Hey this video opened the exact same way as Linkara’s vlog. I fell for it only because its tough for something like this to live up to the hype
Oh spoon, you had me for those first few seconds.
Where can I see Spoony’s thoughts on Cabin in the Woods?
Oh for fucks sake that link was postes a thousand times. Now you search it yourself retard.
It wasn’t posted THAT often. Don’t overreact.
It’s on his twitch account. Look for the Joss Weadon video.
Right here http://www.twitch.tv/spoonyone/b/315342218
Oh, this looks bad.
I was really looking forward to this movie.
_EDIT_ You sly motherfucker. You got me good.
I really don’t want to be a jerk.
But his fake-out was 13-15 seconds long. Are you honestly that impatient?
Yes I am. In fact, I posted this before even watching the video.
… That’s not a good excuse to post prematurely…
I am fully aware of that fact. I based the first half of my post entirely on the picture of Spoony’s face-palm.
You are now forced to watch the Smurfs.
May God have mercy on your soul.
I thought that Alien was more of a horror franchise than a Science Fiction one. Sure the setting is science fiction, but the formula has always been in running from that supposedly invincible beast. The problem with this reoccurring monster is that it loses all notion of invincibility when it’s always being killed by everything.
oh yeah, you got me alright!^^
Yah.. about battleship.. went and seen.. battleshit. About transformers type wheels and lights and crap, yeah. its just that. It has few entertaining moments to say for its defense. Unexpectedly it kinda poked a wet finger into american navys ear in one or 2 occasions and it has quite amusing “last fight” as you could call it.
Kills few dozen laws of physics… but still amusing.
Especially funny i had when they literally drop the anchor in the last fight and my brother spits his cokes through nostrils with “what in the name of holy godmothers tits is this shit” kinda look on his face. Considering he is studying to become an engineer in metallurgy or something (dont know the english name of his major subject) he could easily say they had no fucking idea what they were doing when that part of the script was made.
And about avengers, really have to say spoony gave it in a big nutshell.
I was really skeptical towards this movie, especially after seeing Ironman 2 and Thor… and especially Green Lantern. I am so happy that this movie doesn’t suck.
Also, the world has found something you liked, so it can’t say you don’t like anything.
Your a idiot if you think Cabin in the woods was bad. Other then that I agree with this review.
You don’t get a pizza roll.
You’re an idiot if that is how you spell “you’re”
Nice one Spoon, at the beginning I was like “omg i can’t believe he doesn’t like this movie”
you got me man, nice one
Oh Spoony, I saw your preview image and my heart sank. I’m avoiding all Avengers Vlogs until Tuesday when I see it but I just had to watch the first five seconds and in those few seconds I nearly forswore you. You got me. :P
Excellant spoiler-free review. Haven’t seen it yet, but I just had this feeling it would be good. “Written and Directed by Joss Whedon” was a very unsubtle hint, though. Just from the trailers, I feel your comparison to Transformers is spot on and very fitting.
You almost had me and I was thinking “Well I thought it was good….dammit Spoony, where did they go wrong??”
I totally agree with the half hour fight scene comparison between Avengers and Transformers. No shaky cam and distinct characters.
All I’ve seen so far is the preview image….this might be a good vlog either way
Damn you, Spoony! I totally believed you at the beginning!
Such an amazing movie to see, my face hurt after watching it, I was grinning the whole time.
You got me, I thought you hated it. Mainly because I expected this movie to suck.
I’m kind of intrigued now.
Anyway, thank you for making a V-Log again. I’ve missed these. Really enjoy hearing your opinion on stuff. =)
I saw the facepalm and was like “YOU BITCH” then 17 sec in: “You Bitch, you tricked me!”
It was a great movie. I especially enjoyed the comedy they threw in along with the action scenes.
Damn it Spoony! You actually had me goin there at the beginning!
I’m surprised you didn’t get the new Dark Knight Rises trailer with the movie. My theater has a DKR trailer with the movie, but it was a teaser. I hope the new trailer comes in another film pretty soon. My theater keeps showing the same Amazing Spider-Man trailer every time a new 3D movie was showing. I’m like, I get it the movie is coming out and I’ll check it out, but please stop showing the damn trailer again and again. I don’t know if anybody has the same problem, but please respond if you do.
*Beats Spoony with Mjolnir* You ass ass you had me going.
And Black Widow has ‘Stingers’ on her gauntlets that emit a bioelectric shock that knocks people out or does real damage I cannot remember its been awhile.
It was a female reporter that called Cap for not knowing about Twitter, Sally Floyd (which is a little weird considering he’s been around for the last 15 years comic book time and is in on all the cutting edge S.H.I.E.L.D. stuff)
Assign from all the action and humor, one thing I really appreciated was how they managed to set something up over the course of 5 movies that pays off, a particular plot thread and its a downer in the movie but really well set up (Anyone who has seen this knows what I’m talking about, won’t spoil)
That joke would have got me…if Linkara hadn’t used the exact same joke earlier. Well you know what they say. Hate minds think alike.
So according to interviews with the cast of Fantastic Four 2, the reason Galactus was a giant pink fart is because the director stated he “would never make a film with giant robots” and Galactus was too close to giant robot for his liking.
And that’s just damn stupid. If you don’t want to make a film with giant robots, why in the hell are you directing a COMIC BOOK SUPERHERO MOVIE?
And even if you argued just no giant things, why the hell is a man who can light himself on fire and fly around, a woman who can create force fields, a stretchy guy, and a big rocky guy with a Brooklyn accent all okay but a giant robot is over the line?
I’m sure on some planet, your logic makes perfect sense. But these are people from HOLLYWOOD. XD
my experience with this video:
*loads up spoonyexperiment bookmark**sees title of new video*
Me: oh yeah, that one. I wonder how good that i-
*thumbnail is Spoony face-palming*
Me: oh, OK
In case you just left it at that, watch the first minute of the video.
They weren’t very clear on what the Widow’s Sting was. She didn’t even use it at a range that I could recall.
well said…to the Loki plan thing.I think he was under the alien’s thumbs,its why he made it personal with all the Avengers.he wanted them to stop him.my thought anyway.And not a spoiler,but in the post credit set up…I was shocked,never thought they’d go that route,I’m a fan of the next villain and can’t wait to see him in action.
The Justice League is never going to get made because DC can’t figure out what to do with its characters on the big screen period. They have Batman figured out and that’s it. Green Lantern and Superman Returns were so very bland and I think its because they’re afraid to take risks with them.
This movie was so great. I’m definitely seeing it again.
I think the semi-theme of your review is something I’d noticed as well.
Avengers is one of those things that proves you CAN make fanboys happy and make tons of money at the same time.
(Note I am using “fanboy” just as a term here, not an insult, I’m in this definition of ‘fanboy’)
It seems every time they make some ‘geek culture’ thing they go “Okay, how do we dumb this down & make this ‘more real’ so we can get lots of people to come.” and most of the time that fails horribly, in box office, fan reaction, or both.
With the Marvel movies, they more seemed to be “Keep the stuff that’ll make the fanboys happy & just make it so good others will accept it”
You don’t HAVE to dumb it down, I’d be willing to bet a lot of the people, even those at the midnight showing I went to, have no freaking clue about comics. But ya know what they loved the movie, the crowd reactions were amazing.
That’s a REALLY good point. Please, please, PLEASE, film industry: get the clue from this finally!
I was afraid of needing a mop going into a theater of squeeing fanboys. Thankfully that wasn’t the case at my showing of the Avengers.
Screw Ed Norton. Mark Ruffalo was great. The movie was great.
I found myself laughing hysterically at the Battleship preview… turns out the rest of the packed theater were laughing as well. Truly looks like a $300,000,000 turd. Avengers on the other hand was awesome!
I interpreted the shadowy people who sit in poorly lit rooms as the Senate subcommittee or whatever that backs SHIELD. In Iron Man Coulson explains that SHIELD is a relatively new government agency. The reason why they were in poorly lit rooms was to establish them as uncaring bureaucrats
First 10 seconds: YOU BAS-
……..i totally just fell for that XD
heh I was just looking at him like a confused dog cuz I’d heard the buzz already and it was all positive. So yeah he got me for a min, but actually I was kinda interested to see what he didn’t like and why he and Brad had such different opinions.
Speaking of oo-rah stuff, I’m in Alabama so I get extra audience cheering for Captain America. Also, it’s not often you get a movie where the audience is actually moved enough to BOO THE VILLAIN. I have never heard that before.
Well, actually, all of the DC heroes are owned by Warner Bros., so, theoretically, a Justice League movie is more likely to happen, than, say, Spider-Man and Wolverine appearing in a sequel to the Avengers. And since Nolan’s version of Batman is strictly confined to his trilogy, which is ending, Zack Snyder’s Man of Steel might just start a DC movieverse. But given their track record with everything that isn’t Batman, it’s probably going to suck balls.
I seriously wanted to scream at my computer in rage at the very beginning, but you turned that around for about two minutes of straight laughter. Then I had about 38 minutes of intermittent laughter and intense enjoyment. You’ve really hit everything that made Avengers great and were really entertaining while doing so. I especially love the “Shadowy council of people who sit in poorly lit rooms and rule the world”. Keep up the great work Spoony.
As far as I know, there’s been word of another six related movies after the Avengers as some of the actors have stated they’ve been contracted for them.
Damn, that was a good fake-out! You really had me worried there for a second.
Did you know the writers of Transformers 2 and 3 are the executive producers on the new Transformers cartoon?
Captain America’s purpose on the Avengers is threefold: one, he’s a symbol to rally around. Two, he’s able to get disparate personalities to work together (in theory). Three, he’s the tactical and strategic mind of the team. For example MINOR NONSPECIFIC SPOILERS in the big battle in the third act, he sets up the battle plan, and they use that plan for a *long* time.
Spoony; to answer your question on Black Widow’s man-handling ( on the chance no one else has said this yet): Part of her back story is that she has a version of the syrum originally given to capt. america. All be it, hers is not the original formula and somewhat deluted.
can’t exactly remember if they went over that in the movie, but i’m pretty sure they didnt.
anyway, in case you were curious…also, love your reviews ^_^
I never see movies in theaters twice, this one im defiantly watching again soon.
My only problem with the movie, and in my eyes is more than just a nit pick was the painful comic relief and Mark Ruffalo as the hulk. They really go hand in hand because yes, I understand the tone of the movie, but if you look close, the tone is very much a mixture of all of the Marvel Climatic films. Mark Ruffalo in my eyes did a great job as the Hulk, combining the best of Ferrigno and Norton. That being said, all of the exposition for this new character had to come in this movie, so Hulk did really bring that more mature tone along with the character.
Where that hurts the film for example is in the ending battle where Hulk has two or three comic relief scenes that take you out of the action for those moment. It didn’t hurt the film, it just provided an unbalance in the tone of the Climatic universe as a whole. I’m not saying I wanted The Dark Knight, not every superhero film has to be dark and super heavy. It would have just provided that right about. It’s all a matter of personal taste.
The Shadowy people that sit in poorly lit rooms that secretly rule the world took me out of the movie a little bit because it reminded me too much of the council Gendo Ikari reported to in Neon Genesis Evangelion. Other than that, this was a great movie. It had action, a few laughs here and there and something many action movies forget about…character development. As you stated in your review it does everything right that the Transformers movies did wrong. Hopefully, those in hollywood will try to copy the things this movie did rather than try to imitate Michael Bay. (God does Battleship look like it will be a steaming pile of week old penut filled elephant shit!)
Would this actually make people read the comics??
Because they’re just like the movies….if not better.
Shadowy council are off course illuminati, based on the real world so thats why its not explained. Why would you buy into a president? everybody nowadays knows presidents dont hold any power….
Great review Spoony. I also didn’t like Cabin in the Woods and I am really exasperated by Joss Whedon’ fanbase because just his name in everything they think it makes authomatically good. Its so nice to see you happy :-D
This is where I disagree. It is a mistake to say that movie-goers only judge a movie based on who directs it. It boils down to taste ultimately. A lot of people are happy with the tongue in cheek way of how Cabin in the Woods spits at the horror movie genre. I think Spoony hated it because of the lack of context. But as you can see, quite a lot of Spoony’s peers did not hate it as much as Spoony did.
Somehow, Spoony has to include in his videos the Council of Shadowy People Who Sit in Poorly Lit Rooms and Secretly Rule the World.
I completely agree Spoony; The Avengers was really the closest thing I have ever seen to a live-action comic book, and definitely a very entertaining movie. I love how the creators of this film embraced the silly and fantastical elements and just had fun making them into a story without any self-conscious nonsense bogging things down.
For the record, I think you’d make a great Loki.
Well this review makes me feel more well-disposed to the movie than the dozens of friends I’ve talked to who have described as the equivalent of a 2½-hour orgasm, and then get all pissy and defensive when I’m a bit skeptical of it.
Huh. The trailers I saw were Batman, Spider-Man, Brave and something else.
Batman is DC… so no, that’s not the case. This is a Marvel movie.
I saw Batman at the place I went to, no Spider-Man.
First off: WHOO! GOT LINKARA TO REPLY TO ME!
Second, I thought that when I was replying to that that the original comment was saying “The trailers for The Avengers that I saw had Spider-man, Batman, Brave, and something.” As in, they saw Batman IN the trailer for The Avengers, specifically. I read it another way and got confused.
That makes no difference. They buy ad space on films that will get a lot of people seeing them. Hell, Marvel and DC buy advertising space WITHIN THE COMICS THEMSELVES to promote the other company.
The trailers I saw with Avengers were Amazing Spider-man, Prometheus, Brave, and Dark Knight Rises so yes, this is the case.
None of you people got the glorious Expendables 2 trailer then? Poor bastards because that looks like testosterone poisoning the movie.
Needs more Reb Brown though.
Dude every movie needs more Reb Brown. Even Reb Brown movies need more Reb Brown.
I sort of enjoyed the movie, but I think it should’ve occasionally switched down from the fifth gear. The movie was very loud and and in-your-face all the time. The plot was extremely stock and only there to present the Avengers with a playing field. There was no time for mystery or marvel (no pun intended) when you had to give all the different characters scenes and do a ton of fighting scenes. I guess that’s what comic movie fans want, though. I just think the movie could’ve used a bit of mystery and time for the audience to breath and rest their ear drums. (Compare: the Hellboy movies)
I did like how Whedon handled the different characters, which is definitely his strong suit. It’s not an easy task when you have so many different characters that require significant roles.
Captain America is the leader of the team. He provides strategy for the Avengers and is a symbol for all the good that is within the Avengers! :D
frankly I’m just skipping it. I haven’t liked any of the Marvel movies from Iron Man 2 onward and there is NO WAY in my book that one decent flick would make up for three to four mediocre ones that I had to suffer through. I found the whole concept to be narcissistic on Marvel’s part and I don’t feel like Whedon’s overly-smug dialogue has aged well. I’m waiting for Prometheus and Dark Knight Rises for my summer blockbuster fix and once the latter is finished I think I’ll be done with comic book movies for awhile. I’m just burnt out at this point.
Thanks for your opinion Spoony. Enjoyed seeing your thoughts on the Avengers movie and glad to hear that you had a great time. Agree with you on the Battleship trailer, that’s it’s essentially a Michael Bay clone flick with rehashed CGI leftovers from the Transformers movies. However I’m thinking the reason why it has the Bay feel is because someone in Hasbro figured that if Bay’s style made them a butt ton of money with Transformers, surely it can do the same with Battleship. It was probably forced on this project from the get go. Instead of making a movie about a naval battle using actual naval vessels. They opted to take the low road. Also loved your mini-rant on Transformers franchise in general and agree. As a fan of the series the Transformers franchise has so much potential but they went to a guy who’s only talent is to spit shine his own shit and be capable of selling it to the general public. The only thing that was getting to me about your review was your comic book knowledge, but your not here to discuss comic books. Just offer your honest take on what’s out there. Thanks.
In regards to the last bit about not seeing a Justice League movie because various movie companies own the various movie rights to each DC property. Warner Bros. actually owns all of DC comics. However for some odd reason they licensed the DC movies rights of each DC property (Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, etc… etc) to various production companies that are under the WB parent company. At best it was like buying a 5 action figure set for the children in your family and giving each action figure to your 5 kids. So the only way all figures in the set could be seen together would require all the children to agree to play together. However things get in the way like who gets what percentage of what and things like that.
However that’s changed, last year WB announced the formation of DC Entertainment which would handle the production of all DC comic properties in movies, tv, cartoons, and other non-comic related media. So now it’s like taking the figures back from each kid in the family and now giving them to one child. I’m sure WB is watching how the Avengers is doing and probably considering getting a second Justice League movie going but this time including the well known characters, and hopefully not as foul and crap-tastic as the made for tv one that was released around the 90s
I would love to see you cosplay Loki
this is part of a statement ed norton made on his facebook back in 2010. there was some disagreements between him and the production staff, including the director and writer of the film and the renegotiation of his contract after his Hulk movie was over. hell the original writer(s) of the Incredible Hulk put a small lead in for a Hulk sequel that will never happen with the addition of the creation of Leader during the movie.
as for Capt America and his powers, watch the Tim Roth fight sequences in Incredible Hulk to kind of get an idea of an idea of how much more powerful/agile he is then the other trained soldiers he was working with, along with the healing factor he has…although they do touch on Caps metabolism in the Capt America movie.
I want to say something meaningful and important here, but really all I can do is hope you cosplay as Loki. ^^
I can`t believe you find this movie to be really good, i was really surprised.
http://herocomplex.latimes.com/2010/07/12/edward-norton-hulk-marvel-avengers/ more of that article regarding why Ed Norton wasn’t involved with the Avengers movie.
on that note, i thought they gave Bruce Banner way more to do in this film then any of the other movies that he was in before. seriously awesome choices made by Joss Whedon in getting us invested in the doctor and not just the big green.
I’m so glad you liked it Noah. I’m hopefully going to see it tomorrow.
Battleship was terrible indeed.
Know what else helped keep track of the fight? The “Cap, you call it.” scene where Cap gives them all marching orders… Which, btw, uber badass scene…
the marvel movies are passable but wolverine origins did completely butt-fuck deadpool
Taking the mouth off the “Merc with a mouth”? Fuck You Wolverine Origins.
Actually the secret society guys that Nick Fury talked to are in the comics, especially the ones that come out just before Avengers, which was made to lead up to the Avengers movie. It’s kind of poorly done that way, but I look at it like this: All three Star Wars prequels didn’t work on their own because you had no idea who anyone really was. However, if you had read the comics, followed all of the CG episode of Clone Wars, and read press releases, and played the video games that came out, you understood things better. The same thing happened with the Matrix. If you played the beat the game, the second and third movie made more sense. It’s one of those poorly marketed things that are made to bring in more money.
The character that told Capt off for being out of touch was Sally
Floyd. It was an issue of Frontline which was part of Marvel’s god awful Civil
War mega event. it was written by Paul Jenkins and had Floyd claiming Capt
couldn’t understand American values because he hadn’t watched American Idol,
YouTube, NASCAR, and similar things. What’s worse Capt sat there looking upset,
implying Floyd was correct.
The Shadowy people in the rooms are supposed to be members of the UN Security Council. As SHIELD is under the jurisdiction of the UN, it makes sense they would be Fury’s bosses.
You really hit everything I had to say on what I thought of the movie. I thought it was absolutely amazing… Although I just decided to not really pay too much attention to the shadowy people lol
Yeah, it be pretty hard to get a justice league movie, you would have to get the people who own the right to batman, Warner bros, with the superman people, Warner bros and the people who have the right to Wonder Woman, Green Lantern and the Flash, Warner Bros, Warner Bros and Warner Bros, respectively. Then you need to get these people to talk with the people behind DC, Warner Bros. :P
WB apparently wanted to try and create a DC movie universe like Marvel did, eventually making a Justice League flick, but Green Lantern kind of ruined that plan. Hal Jordan is a dick.
Nice to here a positive review. Haven’t seen one from you in a while.
I knew Spoony was going to pull a fake “I hated this movie” intro!
And yet, I still fell for it. XD
Loved the review. I didn’t pay much attention to the Shadowy People, though I loved it when Nick Fury told them to screw off. :D
Yeah, it’s nice to see positive review from Spoony. Actually, i pay much attention on His reviews, because, the taste in movies and criticism is similiarly. I was actually waiting to see Spoony review on the flick, because, i heard only positive reviews for The Avengers from many of my friends and this is just a confirmation. Going to see the movie next week.P.S.Great review Spoony ;)P.P.S.Fuck Michael Bay, he ruined my childhood >:(
And he’s going to ruin your childhood all over again when his Teenage Alien Ninja Turtles movie comes out sometime in the near future….
yeah great to hear Avengers is doing well
Oh man, you totally got me.
I was about to quit the review and rage on the forums.
But then it turned out you just repeated what I wrote on TGWTG. I totally agree that Norton should have been in this, I’m sort of tired of the Hulk changing actors every single movie.
One thing to add from my side is, the theater i saw this in had the best audience ever. People were cheering like crazy and shouting at the screen in excitement during the climax battle, it was intense.
Thank you for everything you said about the Avengers. And The Transformers. I’m a damned big TF fan, but the movies sucked so much, and it’s great you compared these two movies, because Michael Bay needs to see that it’s possible to make a good film based on comics. ;)
The Shadowy people in low lit rooms, that rule the world should be a new shirt you make. You really got me on that trick intro man. And Spoony, can you please cut your hair a little. This is coming from a guy that gets a haircut 4 times a year, it’s getting to long bro.
Well, I didn’t really like it because I felt Hawkeye was a little unimportant in the movie and I’m a huge fan of Archer characters, like Green Arrow or Robin Hood
Great intro, I just watched the Brad’s midnight joywagon review of The Avengers and then I went to see yours and I was like “now you are just trolling” and same time laughing my ass off.
Hey Spoony, I think there’s a triangle behind you.
Looking forward to listening to this. I’m going to see this movie in a few hours, so I don’t want it to color my opinion ahead of time. But your analysis is always fun to hear.
I saw the 1 pm showing (EDT) and I agree with your comparisons to Transformers. Easy to distinguish the characters, and no stupid unwelcome comedy, whether it be “anatomically correct” robots, Mrs. Witwicky on a pot-fueled rampage or shamefully racist ghetto-bots.
My two main problems: First, where is War Machine? It isn’t logical that he would not be there. Second, there was no explanation as to how Banner got control of The Hulk, when he could never control the monster before.
It was interesting that they used the Ultimate Universe’s name for the Skrulls, instead of the more commonly known name.
Fox owns the Skrulls as part of the Fantastic Four package, so Marvel can’t use them in live action.
I’m not sure why they went with “Chitauri” though, when they didn’t look or act like either the Skrulls or the Chitauri. The aliens appeared to be an entirely original creation for the film.
Yes, the vlogs are back!!! Thanks Spoony! :D
Stopped watching it after 10 seconds. Spoony just spreading hate again because he wants to be different, no need to waste my time there, neither on this site…
Juuust Kidding ;) Thanks for the V-log.
I like those preview pictures that show up before you actually play the video. First you see the movie title, then a picture of Spoony facepalming, or with a whiskey bottle and depressed look, or some other self-explanatory random still-shot^^
Next video will have a picture of Spoony in a Big Bird costume.
I totally agree with The Avengers. I thought it wouldnt be good. I think Thor, Iron Man 2, Captain America and The Incredible Hulk sucked, but The Avengers was an incredible movie. I was literally blown away. The acting was good, the story was well told, it was fun and it had great action. I saw the movie on its release day in my country at the biggest cinema in my country too, and the everyone watching the movie cheered when something heroic happened, they laughet during the following moments and they clapped at the end of the film. It was an incredible experience. Also, its good to hear how you agree with most people when it comes to the Transformer movies. They sucked.
Awesome, I’ll be sure to go see it! I think the only movies I’ve seen in this series so far are the Iron Man movies, but I loved both of those so I was planning on seeing this provided they didn’t fuck it up (which I too was worried about, although no one else seemed concerned). I gotta say, it’s always a treat to hear you talk about a movie you actually liked. You really come alive and give such great arguments when you’ve enjoyed yourself, and you’ve actually convinced me to see several movies that I would have never considered watching on my own. Thanks for that. :)
Didn’t like Cabin in the Woods? Seriously, it was great for most anybody that’s watched a lot of horror movies and it was refreshing as hell for sure.
Anyways, Avengers was…a super hero movie.. About what you would expect just with a spotlight on one liners and “pissy little fights” forgotten 5 minutes after they happen again and again.
I can’t wait to see the Prometheus, trailer for this movie looks so awesome and Michael Fassbender as a blond android is probably the best cast idea ever.
There’s still a whole feek before I’ll see the Avengers and I don’t know what to do with myself right now. Anyway, my favorite Avenger will always be Ironman, I love how Robert Downey Jr portayed Tony Stark. I even liked Thor because it contains Loki and this guy I simply adore even if in the Avengers he’s only a crazy villain who wants to take over the world (still, I think he’s so much more than that) and Spoony really should cosplay him with horns and everything. Plus agent Coulson definitively deserves more love, he’s this kind of a character who has only a few short scenes for each movie he was in, but each time he leaves a great impression and it would be so cool to see more of him in the Avengers.
There is a lot more of Agent Coulson in The Avengers and he’s friggin’ awesome!
I’m really looking forward to this movie, but I promised my parents that I’d go see it with them and that’s not going to be for another week or so. After seeing the trailers, I was like “SO MANY BONERS!”
Glad you enjoyed it Spoony, for me it is as near perfect to a comic book movie as you can get. It just all clicked and what you said I think is right, by just being true to the comic books like costumes etc, it made it better because they were not trying to fit it into the ‘real world’ type thing. My son is called Loki so I was very proud of how awesome Loki was in the film, his rant at black widow was pretty badass! From what I heard Joss didn’t want Ed Norton and I think it was the right call- I like Ed Norton but don’t think he would of fit this more light hearted Hulk.
Oh yeah, well I named my daughter The Living Tribunal, so there.
Nah, funnily enough, she’s a DC fan so she’s more Two-Faced. /rimshot
I keed, she’s great.
What baffles me (and probably Spoony, from the vid) is that all of the stupidity doesn’t feel like accidental incompetence so much as an active decision.
WHY does Michael Bay have to throw in stupid jokes? WHY he add a generic ‘boy meets girl’ story in his Transformers movie? You would think that making a Transformers movie would be simple.
This doesn’t feel like real mistakes of story writing so much as deliberately pandering to morons. Which begs another question, why does this crap sell tickets? Is mainstream society so deprived of good stories, that this is all they know. Does Bay think these people will be SCARED by a good story, or that if they actually SEE a good movie, then they won’t buy his crap anymore? Is this all some sort of plot to keep society’s standards low?
Michael Bay would have to know what the word plot meant to be in on one…
I was SOOOO expecting you to bash this movie so when you started I was “Oh no! Come on, you can’t be serious!!!”. Yes. Yes you did get me. You lil’ sum’bitch, you happy??? In all seriousness, it’s kinda cool that you played on that, great joke to start the review with!
Damn you Spoony. You really had me going there for awhile, you clever bastard :D All kidding aside, it’s nice to see a positive vlog for a change. Maybe will get another one when Prometheus comes out…
I was a little hesitant because of Joss Whedon’s Cabin in the Woods. I kinda forgive him for Aliens Resurrection. Buffy, Angel, and Firefly was where I will always remember Joss Whedon being strong
But like any Marvel movie especially one where the final battle took place in NYC, I keep half expecting a dozen other super heroes of the Marvel universe jumping in. Spiderman, the X-Men, Fantastic 4.
hey spoony, what’s that russian poster behind you? I could only see звездные… is it star wars poster? doesn’t really look like it O_o
Yep that’s a Russian Star Wars poster. Kinda weird considering that’s a poster for a New Hope so I have no idea what is with the Jabba looking thing on the bottom.
I remember a great flash cartoon with someone commenting about the silliness of the villains’ costumes.
Galactus: “I CARE NOT FOR THE OPINIONS OF LESSER MORTALS REGARDING MY HAT”
“MILLIONS HAVE TREMBLED BEFORE MY PINK ARMOR”
ooww. i missed your vlog so much!
i missed your vlogs sooo much!
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH!!!! you sunuva! you got me there =P good one Spoony =P
Saw Battleship on a reviewers preview, and it fuckin blows… many pages of notes was written that day…
I was pretty ambivalent about this movie. On one hand, the building of the superhero team is done great, although it feels like you *must* see the less than stellar introductory films to make sense of the characters, but damn if the villains were generic and forgettable! I never got what was the deal with the Chitauri or whatever, and they seem to be treated as nothing but killing automatons throughout the flick.
I feel that a superhero movie is built or broken by its villain, and while Loki was good most of the time, he didn’t feel very connected to the invasion storyline even though he’s supposed to be its instigator. That was a major flaw for me. Spoony’s claim here that everyone was very well established rings true to the heroes, but I never got the deal of who or what the guy giving orders to Loki was, and what was he all about. He was just an excuse to give Loki an army of generic alien invaders straight out of Gears of War, or something. The omniscient council of vagueness in turn is apparently just supposed to be the UN Security Council with representatives from the US, Russia and China, but that was never properly explained.
It was a fun action romp with lots of great scenes and witty dialogue, but it’s not a memorable classic.
LOL you didn’t get me there at the beginning, I’ve seen too many good words for the movie to fall for it. :) BTW Prometheus really is about the space jockeys (which was very, very, briefly skimmed over in the first ALIEN) more than it is about the xenomorph and, I too, think it’s a good move.
Oh and, I completely bursted out in laughter when you talked about how Captain America was out of touch with the world and mentioned that really, REALLY shitty comic book, because I just finished reading that very book, like, last night. Civil War Frontline Book 2. Ms Floyd of the Daily Bugle is interviewing Cap and says that he’s out of touch with the american people because he doesn’t know what MySpace is, or Youtube and some other crap, and for some reason this discredits EVERYTHING that Cap has been fighting during the Civil War event. I wanted to punch this lady in the SOUL so much it was stupid…
I’ll probably have to watch this when it comes out on dvd. It’s nice to know that someone can actually look at a movie objectively instead of “oh you have to like it cause its this” or vice versa. I definitely enjoyed this review, cant wait to see the next pathfinder session! ^.^
First thing I thought of when I saw Loki in this was “Huh, he kind of reminds me of Spoony” and the immediate thought after was “Oh no, he’s never going to get that damn hair cut now”. Resist the Gods and chop that mop! Oh, and glad to see a v-log. More please!
You got to remember Spoony Captain America was a 98lb weakling before the Super Soldier Serum. He doesn’t lok like it but hes stronger, faster and overall more “enhanced” than Hawkeye and Black Widow. Thats what the serum did, took all of his psychical qualities and boosted them to super human levels.
Black Widow was injected with a derivative of the SSS, She mentioned it in the beginning i think when she first meets Cap, thats why she can go toe to toe with the aliens.
Ooh… you motherfucker. You got me so good with you intro. Love ya Spoony
How a person becomes the member of The Council of Shadowy People Who Sit in Poorly-Lit Rooms and Secretly Rule the World ?
I do admit Captain America is kind of…a simple kinda character in these movies. I don’t think Captain America is TOO bad all things considered. Thats sort of the inherent flaw between all these superhero movies; there are still a fair bit of blemishes that hold them back.
But I think The Avengers worked MUCH better than all the rest because we get an interesting stance from so many different characters. A Demi-god, two brilliant scientists, two master assassins, and a super soldier from the past. It makes for much more interesting scenarios when you pair the straightfoward Soldier who has a shaky concept of current times with Iron Man, who’s drunk while flying in a super powered suit and still three times smarter, and asking them to work together.
I feel like Hawkeye got kind of the shaft on character development here though, only getting a cameo in Thor and not that much development in The Avengers. Its great to see him work using that bow in combat, and I feel like they did a good job with him conceptually, but not with him emotionally. Everyone else gets far better screentime.
But y’know. I feel like Marvel and DC are at ends on what they want to do with their comic book movies. DC seems to be trying to go for the serious route, with Superman Returns and the recent Batman reboot (and while we’re on that subject, FUCK BANE AND HIS DESIGN. SERIOUSLY.), and then Marvel KNOWS its audience and knows what its trying to make with The Avengers, and knew how to make a serious, but funny and entertaining movie at the same time. Like those quick bursts of humor at the end, sometimes that can be a killer of drama, but at the same time, considering the situation, those bursts of humor help the movie keep from being too dreary and just keep a “serious”, underlying tone. Thats what Transformers COULDN’T do without it being childish or retarded. I got my gripes, but its definitely a great movie.
The Avenger movie was terrible, I guess I just don’t get it.
I guess you’re just a boring fuck who doesn’t like to have fun.
You shame the avatar you use. If you’re going to have such an opinion, don’t be so damn brief about it.
Cosplay as Loki, because you look like him, will you?
Does that mean you cross-dress often as well? ;)
If you can find it, you gain automatic membership!
You should totally cosplay as Loki!
Totally agree! Please do Spoony! Another great character for you!
Excellent Review. I enjoy hearing Spoony’s thoughts on movies because while I don’t necessarily agree with his point of view(ex.- Paranormal Activity. he loves it, I hate it.) I find him to be quite enjoyable. Its like sitting down with an old friend and having a nice conversation about movies.
Also I think they overpowered Hawkeye and Black widow alittle too much as well as underpowering Captain America. I think they did this so Hawkeye and Black Widow don’t look laughably weak compared to the others but I still think they over did it. That was only gripe about an othewise awesome film.
The “shadowy people” are in canon with the comic books. Nick Fury title is Public Director of SHIELD; the only authority he answers to is a cabal of 12 mysterious individuals. In the comics they have only ever been shown as shadowy images on monitor screens, and no information about them has ever been revealed (as far as I’m aware). They are basically used in the comics exactly as they are in the movie: to explain why SHIELD is involved in any some situations and not others; to provide exposition; to allow Nick Fury to argue against the use of WMDs (and thus explain why world governments don’t just go to DEFCON 0 every time an alien invasion hits); and to occasionally serve as antagonists to the heroes. They first appeared in Nick Fury vs. S.H.I.E.L.D. #1.
phew dont ever do that again this movie was totally fucking awesome
“Council of Shadowy People Who Sit in Poorly-Lit Rooms and Secretly Rule the World” is my new favorite phrase of the day. I hope they show up in Spoony’s next Ultima review.
And a huge sigh of relief was had by all.
Nail on the head spoony man, it wasn’t insulting stupid. I couldn’t watch most of the other comic movies for that very reason. I’d find myself swearing at the screen and acting like a grumpy old man. Just talentless good looking people, CGI and scripted for the mentally retarded. One niggle i had was the way the hulk was trashing them one minute and next (before the big battle) he’s best buds with everyone, no development. I can’t tell if rob jr was the star of the show or was just given the best lines?
You are totally right about Robert Downy Jr., but he is given the best lines simply because.. he is Robert Downy Jr.. He played the Iron Man role so well and he gives a lot personality to his roles. But the reason he is pretty much the star is because Tony Stark the only character we’ve ever seen and followed around in his personal life because he’s the only one who really HAS a personal life outside of being a super hero. We really got to see who he was well before (And even during) the whole Iron Man suit came into play. So he kind of had to be the star, but they did a very good job at making everyone else near or at his level in terms of attention and starpower.
frickin do the ultima 9 review or i’ll get a bus ticket to new mexico and take the most mondo gnarly shit on your chest that u ever had done. nerd.
Got me good with the “negative review”!
Am I the only person who really liked cabin in the woods, ill admit I like cliche American teen murder flicks more than most people probably should but still it was funny, interesting and refreshingly simple.
My mother liked it, so you’re not the only one. I personally didn’t go see it.
you’re an idiot. Go swallow a bucket of active pepsin.
Pepsinogen is the inactive form of pepsin. By definition pepsin is active. Your statement is redundant. Also, why pepsin? Wouldn’t HCl hurt more and be more in keeping with classical insults? Honestly, this just makes it look like you didn’t know what pepsin is in the first place, considering that the bonds in protein that pepsin breaks down are generally slow to take effect considering that the acidic nature of stomach acid usually breaks down the tertiary structure of proteins anyway, leaving usually just primary and occasionally secondary structures to pepsin. Swallowing a bucket of pepsin would be painful certainly, but probably salvagable considering that any kind of solution that the pepsin was in would probably make it to the stomach fairly quickly anyway, leaving only a residual amount in the mouth, pharynx and osophagus mucosa that, without more pepsinogen to auto-activate to turn into pepsin, wouldn’t be able to do much in the long run.
So maybe, HCl next insult?
What the heck is your problem?
Just another troll. PLEASE DON’T FEED THE TROLL.
Dear Spoony… first time ever i disagree with you… I saw Battleship and to my unexpected surprise it was pretty good! Sure there’s a little ”ooohaa” and some american flag, eh it is an american movie after all, still story it’s pretty descent, Specials effect are very very good and on the fact that we couldn’t beat them cause of a superior technology, sure, but not impossible if the said technology is not that far superior or based on same physical/chemical rules… Remember Viet-Nam? And yeah clean camera too!
well spoony, you know you’re going to need to tell us all your thoughts on Cabin in the Woods.
There you go.
Wait…wait… where the fuck did that website come from??? Where did- what did-I just-…
Please reveal your magical powers of investigative net-surfing my good sir, because I honestly have no idea how the fuck you found that. Does this mean there are other Spoony reviews I don’t know about that aren’t on this site??
… The world has just become that much stranger and scarier *whimper*.
Its mostly Let’s Plays and “spur of the moment” videos. Most of the noteworthy content is already here on the site. I would highly recommend his yet to be finished Let’s Play of Kingdom Hearts though. This is also where he does the Pathfinder games that he has been uploading lately.
Aw, awesome!! Thankyou so much!!!
I never would have found it! Yes! New material to watch for when I go into hospital! Fucking yes!! …Now I just need to pay for a mobile internet router (looks sadly at empty wallet)
Seriously, this is such perfect timing. THANKYOU!
I love spoony and his let’s plays, but the Kingdom Hearts one got a little boring when it got to the Alice parts.
I’ve never seen this Spoony vs the Internet thing before and I didn’t like it. He was so venomous and bitter it killed any excitement I had. I don’t like to see Spoony that way…
Got me good with the first bit; always love to hear your views Spoony.
so are you vlogs in character still or just yourself, or a hybrid? and yeah u got me lol i heard it was amazing
BTW, that lady on the Council of Poor Lighting is Jenny Agutter, who has among her geek cred roles are the Psiren hallucination of Kryten’s creator on Red Dwarf and the insanely hot girl from Logan’s Run.
Loled so much at “shadowy council of people who sit in poorly lit rooms and rule the world”. Prequel comic “Fury’s big week” kinda introduces them.
Saw the movie last night.
Summary: The Avenger movie has a shallow plot, predictable plot, but it was legitimately fun.
It lacks the degree of involvement for character development of the individual launch movies (Iron Man 1, Captain America, Thor, and The Incredible Hulk), but the movie doesn’t insult you with its simplicity or its premise.
http://www.d20monkey.com/2011/10/12/disassembled/ Good flick, Spoony nailed it on the head; but should’ve had Norton as Banner. Hulk was good, Banner was the weak link.
Worst Insult EVER “Michael Bay wanna be.” LOL…
You still need a news feed like CinaMassacure.
I want that shirt.
You HAVE to do Loki cosplay! Few people could pull it off as well as you.
I have to ask, why you have to start in on Michael Bay again. I mean for the love of god, Bay” s movies, I know can’t compare to Avengers in any shape or form. Or for that matter any normal brainless action movie, but do you have to bring it up and spend some time again bashing transformers for all its worth. I mean get over it, its old news, and you have spent two videos of varying length detailing your set of problems with them. Shut up about them, who cares, its just more Bay bashing. And I know I sound like I’m defending the man, but I’m not, I don’t consider him a good filmmaker, but please just stop. And by the
To be fair, later in the review he did retract that thing about the Captain America movie and said that Capt. America was in fact a very good movie, but just one he didn’t like and that it was probably due to his issues with the character more than the movie itself.
Anyway, I agree with you that enough has been said about Bay and Transformers on Spoony’s part – actually everyone can probably stop going on about it at this point, as you said, old news get over it. I get where he’s coming from trying to use a bad movie or series to compare Avengers to in order to show what it’s done right and how good it is but…well… choose a different movie/franchise maybe? Honestly, Transformers is just a painful memory I’d like to forget and it’d be nice if it’d just stay forgotten… unless Michael Bay makes the horrible mistake of trying to make a 4th movie in which case the internet needs to collectively pool funds to hire someone to either rob the man blind so he has no money to make the damn thing or “make him disappear” (no questions asked).
wait, a shadowee council of evil men in pourly lit rooms that rule the world… ITS THE FUCKING PATRIOTS!!!!!
Aww, so nice to see Noah happy for once! Not that you don’t like movies, Spoony, but you have to actually REVIEW a fuck-ton of bad ones, so it’s so nice to see you weren’t tearing your hair out this time.
I haven’t seen the Avengers yet, but I’ve been both looking forward to it and worried as hell that it was going to be one clusterfuck that Joss Whedon was going to screw up horribly. Lovely to see that my fears were unfounded. All I want is an entertaining, fun, solid superhero movie with good characterisation and a solid plot. And it looks like that’s pretty much what we’ve got (yes!) … Unfortunately, considering that I have to go into hospital on Tuesday and will be on even more painkillers when I come out, I probably won’t be seeing it for a while ;_;
I swear that if I miss this coming out in cinemas and have to see it on dvd I will be buying an AK and holding up a damn movie theatre to get them to play it. I may be a terrible shot, but the sheer unpredictability of where the bullets will land will be more scary than someone who’s moderately competent!
Ahem… Anyway, the only thing I have to disagree with is the idea that Capt’s powers weren’t firmly defined in his movie. “The First Avenger” did give a very comprehensive showing of Capt’s basic physical-attributes-and-metabolism-enhancement gig, but if memory serves, one of the showing point on the good doctor’s serum was that the potential was still unexplored at that time, and they didn’t know how the serum would affect him in the future.
Actually, I think by far that Thor was the weakest point of the group. Certainly his movie was predictable to the point of boredom the majority of the time – the only saving grace and the reason why I liked this film was the parts on Asgard, usually the bits excluding the title character. If any character could be called 2-D I would vote up Thor in his movie without hesitation. There was very limited depth to his character which is horribly disappointing considering how much of an awesome badass he is in comics. I almost died when I saw another “alien/time-traveller/foreign-person trapped and bumbling in America plotline” assigned to THOR of all people (for fuck’s sake who wrote that damn script?). Hopkins as Odin certainly didn’t hurt the piece though.
Just on the point about fanbase loyalty though, I think that Joss Whedon’s fanbase was cemented so definitively by Firefly – and to a lesser extent Buffy and Angel – that anything he did after that was at the very least forgiven and forgotten, and at the most adored. Firefly – and its lost potential – has become such a sci-fi landmark that even when Joss Whedon has done terrible movies, the immediate gut response is either – before you correct yourself for being blind-sighted – “yeah, but he created Firefly,” or “damn, how could he produce something so bad when he created Firefly?” … Damn you network executives!!!
Okay, done rambling now.
i think that what black widow has on her fists is some kind of an electic knuckle duster.
ps. great vlog, and u totally got me with start
The DC characters as well as the Justice League, are in fact owned by one company. DC/Time Warner or Warner Bros. The real reason why there’s no Justice League movie, is because there too scared to put any effort in to something like that. And that a lot of there movies have sucked pretty badly. Like Green Lantern, witch as you know bombed badly. And that was supposed to be there first movie into the Justice League movie. But, seeing how Warner Bros likes to pussy foot there way around things, they fucked it up pretty badly.
All that’s really needed is for Warner Bros to straighten their act together, before doing something this big. But, then again we’re talking about Warner Bros, the same idiots that hired Dan DiDio. The same Dan DiDio that killed Mainframe Entertainment that used to make The Reboot cartoon. And was the idiots that got Amazons Attack made. Just wanted to let you know. :)
Good point, it’s what makes the whole DC mess all the sadder, it’s already controlled by one company, a company with a freakin’ movie studio. They should have done this even before Marvel.
Apart from the recent Christopher Nolan Batman films, DC doesn’t really have any good, recent comic-book based movies.
Just saw it and
“There is only one god, and he surely don’t look like this…”
/facepalm, it was near unforgiveable, omfg.
It’s something silly for a modern day person to say, and that was the point - to show what an out of touch fuddy duddy Captain America is. At least that’s what I thought considering Joss Whedon is atheist.
You know, it is possible to be a skeptic of things supernatural and still not get completely bent out of shape every time a character who does believe such things is presented in a movie or work of fiction. In much the same way that it is possible to be straight but not go apeshit every time a gay guy is shown on TV. Just saying.
I personally would not mind spoilers in your reviews. I actually prefer that because then I wouldn’t have to watch the movie!
I knew you couldn’t be serious at the beginning. I KNEW you loved it because so did I.
SPOONY! LOOK OUT SOMEONE IS SNIPPING YOU!
I really like Spoony’s comparison of The Avengers movie with the Transformers movies. The Avenger is what the Transformers movies should have been.
“Shadowy people in poorly-lit rooms who secretly rule the world” the SPPLRWSRW
Should totally be a t-shirt
Hey Spoony, A little trivia for you: The Battleship movie was optioned with a variety of other game-based movies, including…. Magic:The Gathering
Thats right: there could have been a Magic the Gathering movie… and we got battleship instead… Think about that.
HAHAHAHA, Spoony, you totally got me for two seconds. CURSE YOU!!!!
I LOVED this movie. It’s pretty much the best superhero movie evar.
Actually, in reality the Justice League was probably easier to make into a film than the Avengers was. Unlike the Marvel properties, all the Justice League characters are owned by one company- Time Warner. So, it would be very likely to see Wonder Woman and Batman and Superman and Green Lantern and Flash and Aquaman in one movie altogether. It’s just that the studio itself probably wanted to develop other properties and other films itself. Marvel studios has the benefit of devoting all it’s attention to their Marvel properties. Warner Brothers has a whole slate of films to look over and release throughout the year, and banking a LOT on a bunch of separate properties that might not fly (Just look at the reaction to Green Lantern last year) is a risky venture.
I actually discussed this during the ride home from the Avengers and I’m with Spoony in that it’s unlikely that we’ll see a JLA movie anytime soon due to the fact that they’d probably have to reboot Superman yet again as well as start work on movies for the Flash, Wonder Woman, Martian Manhunter and possibly Green Arrow, Hawkman/Girl or Aquaman, only one of which exists (as a short film).
Coupling that with the lukewarm reception Green Lantern got I’d almost say that DC would be far better off sticking to their animated movies.
Though if DC ends up making all that happen and making a movie that’s as well-done as this one was, I’d be happy to have been proven wrong :)
Both times I saw this movie (yes I saw it twice) I saw trailers for The amazing spiderman and Frankenweenie So I was wondering if you saw these ones and what you thought?
Nice Vlog, Spoony! I’m not a great fan of super hero movies (I pretty much only liked the first Iron Man), and I’m really quite fed up with them by now.
But thanks to you, I’m actually looking forward to seeing this one.
By the way, what’s the “space face” poster to the left of the Ninja Mission Force poster for?
It looks interesting…
Great review, I agree with your points and comparison with Transformers, I even posted comment on a review on youtube, “Another note for Michael Bay (they said, “Note for Michael Bay that you can have a good humor that isn’t sex, racist, and dog humping joke”), you can have a 30 minute action sequence without it having it be, “Here this is what you came for right?!?”
Pretty much. Enjoyable, campy fun and laughs. The only scene that I thought was awful was the bit with Loki in Stuttgart. So bad I physically cringed.
I can’t wait to see this movie today at noon! XD
I like this review because you weren’t the only one Spoony to bring up the Transformers parallels and how this movie handled and done it a LOT better!
I agree with you 100% on I wish if they’re going to make the movie go all out don’t cop out and change the character because their comicbook appearance looks silly or impracticable to a few just go all out! The only problem with that is in this movie from what I’ve seen and heard Thor never wears his helmet and I heard that was mostly do the the fact they couldn’t keep it strapped to the actor’s head because they didn’t design it very well for the movie props!
I hope they make a sequel! As i already know the post credits scene and Infinity Gauntlet seems to be the basis but the only problem with that is in that arc Adam Warlock is the main protagonist for the majority of the book and I personally hate his character! He’s kinda boring, unrelateble, and comes off pretty preachy/dumb in the end! i just hope they don’t introduce him into the franchise!
I guess the Illuminati are in this film just they aren’t all superbings yet!? Well I do hope they do introduce Namor, Black Panther, and possibly Antman/Giantman into the movies at some point!
Hi Spoony. I just wanted to mention that as a fan of the original 80′s Transformers Cartoons, i can only say that Michael Bay didn’t stay true to the original. Not only that, i personally think that he butchered the franchise. The movies have nothing in common with the design or story elements of the cartoons, that’s why i lost interest after the first Transformers movie.
Ofcourse, the Cartoon wasn’t that ambitious or very intelligent in its writing to begin with. But it had it’s special charm that the fans appreciated. That’s why i’m even more shocked and saddened at the fact Michael Bay didn’t even care to bother and get such simple story elements together. Basically they threw away all that Transformers was just to have another Action packed chaotic blockbuster with giant robots fighting together.
They might as well have called the movies “Giant robots punching in blurred motion” part 1-3
^this is pretty much the opinion of everyone on earth man. i don’t think you’ll be burning a lot of bridges by not liking the transformers movies.
In a way he did stay true to the original series though – because there’s no doubt that the Transformers movies were completely merchandise-driven and as a result had very little focus on the writing.
In fact, he even thought to incluse the ‘audience self-identification character’ that was present in each and every Saturday morning cartoon show.
It’s just that no one bothered to tell him that what makes a decent Saturday morning cartoon (and I say this as someone who owns the first three seasons, the movie and the pilot to the fourth season on DVD) does not automatically make a good live-action movie.
haha u totaly got me xD
Don’t worry about referencing Transformers so much. Michael Bay really has set a very large bar for making shit franchises and making a train wreck at every conceivable level. Its only natural to contrast this film to that level of cinematic incompetence.
I get tired of unearned patriotism in movies too. Its not a slur against real patriotism to point out that movies frequently (and sometimes too frequently) use Patriotism as a Chekhov’s Gun. And after you see it several times, it does strip away the meaning of actual patriotism. Just make the distinction before hand and then go ahead and fucking rip that bullshit a new asshole.
Lol, you got me Spoony! XD
The Avengers movie was FUCKING AWESOME!!! Now let’s hope that they are gonna make an Avengers 2 or an Infinity Gauntlet movie. That, would be, the tits!
Also yeah, the trailer for Promitheas looks fucking awesome! Let’s hope that it will not suck like Alien Resurection or the AVP movies. As for Battleship, wow, that shit not only looks bad but it smells bad too. It looks so aweful, it makes the Transformers movies look like the fucking Expendables! That’s how ungodly bad it’s gonna be.
Why the fuck every movie/game now has an “Illuminati” type of group in it? I used to like secret Society stuff… used to.
Isn’t the Shadowy Council of people of Poorly lit rooms ‘The Illuminati’ before the Changeover to the Iron Man, Xavier etc… ? they’ve got their own comic.. maybe their hinting at an Illuminati movie.
Oh, you got me, motherfuck*r! xDDD
OHHHHHH, muther fucker you got me so bad.
I was hoping you would be the one lone voice of sanity. I don’t know what movie everybody else saw this weekend, but this was not nearly as good a movie as everybody is talking about. It’s not terrible, but there are so many flaws and so much missed potential with all the talent involved. My biggest problem is the villain, Loki is the most stock, non-distinct villain ever. You could replace him with any mad world dominating villain in comics and it would be the same plot! His plan is nowhere near as complicated or ingenius as I would expect from the freaking God of Mischief and Chaos. He might as well have been Lex Luthor or Brainiac for all it mattered. Or the lame evil army of aliens who are the Skrulls, but aren’t the Skrulls, but kinda, except for all the cool shit about Skrulls. And the whole movie is centered around a poorly explained macguffin that they don’t even use the right name for. It’s the Cosmic Cube, not the fucking tessaract! It’s like they took Ultimates vol 1 and vol 2 and put them together into one plot. And why should I care about this Power Rangers reject alien mastermind? The Avengers themselves were good, but they had no personal investment in the story, except for Thor, who has the same conflict as in his movie. It’s just we gotta fight a random guy and his random army to save the world. I wanted more.
“I don’t know what movie everybody else saw this weekend, but this was not nearly as good a movie as everybody is talking about.”
You know, I know we all like to think we’re right, but it’s kind of ridiculous to pretend you’re the one person who has the true opinion about something. When one person disagrees with millions, the problem is pretty obviously that one person, not the millions.
It was actually more of a benign rhetorical device, not meant as an insult to people who do like it. I just don’t understand the effusive love for it. It was okay, but not nearly as great as all the hype. And to suggest that my having the minority opinion means I’m wrong is equally ridiculous. Transformers broke box office records and a lot of people love it. A lot of people can be wrong
You can’t really say that after saying “I was hoping you would be the one lone voice of sanity.”
You were disappointed by the movie; I get it. I’m actually sorry it didn’t meet your expectations, because that sucks, you should get the movie you want, too. But unfortunately I don’t think the movie you want can exist, because putting this many major characters in one movie is stretching it already, and there’s not really -time- for more than a simple action plot.
But there was time. I know this because so much time was wasted on stuff that just wasn’t as impressive as it could have been. I don’t think the problem is that there was too much and they didn’t have room to be more complex. Just replace the third or fourth giant worm monster fight with a few lines about why I should care about the Chitauri, or replace the endless talk of how powerful the tesseract is with some explanation to indicate why it’s important, other than as a macguffin. Or instead of Loki just wanting to take over the world with brute strength, have him be the Machiavellian schemer that he’s supposed to be. His master plan to stop the Avengers is a joke. The narrative isn’t overcrowded, in fact it’s too simplistic. If you want to settle for simple action, don’t argue it’s a good movie, because there’s no reason to settle for that.
First of all, I think it’s wrong to say “settling for simple action”, because you know what, a lot of people -like- simple action. You can have your deep movies, your complex movies, your movies that make you think, but sometimes you just want a movie that’s -fun- and makes you cheer and laugh. In the theater I was in, people were cheering and laughing every other scene, because The Avengers is a -fun- movie and that’s what it was going for.
If you see it again, just try to sit back and enjoy it; enjoy the character moments and interactions. Don’t try to worry about plot holes; do you REALLY want to argue about plot with a comic book movie? There is no medium in the world, none that is as stupid or convoluted or nonsensical, as comic books. The narrative in this movie was simple, but you know what? So was the narrative of every single origin story and all the early stories of every one of these characters.
The Avengers wasn’t aiming for a Machiavellian story of grand ideas and complex themes. Maybe the next one will, and if it does, I hope it has more of what you’re looking for. You bring up very good points and I totally see where you’re coming from, I just think you were expecting something from this movie that it never intended to deliver.
I’m sorry, but that’s a lazy argument. Just because a movie is based on a comic book doesn’t mean the plot has to be mindless. I’m not talking about plot holes, but rather structural narrative problems that made what could have been a fun and interesting story just shallow and underwhelming. The central conflict of the movie involves not one but three macguffins, elements that can be completely replaced with no problem to the story. To ask me to just turn my brain off and enjoy the eye candy is the same kind of crap people who love Transformers argue we should all do. And don’t disrespect the entire medium of comic books, which can be just as deep and engaging and complicated as any example of film or literature, just because you had low expectations that were met by a lazy movie. When I saw Transformers 2, people were cheering and laughing at the racist twin robots, it doesn’t make it right.
I never said to turn your brain off. You don’t have to do that with The Avengers. I said to stop arguing about the plot.
Comic books can be deep and complicated, yes, but my point was that they can also be shallow and fun. They can be either, and people enjoy either, and The Avengers was one of those.
To disregard the type of plot this movie went for is to disregard a HUGE amount of comics. Do I remember Superman agonizing over whether or not he should help humanity and how his actions affected the Earth? Yes. Do I -also- remember him wrapping a steel girder around an escaped gorilla? Yep.
It’s okay to say you prefer one over the other, but I’m not going to accept saying that they should never do one and the other is the only one worth anything. This movie has value as what it is. You can say you don’t like it, you can say you’d rather have something else, but you CAN’T say that everyone who loves this movie is wrong and that it’s a bad movie just because it didn’t match your expectations.
I’m not saying that either. They can do both, it’s not a mutually exclusive choice. There’s a reason the Dark Knight is a much better movie than any in the original Burton/Shumacher series. It has the crazy action pieces like the truck flipping over and the motor cycle stuff, but it also makes you care about the characters. The 30 minute closing action sequence with everything blowing up can still work and pay off, but you could also take the time to set it up so that I care about the outcome. I’m not looking for some Alan Moore-esque thoughtful analysis or deconstruction of comic book superheroes, I just want enough of an intelligent plot to engage me so I have reason to care other than because I’m supposed to. Just saying I shouldn’t care about these things isn’t enough. Honestly, defend Loki’s characterization in that movie! Tell me how he is any different from any stock maniacal bad guy. Yes the actor did a good job, but the material was clearly lacking, and the same goes for the whole cast in my opinion. Joss Whedon has shown he can do so much better, and he just hoped we’d settle for less than his best, which apparently a lot of people did. Because Hulk I guess.
I actually liked The Dark Knight a lot less than most people did, despite being a very long-time Batman fan myself. There are more plot holes in that movie than there are in The Avengers, and the Joker’s plans are dumber than Loki’s.
I don’t know much about Loki myself; honestly, I just thought he was crazy. The god of mischief and chaos created a good bit of mischief and chaos in my opinion, which seemed to fit.
I liked all of the characters, despite not having seen The Hulk, Thor, or Captain America. I’ve been seeing diehard fans of the comics loving this movie, though, so I guess it works for most people.
Joker’s plans were dumb for a reason. He even says it in the movie, he’s not a plan guy, just an agent of chaos. Loki on the other hand, had a plan, wants to rule the world, and is very methodical about it. Other than the stupid choice to trust the Chitauri that I think Spooney even mentioned, I don’t even think it was all that bad of a plan, just from a narrative perspective it was bland, could have been carried out by any villain, and could have been a lot more tailored to the character. A random character needs a random device/energy source to call down a random army of aliens for world domination. Of course!, as M. Bison would say. I think asking for more than that isn’t asking for much.
You’re right about that. You make a lot of good points, and I agree, the main narrative here was pretty weak and certainly arbitrary.
Myself, though, I put more weight in characters than plot, and I thought the characters here were great, their interactions were great, their banter was great, and their teamwork was great. I feel like of all the things The Avengers did, it got the Avengers -themselves- right. I think that’s the most important thing to most people; we came to see the Avengers, and we saw the Avengers.
Your main problem with the movie seems to be that you had different priorities from most people, which again, is understandable. I really do think they were focused on introducing the team here, though. This was a “first mission” for the Avengers, kind of a pilot episode for the team. This movie wasn’t about the plot, it was about the team. The NEXT movie should be about the plot, and -that- movie should need to have a much more solid and complex one.
I love how the comments get squeezed to the side the more into an argument they get.
Oh, my god the comments are making me claustrophobic
It’s impossible to even post like this
“Just replace the third or fourth giant worm monster fight with a few lines about why I should care about the Chitauri”
You mean other than them being in league with Loki? Other than the pact they have with Loki that he gets to rule Earth, and in return they get the tesseract so they can conquer the rest of the universe?
“or replace the endless talk of how powerful the tesseract is with some
explanation to indicate why it’s important, other than as a macguffin.”
You mean other than how they talked about how it could supply limitless energy for the planet? Or how SHIELD is developing weapons of mass destruction that use its power? Or how Loki uses it to create the portal to the Chitauri homeworld?
“Or instead of Loki just wanting to take over the world with brute
strength, have him be the Machiavellian schemer that he’s supposed to
Like in the whole first hour and a half?
Maybe the reason you don’t get the love for it is because you apparently missed half the movie.
Do you understand what a macguffin is. It’s something that can be replaced with something else without any substantive change to the narrative. That’s what the cosmic cube is, it’s what the Chitauri are, and it’s what Loki is. It’s random stock bad guy with random stock army seeks random stock magical object. The Chitauri are the fucking Skrulls for gods sake. Do you understand how cool they could have been if they just used the Skrulls and used them to their full potential, instead of just making them like any alien invading force from a videogame? You wouldn’t have needed Loki at that point. And Loki’s plan amounts to crashing a sky ship and riding on a flying hover craft. Wow, how fucking captivating.
If you’re going to be that fucking vague about it, everything is a MacGuffin. Charles Kane could have been replaced with anybody else in Citizen Kane.
There are several times in the movie where the tesseract’s unique properties (that it’s a dimensional nexus that gives off a fuckload of energy) are integral to the plot, or at least a side plot. Likewise, Loki’s giant sibling rivalry with Thor is, again, pretty integral to the plot. Yeah, you could replace either one, but you’d be making a very different movie doing so.
And I find it hilarious that you’re coming on here writing novels and replying to every single post accusing everybody else of fanboying out when your major complaint is that they didn’t use the fucking Skrulls.
No, it would not be a very different movie, and that’s the point. Make it Red Skull instead of Loki, and the only thing that’s different is one character over had the only personal connection to the main antagonist (as slight as it was in terms of its effect on the story). The plan is basic maniacal villain. And as for the Thor Loki dynamic, it’s exactly the same thing we saw in Thor, so it’s not like it added anything that it was him instead of Cap and Red Skull. You could have literally put anyone in there and it would have gone the same way. And as for the Skrulls, my main complaint isn’t that they didn’t use them (and if you were paying attention, they did, Chitauri is just their different name in the Ultimates universe) but that they didn’t use an enemy with any distinctive qualities, no different than any invading alien army from any sci fi movie. The Skrulls and the Cosmic Cube are specific references to the comics designed to get fans of the comics excited, but might as well make them the Kree and the Oscillating Overthruster for all it mattered to the narrative. Don’t throw these names around and just offer a bland one size fits all villain and plot.
The couldnt use the Skrulls cause they are owned by 20th Century Fox, I think, or something like that…
Well That’s a dumb statement, most people won’t like The avengers, or will never see it, most people will never see it. It’s always the case that most people that see a movie like it. They wouldn’t go to it if they didn’t like it, what a puny dumb statement. I think that in the future time will look down on it, after the initial orgasm is over. I remember thinking Indiana Jones Chrystal Skull wasn’t good, eventually alot of people came around to that view, you can also say that about the Star-wars Prequels. I lot of people went to them but a ton of people have nothing favorable to say about them these days.
When you start arguing semantics, that’s when I know you don’t have a real argument, and that’s when I stop listening.
Those are really bad examples. A lot of people who saw both Crystal Skull, the Star Wars prequels, the Transformers sequels, etc. in the theaters fucking hated them. And that’s the difference between a well-crafted movie and a pile of shit. A well crafted movie will appeal to its target audience, and will probably have crossover appeal as well. A pile of shit will have trouble even keeping its target audience, fuck crossover.
I’ve read Marvel comics all my life and still do, I am the definition of this movie’s target audience, and I thought it was incredibly boring and unimpressive. I wouldn’t quite call it a pile of shit, but I can’t go as far as saying it was a good movie either
I agree i thought i was alone, this movie isn’t as good as people make it out to be. The ending was idiotic, the staff was the key to closing the portal, lazy writing at it’s finest. The movie was just a build up to another movie Avengers 2 , shame could have been great movie but the plot was week.
dude…u scared the living crap out of me…dude my heart nearly stopped!! I very nearly was about to rant on u….thank God…
If I recall, the slate on the Battleship trailer said “From Hasbro, the company that brought you Transformers.” Because they had to say SOMETHING to make people want to see such a fucking terrible movie.
I didn’t want to see it, and I still don’t want to either. And a spoiler free review informed me that the line “They sunk my battleship” isn’t utilized in any way or form or altered to be used in any way or form.
So basically there’s no campy factor here, it’s just a CG fest and I’m even less interested in it.
Quite glad the previews we got prior to the Avengers movie were all rather interesting ones, like the Dark Knight Rising trailer, and a new movie by Pixar.
Oooh, I’ve just now noticed you have a couple of Zero Punctuation imp plushies!
Anyway, great review, but I’m kinda disappointed you didn’t talk about the scene in the middle of the credits… when I watched it the entire theatre was gasping.
There might be one Huge plot hole in the avengers…unless i missed something.
Where is Iron man 2 War-machine throughout this movie… i think having another iron-man like warrior would have help thought-out this movie.Any ideas guys, Spoony ?
That’s a plot hole in any comic book universe. When you want to tell stories about world threatening events in multiple titles but don’t want to include every character that could feasibly defend against said threat in the universe, than you have to just forget they exist for a little bit. You think Shield may have called in the Fantastic Four and Spider Man too.
Technically, the FF and Spider-Man aren’t part of the Marvel cinematic universe. FF is Fox (as are the X-Men) and Spidey is Sony.
I don’t know about that. Maybe they aren’t in a legal sense, but Marvel is Marvel. Stan Lee cameos in all of them, they all appear to exist in the same continuity at least in the sense that nothing negates the proposition.
Wait, Stan appearing in each film playing a different role puts them in continuity? So Indiana Jones and Star Wars are in the same continuity because Harrison Ford plays a role in both series? :P
I’m in a pretty tight spot when it comes to the Transformers movies. I enjoyed the first movie fine. It wasn’t anything special, but it was kind of fun. And then I saw Transformers 2… yeah, there’s no recovering from that.
“Transformers is what the Avengers should have been”
I had the same thought.
Uh, don’t you have that backwards?
Isn’t the Avengers what Transformers should have been?
I hated the movie. Maybe it’s not a bad movie, but I was bored out of my mind the entire time. Eh, no sense beating around the bush: I thought it was a bad movie. There were plot points that needed to be better explained, like about what the hell they were all doing, or what the whole point of the movie even was. Maybe I’m just have ADHD? OH WAIT I’M ACTUALLY ABLE TO MAKE SENSE OF BIG, CONVOLUTED PHILOSOPHICAL STORIES ABOUT PSYCHOLOGY.
I find the fact that people like this movie so much, especially their reasons for liking it, to be rather…well, I can’t help thinking that those people were just easily impressed with all the special effects and action.
People keep talking about how it’s good because it’s better than a shitton of action and super hero movies that have previously been released recently. In other words, our collective standards are so low now, that we’ll take anything that leans closer to its source material, or isn’t some sad Michael Bay ripoff.
Also: That it’s amazing that characters from so many different intellectual properties are together in one work. In other words, it’s amazing that they got all these characters/actors together despite the politics of doing so. Still not a reason to be impressed.
The movie just didn’t engage me, and explain why I should give a damn. I couldn’t take it seriously.
The Christopher Nolan Batman movies, when you had The Joker threatening the populace, I cared. I sat on the edge of my seat. With some of the explosions, it was like you were watching that in real time, on the news or something.
In this movie, it was just kind of like, you have an alien/demon army from Dimension X…what the fuck…who even cares at this point?
Between either the heroes being threatened, or the surrounding general populace, it just wasn’t believable for me.
And you CAN make alien attacks believable: Look at the 2005 remake of War of the Worlds. Watching people getting ground up into blood both scared the shit out of you, and wanted to make you rise up against the alien menace.
This film was just…goddamn it, how many shots do we need of the frigging giant flying snake/whale/dragon beast?!
You know, it’s kind of silly to compare this to Michael Bay’s shitfests when those get savaged all the time by critics and this has a 93% on Rotten Tomatoes.
Just once, I’d like to see someone who has an unpopular opinion and posts it on an internet forum acknowledge that they might be wrong, instead of acting like they’re the only intelligent and sophisticated man in a world of ignoramuses. Frankly, it’s frighteningly shallow and narcissistic, and insulting to everyone who reads it.
Could people please stop citing critical consensus as any mark of quality? The Rotten Tomatoes rating has nothing to do with whether the movie is good, only that a lot of people agree that it is. A lot of people love Transformers. A lot of very smart critics love a lot of shitty oscar bait movies that are in reality boring tripe. I would be more sensitive to the majority if they didn’t always try to use their status as the majority to crush the minority opinion without ever addressing the counter argument. The substantive criticisms of the movie exist, and when people just say “more people agree with me so shut up,” it becomes clear that they can’t refute those criticisms.
It’s not “more people agree with me so shut up”, it’s “the same people who gave a fucking 30% to Transformers 3 gave a 93% to Avengers, so perhaps you’re missing something, and anyway your “only sane man” schtick is horribly insulting and just makes you look like a jackass.”
And your “other people agree with me so you’re wrong” thing is just clever and mature. Who cares what an aggregate of people thought? What does any accumulation of opinion have to do with objective merit? Argue the merits of the film or don’t, but don’t act like you are when you’re just appealing to the authority of consensus.
Boy, if you paid as little attention to the movie as you did to my posts, no wonder you hated it.
And what was the substantive point about the movie you’ve made again? All I’ve heard is what other people think of the quality, with no attempt whatsoever to seriously address my specific criticisms beyond “you clearly didn’t pay attention to the awesome!” I say again defend Loki in this movie. You could replace him with the Red Skull, or any other villain, with no effort. Same with the Cosmic Cube, the evil army, and all of it. None of it was specifically important to the story.
The substantive point I made is that saying it’s exactly the same as Michael Bay schlock is kind of stupid when the exact same critics that gave Michael Bay’s outing 35% gave The Avengers 93%. The other one is that, sometimes, just sometimes, when you have a different opinion from everybody else, it’s not because everybody else is an idiot, and even if it were, that’s not an exceptionally polite thing to say.
Like I said, you didn’t bother to read any of my posts. You just fingered me for some blind fanboy and fired away. Seriously, you’re looking like the “STOP LIKING WHAT I DON’T LIKE” kid right now.
chris and ben, make up right now. make love to each other’s butts.
Those aren’t substantive points about the film. Through out all of your many posts, most of which seem to suggest you feel personally attacked because I didn’t like the movie you liked, you’ve yet to offer a single defense of the actual movie that involved anything about, well, the actual movie. You’ve talked about the Rotten Tomatoes rating and the efficacy of comparing it to other movies, but you can’t actually see the obvious flaws of the film and defend them. I’m not saying they are indefensible, and I’d genuinely like to hear somebody who liked this movie try. But you haven’t, and the vehemence you have displayed in your arguments is as a result incredibly shallow. It’s beginning to become apparent that the reason you refuse to actually defend the merits of the movie is because you can’t.
The one who doesn’t have any respect for other people, much less dissenting opinions, is you, good sir!
The real alarming part is how you’re doing absolutely nothing to present a counter argument to mine, and just asserting that you think I’m pretentious, or immature, or whatever.
Why did YOU like the movie? Why? Try and form a coherent argument, I dare you! Unless you’re going along with popular opinion just because it’s safe and allows you to save face!
Why should I bother defending the movie or talking to you at all? You’ve made it quite clear you think I’m an idiot and a fanboy before I’ve even opened my mouth. You and Ben should go get a room somewhere and talk about your obvious cultural and intellectual superiority over us dirty plebians.
I never said shit about you being a fanboy. But if you were paying attention, I DID make comments about you being RACIST. No I didn’t, I’m just joking.
You have your opinion, and don’t care about anyone else’s, but I am the one who IS interested in everyone else’s opinion, because I DO respect other people’s opinions…if they actually want to SUPPORT THOSE OPINIONS.
Now, if only you decided to state your opinion, I might actually have something to respect and understand.
Again, I ask you: Why do you think this film is as great as you think it is?
“And you CAN make alien attacks believable: Look at the 2005 remake of
War of the Worlds. Watching people getting ground up into blood both
scared the shit out of you, and wanted to make you rise up against the
Which is ironic, considering that in both the original radio theatre piece, that scene was specifically meant to instill a sense of DREAD.
But it was an excellent scene all the same.
Still, I think they really should have nixed the little brat and focused on the desperate solitude of the protagonist. But they wanted someone to provide an excuse for more lines because “The audience would get bored with dead air”, and while failing utterly to understand the effectiveness of horror that self-narration can provide.
I agree with what you’re saying. The way you describe how the Joker was despicable, it makes me correlate it to other villains like Kefka from Final Fantasy VI, though he wasn’t all that threatening at first. But I can see you derive enjoyment from how much distressed or dreadful the situation actually seems in a movie, I know it gives it a sense of purpose, and a clear goal to stop a villain/catstrophe so people don’t have to think too much about it.
I do not blame the Avengers for not including such a thing, since it was mostly a fan-service movie. But still that doesn’t excuse it from it, and I do agree it would have made it better. *nods*
Personally I did like it. But anyways, to each their own. ^^
PS. Just a nit pick on your comment. The Joker did not piss ME off, he made ME laugh, because of his cleverness and interesting demeanor. The blood sucking thing in War of the Worlds, it didn’t scare ME, it merely grossed ME out. What I’m saying is don’t use the pronoun “you” for subjective opinions that you don’t know everyone shares. :) Again, just a nitpick. ^^;
Gonna correct you on the Justice League thing… that might have been true a long time ago, but these days, WB owns the movie rights to pretty much the entire DC catalog. That’s one of the perks of being part of a massive media conglomerate.
The reason they will never get the Justice League movie together is because Warner Bros. can’t get their act together when it comes to the individual films, let alone any thought of combining them. See Green Lantern, but really don’t because it’s terrible. They don’t respect the source material in the same way the makers of most of the Marvel movies have. Without a fluke like Christopher Nolan, they got nothing.
Something tells me with the massive success of The Avengers, Warners will get off their ass and get a Justice League movie going much like Star Wars jump started Star Trek TMP.
Aww man, I was looking forward to this one! I could say that this is just because negative reviews are more fun to make and read/watch, but I find most of Spoony’s reviews to be pretty spot on.
Well, if nothing else, I’ll see when the inevitable Rifftrax comes out. And I may end up still enjoying it. That was the case with Iron Man and Captain America. I only watched them for the Rifftrax, but I wound up liking the movie.
Aww, you got me, man! And I was so upset because I was really looking forward to this one!
Yeah, there was an article on Cracked.com a few weeks ago that mentioned that whole “What were you expecting from an action movie?” non-argument, and the writer countered it with “A GOOD action movie, like Die Hard.”
And the thing is, it’s not terrible, just not as good as it could have been, and I think a lot of fan boys are still struggling to accept the fact that this is yet another movie they built up in their heads and failed to deliver, so they’re projecting their fantasy movie onto the actual movie. Any criticism is verboten and clearly wrong and crazy.
Unlike you, of course, where you’ve obviously built up the movie in your head and it failed to deliver for you, so any compliments and positivity towards is clearly wrong and crazy. Including Spoony’s, and I’ve never seen Spoony go complete fanboy on ANYTHING. Seriously, he’s like the most negative movie reviewer I’ve ever seen, and even he likes this.
I’ve made positive comments about it if you bothered to read. But I also pointed out flaws, and apparently this movie is just flawless. No room for any critique at all. Are you kidding?
There may have been one or two times in the volumes you’ve been posting on the subject where you acknowledged that something might not have been complete shit, and I may have skipped over it when my eyes glazed over at your shrieking about how everybody but you is an idiotic blind fanboy. If so, I apologize.
As for actual criticism of the movie, and not the pointless rage you’ve been displaying, I thought Spoony’s criticisms were very valid and well-thought-out.
“And the thing is, it’s not terrible, just not as good as it could have been” You know where that quote comes from? It’s me, just a few posts up. I only bring it up because you literally replied to that post in which I made a positive comment about the film by saying I never make positive comments and think anyone who does is crazy. It’s called basic reading comprehension. Just saying
Ben, you’re not fooling anyone with this “I’m just too hip to admit i like anything unless everyone else doesn’t because being contrary makes me an individual” crap. we all know you’re a pretentious tool already, stop commenting. if you REALLY weren’t impressed by the avengers, you have no music in your soul and you disgust me, sir.
I mean really…spoony liked it. SPOONY. spoony could have six days of tantric sex with megan fox and STILL complain about the scratches on his back when it was over and HE liked the movie. just get on board the international sensation before we all kill you, butters.
The thing with Ed Norton is that with every movie he’s in, he demands creative say on how much he/his character is in the movie, that’s why they dumped him, it’s continuity based and not designed to fit Ed Norton’s outlandish demands…
I thought it had more to do with his dislike of the theatrical cut of the Incredible Hulk. He felt that it didn’t reflect the movie he thought they were making and wasn’t deep and thoughtful enough, so he didn’t do all the press for it that the studio wanted. That’s what I read anyway, could be apocryphal
I finally got to see the movie today and it was awesome! I loved every minute of it!
Well now for my piece on it!
Well the thing with the Hulk being out of control the 1st time and being in control the 2nd time was either one of 2 possibilities; 1.) Loki’s staff was still effecting his mind when he transformed and Banner couldn’t manage to control the Hulk. Or, 2.) something that does happen in the comics that is hard to explain in a way that just isn’t an exposition dump as even the comics have to flat out explain in the caption boxes and that is Banner can control the Hulk if he intentionally transforms like he did in the final fight, but if he is caught off guard and transforms like being shot or stabbed or is in like a car wreck or his life is in immediate danger he’ll transform and the Hulk is fully in control and is like a beast. Because there have been stories of Hulk being in Joe Fix-It(Grey-Hulk) form which is intelligent and thinking but if he gets to worked up and angry he’ll turn into regular Savage Green Hulk! I think a better way they could’ve shown this was if when that explosion happened that sent Banner and Black Widow flying threw that window if when he landed he had like a large piece of that glass or one of those pipes stuck threw him and he panicked and transformed!
That said i loved how Hulk killed that giant Space Dragon with one punch!
I do gotta admit they did Black Widow really well in giving hints at her background! I do hope they do a prequel story for her and Hawkeye’s origins! Maybe mix in Winter Soldier!
And, yes Spoony you’d be a great Loki in a cosplay… Actually after that last Final Fantasy review of your’s you probably pull off a convincing Lady Loki… as long as you do your Erik Cartman impression! “Whatever! Whatever! I do whatever I want!!!”
As for Captain America’s powers if you want a list of his abilities he’s basically a superhuman meaning his strength is equal to a body builders and then some because his body no longer produces the acids that your body does that make your muscles or body hurt when push yourself to the max. Fun fact they’ve discovered the genes in real life to make people like that sort of but morals in real life make it unethical to do that stuff to other humans but they’ve done it to beef cattle. The gene makes the body stop saving fats and causes muscles growth to double meaning you can eat whatever you want and won’t gain weight or and if you did the basics of a workout you’d be like a high school level athlete! Ok I’m rambling!
Well if you were questioning his powers because of the Thor fight that was mostly his shields ability to redirect energy out and way from him and sending it out and way from him in all directions!
My only plot convenient problem which is a nitpick to me was the fact why did all the aliens just suddenly drop dead when their mother ship was destroyed? I think that’d made the ending more interesting that even after they shut the portal down there was still like a few dozen aliens trapped on Earth. That’d been a perfect set up for a spinoff movie for SHIELD of them still mopping up aliens and alien tech on the streets of New York. It’s just kind of convenient for all those creatures to be dead and all their technology is basically useless!
One other thing but this is a compliment to the movie to me and it is taken strait from the Ultimates comics! Is the kind of post-9/11 style new coverage after the invasion and destruction of the city! You see the prayer services and memorials on the TVs. Bay tried to do stuff like that in his Transformers movies and it was very poorly handled!
I think the invasion team dropping after the mother ship got nuked could have been for two reasons:
1) We don’t know if there’s some kind of hive-mind thing going on with the race. *shrugs*
2) Having the Avengers kill ALL the aliens in a single battle would drag on the scene like the light saber fight in Revenge of the Sith.
1.) I guess they didn’t look like individual thinking creatures much anyway…
2.) Well, I wanted the possibility that there were just like a few handfuls of abandoned aliens left on Earth for like something if they did the Captain America sequel or a SHIELD movie they can open on them still cleaning up the few stragglers hiding like in the subways or them realizing gangs in New York have stolen the weapons left behind and are using them. Stuff like in District 9 or something that has happened in other comics before! I’ve seen it more in like DC comics instead of Marvel but the idea of alien tech making it into real world street violence.
I just never liked the idea in Alien invasion movies just simply by killing the mother ship you kill the whole invasion team! Actually another great comic with the same basic idea as mentioned above is Resurrection basically the same as that show Falling Skies!
Want to see this movie so much. I loved the Captain America movie and I keep wanting to see the Thor movie. This movie has two of my favorites in it and I want to see it all. Of course, I am going to enjoy the blatant fanservice. *coughthorandcaptainamericalookingdamnsexycough* However, it looks like a Lot of fun and I like fun movies
Oh, as for Shadowy Council of People in Poorly Lit Rooms Who Run the World I do agree as they had secondary characters from all the other movies one of them should’ve been like General Ross!
That said does anyone else think that waitress(at the end Capt saved and was on the news) was maybe Sharon Carter! A non-SHIELD agent version of her?
I also did notice the different scenes from what was in the trailers! mostly in that they used different takes from the movie in the trailers like how Tony said the line, ” A genius billionaire playboy philanthropist.” in the commercials it was more jokey and sarcastically delivered but in the movie he said it more spitefully because he and all the other characters at the time were being effected by Loki’s spear!
Oh spoony you got me, I saw the thumbnail and heard the first line and literally said “what the fuck how can he have hated it?”
I wish you had done a “spoiler” review though, this review was good and all but its 70% “How transformers could have been better” I wanted to hear you talk about scenes you liked and the characters and film in greater detail.
Glad you enjoyed it anyway, oh and i got dragged to see battleship – its as Michael Bay transformer style as… a michael bay transformers film, enjoy.
Spoony’s becoming a movie hipster. He seems to hate everything most people like.
Was i the only person who thought this movie was just OK, nothing special just another action flick with super heroes. I was actually really excited, shame it turned out to be the same generic action blockbuster.
People said this was as good as TDK, nope not even close.
I kind of had the same opinion. I like TDK because in TDK, there were a lot of personal emotions at stake for Batman. Not just the lives of innocent Gotham citizens, but Batman also had his reputation, his love, his very morals at stake.
I think Avengers kind of lacked that personal stake, or they didn’t go into it as much in depth. They just had to save the world- again. Thor is still fighting his brother, whom he loves, but after the first scene they don’t quite touch on that much either. Captain America and Tony Stark never really resolve their personal fight fully, Black Widow and Hawkeye don’t really get their PERSONAL vengeance against Loki….
But I guess you could also say that Marvel movies and TDK are like apples and oranges. Clearly TDK is much more about drama, whereas Marvel movies are much more about fitting in as much action and fun as possible. Still, I think they could have focused a little more on the personal drama, and maybe not have had the tension broken up so much by the comedic moments.
Edit: I would also like to mention that I looooove personal drama between characters, even when it verges on being melodramatic. In fact, I like melodrama. That’s just me, though.
For me the best scene was the entire cast arguing with one another, the scene was well done but the scene was cut-short with a stupid action sequence.
I think the thing is that The Dark Knight kind of negates much of it’s source material because it wants to make itself acessible to people who don’t normally like comics (hence why it, Batman Begins, an the upcoming next one never feature characters with actual super powers, Raz Al Ghul is probably not going to ressurect or anything in the next one because it would be out of contect.
The Avengers, on the other hand, fully embraces the fact that it’s a super hero comic book movie. It has the silly monsters and silly costumes, and focuses less on drama and more on action. I know that this means that some people may call it shallow, but for what it is (an action movie with colourful people in spandex jumping around fighting with lots of CG), it makes a really good job. Like Spoony said, the action is just so good. There is that one epic, EPIC scene where the camera keeps travelling across the entire city – without cuts – between each of the heroes. Even though the plot is pretty weak, i find it very very fun to watch. It’s basically a quality A popcorn movie.
To say that it is as good as TDK means it’s anything like TDK. Obviously not. I don’t understand why this comparison is drawn.
Considering what Avengers and TDK are, separately, they are both outstanding movies.
Bob the Shield agent…isn’t there a Bob the Hydra Agent who follows Deadpool around or something? Imagine if the Deadpool movie were about him O_O
who is actually reading any of these walls of text in these comments?
wait. what kind of lighting are in the rooms with the shadowy figures? i forgot after the 12th time.
Bob the Shield Agent kind of reminded me of Bob the Minion from your Dethklok campaign.
the thumbnail got me
My first thought after the troll: You manipulative bitch. (and I mean that in a kind way)
I agree a lot with what you said, especially with comparing it to Transformers and such. It was a great movie that I wanna see again. Went to see it the other day with my dad and my brother, who say it the day before. The jokes and action were great, the characters were pretty much perfect (love the Cap being a fish out of water jokes in this, same with Thor), the cgi was nicely done, the in-joke to the comics and the surprises after the credits were nice touches, and the whole build up to this was a really good payoff.
Plus, if you really do a drunken vlog rant about Battleship, I’ll so watch it because I agree that this is gonna be a trainwreck of a Transformers styled film.
Keep up the good work, Spoony. Looking forward to the Ultima 9 review.
Thanks for the review spoony, I agree completely. But please for the love of god, when is the Ultima 9 retrospective coming.
I haven’t seen The Avengers yet, but comparing it to Bay’s Transformers movies is superbly effective. Just by watching the commercials, The Avengers *look* like The Avengers! I had access (due to a friend who was doing some art for Hasbro for the licensing push for the first movie) to a small sample of the Bayformers designs, and I remarked that the Decepticons looked like pieces of shit (exact quote). Yes, Floro Dery’s designs for the old show are pretty simple (even though the pencil mileage is pretty bad for a TV cartoon of *any* era), but it’s damn easy to tell who is who, and even what sides the robots are on without seeing the color of their eyes. The criticisms of the ’86 movie further illustrate that those designs can carry a feature film…..provided you don’t murder off the core cast in the first 45 minutes of the film. But, of course, old designs = old toys, and you can’t have that with a toy company at the helm (and with two of the bigger villains turning into firearms in the original cartoon).
Aww man! :D You got me.
I just saw this movie and thought it was boring as hell. I’d give it a five out of ten. I was so bored in the theatre that I started to calculate what would
actually happen if you would get a stable quantum tunnelling through a
tesseract. I thought the previous movies (Thor, Incredible Hulk) were much better. The Avengers has approximately zero character development and is almost all generic action. The plot is extremely predictable. A few examples: as soon a Loki got captured my first reaction was “the heroes are going to extremely stupid and bring him to their HQ (which is predictable stupidity that happens in a lot of films), where he will try to destroy the Avengers from within by setting them up against each others”. It happened exactly like that. Another one: as soon as the shadowy council showed up I thought “they are going to distrust the capacities of the Avengers so that at the end Nick Fury can stand up to him because he trusts the Avengers”. Happened exactly like that. And so on throughout the whole movie. This movie works in one regard: it is funny and it works as an over the top parody of superhero movies.
One more thing: I have never seen the transformers movies. The Avengers was what I imagined those would be like, judging from the reviews I’ve seen. So if people think this was so much better than the transformers stuff I can not even imagine what they are like any more…
In the Avengers’ defense, it is genuinely much better than any of the Transformers movies. So is that video of the monkey peeing in its own mouth, but still. And it could have still been good even with the predictability if it was done right and stylishly enough to make you forget the cliches. Other movies have walked that line. I just thought there wasn’t enough good overall to distract from the obvious bad.
This is the best Vlog on Avengers that I’ve seen so far, I liked all that spontaneous indepth comparisons to Transformers.
The reason that I liked the Thor movie was because of Loki’s character arc. He was such a great villian, you’re never sure when he was lying or telling the truth in any of his scenes.
It would make my day if you cosplayed as Loki in one of your videos. OMG that would be so awesome! *squee!*
Black Widow was injected with a variant of the super-soldier serum, so yes she does have above normal strength, and a highly skilled martial artist dosn’t need to use all that much force to knock someone out, so I think she makes sense.
Anyway, very nice spoiler-free review Spoony, I will definitively go see this movie now.
Hope you are feeling better after your food-poisoning, looking forward to Ultima 9.
Infinity gauntlet… This is happening and will be AWESOME!
You’d look really awesome as Loki.
OK maybe I’m hallucinating but I’m fairly sure the Shadowy Council of People who Sit in Poorly-Lit Rooms and Secretly Rule the world are (a) canon with comics and (b) I THINK established in an earlier movie… Iron Man 2? Maybe I’m going crazy but I was like “oh those guys”. I mean it’s a bit silly but the whole poorly lit rooms thing is visual shorthand and it didn’t bother me.
I think Mark Ruffalo was OK but Ed Norton was better. He seemed a more natural Bruce Banner and it is jarring to have a completely different guy be one of the main heroes. I also think Terrence Howard should have been kept as War Machine, he seemed a better fit (no dis to Don Cheadle because he is good too).
Oh, and I thought Captain America was a very good movie. And the Cap gets a bit of development in this – like when he’s like “we’re soldiers we follow the mission” and then he starts questioning that. It’s his development in comics too, being less blindly patriotic. It’s minor but it’s enough so he’s not flat. Also he learns to trust his teammates which is I think the biggest theme in the movie.
Everything just worked in this movie.
You probably didn’t like Captain America because the main hero of the film is the least gray of the heroes. He’s clearly Lawful Good, to steal a D&D term, unlike most of the other heroes who tend to be more like Chaotic Good.
I LOVED The Avengers~<3 The characters are so damn great (LOVE this Hulk in it), Loki was great for being both the bullied villain and the kind of Hannibal Lector type, the heroes never overshadowed anyone else (my god, it was so refreshing to have two Bad Ass Normals deck out for a bit while the super heroes with powers/tech do their own thing), and things I hope would be touched on from Captain America was brought up in this movie. I was HIGHLY impressed. Last half of the third act when shit gets real? EVERYONE fucking cheered as they kicked ass. Every hero got a cheer, laugh, and "YEAH!" from the crowd as they did their thing. I have high hopes for Dark Knight Rises and Spider-Man 4: Spider-Man 1, but I don't think they'll come close to what Avengers came out to be~<3 Man, I hope if they do go through and make a sequel to Avengers (possibly) to take on [spoiler], I hope Joss comes in to do that movie as well.
Avengers is Transformers in production and scope. Difference being that 1)avengers is not blatantly stupid 2) Transformers is about useless and insulting comic relief 3) Robots in transformers are seemingly the same 4) Battles are made for something, not just to give the animator a possibility to jerj off to his quad core computer.
My friends and I do a podcast every week where we pitch movie ideas and talk about geek stuff. This week we did the Avengers. Check it out it you’d like:
when i saw the full trailer of Prometheus i was like hey was that the space jockey? i think it is. i really want to see it on fact of how well they define the timeframe. on terms of the avengers i loved it, i saw it 2 times and almost want to see it again…have to let my body recover. i liked each portrayal of each character. the actors fit the roles they got casted. loki was a big surprise on how well they expanded his role and made him really a force that was unpredictable. would recommend this film to anyone. that harder thing is how well the other superhero movies are going to be later this year. the little details they put in makes it a really good movie.
It’s totally the Space Jockey. Ridley Scott has even said in an interview that it’s sorta trying to answer what the Space Jockey ship was in the first place.
God, comic book fags are completely insufferable.
*posts caragraph after caragraph about how shocked I am that a movie based on a license aimed squarely at teens and tweens turned out to be a shallow experience*
*posts paragraph after “P”aragraph about how insufferable i find people who can’t fucking spell.
I did my own review of Avengers, granted with spoilers. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_giddftvBk
And I agree entirely with the what you said about the last fight.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFsENgBLm78&feature=uploademail this explains Black Widow and her abilities pretty well and quickly!
What? You don’t like Captain America? He’s not defined? He’s 2D? No, he’s a super soldier that will always be the skinny wimp from Brooklyn deep down. He’s humble and has a strong sense of justice and morality.
Oh Jesus. So Tumblr’s got a number of things on it that make me go “WTF”. ThinkGeek put out perfumes of Hulk, Thor, Iron Man and Cap. However…. the ladies are going into a tizzy over this…
The Avengers is good because it isn’t Transformers? Seriously? That’s what we’ve descended too? There is such a thing as having personally objective standards of quality.
No, Avengers is not a bad movie, and it definitely hit it’s stride but jesus was it painful getting there. And while I actually like Joss Whedon as an artist, the Avengers embodied everything that is annoying about his work. All the characters sounded the same, none of his villains had any degree of menace or suspense and he killed off a likeable side character just to make things “real”.
Plus while I expect comic book movies to have some similiarities with their source material, this movie stole the worst bits of comic book cliches: characters fighting whenever they meet, humanity standing up against the tyranny of villains in a really cheesy manner, incredibly telegraphed plot points (Stark “on the wire”, any of Hulk’s stuff) and boring action scenes. Seriously, this movies beginning was BORING, and while it did pick up at the end, you never really got that much of a feel for the characters, or maybe the characters are just that boring.
good observation. I don’t think making comparisons with transformers makes all that much sense, I mean they both had big budgets and cgi but I felt they were two totally different movies, I mean the transformers was obviously just made to reinvigerate a dead toy franchise. The show was based on toys it was never anything but a marketing gimic aimed at kids. Avengers was based on comics, and actual artists creations not something created by a toy company. But I kinda hoped they would have picked someone more dangerous than loki I kinda felt like they forced thor not to destroy him out of plot convience. It was like well we can’t just have thor thrash him as soon as he sees him so we will just tell him “thor thats not very nice don’t hurt the maniac that wants to destroy our planet” I wanted to punch someone when they stopped thor from killing him. Loki is weak sauce, plus thor already beat him in his own movie by himself with out his hammer and powers! Loki was the weakest of all the prior movies! Heck if they had reserected red skull and had hydra be the enemy I would’ve been happy. I was pissed when I found out it was Loki. Thanos is supposed to be in 2 if thats the case already I’m looking forward to it. Even if the writing is weak again at least they will have a real threat. Loki was a joke. Oh ending totally ripped off independence day. they had to nuke it for some stupid reason.
Yeah, Loki was a complete bitch, and while I liked the performance he delivered, he was still a complete bitch. No menace at all.
It was kinda the point.
It very well may have been intentional, but considering the Chitari (however you spell them) didn’t have any menace either, they were mook ass aliens that died like bitches, you had a bitch of a villain being supported by some Power Ranger level goons.
Yes, Loki is a ‘bitch’ but the thing is he is suppose to be. He is a villian, you aren’t really suppose to like him, with his underhanded schemes and destroying lives in cruel ways without much conviction. All of this comes down to him being a Trickster God. He has inferiority issues (which never actually makes sense as to why he feels this way besides the fact that it is Thor’s fault) and never wants to back down even when he is defeated. He is like a child having a tantrum (but one that last for centuries lol). Actually, I think Joss Whedon made the character seem a little bit tame with his villainy than he ought to be. Though, this is just my opinion. ^^
You can still do that character and still have a sense of menace or foreboding, I never bought the Avengers as being in any sort of danger from Loki’s schemes. And considering that he got out-foxed by Black Widow, he doesn’t even have the master of trickery thing going for him. And then when Hulk just stomped him? Credibility? Gone.
Seriously, Team Rocketing him was not necessary.
The only time that Transformers has qualified as a “dead toy franchise” was when Generation 2 petered out. The thing is, big budget motion picture=BIG LICENSING MONEY if the film is a success, and that’s what Hasbro was hunting for. And since it worked, now every possible franchise they own is getting the same treatment. Hopefully, those efforts will end up like G.I. Joe, whose first movie limped to a profit domestically.
Spoony, you need to realize that you look like Tom Hiddeston, rather, like Loki in particular, you should cosplay him.
“Micheal Bay is crap.” That line alone makes me want to buy a copy of Transformers and make that the box quote.
Oh, don’t buy it. Any money that goes to Bay, directly or otherwise, is a crime against cinema.
Spoony, not sure if you read these comments, but Captain America’s powers are not poorly defined. They’re actually very clearly defined.
The Super Soldier Serum puts him in peak physical condition, in all areas. Whatever the absolute most a human can possibly do, he can do. Strongest human man on Earth, like the guys who compete in those World’s Strongest Man competitions? Captain America is that strong. Fastest man on Earth? Captain America is that fast. He’s as agile as the world’s best gymnist. It’s not in any one area, in every way possible, he is physically the best that is actually possible in a normal human. The strongest vision, smell, hearing, healing, endurance, everything. None of it reaches into the range of super-human, only to the actual limits of what an actual person is physically capable of.
On top of that his shield is made of Vibranium, Marvel’s unobtainium, Adamantium was an attempt to replicate Vibranium, so it’s one of the few things Adamantium can’t cut through. It’s almost completely indestructible, and he can throw it with almost unerring accuracy. It’s like what Hawkeye does with his arrows, except it comes back to him, and he can use it to protect himself from damage.
On top of that, he has years of military experience and training, and has punched Hitler. Punching Hitler is almost a super power in itself. He’s an expert military strategist, and an inspiring presence to those around him.
Did you not get that he was talking about how Captain America’s powers weren’t clearly defined in the Captain America movie?
Was that really hard?
Actually warner bros owns the rights to all of the DC films, so a justice league film could work, But the problem is batman, Right now it’s to realistic to allow a superman character without breaking peoples disbelief.
Dispite being a mediocre film, Green Lantern already introduced alien life forms to the world in a way that can co-exist with current incarnation of Batman. So I can’t see a problem with Superman being involved. Wonder Woman would be more of a problem due to mythological background. But Avengers has Thor. Flash in no problem as he is similar to Hulk in gaining his powers. The rest of the charracters, its take your pick.
Black Widow’s gauntlets delivers electric shocks
loved the movie,it actually had a story line,character development + its one of the best action movies of all time
if you had not yet seen it….GO
Damn you, you got me
Shadowy People? All he needed to add was Bad Horse. ;-)
Please cosplay as Loki. You’d make a great Loki!
And as somebody who’s never seen any of the Hulk movies, I honestly never thought much of him…big green angry who smashes stuff.
This movie made me actually like the Hulk. Nuff said.
I do wish that they explained more about the Shadowy Council of People Sitting in Poorly Lit Rooms who Want to Rule the world. They were very weird.
General Ross was one of the shadowy people in the poorly lit room.
I was honestly really surprised when you stated you didn’t like Cabin in the Woods. Granted it wasn’t a masterpiece or anything, but I thought it was just extremely entertaining and funny, and I loved all the references and send-ups to other horror movies in it. Still, to each his own. In terms of the Avengers… Your review pretty much summed up how I felt about it haha it was very well done for an action blockbuster and was overall just fun to watch. :)
Nice! You have USSR “Star Wars” poster! :-) How did you get this?! ))) This thing is ancient!
Imagine, someone asks the artist to draw poster for new foreign movie called “Звездные Войны”… there is no internet to look it up, and he doesn’t saw the move yet… ow, you have to find the other posters, they hilarious!
When watching The Avengers, I kept thinking to myself, wow, Loki and Spoony look extremely alike. So then I just kept seeing Spoony as the enemy in whole film, it really threw me off.
Really glad Spoony brought up the Transformers connection. My reaction after coming out of Avengers was one of jealousy that as a life long Transformers fan we didn’t get this for our franchise.
Oh and Totally was thinking of Spoony as Loki, particularly in the Germany Scene.
No, not Loki! Loksano, God of SCIENCE!!!
The room of Shadowy People Who Rule the World is suppose to be the World Security Council. The US military realised how stupid the script portrayed them and pulled support for the film, forcing them to change plots
I didn’t like “Minority Report”, and Spielberg was behind that.
Oh, and what’s MySpace?
But we did get a Justice League movie. An animated one, which was… almost decent. Best of the DC animated movies i’ve seen so far was surprisingly Wonder Woman, but i haven’t seen Batman: Under the Red Hood yet.
Oh, dude you gotta! Hands down the best Dc animated movies so far. Even if you know the story, they do it so right it’s fulfilling just to see it play out.
When Ironman and Bruce Banana talk in the shield-lab, the reflection of bruce on the display is the face of hulk (with glasses).lol
Bruce Banana….sorry, that just made me LOL!
Ugh, I was hoping you were serious….because The Avengers sucked big time!
And to you, I reply with that scene with Hulk. And Loki. And the one line. “Puny God.”
You know the one.
Yeah. Avengers kicked ass. Cinematic genius, honestly. By simply being what we wanted. Not to mention incredible camera work, really witty banter between the characters (remember when that was good? It is again.) and development to the established characters.
AND it has Samuel L. Motherf****** Jackson in it. With a rocket launcher. Just… Win. On so many levels.
And to you I say, demi-god car chase scene at the beginning; “Quick, follow that God in the back of the SUV!” One of the worst scenes in cinema, EVER. The Avengers was not that great.
Okay, one of the worst in your mind, I’ll concede. At least you actually brought up a reason why it was bad in your eyes, so kudos for that…
I actually thought it was badass that without a second thought you’ve got SHIELD agents chasing down what they can only call a god (and they point out a few times that Thor and Loki are NOT, in fact, gods) simply because they needed to do it for the sake of the world.
So I think we can leave it at that. Your mileage may vary, like with any movie. I’m not going to rave any more and cry from the rooftops that it’s the best movie ever. But it’s like Scott Pilgrim vs The World was for me; what it did, it did RIGHT. Avengers sure as hell was competent enough not to be declared “sucked big time!” in my eyes… Maybe not yours. So be it.
You want reasons it was bad. Ok how about this.
There was no character development….at all! The story was cookie cutter, and in no way discernable from any other action setpiece of the last 5 years….basically a rehash of transformers and gi joe and all the other crap.
Next reason. The Avengers are all completely invincible…they can’t even get cut! The 2 characters that are actually human, Black Widow and Hawkeye, do insanely impossible, bone crushing, back breaking physical feats and don’t even break a sweat! Since they are all completely invincible it makes fights completely pointless and compulsary…rendering 90% of the film boring and meaningless!
The other movies (Iron Man, Thor, Capt America, Hulk) were about invincible characters, but that doesn’t matter because they weren’t about how many bad guys they could beat up, they were about their emotions and their internal struggles!
There were a few good and stand out moments in The Avengers. One was anytime Tony Stark and Bruce Banner were alone together! Those were gold, and honestly if they whole movie were the two of them, it would have been the best movie I’ve seen in a while! Two was, basically anything involving The Hulk…he was the real winner of this film. Hulk Smash, puny god, was brilliant!
Those withstanding tho, the movie was horrible! Captain America did nothing! He really showed how just being a big strong guy is NOT a super hero…..Iron Man was mostly wasted. Black Widow had NO PURPOSE other than to have some tits in the movie. Sam Jackson was also completely wasted! Also, wtf was with the whole, they need a reason to fight….how about saving the fucking world????? That’s not enough…they need to avenge the death of their recruiter who, honestly, barely had a part in this and was just an annoyance in all the other movies leading up to this! Sorry, trying to humanize a character by referring to him by his first name, does not make the audience care about them.
Hawkeye was also a pointless character that only served to drag the film down. He has a bow and arrow….great. Pointless character and the whole turned evil thing felt totally tacked on…and hitting him in the head cures him???? Come on!!! How Saturday morning cartoons of them!
Also, Loki????? Seriously??? Loki??? That’s the best villain they could come up with? The whiney asshole brother from Thor??? Come on guys, dig a little deeper next time!!
Overall, The Avengers was just one flimsy action setpiece after another, with no real plot or character development with a finale that reminded me a little too much of GI Joe/Crysis 2 for its own good! There was nothing original and only a few cool moments (even tho the Iron Man vs Thor fight was pointless and futile, it was somewhat entertaining to see an unrelenting force meet an immovable object) which did NOT make this the epic film I was both expecting and have been told it is countless times!
Maybe it’s because I’m not a comic book nerd and I don’t have a nostalgic hold on the subject matter. Maybe I am too critical of what should be a brainless popcorn flick. Or maybe the movie just sucked. Whatever the case, that is my opinion.
>How Saturday morning cartoons of them!
While i completely understand your arguments, why it is not a very good stand-alone movie, i must say all these cheesy and simple elements made it worthwhile for me to watch, since it reminds me of “saturday morning cartoons”. The whole movie is basically saturday morning cartoons with real actors. For me, that’s a selling argument.
mfw You obviously hold no nostalgia for the characters nor do you know about the subject matter. As a comic book fan, not nerd >.>, I felt the overall the movie was pretty good.
Okay, I admit it- you got me.
Shame to hear that you didn’t like Captain America. That was my third favorite of these movies (behind the Avengers and Iron Man 1).
One thing I didn’t like about this movie is the absence of something that you actually hated in Transformers. Where is the military? We see alien invaders, but the equipment and soldiers they bring aren’t particularly impressive- like you said, three relatively normal humans with very inefficient weapons (Black Widow, Hawkeye, Captain America) slaughter a bunch of Chitauri infantry and hovercraft, and those big dragon worm things are taken down by the Hulk using kinetic force, Iron Man with explosives, and Thor with lightning. Why the Council of Shadowy People Who Sit in Poorly Lit Rooms and Secretly Rule the World immediately resorted to a nuke rather than send in an army is beyond me.
Giving it some thought, it makes sense why the military isn’t in it.
For one, bringing in the military would mean dedicating screen time to them just as the Transformers movies did. People complained about that, and they would have complained about it here. We paid to see the Avengers, not a battalion of nameless, expendable soldiers. I mean really, would you have been satisfied seeing people fight with the same weapons we have seen in every other action movie ever made?
Secondly, having them in there would disempower the Avengers. In this movie, there are only six of them. If, say, a small squad of soldiers and a tank or two could stand on their own, then why have the Avengers if they could just send in a whole army? Sure, there are some things the Avengers can do that the army can’t, but those powers would be heavily diminished if the military can stand on its own just by sheer numbers.
So yeah, there are some logical fallacies in why the military wasn’t there, but if the movie did have them, it just would have been another Transformers movie without the Transformers, a film that promises one thing but instead gives us more military bravado. That’s not why I wanted to see the movie.
The problem is your second point still remains- we are never given the impression that the Avengers skills are all that important when fighting this enemy compared to the normal military. We do know that the alien invaders bring in poor soldiers and equipment that can be killed with conventional weaponry. But we still needed to have the eeeevil authority figures launch a nuke instead of send an army just for the sake of drama, and so Iron Man can pull a faux-heroic sacrifice.
They wouldn’t even have needed to show much of the military- I would’ve been happy with just some throwaway lines, or a small scene that just shows that humanity isn’t completely incompetent. Like, after Iron Man blows up the Chitauri ship, insert a small scene along with a line of dialogue that details how the military just mopped up the remaining invasion force now that the portal was closed, instead of the all the soldiers just shutting down for no reason.
It just bugs me because one, it’s a big plot hole that only exists so the heroes will have even more to do, and two, when the Alien Leader guy was talking at the end about how they underestimated humanity, I found it hard to take seriously because we only survived because of three lab experiments, two random and ridiculous SHIELD agents, and an Asgardian.
But that’s not true at all. Captain America has taken the super solider serum. They had that scene where he fights off the chitauri in front of that cop, and it makes people laugh because that’s something a normal man can’t do.
Hawkeye is an impeccable marksman, able to hit a flying target with an arrow that curves while he too is moving and flying in air.
Black-widow is a deadly spy. She’s cunning, greatly skilled at hand to hand and also a fine marksman.
Also, you are greatly missing the point. They ARE humanity. Their tagline is Earth’s mightest heroes. The Avengers, and SHIELD, are humanity’s best weapon and defense against threats to us.
I could be wrong, but I could have sworn that I did see some soldiers around, it just didn’t focus on them. Maybe I’m wrong and they were just SWAT though.
The Council of Shadowy People in Poorly Lit Rooms and Secretly Rule the World… have been in numerous Avengers related things… in some versions they are the world security council… sometimes they are politicians… sometimes they are just military higher ups. Either way, them NOT being in the other movies made sense… (except MAYBE Iron Man 2 and Thor)… because they are more related to Fury and SHIELD then to the individual heroes.
To me anyone who thought this movie was bad had one issue… they didn’t get it. They either didn’t know the heroes well enough… or tried to over analyze the heroes. Point is… its exactly what Spoony said… its a great movie because they gave the die hard comic fans AND die hard superhero move fans what they wanted… a lot of development… without making it a drama… and a lot of well shot action. If you expected more from a superhero movie… you probably liked Spider-Man 3 which made fans of the franchise at the time and Spidey fans churn with how much they got wrong.
This movie wasn’t perfect… by ANY means… it was great for what it was… THE AVENGERS. I am a die hard Avengers fan and thought… although they got Hawkeye WRONG… and Black Widow WRONG (she has a Russian accent… sorry… get an actress who can have a Russian accent to play her… everything about Widow seems wrong to me… except the spy part… that part was done well for a poor actress choice)… BUT for what it was built to be… it was a good movie.
Cut down on the ellipses, man.
I know she is Russian, but I’ve read plenty of comics where she doesn’t have the accent. Didn’t she speak russian in the film too? In her opening scene? That kind of implies that she is purposely using an american accent, and it makes sense too since the first time we see her in Ironman 2, she’s undercover with a non russian last name.
I like the Avengers more than i liked the new Batman movies. Avengers seem to be unashamed by the source material. The story is simple and doesnt have ethical problems because the comics didnt have that. Its not stupid and simple because of lack of craftsmanship. Its basic and “stupid” by desing, its exactly what it was meant to be. It has several problems. Hulk self control is completely random, The arguing scene in the labs had several forced lines and the last fight scene lacked weight.
Then again, perhaps it was meant to lack weight. Heroes are heroes, heroes win, villains are weak and will always, always lose – thats the point I think. It was exciting, but not nerveracking just like an episode from a cartoon would be.
Also loki is a relatively weak enemy precisely because the movie is planned for sequels. If the first avengers dealt with ultron or thanos then there would be no way to add more drama to next movies.
The thing is, Neither green lantern nor Batman, as they are today, can fit into justice league. They are their ons beasts, one made of crap and the other from gritty realism. They would have to reboot everything to make this work…
And rebooting the beloved batman would piss off a lot of people.
I actually did like it, I wasn’t blown away, but I would see it again if I wasn’t so darn cheap. Just the fact that I DID see it in theaters is something. I only had two gripes (no spoilers). Why… THE HECK… Couldn’t Scarlet fake a Russian accent? Was it really that hard? And why… OH WHY… Did they write a single line of dialogue between Nick Furry and Agent Hill whose sole purpose was to undermine the Avenger’s motivation? One thing you touch on though was how well the characters were played. The interactions between them were “real” in that the humor, respect, and anger flowed naturally.
Why would Black Widow have a Russian accent? She’s a spy, right? In the comics she’s sometimes faked being an American. If she had a thick Russian accent rather than the ability to speak English with an American accent, she’d be a pretty shitty spy.
I want your opinion on Dark Shadows.
You really got me at first! I loved this movie, loved it!
Actually, you’re fuckin lucky that you don’t live in my (admittedly tiny) country, because it’s only been released in 3D here. That’s right, every cinema in the country is showing it in 3D, which I realised after I wrote an email complaining about it to my local cinema, and they answered saying, essentially, “It isn’t us, bitch” (the lady who wrote me put it nicer than that). I plan to write to the distributors next. Tremble, KRS Distribution.
So, I was really apprehensive, because hand-held cam gives me vertigo (I only ever experienced the dialogue and sounds of the second half of Blair Witch Project).
Turns out 3D “only” gives me a slight headache and mild eye-strain. But I find it incredibly distracting – my myopic eyes are trying to focus on stuff through corrective lenses and 3D glasses, while things are shooting out at my face, it’s kinda dark and I’m supposed to get the dialogue, too?
How can I watch Prometheus like that? If I even get to watch Prometheus at all; my country isn’t even on the release list on IMDB. I’m having a mild panic attack.
Back to the movie, AWESOME! And nobody told me Harry Dean Stanton was in it (for a few seconds, but still, Harry Dean Stanton)!
I’d love to watch it multiple times, but the 3D is tiring, really. Lady from the cinema says the 2D version might be released here later, but on the other hand, it might not. So I guess I’ll wait for the DVD.
I really think Capt. America has a few more identifiable traits then you give him. Out of the others he is easily the most “super hero” of them. He never has a step where you think he’d back down, do the wrong thing, or question himself. And his line after Thor makes his appearance kinda defines him right there, the most awesomely generic American patriot you can get.
Though I find it funny how often it comes up that the Capt. can’t fly.
It’s not even a USB port. It’s a funky three-opening port thing that probably only exists on the Helicarrier. This is not only a USB Port Computer Virus Arrowhead, it’s a Port-Specific-To-One-Computer-Found-Only-On-SHIELD’s-Flying-Aircraft-Carrier-Virus-Delivery-Device, or PST1-CFOOSFAC VDD, for short.
As an actual agent of SHIELD… why would he even need this thing?
Went to see it recently. And I agree with Spoony that Captain America seems to get showed up in this film. He is sort of the leader but he is constantly getting his ass kicked all movie. Where as Iron Man/Hulk are basically doing all the big stuff. Thor an the others are just kind of there for the ride. Well I guess Black Widow does play a big role in the end. Loki seems like a really weird choice of villain to me. He works but he doesn’t seem that threatening. You never get the feeling he could actually take on the Avengers. Especially after what Hulk does to him. But the bit during the credits makes it seem like they might get a real challenge in the sequel.
Loki was the first villain the avengers faced in the comics of any note, hence his choice to be in this movie
I thought AVENGERS in IMAX 3D was really good. I was very unhappy initially because they started DARK SHADOWS which wasn’t suppose to be on. I thought everyone in the theatre was gonna riot over that which would of been funny but they finnaly started the right movie which was AVENGERS. Stupid projectionist. AVENGERS was preatty damn awsome and worth the 3D IMAX experince.
Anyhoo I am stoked on PROMETHEUS myself because I feel like I haven’t seen a ligit original sci fi movie in quite some time. I think my latest was PANDORUM? PANDORUM was good but had some fruity moments with the whole martial arts thing here and there (btw it was done by Paul W S ANDERSON who did DOA). Now to me according to Spoony BATTLESHIP should of been cancelled altogether because according to my dad BATTLESHIP almost never got released because of a bankruptcy issue but was solved which is why the movie didn’t come out in October which was it’s original release date. Now what I am still curious about is if Channing Tatum is still in it or not because I swear from the recent previews I don’t see him in the movie. Also about the whole CG issue, I think some of it may be CG but some of it may not be. The spinning vehicles were actually done by THE PARKER BROTHERS (Watch DREAM MACHINES tommarow for more details about this) and maybe they made some CG captures of the vehicle perhaps.
Projectionist trolled you.
The Shadowy group of people who sit in poorly lit rooms sounds a lot like Shield’s Board of Directors…
Which rest assured is from the comics…
The only thing in the movie that was “spoiled” for me was that Thanos was the “Man in the Big Chair” giving Loki his lil’ mission of destiny. But it went a long way to explain his modus operendi in the film. I mean, Loki has his own desires and drive, but there seemed to be an ever-present dread about his task. As if he was more afraid of Thanos then anything. And no matter the consequences, he couldn’t just turn back and face that guy under any circumstance.
yeah – I thought you were serious for a minute there haha
I really liked Hulk in this one
nice one, spoontang
(Minor spoilers, I guess…)
A few things about the movie that I liked…
1: Bruce Banner got a lot of Character development, and I was proud to see that they flushed him farther than, “RUNNING NOW!!!” and “I can’t get angry at ANY COSTS!”
Two: When Spoony said that this was “the dark of the moon” done right, I thought he was joking, but The Avengers move even had the giant flying ship from that move, and DID IT BETTER!!!
III: The bad guy at the end of the movie’s name is Thanos…look him up…he’s a scary guy that I hope they do right…because they can screw him up in countless ways, and people won’t like him after that, especially the comic book fans, like myself, that are in the audience.
Quatro: Lastly, in one scene they show spiderman on a rooftop, so they got him covered, at least…and I hope that they can make a good enough character for Avengers 2, because they got the Spiderman movie IN LINE with the comics.
Mind you, this comes from Joss Wheadon fan. I saw the ,,Avengers”. Well, it was very mediocre film. To say something positive about it: humor was genuinely funny – it’s nice to see humor that is not Michael’s Bay’s profanity filled, childish humor – interaction among members of Avengers was mostly good, characters were well played, special effects were good. That was good, now what was bad? Story and plot oh, story… It was vey predictable and simplistic. Hear, I will spoil the movie for you: Loki steals magic cube. Avengers are hired. Loki is captured. Loki escapes. Epic battle. Loki is captured and magic cube is taken back. Where’s the great plot in that? I think people are so used to crappy Hollywood movies that they’ll regard anything as great nowadays… What’s even worse, characters are lacking depth, they are one dimensional and uninteresting, so is really hard to care about them. Only one who was semi interesting was Black Widow, with her backstory, and dr Banner. A lot of action scenes were pointless – they didn’t move the plot forward, and they were devoid of tension, it’s hard to care when you know your heroes are invincible/not going to die because the script says so. In one scene Thor was literally dropped from the sky, and after that he just stand up like nothing happened. There are more scenes like that in the movie. If heroes are so indestructible, how can I care about them – I don’t know if they can be killed? What I like about Joss Wheadon’s works, is that there always are consequences in his stories, Avengers are free of consequences because they are practically unkillable. Yes, agent Redshirt died – who he was, and why I should care about him? And there was a little tension concerning Tony’s Stark’s in the finale but other than that… By the way Tony is the only character who have something resembling character arc, rest of them are unchangeable, and that make them even more boring. Big bad was rather pathetic than minacious. Loki was pathetic. He is only puppet used by aliens. Oh, yes alien invasion… oryginal.
Maybe it wasn’t bad but it wasn’t good either – mediocre at best. Frankly I’m little disappointed
did you see the other movies that “red shirt” was in all but two of the movies dislike the movie all you want but at least get your facts straight.
Coluson. Just like I said before: he was not in “Hulk” and in “Cap America” movies. But OK, let’s
say that he was such important character, what can you tell about
him? What were his character traits, what he was like, what was his word
view, what was his role in other movies? Can you tell me? Or he was
just some guy from background?
Coulson was the atypical agent. I hated seeing him die because he added that professional feel to the SHIELD aspects. So there you go: He was a professional SHIELD agent. He had that pleasent look about him which made me like him. And in Avengers we saw that he was a closet geek in his Cap fandom, and that when shit hit the fan, he’d grab the guns. Does he need a full movie for us to feel bad that he’s gone?
All in all the plot needed to be simple and epic, simply because they needed to use the time to establish the characters and their relationships. It is a fair trade. You cant really expect a 2001 Space Odessy plot in a story with this many characters. Look at the sequel for a more complex plot.
Plot. Well you can do more interestingthing things with comicbook movie plot than just: good guys fight among themselves, then they fight bad guy and his army… the end. “Watchem”, “V for vendetta”, “The Dark Knight” even some of “X-men” movies did this better. Even “Thor” had deeper, more interesting plot than this – story about “god” learning humility, about relationship between father and sons… Here is just superheroes vs. aliens. And yes, Avengers are basically unkillable – remember when dr Banner told his story how he want to commit suicide but other guy spit out the bullet? So he can’t die, no metter what. This same goes for Thor – he was dropped from the sky and was fine afterwards, Iron man was caught in gigantic turbine and was fine, Cap America got shot and was OK… Yes, they are practically unkillable. Coluson. He was not in “Hulk” and in “Cap America” movies. But OK, let’s say that he was such important character, what can you tell about him? What were his character traits, what he was like, what was his word view, what was his role in other movies? Can you tell me? Or he was just some guy from background?
Which good sci fi original movies have you seen? Not a rhetorical question, just more curious than anything. Also, fortes fortuna adiuvat!!!! Good man, Spoony.
The beginning, and the video’s still, really had me fooled. Felt like typical Spoony, so it was quite convincing.
Please do cosplay as Loki, that would be awesome.
There may never be a Justice League movie but they did kinda turn that into a game with DC Universe.
Black Widow is so badass is because its written by Joss Whedon… he’d explode if he didn’t put in a super ninja chick.
On the Black Widow v. Captain America bit: Remember that one short scene when Widow was obviously winded while Cap looked completely fresh? I do solely because at that moment I thought “Super soldier serum at work.”
I am so glad you hated Cabin In The Woods as much as I did. Also as many other have stated, please do a Loki cosplay!
Shame you don’t like any of the Captain America films.
Oh Spoony, you son of a.. That opening.
You got me. You so got me. I am gotten.
But pretty much agree you on most of the things, it was nice to see that the movie actually lived up to the hype it had builded up.
Battleship is just as bad as it looks, if not worse. Just thought I’d warn you.
Actually I couldn’t really tell if the bad guy at the end was Thanos or Super Skrull, either would kinda make sense, although Thanos is more of a galactic bay guy that the Fantastic Four fought more than the Avengers, although they did fight him. I would think they would have introduced Hank Pym and Ultron or something like that before they tackle a huge galactic bad guy. Since the Ch’tauri (dunno about the spelling.) are the Ultimate universe Skrulls I could understand Super Skrull. I like how they are kind of going the Ultimate route with the regular universe origins more or less, it’s kind of a mix of the two universes.
Sam Jackson as Nick Fury was directly from Ulitmates which was awesome. Thor was classic universe Thor with exception of not needing his “host?” Donald Blake. Cap was a mix of the two universes although in the Cap movie he used guns which is ultimates cap. Black Widow was more classic universe. Hawkeye is a mix of the two which is unfortunate since Ultimates Clint Barton is WAY better. Hulk is Ultimates Hulk which rocks. Iron Man, is a mix of the two. So we’ll see if they add in Scarlett Witch and Quicksilver and Hank Pym, would be easier to implement than any of the regular universe members like Spider Woman, or Miss Marvel, Sentry, Luke Cage, Goliath (Though Hank Pym in Ultimates is both Giant Man and Ant Man, I can’t remember if he was both in regular universe.).
It’s too bad they didn’t go route of Ultimates 2 where they all have to take down Thor cause they think he’s a loonie that belives that he’s a god. And Loki actually twists everyone else’s reality into thinking that. It’s brilliant writing, I highly recommend you pick up the trades for Ultimates 1 and 2 (forget 3 it’s pure utter crap); and so far the Ultimates regular series now is hugely epic.
Anyway sorry bout the length, just some thoughts.
Thanos. It was Thanos
Funny how you didn’t mention what was, in my opinion, the best part of the movie: the humor. Yes, maybe the story wasn’t too deep, and like Spoony said it didn’t have to be, but because the movie was so fucking hilarious, I couldn’t care less. It was typical Iron Man humor, which I liked very much. My favourite scene in the movie: Hulk and Thor are kicking the alien’s ass, then for a second when all their enemies are down, both take an epic pose, before Hulk punches Thor in the face just like that. It was so funny!
I actually really like Captain America and thought that the Captain America movie was the best, apart from Iron man. I like him because of the message he portrays: the most important aspect about a hero is not his supernatural strength or his advanced technological gears, what matters most is bravery and courage. Steve Rogers before his experiment was a nobody who wasn’t even mediocre, but weak. And even in that state he stood out because of his bravery. I also like him, because I think his fighting style is cool. His shield shows that he’s not an attacker, but a defender, and if there were real superheroes, I would want them to protect me before anything else. Just my opinion ^^
Those guys who run the world? They’re not really in poorly lit rooms, they’re the Patriot AIs, the La-Li-Lu-Le-Lo!
Nothing spoiled if you’ve seen the trailers:
I really enjoyed this film, and I felt that since this is the kind of
movie that has so many main stars, it practically lives or dies on
character interaction. It had the potential to be very confusing and
hammy, and it required so much back-story just to stand up, I felt it was
doomed to fail. Considering that, it was really good. The ham was nearly unnoticeable because the dialogue didn’t take itself too seriously.
The character interaction was masterful, and there are a few moments
that stand out that really work with contrasting character qualities.
There was Captain America, who managed to skip the Nixon era of disillusionment with the government, having to deal with Tony Stark, who is the most anti-authority member of the group. Black Widow, unarguably the most level-headed character, having to take care of Bruce Banner, who is practically a walking nuke. It was awesome.
they needed fury bots
Actually, you’re wrong about the Intellectual properties being owned by different people. Now, that’s certainly true of Marvel, as they sold many of their properties to different companies (Spiderman to Sony, Fantasy Four, X-men and Daredevil to Fox, and so forth), but DC is owned by Warner Brothers, who control the movie rights to all of their characters.
To be fair, the “Cap is out of touch because he doesn’t get MySpace” comic was actually a deliberate reminder that Cap’s seemingly out of date perspective is something we still need, despite the tendency towards cynicism everyone seems to default to these days. It was a set up so that everyone would be conscious of Cap’s perspective when he died, so that the descent into horrible badness that followed and the gradual improvement that came after he was resurrected would be tied to Cap’s “Mom and apple pie” view of America.
Basically it was the opening line of a sub-textual rant on the importance of idealism in American culture and the dangers of choosing security over freedom in the wake of the Civil War story line.
this review is like 2.5 min of material stretched and repeated to 38 painful minutes.
you didn’t like transformers and you liked avengers cuz it’s not insulting and you liked it.
But mostly, dear dear brother, you say ‘shadowy group of people in dimly lit room” literally 30+ times in under 3 minutes. Had to turn it off.
Was this a drinking game with yourself? Are you held hostage and this is a code phrase that will help us find you? What is it? Why is that all you can say?
Actually, Spoony, it IS set in the “Alien” universe, as one of the main characters will be a descendant of Ellen Ripley, if my source is correct. It still looks great, and I’m gonna see it.
To be fair on the Justice League comment, that’s partially true here as well. Both Spider-Man and Wolverine were also supposed to be Avengers, but Sony and Fox own the rights to those movie franchises currently. Marvel lucked out in that they didn’t give away *too* many of their characters before opening their own movie studio (as far as I remember, just Spider-Man, X-Men, Daredevil, and Fantastic Four)
Edit: Also probably Punisher and Ghost Rider, forgot about them :P
Now I didnt expect that….Loki reviewing the Avengers film…and positively.
HAH! You got me there. I’ve always highly respected your reviews and you had me concerned at the start
Also i should said this but I was so surprised by the joke. Galactic changes many times through the marvel multiverse. In the ultimate universe he was Guh Lak Tus and just consisted of a bunch of purplish space ships. However there is supposed to be a silver surfer movie in the future and the creators said they didn’t want to exactly ruin the new Galactus in it. It is possible the swirling mass we saw was his ship in the new movies. I don’t want to sound like I’m giving it excuses there is plenty dumb with it and I was excited to see Galactus to, but the possibility is still there. Also with what they show at the VERY end, highly suggests the possibility of such large scale universe power houses in the future ^^
Loki definately did the look weak when strong bit in this movie. There was no way he was going to just keep Earth and hand over the tesseract. He would have most likely kept it for himself and betrayed his allies. It would give him the power he needed to retake asgard.
I got a bit worried in the beginning of the review but then I became relieved at the fact it was a joke, I swear you got me pretty good on that one. On the avengers movie, I love that movie so much. Loved everything about it, the characters, the action, the story, the dialouge just pretty much everything
Especially robert downey jr as Iron man! He is THE iron man! He stole the movie from beginning to end! RDJ FTW!
Just a small gripe near the start (Otherwise, great vlog, as always) but Oo-rah is marines, not navy. I’m Army aviation (Not the toughest motherfuckers, but we still get shit done) and this site’s what I use to cheer me up after a shit day. Thanks a ton Spoony.
The gloves have tasers on them. You can see it in one scene in the fight for New York, she tazes the hell out of a bad guy on the hood of a car.
I disagree on Hawkeye and Black Widow. Look at their kill counts and what they faced. Iron Man could not kill the giant worm thing, but still fought it ( luring it) they never even came close to that level of unit.
Seriously awesome film and you really need to cosplay Loki, dude’s a badass.
I actually think the Avengers was super mediocre, and I loved Cabin in the Woods as much as Drag Me to Hell