymore. My PC is used as storage for movies and music. Once in a while I do play PS3 at my friends house (that’s right, I don’t have a PS3. Blasphemy!).

    A friend of mine only plays pirate games nowadays, because of that security crap that only allows you to install it a couple of times. He says that with pirated games he doesn’t have that problem, you can install it as many times as you want and, if the source is good, there are no problems with it.

    So, basically, by trying to stop piracy with this dumbass move, all they have done is make piracy more popular and sought after then ever. Way to go!

  • Riptor

    PC gaming nowadays sucks. And since I’m not a big fan o consoles, I hardly play games anymore. My PC is used as storage for movies and music. Once in a while I do play PS3 at my friends house (that’s right, I don’t have a PS3. Blasphemy!).

    A friend of mine only plays pirate games nowadays, because of that security crap that only allows you to install it a couple of times. He says that with pirated games he doesn’t have that problem, you can install it as many times as you want and, if the source is good, there are no problems with it.

    So, basically, by trying to stop piracy with this dumbass move, all they have done is make piracy more popular and sought after then ever. Way to go!

  • acabaca

    If Spoony still finds games that look interesting, he’s got it easy. I’m an adventure/RPG fan and I have disliked pretty much every PC game released since Bioware stopped making Infinity Engine games and started making crappy Tomb Raider clones that pretended they still counted as RPGs because they had a couple meaningless stats you could raise and ridiculously dumb good/evil choices that didn’t even really affect anything. The only PC game in the past four years that I have bought for real money was Witcher Enhanced Edition and even that I half-regret (it has that stupid nontactical action-clicky combat all games have nowadays). Bingwood was also kind of fun, for the hour-and-a-half it took me to beat it.

    It’s like people have forgotten the hows and whys of entire _genres._

  • acabaca

    If Spoony still finds games that look interesting, he’s got it easy. I’m an adventure/RPG fan and I have disliked pretty much every PC game released since Bioware stopped making Infinity Engine games and started making crappy Tomb Raider clones that pretended they still counted as RPGs because they had a couple meaningless stats you could raise and ridiculously dumb good/evil choices that didn’t even really affect anything. The only PC game in the past four years that I have bought for real money was Witcher Enhanced Edition and even that I half-regret (it has that stupid nontactical action-clicky combat all games have nowadays). Bingwood was also kind of fun, for the hour-and-a-half it took me to beat it.

    It’s like people have forgotten the hows and whys of entire _genres._

  • dudejo

    that’s how everything works nowadays.

    i’ll bet an arm and leg that they’re making it difficult ON PURPOSE. just so they can then turn around and say : “see? there’s lots of piracy going on! our copy protections are justified!”

    kinda like high taxes.

  • dudejo

    that’s how everything works nowadays.

    i’ll bet an arm and leg that they’re making it difficult ON PURPOSE. just so they can then turn around and say : “see? there’s lots of piracy going on! our copy protections are justified!”

    kinda like high taxes.

  • dudejo

    that’s how everything works nowadays.

    i’ll bet an arm and leg that they’re making it difficult ON PURPOSE. just so they can then turn around and say : “see? there’s lots of piracy going on! our copy protections are justified!”

    kinda like high taxes.

  • http://www.raygirl.deviantart.com/ Raygirl

    It’s a shame that PC gaming is being so brutally whipped by software issues and compatability. I remember the number of times i was disapointed by a game because my system wasn’t compatable for some BLOODY REASON…and not being a PC wizz (and actually being terrified of computers and all their silly error messages) I never knew what to do or who to pay to fix things. Like the original Black&White, which i bought from a discount store for peanut about 4 years after it was originally releaced, I’ve only JUST been able to install the fucking thing on my VISTA-POWERED LAPTOP. WHUT, IT MAKES NO SENCE

    And to be honest installing games on a PC scares me. With consoles you know that if something goes wrong with a game it’s not going to wipe your whole system, or force YOU to wipe/reboot your system just to get rid of the stench of incompatability puke and gremlins. A console does what it says on the box, it plays games and that’s it. but when you’re juggling a PC with games and documents and work and memories etc (Unless you have fancy gaming only pc) the prospect of a game installing some crazy crap onto your computer that you can’t remove and don’t know what it does is a scary prospect for a n00b like me

  • http://www.raygirl.deviantart.com Raygirl

    It’s a shame that PC gaming is being so brutally whipped by software issues and compatability. I remember the number of times i was disapointed by a game because my system wasn’t compatable for some BLOODY REASON…and not being a PC wizz (and actually being terrified of computers and all their silly error messages) I never knew what to do or who to pay to fix things. Like the original Black&White, which i bought from a discount store for peanut about 4 years after it was originally releaced, I’ve only JUST been able to install the fucking thing on my VISTA-POWERED LAPTOP. WHUT, IT MAKES NO SENCE

    And to be honest installing games on a PC scares me. With consoles you know that if something goes wrong with a game it’s not going to wipe your whole system, or force YOU to wipe/reboot your system just to get rid of the stench of incompatability puke and gremlins. A console does what it says on the box, it plays games and that’s it. but when you’re juggling a PC with games and documents and work and memories etc (Unless you have fancy gaming only pc) the prospect of a game installing some crazy crap onto your computer that you can’t remove and don’t know what it does is a scary prospect for a n00b like me

  • Twilit Mike

    PC gaming has always been hard in my opinion, but many love the freedom it offers.

    I think the hardware situation is easier than ever considering how consoles are the focus these days. I can play Crysis (the best PC game of recent times IMO) on high with my old £40 card, just imagine how well it runs anything else.

    DRM is stupid, and pirates are likely worse. The best option is really to buy off Steam, or better yet activate new boxed games off Steam. The other option is to buy carefully, but that isn’t anywhere near as fun…

    What the hell is X3 anyway? Go play some MadWorld man.

  • Twilit Mike

    PC gaming has always been hard in my opinion, but many love the freedom it offers.

    I think the hardware situation is easier than ever considering how consoles are the focus these days. I can play Crysis (the best PC game of recent times IMO) on high with my old £40 card, just imagine how well it runs anything else.

    DRM is stupid, and pirates are likely worse. The best option is really to buy off Steam, or better yet activate new boxed games off Steam. The other option is to buy carefully, but that isn’t anywhere near as fun…

    What the hell is X3 anyway? Go play some MadWorld man.

  • Thomast

    That’s just exacly how I fell today. I’ve been a PC gamer for years dating back to the point and click adventure era. And i really find myself confused right now. It started with the STEAM for Half life 2 and the situation just went overboard. and I just play older games now. (thx. for Swat 4 btw., games fun but i just played one mission like 40 times..arghhh). Becouse i work on my computer i had to have a stable platform and all those little copyright programs are just fucking it up. Damn I even had second thoughts about installing Itunes, I just hate self-aware software that runs in the background. in my personal experience original games won’t work more often than pirate versions. Sad but true.

  • Thomast

    That’s just exacly how I fell today. I’ve been a PC gamer for years dating back to the point and click adventure era. And i really find myself confused right now. It started with the STEAM for Half life 2 and the situation just went overboard. and I just play older games now. (thx. for Swat 4 btw., games fun but i just played one mission like 40 times..arghhh). Becouse i work on my computer i had to have a stable platform and all those little copyright programs are just fucking it up. Damn I even had second thoughts about installing Itunes, I just hate self-aware software that runs in the background. in my personal experience original games won’t work more often than pirate versions. Sad but true.

  • Thomast

    That’s just exacly how I fell today. I’ve been a PC gamer for years dating back to the point and click adventure era. And i really find myself confused right now. It started with the STEAM for Half life 2 and the situation just went overboard. and I just play older games now. (thx. for Swat 4 btw., games fun but i just played one mission like 40 times..arghhh). Becouse i work on my computer i had to have a stable platform and all those little copyright programs are just fucking it up. Damn I even had second thoughts about installing Itunes, I just hate self-aware software that runs in the background. in my personal experience original games won’t work more often than pirate versions. Sad but true.

  • NucleaRaptor

    #70:
    >>PC platform
    >>superior system
    >>creativity and originality

    oh u

  • NucleaRaptor

    #70:
    >>PC platform
    >>superior system
    >>creativity and originality

    oh u

  • HeartBurnKid

    Time for an Amazon bomb. I’ve already posted my 1-star review.

    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001RIMXCW/ref=cm_cr_mts_prod_img

  • HeartBurnKid

    Time for an Amazon bomb. I’ve already posted my 1-star review.

    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001RIMXCW/ref=cm_cr_mts_prod_img

  • HeartBurnKid

    Time for an Amazon bomb. I’ve already posted my 1-star review.

    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001RIMXCW/ref=cm_cr_mts_prod_img

  • JR

    Good one NucleaRaptor. Hopefully it will discourage people from buying it. I do actually read customer reviews on amazons site before I buy shit. Same with newegg.

  • JR

    Good one NucleaRaptor. Hopefully it will discourage people from buying it. I do actually read customer reviews on amazons site before I buy shit. Same with newegg.

  • JR

    Sorry. That last post was meant for Heartburnkid. :P

  • JR

    Sorry. That last post was meant for Heartburnkid. :P

  • JR

    Sorry. That last post was meant for Heartburnkid. :P

  • HellSpawn

    To true, fortunatly my PC isn’t high inuff to run a lot of the new games so i just hang out with my early 2000 games, still good by the way =D

  • HellSpawn

    To true, fortunatly my PC isn’t high inuff to run a lot of the new games so i just hang out with my early 2000 games, still good by the way =D

  • Vik

    I fully agree with Tessera (post #70) forget new releases, (most of them suck balls really) I’m a total old school gamer raised on NES, so I know what good effort in a game looks like. I can finish halo 1, 2, and 3 faster than I can beat zelda on the NES. It’s getting tiring, I want a game that doesn’t all of one weekend to beat and unlock… and I don’t even play that much anymore so I know it isn’t my “Mad Skillz” cause I haven’t got any. I hoped from Console to PC gaming in search of something more like a 10 course gaming meal instead of these10 hours of game play farts. And now my big bad pc that looks like a pitbull on steroids is on the brink of death cause I had the balls to install a fucking game on it and I’m back to the old Dell 2400…

    F**K new releases let the companies suffer! I’d rather go pander of to some old fashioned games. speaking of… *Boots up starcraft* ZERG RUSH!

  • Vik

    I fully agree with Tessera (post #70) forget new releases, (most of them suck balls really) I’m a total old school gamer raised on NES, so I know what good effort in a game looks like. I can finish halo 1, 2, and 3 faster than I can beat zelda on the NES. It’s getting tiring, I want a game that doesn’t all of one weekend to beat and unlock… and I don’t even play that much anymore so I know it isn’t my “Mad Skillz” cause I haven’t got any. I hoped from Console to PC gaming in search of something more like a 10 course gaming meal instead of these10 hours of game play farts. And now my big bad pc that looks like a pitbull on steroids is on the brink of death cause I had the balls to install a fucking game on it and I’m back to the old Dell 2400…

    F**K new releases let the companies suffer! I’d rather go pander of to some old fashioned games. speaking of… *Boots up starcraft* ZERG RUSH!

  • HellSpawn

    To true, fortunatly my PC isn’t high inuff to run a lot of the new games so i just hang out with my early 2000 games, still good by the way =D

  • Vik

    I fully agree with Tessera (post #70) forget new releases, (most of them suck balls really) I’m a total old school gamer raised on NES, so I know what good effort in a game looks like. I can finish halo 1, 2, and 3 faster than I can beat zelda on the NES. It’s getting tiring, I want a game that doesn’t all of one weekend to beat and unlock… and I don’t even play that much anymore so I know it isn’t my “Mad Skillz” cause I haven’t got any. I hoped from Console to PC gaming in search of something more like a 10 course gaming meal instead of these10 hours of game play farts. And now my big bad pc that looks like a pitbull on steroids is on the brink of death cause I had the balls to install a fucking game on it and I’m back to the old Dell 2400…

    F**K new releases let the companies suffer! I’d rather go pander of to some old fashioned games. speaking of… *Boots up starcraft* ZERG RUSH!

  • Vik

    I really need to spell check my posts before posting…

  • Vik

    I really need to spell check my posts before posting…

  • Vik

    I really need to spell check my posts before posting…

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  • zman1294

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  • Cloud Windfoot Omega

    Well although the DRM is horrible stuff i have to say this… if you pirate games you are helping put DRM on the game! if you pay for the game, you are paying them for DRM… but if you don’t pay for the game the likelihood of them even being able to make more games is lessened, which would either have them flee the pc or fight with DRM. really the best way i see for fighting pirates is having a login system that has more to do with the game then just a few files. instead have them coded right into the game.

    spoony is right about Steam not being perfect, it has DRM, if you forget your login your done, and people have already pirated almost all the games on it.

  • Cloud Windfoot Omega

    Well although the DRM is horrible stuff i have to say this… if you pirate games you are helping put DRM on the game! if you pay for the game, you are paying them for DRM… but if you don’t pay for the game the likelihood of them even being able to make more games is lessened, which would either have them flee the pc or fight with DRM. really the best way i see for fighting pirates is having a login system that has more to do with the game then just a few files. instead have them coded right into the game.

    spoony is right about Steam not being perfect, it has DRM, if you forget your login your done, and people have already pirated almost all the games on it.

  • Cloud Windfoot Omega

    Well although the DRM is horrible stuff i have to say this… if you pirate games you are helping put DRM on the game! if you pay for the game, you are paying them for DRM… but if you don’t pay for the game the likelihood of them even being able to make more games is lessened, which would either have them flee the pc or fight with DRM. really the best way i see for fighting pirates is having a login system that has more to do with the game then just a few files. instead have them coded right into the game.

    spoony is right about Steam not being perfect, it has DRM, if you forget your login your done, and people have already pirated almost all the games on it.

  • xYuuYanx

    “You’re actually forcing us to turn to the very people you’re trying to stop.”

    Oh sweet, sweet irony.

  • xYuuYanx

    “You’re actually forcing us to turn to the very people you’re trying to stop.”

    Oh sweet, sweet irony.

  • xYuuYanx

    “You’re actually forcing us to turn to the very people you’re trying to stop.”

    Oh sweet, sweet irony.

  • http://twitter.com/CannonGod CannonGod

    This is why I’m pro buying games on Steam. Sure it’s DRM too, but DRM done right!

  • http://twitter.com/CannonGod CannonGod

    This is why I’m pro buying games on Steam. Sure it’s DRM too, but DRM done right!

  • http://twitter.com/CannonGod CannonGod

    This is why I’m pro buying games on Steam. Sure it’s DRM too, but DRM done right!

  • acabaca

    >DRM done right

    There is no such thing.
    Steam is bull too. I refuse to pay money for an abstract “right to play a game” and a promise that I can download it as long as the download service is on. I want concrete ownership that lasts forever, like with every other object.

  • acabaca

    >DRM done right

    There is no such thing.
    Steam is bull too. I refuse to pay money for an abstract “right to play a game” and a promise that I can download it as long as the download service is on. I want concrete ownership that lasts forever, like with every other object.

  • acabaca

    >DRM done right

    There is no such thing.
    Steam is bull too. I refuse to pay money for an abstract “right to play a game” and a promise that I can download it as long as the download service is on. I want concrete ownership that lasts forever, like with every other object.

  • Taerdin

    I don’t know what TAGES does exactly either

    But I do know I really enjoyed playing X3 when I was, and I’m not nearly done with it. Also the community is really nice, you can send someone an email and talk to them about your concerns I’m sure.

    Also, I like steam if only because its fast, efficient, and cheap. I got far cry 2 for 14.99 on steam, then I went to future shop the other day and saw it there for 49.99!!! No way I would pay that much just to have a box and a disk. You want to own a copy of the data you download from steam? Burn it to a disk! Problem solved. Even if steam stops running you could still play your games in offline mode.

    I feel like complaints from steam either come from the uninformed or people who are afraid of change.

  • Taerdin

    I don’t know what TAGES does exactly either

    But I do know I really enjoyed playing X3 when I was, and I’m not nearly done with it. Also the community is really nice, you can send someone an email and talk to them about your concerns I’m sure.

    Also, I like steam if only because its fast, efficient, and cheap. I got far cry 2 for 14.99 on steam, then I went to future shop the other day and saw it there for 49.99!!! No way I would pay that much just to have a box and a disk. You want to own a copy of the data you download from steam? Burn it to a disk! Problem solved. Even if steam stops running you could still play your games in offline mode.

    I feel like complaints from steam either come from the uninformed or people who are afraid of change.

  • Taerdin

    I don’t know what TAGES does exactly either

    But I do know I really enjoyed playing X3 when I was, and I’m not nearly done with it. Also the community is really nice, you can send someone an email and talk to them about your concerns I’m sure.

    Also, I like steam if only because its fast, efficient, and cheap. I got far cry 2 for 14.99 on steam, then I went to future shop the other day and saw it there for 49.99!!! No way I would pay that much just to have a box and a disk. You want to own a copy of the data you download from steam? Burn it to a disk! Problem solved. Even if steam stops running you could still play your games in offline mode.

    I feel like complaints from steam either come from the uninformed or people who are afraid of change.

  • Mitchell Bandes

    To answer your question, Spoony: Yes. Yes you are.

  • Mitchell Bandes

    To answer your question, Spoony: Yes. Yes you are.

  • Mitchell Bandes

    To answer your question, Spoony: Yes. Yes you are.

  • southpaw308

    X3; I spent several hours trying to get that abomination to work on my system. It wouldn’t run alongside my other software, which seemed strange since they were all common applications. Much like C&C: The First Decade I had to resort to a copy protection crack to get the game working. But at least C&C was worth paying for; X3 was so convoluted and complicated that I gave up after 20mins of utter boredom. I got more out of the heavily-discounted copy of homeworld2 that was bundled with it on amazon. Lots more.

    I don’t believe in DRM and never had, it just frustrates users not to be able to do what they wish with THEIR property. I wont use steam again, it has invalidated the product key that came with my boxed copy of half-life2. I lost my login and the email addres it was linked to in an ISP change. Steam wouldn’t even answer my support emails despite, the fact I could provide alternate info to prove it was my account. So the boxed copy of Half-Life2 is now a coaster, they key is useless once mandatory registration via steam is performed.

    Screw that, I’m off to play decent abandonware! ;-) Terminal Velocity here I come!

  • southpaw308

    X3; I spent several hours trying to get that abomination to work on my system. It wouldn’t run alongside my other software, which seemed strange since they were all common applications. Much like C&C: The First Decade I had to resort to a copy protection crack to get the game working. But at least C&C was worth paying for; X3 was so convoluted and complicated that I gave up after 20mins of utter boredom. I got more out of the heavily-discounted copy of homeworld2 that was bundled with it on amazon. Lots more.

    I don’t believe in DRM and never had, it just frustrates users not to be able to do what they wish with THEIR property. I wont use steam again, it has invalidated the product key that came with my boxed copy of half-life2. I lost my login and the email addres it was linked to in an ISP change. Steam wouldn’t even answer my support emails despite, the fact I could provide alternate info to prove it was my account. So the boxed copy of Half-Life2 is now a coaster, they key is useless once mandatory registration via steam is performed.

    Screw that, I’m off to play decent abandonware! ;-) Terminal Velocity here I come!

  • southpaw308

    X3; I spent several hours trying to get that abomination to work on my system. It wouldn’t run alongside my other software, which seemed strange since they were all common applications. Much like C&C: The First Decade I had to resort to a copy protection crack to get the game working. But at least C&C was worth paying for; X3 was so convoluted and complicated that I gave up after 20mins of utter boredom. I got more out of the heavily-discounted copy of homeworld2 that was bundled with it on amazon. Lots more.

    I don’t believe in DRM and never had, it just frustrates users not to be able to do what they wish with THEIR property. I wont use steam again, it has invalidated the product key that came with my boxed copy of half-life2. I lost my login and the email addres it was linked to in an ISP change. Steam wouldn’t even answer my support emails despite, the fact I could provide alternate info to prove it was my account. So the boxed copy of Half-Life2 is now a coaster, they key is useless once mandatory registration via steam is performed.

    Screw that, I’m off to play decent abandonware! ;-) Terminal Velocity here I come!

  • Anonymous

    Valid points, but the 360/ps3/wii all have their own pitfalls as well. I’ve lost count of the number of people who I know, who are on their 10th 360. There have been a few wonky DRM issues on the PS3, and on the Wii you have the friend code debacle.
    Let’s not also forget that most of the games you can buy for the 360/PS3 are also on the computer, cost less money, and in many cases, look better, and play better. I think ironically enough Capcom, a Japanese developer does one of the best jobs of making their PC versions run very well, without driving people batcrap insane. The only exception to that was when Ubisoft was paying them to distribute their games. But one would think Western Developers would want to do things closer to the Capcom mold seeing how they started on the PC.
    I know a number of people think this is new, but Console game ports have gone on since the era of the Commodore 64.
    But like the PC console games are becoming more, and more DRMed to death too. Just look to Live Marketplace, PSN, and Wiiware as an example. In most of those (If not all) you can’t play your legally purchased DL at a friend’s house. If that DL doesn’t match the serial of the console it won’t play. I can tell you on The Wii, you can’t even bring legally purchased Guitar Hero tracks to a friend’s house for a party. An error will come up saying how it’s the wrong Wii.

    Console developers are also talking about making subscription games like on the PC too.

    The things that will always keep a computer viable to play games on though are the fact that everyone just about has one, and the fact that it’s always been independents fueling it more than anyone else. Activision (Although starting with the 2600), and EA started out as independents. Then we had Sierra, Broderbund, Accolade, Hewson, Time Warp, etc. They became big or merged with someone big. Then we had Apogee, Blizzard, ID, Epic Megagames,etc.
    All we’re really waiting for is another big indie hit.

  • Anonymous

    Valid points, but the 360/ps3/wii all have their own pitfalls as well. I’ve lost count of the number of people who I know, who are on their 10th 360. There have been a few wonky DRM issues on the PS3, and on the Wii you have the friend code debacle.
    Let’s not also forget that most of the games you can buy for the 360/PS3 are also on the computer, cost less money, and in many cases, look better, and play better. I think ironically enough Capcom, a Japanese developer does one of the best jobs of making their PC versions run very well, without driving people batcrap insane. The only exception to that was when Ubisoft was paying them to distribute their games. But one would think Western Developers would want to do things closer to the Capcom mold seeing how they started on the PC.
    I know a number of people think this is new, but Console game ports have gone on since the era of the Commodore 64.
    But like the PC console games are becoming more, and more DRMed to death too. Just look to Live Marketplace, PSN, and Wiiware as an example. In most of those (If not all) you can’t play your legally purchased DL at a friend’s house. If that DL doesn’t match the serial of the console it won’t play. I can tell you on The Wii, you can’t even bring legally purchased Guitar Hero tracks to a friend’s house for a party. An error will come up saying how it’s the wrong Wii.

    Console developers are also talking about making subscription games like on the PC too.

    The things that will always keep a computer viable to play games on though are the fact that everyone just about has one, and the fact that it’s always been independents fueling it more than anyone else. Activision (Although starting with the 2600), and EA started out as independents. Then we had Sierra, Broderbund, Accolade, Hewson, Time Warp, etc. They became big or merged with someone big. Then we had Apogee, Blizzard, ID, Epic Megagames,etc.
    All we’re really waiting for is another big indie hit.

  • http://thedeviot.vox.com The Deviot

    Valid points, but the 360/ps3/wii all have their own pitfalls as well. I’ve lost count of the number of people who I know, who are on their 10th 360. There have been a few wonky DRM issues on the PS3, and on the Wii you have the friend code debacle.
    Let’s not also forget that most of the games you can buy for the 360/PS3 are also on the computer, cost less money, and in many cases, look better, and play better. I think ironically enough Capcom, a Japanese developer does one of the best jobs of making their PC versions run very well, without driving people batcrap insane. The only exception to that was when Ubisoft was paying them to distribute their games. But one would think Western Developers would want to do things closer to the Capcom mold seeing how they started on the PC.
    I know a number of people think this is new, but Console game ports have gone on since the era of the Commodore 64.
    But like the PC console games are becoming more, and more DRMed to death too. Just look to Live Marketplace, PSN, and Wiiware as an example. In most of those (If not all) you can’t play your legally purchased DL at a friend’s house. If that DL doesn’t match the serial of the console it won’t play. I can tell you on The Wii, you can’t even bring legally purchased Guitar Hero tracks to a friend’s house for a party. An error will come up saying how it’s the wrong Wii.

    Console developers are also talking about making subscription games like on the PC too.

    The things that will always keep a computer viable to play games on though are the fact that everyone just about has one, and the fact that it’s always been independents fueling it more than anyone else. Activision (Although starting with the 2600), and EA started out as independents. Then we had Sierra, Broderbund, Accolade, Hewson, Time Warp, etc. They became big or merged with someone big. Then we had Apogee, Blizzard, ID, Epic Megagames,etc.
    All we’re really waiting for is another big indie hit.

  • soilin

    ugh copy protection bullshit =.=
    now i admit i do download allot of stuff (so sorry guys I’m one of the people who made them do this)
    but i usually do this only with old games that i can’t possibly buy anywhere else anymore or to test a game/program before i buy it.
    Why would i pay allot of money for a game I’m not even certain I’ll like or what it will be playing it? And if someone says demo’s damn them :p. How can I know what the game is like when they limit your options or give you a timer =.=
    switching to programs, I downloaded photoshop because I’m not planning to make money with anything i make in it so why should I pay that much money for it? (seriously photoshop is expensive o_O)

    i’ve read someone talk about diablo, now I can’t wait for diablo 3 ^^ and I’m not too worried since blizzard realises the mistakes they made, now they added an automatic patch to diablo 2 LOD that allows you to play without disc (THANK YOU BLIZZARD!!)

    and the installation limits are the things that are going too far for me, like Spoony said in his video, you are now actually only renting the damn game, you install it and you lose it? What sense does that make? Why limit installations? If you force the user to use the CD it wouldn’t matter =.= and if they bitch about people being able to play it without the cd anyways, well those people can install it as well without the limitations dumbasses! Nowadays they just hide behind the piracy stuff (I really hope piratebay survives the charges against it as it is one of the last free torrent sites) and do whatever they want

    and indeed the games become crappier and crappier. Now that they can force you to go online they can sell unfinished games that have to be uploaded every time they figure out how to clear bugs and mistakes =.=. And the games don’t become anybetter anymore neither :(

    wow long review sorry guys I’ll shut up now ^^’>

    btw SPOONY RULES!

  • soilin

    ugh copy protection bullshit =.=
    now i admit i do download allot of stuff (so sorry guys I’m one of the people who made them do this)
    but i usually do this only with old games that i can’t possibly buy anywhere else anymore or to test a game/program before i buy it.
    Why would i pay allot of money for a game I’m not even certain I’ll like or what it will be playing it? And if someone says demo’s damn them :p. How can I know what the game is like when they limit your options or give you a timer =.=
    switching to programs, I downloaded photoshop because I’m not planning to make money with anything i make in it so why should I pay that much money for it? (seriously photoshop is expensive o_O)

    i’ve read someone talk about diablo, now I can’t wait for diablo 3 ^^ and I’m not too worried since blizzard realises the mistakes they made, now they added an automatic patch to diablo 2 LOD that allows you to play without disc (THANK YOU BLIZZARD!!)

    and the installation limits are the things that are going too far for me, like Spoony said in his video, you are now actually only renting the damn game, you install it and you lose it? What sense does that make? Why limit installations? If you force the user to use the CD it wouldn’t matter =.= and if they bitch about people being able to play it without the cd anyways, well those people can install it as well without the limitations dumbasses! Nowadays they just hide behind the piracy stuff (I really hope piratebay survives the charges against it as it is one of the last free torrent sites) and do whatever they want

    and indeed the games become crappier and crappier. Now that they can force you to go online they can sell unfinished games that have to be uploaded every time they figure out how to clear bugs and mistakes =.=. And the games don’t become anybetter anymore neither :(

    wow long review sorry guys I’ll shut up now ^^’>

    btw SPOONY RULES!

  • soilin

    ugh copy protection bullshit =.=
    now i admit i do download allot of stuff (so sorry guys I’m one of the people who made them do this)
    but i usually do this only with old games that i can’t possibly buy anywhere else anymore or to test a game/program before i buy it.
    Why would i pay allot of money for a game I’m not even certain I’ll like or what it will be playing it? And if someone says demo’s damn them :p. How can I know what the game is like when they limit your options or give you a timer =.=
    switching to programs, I downloaded photoshop because I’m not planning to make money with anything i make in it so why should I pay that much money for it? (seriously photoshop is expensive o_O)

    i’ve read someone talk about diablo, now I can’t wait for diablo 3 ^^ and I’m not too worried since blizzard realises the mistakes they made, now they added an automatic patch to diablo 2 LOD that allows you to play without disc (THANK YOU BLIZZARD!!)

    and the installation limits are the things that are going too far for me, like Spoony said in his video, you are now actually only renting the damn game, you install it and you lose it? What sense does that make? Why limit installations? If you force the user to use the CD it wouldn’t matter =.= and if they bitch about people being able to play it without the cd anyways, well those people can install it as well without the limitations dumbasses! Nowadays they just hide behind the piracy stuff (I really hope piratebay survives the charges against it as it is one of the last free torrent sites) and do whatever they want

    and indeed the games become crappier and crappier. Now that they can force you to go online they can sell unfinished games that have to be uploaded every time they figure out how to clear bugs and mistakes =.=. And the games don’t become anybetter anymore neither :(

    wow long review sorry guys I’ll shut up now ^^’>

    btw SPOONY RULES!

  • Chutley

    AMEN SPOON

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    AMEN SPOON

  • Chutley

    AMEN SPOON

  • Anonymouse

    Ah, I miss the good old days when you could circumvent any copyright and piracy protection with a simple sharpie on the circumference. Does that still work, btw? That DRM frustration is exactly why Apple stopped doing that shit. So now all itunes are itunes plus and DRM-free. See, that’s because Apple TRUSTS their customers, unlike EA and SONY, and doesn’t treat us like criminals. This is also why most “PC gamers” nowadays are 12yo WoWfags and Diablo II addicts. The other problem with PC gaming is that right when you buy the game, a couple months later, your hardware is already obsolete. Crysis is pretty much just a tech demo for the Far Cry engine, for which you need a CrayX25 supercomputer to run it. Nowadays, PC gaming is all about which game has the best graphics. The problem is some of the games require Vista and some don’t. With Windows 7 coming out soon, the shit’s just going to hit the fan.

  • Anonymouse

    Ah, I miss the good old days when you could circumvent any copyright and piracy protection with a simple sharpie on the circumference. Does that still work, btw? That DRM frustration is exactly why Apple stopped doing that shit. So now all itunes are itunes plus and DRM-free. See, that’s because Apple TRUSTS their customers, unlike EA and SONY, and doesn’t treat us like criminals. This is also why most “PC gamers” nowadays are 12yo WoWfags and Diablo II addicts. The other problem with PC gaming is that right when you buy the game, a couple months later, your hardware is already obsolete. Crysis is pretty much just a tech demo for the Far Cry engine, for which you need a CrayX25 supercomputer to run it. Nowadays, PC gaming is all about which game has the best graphics. The problem is some of the games require Vista and some don’t. With Windows 7 coming out soon, the shit’s just going to hit the fan.

  • Anonymouse

    Ah, I miss the good old days when you could circumvent any copyright and piracy protection with a simple sharpie on the circumference. Does that still work, btw? That DRM frustration is exactly why Apple stopped doing that shit. So now all itunes are itunes plus and DRM-free. See, that’s because Apple TRUSTS their customers, unlike EA and SONY, and doesn’t treat us like criminals. This is also why most “PC gamers” nowadays are 12yo WoWfags and Diablo II addicts. The other problem with PC gaming is that right when you buy the game, a couple months later, your hardware is already obsolete. Crysis is pretty much just a tech demo for the Far Cry engine, for which you need a CrayX25 supercomputer to run it. Nowadays, PC gaming is all about which game has the best graphics. The problem is some of the games require Vista and some don’t. With Windows 7 coming out soon, the shit’s just going to hit the fan.

  • RC

    Yeah. I honestly haven’t played a new PC game in a long time, and for the most part, all the DRM and configuration issues got me to switch to console gaming.

    Back when I was in college it’d be okay to spend an hour or two trying to figure out how to make a PC game run on your system by browsing message boards and all that stuff. But I seriously don’t have the time to deal with that now. I don’t want to spend forever just gettng the game to run efficiently, I just want to stick in the game disc and have it work. Consoles give me that right now.

    I remember a day when PC games used to be like that too, but it’s just not that way anymore.

  • RC

    Yeah. I honestly haven’t played a new PC game in a long time, and for the most part, all the DRM and configuration issues got me to switch to console gaming.

    Back when I was in college it’d be okay to spend an hour or two trying to figure out how to make a PC game run on your system by browsing message boards and all that stuff. But I seriously don’t have the time to deal with that now. I don’t want to spend forever just gettng the game to run efficiently, I just want to stick in the game disc and have it work. Consoles give me that right now.

    I remember a day when PC games used to be like that too, but it’s just not that way anymore.

  • RC

    Yeah. I honestly haven’t played a new PC game in a long time, and for the most part, all the DRM and configuration issues got me to switch to console gaming.

    Back when I was in college it’d be okay to spend an hour or two trying to figure out how to make a PC game run on your system by browsing message boards and all that stuff. But I seriously don’t have the time to deal with that now. I don’t want to spend forever just gettng the game to run efficiently, I just want to stick in the game disc and have it work. Consoles give me that right now.

    I remember a day when PC games used to be like that too, but it’s just not that way anymore.

  • freddan

    I bought far cry 2 on the release date for Pc. The game sucked ass so I tried to sell it back to the store. They offered me a penny for it…A fucking penny. Screw those online-security registration things.

  • freddan

    I bought far cry 2 on the release date for Pc. The game sucked ass so I tried to sell it back to the store. They offered me a penny for it…A fucking penny. Screw those online-security registration things.

  • freddan

    I bought far cry 2 on the release date for Pc. The game sucked ass so I tried to sell it back to the store. They offered me a penny for it…A fucking penny. Screw those online-security registration things.

  • someone

    Yep… All true. Im glad not every game is like this though… F.ex. Supreme Commander didn’t have any bullshit protection and didn’t even require the dvd after installing. And anyone remember Freespace 2? The “read this” part basically said “you can distribute and copy this game to your friends” =D Those were the days for PC gamer! But then came Valve Steam and the protection shit just kept evolving to worse.

  • someone

    Yep… All true. Im glad not every game is like this though… F.ex. Supreme Commander didn’t have any bullshit protection and didn’t even require the dvd after installing. And anyone remember Freespace 2? The “read this” part basically said “you can distribute and copy this game to your friends” =D Those were the days for PC gamer! But then came Valve Steam and the protection shit just kept evolving to worse.

  • someone

    Yep… All true. Im glad not every game is like this though… F.ex. Supreme Commander didn’t have any bullshit protection and didn’t even require the dvd after installing. And anyone remember Freespace 2? The “read this” part basically said “you can distribute and copy this game to your friends” =D Those were the days for PC gamer! But then came Valve Steam and the protection shit just kept evolving to worse.

  • Coldfire

    Dude , Noah, as much as I love PC Games , I agree with you in every point of view. I mean i fucking hate SecuROM and all those shitty protection systems which , almost everytime , get cracked and into the piracy world. I won’t lie , i played a few pirated games which worked better than the originals.
    And that is felt more often by the day.
    I personally think you are paying WAY too much for SecuROM protected games, so my answer is , yes, you are paying the wrong people.
    SecuROM fucking sucks and games protected by that deserve a major discount for making people tear their eyeballs out trying to figure it out.
    Keep it up , i’m checking your blog daily.

  • Coldfire

    Dude , Noah, as much as I love PC Games , I agree with you in every point of view. I mean i fucking hate SecuROM and all those shitty protection systems which , almost everytime , get cracked and into the piracy world. I won’t lie , i played a few pirated games which worked better than the originals.
    And that is felt more often by the day.
    I personally think you are paying WAY too much for SecuROM protected games, so my answer is , yes, you are paying the wrong people.
    SecuROM fucking sucks and games protected by that deserve a major discount for making people tear their eyeballs out trying to figure it out.
    Keep it up , i’m checking your blog daily.

  • Coldfire

    Dude , Noah, as much as I love PC Games , I agree with you in every point of view. I mean i fucking hate SecuROM and all those shitty protection systems which , almost everytime , get cracked and into the piracy world. I won’t lie , i played a few pirated games which worked better than the originals.
    And that is felt more often by the day.
    I personally think you are paying WAY too much for SecuROM protected games, so my answer is , yes, you are paying the wrong people.
    SecuROM fucking sucks and games protected by that deserve a major discount for making people tear their eyeballs out trying to figure it out.
    Keep it up , i’m checking your blog daily.

  • VashTS544

    @Spectere

    My bad. Not completely privy to all the different versions of SecuROM.

  • VashTS544

    @Spectere

    My bad. Not completely privy to all the different versions of SecuROM.

  • Lance Tristram

    I don’t see why publishers and marketing departments don’t see this. I can see what you’re talking about Noah and I’ll back you 100% if you wanna go to war with these people. I myself am still a huge fan of the Baldur’s Gate series, own both the two original games and their expansions. I am also very limited in my hard drive space and find myself frequently uninstalling and reinstalling those games to make sure I have room to do other things that are required of my PC. I’d be pissed if I found out that because of all of that reinstallation crap that I had just blown out the preperscribed number of installations the game actually allowed. I can understand that gaming companies need to make money off this and it makes no sense to have one guy buy the game and then distribute it to the rest of the world for free but at the same time, its your fucking game, you paid for it, you should get to do what you want with it. It sounds like you don’t even get to play half the games you drop $50+ on because you find out that your PC can’t run it for whatever reason and because the shrink wrap is broken you’re fucked. I say let the almight dollar decide it, let PC gamers rise up under the boycott banner until some gets to figuring out how a compromise can be reached, the system in place is obviously not working and while I’m sure many comments before me have said the same I’ll say it again; we are where the money comes from, if they won’t give us a legitimate product why should we give them legitimate business.

  • Lance Tristram

    I don’t see why publishers and marketing departments don’t see this. I can see what you’re talking about Noah and I’ll back you 100% if you wanna go to war with these people. I myself am still a huge fan of the Baldur’s Gate series, own both the two original games and their expansions. I am also very limited in my hard drive space and find myself frequently uninstalling and reinstalling those games to make sure I have room to do other things that are required of my PC. I’d be pissed if I found out that because of all of that reinstallation crap that I had just blown out the preperscribed number of installations the game actually allowed. I can understand that gaming companies need to make money off this and it makes no sense to have one guy buy the game and then distribute it to the rest of the world for free but at the same time, its your fucking game, you paid for it, you should get to do what you want with it. It sounds like you don’t even get to play half the games you drop $50+ on because you find out that your PC can’t run it for whatever reason and because the shrink wrap is broken you’re fucked. I say let the almight dollar decide it, let PC gamers rise up under the boycott banner until some gets to figuring out how a compromise can be reached, the system in place is obviously not working and while I’m sure many comments before me have said the same I’ll say it again; we are where the money comes from, if they won’t give us a legitimate product why should we give them legitimate business.

  • Lance Tristram

    I don’t see why publishers and marketing departments don’t see this. I can see what you’re talking about Noah and I’ll back you 100% if you wanna go to war with these people. I myself am still a huge fan of the Baldur’s Gate series, own both the two original games and their expansions. I am also very limited in my hard drive space and find myself frequently uninstalling and reinstalling those games to make sure I have room to do other things that are required of my PC. I’d be pissed if I found out that because of all of that reinstallation crap that I had just blown out the preperscribed number of installations the game actually allowed. I can understand that gaming companies need to make money off this and it makes no sense to have one guy buy the game and then distribute it to the rest of the world for free but at the same time, its your fucking game, you paid for it, you should get to do what you want with it. It sounds like you don’t even get to play half the games you drop $50+ on because you find out that your PC can’t run it for whatever reason and because the shrink wrap is broken you’re fucked. I say let the almight dollar decide it, let PC gamers rise up under the boycott banner until some gets to figuring out how a compromise can be reached, the system in place is obviously not working and while I’m sure many comments before me have said the same I’ll say it again; we are where the money comes from, if they won’t give us a legitimate product why should we give them legitimate business.

  • Superslash2

    It looks like The TAGES thing isn’t as bad. It seems like it protects parts of the data on the disc from being read and then the TAGES software reads those parts, like a go-between.

    So if you install the thing, it sounds like it won’t stop you from doing anything with it, it just makes it so that you need the disc to install it. Which you have. I’m not too sure, my understanding of the terms is hazy but it’s probably wrong.

    You buy the right to own a game just like you buy the right to own a book, when you purchase one. What you don’t buy is the right to distribute and publish the game like it’s yours. Not that the DRM’s handling of it is good, it’s just that that’s probably why companies treat clients like criminals, the offense doesn’t come till after the program is already sold – no one can tell if you’re going to put your games up for torrent, so they do this garbage.

    Sorry, you’re having a hard time with the game, Spoony.

  • Superslash2

    It looks like The TAGES thing isn’t as bad. It seems like it protects parts of the data on the disc from being read and then the TAGES software reads those parts, like a go-between.

    So if you install the thing, it sounds like it won’t stop you from doing anything with it, it just makes it so that you need the disc to install it. Which you have. I’m not too sure, my understanding of the terms is hazy but it’s probably wrong.

    You buy the right to own a game just like you buy the right to own a book, when you purchase one. What you don’t buy is the right to distribute and publish the game like it’s yours. Not that the DRM’s handling of it is good, it’s just that that’s probably why companies treat clients like criminals, the offense doesn’t come till after the program is already sold – no one can tell if you’re going to put your games up for torrent, so they do this garbage.

    Sorry, you’re having a hard time with the game, Spoony.

  • Superslash2

    It looks like The TAGES thing isn’t as bad. It seems like it protects parts of the data on the disc from being read and then the TAGES software reads those parts, like a go-between.

    So if you install the thing, it sounds like it won’t stop you from doing anything with it, it just makes it so that you need the disc to install it. Which you have. I’m not too sure, my understanding of the terms is hazy but it’s probably wrong.

    You buy the right to own a game just like you buy the right to own a book, when you purchase one. What you don’t buy is the right to distribute and publish the game like it’s yours. Not that the DRM’s handling of it is good, it’s just that that’s probably why companies treat clients like criminals, the offense doesn’t come till after the program is already sold – no one can tell if you’re going to put your games up for torrent, so they do this garbage.

    Sorry, you’re having a hard time with the game, Spoony.

  • Kharkiv

    “Just Pirate”?

    I have grown tired of hearing this over the years. If you are fully able to buy the game, then do it. Pirating as an excuse for the DRM situation is not helping the situation.
    Do you know why?
    Because companies look at those damn numbers. Company X goes: “Oh dear! There is over 200,000 downloads in Isohunt, that could have been 200,000 more sales on our side! We have to find a way to stop them”

    You have to admit it, the reason DRM exists is because of the executive’s fear of losing sales.
    They were never intended to hurt the good-civilian that lives to play great games. But now with the internet everyone is a damn suspect, its fucking sad. What can be done?
    Well for one if you dont like the DRM… DONT BUY THE DAMN GAME. And if you dont like the DRM… DONT PIRATE THE DAMN GAME.
    Let it rot. Believe me, it will be pretty funny when game X doesnt get any sales and no one DL-s it, I can assure you the companies will scratch their head at those numbers.
    And you cant really blame developers for being pushed against the wall when it comes down to making games, they now cant make the shining masterpieces they intended to make because their bosses dont know if they are really worth the money making.
    PC gaming is not dead… its just stuck in the same stagnant pool of shit everyone else is stuck in the gaming business. Some are just less stuck than others.

  • Kharkiv

    “Just Pirate”?

    I have grown tired of hearing this over the years. If you are fully able to buy the game, then do it. Pirating as an excuse for the DRM situation is not helping the situation.
    Do you know why?
    Because companies look at those damn numbers. Company X goes: “Oh dear! There is over 200,000 downloads in Isohunt, that could have been 200,000 more sales on our side! We have to find a way to stop them”

    You have to admit it, the reason DRM exists is because of the executive’s fear of losing sales.
    They were never intended to hurt the good-civilian that lives to play great games. But now with the internet everyone is a damn suspect, its fucking sad. What can be done?
    Well for one if you dont like the DRM… DONT BUY THE DAMN GAME. And if you dont like the DRM… DONT PIRATE THE DAMN GAME.
    Let it rot. Believe me, it will be pretty funny when game X doesnt get any sales and no one DL-s it, I can assure you the companies will scratch their head at those numbers.
    And you cant really blame developers for being pushed against the wall when it comes down to making games, they now cant make the shining masterpieces they intended to make because their bosses dont know if they are really worth the money making.
    PC gaming is not dead… its just stuck in the same stagnant pool of shit everyone else is stuck in the gaming business. Some are just less stuck than others.

  • Kharkiv

    “Just Pirate”?

    I have grown tired of hearing this over the years. If you are fully able to buy the game, then do it. Pirating as an excuse for the DRM situation is not helping the situation.
    Do you know why?
    Because companies look at those damn numbers. Company X goes: “Oh dear! There is over 200,000 downloads in Isohunt, that could have been 200,000 more sales on our side! We have to find a way to stop them”

    You have to admit it, the reason DRM exists is because of the executive’s fear of losing sales.
    They were never intended to hurt the good-civilian that lives to play great games. But now with the internet everyone is a damn suspect, its fucking sad. What can be done?
    Well for one if you dont like the DRM… DONT BUY THE DAMN GAME. And if you dont like the DRM… DONT PIRATE THE DAMN GAME.
    Let it rot. Believe me, it will be pretty funny when game X doesnt get any sales and no one DL-s it, I can assure you the companies will scratch their head at those numbers.
    And you cant really blame developers for being pushed against the wall when it comes down to making games, they now cant make the shining masterpieces they intended to make because their bosses dont know if they are really worth the money making.
    PC gaming is not dead… its just stuck in the same stagnant pool of shit everyone else is stuck in the gaming business. Some are just less stuck than others.

  • D4rk

    thats all well and good but what if u actually wanna play the game? u deal with the DRM or pirate it.

  • D4rk

    thats all well and good but what if u actually wanna play the game? u deal with the DRM or pirate it.

  • D4rk

    thats all well and good but what if u actually wanna play the game? u deal with the DRM or pirate it.

  • Natural

    Couldn’t agree more. Up until a few years ago it wasn’t really a big deal. Most games had reasonable hardware requirements, and even if your computer was a few years old it could run most things pretty easily. Now if it’s not ridiculous hardware requirements, it’s copy protection, Steam (fuck Steam), poor support, and on and on.

    I don’t own the modern consoles, so I’ve been PC gaming exclusively for a while now, and it’s just getting ridiculous. My computer has an Athlon XP processor, which some recent games don’t even support. That’s right, they won’t even boot. So I can go out and buy Left 4 Dead, run it perfectly, but then not be able to boot other games released at the same time or earlier. It used to be the case that even if your computer sucked balls you could at least run a game just to behold the glory of 5 fps. Don’t get me wrong, my system’s old anyway and an upgrade is coming soon, but it’s just annoying to have to download a demo or pirated version just to see if it will even run before buying it.

  • Natural

    Couldn’t agree more. Up until a few years ago it wasn’t really a big deal. Most games had reasonable hardware requirements, and even if your computer was a few years old it could run most things pretty easily. Now if it’s not ridiculous hardware requirements, it’s copy protection, Steam (fuck Steam), poor support, and on and on.

    I don’t own the modern consoles, so I’ve been PC gaming exclusively for a while now, and it’s just getting ridiculous. My computer has an Athlon XP processor, which some recent games don’t even support. That’s right, they won’t even boot. So I can go out and buy Left 4 Dead, run it perfectly, but then not be able to boot other games released at the same time or earlier. It used to be the case that even if your computer sucked balls you could at least run a game just to behold the glory of 5 fps. Don’t get me wrong, my system’s old anyway and an upgrade is coming soon, but it’s just annoying to have to download a demo or pirated version just to see if it will even run before buying it.

  • Natural

    Couldn’t agree more. Up until a few years ago it wasn’t really a big deal. Most games had reasonable hardware requirements, and even if your computer was a few years old it could run most things pretty easily. Now if it’s not ridiculous hardware requirements, it’s copy protection, Steam (fuck Steam), poor support, and on and on.

    I don’t own the modern consoles, so I’ve been PC gaming exclusively for a while now, and it’s just getting ridiculous. My computer has an Athlon XP processor, which some recent games don’t even support. That’s right, they won’t even boot. So I can go out and buy Left 4 Dead, run it perfectly, but then not be able to boot other games released at the same time or earlier. It used to be the case that even if your computer sucked balls you could at least run a game just to behold the glory of 5 fps. Don’t get me wrong, my system’s old anyway and an upgrade is coming soon, but it’s just annoying to have to download a demo or pirated version just to see if it will even run before buying it.

  • Anonymous

    When you buy a book, you don’t buy the right to own the book. You buy the book itself. Do book publishers go apeshit on the off chance you may lend the book to a friend to read? Do they bitch and moan about “lost sales”? Do they withold copies from libraries on the off-chance someone might read it for free?

    It’s like how pirating music only became a huge issue with the release of the CD. When the cassette was the norm, people were swapping mix tapes all the time. And let’s not forget the VHS and Beta. Where was the uproar? Granted, I was a kid and may not have noticed, but I don’t remember the FBI busting down anyone’s door because they taped Aliens off the TV.

    The difference here is technology. Not because the industry has fundamentally changed. Not because attitudes are different among consumers (exactly how many people bought Adobe Photoshop honestly the first time?). They’re fucking with you because they can.

    Despite the bleating from the RIAA, movie and game publishers, pirating is not any bigger an issue than it was in the past. The only difference is their ability to add malware to the content.

    Here’s a refresher course: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_Sony_BMG_CD_copy_protection_scandal

    A real pirate will not have paid for it in the first place and cracked that copy protection like an egg. So, who exactly is DRM punishing?

    DRM is collective punishment of the innocent. It’s taking your hard-earned money and saying “I believe you to be a potential criminal. I will act on the assumption that’s true in the absence of any evidence to support it. Any complaining compounds your potential guilt.”

    Getting a crack for your software may be illegal, but it’s not always immoral.

  • Anonymous

    When you buy a book, you don’t buy the right to own the book. You buy the book itself. Do book publishers go apeshit on the off chance you may lend the book to a friend to read? Do they bitch and moan about “lost sales”? Do they withold copies from libraries on the off-chance someone might read it for free?

    It’s like how pirating music only became a huge issue with the release of the CD. When the cassette was the norm, people were swapping mix tapes all the time. And let’s not forget the VHS and Beta. Where was the uproar? Granted, I was a kid and may not have noticed, but I don’t remember the FBI busting down anyone’s door because they taped Aliens off the TV.

    The difference here is technology. Not because the industry has fundamentally changed. Not because attitudes are different among consumers (exactly how many people bought Adobe Photoshop honestly the first time?). They’re fucking with you because they can.

    Despite the bleating from the RIAA, movie and game publishers, pirating is not any bigger an issue than it was in the past. The only difference is their ability to add malware to the content.

    Here’s a refresher course: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_Sony_BMG_CD_copy_protection_scandal

    A real pirate will not have paid for it in the first place and cracked that copy protection like an egg. So, who exactly is DRM punishing?

    DRM is collective punishment of the innocent. It’s taking your hard-earned money and saying “I believe you to be a potential criminal. I will act on the assumption that’s true in the absence of any evidence to support it. Any complaining compounds your potential guilt.”

    Getting a crack for your software may be illegal, but it’s not always immoral.

  • mflorian

    When you buy a book, you don’t buy the right to own the book. You buy the book itself. Do book publishers go apeshit on the off chance you may lend the book to a friend to read? Do they bitch and moan about “lost sales”? Do they withold copies from libraries on the off-chance someone might read it for free?

    It’s like how pirating music only became a huge issue with the release of the CD. When the cassette was the norm, people were swapping mix tapes all the time. And let’s not forget the VHS and Beta. Where was the uproar? Granted, I was a kid and may not have noticed, but I don’t remember the FBI busting down anyone’s door because they taped Aliens off the TV.

    The difference here is technology. Not because the industry has fundamentally changed. Not because attitudes are different among consumers (exactly how many people bought Adobe Photoshop honestly the first time?). They’re fucking with you because they can.

    Despite the bleating from the RIAA, movie and game publishers, pirating is not any bigger an issue than it was in the past. The only difference is their ability to add malware to the content.

    Here’s a refresher course: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_Sony_BMG_CD_copy_protection_scandal

    A real pirate will not have paid for it in the first place and cracked that copy protection like an egg. So, who exactly is DRM punishing?

    DRM is collective punishment of the innocent. It’s taking your hard-earned money and saying “I believe you to be a potential criminal. I will act on the assumption that’s true in the absence of any evidence to support it. Any complaining compounds your potential guilt.”

    Getting a crack for your software may be illegal, but it’s not always immoral.

  • Oxymoron

    X3:TC represents much of what is wrong with PC gaming.

    It’s buggy as hell, the AI sucks, the basic interface is still built on the framework of X-Tension which came out in 2000 (which was a clunky POS in even in the day, and is now even harder to navigate because of all the new sectors and features), the controls are are horrible and non-intuitive, lacking basic features like resizeable windows or tooltips, the story is laughable…
    Still, it also showcases how much is possible with PC games – like setting up your own trade empire, starting out with a thoroughly unremarkable M4 class medium fighter worth 500 K credits and ending up engaging in huge space battles with your own fleet of heavy destroyers, each worth over a hundred million credits.

    A shame the space sim genre has almost died though… I so miss the days of Origin’s Wing Commander/Privateer series – I’d buy the whole collection in a heartbeat if it ever comes to Steam or GOG.

  • Oxymoron

    X3:TC represents much of what is wrong with PC gaming.

    It’s buggy as hell, the AI sucks, the basic interface is still built on the framework of X-Tension which came out in 2000 (which was a clunky POS in even in the day, and is now even harder to navigate because of all the new sectors and features), the controls are are horrible and non-intuitive, lacking basic features like resizeable windows or tooltips, the story is laughable…
    Still, it also showcases how much is possible with PC games – like setting up your own trade empire, starting out with a thoroughly unremarkable M4 class medium fighter worth 500 K credits and ending up engaging in huge space battles with your own fleet of heavy destroyers, each worth over a hundred million credits.

    A shame the space sim genre has almost died though… I so miss the days of Origin’s Wing Commander/Privateer series – I’d buy the whole collection in a heartbeat if it ever comes to Steam or GOG.

  • Oxymoron

    X3:TC represents much of what is wrong with PC gaming.

    It’s buggy as hell, the AI sucks, the basic interface is still built on the framework of X-Tension which came out in 2000 (which was a clunky POS in even in the day, and is now even harder to navigate because of all the new sectors and features), the controls are are horrible and non-intuitive, lacking basic features like resizeable windows or tooltips, the story is laughable…
    Still, it also showcases how much is possible with PC games – like setting up your own trade empire, starting out with a thoroughly unremarkable M4 class medium fighter worth 500 K credits and ending up engaging in huge space battles with your own fleet of heavy destroyers, each worth over a hundred million credits.

    A shame the space sim genre has almost died though… I so miss the days of Origin’s Wing Commander/Privateer series – I’d buy the whole collection in a heartbeat if it ever comes to Steam or GOG.

  • Bulldogc

    im using the steam version of x3tc and havent had any problems drm wise thusfar, perhapse the steam version doesnt have it instealled? i cant rember one way or another, i am fairly sure the steam version of x3 (origonal one) does not have any copy protection included with it atall asside from needing steam. and that can be easily circumvented.
    for your situation try and find a cd crack for me maybe, theres almost definatly one avaliable.

  • Bulldogc

    im using the steam version of x3tc and havent had any problems drm wise thusfar, perhapse the steam version doesnt have it instealled? i cant rember one way or another, i am fairly sure the steam version of x3 (origonal one) does not have any copy protection included with it atall asside from needing steam. and that can be easily circumvented.
    for your situation try and find a cd crack for me maybe, theres almost definatly one avaliable.

  • Bulldogc

    im using the steam version of x3tc and havent had any problems drm wise thusfar, perhapse the steam version doesnt have it instealled? i cant rember one way or another, i am fairly sure the steam version of x3 (origonal one) does not have any copy protection included with it atall asside from needing steam. and that can be easily circumvented.
    for your situation try and find a cd crack for me maybe, theres almost definatly one avaliable.

  • coolguy

    mflorian makes an EXCELLENT POINT.

  • coolguy

    mflorian makes an EXCELLENT POINT.

  • coolguy

    mflorian makes an EXCELLENT POINT.

  • http://arcticsunburn.com/ David Andrew Wiebe

    PC gamers are a dying breed. Yeah, even I was a fairly avid PC gamer up until a few months ago. But look what’s happening now. Console gaming is quickly taking over.

  • http://arcticsunburn.com/ David Andrew Wiebe

    PC gamers are a dying breed. Yeah, even I was a fairly avid PC gamer up until a few months ago. But look what’s happening now. Console gaming is quickly taking over.

  • http://arcticsunburn.com/ David Andrew Wiebe

    PC gamers are a dying breed. Yeah, even I was a fairly avid PC gamer up until a few months ago. But look what’s happening now. Console gaming is quickly taking over.

  • Busterdrag

    Its sad, really, most PC gamers (I’m not a real PC gamer though) seem to have died out, like you described above. Copy protection going haywire, lower quality of gaming compared to console releases (which are worse today too) and the need to update your PC about every 4 months if you really wanna keep up and play the newest released games the way they’re meant to be played.

    Also, X³: TC sucks balls. I love X and X², the X series was always a german product to be proud of, but though X³ was an okay game, it wasn’t as good as its predecessors, even if it pushed the graphics up extremly and tried to bring more action into the series, make it feel a bit more Wing Commander like.

    Still, it doesn’t feels as good as the predecessors. And X³: TC bugged the whole thing up additionly.

  • Busterdrag

    Its sad, really, most PC gamers (I’m not a real PC gamer though) seem to have died out, like you described above. Copy protection going haywire, lower quality of gaming compared to console releases (which are worse today too) and the need to update your PC about every 4 months if you really wanna keep up and play the newest released games the way they’re meant to be played.

    Also, X³: TC sucks balls. I love X and X², the X series was always a german product to be proud of, but though X³ was an okay game, it wasn’t as good as its predecessors, even if it pushed the graphics up extremly and tried to bring more action into the series, make it feel a bit more Wing Commander like.

    Still, it doesn’t feels as good as the predecessors. And X³: TC bugged the whole thing up additionly.

  • Busterdrag

    Its sad, really, most PC gamers (I’m not a real PC gamer though) seem to have died out, like you described above. Copy protection going haywire, lower quality of gaming compared to console releases (which are worse today too) and the need to update your PC about every 4 months if you really wanna keep up and play the newest released games the way they’re meant to be played.

    Also, X³: TC sucks balls. I love X and X², the X series was always a german product to be proud of, but though X³ was an okay game, it wasn’t as good as its predecessors, even if it pushed the graphics up extremly and tried to bring more action into the series, make it feel a bit more Wing Commander like.

    Still, it doesn’t feels as good as the predecessors. And X³: TC bugged the whole thing up additionly.

  • Kakihara

    Valve has single handedly turned me into a PC gamer, with some help from Blizzard, and Bethesda.

  • Kakihara

    Valve has single handedly turned me into a PC gamer, with some help from Blizzard, and Bethesda.

  • Kakihara

    Valve has single handedly turned me into a PC gamer, with some help from Blizzard, and Bethesda.

  • Superslash2

    I agree. The DRM is a useless way to handle it, I dont know about TAGES. But the problem isn’t just lending CDs to your friends, that’s an acceptable level of risk and more importantly, people will understand. No one would have attacked you for swapping tapes or CDs (well, they shouldn’t). But with torrents, the volume of transfers can increase by quite a bit. I agree the book analogy was stupid but while you can lend it to a friend, you can’t photocopy it and then release it over the internet for anyone to read if it’s not public domain – it’s not your call.

    Again, I don’t agree with how the copyright thing is enforced. Only that there is a need for the enforcement. But I don’t buy any iTunes songs exactly for these reasons.

  • Superslash2

    I agree. The DRM is a useless way to handle it, I dont know about TAGES. But the problem isn’t just lending CDs to your friends, that’s an acceptable level of risk and more importantly, people will understand. No one would have attacked you for swapping tapes or CDs (well, they shouldn’t). But with torrents, the volume of transfers can increase by quite a bit. I agree the book analogy was stupid but while you can lend it to a friend, you can’t photocopy it and then release it over the internet for anyone to read if it’s not public domain – it’s not your call.

    Again, I don’t agree with how the copyright thing is enforced. Only that there is a need for the enforcement. But I don’t buy any iTunes songs exactly for these reasons.

  • Superslash2

    I agree. The DRM is a useless way to handle it, I dont know about TAGES. But the problem isn’t just lending CDs to your friends, that’s an acceptable level of risk and more importantly, people will understand. No one would have attacked you for swapping tapes or CDs (well, they shouldn’t). But with torrents, the volume of transfers can increase by quite a bit. I agree the book analogy was stupid but while you can lend it to a friend, you can’t photocopy it and then release it over the internet for anyone to read if it’s not public domain – it’s not your call.

    Again, I don’t agree with how the copyright thing is enforced. Only that there is a need for the enforcement. But I don’t buy any iTunes songs exactly for these reasons.

  • Memph

    I’ve read a whole bunch of good comments here.
    Ans yes,
    people do download pirated games. For several reasons.
    To see if the game can run on their system and to see if the game is any good. when u know how to, its just as easy as downloading a demo. and to see if its any good.
    And yes,
    Companies do go and say stupid shit like “oh, our game has been downloaded xxxxx number of times. we could have had that $$”. but thats all theoretical. Like i said when u know how to, its just as easy as downloading a demo. So thos x number of times that the game has been downloaded doesnt mean that it would have sold the same number of times.
    But what does a pc gamer have to live with. Buying $200+ parts every 3/4 months so that they can play they’re game. its like buying a 800 dollar console every 1 to 2 years. pc games should be like 30 bucks just to compensate for the costs. and have good multiplayer support.

    I mean, xbox games get pirated to hell. but you dont see the companies complaining. because (my personal theory) those people that do download an xbox will probably not play it online (microsoft detection). so they go out and buy the original (if they like it).
    And nowdays gamedevelopers make a profit from the consloles, and port that shit to the pc. usually just making the ai aim better.
    Multiplayer is the reason why i buy the games i do. if it has strong multiplayer, im buyin it. The last 4 games i bought since like 4 years were cod4, stalker (which does have a very strong multyplayer and MASSIVE singleplayer) and race driver grid (which has free multyplayer no copy/drm protection, you could download this game and play it fully(( im not saying you should))) just cause its worth every penny. and uhhhhh…….. Dark Athena……………….(buh bye 60 euros ;’ ( ) i loved butcher bay. i WANTED this game. and got my ass handed to me by the drm.i felt cheated. then i check spoonyexperiment and what did i see…..the 5 second review. i should have……. well…. you know….. like the other shitty games i didnt buy.

    cd key protection is the best. if you pirate the game you only get half. no multyplayer!

    and to answer noah’s question…….

    i dont knwo which people yer paying, just remember, its YOUR money you decide whou you pay. do some (exstencive) research before you fork out the cash. the gaming “companies”dont wanna know how it was, they just want the $$$$$$$$$!!!!! theyll slap any big name on any piece of shit just so that people would buy it (lsl box office bust)

  • Memph

    I’ve read a whole bunch of good comments here.
    Ans yes,
    people do download pirated games. For several reasons.
    To see if the game can run on their system and to see if the game is any good. when u know how to, its just as easy as downloading a demo. and to see if its any good.
    And yes,
    Companies do go and say stupid shit like “oh, our game has been downloaded xxxxx number of times. we could have had that $$”. but thats all theoretical. Like i said when u know how to, its just as easy as downloading a demo. So thos x number of times that the game has been downloaded doesnt mean that it would have sold the same number of times.
    But what does a pc gamer have to live with. Buying $200+ parts every 3/4 months so that they can play they’re game. its like buying a 800 dollar console every 1 to 2 years. pc games should be like 30 bucks just to compensate for the costs. and have good multiplayer support.

    I mean, xbox games get pirated to hell. but you dont see the companies complaining. because (my personal theory) those people that do download an xbox will probably not play it online (microsoft detection). so they go out and buy the original (if they like it).
    And nowdays gamedevelopers make a profit from the consloles, and port that shit to the pc. usually just making the ai aim better.
    Multiplayer is the reason why i buy the games i do. if it has strong multiplayer, im buyin it. The last 4 games i bought since like 4 years were cod4, stalker (which does have a very strong multyplayer and MASSIVE singleplayer) and race driver grid (which has free multyplayer no copy/drm protection, you could download this game and play it fully(( im not saying you should))) just cause its worth every penny. and uhhhhh…….. Dark Athena……………….(buh bye 60 euros ;’ ( ) i loved butcher bay. i WANTED this game. and got my ass handed to me by the drm.i felt cheated. then i check spoonyexperiment and what did i see…..the 5 second review. i should have……. well…. you know….. like the other shitty games i didnt buy.

    cd key protection is the best. if you pirate the game you only get half. no multyplayer!

    and to answer noah’s question…….

    i dont knwo which people yer paying, just remember, its YOUR money you decide whou you pay. do some (exstencive) research before you fork out the cash. the gaming “companies”dont wanna know how it was, they just want the $$$$$$$$$!!!!! theyll slap any big name on any piece of shit just so that people would buy it (lsl box office bust)

  • Memph

    I’ve read a whole bunch of good comments here.
    Ans yes,
    people do download pirated games. For several reasons.
    To see if the game can run on their system and to see if the game is any good. when u know how to, its just as easy as downloading a demo. and to see if its any good.
    And yes,
    Companies do go and say stupid shit like “oh, our game has been downloaded xxxxx number of times. we could have had that $$”. but thats all theoretical. Like i said when u know how to, its just as easy as downloading a demo. So thos x number of times that the game has been downloaded doesnt mean that it would have sold the same number of times.
    But what does a pc gamer have to live with. Buying $200+ parts every 3/4 months so that they can play they’re game. its like buying a 800 dollar console every 1 to 2 years. pc games should be like 30 bucks just to compensate for the costs. and have good multiplayer support.

    I mean, xbox games get pirated to hell. but you dont see the companies complaining. because (my personal theory) those people that do download an xbox will probably not play it online (microsoft detection). so they go out and buy the original (if they like it).
    And nowdays gamedevelopers make a profit from the consloles, and port that shit to the pc. usually just making the ai aim better.
    Multiplayer is the reason why i buy the games i do. if it has strong multiplayer, im buyin it. The last 4 games i bought since like 4 years were cod4, stalker (which does have a very strong multyplayer and MASSIVE singleplayer) and race driver grid (which has free multyplayer no copy/drm protection, you could download this game and play it fully(( im not saying you should))) just cause its worth every penny. and uhhhhh…….. Dark Athena……………….(buh bye 60 euros ;’ ( ) i loved butcher bay. i WANTED this game. and got my ass handed to me by the drm.i felt cheated. then i check spoonyexperiment and what did i see…..the 5 second review. i should have……. well…. you know….. like the other shitty games i didnt buy.

    cd key protection is the best. if you pirate the game you only get half. no multyplayer!

    and to answer noah’s question…….

    i dont knwo which people yer paying, just remember, its YOUR money you decide whou you pay. do some (exstencive) research before you fork out the cash. the gaming “companies”dont wanna know how it was, they just want the $$$$$$$$$!!!!! theyll slap any big name on any piece of shit just so that people would buy it (lsl box office bust)

  • Targ Collective

    It’s like this – Egosoft are a small company trying to protect a significant investment. As a result they require the disk to actually be in the drive for the first year or so after release of their games; after this time period they generally release a patch to remove copy protection altogether. With Terran Conflict that time period could well be greater as the new Aldrin missions combined with release in the States will probably reset the clock, and there’s plenty more in the way of exciting stuff on the horizon, we are led to believe. Even so in around two years or so the copy protection probably will be gone, small potatoes in the scheme of things. Why the rant? X2 or X3:Reunion already have patches out to remove DRM and are incredibly fun games. If it really is that much of a problem just start out with those.

    Add to this the fact that the DVD has no restrictions on the amount of installs (at least as far as I know), Egosoft’s excellent record for arranging more activations with Steam users when that runs out and one of the most vibrant and downright freindly communities for any game in space and time and I have to say this smells like a storm in a teacup to me.

    Perhaps Spoony should do some more research. Kneejerk reactions like this can be pretty restricting. It’s a singleplayer game in any case so having to use the disk will only seriously inconvenience the pirates in the first place.

  • Targ Collective

    It’s like this – Egosoft are a small company trying to protect a significant investment. As a result they require the disk to actually be in the drive for the first year or so after release of their games; after this time period they generally release a patch to remove copy protection altogether. With Terran Conflict that time period could well be greater as the new Aldrin missions combined with release in the States will probably reset the clock, and there’s plenty more in the way of exciting stuff on the horizon, we are led to believe. Even so in around two years or so the copy protection probably will be gone, small potatoes in the scheme of things. Why the rant? X2 or X3:Reunion already have patches out to remove DRM and are incredibly fun games. If it really is that much of a problem just start out with those.

    Add to this the fact that the DVD has no restrictions on the amount of installs (at least as far as I know), Egosoft’s excellent record for arranging more activations with Steam users when that runs out and one of the most vibrant and downright freindly communities for any game in space and time and I have to say this smells like a storm in a teacup to me.

    Perhaps Spoony should do some more research. Kneejerk reactions like this can be pretty restricting. It’s a singleplayer game in any case so having to use the disk will only seriously inconvenience the pirates in the first place.

  • Targ Collective

    It’s like this – Egosoft are a small company trying to protect a significant investment. As a result they require the disk to actually be in the drive for the first year or so after release of their games; after this time period they generally release a patch to remove copy protection altogether. With Terran Conflict that time period could well be greater as the new Aldrin missions combined with release in the States will probably reset the clock, and there’s plenty more in the way of exciting stuff on the horizon, we are led to believe. Even so in around two years or so the copy protection probably will be gone, small potatoes in the scheme of things. Why the rant? X2 or X3:Reunion already have patches out to remove DRM and are incredibly fun games. If it really is that much of a problem just start out with those.

    Add to this the fact that the DVD has no restrictions on the amount of installs (at least as far as I know), Egosoft’s excellent record for arranging more activations with Steam users when that runs out and one of the most vibrant and downright freindly communities for any game in space and time and I have to say this smells like a storm in a teacup to me.

    Perhaps Spoony should do some more research. Kneejerk reactions like this can be pretty restricting. It’s a singleplayer game in any case so having to use the disk will only seriously inconvenience the pirates in the first place.

  • Pac

    Alright, hee it goes:

    First of all, I am a gamer. That’s right, a damn, proud gamer. Whenever it comes to playing games, I play them. I don’t care wether I’m using a controller, or a mouse and a keyboard to do it, I just enjoy the game itself.

    I believe that the fact that pc gaming is becoming more of a chore rather than just plain fun, is a clear sign of where the industry is heading.Sure, gaming offers more when it comes to hardware and software. However, there is something no one can deny: Acces.

    Unlike pc gaming, consoles offer more opportunities in terms of expansion. It is easier for people to play on a console than on a pc plattform. More people play on a console, than they do on a pc. More money is generated through console games. Theese are facts. The gaming industry is leaded by console market, not by pc market. That’s why producers/developers make games more accessible to console users. Sure, it is cheaper to produce a game for pc, but the earnings are not as big as they do on console blockbusters. That is why games are exclusive to a system.

    Think of it as a producer:If you are making a pc game, first of all, you won’t make as much money as if you were making the same game for a console. Then, there is the fact that, (whatever the reasons are) it is easier to make illegal copies of the game you are investing your money in. So, You (As a producer/developer) , by default, enter a bussiness where loss is guaranteed. What do you do? You make the copying of the game as hard as possible. That’s why its so difficult to be a pc gamer nowadays.

    I gave up pc gaming long, long, long time ago. Its not about the graphics or the DLC, but the fun, a game has to offer.

  • Pac

    Alright, hee it goes:

    First of all, I am a gamer. That’s right, a damn, proud gamer. Whenever it comes to playing games, I play them. I don’t care wether I’m using a controller, or a mouse and a keyboard to do it, I just enjoy the game itself.

    I believe that the fact that pc gaming is becoming more of a chore rather than just plain fun, is a clear sign of where the industry is heading.Sure, gaming offers more when it comes to hardware and software. However, there is something no one can deny: Acces.

    Unlike pc gaming, consoles offer more opportunities in terms of expansion. It is easier for people to play on a console than on a pc plattform. More people play on a console, than they do on a pc. More money is generated through console games. Theese are facts. The gaming industry is leaded by console market, not by pc market. That’s why producers/developers make games more accessible to console users. Sure, it is cheaper to produce a game for pc, but the earnings are not as big as they do on console blockbusters. That is why games are exclusive to a system.

    Think of it as a producer:If you are making a pc game, first of all, you won’t make as much money as if you were making the same game for a console. Then, there is the fact that, (whatever the reasons are) it is easier to make illegal copies of the game you are investing your money in. So, You (As a producer/developer) , by default, enter a bussiness where loss is guaranteed. What do you do? You make the copying of the game as hard as possible. That’s why its so difficult to be a pc gamer nowadays.

    I gave up pc gaming long, long, long time ago. Its not about the graphics or the DLC, but the fun, a game has to offer.

  • Pac

    Alright, hee it goes:

    First of all, I am a gamer. That’s right, a damn, proud gamer. Whenever it comes to playing games, I play them. I don’t care wether I’m using a controller, or a mouse and a keyboard to do it, I just enjoy the game itself.

    I believe that the fact that pc gaming is becoming more of a chore rather than just plain fun, is a clear sign of where the industry is heading.Sure, gaming offers more when it comes to hardware and software. However, there is something no one can deny: Acces.

    Unlike pc gaming, consoles offer more opportunities in terms of expansion. It is easier for people to play on a console than on a pc plattform. More people play on a console, than they do on a pc. More money is generated through console games. Theese are facts. The gaming industry is leaded by console market, not by pc market. That’s why producers/developers make games more accessible to console users. Sure, it is cheaper to produce a game for pc, but the earnings are not as big as they do on console blockbusters. That is why games are exclusive to a system.

    Think of it as a producer:If you are making a pc game, first of all, you won’t make as much money as if you were making the same game for a console. Then, there is the fact that, (whatever the reasons are) it is easier to make illegal copies of the game you are investing your money in. So, You (As a producer/developer) , by default, enter a bussiness where loss is guaranteed. What do you do? You make the copying of the game as hard as possible. That’s why its so difficult to be a pc gamer nowadays.

    I gave up pc gaming long, long, long time ago. Its not about the graphics or the DLC, but the fun, a game has to offer.

  • preston

    why not pirate for a while if you are doing legit and end up pyriting the game anyways so you end up wasting 60 dollars on a box that does not fucking work with a game that does not work so if the game has this need to hack copy protection then dont by the game if one sides not playing fair why should you end up wasting money seend the messge that no matter what you do your going to get pirated if the people want it bad enoth its something you can not avoid that in the inderstry but what you can do for honest gamers is at least let them play what they bought i am not for stealing in any ways except when your getting stole from in the first place i mean the way you made it sound on pc you have lost probly about 200$ when you needed to steal what you bought in the first place so get your money back steal 200$ of games you don’t own get your money back make them play fair even if they do not want to

  • preston

    why not pirate for a while if you are doing legit and end up pyriting the game anyways so you end up wasting 60 dollars on a box that does not fucking work with a game that does not work so if the game has this need to hack copy protection then dont by the game if one sides not playing fair why should you end up wasting money seend the messge that no matter what you do your going to get pirated if the people want it bad enoth its something you can not avoid that in the inderstry but what you can do for honest gamers is at least let them play what they bought i am not for stealing in any ways except when your getting stole from in the first place i mean the way you made it sound on pc you have lost probly about 200$ when you needed to steal what you bought in the first place so get your money back steal 200$ of games you don’t own get your money back make them play fair even if they do not want to

  • preston

    why not pirate for a while if you are doing legit and end up pyriting the game anyways so you end up wasting 60 dollars on a box that does not fucking work with a game that does not work so if the game has this need to hack copy protection then dont by the game if one sides not playing fair why should you end up wasting money seend the messge that no matter what you do your going to get pirated if the people want it bad enoth its something you can not avoid that in the inderstry but what you can do for honest gamers is at least let them play what they bought i am not for stealing in any ways except when your getting stole from in the first place i mean the way you made it sound on pc you have lost probly about 200$ when you needed to steal what you bought in the first place so get your money back steal 200$ of games you don’t own get your money back make them play fair even if they do not want to

  • Anyone00

    I would recommend King’s Bounty: The Legend (I think it’s great); but it’s a remake and uses SecuROM (but doesn’t require online activation).

    People keep touting Steam but isn’t Steam essentially one big DRM scheme; and call me old fashion or backwards but I hate online activation for a game if I’m not going to play it online (I had to do it with Half-Life 2) and I like to have the game on a psychical medium so I can look through my collection a decade later and say ‘I could go for playing that through’ again.

    O.K. online distribution is great for smaller developers that want to self-publish.

    And in all of this there’s also the issue that game use to be made by one guy sitting behind a computer, then a team of a dozen people with a few specialist here and there, then teams of dozens with each team having specialties, and now most (note: most) games that get any press or major sales are massive productions that take hundreds of people and a crap load of cash backing it (and game environments that take more AI programing for something in the game to go from point A to point B than to be clever in the past). This goes for PC and consoles. Technology is a double edge sword; games can do thing they never could in the past but the gaming industry has become bloated.

    A hundred years from now people won’t be playing CoD: Modern Warfare, but they will still be playing chess.

  • Anyone00

    I would recommend King’s Bounty: The Legend (I think it’s great); but it’s a remake and uses SecuROM (but doesn’t require online activation).

    People keep touting Steam but isn’t Steam essentially one big DRM scheme; and call me old fashion or backwards but I hate online activation for a game if I’m not going to play it online (I had to do it with Half-Life 2) and I like to have the game on a psychical medium so I can look through my collection a decade later and say ‘I could go for playing that through’ again.

    O.K. online distribution is great for smaller developers that want to self-publish.

    And in all of this there’s also the issue that game use to be made by one guy sitting behind a computer, then a team of a dozen people with a few specialist here and there, then teams of dozens with each team having specialties, and now most (note: most) games that get any press or major sales are massive productions that take hundreds of people and a crap load of cash backing it (and game environments that take more AI programing for something in the game to go from point A to point B than to be clever in the past). This goes for PC and consoles. Technology is a double edge sword; games can do thing they never could in the past but the gaming industry has become bloated.

    A hundred years from now people won’t be playing CoD: Modern Warfare, but they will still be playing chess.

  • Anyone00

    I would recommend King’s Bounty: The Legend (I think it’s great); but it’s a remake and uses SecuROM (but doesn’t require online activation).

    People keep touting Steam but isn’t Steam essentially one big DRM scheme; and call me old fashion or backwards but I hate online activation for a game if I’m not going to play it online (I had to do it with Half-Life 2) and I like to have the game on a psychical medium so I can look through my collection a decade later and say ‘I could go for playing that through’ again.

    O.K. online distribution is great for smaller developers that want to self-publish.

    And in all of this there’s also the issue that game use to be made by one guy sitting behind a computer, then a team of a dozen people with a few specialist here and there, then teams of dozens with each team having specialties, and now most (note: most) games that get any press or major sales are massive productions that take hundreds of people and a crap load of cash backing it (and game environments that take more AI programing for something in the game to go from point A to point B than to be clever in the past). This goes for PC and consoles. Technology is a double edge sword; games can do thing they never could in the past but the gaming industry has become bloated.

    A hundred years from now people won’t be playing CoD: Modern Warfare, but they will still be playing chess.

  • Anonymous

    I stopped PC gaming a long time ago… the last PC game I bought was WC3, but yes you’re right. This copy protection is customer abuse, plain and simple.These developers need to realize that doing this isn’t going to solve the problem, but in the end only make it worse. People will pirate games to avoid the copy protection and more than that many people will do it purely out of spite, and in all honesty I can’t blame them for either reason. People who would normally go out and buy these games will start pirating them, solely because of this, and the executives are simply too stupid to realize that we’re not just going to roll over and take this like we think. People will always find ways around the copy protection, it’s as simple as that

  • Anonymous

    I stopped PC gaming a long time ago… the last PC game I bought was WC3, but yes you’re right. This copy protection is customer abuse, plain and simple.These developers need to realize that doing this isn’t going to solve the problem, but in the end only make it worse. People will pirate games to avoid the copy protection and more than that many people will do it purely out of spite, and in all honesty I can’t blame them for either reason. People who would normally go out and buy these games will start pirating them, solely because of this, and the executives are simply too stupid to realize that we’re not just going to roll over and take this like we think. People will always find ways around the copy protection, it’s as simple as that

  • Matt

    I stopped PC gaming a long time ago… the last PC game I bought was WC3, but yes you’re right. This copy protection is customer abuse, plain and simple.These developers need to realize that doing this isn’t going to solve the problem, but in the end only make it worse. People will pirate games to avoid the copy protection and more than that many people will do it purely out of spite, and in all honesty I can’t blame them for either reason. People who would normally go out and buy these games will start pirating them, solely because of this, and the executives are simply too stupid to realize that we’re not just going to roll over and take this like we think. People will always find ways around the copy protection, it’s as simple as that

  • Kakihara

    Speaking of pirating video games, I have a magnificent example. No way in hell am I paying 50 bux for Mirror’s Edge when it has a good 10 hours max of playtime and a shitty replay value.

  • Kakihara

    Speaking of pirating video games, I have a magnificent example. No way in hell am I paying 50 bux for Mirror’s Edge when it has a good 10 hours max of playtime and a shitty replay value.

  • Kakihara

    Speaking of pirating video games, I have a magnificent example. No way in hell am I paying 50 bux for Mirror’s Edge when it has a good 10 hours max of playtime and a shitty replay value.

  • abbreviated

    Here Here! I miss PC gaming… I can’t even remember the last PC game I played…

  • abbreviated

    Here Here! I miss PC gaming… I can’t even remember the last PC game I played…

  • abbreviated

    Here Here! I miss PC gaming… I can’t even remember the last PC game I played…

  • foo

    Targ Collective: “Perhaps Spoony should do some more research.”

    see

    Spoony: “Do I really have to research all my future game purchases to see if it’s got DRM software now?”

    The whole oh-by-the-way, go hunt down this or that from the internet or developer’s sites is not a real solution. The games are released broken, and in the DRM case, quasi-intentionally.

  • foo

    Targ Collective: “Perhaps Spoony should do some more research.”

    see

    Spoony: “Do I really have to research all my future game purchases to see if it’s got DRM software now?”

    The whole oh-by-the-way, go hunt down this or that from the internet or developer’s sites is not a real solution. The games are released broken, and in the DRM case, quasi-intentionally.

  • foo

    Targ Collective: “Perhaps Spoony should do some more research.”

    see

    Spoony: “Do I really have to research all my future game purchases to see if it’s got DRM software now?”

    The whole oh-by-the-way, go hunt down this or that from the internet or developer’s sites is not a real solution. The games are released broken, and in the DRM case, quasi-intentionally.

  • Anonymous

    I know I’m practically alone in this but I actually miss the old point-and-click adventures like Gabriel Knight. I always enjoyed those

  • Anonymous

    I know I’m practically alone in this but I actually miss the old point-and-click adventures like Gabriel Knight. I always enjoyed those

  • Matt

    I know I’m practically alone in this but I actually miss the old point-and-click adventures like Gabriel Knight. I always enjoyed those

  • Mikey

    @Kakihara – solution: Don’t play Mirror’s Edge then, seeing as you obviously think it’s not worth buying. Problem solved.

  • Mikey

    @Kakihara – solution: Don’t play Mirror’s Edge then, seeing as you obviously think it’s not worth buying. Problem solved.

  • VR

    Completely, 100% agree with you Spoony.

  • VR

    Completely, 100% agree with you Spoony.

  • VR

    Completely, 100% agree with you Spoony.

  • Kakihara

    @Matt: It’s worth playing, I’m just not going to pay 50 USD for a game that’s worth 20. That’s why I’d rather just torrent it instead.

  • Kakihara

    @Matt: It’s worth playing, I’m just not going to pay 50 USD for a game that’s worth 20. That’s why I’d rather just torrent it instead.

  • Kakihara

    @Matt: It’s worth playing, I’m just not going to pay 50 USD for a game that’s worth 20. That’s why I’d rather just torrent it instead.

  • Chris*

    Maybe that new onlive is the way to go. Stop having to pay for the games and pay for the download rights. However, all in all having to go through the maze of puzzles new games and copy-right protection that is being created is ridiculous. When I think video game or computer game, the only time research gets involved is when the last boss is teh bullshit.

  • Chris*

    Maybe that new onlive is the way to go. Stop having to pay for the games and pay for the download rights. However, all in all having to go through the maze of puzzles new games and copy-right protection that is being created is ridiculous. When I think video game or computer game, the only time research gets involved is when the last boss is teh bullshit.

  • Chris*

    Maybe that new onlive is the way to go. Stop having to pay for the games and pay for the download rights. However, all in all having to go through the maze of puzzles new games and copy-right protection that is being created is ridiculous. When I think video game or computer game, the only time research gets involved is when the last boss is teh bullshit.

  • chemical imbalance

    I’ll be the first to admit that i don’t know much about computers, but even still i was DEAD loyal to PC gaming right up until a few months ago (i’m 24 now). at that point i had just simply become FED UP with the very things that you just described, and i just said “to hell with it” and bought an xbox 360. the only thing i miss is the keyboard/mouse configuration that came along with PC gaming cuz let’s face it – joysticks kinda suck for FPS. but its very important to me that the games i purchase actually work, and this is something that a console can do for me — which sadly is more than i can say for my PC. I feel like you have to have a really sophisticated techinical knowledge of how computers operate in order to get a damn game running… like wtf, i’m no programmer! i’ve finally turned my back on the PC gaming experience after all these years.

  • chemical imbalance

    I’ll be the first to admit that i don’t know much about computers, but even still i was DEAD loyal to PC gaming right up until a few months ago (i’m 24 now). at that point i had just simply become FED UP with the very things that you just described, and i just said “to hell with it” and bought an xbox 360. the only thing i miss is the keyboard/mouse configuration that came along with PC gaming cuz let’s face it – joysticks kinda suck for FPS. but its very important to me that the games i purchase actually work, and this is something that a console can do for me — which sadly is more than i can say for my PC. I feel like you have to have a really sophisticated techinical knowledge of how computers operate in order to get a damn game running… like wtf, i’m no programmer! i’ve finally turned my back on the PC gaming experience after all these years.

  • chemical imbalance

    I’ll be the first to admit that i don’t know much about computers, but even still i was DEAD loyal to PC gaming right up until a few months ago (i’m 24 now). at that point i had just simply become FED UP with the very things that you just described, and i just said “to hell with it” and bought an xbox 360. the only thing i miss is the keyboard/mouse configuration that came along with PC gaming cuz let’s face it – joysticks kinda suck for FPS. but its very important to me that the games i purchase actually work, and this is something that a console can do for me — which sadly is more than i can say for my PC. I feel like you have to have a really sophisticated techinical knowledge of how computers operate in order to get a damn game running… like wtf, i’m no programmer! i’ve finally turned my back on the PC gaming experience after all these years.

  • Mat

    This is for chemical imbalance some consoles like the ps3 can have a mouse and keyboard.U can play red alert 3 like on a PC.That almost meanes the consoles have almost won,and i am sorry to say that because i like my PC better

  • Mat

    This is for chemical imbalance some consoles like the ps3 can have a mouse and keyboard.U can play red alert 3 like on a PC.That almost meanes the consoles have almost won,and i am sorry to say that because i like my PC better

  • Mat

    This is for chemical imbalance some consoles like the ps3 can have a mouse and keyboard.U can play red alert 3 like on a PC.That almost meanes the consoles have almost won,and i am sorry to say that because i like my PC better

  • Subi

    I don’t like two things –
    1) DRM:s
    2) Internet celebrities indirectly promoting piracy

    We all know and love Spoony’s work with videogame reviews. But Spoony should be an example for gamers, not just another person justifying piracy. Illegal downloading is killing PC-gaming. Look at the Stardock’s (game publisher without those nasty DRM’s) and their game Demigod: 90 % of the users online were pirates, who clogged down their servers, what in turn lead to a bad score from Gamespot. DRM:s or digital distribution like Steam seem to be necessary at this time of fast Internet connections.

  • Subi

    I don’t like two things –
    1) DRM:s
    2) Internet celebrities indirectly promoting piracy

    We all know and love Spoony’s work with videogame reviews. But Spoony should be an example for gamers, not just another person justifying piracy. Illegal downloading is killing PC-gaming. Look at the Stardock’s (game publisher without those nasty DRM’s) and their game Demigod: 90 % of the users online were pirates, who clogged down their servers, what in turn lead to a bad score from Gamespot. DRM:s or digital distribution like Steam seem to be necessary at this time of fast Internet connections.

  • Subi

    I don’t like two things –
    1) DRM:s
    2) Internet celebrities indirectly promoting piracy

    We all know and love Spoony’s work with videogame reviews. But Spoony should be an example for gamers, not just another person justifying piracy. Illegal downloading is killing PC-gaming. Look at the Stardock’s (game publisher without those nasty DRM’s) and their game Demigod: 90 % of the users online were pirates, who clogged down their servers, what in turn lead to a bad score from Gamespot. DRM:s or digital distribution like Steam seem to be necessary at this time of fast Internet connections.

  • Anonymous

    @Superslash2 Yeah, I do agree with you that the volume makes a huge difference between pirating then and pirating now. It’s the big weak spot in my arguement.

    At the same time, however, I find it difficult to believe that pirating took such a huge upswing just because pirating became more convenient. Can anyone prove that people were more likely to pirate games and music just because they could?

    Pirating old NES games is significantly easier and cheaper than the Wii’s Virtual Console. Yet, that hasn’t collapsed from lack of sales.

    It’s the presumption of guilt that annoys me. What kind of copy-enforcement could you have that didn’t involve that kind of assumption?

  • Anonymous

    @Superslash2 Yeah, I do agree with you that the volume makes a huge difference between pirating then and pirating now. It’s the big weak spot in my arguement.

    At the same time, however, I find it difficult to believe that pirating took such a huge upswing just because pirating became more convenient. Can anyone prove that people were more likely to pirate games and music just because they could?

    Pirating old NES games is significantly easier and cheaper than the Wii’s Virtual Console. Yet, that hasn’t collapsed from lack of sales.

    It’s the presumption of guilt that annoys me. What kind of copy-enforcement could you have that didn’t involve that kind of assumption?

  • mflorian

    @Superslash2 Yeah, I do agree with you that the volume makes a huge difference between pirating then and pirating now. It’s the big weak spot in my arguement.

    At the same time, however, I find it difficult to believe that pirating took such a huge upswing just because pirating became more convenient. Can anyone prove that people were more likely to pirate games and music just because they could?

    Pirating old NES games is significantly easier and cheaper than the Wii’s Virtual Console. Yet, that hasn’t collapsed from lack of sales.

    It’s the presumption of guilt that annoys me. What kind of copy-enforcement could you have that didn’t involve that kind of assumption?

  • samuli

    i bought spore too. ididnt hear about it until about half year before release i didnt know about that secuROM thing when i installed it.
    and the game…well it wasnt really that great as i tought it would have been.

  • samuli

    i bought spore too. ididnt hear about it until about half year before release i didnt know about that secuROM thing when i installed it.
    and the game…well it wasnt really that great as i tought it would have been.

  • samuli

    i bought spore too. ididnt hear about it until about half year before release i didnt know about that secuROM thing when i installed it.
    and the game…well it wasnt really that great as i tought it would have been.

  • dudejo

    by default, the games tend not to work at all.

    when they DO, the games aren’t good enough.

    i don’t even own the latest consoles and i don’t feel like i’m missing anything worthwhile. plus, none of the current PC games encourage me to upgrade from my aging Geforce 4.

  • dudejo

    by default, the games tend not to work at all.

    when they DO, the games aren’t good enough.

    i don’t even own the latest consoles and i don’t feel like i’m missing anything worthwhile. plus, none of the current PC games encourage me to upgrade from my aging Geforce 4.

  • dudejo

    by default, the games tend not to work at all.

    when they DO, the games aren’t good enough.

    i don’t even own the latest consoles and i don’t feel like i’m missing anything worthwhile. plus, none of the current PC games encourage me to upgrade from my aging Geforce 4.

  • Bubba23

    PC gaming is in a crisis. There are still some potentially great games out there but they always seem to be ruined by glitches and crashes, poor optimization, or draconian DRM schemes. Game companies need to start facing facts that their customers are pissed off and need to concentrate on winning them back, because they are doing now ISN’T WORKING.

    That’s what I love about my DS, just pop in the game, play, and no BS.

  • Bubba23

    PC gaming is in a crisis. There are still some potentially great games out there but they always seem to be ruined by glitches and crashes, poor optimization, or draconian DRM schemes. Game companies need to start facing facts that their customers are pissed off and need to concentrate on winning them back, because they are doing now ISN’T WORKING.

    That’s what I love about my DS, just pop in the game, play, and no BS.

  • Bubba23

    PC gaming is in a crisis. There are still some potentially great games out there but they always seem to be ruined by glitches and crashes, poor optimization, or draconian DRM schemes. Game companies need to start facing facts that their customers are pissed off and need to concentrate on winning them back, because they are doing now ISN’T WORKING.

    That’s what I love about my DS, just pop in the game, play, and no BS.

  • Masticina Akicta

    I agree why buy pc games? I mean you get rootkits, DRM, all kinds of nasty troubles when your drivers are wonky and lets not start that the “game os” windows has grown really really bloaty.

    Now PC still wins the image quality mark but the rest.. it is dimishing! As you point out to fight against the “evil pirates” they are penalizing actual paying consumers! And yes the crack for the game is out within the day anyway.

    I do use no cd patches for my legal bought games, because guess what.. yes anti copy protection is in the way!

  • Masticina Akicta

    I agree why buy pc games? I mean you get rootkits, DRM, all kinds of nasty troubles when your drivers are wonky and lets not start that the “game os” windows has grown really really bloaty.

    Now PC still wins the image quality mark but the rest.. it is dimishing! As you point out to fight against the “evil pirates” they are penalizing actual paying consumers! And yes the crack for the game is out within the day anyway.

    I do use no cd patches for my legal bought games, because guess what.. yes anti copy protection is in the way!

  • Masticina Akicta

    I agree why buy pc games? I mean you get rootkits, DRM, all kinds of nasty troubles when your drivers are wonky and lets not start that the “game os” windows has grown really really bloaty.

    Now PC still wins the image quality mark but the rest.. it is dimishing! As you point out to fight against the “evil pirates” they are penalizing actual paying consumers! And yes the crack for the game is out within the day anyway.

    I do use no cd patches for my legal bought games, because guess what.. yes anti copy protection is in the way!

  • seth45er

    EA is the only people i pirate off
    they have never made a good game ever they only swallow whole other companys to do it like the borg

    most other games with DRM and that scurom stuff i do as the guy from penny arcade does i buy it then i pirate it so i go with out the scuRom whatever it is nonsence

    besides you cant stop pirates with counter measures like DRM stuff its just another challenge to those types
    the only real way i can see is to make it not worth their time to pirate it this can be done by selling them cheap

    any ways i know of this the gamers bill of rights writen up by the good folks at stardock its worth looking at any ways

    The Revised Gamer’s Bill Of Rights (interim)

    1. Gamers shall have the right to return games that are incompatible or do not function at a reasonable level of performance for a full refund within a reasonable amount of time.
    2. Gamers shall have the right that games they purchase shall function as designed without defects that would materially affect the player experience.
    3. Gamers shall have the right that games will receive updates that address minor defects as well as improves gameplay based on player feed back within reason.
    4. Gamers shall have the right to have their games not require a third – party download manager installed in order for the game to function.
    5. Gamers shall have the right to have their games perform adequately if their hardware meets the poste d recommended requirements.
    6. Gamers shall have the right not to have any of their games install hidden drivers.
    7. Gamers shall have the right to re – download the latest version of the games they purchase.
    8. Gamers whose computers meet the posted minimum requirements shall have the right to use their games without being materially inconvenienced due to copy protection or digital rights management.
    9. Gamers shall have the right to play single player games without having to have an Internet connection.
    10. Gamers shall have the right to sell or transfer the ownership of a physical copy of a game they own to another person.

  • seth45er

    EA is the only people i pirate off
    they have never made a good game ever they only swallow whole other companys to do it like the borg

    most other games with DRM and that scurom stuff i do as the guy from penny arcade does i buy it then i pirate it so i go with out the scuRom whatever it is nonsence

    besides you cant stop pirates with counter measures like DRM stuff its just another challenge to those types
    the only real way i can see is to make it not worth their time to pirate it this can be done by selling them cheap

    any ways i know of this the gamers bill of rights writen up by the good folks at stardock its worth looking at any ways

    The Revised Gamer’s Bill Of Rights (interim)

    1. Gamers shall have the right to return games that are incompatible or do not function at a reasonable level of performance for a full refund within a reasonable amount of time.
    2. Gamers shall have the right that games they purchase shall function as designed without defects that would materially affect the player experience.
    3. Gamers shall have the right that games will receive updates that address minor defects as well as improves gameplay based on player feed back within reason.
    4. Gamers shall have the right to have their games not require a third – party download manager installed in order for the game to function.
    5. Gamers shall have the right to have their games perform adequately if their hardware meets the poste d recommended requirements.
    6. Gamers shall have the right not to have any of their games install hidden drivers.
    7. Gamers shall have the right to re – download the latest version of the games they purchase.
    8. Gamers whose computers meet the posted minimum requirements shall have the right to use their games without being materially inconvenienced due to copy protection or digital rights management.
    9. Gamers shall have the right to play single player games without having to have an Internet connection.
    10. Gamers shall have the right to sell or transfer the ownership of a physical copy of a game they own to another person.

  • seth45er

    EA is the only people i pirate off
    they have never made a good game ever they only swallow whole other companys to do it like the borg

    most other games with DRM and that scurom stuff i do as the guy from penny arcade does i buy it then i pirate it so i go with out the scuRom whatever it is nonsence

    besides you cant stop pirates with counter measures like DRM stuff its just another challenge to those types
    the only real way i can see is to make it not worth their time to pirate it this can be done by selling them cheap

    any ways i know of this the gamers bill of rights writen up by the good folks at stardock its worth looking at any ways

    The Revised Gamer’s Bill Of Rights (interim)

    1. Gamers shall have the right to return games that are incompatible or do not function at a reasonable level of performance for a full refund within a reasonable amount of time.
    2. Gamers shall have the right that games they purchase shall function as designed without defects that would materially affect the player experience.
    3. Gamers shall have the right that games will receive updates that address minor defects as well as improves gameplay based on player feed back within reason.
    4. Gamers shall have the right to have their games not require a third – party download manager installed in order for the game to function.
    5. Gamers shall have the right to have their games perform adequately if their hardware meets the poste d recommended requirements.
    6. Gamers shall have the right not to have any of their games install hidden drivers.
    7. Gamers shall have the right to re – download the latest version of the games they purchase.
    8. Gamers whose computers meet the posted minimum requirements shall have the right to use their games without being materially inconvenienced due to copy protection or digital rights management.
    9. Gamers shall have the right to play single player games without having to have an Internet connection.
    10. Gamers shall have the right to sell or transfer the ownership of a physical copy of a game they own to another person.

  • dasilva

    I think with the DRM. People are pointed out why they are putting copy protection on their games when the vast majority of people who actually pirate the games are not going to buy the product anyway if there was no pirated version available. Although people may argue that piracy is immoral, it doesn’t really affect sales to a large degree. You can make a good argument that it may actually decrease sales as it punishes gamers who normally buy software.

    However I think perhaps the company isn’t targeting piracy with DRM and limited installation. PErhaps they are targeting 2nd hand video game sales. Once you have limited installation it’s very unlikely video gamers are going to sell the game and video game stores to buy the game of them as there’s a chance that the program is already reached max installation (your very mush relying on the good will of the original owner to uninstall and deregister the game) and the people who buy a DRM second hand game won’t be able to play it.

    2nd hand gamers are much more likely to buy software then pirates and for every gamer who buy the game 2nd hand is a lost sale to the company. If gamer can’t get the game 2nd hand, then they are likely to buy the full product.

  • dasilva

    I think with the DRM. People are pointed out why they are putting copy protection on their games when the vast majority of people who actually pirate the games are not going to buy the product anyway if there was no pirated version available. Although people may argue that piracy is immoral, it doesn’t really affect sales to a large degree. You can make a good argument that it may actually decrease sales as it punishes gamers who normally buy software.

    However I think perhaps the company isn’t targeting piracy with DRM and limited installation. PErhaps they are targeting 2nd hand video game sales. Once you have limited installation it’s very unlikely video gamers are going to sell the game and video game stores to buy the game of them as there’s a chance that the program is already reached max installation (your very mush relying on the good will of the original owner to uninstall and deregister the game) and the people who buy a DRM second hand game won’t be able to play it.

    2nd hand gamers are much more likely to buy software then pirates and for every gamer who buy the game 2nd hand is a lost sale to the company. If gamer can’t get the game 2nd hand, then they are likely to buy the full product.

  • dasilva

    I think with the DRM. People are pointed out why they are putting copy protection on their games when the vast majority of people who actually pirate the games are not going to buy the product anyway if there was no pirated version available. Although people may argue that piracy is immoral, it doesn’t really affect sales to a large degree. You can make a good argument that it may actually decrease sales as it punishes gamers who normally buy software.

    However I think perhaps the company isn’t targeting piracy with DRM and limited installation. PErhaps they are targeting 2nd hand video game sales. Once you have limited installation it’s very unlikely video gamers are going to sell the game and video game stores to buy the game of them as there’s a chance that the program is already reached max installation (your very mush relying on the good will of the original owner to uninstall and deregister the game) and the people who buy a DRM second hand game won’t be able to play it.

    2nd hand gamers are much more likely to buy software then pirates and for every gamer who buy the game 2nd hand is a lost sale to the company. If gamer can’t get the game 2nd hand, then they are likely to buy the full product.

  • Lord Tirion

    “However I think perhaps the company isn’t targeting piracy with DRM and limited installation. PErhaps they are targeting 2nd hand video game sales.

    2nd hand gamers are much more likely to buy software then pirates and for every gamer who buy the game 2nd hand is a lost sale to the company. If gamer can’t get the game 2nd hand, then they are likely to buy the full product.”

    If that’s true, then sorry for not having the money to buy it new, if I can’t buy it 2nd Hand I’m not going to buy it new, im going to download it.

  • Lord Tirion

    “However I think perhaps the company isn’t targeting piracy with DRM and limited installation. PErhaps they are targeting 2nd hand video game sales.

    2nd hand gamers are much more likely to buy software then pirates and for every gamer who buy the game 2nd hand is a lost sale to the company. If gamer can’t get the game 2nd hand, then they are likely to buy the full product.”

    If that’s true, then sorry for not having the money to buy it new, if I can’t buy it 2nd Hand I’m not going to buy it new, im going to download it.

  • Lord Tirion

    “However I think perhaps the company isn’t targeting piracy with DRM and limited installation. PErhaps they are targeting 2nd hand video game sales.

    2nd hand gamers are much more likely to buy software then pirates and for every gamer who buy the game 2nd hand is a lost sale to the company. If gamer can’t get the game 2nd hand, then they are likely to buy the full product.”

    If that’s true, then sorry for not having the money to buy it new, if I can’t buy it 2nd Hand I’m not going to buy it new, im going to download it.

  • e altar

    i completely agree to the bill of rights

    i am proud to own X3 terran conflict, altho i did not pay it a lot, i tent to die a the tutorial, just not used to the controls
    but i did not have any problems at the intalation

    here is one for you i have dark messiah of might and magic
    the multiplayer works with steam
    it was a long time ago so provided i ever have the proof of purchase, the ink must have faded
    i don’t remeber my password
    and the e mail of my acount doesn’t exist anymore
    ther is no way in the universe that i can ever play that game in multiplayer

    how that for anoying

  • e altar

    i completely agree to the bill of rights

    i am proud to own X3 terran conflict, altho i did not pay it a lot, i tent to die a the tutorial, just not used to the controls
    but i did not have any problems at the intalation

    here is one for you i have dark messiah of might and magic
    the multiplayer works with steam
    it was a long time ago so provided i ever have the proof of purchase, the ink must have faded
    i don’t remeber my password
    and the e mail of my acount doesn’t exist anymore
    ther is no way in the universe that i can ever play that game in multiplayer

    how that for anoying

  • e altar

    i completely agree to the bill of rights

    i am proud to own X3 terran conflict, altho i did not pay it a lot, i tent to die a the tutorial, just not used to the controls
    but i did not have any problems at the intalation

    here is one for you i have dark messiah of might and magic
    the multiplayer works with steam
    it was a long time ago so provided i ever have the proof of purchase, the ink must have faded
    i don’t remeber my password
    and the e mail of my acount doesn’t exist anymore
    ther is no way in the universe that i can ever play that game in multiplayer

    how that for anoying

  • IAmTheRad

    Don’t worry, egosoft will be removing the TAGES protection from X3TC. It’s NOT as invasive as some other DRMs, since once you activate it, the protection is transparent. They’re just waiting a little to remove it (to help prevent pirates). It’s not nearly as bad as securom, since it just lets you play the game after it activates it. After that it doesn’t stay resident at all.

    So, don’t worry about the TAGES on X3TC. It’s not at all like securom.

  • IAmTheRad

    Don’t worry, egosoft will be removing the TAGES protection from X3TC. It’s NOT as invasive as some other DRMs, since once you activate it, the protection is transparent. They’re just waiting a little to remove it (to help prevent pirates). It’s not nearly as bad as securom, since it just lets you play the game after it activates it. After that it doesn’t stay resident at all.

    So, don’t worry about the TAGES on X3TC. It’s not at all like securom.

  • IAmTheRad

    Don’t worry, egosoft will be removing the TAGES protection from X3TC. It’s NOT as invasive as some other DRMs, since once you activate it, the protection is transparent. They’re just waiting a little to remove it (to help prevent pirates). It’s not nearly as bad as securom, since it just lets you play the game after it activates it. After that it doesn’t stay resident at all.

    So, don’t worry about the TAGES on X3TC. It’s not at all like securom.

  • Barman

    e altar, I can’t see how you forgetting your password is a fault of Steam. Steam isn’t responsible for you remembering your passwords or making sure you keep your email account associated with it open. I’ve been using Steam for years, and I love it. Regular updates, plenty of titles to choose from, and I can access them from any computer and not have to worry about any 3 installs crap. As Gabe Newell says, the best way to protect your game from being pirated, is to a. actually make a GOOD GAME, and b. be community friendly.

  • Barman

    e altar, I can’t see how you forgetting your password is a fault of Steam. Steam isn’t responsible for you remembering your passwords or making sure you keep your email account associated with it open. I’ve been using Steam for years, and I love it. Regular updates, plenty of titles to choose from, and I can access them from any computer and not have to worry about any 3 installs crap. As Gabe Newell says, the best way to protect your game from being pirated, is to a. actually make a GOOD GAME, and b. be community friendly.

  • NucleaRaptor

    Wow,I did not expect this place to be so infested with law-abiding copyrasts. The only reason I buy all of my games is because I’m an obsessive-compulsive collector. If you want to pirate the game,do it,who the fuck cares? If you like it,you can always buy it later. If you hate it,nothing of value was lost. The developers lost a sale on you,but that’ll teach them how to make shitty games and expect people to pay full price for it.

    Relevant pasta (Bioshock-related):
    http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/6069/1188237128609.png
    http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/7573/1188056943788.jpg

  • NucleaRaptor

    Wow,I did not expect this place to be so infested with law-abiding copyrasts. The only reason I buy all of my games is because I’m an obsessive-compulsive collector. If you want to pirate the game,do it,who the fuck cares? If you like it,you can always buy it later. If you hate it,nothing of value was lost. The developers lost a sale on you,but that’ll teach them how to make shitty games and expect people to pay full price for it.

    Relevant pasta (Bioshock-related):
    http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/6069/1188237128609.png
    http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/7573/1188056943788.jpg

  • Moonrunner

    Two things i want to say about DRM, 1: There’s a good publiser who puts no security defences in their games so they have lowwer hardware problems, sadly they are called stardock and their games aren’t my sort of games. 2: SecuRom is now a sponser for a company promoting PC’s as a games system, just noting the fact that they have make the company promting PC’s as a joke. DRM has only helped make PC’s less gaming focused, making pirates have a better and easyer time than official buyers, like spore (take the hint gaming world!) The only DRM i can say is good is steam’s DRM system, becuase it doesn’t block your games and blocks piraters (unless they hack it to not use steam) with no loss of game due to hardware diffrences.

  • Moonrunner

    Two things i want to say about DRM, 1: There’s a good publiser who puts no security defences in their games so they have lowwer hardware problems, sadly they are called stardock and their games aren’t my sort of games. 2: SecuRom is now a sponser for a company promoting PC’s as a games system, just noting the fact that they have make the company promting PC’s as a joke. DRM has only helped make PC’s less gaming focused, making pirates have a better and easyer time than official buyers, like spore (take the hint gaming world!) The only DRM i can say is good is steam’s DRM system, becuase it doesn’t block your games and blocks piraters (unless they hack it to not use steam) with no loss of game due to hardware diffrences.

  • e altar

    good game ….. ha no recent valve game is good (counting half lif 2) and to use a quote, i pity the fool who think other wise
    any way i’m not saying that it is their fault
    i’m just saying that i can’t play the game because i can’t use that cd key with my new acount, and that is bull shit

    but yes i do agree in principle if there were more good game there would be less pirates
    mostly because a lot of game are a 4 hour waist of time (half life 2 anyone), so if the game were better and lasted longer
    people would be more happy to buy them

    you know what i would wish for the next games i would like an mmorpg were i can play on an open world (like wow, Ro, lineage2) but that i don’t have to pay every month, and most importantly were every quest isn’t just an other
    slave simulator or erand boy simulator

  • e altar

    good game ….. ha no recent valve game is good (counting half lif 2) and to use a quote, i pity the fool who think other wise
    any way i’m not saying that it is their fault
    i’m just saying that i can’t play the game because i can’t use that cd key with my new acount, and that is bull shit

    but yes i do agree in principle if there were more good game there would be less pirates
    mostly because a lot of game are a 4 hour waist of time (half life 2 anyone), so if the game were better and lasted longer
    people would be more happy to buy them

    you know what i would wish for the next games i would like an mmorpg were i can play on an open world (like wow, Ro, lineage2) but that i don’t have to pay every month, and most importantly were every quest isn’t just an other
    slave simulator or erand boy simulator

  • Sir_Carion

    I TOTALLY agree with you. I’ve been a PC gamer for years. Ever since I took a stroll through the Kings Quest and Police Quest series and so on. I still believe that my PC is my true gaming system, but you’re right. It’s just so much easier to be a console gamer nowadays. Simply because of the incontestabilities, and the stupid, snot-eating, shit-gargling, asshole-munching idiocy that is DRM. I pay for my games, so why the hell am I punished for buying games legally? I FUCKING PAID FOR THE DAMN THING!!! Intellectual property be damned, once money changes hands, that shit becomes MY FUCKING PROPERTY!!! That’s the reason why I stopped using iTunes. They limited the amount of places I could put the songs that I had purchased. I bought it, it’s mine! I’m all for artists getting paid for the work that they do, but why in god’s name do I have to buy a song more than once just because I want to put it on my laptop, desktop, work desktop, and iPod? I know that iTunes as since removed their DRM, but they lost me as a customer long before that.

    Anyway, back on topic. There have been several computer games that I have bought, and due to the DRM on them, my computer saw them as viruses, and would not allow me to install them. Now, since the invention of CD/DVD burners, stores have taken to a policy of if the seal of the game is broken, it can’t be returned. I remember when I could return any game, even if it was for the simple fact of I didn’t like it. now I’m punished for buying a game that I don’t like, or the controls are funny, or I can’t even install the damn thing. What sense does that make?

    Okay, rant over. Sorry for the language, but this shit just pisses me off.

  • Sir_Carion

    I TOTALLY agree with you. I’ve been a PC gamer for years. Ever since I took a stroll through the Kings Quest and Police Quest series and so on. I still believe that my PC is my true gaming system, but you’re right. It’s just so much easier to be a console gamer nowadays. Simply because of the incontestabilities, and the stupid, snot-eating, shit-gargling, asshole-munching idiocy that is DRM. I pay for my games, so why the hell am I punished for buying games legally? I FUCKING PAID FOR THE DAMN THING!!! Intellectual property be damned, once money changes hands, that shit becomes MY FUCKING PROPERTY!!! That’s the reason why I stopped using iTunes. They limited the amount of places I could put the songs that I had purchased. I bought it, it’s mine! I’m all for artists getting paid for the work that they do, but why in god’s name do I have to buy a song more than once just because I want to put it on my laptop, desktop, work desktop, and iPod? I know that iTunes as since removed their DRM, but they lost me as a customer long before that.

    Anyway, back on topic. There have been several computer games that I have bought, and due to the DRM on them, my computer saw them as viruses, and would not allow me to install them. Now, since the invention of CD/DVD burners, stores have taken to a policy of if the seal of the game is broken, it can’t be returned. I remember when I could return any game, even if it was for the simple fact of I didn’t like it. now I’m punished for buying a game that I don’t like, or the controls are funny, or I can’t even install the damn thing. What sense does that make?

    Okay, rant over. Sorry for the language, but this shit just pisses me off.

  • http://orinbishop.blogspot.com/ Orin

    Yeah, PC gaming certainly isn’t what it used to be. I’ve got a Mac though, so I’ve got to dual boot it in XP to get any games to run. I’ve also got a Wii, which sees about one good title a year. Is it kind of sad when my best gaming system by far is my iPod touch?…

  • http://orinbishop.blogspot.com Orin

    Yeah, PC gaming certainly isn’t what it used to be. I’ve got a Mac though, so I’ve got to dual boot it in XP to get any games to run. I’ve also got a Wii, which sees about one good title a year. Is it kind of sad when my best gaming system by far is my iPod touch?…

  • mightysamurai

    Normally I scoff at people who complain about gaming features that bug them and *demand* that their games do or not do certain things. In my experience these people usually have no idea what they’re talking about and the game companies have perfectly legitimate reasons (such as technological limitations) for not including certain features or including stuff that gamers find annoying.

    That said, I have to agree totally with this. Literally forcing PC gamers to resort to illegal means to play their own games due to excessive copy-protection defeats the entire purpose of copy-protection in the first place. Outside of Myst and Riven, I’ve never been a PC gamer and have always favored consoles. However, I’m no console fanboy and for a while now I’ve been thinking about giving PC gaming a try. But this post convinced me that it just isn’t worth it. Which in itself serves as further proof of everything Spoony has written. If PC games are driving away potential customers with their oppressive web of copy-protection, how useful can that copy-protection really be?

  • mightysamurai

    Normally I scoff at people who complain about gaming features that bug them and *demand* that their games do or not do certain things. In my experience these people usually have no idea what they’re talking about and the game companies have perfectly legitimate reasons (such as technological limitations) for not including certain features or including stuff that gamers find annoying.

    That said, I have to agree totally with this. Literally forcing PC gamers to resort to illegal means to play their own games due to excessive copy-protection defeats the entire purpose of copy-protection in the first place. Outside of Myst and Riven, I’ve never been a PC gamer and have always favored consoles. However, I’m no console fanboy and for a while now I’ve been thinking about giving PC gaming a try. But this post convinced me that it just isn’t worth it. Which in itself serves as further proof of everything Spoony has written. If PC games are driving away potential customers with their oppressive web of copy-protection, how useful can that copy-protection really be?

  • http://dukeofdorks.blogspot.com/ johnnyfog

    They just busted the Pirate’s Bay guy. Is this going to have a fear effect on the other torrent sites? Hmm….

  • http://dukeofdorks.blogspot.com/ johnnyfog

    They just busted the Pirate’s Bay guy. Is this going to have a fear effect on the other torrent sites? Hmm….

  • NmKD

    Kinda same problem here but with BF2 Armored Fury… Their online copy protection is so lame and untrustable thta i had to crack the piece of shit to make it work!

  • NmKD

    Kinda same problem here but with BF2 Armored Fury… Their online copy protection is so lame and untrustable thta i had to crack the piece of shit to make it work!

  • joeblow

    It’s a no-win situation when it comes to the future of non-MMO PC games. We all complain about the draconian copy protection, but if anyone’s heard the recent news on Demigod, it’s a case in point for copy protection. PC gamers complain and complain about securom and other shit, but then go and pirate the hell out of “clean” games. If you guys (and I say you guys because the current hardware demands, coupled with an almost complete lack of quality control, have driven me away from modern computer games) continue to do this, then developers certainly should get out of the PC gaming business and move to consoles.

    Here’s the bad news on Demigod:
    http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/demigod-crippled-by-over-100-000-pirates

  • joeblow

    It’s a no-win situation when it comes to the future of non-MMO PC games. We all complain about the draconian copy protection, but if anyone’s heard the recent news on Demigod, it’s a case in point for copy protection. PC gamers complain and complain about securom and other shit, but then go and pirate the hell out of “clean” games. If you guys (and I say you guys because the current hardware demands, coupled with an almost complete lack of quality control, have driven me away from modern computer games) continue to do this, then developers certainly should get out of the PC gaming business and move to consoles.

    Here’s the bad news on Demigod:
    http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/demigod-crippled-by-over-100-000-pirates

  • Superslash2

    I don’t understand point 4) from that Bill Of Rights For Gamers – you shouldn’t have to install a 3rd Party Download Manager to make a game work properly. Why is this a bad thing?

    Sorry for not getting it. I just never had to do that for any of the games I play so I have no experience. Does it do something to the game?

  • Superslash2

    I don’t understand point 4) from that Bill Of Rights For Gamers – you shouldn’t have to install a 3rd Party Download Manager to make a game work properly. Why is this a bad thing?

    Sorry for not getting it. I just never had to do that for any of the games I play so I have no experience. Does it do something to the game?

  • timep

    my worst-case scenario fear is that everything will be a sign-in over the internet service (like steam) and all the games will be run in a cloud situation. so you don’t need any hardware to play, just a viable internet connection. and this isnt just for pc games, it’ll be consoles too, the only difference in consoles will be which games the manufacturer paid more to have as an exclusive. it’ll be proposed as the solution to piracy, but will in fact further reinforce that everything you pay for is no more than a rental that you have no control over.

  • timep

    my worst-case scenario fear is that everything will be a sign-in over the internet service (like steam) and all the games will be run in a cloud situation. so you don’t need any hardware to play, just a viable internet connection. and this isnt just for pc games, it’ll be consoles too, the only difference in consoles will be which games the manufacturer paid more to have as an exclusive. it’ll be proposed as the solution to piracy, but will in fact further reinforce that everything you pay for is no more than a rental that you have no control over.

  • joeblow

    That settles it. The only solution is to invent a time machine, and continually relive the years 1983 – 2001.

    Now, the only question is can things change without there being a paradox? We can get new games without the threat of piracy, because the technology to make it widespread would never be invested, but we can only do that if chaos theory and the butterfly effect are able to trump the “Whatever happened, happened” theory. Hmm…

  • joeblow

    That settles it. The only solution is to invent a time machine, and continually relive the years 1983 – 2001.

    Now, the only question is can things change without there being a paradox? We can get new games without the threat of piracy, because the technology to make it widespread would never be invested, but we can only do that if chaos theory and the butterfly effect are able to trump the “Whatever happened, happened” theory. Hmm…

  • http://masterhand.blip.tv/ MasterHand

    And of course what’s worse is that half the time it still fails the security test even when you install it andgo through the steps. I had the fortune of watching another person go through that crap.

  • http://masterhand.blip.tv MasterHand

    And of course what’s worse is that half the time it still fails the security test even when you install it andgo through the steps. I had the fortune of watching another person go through that crap.

  • GooeySlime

    Frankly, I still buy those games with drms on them, and then I try to find a crack, I shouldn’t have to do that, obviously, but I want to support my goddamn hobby, I doN,t care about the hardware demands and other things like that, I like building pcs, I build a new one every couple months with gaming in mind, I don’t buy the most expensive pieces there are, but I still try to get the most out of my money, unfortunatly, it does seem completely pointless the way things are going, and it baffles me that a lot of other people out there would buy expensive pcs in order to play games but when it comes to actually playing those games; they don’t want to pay.
    And thus came drms such as SecuROM and Tages, which, sadly, do not prevent piracy and punishes those who buy the game, and gives a reason for people to pirate those games, not realizing that pirating said title isn’t going to send the companies a message concerning drms, but will instead just make the problem worse then it already is. What’s next? Monthly subscriptions for games that aren’t even mmos?

    It does feel completely pointless to be a pc gamer these days, and it’s only going to get worse, but I really wouldn’t put the fault entirely on developpers/publishers despite them not giving any good reasons for you to actually buy their games seeing how they do things now. Piracy is a pretty big deal and most people won’t admit it.

    Obviously I’m just repeating what’s already been said but I had to get it out of my system.

  • GooeySlime

    Frankly, I still buy those games with drms on them, and then I try to find a crack, I shouldn’t have to do that, obviously, but I want to support my goddamn hobby, I doN,t care about the hardware demands and other things like that, I like building pcs, I build a new one every couple months with gaming in mind, I don’t buy the most expensive pieces there are, but I still try to get the most out of my money, unfortunatly, it does seem completely pointless the way things are going, and it baffles me that a lot of other people out there would buy expensive pcs in order to play games but when it comes to actually playing those games; they don’t want to pay.
    And thus came drms such as SecuROM and Tages, which, sadly, do not prevent piracy and punishes those who buy the game, and gives a reason for people to pirate those games, not realizing that pirating said title isn’t going to send the companies a message concerning drms, but will instead just make the problem worse then it already is. What’s next? Monthly subscriptions for games that aren’t even mmos?

    It does feel completely pointless to be a pc gamer these days, and it’s only going to get worse, but I really wouldn’t put the fault entirely on developpers/publishers despite them not giving any good reasons for you to actually buy their games seeing how they do things now. Piracy is a pretty big deal and most people won’t admit it.

    Obviously I’m just repeating what’s already been said but I had to get it out of my system.

  • Kenny

    There’s an old saying … “If it aint broke, dont try to fix it”.
    Same goes for PC and console games.

  • Kenny

    There’s an old saying … “If it aint broke, dont try to fix it”.
    Same goes for PC and console games.

  • Anonymous

    @Superslash2 I think the implication there is that a third-party download manager is pretty much holding you hostage. What’s to stop them from uploading spyware or pop-up ads onto your computer and claiming it’s to “offset the cost”?

    Because you have no choice (and game publishers don’t necessarily have any say), you have to allow the backdoor addition of whatever they damn well feel like.

  • mflorian

    @Superslash2 I think the implication there is that a third-party download manager is pretty much holding you hostage. What’s to stop them from uploading spyware or pop-up ads onto your computer and claiming it’s to “offset the cost”?

    Because you have no choice (and game publishers don’t necessarily have any say), you have to allow the backdoor addition of whatever they damn well feel like.

  • ANONYMOUS

    POAST SUM UPDATES NAO

  • ANONYMOUS

    POAST SUM UPDATES NAO

  • e altar

    you know the more i hear you people talk about DRm
    the less i think you are pc gamers, or realy you are so unlucky

    because asside from every time a game turns out tu work with steam, i have nerver had any instalation problem

    the only problem i realy had was with tom clancy’s rainbow six raven shield, were i had to actualy update the game at least once
    or the bastard would not lauch

    and i will say that when all of you have fallen in the death trap that are the consoles
    i will remain proud on top of the hill of pc gaming

    i do own a ps2 but it is to play with friends on multiplayer games
    or the FF because i like a good story

    but beyond that PC it the gaming platform, what i think is that the gaming industry should level the grafics here for ten years
    they are realy good no point augmenting them just because the new 8 core or x33 supper bloom came out

    and re concentrate on the quality of the game (story, characters, voice acting, gameplay) and make new original and inovative
    games

  • e altar

    you know the more i hear you people talk about DRm
    the less i think you are pc gamers, or realy you are so unlucky

    because asside from every time a game turns out tu work with steam, i have nerver had any instalation problem

    the only problem i realy had was with tom clancy’s rainbow six raven shield, were i had to actualy update the game at least once
    or the bastard would not lauch

    and i will say that when all of you have fallen in the death trap that are the consoles
    i will remain proud on top of the hill of pc gaming

    i do own a ps2 but it is to play with friends on multiplayer games
    or the FF because i like a good story

    but beyond that PC it the gaming platform, what i think is that the gaming industry should level the grafics here for ten years
    they are realy good no point augmenting them just because the new 8 core or x33 supper bloom came out

    and re concentrate on the quality of the game (story, characters, voice acting, gameplay) and make new original and inovative
    games

  • Graylord

    Demigod was released a few days ago, and has NO form of copy protection and it’s developers and distributors go by the standard that pirates are a lot more moral than companies gives credit. You might want to have a look.

  • Graylord

    Demigod was released a few days ago, and has NO form of copy protection and it’s developers and distributors go by the standard that pirates are a lot more moral than companies gives credit. You might want to have a look.

  • Patton

    Well, no form of copy protection is just naive and idiotic, people will always steal if given a chance to do it easily and without getting caught.
    Cd checks and serial keys are good enough most of the time.
    But Securom type of invasive DRM is overkill and useless, as it is always cracked anyways, and it just harms the consumer.
    Copy protection should be about stopping every idiot and their friend making a illegal copy, and for that purpose, serial-keys and CD checks work well. Perhaps even a “weak” DRM that doesnt require internet registration and doesnt use other useless, unfair methods that would cause the consumer to have issues with installing and playing the product as much as they want, would be the best solution.
    Invasive DRM is not doing any good to the industry.

  • Patton

    Well, no form of copy protection is just naive and idiotic, people will always steal if given a chance to do it easily and without getting caught.
    Cd checks and serial keys are good enough most of the time.
    But Securom type of invasive DRM is overkill and useless, as it is always cracked anyways, and it just harms the consumer.
    Copy protection should be about stopping every idiot and their friend making a illegal copy, and for that purpose, serial-keys and CD checks work well. Perhaps even a “weak” DRM that doesnt require internet registration and doesnt use other useless, unfair methods that would cause the consumer to have issues with installing and playing the product as much as they want, would be the best solution.
    Invasive DRM is not doing any good to the industry.

  • Blah

    I WAS a PC gamer. It was difficult for me to switch–but only at first. Now, a lot of games are coming with bullshit DRM protection, limited installs, and rootkits. Now, the developers have discovered that they can rush a PC game, still get the same amount of money they would have received had they released a fully functional game, and release a patch a few weeks later. Now, PC games are on the back-burner. RE4? Bullshit on the PC. Guitar Hero was bloated when it was released on the PC ffs. GUITAR HERO is snubbing the PC. That’s low. Even the PC’s savior, Steam, has fucked up on numerous occasions.

    So, when I had to decide between a 360 and upgrading my PC, the decision was hard. But it became easy when it took me a fucking hour to install and patch a game just so I can play it for a while before leaving for class.

    Now, I just pop in GTA4 after I’m done getting ready and I get in an hour and a half every morning. Fuck the PC.

  • Blah

    I WAS a PC gamer. It was difficult for me to switch–but only at first. Now, a lot of games are coming with bullshit DRM protection, limited installs, and rootkits. Now, the developers have discovered that they can rush a PC game, still get the same amount of money they would have received had they released a fully functional game, and release a patch a few weeks later. Now, PC games are on the back-burner. RE4? Bullshit on the PC. Guitar Hero was bloated when it was released on the PC ffs. GUITAR HERO is snubbing the PC. That’s low. Even the PC’s savior, Steam, has fucked up on numerous occasions.

    So, when I had to decide between a 360 and upgrading my PC, the decision was hard. But it became easy when it took me a fucking hour to install and patch a game just so I can play it for a while before leaving for class.

    Now, I just pop in GTA4 after I’m done getting ready and I get in an hour and a half every morning. Fuck the PC.

  • Patton

    there is just one problem. Consoles Die.
    Every 8 years, and then new “generation” comes.
    And most of them arent backwards compatible, so there goes your expensive games library.
    You cant even upgrade hardware on a 360, so you have to buy entirely new console.
    AND now-a-days you actually HAVE to patch ON THE CONSOLES. So there really is no clear benefit from moving to consoles.
    DRm will not kill PC gaming.

  • Patton

    there is just one problem. Consoles Die.
    Every 8 years, and then new “generation” comes.
    And most of them arent backwards compatible, so there goes your expensive games library.
    You cant even upgrade hardware on a 360, so you have to buy entirely new console.
    AND now-a-days you actually HAVE to patch ON THE CONSOLES. So there really is no clear benefit from moving to consoles.
    DRm will not kill PC gaming.

  • Cdscottie

    I’ve played X3:TC since it’s release and noticed that while installing the Steam version I ran into TAGES setup. So, instead of blinding installing it I did some research and realized that it was an online activation scheme. I grudgingly installed it and surprisingly haven’t run into any issues. I run steam on this computer, my laptop, my girlfriends desktop and laptop as well. I have installed the game on all 4 of them and have yet to run into an issue with activating. As well, if you visit the forums you can see that when a person runs into the issue the developers often contact TAGES themselves to get the issue corrected.

    Either way, I am against DRM software but I tend to bare with it as I enjoy the games. Unless you tend to run into false positives/warnings DRM it really shouldn’t hamper your fun. Noah, I say bare with it and give the game a try. You can’t return it so what do you have to lose? Plus, TAGES is not as harmful or painful as Starforce or SecuROM.

  • Cdscottie

    I’ve played X3:TC since it’s release and noticed that while installing the Steam version I ran into TAGES setup. So, instead of blinding installing it I did some research and realized that it was an online activation scheme. I grudgingly installed it and surprisingly haven’t run into any issues. I run steam on this computer, my laptop, my girlfriends desktop and laptop as well. I have installed the game on all 4 of them and have yet to run into an issue with activating. As well, if you visit the forums you can see that when a person runs into the issue the developers often contact TAGES themselves to get the issue corrected.

    Either way, I am against DRM software but I tend to bare with it as I enjoy the games. Unless you tend to run into false positives/warnings DRM it really shouldn’t hamper your fun. Noah, I say bare with it and give the game a try. You can’t return it so what do you have to lose? Plus, TAGES is not as harmful or painful as Starforce or SecuROM.

  • e altar

    well guitar heros 3 doesn’t have online featurs activated … way too bad
    be still a lot of fun and cheaper than even the ps2 version

    any way if spoony can’t realy run X3 how about us who have it working send him footage
    and our apreciation of the game

    on a longer run we could use that method every time he runs into a problem like that

    here in france we don’t seam to have those securom and other drm problems… hummm i wonder

  • e altar

    well guitar heros 3 doesn’t have online featurs activated … way too bad
    be still a lot of fun and cheaper than even the ps2 version

    any way if spoony can’t realy run X3 how about us who have it working send him footage
    and our apreciation of the game

    on a longer run we could use that method every time he runs into a problem like that

    here in france we don’t seam to have those securom and other drm problems… hummm i wonder

  • Anonymous person

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  • Anonymous person

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  • Superslash2

    To mflorian : But don’t you have to allow a download manager to allow the game company to patch the game for any new ones that are issued. You still have to trust someone else with your computer’s security.

  • Superslash2

    To mflorian : But don’t you have to allow a download manager to allow the game company to patch the game for any new ones that are issued. You still have to trust someone else with your computer’s security.

  • Nick

    Hey I feel for you Noah I recently purchased a game and when I went to install it I needed a ridiculous amount of accounts and other BS and finally after getting all that CRAP installed a notice told me my graphics card wasn’t powerful enough to play this game and the graphics card required is like +$150.

  • Nick

    Hey I feel for you Noah I recently purchased a game and when I went to install it I needed a ridiculous amount of accounts and other BS and finally after getting all that CRAP installed a notice told me my graphics card wasn’t powerful enough to play this game and the graphics card required is like +$150.

  • mightysamurai

    “there is just one problem. Consoles Die.”

    True, but so do PCs. It just doesn’t happen as often. “New models” of personal computers come out all the time. And for those of us who aren’t tech-heads who love pulling PCs apart and upgrading the gooey silicon innards with new components, buying a new one is pretty much the only option we have.

    Also, depending on what features you get, buying a new console is almost always a smaller investment than buying a new PC. BestBuy.com currently lists the Xbox 360 Arcade at $199. PCs on BestBuy.com start at $299 and skyrocket from there. (And that’s without counting all the upgrades you have to buy so your PC can keep up with ever advancing software requirements.) Granted, that may change in the future given how pricey consoles have become in recent years, but then again it might not. Out of the 360, PS3, and the Nintendo Wii, the Wii is the cheapest of the three systems (other than the 360 Arcade, but who buys those anyway?). And last I checked, the Wii is also the strongest selling of the three. So it seems console buyers may be voting with their wallets which could substantially push down console prices in the future.

    As far as backward compatibility goes, I predict that more and more consoles are going to be made backward compatible in the future. Cartridges were the biggest obstacle to backward compatibility for console games in the past, but now that cartridges have officially gone the way of the dinosaur to be replaced by CDs, backward compatibility will be a lot easier to manage. Also, the PS3 and the 360 are already backward compatible with most PS2 and Xbox games, respectively, and the Nintendo Wii is backward compatible with all Nintendo Gamecube games (and yet again, the Wii tops the PS3 and the 360 in sales; coincidence?).

    And even if backward compatibility doesn’t catch on with console manufacturers, at least there’s a strong resell market for old consoles and old console games. Try getting a decent price on an old and outdated PC. Not so easy.

    Ultimately it all comes down to what’s more important to you. If you’d rather deal with hours or days of installation time and the rigmarole of getting around copy protection just so you won’t be stuck with a “dead” console a few years down the line, go with PCs. If you’d rather your games be, for lack of a better term, “plug and play”, and you’re okay with your system possibly becoming obsolete a few years down the line, go with consoles.

    “DRm will not kill PC gaming.”

    Maybe not, but notice that none of the flaws you listed for console games seems to be hurting the console industry as a whole, whereas the PC gaming industry has been significantly damaged due to issues like DRM.

    Though personally I think the smart money is on consoles over PC games.

  • mightysamurai

    “there is just one problem. Consoles Die.”

    True, but so do PCs. It just doesn’t happen as often. “New models” of personal computers come out all the time. And for those of us who aren’t tech-heads who love pulling PCs apart and upgrading the gooey silicon innards with new components, buying a new one is pretty much the only option we have.

    Also, depending on what features you get, buying a new console is almost always a smaller investment than buying a new PC. BestBuy.com currently lists the Xbox 360 Arcade at $199. PCs on BestBuy.com start at $299 and skyrocket from there. (And that’s without counting all the upgrades you have to buy so your PC can keep up with ever advancing software requirements.) Granted, that may change in the future given how pricey consoles have become in recent years, but then again it might not. Out of the 360, PS3, and the Nintendo Wii, the Wii is the cheapest of the three systems (other than the 360 Arcade, but who buys those anyway?). And last I checked, the Wii is also the strongest selling of the three. So it seems console buyers may be voting with their wallets which could substantially push down console prices in the future.

    As far as backward compatibility goes, I predict that more and more consoles are going to be made backward compatible in the future. Cartridges were the biggest obstacle to backward compatibility for console games in the past, but now that cartridges have officially gone the way of the dinosaur to be replaced by CDs, backward compatibility will be a lot easier to manage. Also, the PS3 and the 360 are already backward compatible with most PS2 and Xbox games, respectively, and the Nintendo Wii is backward compatible with all Nintendo Gamecube games (and yet again, the Wii tops the PS3 and the 360 in sales; coincidence?).

    And even if backward compatibility doesn’t catch on with console manufacturers, at least there’s a strong resell market for old consoles and old console games. Try getting a decent price on an old and outdated PC. Not so easy.

    Ultimately it all comes down to what’s more important to you. If you’d rather deal with hours or days of installation time and the rigmarole of getting around copy protection just so you won’t be stuck with a “dead” console a few years down the line, go with PCs. If you’d rather your games be, for lack of a better term, “plug and play”, and you’re okay with your system possibly becoming obsolete a few years down the line, go with consoles.

    “DRm will not kill PC gaming.”

    Maybe not, but notice that none of the flaws you listed for console games seems to be hurting the console industry as a whole, whereas the PC gaming industry has been significantly damaged due to issues like DRM.

    Though personally I think the smart money is on consoles over PC games.

  • Michael Borean

    @post 183 – if you are stupid enough to not make sure that your video card can run a game before you buy it, and there are a few really easy ways to tell btw, then you deserve to lose your money. Its generally printed on the BOX what you need. If you got it from a website, it lists the specs required. An easy way to tell if your video card will run something or not is to do as such. Figure out how new the game is. Figure out when you last bought a video card – if ever. If video card is more then 2 years old, or even a year, then it probably won’t work so well. If you bought a computer with onboard graphics then assume it won’t work. Its basic stuff.

  • Michael Borean

    @post 183 – if you are stupid enough to not make sure that your video card can run a game before you buy it, and there are a few really easy ways to tell btw, then you deserve to lose your money. Its generally printed on the BOX what you need. If you got it from a website, it lists the specs required. An easy way to tell if your video card will run something or not is to do as such. Figure out how new the game is. Figure out when you last bought a video card – if ever. If video card is more then 2 years old, or even a year, then it probably won’t work so well. If you bought a computer with onboard graphics then assume it won’t work. Its basic stuff.

  • soilin

    @post 185 – You shouldn’t start insulting other people, there are allot of people who don’t know as much of pc’s as other people, we all came from a time where it wasn’t so important to look at the minimum requirements and it was plug in and play for pc as well but now we got in the shit =.=. Besides those requirements are printed on the boxes really small (why? It’s important!) and I do not intend to remember the entire settings of my pc nor am I willing to write them down and put them in my pocket every time i want to buy a game just to see if it will work. You mention that he first has to check it up on the internet … why? Why should he, the customer who pays the game check beforehand if his pc can actually play the damn game? It’s as stated in the article why should we customers first do research just to know if we get what we pay for? It’s not right and btw since post 183 is two posts before you, you could just as easily have said @Nick. Also he didn’t know his video card couldn’t take it but that wasn’t the point of what he said, his point was that he first had to register a whole lot of idiotic stuff then install the game and only after that step it said to him his graphic card was too old. A computergame should first check if it will be able to play, then it should prompt any possible errors (but still give the option to install anyways if you can fix the problem manually!) and then start installing .

    continue on with other stuff

    some people seem to understand spoony’s statement wrong, he doesn’t say pirating is good, he even mentions it most times before that he hates it and he buys all his games. He states that the DRM from these days is ridiculous and even starts breaking other laws and does indeed wreck your pc even if it’s only a small third medium it’s still a third medium that can fuck you over and you can’t do anything about it. I also honostly don’t know what people find so good about steam, if your account gets blocked or something happens to steam itself you lose your games

    now about quality, indeed games these days tend to suck, or should be good but are buggy as hell since “the creators can do patches and upgrades” thanks to that spy/malware that DRM actually is. What happened to the whole lets make a good game that people will actually enjoy thing? If I go to my cousine to play videogames the entire day isn’t it kinda sad that we actually choose old games to play cause 1. the new games suck? 2. The new games can’t even install or be played properly? 3. The old games are epic win?

    Copyprotection. The biggest flaw in games. Sure whine all about protecting yourself against pirating it still doesn’t make it right. In my opinion they actually break other laws to do those things, like what happened to our right of privacy? Doesn’t that disappear when they are allowed to make you install something else without warning (which I’m pretty sure isn’t allowed at all!) and that something checks your pc to look what is installed on it? And if it doesn’t work with virus and malware scanners i think i heard enough, it’s bad and dangerous for your pc, especially as it is stated that your pc gets more insecure because of it.

    and indeed buying something makes it your property, i admit some protection is required so other people don’t make money with your product but i think it’s still a law (at least in my country) that if you make a transaction in giving money for a product the product becomes yours as soon as you gave the money, it’s yours and you are allowed to do anything with the things that are yours as long as you don’t break any other laws while you do it. That is where the current copyrightprotection has to stop, right there. Nowadays you buy a game, make it yours, you go home and install it, on your own pc, and then find out you can only install it a number of times, that is BS! That right there is breaking a law, you buy the game its yours, you don’t lend the game you buy it! to show how enraging stupid that thing is let me do it with something else. I’ll take a book as example cause then it’s almost hilarious. Let’s say you go to a bookshop and see a book you want to have, you grab your wallet you give the owner the money and you take the book with you. You go home and open the book and then suddenly you see you can only read the book 3 times and then all the pages go blank and you can’t open it anymore, does that make any sense at all? or you buy a tv and in the guide it mentions you can only hook it up 3 times, so if you redecorate your room tree times you’ll have to buy a new tv. Breaking the laws of comerce that one (if you have such a thing going on, then get yourself a lawyer as i think you can actually that

    but the videogames companies do it very clever by letting all the people who don’t know as much of it focus on the pirating and illegal bussiness and they make themselves the victims. People who don’t know about it of course believe them and start to support the actions they undertake. They are Maciavelli, everything is allowed for the cause (or how the hell you say that in english anyways :p) they hide behind the people who pirate just so they can do the things that aren’t actually legal as well and if people bitch about those actions they can say: “He is one of those pirating people cause he is bothered by our security so it works” it aren’t the writers of the videogames who are to blame btw, it are the ones who are commanding them.

    DRM may not kill PC gaming but it sure sucks the fun straight out of it

    sorry for the long post again guys ^^’>

  • soilin

    @post 185 – You shouldn’t start insulting other people, there are allot of people who don’t know as much of pc’s as other people, we all came from a time where it wasn’t so important to look at the minimum requirements and it was plug in and play for pc as well but now we got in the shit =.=. Besides those requirements are printed on the boxes really small (why? It’s important!) and I do not intend to remember the entire settings of my pc nor am I willing to write them down and put them in my pocket every time i want to buy a game just to see if it will work. You mention that he first has to check it up on the internet … why? Why should he, the customer who pays the game check beforehand if his pc can actually play the damn game? It’s as stated in the article why should we customers first do research just to know if we get what we pay for? It’s not right and btw since post 183 is two posts before you, you could just as easily have said @Nick. Also he didn’t know his video card couldn’t take it but that wasn’t the point of what he said, his point was that he first had to register a whole lot of idiotic stuff then install the game and only after that step it said to him his graphic card was too old. A computergame should first check if it will be able to play, then it should prompt any possible errors (but still give the option to install anyways if you can fix the problem manually!) and then start installing .

    continue on with other stuff

    some people seem to understand spoony’s statement wrong, he doesn’t say pirating is good, he even mentions it most times before that he hates it and he buys all his games. He states that the DRM from these days is ridiculous and even starts breaking other laws and does indeed wreck your pc even if it’s only a small third medium it’s still a third medium that can fuck you over and you can’t do anything about it. I also honostly don’t know what people find so good about steam, if your account gets blocked or something happens to steam itself you lose your games

    now about quality, indeed games these days tend to suck, or should be good but are buggy as hell since “the creators can do patches and upgrades” thanks to that spy/malware that DRM actually is. What happened to the whole lets make a good game that people will actually enjoy thing? If I go to my cousine to play videogames the entire day isn’t it kinda sad that we actually choose old games to play cause 1. the new games suck? 2. The new games can’t even install or be played properly? 3. The old games are epic win?

    Copyprotection. The biggest flaw in games. Sure whine all about protecting yourself against pirating it still doesn’t make it right. In my opinion they actually break other laws to do those things, like what happened to our right of privacy? Doesn’t that disappear when they are allowed to make you install something else without warning (which I’m pretty sure isn’t allowed at all!) and that something checks your pc to look what is installed on it? And if it doesn’t work with virus and malware scanners i think i heard enough, it’s bad and dangerous for your pc, especially as it is stated that your pc gets more insecure because of it.

    and indeed buying something makes it your property, i admit some protection is required so other people don’t make money with your product but i think it’s still a law (at least in my country) that if you make a transaction in giving money for a product the product becomes yours as soon as you gave the money, it’s yours and you are allowed to do anything with the things that are yours as long as you don’t break any other laws while you do it. That is where the current copyrightprotection has to stop, right there. Nowadays you buy a game, make it yours, you go home and install it, on your own pc, and then find out you can only install it a number of times, that is BS! That right there is breaking a law, you buy the game its yours, you don’t lend the game you buy it! to show how enraging stupid that thing is let me do it with something else. I’ll take a book as example cause then it’s almost hilarious. Let’s say you go to a bookshop and see a book you want to have, you grab your wallet you give the owner the money and you take the book with you. You go home and open the book and then suddenly you see you can only read the book 3 times and then all the pages go blank and you can’t open it anymore, does that make any sense at all? or you buy a tv and in the guide it mentions you can only hook it up 3 times, so if you redecorate your room tree times you’ll have to buy a new tv. Breaking the laws of comerce that one (if you have such a thing going on, then get yourself a lawyer as i think you can actually that

    but the videogames companies do it very clever by letting all the people who don’t know as much of it focus on the pirating and illegal bussiness and they make themselves the victims. People who don’t know about it of course believe them and start to support the actions they undertake. They are Maciavelli, everything is allowed for the cause (or how the hell you say that in english anyways :p) they hide behind the people who pirate just so they can do the things that aren’t actually legal as well and if people bitch about those actions they can say: “He is one of those pirating people cause he is bothered by our security so it works” it aren’t the writers of the videogames who are to blame btw, it are the ones who are commanding them.

    DRM may not kill PC gaming but it sure sucks the fun straight out of it

    sorry for the long post again guys ^^’>

  • e altar

    have you realised that generaly (except if you stuble across asshole) pirated stuff is FREE
    they don’t mae money out of it…. i’m just saying

    yeah piracy in’t nice for the people who worked hard on a game … like let’s say … fallout 3

    on the other hand , valve and their shit load of crapy games => fuck you

  • e altar

    have you realised that generaly (except if you stuble across asshole) pirated stuff is FREE
    they don’t mae money out of it…. i’m just saying

    yeah piracy in’t nice for the people who worked hard on a game … like let’s say … fallout 3

    on the other hand , valve and their shit load of crapy games => fuck you

  • Michael Borean

    @post 186 Common sense is mandatory in an age when companies actively try and rip you off. The only time I mentioned the internet – which was to say if you got something from a website then you can check there for the requirements. If you cannot remember the single solitary thing like what your video card is then I think maybe there are more problems. I will insult someone who tries comparing being an idiot because he didn’t check his requirements for a game before buying it, to someone who is having problems with digital protection. They aren’t even remotely the same.

    Onto the important part. Piracy will happen whether or not companies actively fight against it. Its ingrained into society. Any and all methods used currently to stop piracy do not work. Spore as an example was cracked and released on the internet BEFORE it was being sold IIRC.

  • Michael Borean

    @post 186 Common sense is mandatory in an age when companies actively try and rip you off. The only time I mentioned the internet – which was to say if you got something from a website then you can check there for the requirements. If you cannot remember the single solitary thing like what your video card is then I think maybe there are more problems. I will insult someone who tries comparing being an idiot because he didn’t check his requirements for a game before buying it, to someone who is having problems with digital protection. They aren’t even remotely the same.

    Onto the important part. Piracy will happen whether or not companies actively fight against it. Its ingrained into society. Any and all methods used currently to stop piracy do not work. Spore as an example was cracked and released on the internet BEFORE it was being sold IIRC.

  • Soilin

    @post 188: of course they aren’t the same but that wasn’t what he did =.=. He only mentioned that in the end, and i can fully understand the problems with the videocards as you can have a very recent videocard and it still refuses to play a game cause it’s the wrong type of video card. The point of his complaint was that he had to do all those subscribes to even be able to install the game. Also again you mention that we should do some research before purchasing games and that is the major flaw in these days, what if you suddenly walk into a store and you see a game that interests you right there. Now if I should do what you say I should first go home find topics about the game on the internet and then see if there are any problems, DRM and requirements to run the game before I should go back to the store and finally be able to buy the game? With of course a big chance that the game has already been sold while you were spending hours of research just to see if you could play the damn game. Why should we spend more time researching the playability of the game then it would actually cost us to finish it? What you mention to be common sense is nothing else then the desperate things they force us to do. There is nothing common about it. Besides what type of video card you have isn’t the only thing that decides if you are able to play a game, I myself also have games that I can play on one pc but not the other and on both the requirements are fine and every computer can react differently as well.

    That’s why i hate the no refund possibility these days, I mean you can’t get your money back because you opened the game? What kind of BS is that? How the hell would I be able to find out if it works or not on my pc if I’m not even allowed to install it knowing that i can return it if it doesn’t work. Besides the games nowadays are always already opened =.= you give an open case and they put the cd in it. So you actually pay for an already used product! So what? If something happens in the time that it should have been in the damn case I don’t have rights to ask my money back? It’s plain illogical and a rippoff, and yet again they hide behind the danger of pirating. And then they mention it is to prevent people from getting a game, copying it and then give it back to get a “free” game. They really need to think about it: why would the person go to a store to do that? He can just torrent it and he has it without any trouble at all =.= stop making it hard for the people who actually try to be honest you damn commerce!

    yet again a long post sry guys ^^’>

    Soilin

  • Soilin

    @post 188: of course they aren’t the same but that wasn’t what he did =.=. He only mentioned that in the end, and i can fully understand the problems with the videocards as you can have a very recent videocard and it still refuses to play a game cause it’s the wrong type of video card. The point of his complaint was that he had to do all those subscribes to even be able to install the game. Also again you mention that we should do some research before purchasing games and that is the major flaw in these days, what if you suddenly walk into a store and you see a game that interests you right there. Now if I should do what you say I should first go home find topics about the game on the internet and then see if there are any problems, DRM and requirements to run the game before I should go back to the store and finally be able to buy the game? With of course a big chance that the game has already been sold while you were spending hours of research just to see if you could play the damn game. Why should we spend more time researching the playability of the game then it would actually cost us to finish it? What you mention to be common sense is nothing else then the desperate things they force us to do. There is nothing common about it. Besides what type of video card you have isn’t the only thing that decides if you are able to play a game, I myself also have games that I can play on one pc but not the other and on both the requirements are fine and every computer can react differently as well.

    That’s why i hate the no refund possibility these days, I mean you can’t get your money back because you opened the game? What kind of BS is that? How the hell would I be able to find out if it works or not on my pc if I’m not even allowed to install it knowing that i can return it if it doesn’t work. Besides the games nowadays are always already opened =.= you give an open case and they put the cd in it. So you actually pay for an already used product! So what? If something happens in the time that it should have been in the damn case I don’t have rights to ask my money back? It’s plain illogical and a rippoff, and yet again they hide behind the danger of pirating. And then they mention it is to prevent people from getting a game, copying it and then give it back to get a “free” game. They really need to think about it: why would the person go to a store to do that? He can just torrent it and he has it without any trouble at all =.= stop making it hard for the people who actually try to be honest you damn commerce!

    yet again a long post sry guys ^^’>

    Soilin

  • slayer

    so right about pc gaming now noah, it’s all about the consoles now and pc gaming is dying and that’s a fact people. i don’t really see a need to upgrade any expensive assed graphics cards and all that shit in the future. r.i.p. pc gaming, use to be a very promising platform that has become infested with half-assed ,bug ridden, drm-full , short, overpriced console ports…that can only be installed 3-5 times.

  • slayer

    so right about pc gaming now noah, it’s all about the consoles now and pc gaming is dying and that’s a fact people. i don’t really see a need to upgrade any expensive assed graphics cards and all that shit in the future. r.i.p. pc gaming, use to be a very promising platform that has become infested with half-assed ,bug ridden, drm-full , short, overpriced console ports…that can only be installed 3-5 times.

  • Michael Borean

    Well I can see your point. Sort of. PC gaming has me a bit jaded at the moment. I haven’t seen a game in almost 5 years that I want to play. World of Warcraft and that’s it. Waiting for Starcraft 2 and Diablo 3, and since its Blizzard releasing these I know I won’t have to deal with any stupid bullshit. Also, long live battle.net where you get to play other people for free. Freaking genius.

  • Michael Borean

    Well I can see your point. Sort of. PC gaming has me a bit jaded at the moment. I haven’t seen a game in almost 5 years that I want to play. World of Warcraft and that’s it. Waiting for Starcraft 2 and Diablo 3, and since its Blizzard releasing these I know I won’t have to deal with any stupid bullshit. Also, long live battle.net where you get to play other people for free. Freaking genius.

  • soilin

    at this i totally agree with you, blizzard still rules! ^^

    but it doesn’t matter on what thing you play the games, you can either choose between a drm infested pc with drm games or a console with stupid games that nobody buys. At this moment i find it sad that I actually have some games that I have to wait for while I still remember in the old days that you could go to a store and find 10 games that rocked and you wanted all of them. Have I grown up or is the selection of good games going down? That’s stuff i like to have answers to :(

  • soilin

    at this i totally agree with you, blizzard still rules! ^^

    but it doesn’t matter on what thing you play the games, you can either choose between a drm infested pc with drm games or a console with stupid games that nobody buys. At this moment i find it sad that I actually have some games that I have to wait for while I still remember in the old days that you could go to a store and find 10 games that rocked and you wanted all of them. Have I grown up or is the selection of good games going down? That’s stuff i like to have answers to :(

  • Michael Borean

    Selection has gone down across the board. Mind you I find that the console games are a bit better, at least if you don’t mind playing games that are almost retreads, IE Super mario galaxy (Which kicked sunshines ass), Metroid prime 3, Twilight princess, (Jumping consoles here) Saints row 2 – which is FAR superior to GTA4 for fun, actually my list mostly runs out there. Oh, boom blox on the wii was also a very interesting experience. Also I think I should make a forum account. These posts are totally getting off topic and I hate it when I do that.

  • Michael Borean

    Selection has gone down across the board. Mind you I find that the console games are a bit better, at least if you don’t mind playing games that are almost retreads, IE Super mario galaxy (Which kicked sunshines ass), Metroid prime 3, Twilight princess, (Jumping consoles here) Saints row 2 – which is FAR superior to GTA4 for fun, actually my list mostly runs out there. Oh, boom blox on the wii was also a very interesting experience. Also I think I should make a forum account. These posts are totally getting off topic and I hate it when I do that.

  • Blah

    You can say that DRM is there because of pirating, and adding even stronger and thus more invasive DRM is a good response to the piracy trend, but it’s wrong.

    Wrong because the customers (you know the ones that pay MONEY for the games) are the ones suffering. Not the pirates. they don’t give a shit. It takes them a few extra hours to crack stronger DRM and that’s it. Their work is done.

    Customers on the other hand spend countless hours trying to get past the DRM bullshit. If they want to play an older game, they better fucking hope to god they can find the sleeve with the CD Key. And if you lose the CD or it breaks? Tough shit! Buy another one.

    At that point, you’re at the mercy of the publisher to whom you paid good money!

    The customers have spoken and they don’t want to go through that anymore. That’s why there’s a patch for Spore, and a patch for Bioshock, and Sony got into deep shit with the rootkit. And there’s still more bitching to do because most of these publishers still haven’t learned their lesson. The ones that refuse to do so are going down the drain. (A lot of them have realized this, which is why they’re already focusing mostly on the 360)

  • Blah

    You can say that DRM is there because of pirating, and adding even stronger and thus more invasive DRM is a good response to the piracy trend, but it’s wrong.

    Wrong because the customers (you know the ones that pay MONEY for the games) are the ones suffering. Not the pirates. they don’t give a shit. It takes them a few extra hours to crack stronger DRM and that’s it. Their work is done.

    Customers on the other hand spend countless hours trying to get past the DRM bullshit. If they want to play an older game, they better fucking hope to god they can find the sleeve with the CD Key. And if you lose the CD or it breaks? Tough shit! Buy another one.

    At that point, you’re at the mercy of the publisher to whom you paid good money!

    The customers have spoken and they don’t want to go through that anymore. That’s why there’s a patch for Spore, and a patch for Bioshock, and Sony got into deep shit with the rootkit. And there’s still more bitching to do because most of these publishers still haven’t learned their lesson. The ones that refuse to do so are going down the drain. (A lot of them have realized this, which is why they’re already focusing mostly on the 360)

  • Soilin

    and now for something funny in the music world, the place where pirate protection actually started: in recent research it was proven that the persons who actually pirate music buy more music then people who never download it !! I would say this also is true for games, who has never ever before even downloaded something for gaming?

  • Soilin

    and now for something funny in the music world, the place where pirate protection actually started: in recent research it was proven that the persons who actually pirate music buy more music then people who never download it !! I would say this also is true for games, who has never ever before even downloaded something for gaming?

  • P4INKiller

    @ post #192:

    You wouldn’t know a good game if it came and kicked you in the nuts.
    Valve games are stable and fun to play, unlike Bethesda’s bug-riddled crash fest that is Fallout 3.

    Valve throws you several games in a package for a great price, Bethesda charges you for every little DLC no matter how small or unpolished it is.

    Sure, Fallout 3 is fun, but the bad stuff outweigh the crap I have to go throught to make it work.

  • P4INKiller

    @ post #192:

    You wouldn’t know a good game if it came and kicked you in the nuts.
    Valve games are stable and fun to play, unlike Bethesda’s bug-riddled crash fest that is Fallout 3.

    Valve throws you several games in a package for a great price, Bethesda charges you for every little DLC no matter how small or unpolished it is.

    Sure, Fallout 3 is fun, but the bad stuff outweigh the crap I have to go throught to make it work.

  • JollySam

    Is the PC game industry really dying? If companies are really getting into this anti-pirating software stuff; good riddance, I say. There are plenty of great old games that we can play.

    I’m primarily a PC gamer, but I notice that the most recent PC game I own is Half Life 2 (not a particularly new game), and my computer is pretty new, so there is something to be said about the theory that there are no more original games anymore. I’ve never played it, but is Fallout really that different from FarCry? Or Half Life 2? Or any of the other dozens of PC shooters?

    And while we’re on the subject, there is NO excuse for developers to release half-tested games and patch them later, no reason at all. That’s what finished off Empire: Total War, by all accounts.

    One more thing, people, LEARN TO SPELL, the rest of us hate having to translate every message back into English.

  • JollySam

    Is the PC game industry really dying? If companies are really getting into this anti-pirating software stuff; good riddance, I say. There are plenty of great old games that we can play.

    I’m primarily a PC gamer, but I notice that the most recent PC game I own is Half Life 2 (not a particularly new game), and my computer is pretty new, so there is something to be said about the theory that there are no more original games anymore. I’ve never played it, but is Fallout really that different from FarCry? Or Half Life 2? Or any of the other dozens of PC shooters?

    And while we’re on the subject, there is NO excuse for developers to release half-tested games and patch them later, no reason at all. That’s what finished off Empire: Total War, by all accounts.

    One more thing, people, LEARN TO SPELL, the rest of us hate having to translate every message back into English.

  • WebVidAddict

    I totally agree with you Spoony. I’m a PC gamer, partially because i haven’t upgraded to a next gen. console(still got my good old PS2). It’s f’ing retarded when you buy a leginimate game and it doesn’t f’ing play or it crashes. My computer was hand made from 2005, but i’ve upgraded it a little, and yet the game asks the impossible. And when you get them running, they glitchy as hell and decide just to fix it later in patches. You don’t want to know what i had to go throught to get Rome:Total War and Civ. 4 running. Let’s just say anytime you’d build some of the megastrucures in Civ. 4, it would freeze.

    And as a cumulative computer gaming responce from your paper cover vid, when I was watching it, I looked over at my CD rack, I noticed that every game from after my WarcraftIII:BattleChest is in those stupid paper flaps. I hate them as well but by having them in a cd tray, I can have them shoved in there separated in order.

    I feel sorry for PC gamers now because most games made for it are just multiplatform games. Name me 3 PC exculusive games from the past 4 years, that’s not an RTS(which I am a fan of *Go Command & Conquer*), MMORPG, or Turned based Stratiegy.

    I swear someone needs to make a video of the fustration of PC gamers either set to It’s a Hard Knock Life, The Times They are a Changin’, or Viva la Vida.

  • WebVidAddict

    I totally agree with you Spoony. I’m a PC gamer, partially because i haven’t upgraded to a next gen. console(still got my good old PS2). It’s f’ing retarded when you buy a leginimate game and it doesn’t f’ing play or it crashes. My computer was hand made from 2005, but i’ve upgraded it a little, and yet the game asks the impossible. And when you get them running, they glitchy as hell and decide just to fix it later in patches. You don’t want to know what i had to go throught to get Rome:Total War and Civ. 4 running. Let’s just say anytime you’d build some of the megastrucures in Civ. 4, it would freeze.

    And as a cumulative computer gaming responce from your paper cover vid, when I was watching it, I looked over at my CD rack, I noticed that every game from after my WarcraftIII:BattleChest is in those stupid paper flaps. I hate them as well but by having them in a cd tray, I can have them shoved in there separated in order.

    I feel sorry for PC gamers now because most games made for it are just multiplatform games. Name me 3 PC exculusive games from the past 4 years, that’s not an RTS(which I am a fan of *Go Command & Conquer*), MMORPG, or Turned based Stratiegy.

    I swear someone needs to make a video of the fustration of PC gamers either set to It’s a Hard Knock Life, The Times They are a Changin’, or Viva la Vida.

  • melissia

    I purchased it through Steam, which is its own DRM, but at least it lets it play and it's somewhat reputable…

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cody-Meyer/100000062682757 Cody Meyer

      I like Steam, if only because most game stores barely have anything in the way of a modest PC-game collection to choose from.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Sam-Williams/600640077 Sam Williams

    It really pisses me off when I get ambushed by these stupid add ons that all PC games seem to have these days. I’m not much of a PC gamer, hell most games I can get on PC I get on x-box, but a few games like the kotor games, red alert, empire at war, civ and total war are always in a kind of rotary installment on my laptop, one gets erased, anouther installed, but recently I borrowed a couple of games from a friend and their all over my laptop with pointless shit, not just copy protection but xfire and crap like that. I accidently instaled xfire and now it won’t let me remove it and honestly who uses that piece of crap when you have live and skype??

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Sam-Williams/600640077 Sam Williams

    It really pisses me off when I get ambushed by these stupid add ons that all PC games seem to have these days. I’m not much of a PC gamer, hell most games I can get on PC I get on x-box, but a few games like the kotor games, red alert, empire at war, civ and total war are always in a kind of rotary installment on my laptop, one gets erased, anouther installed, but recently I borrowed a couple of games from a friend and their all over my laptop with pointless shit, not just copy protection but xfire and crap like that. I accidently instaled xfire and now it won’t let me remove it and honestly who uses that piece of crap when you have live and skype??

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cody-Meyer/100000062682757 Cody Meyer

    This is why I hope GOG.com continues to expand into more recent games. I mean, sure, the name implies that it’s mostly a purely classic-gaming experience, but they HAVE released the latest The Witcher on it, and I don’t see why other companies wouldn’t mind them doing that. Hell, if they opened up to Indie developers, that’d be awesome, too.

    The only reason I’d have ever illegally ripped a game was purely a monetary issue, back when I was unemployed and had no income, really. The fact is, if people can tear open the latest iPhone’s software/firmware within a week of release, you’ll never have DRM that can protect your shit. This is why I didn’t purchase any of the Assassin Creed’s after the first one. Fuck you, Ubisoft. I borrowed my friends copy of the 360 ports and beat them. You just lost two game purchases from me!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Riku-Himawari/100001113904887 Riku Himawari

    As it goes, PC Gaming is for people who:

    a) Have people to cater to their financial needs and are able to blow 2000 dollars a year on something that should honestly work fine for at least 4.

    b) Have absolutely no other responsibilities and therefore can waste said amount of money AND waste time getting the games to actually fucking work.

    c) Want to brag their epeens about “2 MORE PIXELS THAN PS3 YEAH! ERP DERP”.

    d) Have absolutely no stress-inducing circumstances in life and are therefore perfectly capable of fucking 10 to 12 hours a day on a computer to begin with.

    My advice, Spoony? Here:

    1) Buy a PS3. Xbox360 exclusives aren’t that unique, and quite honestly, easily replaceable by something else — only decent exception being Lost Odyssey. Not to mention, PS3s don’t just die on you, so no need to hassle with that.

    2) Play on the PS3 (or Xbox360, anyway, my previous point was just to rub it in) only. Games need to install too, but at the very least, they work 100% of the time.

    3) No more need to upgrade your hardware every 4 months just to be able to keep up with the “oh-so superior graphics” (which aren’t THAT superior anyway). Consoles have an average lifespan of 6 to 7 years and they play everything perfectly in the entire span. Upgrading a computer is a waste of money, patience and time that people who actually have a life cannot afford.

    4) If you don’t want the games physically, you can always make digital purchase through XboxLive or PSN. The only advantage the computer ever had, really, were digital purchases through Steam. Now that it’s not an exclusive “thing” anymore, go crazy.

    5) The consoles get the better games altogether, anyway. So go nuts with pretty much 90% of the gaming market catering to you. You’ll now be able to enjoy more than half-baked ports.

    6) Thank me.

    And, you’re welcome.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_5LEJN7M36OL3JNYLENCOATRB4U Ion Zone

      You don’t need the latest hardware to be a PC gamer, and no it’s not about bragging, not any more than owning the latest consoles and games is. PC gamers are PC gamers because:

      1) A PC has the capability to play games by any company – there isn’t really any of this ‘exclusive’ crap.

      2) PCs could do all that fancy web browsing and chatting online a DECADE ago.

      3) It’s much easier to make and distribute indie games, there is no big paranoid console manufacturer to try and stop you.

      4) A PC isn’t just a gaming machine, it’s an everything-you-can-do-with-a-computer machine

      5) We have more than four buttons on our keyboards. If we want a joystick, we can get one. We also have a mouse. If we want a games controller, we can get one of those too. Or just use an X-box controller!

      6) You can play old games on PCs and they generally work. And if they don’t there are work-arounds and emulators.

      7) Once a console game is out of print, all you have is ebay. Most games don’t make it to, say, X-box Live arcade. We have Abandonia and Gog.com. A PC gamer has access, one way or another, to every single game ever made for the PC. Can you say that about the Playstation?

      8) If you buy a game on the virtual arcades you are screwed when the Arcade eventually gets taken down or your hard-drive breaks. Don’t expect to be able to back them up and play them on the next console you get or transfer them to another console from a different company.

      9) When part of a PC breaks, you can buy a replacement and fit it yourself, you don’t need to send it off to the company.

      10) PC gamers don;t buy a new rig every couple of years, we just upgrade it.

      And finally

      11) it isn’t an eitheror thing – we have consoles too, but we have them for simple ‘pick up and play’ games. Which is almost all they are good for, really.

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