In which we see a movie about robots fighting monsters. Not that you’d know that from the title.
Whatever. Let’s just get this over with.
Re: the video title: I see what you did there.
You know Spoony, you didn’t HAVE to watch it. You really didn’t.
Sir, he had to watch it. Too much pressure.
I got started in Sci-Fi with Heinlein and Asimov. Foundation, Robots and Murder, The tales of Lazarus Long, Stranger in A Strange Land, Starship Troopers (The CGI cartoon remains the best adaptation), Red Planet, The Unpleasant Profession of Jonathan Hoag, etc. But Ender’s Game was one of the first ones I ever read after that. And yeah that end twist was indeed something… I watched the Dune movie first and then absorbed the books after that. The Ender Game sequels just didn’t have the same spark though upon reading.
Huh. Now, even the video title contains bitching already.
I’m genuinely impressed.
This review was pretty much how I expected, and I don’t mind it in the slightest. The plot is very thin and the characters one-note, I just think that they really work in the context of the movie, and I still liked them. So I agree with Spoony, I just don’t have the same appreciation of it.
When one of the robots suddenly has a sword, does one of the stereotypical Australians say “That’s a knoif!”?
See, Spoony keeps bitching about stuff, but everything he says makes me want to watch the movie even more…
Is there any recent movie that Noah actually likes?
He liked Iron Man 3.
Funnily enough, I thought Ron Perlman was one of the weaker parts of this movie. When you think about it, his character didn’t contribute anything to this film that we could have found out otherwise.
I laughed when I first saw him, because “Hey! Ron Perlman!” But, yeah, ultimately he was distracting and added nothing. Much love for the man, but that was pointless.
Funnily enough, I thought Ron Perlman’s character was completely unnecessary. I don’t think he contributed anything that we could have gotten/found out via other characters.
Regarding the whole title thing, I don’t see how Pacific Rim is any more obtuse than, say, Super 8 or Cloverfield. Maybe Pacific Rim’s mistake was they didn’t try to mimic JJ Abrams’ “mystery box” bullshit with their marketing?
I couldn’t disagree more about the score. I have no idea what songs you hear in your head, but it sure wasn’t what was playing in the theater.
When the main theme flared up at key points, it was quite the rush.
Actually, I enjoyed it for what it was, but I do agree on the majority of this, it wasn’t anything special.
I have to admit though, the way the movie started out instantly mentioning the action figures and tv shows that spun off of this unnatural disaster, I was already flashing back to GLaDOS voices in the trailer. I seriously thought there would be an actual mention of how maybe Valve decided to give support to the building of one of these Jaegers in return for exclusive video game rights. Far fetched, but hey: If they would have went any further on the “Hell Yeah, Voltron!” line it would have almost made sense. Perhaps have the “bonding” training be figuring out Portal 2 together. Ridiculous, I know! But for a start which builds on the line “But then everything changed.” they could’ve continued the semi-comedic prologue sequence establishing more of the Jaeger program and they have to do less of the “Funding Cancelled” scenes and filler-esque black market bit.
Why do you even bother with this Spoony?? it’s very well know you don’t like Anime/Manga at all and you had some unreasonable hatred towards it even before seeing the movie.
As for the title “Pacific Rim” being a bit obscure at least it sounds better than “Titans of the Pacific”
Oh well, at least Brad enjoyed the movie….
A mech movie gotta have someting more descriptive, like “Kaiju Buster Gipsy Danger” or something XD
Did you stop to think that maybe YOU’RE the reason you didn’t like the movie? Just saying, you went into it thinking it was going to be stupid so you picked apart everything you could to have a negative opinion about it.
I think he was a bit too harsh on it, but his review is ultimately fair in terms of the points he makes. Far as I’m concerned this movie was awesome because I came for the robots fighting giant monsters and that part was totally awesome.
The rest of it delivered the plot it needed to get to the robots fighting monsters pretty well.
They could’ve done more with the characterization, but honestly they went over those pretty much as fast as they could without it getting to the point where it would’ve felt rushed.
Definitely could’ve used some more screen time of different Jaegers with different fighting styles but what it did deliver was already awesome.
I don’t think it’s a fair criticism to say the characters are stereotypes. They are, but they’re meant to be. I do think it’s fair to say that they could’ve been given more depth, even though they were stereotypes.
One: You guys are assholes for making Spoony sad >=(
Two: I liked Iron Man 3 too!
Erm actually..Mako did have simulator training..I know this because she fucking said it.
Hey Noah. Remember in the Robowar review where you said “a movie doesn’t have to be good to be awesome”? Paciifc Rim is the ultimate example and you’re just being way too much of a condescending negative nancy to even realize that. Just lighten up, forget those godawful as fuck Transformers movies exist and just let Del Toro’s magic light up your night.
I kinda wonder if he set it in his head that it was going to suck, so it made everything worse while he watched it.
But eh, sometimes I watch him to be completely against what he’s saying so he provided good content either way.
I think this review is a testament to how good Pacific Rim actually is if you think about it. Noah went to see this movie because he was forced to after having completely made up his mind that it’s going to be the worst movie ever made in the history of ever. Despite this, even with all the nitpicking to try and discredit the movie, he is forced to admit the movie isn’t bad. Sure “It’s ok” isn’t exactly a compliment but considering its coming from someone who had the mind set that it was impossible to like that’s rather impressive on the movies part.
38 thumbs up, the people have spoken. I just hope spoony realizes he made a huge mistake and does a re-review or an apology or something!
Fucking Budget Cuts.
Well, YEAH they said they were stopping funding at the beginning of the movie. Probably was a shoestring budget that was left for the last 6 months, and all that went to repairing the surviving jaegers.
Spoony went to see Pacific Rim to review it for the site. So, does that make this review a Pacific Rim Job?
That will be the name of the porn parody.
Now I haven’t finished the video here so I might comment on it again but I’m going to bring up a few points on why this movie was a bit ‘fresh air’ after the stinkers of the last decade;
-Minimal american-wanking HOORAH WE AWESOME. The Pan Pacific Defense Corps is multi-national and while two or three of the main characters are american (hey gotta try to sell to the american audiences, I get that) the others are not. And in fact you can just about go trough the entire movie and honestly forget that they’re american. Not once do they go shoving a huge 3d flag down your throat. The only time, I think, we see a flag is in the intro and that’s justified a bit because it’s a victory parade for an American Jaeger. Sure the lead robot is the american one, but in the main story it’s part-piloted by a Japanese woman.
-Expanding on that; the main action take place away from american cities. I think we’ve had our share of New York getting trashed. Yes, we get it. 9/11 scary. We get it!
-If there was a romance subplot between Raleigh and Mako it was rather subtle until the end and, even then, it’s left exceedingly ambiguous. They don’t even kiss at the end. Yes they do show affection for one another but it’s left quite ambiguous as to how close they actually are and that was, IMO, far more heartwarming and sweet than the mandatory “big epic kiss with booming music”. So, no poorly executed romance subplot.
That alone made it refreshing compared to other summer blockbusters.
GOD spoony, youre a whiny little bitch
I have not seen the movie. I had no intention of seeing this movie even before watching the review.
And from what I’m hearing about the movie, I don’t really need to see it. I could watch a season of Power Rangers and get the same thing: robots fighting monsters. And while that concept is fun, I fail to see why people are so up in arms about this being a great movie and why Noah’s reaction to it is worth criticizing.
Because his reaction is basically “I went in to hate it and refuse to acnowledge what the movie did right”. Which is a little unfair to toward this enjoyable, fun if flawed movie.
What? he did acknowledge what it did right he said he really enjoyed the robot fight scenes.
I don’t think he went in to hate it, nor did he ignore the things that were good.
And like I said, it may be a fun movie, but why does it deserve this many defenders? You get the same content and level of enjoyment out of watching Power Rangers. Or Digimon. Or a dozen other shows where monsters and/or robots fight each other.
Really? You’re so butthurt over the title that you had to make a gag of it with the video name?
Also, those so called “major plot holes” that you brought up? Not only are they not major, they’re not even plot holes! In what way, shape, or form is the lack of a simulator anything other than a stupid fucking nitpick?
There WAS a simulator, remember? She had 55/55 kills in the simulator, so they thought she was good to go in the real thing.
Indeed there was, Mako and Raleigh discuss simulator score; people just clearly did not pay attention because this movie makes a damn good job of explaining it’s plot, setting and everything.
I haven’t seen the movie, but I thought that was a silly complaint.
That is some serious nitpicking dude. You really are trying too hard on this one…seriously. We already know that you went into it with a bad attitude for really no reason at all.
I agree with Spoony’s criticisms but I still really enjoyed the film. However, there is one problem I had which he didn’t address. They set up that they have the last of the Mk I Jaegers in their hanger. They lay in that the Commander was a bad ass pilot of that first generation and how it gave him radiation poisoning & that’s why they don’t use it.
So I was expecting by the end so many of the other Jaegers were destroyed that in order to complete their desperate final mission he would volunteer to pilot that Mk 1 despite it being lethal to him but instead he co-pilots the Mk V & somehow that would kill him too though it didn’t. Why did they bother insinuating we’d see the Mk 1 be awesome?
No matter what anyone says… this title is PERFECT Spoony. I still say the movie should have been called Robot Jox 2: Crash and Burn Harder.
There are massive plotholes and the characters are one note and the Jeager designs could be better and over all the story makes not one bit of sense…
Great movie though!
Here’s what I don’t understand about this review:
We listened to you bitch and moan for years about how fucking awful the Transformers movies were, in every conceivable way. But when you hold this movie up to Transformers (both of them being in the same vein – big dumb summer blockbusters featuring lots of special effects) Pacific Rim is SO much better. So many of your complaints against Transformers were handled much better here, yet you didn’t even acknowledge most of them. Which is weird, because even I was watching this movie saying “This is so much better than Transformers, I bet Spoony will hate the stereotypical scientist characters and love the rest of it.” The fact that you’re nit-picking it to death makes me think that you just went into it wanting to tear it down, or you’re just in a lousy mood.
Wow you guys seem more butt hurt than Spoony lol. So what he had a few nitpicks he even said they were nitpicks and other things he said are legitimate. Really there is no real characters in this movie that will be remembered or monsters for Jaegers for that matter. It was a just another run of the mill blockbuster you go out to kill a friday night with your friends and have fun that’s it. A lot the comments act like this is a freaking Oscar Nominee lol. I’ll say did I have fun yea ,was it the best thing ever no it had alot of flaws and i agree the comic relief was terrible. The only thing i really didn’t agree on was the score I thought it was fine. But you guys are like Spoony is some grinch and hates everything. He thought the movie was o.k get over and that what it was it wasn’t the best thing ever and probably won’t even be the best of the summer. Like most of my friends who like big dumb explosiony summer flicks you guys who are bashing spoony probably won’t even remember this film in a years time till you catch it on netflix or Tbs and be like cool I got 2 hours to kill on a thursday night why not and that is it that is this movie. So yea I know i’m gonna hate but that is my two cents but like Iron man 3 I enjoyed that doesn’t mean it is perfect with no blemish just because you had fun doesn’t mean you should get mad at someone who didn’t have as much fun as you lol.
Worst review ever. Not because you didn’t like it, but because your “reasons” are awful and stupid.
I loves Miles’ expression of baffled bemusement to how much Noah disliked the score.
After watching, I have no clue why people are getting so angry at Spoony. From every review I’ve read/seen, the one constant is that the characters are one note stereotypes, even from people who really loved the movie. Really, what I’ve taken from this review is that the movie could have used more giant robot fights, more giant robot diversity, and less time spent on “developing” one note characters; and I agree with that. And hell, the movie can still be enjoyable with all of these flaws, but be honest; I bet each and every one of you would have loved to see more giant robot fights and more diversity in the giant robots.
Careful now, it sounds like you actually paid attention to the review. That’s dangerous.
It kinda comes down to fanboy nerdrage. Also, Spoony actually responds to these people on Twitter so they’re even more motivated to act like shitcocks.
That is true. I bet they also skipped over the part where he said that the action was perfect, pretty much nullifying all of their arguments as that is all they wanna focus on for the movie.
It doesn’t help either that Spoony acts like a prick in twitter, just reading a few of his posts is enough to make you blood boil….
I dunno, I find it kind of charming when he’s like that.
Well Spoony first of all the only reason people attack you in these reviews is because it’s your site.
Now with that out of the way I will say I agree with Spoony to a degree, the characters are not very developed and I feel like there was this Evangelion level try with the story plot that really went no where and was not even nearly as complex, this is coming from a guy who didn’t really love Evangelion either.
I don’t really see the Evangelion comparison. Shinji was an aimlessly little annoying fuckwad who bitched and moaned about everything. Pacific Rim’s lead’s biggest hangup was “holy shit my brother got fucking killed while I was connected to him” which is far more understandable. Honestly, Eva’s “characters” are even more fucking awful than Pacific Rim’s and we have to spend an unfortunately huge amount of time with a lot of annoying, one note asshole in that series. At least in Pacific Rim the one note the characters have doesn’t make me hope they get squashed by a monster or punched in the throat hard enough that they stop talking.
People keep saying “Evangelion” because of the neural link to the machine. It’s not enough to carry a comparison, but there you have it. -_-
That’s because most of these “fans” don’t realize that super robots with neural links have been a genre staple since the late 70s.
I don’t see what’s so offensive about this review. He’s not saying anything that tons of other critics aren’t already saying. Most everyone critically agrees that this is a really fun movie with monomolecular thin characters. The only people really truly hating on it are emotionally dead grandpas and pretentious cocksucking hipsters. Hell, even Spoony was getting visibly kinda hype when talking about the robot fights and half his criticism was “man, I wanted more robots punching stuff.” When one of the worst things you can say about a movie is “I want more of that shit” that’s not really a bad thing.
All the hating on this vlog is just that Spoony isn’t sucking the movie’s dick and declaring it the second coming of Mechajesus. Aka, fanboy nerdrage. I fucking adore Pacific Rim and am about to go open a package with the Series 7″ toys for it so yeah, I fucking love the movie, but even I can stand back and admit it could use some work character wise.
I think the problem is not exactly -what- he is saying but -how- he is saying it and -why-.
It’s the feeling that what we got here is less about Noah’s opinion on the actual movie and more about him trying his hardest to justify his preconceived dislike for the movie which have been hanging in the air for a while (seriously, I can hardly remember a movie Vlog this year where he didn’t make fun of the movie’s title for arbitrary reasons).
It wasn’t a really bad Vlog per se (at lest this time I could hear what he and Miles were talking about over Oreo’s squeaky toy), but it just highlighted some of Noah’s worst tendencies.
So the movie is dumb but okay, with some fun fight scenes? Sounds like a lot of the other reviews out there. This is not revolutionary. Go see the movie. Chill the fuck out.
i don’t know spoony’s criticisms made sense to me
“Name a deep and complex character in a Godzilla movie…” ~ Miles
*raises hand* I can!
Believe it or not, I think there are plenty of deep and complex characters in several different Godzilla films. Granted, they’re not the norm and they’re spread out through many different Godzilla films, but they still exist. For example, Doctor Serizawa in the very first Godzilla film creates the Oxygen Destroyer, the most powerful weapon that the planet has ever seen and could be used to kill Godzilla. However, Serizawa sees the dangers of this weapon and how it could be even more deadly than the Atomic Bomb if it falls out of his hands. Therefore, he has to choose whether or not to use the Oxygen Destroyer or not. To save mankind by killing the giant monster, or to save mankind by not introducing it to the most deadly weapon ever.
Another is the human villain from “Mothra vs. Godzilla,” Kumayama. He initially starts out as this guy only interested in profiting off of Mothra’s egg, but we find out later that he’s working underneath this even bigger corporate asshole who keeps stiffing Kumayama on the money. He does his absolute best and even invest every cent he has to the cause of Mothra’s egg, to make it the biggest tourist attraction in Japan. Normally, he would just be some underling who says yes to the guy above him. But the writers give him just enough character to where he begins to question the cause and even assaults his boss when Godzilla’s attack causes no one to show up to Mothra’s egg. Kumayama, to me, represents the frustration of those who try their best to support a cause, only to find out that this particular cause isn’t really worthy. There is certainly more to him than meets the eye.
The final characters I’ll talk about here are Katsura and Doctor Mafune from “Terror Of MechaGodzilla.” Doctor Mafune had actually discovered one of the greatest scientific discoveries of our time in finding Titanosaurus and actually learning how to control him. But he was shunned by his superiors and his research ruined. It wasn’t until the much more powerful and ambitious space aliens approached him, saying that they could make his dream a reality that he decided to do something about it. Suddenly, he had the power to crush those who couldn’t see his vision. He turned cold and hateful on humanity, except to one person, his daughter Katsura. Katsura was so dedicated to her father’s vision that she sacrificed her life to it. One of their experiments went wrong, and it would have normally killed Katsura, but instead the aliens save her life…but turn her into an emotionless cyborg. Suddenly, Mafune sees what his work has done and what it means to actually care for someone, even if it was too late. As for Katsura, she has one moment near the end (in the Japanese version only, sadly enough) where she realizes everything that she has done by controlling both Titanosaurus and MechaGodzilla to destroy Japan for these aliens. Suddenly, she gains her humanity back and wants to stop the destruction. Unfortunately, the only way to do that is to destroy the controls to MechaGodzilla…which are inside of her. So what does she do? She shoots herself. All for the greater good, which the aliens and her father spoke of earlier. To me, both Doctor Mafune and Katsura are probably some of the most well written characters in the entire franchise.
Now, I understand the argument that there are no well written characters in the Godzilla franchise. That the focus has and always will be the giant monster battles and that’s why people watch the films. Personally, I disagree with that sentiment. I feel that there are several Godzilla films that are incredibly well written and have just as good human moments as they do monster scenes. And I don’t just mean the 1954 Japanese film. I mean films like “Mothra vs. Godzilla”, “Godzilla vs. The Sea Monster”, “Son Of Godzilla”, “Terror Of MechaGodzilla”, “Ghidrah, The Three-Headed Monster” and the Japanese version of “King Kong vs. Godzilla.” And those are just some that come to mind. I’ll admit that I look at these films in a different light than most people do, but I feel it’s a light that works and makes these films look like more than just your typical giant monster movie. These films had substance to them, as well as staying-power. And I love them for doing that.
Let me guess about the twist: We are the aliens?
I have to agree with Noah on the score. It didn’t carry that giant monster vibe at all, and it wasn’t even that memorable. Compare it with any Godzilla movie or the music in the 90’s Gamera trilogy, and it doesn’t really hold up (and if any of you haven’t yet seen the Gamera trilogy, drop what you’re doing and go buy it right this instant. The first one is really good, the second is VERY good, and the 3rd is better than most, if not ALL, the best Godzilla movies.
I’ll DISagree with Noah on the comic relief characters (aside from Herman, the math guy. He was awful). I liked the biology guy and Ron Perlman, though.
What makes Mako’s freak-out scene even worse is that they even mentioned that they had a simulator (in which Mako won 51/51 or something like that), so you’d think they’d have a way to test out whether she could synch with Ralieh and work co-op in simulated combat BEFORE putting her in the actual jaeger.
And while I did think the 2nd act was okay, I would have liked it better if they could have taken that time to show us what the Chinese and Russian jaegers had brought to the table, rather than just saying that they were the best of the best and then having them instantly killed off by the first Catagory IV kaiju.
I seriously don’t get this. If this was a videogame, even if this was even a TV show – every one would be giving Pacific Rim so much shit that it wouldn’t be funny. Nothing happens in the film even on a subtle level thats over the head.
So what? Are you saying the film even needed to have that much depth?
No, but a 2 hour+ film with a straight forward plot could’ve had decent enough pacing. I liked the film though. It’s a great action film, just not a great movie in other aspects.
I’m not disagreeing with you. My point is that having more depth wasn’t actually necessary. If anything, Pacific Rim felt like a primer for Western audiences for the entire genre.
Keeping it at that childlike level served that purpose more than anything else could have.
Everyone seems to agree they somewhat wasted opportunities to show us how the other Jaegers were different. I mean, a three-armed robot is pretty cool and according to the script and supplemental material, CHERNO CAN FUCKING SHOOT LIGHTNING AND HAS TESLA FISTS! That is awesome. And yet we don’t see that in the movie.
Yeah, that was my one and only problem with the movie,
Crimson and Cherno jobbed way too fast….
(hope del Toro has extra footage for these in the Blu-ray)
This is a fair review, and I’m not sure why Noah’s getting so much hate. The overall criticisms aren’t any different from the ones in AngryJoe’s review or from the press–even the positive reviews.
With that said, I would respectively disagree with two points. First, I would say that different Jaegers do have distinct identities and do give hints about their fighting style. I will agree that more of the other Jaegers fighting would have improved things, as I really think that the Russian and especially the Chinese Jaegers got shortchanged. As two of the last four Jaegers in existence, they are by definition badass, and it really sucks that the only time we see them is in a fight against two kaiju that seem specially designed to kill Jaegers.
Secondly, I would say that I really enjoyed the score (minus the rap in the credits). Gipsy’s theme felt heroic, and I got some major Godzilla vibes from the kaiju themes. But, to each his own.
Noah’s getting so much hate because people automatically assume he’s bashing the movie. His audience is a bit irrational at times like with the complaints on Oreo and her squeaky toys (no matter what they’ll always bitch about her). He simply pointed out the movie’s flaws but praised it’s fight scenes and even asked for more; like when he wanted to be shown the scope of the destruction of the Kaiju attacks.
The hate does remind me much of the ‘nostalgia trolling’ where some fans comment about “liking the old spoony better”. But I also feel spoony’s hate on the title only increased the amount of backlash from the fans of the movie. For example, Spoony bashes the title so much everyone assumes he’s going to bash the movie or outright hate it.
As for the title, yes, Noah went a bit overboard and I think I came up with an even better title: Pacific Titans? Something like that.
You know what? This review and Angry Joe’s is what made me want to watch it. It’s good to have two reviews, one positive and one negative, to point out the flaws but at the same time focus on it’s strengths (non spoilers of course). So I think I can appreciate Spoony (and Angry Joe) for that.
I do largely agree with your points although I still quite liked the
film. One note characters aren’t necessarily a bad thing if they’re played with
well enough and I’d argue that a few of these do alright, though a lot of them
are just there. The scientists annoyed the hell out of them because they just
felt like way too much. I agree that I can’t buy them at all as real people and
what irritates me is that I actually found aspects of the science being talked
about interesting. Ron Perlman’s character could have been written completely
out with a few adjustments with little lost.
And apparently Del Toro cut an hour of material that was devoted to the
character’s arcs, but wanted to whittle it down to the bare minimum with their
characters. Which may or may not have been a good thing since it probably would
have meant even more time till we got to the fights.
The bit with the Wall of Life was completely stupid and I really would
have liked to hear more on what the idea with that was because it didn’t feel
they were giving much of a good reasoning behind it
The bit about not having some sort of Drift Test Chamber baffled me
when I thought on it later as well. And I’ll totally agree with Miles about the
lighting not being too great and I wish we could have had one either in the day
or with just more lighting.
I did think that the world itself was built pretty well with a lot of
interesting touches thrown in that I really liked though as was said it isn’t
really brought up too much. I could also have gone more for seeing past
examples of Kaiju attacks as well as how all our Jaegers were whittled down to
just four. The prologue could have been expanded I think.
Totally right about not giving enough time to the other Jaegers pilots.
I really think the film could have benefited from another, earlier attack that
showcased the abilities of the other pilots with Gypsy Danger not even involved
since they get their time to shine enough later on.
Regarding the score, I think there are a couple songs that convey a
little more of the older feel, but not too many felt that way and were a bit
off as was pointed out.
Oh, and Seventh Son is based on a book series known as The Spook’s
Apprentice in the UK and The Last Apprentice in the US. And is also completely
different in pretty much every respect from the movie shown in the trailer.
What I have to say about the whole thing with testing and the failing fail-safe: Did he not hear when they said that they are not getting any more funding? That some shady guy gives them money? I am sure they had to cut some things when they have to repair Jeagers.
Also something about the characters: If they hadn’t shown the characters and had them develop a little bit, everyone would have bitched about that. So now, everyone bitches about not enough robot fights.
Of course they mentioned aftereffects and the black market, they tried to make this as “realistic” as possible.
It’s called not being able to win. Nitpicking has become the new competitive sport, and it’s less about movies actually being good or bad, and more about who can point out the most flaws. We’ve rapidly degenerated into a culture where negativity is the norm, and people go to experience entertainment, not for the entertainment, but to see how fast they can tear something down.
That’s not to say there aren’t bad movies. They are.
My sister and I used to go see movies together all the time when I was younger, and she told me something that’s stuck with me till tihs very day: Often, the most fun movies are only 2-2.5 stars. Sometimes you just want to sit back, and be ENTERTAINED. We must have seen Speed and Indepence Day 7-8 times each in the theatres when they were out. Yeah, they were corny. Yeah, they were cheesy. We both knew it. And they were still FUN.
I’ve managed to keep that mindset over the years,and have enjoyed movies that Spoony, Cinema Snob, and Nostalgia Critic have acted like they were unholy abominations. And while I can see where some of their points come from, often times, it’s because they’re so obsessed with trivial minutae and second-guessing the script that I’ve come to believe they’ve all lost sight of something important:
That’ its okay to like something just because it’s fun.
I’ve seen a good amount of movies Noah has actually liked. There are things about movies he simply can’t get past.
It is okay to like something just because it’s fun but it’s also okay to like something just because it’s stupid.
When you complain about the nitpicks it’s more like the nitpicks are just the extra weight that causes a collapse. The real major reasons are the stupid characters and plot holes.
Yes, and no.
Don’t mean to pick on Spoony here. I was trying to keep that whole thing general to a degree. But one of his vlog comments stuck with me.
Back with Tron: Legacy, one bit I explicitly recall him ranting about was how Garrett Hadlund’s character was *instantly* master of the games. It wasn’t a throwaway bit. Her ranted on it at length.
Yet, when I saw the movie, I saw only two games. The disc contest and the cycle race. in the first, he was clearly outmatched. He acknowledges he’s in trouble. He wins his first two matches through a combination of luck and reflexes. It’s always a close call. Then Rinzler cleans his clock.
Later, in the cycle race, eh comments that THIS was a game he knew how to play. And yes, he did fairly good at it. With help from two programs. And he still LOST.
At no point was the guy made out to be a superior gamesman, and in fact, he only kept surviving by outside intervention (first CLU and later Quora). Yet, apparently Spoony watched a VERY different version of those scenes than I did, because he couldn’t seem to let go on how the main character just DOMINATED those games he couldn’t possibly have physically known how to play.
I started noticing that trend continuing, with many of these internet critics. It wasn’t simply a matter of “i liked it, you didn’t”, many of them were literally taking away things that weren’t there, while glossing over stuff that clearly smoothed over the bits that annoyed them. It bugged me, because I couldn’t understand why this group of people were consistently missing the point. Some of them, some of the time, sure, but this summer has been especially egregious.
It’s gotten to the point, if I didn’t know better, I’d swear they were releasing different drafts and cuts to different theatres. Ultimately, I arrived at the conclusion that (forgive me for saying this, as its incredibly presumptuous of me) they’ve started taking this all far too seriously, and like many great fictional character in many morality plays, they’ve lost sight of what got them in the game in the first place: because they LIKED stuff.
Now it just seems everyone wants to HATE everything. I mean, most remakes of classic properties are intentionally set up to spoof or outright mock their original source material, and they expect us all to just don our hipster glasses, and go along with it, as if we’re ashamed to admit we once liked something silly and entertaining.
I’m just tired of it, and I hope this trend ends one day.
That’s the point though. It’s just a luck. A good movie would back it more strongly.
Again, I agree. Big Trouble in Little China is a cult classic and I loved it.
But I got the feeling, if it were released today, all these critics would turn their noses up at it, and rant about how Kurt Russell wasn’t the main character and he had no business being the lead, and how stupid and even borderline racist it was sideline Wang for this jackass?
Then the’yd go on and rant about racist carcicatures with Shen and Lo Pan, and it would become so quickly apparent about how they all just MISSED THE BLOODY POINT.
That’s why I loved the movie: “It was FUN.”
“I liked the movie but I have a few problems with it”
DAMN YOU SPOONY MUST YOU HATE EVERYTHING!!!!111!!!!1
Seeing Gypsy in the back gave me a mental image of a giant jaeger with her head piloted by Joel and Mike.
I like Noah, but he doesn’t seem like someone I would ever wanna go to the movies with. He’s kind of a downer.
Agreed. So far he’s hated just about every fun movie this summer, and for the flimsiest of reasons. Fortunately, his movie vlogs are not why I visit this site, and nor do I require him to agree with me to like his real work. Not implying you do. Just stating.
I dunno if not liking characters is the flimsiest of reasons.
If you don’t visit the site to see his movie vlogs, you’re out of luck. Because he doesn’t do anything else. Besides moan about how ‘busy’ or ‘sick’ he is.
Not really. I still like Counter Monkey and his occassional non-Final-Fantasy reviews. But yeah, this site isn’t the Must-Check-Daily!!!!! site it once was.
I know right??? But what if he really did like the movie, but he is pretending to hate it just to start a flame war in his comments and on his twitter? Why? Because he gets off on it! :/
Josh Hadley would hate it too.
Josh Hadley? Hate? NAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWW.
Not everyone is going to love what is essentially a live-action robot vs monsters anime, but I absolutely love Pacific Rim; I’ve seen it twice now in theaters, and I plan to see it again. It really is one of those rare movies where you can tell an AMAZING amount of work was put into the production by everyone involved, and it hits all the right notes for the genre. I never would have guessed a film like this would actually get made, but I’m so glad it did.
I shit ton of work and hours were put into Transformers, 2, and 3.
Yes, though in the case of Transformers 2 it all came out to a dog’s Breakfast; Bay himself admitted that Transformers 2 was a complete mess.
As true as that may be it wasn’t really my point. One crazy person can put a ton of time into making something and it may just not work.
That is a fair point. With Pacific Rim though, in my opinion, del Toro did bring all the elements together well. I actually think it’s one of the best entries in this genre because it finds a happy balance between plot characters and action, but your mileage may vary.
That’s fair too but you bring up the exact point of Spoony’s. In this genre. A great genre movie is okay, but how about, make it into a great movie?
Well, it’s the only movie this year I’m planning to see for a third time, so does that count? I suppose that’s how one can measure the success of this film; it’s not going to be Citizen Kane (there, I did it Spoony!), but del Toro seems to have done everything he intended to do; he wanted to make a great escapist fantasy about giant robots and monsters, and while that’s not going to be high on everybody’s list of favourite films, for people like me who love that stuff it’s a real treat, and certainly one of the best.
So, I suppose I really don’t have an answer about whether or not it’s a great film, or even what can make a blocbuster be considered a great film. It’s not a dramatic masterpiece, but it is every 10 year old’s fantasy fight scenario made into a big budget movie. I suppose that counts for something.
I know people who have seen Man of Steel 8 times and I would too if I had the budget.
Wasn’t The Dark Knight a blockbuster? A great film? And received Oscars?
I liked Man of Steel too (though Pacific Rim is my personal favourite this summer).
I haven’t seen PR (HAH), as I have said many times, but being a giant comic fan, I’d prob be a bit biased, and if it came down to it, I’d go with Man of Steel. Keep in mind I have 3+ boxes of comics and have given up on the Japanese (seriously, outside of SHONEN, what has been good, not passable, to the masses, besides Cowboy, in the last 10 years? Do not get me wrong, I have watched good anime and read good manga since, but none ground breaking outside of Shonen (One Piece, which flipped off all DBZ wannabes and took it one step further)
So you are running all over these discussions bashing the movie even though you haven’t even seen it. Sounds legit. -.-
I know right, opinions may vary, and you’re very composed, as any normal should be, but some people…
I’m on your side Spoony, speaking of the robots being unimpressive, my friend complained from the moment he saw them and when we got home we sat down and turned on armor core 4 and opened up our rifts books. They are STOLEN! its like “Lets slap a sticker and a 3rd arm onto one, there we go totally original”. Also, when it comes to characters death having no impact its, cause every problem is Immediately brought into its climax or resolution. We meet these other pilots, they die before we hear a line of dialog from them. EMP hits, oh well this one is analog. The commander can never step into a giant mech again, the very next scene he is getting into one! The only thing they tried to hold off and keep a mystery, really just leaves you saying “Why would he hide this?” Its strange, cause I think the error to this film is they tried to make plot at this point. they might as well have made it all giant robots and monsters with a little this and that in between…… ALSO if they build these fucking kiju why was that one pregnant!? Did they build it pregnant? What was with the office clacker balls in the middle of a giant robot fight? If they have the time to enact Kiju boarder patrol, why can’t they use their giant robots to make more robots at a faster pace? If the level 5 Kiju is such a huge threat why did it pretty much get immediately killed? Kind of a pussy it seems. Where was the mark 4 Jauger? If the mark 5 Jaeger is so awesome why does it get knocked out of commission instantly every battle to just blow itself up as its only tactical plan? Why was the commander hiding that he saved the Japanese girl? Why does Hansen hate Becket so much? Is he offended by well experienced veterans who have a clear motivation for why they fight? Why is the commander hiding that he saved the Japanese girl?
If you dont want to watch all 50min of Spoonys Review I created a transcript:
“MIMIMIMIMIMIMIMIMIM THE MOVIE SUCKS BECAUSE I WANT IT TO SUCK MIMIMIMIMIMIMI IM A WHINY LITTLE BITCH MIMIMIMIMIMIMIMIMI”
Um, that’s not what he said. He said “I have problems with the movie, but it wasn’t bad.”
I hate to agree with this comment, but thats pretty much it, this is a great movie! So maybe Spoony just doesn’t know a good movie when he see’s one?
I think the title just bothered him too much, and he never got over it. If Spoony was capable of getting over things, he wouldn’t have a website.
He said the movie was okay. What part of listening do you find so difficult?
Never thought I’d love a simple tennis ball.
Miles, you are everybody’s hero on this! You are right to, this movie is amazing! And to Spoony, one word: BE-TRAYAL!!!!
Miles never said it was amazing, just that he liked it, and Spoony even said it was okay. He’s looking at it objectively, not just as someone who wants to see robots fighting. I bet he’d say it was closer to Transformers than Transformers was, and if this was what Transformers was (replacing with Deceptions and no humans but have the Transformers have the goofy backgrounds) it’d be a great Transformers movie, but the characters could still be sub-par and uninspired. Notices faults of a movie does not mean one hates a movie.
The characters where fucking great and stayed true to its Anime roots! Im getting real sick and tired of you non anime idiots around here!
Wow you’re ignorant. Not only do you assume that I don’t like anime or that I’ve never seen an anime, but that we have to all like anime? It’s not the damn point. Some people don’t like that and you call betrayal because of taste? That’s really a niche thing to begin with.
Who the hell do you think you are? I was simply stating the quickest reference point to why its good and why you and spoony are wrong about the movie and are to mentally blocked to get it.
no, wait, fuck all that noise, im not going to go into to great detail of why you and spoony are wrong in not liking this and being border line retarded about it. Its like this now:
Im glad you dont like this movie, because its not for you, its for us, guys who grew up with and love anime, its not made for everybody, becuase if it was, it would just be a sloppy sell out mess, there are a lot of people in the world SO YOU EITHER TRY TO PLEASE EVERYBODY AND FAIL, OR YOU STAY SPECIFIC AND ON POINT WITH A TARGET AUDIANCE OF ANIME FANS AND SAY FUCK EVERYBODY ELSE AND MAKE ONE OF THE GREATEST MOVIE OF ALL TIME, LIKE PICK YOUR FAVORITE MOVIE OF ALL TIME AND I BET PEOPLE HATE IT BECAUSE ITS NOT FOR THEM, STAR WARS IS NOT FOR EVERY BODY, LORD OF THE RINGS IS NOT FOR EVERYBODY, THE FIRST MATRIX MOVIE IS NOT FOR EVERY BODY, AND THE BEST OF THE BEST MOVIES ALIENATE SOME PEOPLE AND SAY FUCK A LOT OF PEOPLE IN ORDER TO MAKE GREATNESS.
IN OTHER WORDS, YOU DONT LIKE IT BECAUSE IT WASNT MADE FOR YOU, IT WAS MADE FOR ME, SO NA-NA-NUH-BOO-BOO, STICK YOUR HEAD IN DO-DO AND SUCKS TO BE YOU DUDE! IF I MAY BE COMPLETELY AND TOTALLY CHILDISH FOR A MOMENT.
SO TO ANSWER YOU QUESTION, YES, YOU HAVE TO LIKE ANIME TO FULLY ENJOY THIS MOVIE, AND IF YOU MISSED OUT ON ANIME, THEN SUCKS TO BE YOU DICKHEAD, THIS MOVIE ISNT FOR YOU, AND THANK GOD FOR THAT! THANK GOD THIS MOVIE DOESNT TRY TO APPEAL TO EVERYONE AND GET EVERYONE TO LIKE IT.
LONG STORY SHORT: “THIS MOVIE IS FOR ANIME FANS ONLY, EVERYONE ELSE, TO BAD FOR YOU AND FUCK OFF!”
OR EVEN: “-C’YA, WOULDN’T WANNA BE YA, NON-ANIME LIKING LOSER!”
I haven’t even seen the movie. I’m just explaining to you how one could have a different opinion. I refuse to read past the second line of this b/s btw.
Just go and watch the movie already.
I haven’t seen the movie but ever since I saw the first advertisement I have wondered how these giant mechs came to be, especially if it was after the first attack. How did they have the time before being ran over? Does the movie explain this at all?
You cant be serious. Ofcourse the movie explains its self, through out the whole film! this it takes place Several Years to decades after the first attack and puts you right in the action of experienced Jaeger Pilot’s defending the world from these interdimensional/alien invaders! Second of all, how are you missing out on this movie? Go see it as soon as possible to see why people are so upset at spoony in these comments before you go around blindly defending him! After you see how great and amazing the movie is, you will also see why a lot of people think he’s being fake in the video for attention and comments and doesn’t really hate it at all!
I can be serious because I never saw the movie.
I am not blindly defending him. I am telling you what he means, not if he’s right or wrong. Opinion means he can think one thing is stupid and you may enjoy it. It’s the great thing of being human.
Ya know, the real problem here is Spoony comes off as anti anime and almost every point he made against the story and characters he had me screaming at him in the video: “JUST LIKE IN AN ANIME!” or “WHAT YOU’VE NEVER SEEN AN ANIME BEFORE?” Maybe Sage should review this film, Sage and Spoony’s brother Miles, but not Spoony! #betrayedbyspoonyinthisreview
Who exactly is he betraying? He’s not running a religion or defending a dogma here, although from your reaction it seems that you might be. If you like the movie, that’s great. If it’s as amazing as you think it is, then it will survive someone else saying that it’s good, but not great. Your life does not depend on this film.
And anime is a medium and not a genre. Enough already.
Different Page? Fuck, Spoony seems to be in another world altogether.
The real problem here is that Pacific Rim is based on many different Anime’s and I dont think Spoony knows anything at all about anime, AT ALL! I’m kind of disappointed at this review :/
The real problem here is that you’re getting too upset about one guy’s opinion.
I’m convinced, your a full blown retard now. YOU THINK ONE MAN’S OPINION ISNT IMPORTANT OR OR DOESN’T MATTER? HUH?
EVER HEAR OF MARTIN LUTHER KING JR.? EVER HEARD OF JESUS FUCKING CHRIST?
EVER HEARD OF FUCKING HITLER????
ONE MANS VOICE AND OPINION CAN CHANGE THE WORLDS OPINION FOREVER, ESPECIALLY SOMEWHAT FAMOUS ONE’S LIKE SPOONY’S! I WANT TO SEE MORE OF THESE MOVIES, AND ALL IT TAKES IS ONE DICK HEAD TO SAY HE DOESN’T LIKE IT TO KEEP MORE AWESOME MOVIES LIKE THIS FROM GETTING MADE. TRUST ME, I KNOW, IM A PROFESSIONAL!
You do realize those were very important people speaking for a group of people with very important world changing decisions.
Did you really just compare MLK Jr. to Spoony and his views on Pacific Rim?
Ya god damn right *continue’s drinking his beer to drown away the betrayal of spoony’s pacific rim review*
*continues drinking his whiskey because he’s a man*
A Japanese mech woulda been way too expected and thus would have been had to of been done way too well.
I agree that pacific rim was ok. I was excited at a few points that something awesome was gonna happen, then got disappointed when the movie didnt follow thru. its a good start for hollywood to recreate super robot anime. Hopefully the next one will build on its success & take it to the next level. There’s plenty of source material to choose from dudes.
I want a Gundam Wing or the long awaited AND almost promised Neon Genesis. How to do that movie? Drop the emo young adult shit. People say it can’t truly be done but just drop that and focus on the crazy dad and angels. No one wants the emo anyways.
Spoony, I understand hating something before going into it (and if you really don’t believe you had a shred of bias then you are just as delusional as you always were), but this is on a different level. You’re comments were valid (if not a bit ham-fisted),but your air of utter snobiness and self-inflation was so disgusting it made my brain vomit. As someone who likes series with huge plot holes, such as highlander, Ultima, and Wing Commander, I really find it surprising your suspension for disbelief is nonexistent for this film.
That’s Spoony though and a lot of the time I feel he only does it to convey how serious he is and how he will ham-fist his points. This is his show and he doesn’t want people to think Miles is changing his opinion. That’s my take but whatever. In either case, calling him delusional is going a bit far considering this an opinion on a movie, not an opinion on, say, why sexism can be a good thing.
Sexism is a great thing! It keeps wemon being wemon and not big burly lesbian wannabe men, without sexism all weman would just want to be men and play football, go without shaving, workout, grow a beard, have sex with other wemon(lesbian style), and wear pants and tennyshoes instead of dresses and high heels. All wemon and girls as we know it would disappear from the face of the earth, and all that would be hairy butch and burly lesbian types, no thank you! I like girls, and hope they never disappear like that, sexism, keeps wemon wemon, wearing makeup and perfume and sexy clothes!
Now sexism works both ways, it also keeps guys straight and awesome! Wemon want guys, not girly moma boys! Sexism keeps men as guys and not girly boys!
Sexism is only labeled as a dirty word or a bad thing by my mortal enemy’s: “feminist’s” ughghg *shudders and cringes a little*
No, no, you missed the point. Again. The assignment wasn’t to give your beliefs on why sexism is good, but why it can be good. It’s much deeper than a shallow connection to lesbians.
What the hell is a “Wemon”? Ever hear of spell check?
You guys fail at noticing sarcasm so hard it is funny by itself.
I’m being an asshole? I think it’s kind of assholey to misquote people and hate on one for it and praise the other for it while exaggerating both. In the least it’s a stupid thing to do.
Spoony, you fucking idiot.
You’re the first hater who made me laugh. Then again, it could be Batman or it could be the whiskey. Probably both.
I get a lot of where Noah’s coming from – the core of the movie is great, but the characterization takes a bit too long to establish for what we get. But what’s really too bad is that a lot of the potentially awesome missing plot elements got nudged into the official backstory (including two Japanese Jaegers, though we see one in flashback). Del Toro may have gone a little too deep in making this emulate mecha anime by creating all this other material that’s barely mentioned in the actual film.
I wonder if the Tokyo attack scene might have been better at the beginning of the movie, in order to give us a clear definition of the stakes (although I was pretty happy with how quickly the movie got past the exposition). And as fantastic as Ron Perlman is, I would have much rather seen him as one of the pilots and cut out a good part of the black market subplot.
I blame Lucas. Really. All this extra shit spin-offs from movies got big after Star Wars being shit. So people figure, why bother being great at our craft when we can cheat and use other people’s?
So let me get this straight, everyone’s main complaint is that Spoony didn’t like this film, therefore he sucks, correct? What I don’t get is that for past month he’s been telling everyone how he has no interest in seeing this movie what-so-ever, that he is in fact going to hate it, and when he finally gives a review everyone is surprised that he doesn’t like it and they hate him for not liking it. My question is, if you knew he wasn’t going to like the movie already then why are you watching this review and getting pissed off? I was actually surprised that there were parts of it he did like, but to simply hate on him for not liking something he doesn’t want to see in the first place is really pathetic. That’s like hating someone who enjoys cartoon movies like Despicable Me because they didn’t like the latest Texas Chainsaw Massacre flick. It’s just not his type of movie, that’s all. Look if you enjoyed the movie great, but don’t hate on someone who wasn’t interested in the first place and then gives legitimate reasons for his opinion. I’ve watched him tear apart movies that I’ve enjoyed and yet I keep coming back for his opinion because I respect it. If you don’t care for his opinion then don’t watch, it’s that simple. As for Spoony and Miles, keep up the good work you guys, I really enjoy your reviews. Your polar opposite opinions on certain movies are the reason your reviews are interesting and so much fun.
Do you follow him on Twiiter? I don’t. Well, I do, but fuck Twitter.
He didn’t even really dislike it. He was just “meh” about it altogether, praising one aspect and criticizing another. Some folks here see that as a compliment after his low expectations, but it seems that’s not good enough for others.
I know, right? I been trying to explain this in the vaguest way possible!
I really like his reviews, no matter if he likes a movie or not. My problem is that this review is a bit ‘meh’ itself. He’s analysing the movie, showing the pros and cons, but still somehow it.. lacks. I think it’s for the fact that he didn’t care for the film – this review just doesn’t grab my attention because the movie didn’t grab his. :(
Evidently the movie’s title required a rudimentary understanding of geography and international understanding to appreciate, so no wonder Spoony seems so flummoxed about it.
Dude man dude. The geography doesn’t matter. This isn’t a movie about fuckin Mt. Kilamonjawo or wtf ever. It’s a movie about robots and aliens. And robots and aliens fighting.
I received an A in college geology, btw. Top of the class.
So you probably know that most of the movie takes place in and around the Pacific Rim region.
No, I don’t, because I didn’t see it, but that’s not the point. The movie isn’t about the Pacific Rim and why it is so important to historic dating and seafloor mapping!
It’s about the countries around the Rim. It’s not a geological or geographical region, it’s geopolitical. And considering how much movies like “Cowboys & Aliens” and “Snakes on a Plane” bombed, I doubt Guillermo Del Toro wanted a movie with a corny, attention-grabbing title like that.
Plus the movie was made with an international audience squarely in mind, and “Pacific Rim” is probably extremely easy to translate, both linguistically and culturally.
Good points. And now I suddenly wonder of the Chinese release is going to get reedited so their signature Jaeger doesn’t die like a total bitch.
I think they’ll respond well to the main female character being Chinese/Hong Konger. Certainly more than Iron Man 3’s clumsy re-editing.
She was Japanese ;3
That was kind of the joke there, that they would re-edit the movie so that she would be a Chinese/Hong Konger for the Chinese market…
I’m pretty sure the international cooperation was important, and so the film’s title represents it. It isn’t called “America Punches Monsters”.
That’s the point I never thought thought of. But then again, why isn’t Japan in the movie?
Well with Hong Kong, China, Russia, Australia and America, it was getting pretty crowded. Plus “Kaiju” is a Japanese word, and the entire movie is pretty much a homage to Japanese movies. Hideo Kojima called it “The ultimate otaku film”.
All good defending points, but not a reason to like the movie, nor a reason it’s good, nor a reason to defend how it is currently not doing so well in the box office.
How many Americans know about geology, geography, and Otaku? It’s statisticly a fact that over 30% of Americans do not know the first 3 presidents. I am being generous because I believe those statistics may be a bit biased.
It’s made $100 million after only being out for a week, and it hasn’t even opened in China yet. It’s Guillermo Del Toro’s highest-opening film to date, so I’d say it’s doing fantastically well, considering it had competed with a 3D cartoon and an Adam Sandler tentpole the same weekend.
And I did like the movie (loved it, in fact, even if the characterization was a bit flimsy and the pace WAY too frenetic), but considering I saw Spoony’s tirade about the title on Twitter the other evening, that’s more so what I’m on about.
It needs to make 400k to be a success. To put that into perspective, Man of Steel man 135 opening week and needed to make 200k to be a REAL success.
The robot piloted by Pentecost (Coyote Tango) was japanese, so I’m guessing Pentecost was the co-pilot to a japanese dude. There WERE Japanese Jaeger, they are just trashed by the time the movie start.
Japan is the most important ally on the specefic rim for a handful of reasons, not to mention our agreement from WWII and their contribution to robotics.
I will take you all on! Because dude, man, dude…Charizard.
Big deal, Goliath can waste him.
The garg? How long did that series last?
It ran for three seasons, but it continued after cancellation with a comic series from Slave Labor Graphics, which was pretty sweet.
And Pokemon is on it’s 15th, with comics, and the reorganization that Charizard is one of the most influential characters of our gen.
Something that has been going on and on and on doesn’t mean it’s good, it just means it’s popular. Calvin and Hobbes only ran for a decade, and Blondie is still going after seven decades. A story with integrity knows when to end, instead of just getting more and more tired and ridiculous.
True, but stating facts means nothing to a history that is biased to longevity. Yes, Gargoyles spoke to a gen, but that’s it. It may be seen as a great, and I’d love my first red garg toy again, but that’s it. The one I had (I forget his name) but I am still waiting for that 1st ED Charizard. I want him on my death bed. There is a 2nd ed one at my New England Comics, and he’d hold me. When I was in the 4th grade and I saw Charmander evolve into Charmeleon, and then again, into Charizard, as pathetic as it may sound, I knew life was worth living. When I got that Blastoise and loved it, but not the Charizard, I knew life was worth living. Gargs entertained us. It was good. But it didn’t touch us the way Charizard did. You’ve tried to move on, but I say, trek true, fan, trek true. Maybe it wasn’t Charizard. Maybe it was Augumond. But these bastards were our intro into anime, and if not, I am not speaking too you. If you came newer, fuck. If you came earlier, with the older gundams, okay. If you liked Thundercats and He-man and Voltron, okay. But don’t tell me Gargs were your first. I can’t relate.
That’s kid talk.
You tell me your first intro was to adult oriented anime, like Bebop, fine. Adult comics like Sin City, fine.
“And not a single fu-” Ah, not worth it.
I should probably comment on the actual review itself.
While I loved this movie and thought all of the elements came together brilliantly, I appreciate and understand Spoony’s criticisms, even when I don’t agree with all of them. Spoony’s not ‘the bad guy’ because he didn’t like a movie all that much (honestly, this film got a much better review from him than Iron Man 3, which I also liked). I do get annoyed when people make snide remarks without explaining what they mean, but even when Spoony is at his most snarky, he always backs up his opinions with actual reasons.
That said, I do disagree that the characters are all one dimensional; some certainly are, but the characters we focus on do have a bit of depth. For example, Chuck Hansen is ‘the jerk’ character, but we learn that he is the way he is because of his constant daddy issues with his father; an arc which actually does have a conclusion in the story. It’s not made into a big deal, because that would have distracted from the action that the audiences came to the movie to see, but it’s there and you can tell the script writers put actual thought into these characters beyond the archetypes they are designed to represent. I also thought the comic relief was funny, but that’s just my taste.
Actually, my main criticism of this movie is that, if anything, it’s too short; I would have liked to have seen more development for these characters, more action for certain Jaeger teams, and more character resolution. The Russian and Chinese Jaeger teams are introduced, but we don’t spend much time with them at all, which seemed like a missed opportunity. Likewise, I thought the film’s climax was a bit too brief, considering the epic fight scenes of the second act. I also really wanted to explore and learn more about the rather interesting setting. Del Toro did leave me wanting more, which I suppose can be viewed as a good thing too.
So, in summary, while I once again side more with Miles, I can understand and respect Spoony’s point of view. I hope del Toro gets to do a sequel, and I hope Spoony eventually finds a modern movie he can love as much as I love this one.
A bit of depth? That isn’t enough for a good movie. Passable, certainty. He passed it.
But, on the other hand, if there had been more focus on that character depth, while it might have increased the film’s dramatic weight, it would have taken more of the run time away from the fight scenes, which were the main spectacle.
To use another example from this genre, the film Gamera 3 is widely considered to be one of the best kaiju movies because of its emphasis on characterization and dramatic tension. Despite that, however, many fans were disappointed with the film because it really only has two big action scenes in a genre that is largely based around spectacle. I think del Toro faced the same challenge here; he needed to give the audience just enough characterization to make us care about the action scenes, but not too much or he’d run the risk of the audience getting restless. I think he balanced that rather well, but I do know a number of people didn’t connect with the characters.
That is not true. People have evolved past these “norms” so far, that simple one sentence ext changes in a niche movie like this, a la, The Dark Knight, can weight heavy. (although, I will give you, in some cases, even The Animates Series bested it…Alfred’s one line of Two-Face is GOLD. Batman: “He’s my best friend.” Alfred: “That’s why he’s most dangerous.” brilliant. It’s so fuckin deep it’s simplicity does it all. Yeah, there is more to Two-Face, but what does he mean to Bruce? He’s his best friend (so he considers, maybe not the other way—Bruce IS a loner) yet he as crossed him, Two-Faced him. Fuck.
I could argue, though, that Herc Hansen’s line to Stacker “that’s my son you’ve got there” is also a simple exchange that carries a great deal of weight, more so, in fact, than a longer scene might have under the same circumstances. When assessing if this film’s script is sloppy or lacking, I ultimately concluded that it was well above average; it’s efficient, and accomplishes exactly what it sets out to do, no more or less.
You brought up the Dark Knight, which is a great movie that you can say does more than the script intended, but in my opinion it also suffers from being overly wordy and exposition heavy at times, when compared to, say, the 1989 Tim Burton film. As the Nostalgia Critic pointed out, the 1989 film, while perhaps not as thought-provoking, ultimately has the tighter script; there is less redundancy and fewer exposition heavy scenes. If you can make your point with as little dialogue and exposition as possible, that’s generally what a writer should do.
No argument there. Originally I argued with fellow college students that I didn’t like the Dark Knight (until a 3rd seeing) because of how Alfred treated Bruce. But that’s the unique and realistic time line it is in.
Yes. YES. Burtons first Batman is actually the only Bat movie I own * you know how I said I had 3 boxed? one is Batman only, though) but still I see Nolan’s point. It was to explain Batman in as little words and as little complications and as little condescension as possible. Compares to DK, did PR do that? I know this sounds ignorant, but based on the trailers alone, I hardly believe it. Then knowing there is at least FOUR char focuses in ONE movie? No. OKAY it sounds, as you mention. You brought up DK after mentioning my comment of passing, but did not say it rivals it. What does that say, overall? That is Spoony’s point.
I should mention that the trailers are a bit misleading; there IS more to the film than what they suggest, which is simply a succession of giant robot action scenes.
Dark Knight is very much a character study that takes place in an action movie, and that’s not really what Pacific Rim’s script writers set out to do. According to del Toro, Pacific Rim was designed to create a world where these tremendous spectacle sequences could logically occur, and to make it seem like the characters were really struggling to stay alive. For that reason, Pacific Rim is written as an adventure movie (in del Toro’s own words), and the script does its best to explain as efficiently as possible everything the audience needs to know about the world, the setting, the menace, and the characters.
The way the Pacific Rim script treats characters is the ‘train station’ approach; we’re introduced to all of them in medias res, at a point in their lives when their relationships are all well defined. We don’t see how Mako grew up the way we saw Bruce grow up in Batman Begins, but we can tell from the performance and the dialogue everything we need to know about Mako. In the film’s story/art book, much of her backstory is revealed, but not all of it is relevant to the scenes in the film so it’s just there to be implied. In short, the character’s personal journey isn’t the focus of the script, but it does occur while the story progresses in what I found to be a convincing enough manner.
You really have to see the film to know what I’m getting at; it’s apparent that that’s what the writers were going for, whether one thinks they succeed at that task or not.
No I get it. It’s just a question if one is better over the other, or if it matters.
Well, as I said, it’s really a matter of comparing apples to oranges; both scripts have strengths and weaknesses, and both are successful in accomplishing what they set out to do, but beyond that the goals of both scripts are so different that an intelligent comparison isn’t really possible.
I love this conversation with you guys, by the way. Much better than with Jesse, not trying to offend, who was just raging, I hold no personal grudges (how can, I never saw the damn thing) and I hope you don’t, either.
Wow. Punctuation and sentence structure just got massacred today. A moment of silence for the fallen…
I highly agree Spoony.
To your point about the robots being better defined: I think the reason it wasn’t was because every other robot- beside the Gypsy Danger (the “American” Robot)- was destroyed almost immediately in every fight it seemed. They had all this build up about how they (the people piloting the Jagers) got real good at killing Kaiju and then… all we ever see is them getting dominated by them. Like every fight.
Then of course the obvious scene where every other jager is destroyed just so they have a reason to send the main characters (see, they’re so well defined I cant evern remember any of their names) to go and fight which would be fine but I didnt care about any specific character so really it seems to me any of them could have had a battle moment and they didn’t.
I didn’t like the main focus guy either, but mainly because Guillermo Del Toro uses a lot of non Americans to play Americans (he does it all the time) and they always seem to do it poorly so their acting comes off really strange. Better writing would have helped a little if they had better characterization I think.
I disagree with you on the scientists. Charlie Day is awesome and I was glad he was in this. I was also happy to see the guy from Torchwood (I forget his name at the moment). His character was over the top but I still liked it.
I didnt have a problem with the music either, I think you’re nit picking there, but whatever.
I agree. The story was awful and they focused too much on it. The movie was too long. The fight scenes were awesome and there wasnt enough of that and to much focus on boring characters I didn’t care about.
It’s a shame you wont be reading comments, Spoony, I agree with you on this one haha
He says that but who knows. I don’t trust Spoony as far as he is as far from me (I live in MA).
Y’know, it’s funny you made a comment, Spoony. “It’s giant robots fighting, it’s not going to be Shakespeare. What, do you want highly developed characters?” All I could think was… yes, I do expect it. There are so many excellent examples of the mixing of giant robots and characters in many shows. Robotech, Gundam (all the series, I would even argue for G Gundam), Macross, and many more manage to get the weight of the mechs without making cardboard cutout characters. It’s a shame this movie sounds like it fails miserably in that regard.
You do see the flaw there, don’t you? “There are so many excellent examples of the mixing of giant robots and characters in many SHOWS.”
A 2 hour movie is not a show with several seasons. That is an unfair comparisson.
Well, what were you expecting, dude? Citizen Kane?
Pacific Rim IS the Citizen Kane of giant-robots-fighting-Kaiju movies!
When is someone gonna say that, Spoony? Huh? HUH?
‘It was okay’
It’s at this point that I remember that Spoony liked the mercilessly terrible remake of ‘Let the Right One In’.
The characters were simplistic but not stupid. Although to Spoons’s credit, he didn’t say it was stupid. They were developed enough for me to care about them. I was disappointed to not see more of the foreign Jaegers, but their destruction furthered the plot and would have been a distraction from their simplicity. Striker was also very much involved in the final conflict.
As a tool to introduce children to giant monsters, it’s a complete success.
The remake of Let The Right One in was almost identical. It went pretty much shot-for-shot with the original and kept the same bleak tone. If you think it was terrible, you also think the original one was terrible.
The performances were good. Everything else was terrible. An overbearing period soundtrack, a script that played the central relationship up as romantic, and inept cinematography, (it was not shot for shot) made it unbearable.
By the way, if it was meant to be a shot for shot remake I must have missed that, since the director claimed to be adapting the book. I’m not saying anything Moretz or Smit-McPhee though. On the rare occasions that the script allowed them to slow down and have time to act together, it was brilliant.
Not that it matters, but although my opinion on it is not the prevalent one, I’m not the only one who has it.
It was not a shot for shot remake.
For instance the original is much slower and takes time to build characters better. The remake does not. It found that to slow and had much quicker cuts and darker cinematography. I didn’t think the boy was as likable in the remake, but that’s a nit pick on my part.
There are scenes that are line for line and it’s still got the same basic principle but there is stuff (mainly editing but a few plot points were changed a little as well) that was changed for an American audience- mainly to tighten it up and make it a faster paced film.
They are both fine films, but the original is much better in every way and if possible I always recommend the original over the remake but the remake is not a bad one if you don’t have access to the original or just dont like foreign films (some people don’t).
Ok. I will admit the cat scene in the original is kind of cheesy but otherwise it’s the better of the two =P
As Spoony mentioned in his review, the subtitles of the original were terribly translated, to the point where there is still a lot of debate and grumbling about it today. That’s the main reason the remake needed to be made for English-speaking audiences. I thought Chloe Grace-Moretz was a better Abby than the original girl as well. *shrug*
Why’s the charizard dude riding spoony’s cockles so hard?
I think it is Spoony, or his brother, or even girlfriend(in my opinion.) Then again, it could be his dog, Oreo. :) You never really know. And really how could you? Ofcourse Charizard avatar will deny this up and down, but my super duper alien intelligence has a strong assumption and gut feeling towards the ladder. 9 out of 10 my hunches are neva wrong son! WE-est Side! LOL! XD Im just joking, its obviously a random fan hungry for some good old fashioned ass kissing! lol
No Oreo squeeky toy and no drinking like an 21 year old going on 12, so big thumbs up for the review, but the shift from being angry or upset with what happened to the hostility of the material really takes any fun out of the review that Spoony classic reviews give.
So basically instead of hearing an honest opinion (which the vlogs have _always_ been), you’d rather just hear Spoony shriek in a high-pitched voice and go “Ermagerd, this movie suuuuuucks! Betrayal!” Let it be noted that I’m not bagging on Spoony’s style here. There’s just a time and a place for the funnies and that’s in the ‘proper’ reviews, riffs, let’s plays etc. The vlogs have always been more of an argument for or against something.
Spoony has done a lot of review vlogs, most of which I have found to be amusing and fun, and I assume were his honest opinion on the subjects of those vlogs, but to me his outright hostility to the material in this one vlog is subtracting entertainment value from the product.
He has had a lot of videos where he has been angry but this hostility, which appears as just a carry over from his twitter flames and calling it crap in previous vlogs since Pacific Rim started advertising, is reaching the point of bad self-righteous media personalities taking political debate beyond hyperbole. He is acting hostile to the film while acknowledging that nothing in the film itself was even enough to be angry over.
As an entertainer, his manner may be very close to being his personal nature but he has been doing acting and videos long enough that there is a strong element of affectation for the camera to garner entertainment value to keep viewers. This hostile persona is not the friend across the screen, and left me feeling sour on the review as an entertainment product.
It’s okay, Spoony, you’ll never be “the bad guy” to me.
Mostly because I’m not a whining, insecure pansy that requires other people to mindlessly love what I love as a way to psychologically and emotionally validate myself. If Spoony, or anyone, dislikes, or even HATES a movie or game or anything that I enjoy, so the hell *what*? Even if someone LOVES what I enjoy, again, so what? What matters is that *I* enjoy it, or don’t enjoy it, or perhaps I feel indifferent toward it. I never could stand those sissies that can’t cope with people disagreeing with them over something as trivial as a damn movie.
It’s times like this where I REALLY feel bad for Spoony, Brad Jones, and any other person who has the audacity to give an honest thought. Like those monkeys who made excuses *for* Brad and his group for not unquestionably enjoying the dark knight rises. Hey, maybe that’s it! You just saw pacific rim at a bad time. If you had seen it opening day, you would have loved it more. So really Finland is the bad guy in this scenario! They took you away from pacific rim and that’s why the movie was only “okay”, because you went to have fun in another country instead of staying home and watching a movie at midnight!
But seriously, insecure fan-babies ruin everything. They really know how to suck the enjoyment out of movies.
You obviously are insecure if you use homophobic slurs to try and boost your standing.
Even though I didn’t use one.
Unless “monkey” is now a homophobic slur, which I’m sure it isn’t.
Think they missed a big opportunity…
Throughout the whole movie, I kept expecting them to take control of one of the kaiju.
-When the scientist-fanboy started ‘drifting’ with one of the kaiju brains, but couldn’t handle its emotions/memories.
-When the hero was grounded, he could’ve teamed-up with the scientist and helped them!
-When the kaiju started using EMP.
-When the baby kaiju was born – right there I knew they were going to mind-meld with it. Its a newborn, it doesn’t have memories or emotions that would interfere with the ‘drift’…but no, they use it to find the next plot point and it dies.
They could’ve worked this into the beginning of the movie, and showed more News clips of the other jaegers fighting. The clip with the Striker fighting in daylight was AWESOME, but SERIOUSLY disappointed how they killed off the Russian and Chinese Jaegers, not minutes after introducing them, ‘the best and undefeated’ my a**. Show them being badass and winning, it only adds to that ‘Oh sh*’ moment when they come against something that’s out of their league.
They could’ve cut out the heroes “5-years-working-on-the-wall-exile” out and did this. Make it after his last fight, which was a failure, he’s not allowed to pilot Jaegers anymore, give him something to prove!
Have him raise the damn thing, make it so he feels its pain when its hurt. Speaking of which, I didn’t understand why they felt pain when the Jaegers were damaged, doesn’t that defeat the purpose of being inside a robot?
How awesome of a scene would that have been, with one of the Jaegers outmatched by kaiju, and then they see a 2nd one come on the radar. Everyone screaming ”second contact!” The new kaiju rises up out of the water and stands there for a moment, then it rams its spikey tail into the back of the other kaiju, and everyone’s standing there going O.O…
There, I just rewrote your movie, now remake it. *swigs whiskey*
I really liked it. The criticisms Noah brought up were really good though, and I admit the film isn’t that amazing from and objective quality standpoint. Still, it’s a Summer action movie done right. It’s fun and entertaining enough that your criticisms are held off until you get back and start thinking about it in depth. It’s action parts were fun, and I thought the weak character development wasn’t as noticeable as it could be. It did what it needed to do, entertain you for some time even though you can tear through the characters like tissue paper.
I hope it manages to make a profit at the box office. Some refinement to the formula and better writing all around could really make any sequel great. Also, I find it funny that coming from Noah, “it’s okay” is probably some of the greatest praise a modern movie could get.
Oh wow “illidan4ever” is spamming this thread with cocksucking. I dont now if he is Spoonys last fanboy or just has autism. Or both.
Scrolled down and saw him defending Spoony in every post. “Oh ok he is a fanboy allright”.
Scrolled further down and saw him replying 5 times to a single comment. “Ok getting a bit obnoxious here..”
Scrolled further and saw him replying 10 times. To himself. “WTF?”
You should check out the forums, its full of people like that.
Never had girlfriends, “My little Pony” fans, got bullied during school, Spoony is their life, and anyone who dares to critizise him gets flamed. .
Oh, I’m not brave enough to down there. People are insane enough in the comments. I’m sure its hilarious though.
Did anyone else notice that the General Guy is basically The Commander from XCom.
“Hello Commander. The inability of this project to maintain the support of several crucial council members has greatly reduced the effectiveness of both entities. We believe the best course of action now is to basically give up and end your project. As such, The Council of Nations has cut all funding for your project. Goodbye Commander.
I agree with Mile’s. Pacific Rim is Guillermo del Torro’s love letter to Japanese kaiju movies, robot mech anime, and a little bit of videogames. I know the characters are very archetypal in style but I think that trope works in a film like this. The movie was fun, visually beautiful, and presented us with some very good fights. I wasn’t bored and I got to see exactly what I paid for. Great summer movie that deserves to be seen again and again (unlike Grown Ups 2).
yes, miles was the shit in this review. The fuck was wrong with spoony?
I think he simply wasn’t interested in it. But because he kept complaining about the film for months he was obligated to see it. He seems to be more cynical of films he doesn’t want to see or care for.
Just got back from seeing it. Good movie but I actually thought it was too short. Like Spoony I thought the characters were rather 2-dimensional but wanted to see more of them. I wanted that emotional connection. Guess it were all those comparisons with Evangelion that made me expect that. That said, I was glad that there were at least some glimpses into their lives. Even if they were brief.
As for the comic relief scientists. They were annoying at first glance. Luckily the one with the tattoos grew some balls and the movie mostly focused on him and he eventually dragged the other guy with him.
That is it i demand stickers and t-shirts with “That’s right. The dog sucked.”…make it happen spoony
Can I pre-order one of those?
Heh. The moment Spoony started to complain he doesn’t want to be the bad guy and walked out, this played in my head: http://youtu.be/oL7PSlUuWPs?t=16s
Looking over the comments on this video, all I can say is that some of you went full retard on this one. So now giving a “meh” review to something qualifies as hating it. Honestly, he was a lot more positive than I expected him to be. I was expecting a Transformers 3 style rant at this movie. Why does one man’s opinion hurt you so much anyway?
As for the movie itself. I thought it was ok. I’m not the biggest fan of kaiju films so I may not be the right guy to go see this. For what it was, it was entertaining. It made for a decent summer movie that I’m probably never going to see again. It had its issues, but it was entertaining enough that I was never really mad at it.
To me, the problem appears to be that Spoony is full of hate the whole time in manner and tone, but even the worst his opinions of the movie was not really well reasoned out for why it was bad, just he didn’t like it. This was like a conversation with a friend who has just been cheated on by his girlfriend but neither of you is going to bring it up directly.
Oh look Spoonys Cocksucker has returned to….Well to suck some cock.
Aaaand, front and center, someone is using the ever-so-original “cocksucker” argument. Keep it classy people.
you are pathetic^^
The feeling is mutual.
Pathetic as I am, at least I haven’t sunk to your level.
I think this hostilty towards Spoony originated ever since his rant in the Man of Steel review where he pretty much called anyone who dared to like PR an idiot….
(and the Bayformers comparison didn’t help his case either)
It’s kinda sad seeing Spoony turn into a killjoy so often, whatever happened to “movies doesn’t neccesarily have to be good to AWESOME”
Because “The Spoony Experiment” is such a helpful title. :P
Yeah, and so is Counter Monkey.
We need more show names that are indictive of what they’re about. Shows like The Angry Video Game Nerd, or The Irate Gamer.
Iron Man 3 was great!
Tell me all about how it’s not accurate to the comics, I’m really interested -_-
i could baybay, i could… but arent you a little more interested about whats in my pants? :D Its a far better time than some random iron man 3 sucks my balls story… speaking of sucking my balls, heh heh… ~SEGWAY!~ Ahahaha! X’D im just joking, im just joking!
LOL! Oh my god, Im so sorry girl, i couldn’t resist!, I mean you really set yourself up for it here! :3
im completely joking ofcourse, unless your down for that sort of thing~!? … ar,- are you? are you down for that sort of thing? LOL! XD
Well I can tell you that Iron Man 3 did nothing to expand the Marvel film universe further. It was a missed opportunity to bring some new elements into the world created. That and Tony Stark kept making ridiculous decisions that almost get him and Pepper killed a couple times. And the villains were very weak.
Yes. But I had a good time. I didn’t like the ending much, though.
Straining to find shit to complain about: The review.
Normally I don’t just totally disagree with Spoony but, he just didn’t want to like this movie from the get go. That’s his prerogative though, he’s allowed to hate shit. I enjoyed the shit out of this movie.
all you haters need to watch this
I honestly really liked this movie, it was big, simple action. Every negative review I have seen about this movie has pointed out the characters as a major fault in the movie, but many of my favorite action movies from when I was a kid had these sort of stereotypes, I think they are more reminiscent to something like Robot Jocks or something like that, which didn’t diminish the fun of those movies back in the 80s and 90s and doesn’t really do so here. The characters that do get development are, for the most part likeable and not as annoying as the jock douche stereotypes or overly brooding and introspective characters I see in a lot of movies now-a-days. It doesn’t matter how thin their motivations are, as they are just there to get us to the giant robot/monster fights, everything other than their character stuff is world building and it works well enough and feels fun.
Spoony has seen too many bad movies and videogames at this point, I don’t think he knows how to sit back and enjoy something that has at least had effort put into it, especially since all of the reviews he has made recently for this year’s movies have been very very negative and used terms like “hate” and “loathing,” etc. Sometimes it’s good to sit back and enjoy a movie for what it is, as none are perfect.
I can understand Spoony’s points since, yeah, the characters are pretty stereotypical but fuck it I loved them all. Russian team was awesome, I friggen loved the fact that their mech was named Chernobyl… BUT I never got to see them or the cool Chinese triplets in real action so that sucked… quite a bit. I did however cheer like an idiot when Mako whips out the chain sword, growls out “FOR MY FAMILY” and just ends the flying Kaiju.
The Japanese guys playing basket ball was a reference to a very popular japanese basket ball anime and manga! Oh and i loved the russian guys to, what the fuck was spoony talking about???
They’re Chinese. BIG difference. Basketball is a huge sport in China, is why.
you sir, are a party pooper! :/
Thats it, Spoony has become a pathetic joke figure.
Bad enough he doesnt Lets Plays anymore, but now his Vlogs have turned to whiny nitpicking??? And looking at the comments his fanboy army has disappeared as well, 99% of the comments are negative :D
Because you dont fuck with a good movie for no reason, or even worse, bullshit twitter and asshole reasons like he did here.
He has indeed. He had an army of particularly militant and unpleasant fanboys to prop up his website before, and shout down the few sane voices who DARED point out that his videos were lazy. But even they weren’t insane enough to stick around for this.
To be honest, its a good thing. Now we can put this ‘Spoony is perfect’ thing behind us, and give other, more deserving reviewers some views and attention.
I’m off to the Angry Joe show, anyone want to come?
Been there, done that, i decided to go with Bennett The Sage, who i saw stand up to spoony on twitter in a very interesting and mature way just a few days ago, and so ive been watching his anime abandoned show ever since! Its good shit! Spoony was there to for one episode, the old spoony, the awesome spoony, the spoony that spoony used to be before he BETRAYED US ALL with this so called, “review” :/
Bennett and Angry Joe are much worse than Spoony.
And I’m not saying any of the criticisms offered of Spoony are invalid, either. Quite to the contrary. I think we all need some more movie reviews and Let’s Plays. I honestly don’t care if he ever finishes Final Fantasy, although it’s been alright.
I’m not going to watch this due to the comment under the video, (though the title is clever). Let’s get this over with? I don’t need to see it, I can feel the apathy from here. These things are too long to sit through for “meh”. ( No, I haven’t seen the movie either.)
Spoony’s wrong and bitter because he prejudged this, watched it, and turned out to be profoundly mistaken, but still felt like he had to support his cred or some shit.
See this movie. Fucking see it. Please. It isn’t stupid. It’s big and surface and brightly-colored and simple. Please go and see it.
oh my god you are so right man, i think thats exactly what happened and everyone on the internet can see it! Its not just me!
you made a wise decision!
It’s funny actually.
The more i watch Spoony&Miles together, the more i’m convinced, that Miles is the better critic, and i agree with him a lot more often than i agree with spoony.
I think the score was great. I sat through the first 3 minutes of the credits, because of the score.
In addition, this movies was much better than the Transformer-crap we had to endure the last few years.
Pacific Rim(PR) has nice action scenes, in which you actually can identify whos kicking whos ass, and its not only a grey shaky blob that tells you nothing.
PR had the scientists as comic relief character, which were annoying, but they left it at that. They didn’t threw in 20 CRC like Transformers 2.
The characerization was ok, and i really liked Idris Elba as the hardcore General. The talk he had with the main char was really intense.
PR is a good movie. It has it’s flaws, and to be honest you have to screen them out a bit to enjoy the movie, but it was better than Transformers and it really had some nice 3d going, which i’m really not a big fan of.
So if you like giant monsters, giant robots (both in REALLY good CGI), some ok characters, even if they are stereotypical, and you like them giants kicking each others butts, then watch PR.
I actually think you’re too hard on it but we can still be friends. Surface and simple, but not stupid. My god is that a big plus these days.
The main character was played by Charlie Hunnam, an Irishman who played a dreadlocked terrorist in Children of Men, and the central character of Sons of Anarchy. Watch him in Children of Men. He’s very good.
I really don’t know what he’s talking about with the score. It ranges from orchestral swell to heavy electronic thrum. Love it.
Hah I *knew* that his face seemed familiar, just couldn’t put two and two together :x Thanks!
I’m sorry, I don’t mean to ‘go there’, but Spoony is so butthurt that this movie worked as well as it did.
Have you seen the shit that lives in Australia? It goes something like this. “It’s one of the deadliest spiders in the world, and when it’s not killing one of the deadliest snakes in the world, which also lives in Australia, it’s hanging out in your shoes or under the toilet seat. And if you’re thinking of swimming to safety? Get the fuck out, literally, because if the deadliest jelly fish in the world don’t get you, the sharks will. Australia probably has jaegers right now. What we’re seeing in the movie is, in reality just some kind of modified lend-lease p.o
In short, everything in Australia has evolved to kill hum….. …….. oh shit, it’s after earf.
Spoony stop your nitpicking vlogs and let Miles do movie reviews from now on :D
Please go back to Lets Plays and Reviews, we all miss those. What about Deadly Premonition? Or maybe Call of Cthulhu: Dark Corners of the Earth? Or Vampires: The Masquerade Bloodlines? That was very Lovecraftian as well.
That would be a good idea, he would be listening to his fans, playing quirky and/or interesting games that would match his humor, Im sure people would like it!
So of course hes not going to do it. Instead he just went of to another con in Bumblefuck. And afterwards he has to take a break from that and spamming Twitter 24/7 with Wrestling jokes or telling us why we are dumb for liking a certain movie.
I know right?
He has said multiply times that he won’t continue making Deadly Premonition LPs.
WTF why am I still visiting this site? The era of 2008-2009 is gone.
i must say spoony has been so negative lately, i love his reviews but lately he seems so just angry and not watching a movie with an open mind. This movie was made for the 10 year old in all of us and i thought it was a great popcorn movie. THe effects were down right fantastic and at times seem so real i believed them. Im sorry spoony buy i disagreed with just about everything you said. I am actually worried for you i hope you are feeling ok. You have so much talent that you were basically kicked off TGWTG cause you were popular and the best parts of the anniversaries. So i hope you feel better and all i ask is be open to what a movie is trying to do. Pacific rim on its cover was a Giant robot fighting monsters. Just like your reb brown movies are an idiot trying to act. You love them, so remember the reason you love reb when you walk into a popcorn movie. Good luck and thank you for your hours of work and content.
I hope he starts doing reviews again. I’ve gotten tired of these troll vlogs.
18:30 “they just give the Jaegers different colors.” ok, he is definitely trolling now.
I agree with Spoony. I’m a huge Godzilla fan and I should have LOVED this movie! But the characters and plot were boring. Why should I care about he action when I’m not emotionally invested.
Because the film wasn’t for you. Or even for me. The film is, at its core, a primer for western audiences unfamiliar with the genres and tropes involved.
This was an uncomplicated attempt to convey why we love those genres to people who have no frame of reference.
Make it too complex (hyperbolic example: Evangelion) and you’re just going to confuse people and turn them off. This had just the right amount of inner child.
Ah. I see. Well said.
I have been feeling like I need to see it again to better understand why everyone loves it and your input has helped.
It’s hard to tell if a second viewing could help. on one hand, knowing what is to come in the movie, you might be more willing to just sit back and enjoy the movie. or the same problems will annoy you. Either way, Id say just see it to give money towards a movie that has ambition and a director who actually listens to his fans
Has been Spoony been dumped again or something? Sure is trolling harder than even his norm lately.
I see the movie as a tribute. I understand if people want something more out of it, like more emphasis on characters, and that’s understandable. Im not, and Im sure others aren’t , dissing Spoony’s problems with the film necessarily. it’s just that the ONE movie that’s soul purpose is to be a giant robot kaiju monster anime geekfest and nothing more, and del Toro himself has stated many times its just a movie made to appeal on a visual Saturday morning action level, and Spoony decides “Im going to nitpick the fuck out of this. I don give a fuck about fans, Ill just bitch about them on my twitter anyways!” Oh, Spoony, you card you!
Damn dude you smoked em! Jesus christ man!
damn homie, let’s go grab brewskis!
Hell yeah dude, *toast*!
Im not even saying he’s a troll. he’s just a lazy asshole who just happens to make me laugh, and I mean that as a complement. he reminds me of me if I had a fanbase to fuck with and glorious hair
Yeah but the fanbase didnt come from bad Vlogs or being lazy. He used to make hilarious Lets Plays and game reviews.
I totally agree. its just more obligation, or even more so morbid fascination
Lol he even retweeted a negative (!) fantweet. Without comment.
Maybe he finally notices people are missing his old videos…?
Look more like he was trying to get his fanbase to abuse him to me.
If you’re even half as funny as Spoony on his best days, please start a show. Like immediately. I need more funnies. :)
I don’t get the some of the guys bashing Spoony here. While I agree with the general assessment that he sometimes is just trying to hate on something just to hate on it I didn’t get that impression from this video. His biggest complaint was the general complaint about the film, the middle was too long with rather 1 dimensional characters who didn’t hold things together before the big battles at the end. I get the “what did you expect” argument but at the same time as they had said earlier this was a “what could you do if you had a 190 million dollar budget to do a Kaiju film” and I feel that somewhere along that way I could have written a bit more depth into the characters. If not just cut down the middle portion, or instead add another attack during that where the Russian and Chinese mechs got to actually win before jobbing during the Hong Kong battle.
I consider the “what did you expect” argument only because of what I read from the director’s interviews and the trailers. seeing the movie, I don’t blame people for wanting more, but I don’t think we got less than what was advertised. and seeing spoonys twitter, his over the top “oh god this movie will blow” attitude beforehand, you cant blame us for being a little upset
Maybe I wasn’t paying enough attention to this vlog but what’s up with the whole “Spoony trolling more than ever before” comments? Also, is there some hidden reference in the title “couch” that I’m just not seeing? Yeah, sometimes I disagree heavily with Spoony’s opinions; however, I thought that here his views were pretty justifiable. I haven’t seen the movie yet, and I’m not saying he was correct. I just don’t see what’s so horrific about him not liking things that he gave reasons for not liking.
“couch” is just Spoony’s hate of the title “pacific rim”, as when this movie’s previews have been brought up in other reviews, he expressed a dislike (to put it mildly) of the lack of description in the title. So Spoony’s title is simply where the review takes place (his couch), and not what he’s reviewing.
Ahhh. How did I even miss that? :D Thanks.
I’m not sure I agree with most of Spoony’s gripes (I’m not going to say that the movie was without problems, but it seems Spoony went in with a chip on his shoulder), but I will at least agree with his point about the test drift between the pilots of Gypsy Danger (around the 20 minute mark of the review). We saw at the start of the movie that the head of the Jeager (or at least Gypsy’s) is not permanently attached to the body – so why didn’t they do this test drift with the head detached? There is Spoony’s suggested “test simulation chamber”.
Hey look at it this way. He’s still light years better than MovieBob over on the Escapist. You want to talk about going in with a chip on his shoulder? (Not for Pacific Rim, he actually loved that (floored me), but just about everything else).
I kind of disagree with spoony on the characters part. Yes they were stereotyped, but at least they were somewhat likable. They didn’t make me want to tear my eyes out, like transformers 2. They also weren’t nearly as boring/forgettable as say, Prometheus. I can actually remember some things about these characters. They kind of reminded me of Starship Troopers characters a bit (and fuck you if you don’t like Starship Troopers!). I also liked the fact that this movie didn’t try to take itself too seriously, like Prometheus did.
They were archetypes, like the marines in Aliens. In a 2 hour movie, you don’t have a lot of time to give an ensemble full robust characters, so you take an archetype, tweak it, and throw it up. Movies have been doing this for years. I don’t know why this is suddenly some great sin, now.
True, but movies have also been producing fleshed-out and interesting characters for years also. I’m not saying that shallow characters can’t be fun once in a while but personally, deeper characters just seem more human and relatable to me and that’s how I get lost in the movie better. I just don’t see quality characters and a fun action movie as being mutually exclusive. You have a good point but I’d rather see people having their standards too high than too low.
Oh, I agree, characterization good. But in ensemble films (even when one is more focused on than the rest), I don’t get upset if the personalities are “broad strokes.” This film walked the edge. Technically it wasn’t an “ensemble” in the truest sense, but the male lead had a partner, their commander and the two scientists were just as important as they were. To me, it felt ensemble, so I didn’t mind a little character shorthand.
Also, it had FUCKING GLADOS. That automatically gives it a couple points.
I was surprised they kept the GLaDOS voice for the computer. I heard a rumor that Guillermo del Torro only used it for the trailers, so I wasn’t expecting it in the actual film. Nonetheless, I am happy that it was kept in the film.
Damn, I’d forgotten about the computer! Yeah, I was partly waiting for it to make cracks about Raleigh’s dead brother, or about Mako being an orphan.
What I’d heard is that the voice effect in the movie is technically different from the trailers, but obviously not by much.
The GLaDOS voice was only used in the trailer, but they kept the actress’s lines in the movie
As for the title of ‘pacific rim’, I actually didn’t mind it. It sounds like an RTS game. Come to think of it…this movie reminds me of ‘Supreme Commander’!
Just checking in. Yep, you’re all still lunatics. Love you <3
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Honestly, “legit angry Spoony” is almost as bad as “drunk Spoony.” Which is funny, considering his “taking a break” v-log seemed to realise this. Final Fantasy XIII had mixed reactions while Minority Report had people proclaiming it the best review ever (via hyperbole, a little bit), and I feel the biggest difference was Final Fantasy XIII was perpetually angry and brooding to an almost Squall level, while Minority Report was… Still angry, but acknowledging the fun of being angry at a bad game.
I always felt that the most impressive part of the Spoony Experiment was that it took complete and utter shit and made it entertaining by means of a clever and creative host. This review seems to be completely the opposite – taking something that may or may not be bad and trying to badmouth it because… It has a non-descriptive name? Never watch A Clockwork Orange!
The last handful of Spoony Vlogs really made me realize Miles has become the reason I watch these vlogs. He’s a way better critic then Spoony is and he’s more enjoyable to listen to. Watching these is like watching Comic Book Guy discussing films with Roger Ebert or something.
Pretty much. Spoony has basically been flagged the same as a friend of mine. Excessively negative, nitpicky in the extreme, and generally unpleasable, unless it falls into one of his areas of selective fanboy-dom, in which case, he’s exceptionally forgiving.
Miles really gives the best overall impression of a film, pointing out its strengths and weaknesses, and not immediately judging something as “bad” simply because he didn’t like it personally.
I wasnt surprised when I found out that Miles is a cop. I always thought he is either a cop or maybe a teacher, he has this calm and analytical personality that I have seen on good cops & teachers.
He’s essentially the Anti-Spoony, right down to the inverse hair style.
I´m still waiting for the vlog where Wiles will be given the chance to finish what he has to say without being cut short when we pauses to breath. :(
Regardless of how people might be reacting, I do appreciate both Spoony and Miles’ comments on the film; they both approach the story from different perspectives. It seems like Spoony is viewing the film in terms of what it could have been while Miles is trying to enjoy it in terms of what it is. As of for instance, when Miles talks about Pacific Rim’s similarities to a Kaiju film and how it can be enjoyed for those qualities, Spoony responds by assessing how it fell short of those standards.
And honestly, I’m more with Spoony on this one. Granted, like Spoony, I did actually enjoy the film for what it was but, perhaps unlike Spoony, I think I enjoyed the aspects he despised and vice versa. I really liked the first and second acts where they were setting up the characters, but became disillusioned with consistently poor resolutions. For example, I liked the idea of how there was these two scientists with opposite philosophies being forced to work together (one representing the school of thought where science is cold and logical and the other representing the more imaginative and exciting side). So how do they resolve their rivalry? Uh… they just do. And that’s really lame storytelling. But the film does this. So. Many. Times. (The film establishes how badass the Russians and Chinese are just to have them be narrative cannon fodder because… idk in a united world only English speaking countries solve problems or something; the suave and threatening black market dealer get killed because idk there was no reason for him to die but it was good for a laugh maybe; Mako is having trouble keeping herself from being stuck in her memories at first but just gets over it later for no apparent reason; etc).
The bottom line is this: while the effects were really good, don’t make your characters and situations seem so interesting and complicated if you’re not going to do anything with them.
There’s a term for what happened to the Russian and Chinese Jaegers: it’s called the Worf Effect. Basically, you establish a character/vehicle as being a badass, then have them be casually defeated to show how dangerous the new threat is. The trope is named after Worf from ST:TNG and DS9. We’re always told that he’s the toughest guy aboard the Enterprise, but the poor dude always seemed to get his ass kicked.
I honestly wouldn’t have minded what happened to the “Jobber Jaegers” as much if we’d seen them in action before that. This is mostly because showing is better than telling, but there’s also the fact that they looked awesome and I wanted more of them punching Kaiju. Maybe when Idris Elba is talking about them in the Shatterdome, show a brief flashback of each Jaeger killing a Kaiju.
Well, this is a work by the sainted Guillermo del Toro. Don’t you know that no criticism whatsoever can be allowed?
I’m pleased he liked the movie overall. I’ve mainly been talking about his overall attitude to films in general. I can see where he’s coming from on the characters, but I personally found them rather entertaining. The stranger parts make a lot more sense once you realize Del Toro has made a live-action anime, complete with tropes and archetypes therein Perlman’s weird ass black market guy? Totally could see him from Cowboy Bebop.
Well, this film did a lot for me on a level of sheer enthusiasm, but I agree with Spoony that it was pretty superficial. It’s just that the former was much more dominant than the latter, so I came away with a much better impression than him. It’s difficult to argue with giant mecha beating up kaiju with freighters.
Where I mostly disagree with him was in the soundtrack being inappropiately cheery. It kinda seems like Noah expected the movie to treat the whole “monsters wipe out cities” aspect with more gravitas, but it was pretty obvious that they were glossing over that. Well, aside from the Mako flashback. Poor kid, I thought the child actor portrayed very accurately the total terror one would feel in such a situation.
Anyway, Spoony did like the movie okay, it was only kind of the same problem he had with X-Com, where he also was a bit too nit-picky about the details. That’s okay, not everybody needs to like the same things in the same way.
I see words, but I can’t make out a point….keep trying, though!
I agree w/ a few posts that now Miles is my reason for tuning in these days. Spoony won me w/ Rebruary and the Highlanders, and there’s no shortage of truly awful and pretentious films out there. The Bayformers are a lost cause, and MoS was a real disappointment.
But I freaking LUV PR. Watching the Jaegers and Kaiju going at it made me feel like a kid again watching the Toho films, Voltron, a few Gundams, Robot Jox, Evangelion, and Big O. And all of them have their blemishes.
PR was a simple film w/o overly brooding / complicated characters / storylines. The acting was good whether or not the Aussie accents were deliberately smudged and regardless of the cartoon scientists. The comedy and the score also did their jobs well. The four Jaegers and almost all the Kaiju were distinguishable. The fight scenes were glorious and, unlike MoS or Bayformers, did not overlook the human element and were legitimately choreographed.
It certainly isn’t w/o a shortage of plot holes but by and large the characters, imagery, and action brought me back to the theater a second time. This movie deserved to do better in the theaters, and it deserves more geek approval / support than recurring criticism from those stuck on other franchises or who didn’t get the film they themselves would have directed.
From previous logs, however, it was clear that PR had to be at least three times the film we got for Spoony to safety his HAT .40. Miles is more than the straight man here, he’s the freaking voice of sanity toward Noah’s obnoxious conduct.
Obnoxious? I’m not here to validate your opinion. I gave you as honest of a review as I could. And what’s interesting is that I’m basically agreeing with all of the praise heaped upon the movie, and yet I’m being vilified for the minor criticism which even I admit is nitpicking, for the most part. Get over it.
I think people were off-put by the manner in which you chose to put across your nitpicks, and the fact that you implied the characters were poorly-developed rather than just very thinly-developed, just enough to make us care and service the plot.
I’m not surprised by you being a little vitriolic, honestly. It’s what I enjoy about you.
I’d say that a few folks here are committing the same error they’re accusing Noah of – expecting a negative experience and letting it bias them. In their case, they expect him to hate it, so they casually ignore the latter portion of the video where he has nothing but praise for the entire third act and says the action was pretty awesome.
That, or they just didn’t bother watching the whole video before posting.
This is why I said nothing about what he said about the action. I think his complaints about the characters were invalid. The soundtrack is a matter of opinion, but I think to imply that the characters were poorly-developed instead of intentionally thinly-developed is as invalid as it was when he used the same logic to imply the film would be bad simply because morons were anticipating it for stupid reasons.
Y’know, sometimes I wish Noah just disabled the whole comment section…
Because it always turns into bickering and namecalling. I didn’t mean to single you out or anything. You have valid points :) Just in general. If I were hosting a review site and saw a comment section like this every day, I don’t know…
I understand what you mean. I myself tend to support open discourse, even if it turns stupid.
As do I. Some discourse is just more trouble than it’s worth if it’s nothing but counterproductive moaning. Plus, I know that the discussion section isn’t going anywhere. It was more of a “Jeez, you guys…” type of comment, not a literal “this section needs to be shut down now”. Kinda like if I said (somewhat ironically) that at times it feels as if the universe would be better off if the human race had never existed. It doesn’t mean that I personally wish the human race didn’t exist or that I see none of its merits. It’s more of a general facepalm mixed with semi-humorous hyperbole.
Just take a year of. You behave like a washed-up D-list actor right now who used to be famous.
Get a year of, relax, and come back with fresh ideas.
You should have done as told and did not watch the comments ;)
Spoony mimimimis because his fans mimimimi that he mimimimis in the review: http://www.twitch.tv/spoonyone#/w/6246373296
That video was a lot less negative than this video…
Now I want Spoony to watch the midnight screening review of Pacific Rim on Cinema Snob and be confused by just how much Brad and his friends loved the film…
I truly love the title of this vlog. I really do. I mean, you can hardly get a more descriptive title even if you tried!
First off, the word itself. Couch. Just say it and taste it in your mouth. Co-uch. It’s a single word, two syllables. It’s to the point, easy to remember and just rolls on your tongue. A brilliant choice for a title, I must say.
Then just think of its myriad connotations! First off, it is nomen est omen descriptive: the vlog takes place on a couch, as in the physical sitting apparatus. However, its meanings are much deeper.
Most notably, a couch has certain implications regarding its environment.
Where do you have a couch? In your home, of course. Probably in your living room, where you feel the most comfortable. This mental image instantly conveys the feeling that the vlog is done in a very casual manner.
Not on a chair as if it was an interview or on a director’s seat like it was a professional review. It is done on a ‘couch’.
It’s close. Personal. It’s honest and unfettered, since it is done in an environment that is safe and comfortable. Brilliant invocation of imagery in Spoony’s part, I must say.
However, that is not all a couch is about! For instance, It’s also a backdrop. It’s unassuming, stays in the background, yet it provides a solid foundation. In this sense it is analogous to the movie going experience Spoony and Miles piled up over the years, sitting unassumingly at the back of their minds yet providing a backdrop and a solid foundation of all their opinions. Brilliant!
Speaking of Miles, what else is important about a couch? Well, it’s for multiple people to sit on, of course! It’s not ‘chair’ or ‘sofa'; it’s ‘couch’. It’s something that multiple people can share, yet at the same time it also means the experience doesn’t belong to them alone. Just like a movie that you can enjoy together but in the end you will have your own opinions about it! Brilliant metaphor, just brilliant!
Finally, the couch also represent the audience that upholds the reviewer. Without the sofa’s support Spoony would simply hit the ground. In a way he shows how much he depends on his audience’s support, how he entrusts himself to the ‘couch’ without any fear of falling down no matter what he does. It truly shows how much Spoony values his audience and it’s tear-jerkingly brilliant how he managed to weave even this subtext into a single word. He truly is a genius.
Now then, about the actual move… I totally agree. “Pacific Rim”? Really? What is that even supposed to mean!?
That’s just a dumb title! Couldn’t they at least pretend to care! It’s outrageous, I tell you! Truly outrageous!
And now Spoony has buckled over the pestering of the plebeians and changed the brilliant title of his Vlog. Oh how the mighty have fallen! Not even true art is safe from you, ravages of the unwashed masses!? Truly heartbreaking, I must say.
*puts on monocle and leaves*
As a student of linguistics and pragmatics, I would agree. :) ‘Couch’ as the umbrella title for the entire cinema vlog series woudn’t be a bad idea, e.g. “Couch: Pacific Rim” or “Couch: The Conjuring”.
I was mostly making a joke there but yeah, you are right, it certainly would work. :)
I know ;) Just saying that it wouldn’t be bad outside of the joke either. :P
I went to see Couch yesterday. I actually watched this VLOG right before it because I’d heard so much about the movie by that point that I just didn’t care anymore. It’s also fun going into movies knowing someone else perspective on it and then seeing how that affects your own.
The cinema I went to had couch seats, which added a bit of an ironic twist. I’d forgotten the title of Pacific Rim before looking up the times, even though I’ve been hearing about it for months. Granted I suck at remembering names, but it’s a bad sign when I can’t remember the name of a movie I actively want to go see.
On to the content. I agree that the Jaegers were relatively similar, but they were different. One had three arms and sawblades, one had missile launchers in the chest (which were really effective, begging the question as to why they don’t just have a whole bunch of those at the ready in a missile launcher) and the american Jaeger had plasma cannons in it’s arms. The blade thing was pretty weird though. The main character seemed surprised to have a sword. Seems kind of crucial to me.
When it comes to the failsafe testing going wrong, they went through simulations and were fine in those, besides the failsafe should have killed the program and they got out of it by simply shutting down the power (by your description it sounded like the main character would snap her out of it in the nick of time, which he didn’t and I liked that). They had every reason to presume this would be safe and it was okay.
The evil council should really have been adressed. They got through the wall in an hour. It really should’ve been clear that the Jaegers were the best possibility. I’d have liked to see it addressed since they do nothing with the fact that they needed money anyway.
We really needed to see more of the first Jaeger fights and of the rampages the monsters went on and that stuff. in fact I’d like it if that was a movie in itself. I’d like a prequel to this movie way more than a sequel.
I liked the scientists, they were over the top but not so over the top that they were completely unrelatable (as a theoretical biologist I kinda sympathize with both) and they both contributed at different points in their own way. The movie made it clear the jaeger program couldn’t afford better scientists, so it made sense that whatever was left would be the ‘crazy’ type.
Overall I like the movie and I don’t get why Noah is getting so much flak for this Vlog.
Well to bitch about the name, Transformers (name alone) tells us nothing about the movie or series, Die Hard, tells us nothing, The Hangover, Tells us nothing, The fuck is a Zardoz? The hell is a Zelda? What does Final Fantasy tell us about the games? Names mean bubkis when it comes to most movies.
‘Transformers’ tells us nothing about robots who’s sole gimmick is to transform into stuff? Really? :D But yeah, I agree that a title doesn’t have to be discriptive, although I can also see why some people find the more opaque titles to be pretentious, even if I don’t agree.
lol yep. As transformers does not hint at anything other then something turns into something else, probably, much in the same way that Pacific Rim just hints that events will probably involve the pacific rim.
I’d have to diagree there. I think Transformers does what it says on the tin but maybe that’s just me. :P
Late comment is late, but I agree with most of your criticisms (even though I rather liked the characters and thought the movie was one of the best I’ve seen in a long while).
I think a lot of the Mako/Raliegh scenes could have been cut down by a lot to fit a quick Kaiju fight scene with the other Jaegers in the second act, as we really needed to see more from the Russians’ and the Chinese Jaeger. Hell, I don’t think the Russians even have any lines before they are deployed at the end of the second act to deal with the two Kaiju. I do like that we got some time with most of the characters to establish the basics of who they are and what we’re supposed to expect from them (well, enough so that I didn’t want to see them all eaten by a Kaiju), but it does make the the first half of the movie drag a little, especially in repeat viewing.
Granted, that’s just me being nitpicky. It’s still a good movie, and it’s a damn shame that it hasn’t made back even half of its budget yet.
I thought the review was okay, but Oreo is such a bad actor. He’s all like look at me I’m in a vlog, just unwatchable to be honest. Also this review was predictable, it had no scope, and honestly Spoony it ran about 20 mins too long. I know this review is a love letter to vlog’s, but their stylistically different. This vlog actually goes against what vlog’s stand for, since their traditionally one on one, not two on one with a dog mixed in for comedy, which again I found Oreo grating and unrealistic. No dogs act like that. Again I have to be honest, but you and Miles jump right into the trailers and review. Spending no time on your characters and leaving them dull and uninteresting, I could only tell you and Miles apart because you had different shirts on. A little stereotypical and lacking identity for the reviewers of the film, how can I ever care about their opinions? There just seems to be no logic to this review at all, making it feel stupid. Really, really stupid. Fuck you Couch review, fuck you. Final thoughts this was vlog was okay, some of the action that happens during the review was entertaining but that’s as far as I will go. It was okay.
I find myself in agreement with your review of this Vlog. Spoony and Miles are such one note characters. Miles is always satisfied with the movie he was expecting to see, kind of symbolic of the average joe movie goer. Spoony on the other hand always has to nit pick and complain, his one note following the mold of the online critic who can’t enjoy any movie. Now I do believe there is some potential there with Oreo. Unfortunately, Oreo falls into the standard pet trying to steal the show in the vlog similar to Lloyd the cat in some of Brad Jones’ videos. If Oreo could dial it down a bit and stop using pet props like the ball and squeeky toy, there could be an outstanding Vlog performance deserving of possibly a Mashable award.
Oreo, a bad actor? I think his unpredictable nature gives the v-logs an energetic quality to them.
Huh… I haven’t seen the movie but hearing this review made me think.
If they built a city out of the remains of one of these things why
didn’t they use the bones of one of these monsters to reinforce a Jaeger?
It seems like a decent way to increase the amount of building materials
and they’re bones are definitely pretty strong. Could try and cure
hides into leather to create some kind of armor covering to help guard
the metal plates. Just seems like something we’d do.
no they built a city around the bones
Yay, the bitchy, asinine title is gone!
I have yet to see the movie for myself, and looking forward to it !
I think the review is pretty honest and well done.
It shows 2 very different opinions and it doesn’t sugarcoat anything.
Noah actually shows us that he isn’t a narcissistic guy who always wants to be right all the time, because if that was the case, he would have edited out the pieces where Miles actually disagrees with him.
Also, people need to see the reviews in full.
Yes, Noah is nitpicking on certain parts of the movie, but he also praises the entire third act.
He was entertained, he even states the movie is OK !
It’s a popcorn movie, a summer blockbuster. It isn’t perfect. Of course there are things that could have been done better.
I was just very glad to hear that this movie isn’t a repetition of garbage movies like Transformers/Battleship type movies, but actually has a bit more going for it.
So why are people actually calling him out ?
Because his opinion isn’t the same as yours ?
Calling him out for that, only proofs a lot of hypocrisy within the fanbase.
Cheers Noah and Miles.
Great review !
It’s not gonna be Citizen Kane, Spoony.
I disagree strongly with spoony. Spoony: You didn’t get the movie. Yes, I said it: you didn’t get what you were watching. This movie is an anime. It is Gundam, or Macross (the mezozoic one, with Rick Hunter as main character). The plot and characters seem bidimensional not because of Del Toro’s inability to tell complex stories. This movie was so “flat plotwise” by design. Pacific Rim was made not to make you think. It was made for the fun and joy 10 yr olds have when watching their morning cartoons. This movie was made as a love letter to giant robot shows. Not a love letter by means of references or graphic design, but by means of how it feels and how it is experienced. Too bad you couldn’t get it. That’s why you fell it fall so flat. But then again, you didn’t get the movie.
Agreed, he didn’t. I have to question the intelligence of anyone who has seen this movie and can’t understand why it’s called Pacific Rim. Personally I found the movie title pretty obvious.
He didn’t say that. He said : what’s the point to spend so much time with characters IF they’re flat ! Just stay with battles. Don’t pretend to make stories about characters then.
I agree so much with him…
I love Anime and big robots and this was boring ass shit. In those Anime films, they took the time to make us care for the characters also. Charlie Huffman was a bland ass fuck.
Finally watched the movie and I can where Spoony had issues with the movie but I enjoyed it well enough, so I’m more in Miles’ camp on this one. Fun popcorn movie that isn’t as dumb as the Transformers franchise. Of course, Ron Pearlman is always great and stole every second he was on screen for that small part in the movie. The only real complaint; by the time you hit that final climax in the movie, you are far too aware of how long the movie is. I say it is worth at least checking out once.
Spoony, you went into this movie already hating it and ready to nitpick, just because the title is stupid. Pretty much everything you brought up didn’t bother me in the slightest. I’m not sure why you found it so boring.
By the way, you don’t have to exactly mirror the tropes of a genre to pay homage to it. Saying this isn’t a homage to kaiju movies because there were too many kaiju is completely asinine.
Yeah, I kinda new he’d hate on it since he giggled his ass off about the title in another vlog. I actually loved the movie, totally my kind of blockbuster. Even went to see it twice
I’m having a hard time believing that the people on this site, in the same breath, praise Spoony’s reviews and yet trash his Vlogs when they’re based around the same kind of humor. I watch these Vlogs mainly to laugh at the way that Spoony phrases his nitpicks against the movie. Do I believe he hates the movie because of those? Not necessarily. That’s just the way he talks. If he hates the movie, he’ll be sure to tell you. Compare this review to his review of Transformers or Twilight and I’m sure even the blindest hater can tell the difference (even if he doesn’t want to). I think that’s why Spoony brings in Miles to his reviews, is to give a fair review of the movie while Spoony makes us laugh at all the little quirks.
Now, does the fact that Spoony brings up plotholes and such somehow ruin my enjoyment of the movie, or mean that he hates it? Of course not. A true fan of any given movie can both enjoy a movie’s accomplishments while acknowledging it’s weaknesses, and yet embrace them both, and I believe that what Spoony is doing. In his case, his response to those weaknesses is to yuck at them a bit, and while that response may differ from person to person, I for one find it very entertaining to watch, and I have learned to look past his antics to see what he really thinks of the movie, not like he won’t tell you anyway, and those people who sum up all of what Spoony’s saying about the bad AND good points of a movie by saying, rather unhelpfully, “Spoony’s an asshole”, are completely missing the point of these videos. They’re made to inform us about a movie AND entertain us.
If you can watch and enjoy Spoony’s reviews, you should be able to watch and enjoy his Vlogs, too.
I honestly didn’t make it through the first time. I tapped out at the point where he went, “this movie was kind of fucking stupid… fuck you”. Going through it all, my opinion wasn’t changed. As before, there was Evil Spoony and Indifferent Spoony. Of course he tacked on how the fights were alright.
It just seemed to me that Spoony’s Dark Side was strong going into this, and his appraisals for each feature much harsher than warranted. This from Spoony, who could enjoy the sheer goofiness of the Rocky franchise but rightly not give Bayformers a freaking pass. Spoony, who hangs w/ a robot mascot and insane doctor, who could not find the frequency to better enjoy the film w/ all the ways it unabashedly fell short.
I don’t expect Spoony to do an about face from commentary but I hope he finds some balance so that all the bile and hatred is checked.
Nice Asimov vid BTW.
Chicago, Munich, Brokeback Mountain, Hotel Rwanda, Notting Hill, Mulholland Drive, On the Waterfront, District 9, Chinatown, Casablanca, Bridges of Madison County, Fargo, Synecdoche New York, Manhattan, The Apartment, Sin City, Mystic River, Metropolis, Sunset Boulevard, Rear Window, Rio Bravo, Up and Philadelphia…
You are thrashing “wacky” scientists?? You play Dr. Insano for God’s sake! :)
While I did really enjoy the movie and had an awesome time watching it at the cinema (and I even LOVED the score), I kind of have to agree with most of Spoony’s points ^_^; The fighting was amazing, the monsters were creative and yeah, so many cool scenes!
But the story, characters and comedy… errrr, no. Except child Mako with the red shoe, she was great.
Honestly, Spoony has a point – the movie should have been 20 minutes shorter. Ideally without that last fight in the pitch black ocean that’s really hard to see and makes no sense. Pacific Rim did such a good job of giant robots fighting giant monsters that that final scene, and the ridiculous escape following it, just soured it. If it had ended in Hong Kong somehow, it would have been the perfect finish.
I don’t know what you guys are complaining about, I love milesexperiment.com
Coyote Tango (the one the Marshall piloted) was a japanese Jaeger.
Kind of lost me when he said that Gravity looks good, and that his brother found Iron Man 3 to be very enjoyable.
The crazy scientist was the only good thing about it, all the characters should have been over-the-top like that.
Miles has completly different taste that I have. He like bypass all the bad shit just cause he wants big robots fighting big monsters. Absolute mediocrity from top to bottom.
You know, that whole “what are you expecting, Citizen Kane?” mentality is exactly what allows filmmakers to keep making crap without consequence.
The whole comment about the score I disagree with, but the whole bit with the unique Jagers and they need to ‘go to gundam’ or whatever. The director said that he didn’t want to refference any work of fiction in each of the Jagers. He wanted them to be unique to themselves. So no, he didn’t miss out by not doing voltron, he tried something bold.
Ron Pearlman DID have really nice shoes.