Vlog 7-25-12 – The Dark Knight Rises

The Spoony One | Jul 26 2012 | more notation(s) | 

Spoony returns from Ireland and finally goes to see The Dark Knight Rises, despite jetlag that would slay a lesser man. Can the Caped Crusader reclaim his former glory in the final installment of Nolan’s series?

  • http://www.facebook.com/stauken.hausen Stauken Hausen

    Your brother gets insane bonus points for wearing the proper ‘team edward’ shirt. Fuck twilight, Battlestar Galactica rules, twinkle vampires drool.

  • gman422.irish

    spoony went to Ireland?

  • gman422.irish

    27:39 spoony the human dub-step!

  • itbegins2005

    I love that Arkham inmate T-shirt! And poor Oreo, he doesn’t get any attention…

    I’m glad to hear that Spoony liked the movie! Brad and Doug were kind of bringing me down– I loved this film, and I felt it was a perfect finale for the Nolan Batman trilogy.

    (At least, I THINK Spoony liked it… I’m ten minutes in, and he hasn’t really given a general opinion of the film. But from what I’m hearing, he dug it.)

  • goodguya

    I was thinking over the whole Harvey Dent thing and I think the most concrete reason they used him as a martyr was because Dent could not have been killed by the Joker. At that point he had been strung up, so Batman had to take the fall for that and they decided it would be best to use him as a symbol that Gotham didn’t have before that.

    But all in all, this movie was excellent. A few stretching of beliefs at times, not as well executed as TDK, but still a really damn good film. Nolan knows how to make something very deep and whilst this was a bit convoluted it’s impossible to deny the pure appeal of his thriller action.

  • http://twitter.com/LikChan Lik Chan

    WOOHOO, FINALLY!

  • PeaTearGryfin

    I love the Vlog, but I have to vehemently disagree with you on Batman Returns. That is probably my favorite of the non-Nolanverse Batman movies. As for where did the clowns and the rocket penguins come from, wizard did it. I will say that of all the things I love about that movie, the Penguin is to me the weakest part of the movie. I was actually watching the Dark Knight Rises thinking that Bane’s voice reminded me of something and then Miles said Sean Connery and it dawned on me that that was the voice I kept hearing with him.

    • http://twitter.com/McphuckCocker PMS-Gaming2020

      FUCK OFF YOU INEPT TWAT NO FUCKING CARES ABOUT YOU!

  • nrrork

    19:48

    THANK YOU! Holy fucking Christ, THANK YOU! I have been insisting on that for FOUR goddamn years and every time I mention it, everyone just looks at me like I just said I was from Mars or some shit. Like, they’re discreetly pocket dialing 911 to have some men in lab coats come haul me away for saying such a thing.

  • itbegins2005

    !!!SPOILERS!!!

    I beg to differ with Spoony about the idea of Nolan spin-off films featuring John Blake. I don’t think it’s going to happen. Sure, the Dark Knight films made money, but think about it: SO DID THE RAIMI SPIDER-MAN FILMS. Hell, Spider-Man 3 was the highest-grossing film (internationally) in the franchise! By all rights, they should have kept Sam Raimi aboard to make Part 4… but when they saw what he was doing with the franchise (Peter cheats on MJ, MJ leaves him, the “Vultress” is a thing for some reason), they ditched him in favor of the safe bet: a full-on reboot.

    Warners is going to do the same thing here. They could try to push through a John Blake Batman movie, sure, but think about all the missing pieces: no Bruce Wayne. No Alfred. No Lucius Fox. Probably no Chris Nolan, either (though David Goyer and/or Jonathan Nolan might write the script). And a whole new character under the cowl who has no real fan base or familiarity with audiences. That sounds like a HUGE gamble to me– a gamble Warner Bros. can avoid altogether if they just do a new movie featuring an all-new Bruce Wayne.

  • http://twitter.com/mprshane random-shane

    surprisingly level headed vlog, good to see spoony a bit more laid back and less…um, crazy silly pants

  • James-Per Gleason

    Spoilers!!!

    I find the biggest problem I had with the movie was the Talia al Ghul character involved in the twist ending. I found her very unnecessary to the plot and pretty much made all of bane’s accomplishments null because he wasnt the one actually with the plan, he was just a puppet, a face for the gothom revolution. That moment kinda ruined the movie for me and the fact that Spoony didnt even mention her only makes it seem more like a cheap forgettable plot twist.

    • A Green

      I’m gonna argue this. There’s actually nothing to suggest that Bane didn’t come up with the majority of this plan FOR Talia as far as I saw. Yes he’s doing it for her, but that doesn’t make him not the driving factor of it all. He’s portrayed as an obvious master strategist, and it’s entirely possible that he came up with everything for Talia. He really could have been both the muscle and brains behind Talia, doing it all because of his love and devotion for and to her.

      • James-Per Gleason

        Perhaps, but they could have enforced that better, and she still came off as underdeveloped. (I mean where did that romance come from? I didnt feel anything from her betrayal) Still I guess its such a forgettable point that it is a little nitpicky, it just came right at the end and then having bane just get shot after all that build up just left a sour taste in my mouth.

    • http://twitter.com/anceldelambert Aaron Kerr

      I agree completely. Talia ruined this film and Bane as a legitimate villain. I thought he was supposed to be super smart, but instead he’s the same muscle lackey he was in Batman and Robin and all his plans came down to the ridiculous “I’m going to make Wayne sweat because a little girl told me to.” A great message about ideology in the hands of a madman devolves into worthless junk about revenge.

      • Norrikan

        Very true. Apart from minor nitpicks I loved the movie to the point of Talia’s reveal, at which point my enthusiasm more or less died. In one fell swoop this redeuced Bane’s appeal from ‘dark mirror of the bat’ to ‘loyal puppy in love with a stupid bint’, exposed Talia’s flimsy motivation and, to me at least, seemed like it was done only so someone could shout: “What a tweest!”
        Killing of the main villain (to that point, at least) almost offscreen by shooting him in the back with a pair of anti-tank guns was also so anticlimactic it hurt.
        I was entirely okay with this movie being about Wayne instead of the bat, but the moment the reveal was pulled I got steadily more angry at the movie.

  • A Green

    In fairness, blaming the Joker probably wouldn’t have worked given he had his men and hostages for what felt like a day if not longer. People who could have quite possibly given a detailed account of all the things Joker was doing, and where Joker was, at any given time when those people were killed. In Particular Harvey Dent himself, because they’d be able to place the time of his death to Joker being already in custody. I understand that it seems a bit hokey, but in a situation like this you wouldn’t want Gordon suddenly getting questioned about a bunch of lies and eventually having this figurehead icon that is Harvey Dent exposed through investigation.

    It’s nice to see someone actually being pretty level headed about this movie. The other reviews online so far (haven’t watched the JO one by the way) seem to be pretty hyperbolic and nitpicky. The movie has it’s flaws, like they all do, but it’s a damn good time at the theater.

  • http://twitter.com/mlsterben Ben Littlejohn

    I did watch Batman Returns again and it’s goofier than Goof Troop.

    • Kendotuxedo

      but entertaining at least, right?

      • http://twitter.com/mlsterben Ben Littlejohn

        Hell yeah it was! Danny DeVito as the Penguin was great and I love anything with Christopher Walken. I like the movie overall, but it’s definitely one of the sillier ones, and it isn’t nearly as good as I remembered. (The first time I watched it I was in elementary school and had a fever, so my memory may be a little skewed.)

        • Kendotuxedo

          I know what you mean. When I re-watched it, I had a few new questions as an adult, but I remembered that it’s just a superhero movie. Hero versus Villain, and nothing more. It was aimed for kids through adults (PG13), so both audiences were catered to. I remember the toys based off the movies were very successful.

          Me – How did Penguin get blue prints to the Bat Mobile?
          Christopher Walken: “This guy… is un-fuckin-believable.”

    • http://sbkmulletman.deviantart.com/ sbkMulletMan

      Ha, the exact same thing came to my mind when I was writing my post on how Goofy Batman Returns was.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Matthew-Wenke/1156556418 Matthew Wenke

    thank you Spoony.it seems like no one else got the character driven story!And I too never heard Sean Connery,always heard Ian McKellen…and really,a Batman in every era? that was a bad idea when Image did that with Shadowhawk,DC comics suck!But thank you for restoring my faith in movie goers.

  • http://www.facebook.com/antti.t.h Antti Hämäläinen

    Big Trouble in Little China really IS the best movie ever made!

    • http://sbkmulletman.deviantart.com/ sbkMulletMan

      “Indeed!”

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Joseph-Johnston/1829664647 Joseph Johnston

      It really shook the pillars of Heaven didn’t it?

  • Shaka Zulu

    10 minutes in and I can’t recall a thing you have said – Please for the love of god lock oreo in a room or outside while you film PLEASE, its not cruel its only for an hour jesus its like trying to watch a film with someone holding a squeak toy by my ear.

    That said – rest of the review was great, hope you enjoyed Ireland, but please bro no more oreo when you are talking.

    • Zimmad

      Its like eating and drinking while doing a Vlog. If he sips his coke it adds to the “familarity” and is a nice touch. But no one wants him to have constantly speaking with full mouth.

      Same goes for the dog. Its cute and funny when it appears once in a while. But the constant SQUEAKSQUEAKSQUEAKSQUEAK is very distracting.

      • jade_Knight

        You guys have severe ADHD or what?

        • http://twitter.com/Okanehira Okanehira

          Its ADHD to want *SQUEAK* to
          *SQUEAK* be
          *SQUEAK* able
          *SQUEAK* to
          *SQUEAK* listen
          *SQUEAK* to
          *SQUEAK* spoony
          *SQUEAK* speak?
          *SQUEAK*
          *SQUEAK*
          *SQUEAK*
          *SQUEAK*
          *SQUEAK*
          *SQUEAK*

          I don’t think so.

      • http://twitter.com/Okanehira Okanehira

        This.

    • http://deltaassault.blogspot.com Delta_Assault

      Yes, the damn dog is horrible.

      And this isn’t the first video it’s almost ruined.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jake-Roberts/100002819871275 Jake Roberts

        ALMOST?

      • Atmos_Duality

        Ruined?
        The dog gets 2 minutes out of…like an HOUR.
        And it’s RUINED because of that?

        What the fuck kind of sense does that make?

    • http://twitter.com/Yuoaman Nick Burns

      Who the fuck cares if his dog is in the room? She’s just doing her own thing, get over it.

      • http://www.facebook.com/JLBehrend Jeremy Behrend

        agreed.

      • theshamster

        becides, I loved watching her play around behind Spoony when he was talking about “breaking down” uh, i mean ” breaking dawn” and getting really, really drunk.

      • Erebus_Locke

        Well apparently enough care if you look at the upvotes ;)

      • http://twitter.com/Okanehira Okanehira

        A lot of people care, you are in the minority get over it.

        • Jesper Bengtson

          In a minority? How do you know this. Someone on the interwebs told you? Personally, I don’t mind the dog at all. There are more important things in life to get worked up about than dogs in vlogs.

          • illidan4ever

            Some people just need anger management. Besides, it lasted all of 3 minutes…if it were through the whole hour or so that would be different, but despite how you jackasses may like to view Spoony as a reflection of your jackass selves, he put an end to it.

        • Dylan Ramackers

          It’s a dog! Get over it!

    • http://www.youtube.com/thefaustianman Faust

      I already said it: Spoony fans hate anyone that is not Spoony. They even extend that courtesy to the dog. I mean Oreo not Scarlett. Oh! Sick Burn! :

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1442290943 Derek Thomas

        Oh SNAP! XD That was awesome. Virtual high five.

      • Dylan Ramackers

        Yeah! His fans killed Filmbrain!

    • http://www.facebook.com/Tanakh0101 Brian Daege

      It’s his dog. He can do whatever he wants with Oreo. If you don’t like his videos with Oreo in them, don’t watch said videos.

      • http://twitter.com/raven772 Jeff Therrien

        I don’t but I like watching spoony videos so it sucks when the dog ruins it. Oh well at least his reviews don’t have the dog in them.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Phillip-Jonathan-Brown/609074211 Phillip Jonathan Brown

    I actually didn’t think about this film like your brother did, Spoony, but looking back on it I think it makes the movie better than I thought at first. I thought it was okay, but nothing amazing, Looking back on it now I can appreciate the movie for what it is and not what it isn’t.
    Also, the reference with the cops name made me groan.
    As for future movies? I was actually thinking they COULD go the Batman Beyond route if they wanna do some sort of sequel, which could work since they’d need an older actor to play Bruce.

  • http://twitter.com/ReidAllen77 Reid

    The movie wasn’t too disappointing to me in the “there’s no Batman in this Batman movie” sense because I kind of figured that was going to be the point. Hell, I was surprised that Batman showed up as early as he did in the movie. I figured the movie was going to be pretty much two hours or so of Bane wrecking shit in Gotham and Bruce fighting internally with himself as to if he should return to fight him or not. And then he finally returns in the climax and we get the big fuckoff battle.

  • somerussianguy

    I really liked TDKR, but seriously that thing was riddled with plotholes that I hoped you’d comment on. I also like Batman Returns, still don’t know wich plot had more holes.

  • Valorin

    I thought Bane sounded like Sean Connery doing an impression… of Sean Connery.

  • Kendotuxedo

    I thought the movie was alright, but I encountered a lot of trouble getting immersed into it.
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    I’m glad they put closure on Bruce Wayne’s role as the Batman, but I felt like this movie was just recycling Inception down to its ending, cast and overall theme. I dunno, that’s how it felt, not a bad thing, but distracting for me because I’m thinking too much about it as a movie and not as a story. I know it’s Nolan’s style, but this felt a bit too similar to his previous work. Also, I think the movie’s continuity was hindered due to Ledger’s death.
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    I had a hunch that Joker was meant to be the Judge, not Crane. Kinda like that episode from Batman: the Animated Series called “Trial”.
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    PS. Big Trouble in Little China is a Great answer. One of my all time favorites. Those of you who’ve never seen it, go watch it, and you’ll literally see where Mortal Kombat came from.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/EP7LS5ON6BX3NIKG5XGNWY57W4 Dallas

    They couldn’t blame Joker because Joker was hung up at the tower and had a pretty good alibi and Batman just got done assaulting a dozen SWAT officers.

    • http://twitter.com/mprshane random-shane

      I’m pretty sure most people would have been like – sure, blame that shithead

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/EP7LS5ON6BX3NIKG5XGNWY57W4 Dallas

        ….and the case would’ve been thrown out of court.

        • http://twitter.com/mprshane random-shane

          I don’t think super villains go to court, they just seem to go to Arkham, or black gate, or the vault, or any comic book jail :P

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/EP7LS5ON6BX3NIKG5XGNWY57W4 Dallas

    Steven Spielberg on Indiana Jones 4 “I’m Done!”

  • Carteeg_Struve

    I’ll admit that Batman Returns has serious serious SERIOUS problems. If they had yanked everything involving the Penguin out, it would had been a great film….. dammit. But at least I can still enjoy parts of it. Either way, I can understand people liking or hating it.

    As for TDKR… I started getting very bored during the second half. It had great performances, but the storyline was poorly constructed.

    • http://www.facebook.com/JLBehrend Jeremy Behrend

      agreed. if it were made to solely concentrate on catwoman…WOW! that (for as good as it is) would have been better tenfold

  • insaneclown113

    Where did Bane get an army of Thugs? who Gives a shit. it wasnt about the individual elements it was about the style and flow of the movie..
    I think you really missed the point

    • http://twitter.com/mprshane random-shane

      people question the movie, chill out
      It’s fun to call out shit like that, it doesn’t mean anything
      you don’t need to take this shit personally, or at least you seem to take it that way

  • Willam Edmonds

    I found this movie to be weak on a number of areas.

    The first is that is a visual poor bad movie. Made for TV movies have better
    shoot and edited scenes. I know many make fun of Michael Bay
    but after watching Transformer Dark Side of the Moon again, the transformer
    movie had much better dynamic scenes. I like action scenes where a person put
    thought and effort into making. The Dark Knight Rises was as low brow and
    thoughtless with those scenes. The “climax” of this movie was boring and did nothing.

    The second is the plan of the evil one. There was just some many actions they
    assumed would just happen that is made this movie more unbelievable than Batman
    and Robin. In most heist movies something does not go as planned and the protagonist
    need to adapt. Well In the Dark Knight Rises the plan of the evil one work out
    perfectly despite the odd of it happen like that is so low.

  • http://sbkmulletman.deviantart.com/ sbkMulletMan

    Yeah, I can’t argue with Spoony, or anyone, about Batman Returns being stupid. I liked the movie (liked, not loved), but only because it was so goofy. The movie is too goofy to be explained, war penguins and all. Even the Joker’s 4-foot revolver made more sense than the War Penguins…and like the 4-foot revolver, it was silly stuff like that which made the movie fun. Not good, just fun (in the case of “Returns”. The first Burton Batman was genuinely good, as long as you don’t mind Batman having the mentality of ED-209)

    And there’s nothing wrong with having Big Trouble in Little China as your favorite movie. My favorite movie of all time is Army of Darkness, and I have TRIED to find a new favorite to take its place, and the closest I’ve come is Bubba Ho-Tep. That’s when I realized how “favorites” work: you love what you love, and there is no changing that. I just happen to love goofy Bruce Campbell movies, and goofy movies in general. That’s why I enjoyed the sillier batman moments, heh.

    Maybe that’s why I don’t care much for the Nolan Batman films (I know, crucify me). Nothing really “grabs” me, not even The Joker. Although making fun of all the voices of the characters does seem to be the funnest part.

    Speaking of which, I congratulate Miles for being the ONLY time I enjoy hearing the word “WHAT?” after every sentence somebody says. Normally that sends me in a violent rage (damn you, Stone Cold), but it works here, hee-hee!

  • http://twitter.com/McphuckCocker PMS-Gaming2020

    FUCKING BRING QUEERBAIT COME ON PENISTEARINGGRYFIN!

    • PeaTearGryfin

      umm. Dude. What is your problem?

  • http://twitter.com/Mandrew3Grand Andrew Henderson

    RE: the spider-man character arc, here’s what I don’t get: why do they need ways to attract new readers to Spider-man? Spider-man was the one superhero I never needed a reason to be attracted to, as a new reader. And you can do what they did with their “40 years of Amazing Spider-man” DVD, that I bought RIGHT BEFORE OMD! Just make a 50th anniversary collection, where it includes not only Amazing Spider-man, but the other Spider-man comics, so you can have all of the spider-man, maybe in volumes, but new readers will be able to pick these up, get the continuity and character growth, and then continue that growth.

    Also, *SPOILER*I could see Joseph Gordon-Levitt not being Batman, but being a spin-off as Nightwing, set in Blüdhaven, with Oracle as a supporting character, and a villain like either Blockbuster, or maybe even Deathstroke.

  • starsickle

    Spoony – your forgetting that the objective of the League of Shadows require Gotham to destroy itself. Bane couldn’t have just dropped a nuke on the city and be done with it. Gotham had to destroy itself through human disaster. It’s important – this was a key thing in the first film, and the joker also discusses it in the second, and it comes full circle in the third when everyone turned on each other and “The People” supplanted “The Police” with horrifying results.

    How come no one thinks when it comes to this movie?

    • http://www.facebook.com/jonathan.albee Jonathan Albee

      except the city doesnt destroy itself. bane releases criminals and destroys the city and has a nuke set to go off after a period of time.

    • Jesper Bengtson

      Because this argument makes no sense. The city doesn’t destroy itself, even with all the inmates released it requires a nuclear bomb to do the job. His motivations make absolutely no sense, and this is the most important thing for any villain. If we can somehow understand his motivations, then it’s fantastic, even though we hopefully do not agree.

      If Bane hadn’t always intended to blow the bomb, then this would all make so much more sense. He could have used it as a threat in case someone came to take over, invoke anarchy and literally have the city tear itself apart. That would have been interesting. Unfortunately, Hollywood requires these boring timers that the heroes must fight against….. and where seconds slow to a crawl towards the end to fit more action in. It’s a convenient plot device, but makes for an uninteresting story.

      • http://twitter.com/dmh3000 David Herbert

        Okay, remember in the first movie Ra’s wanted to destroy Gotham because he thought it was irredeemable. But now, thanks to the Harvey Dent act, it’s peaceful. In order to avenge Al Ghul’s death completely, Bane had to prove him right by making Gotham a shit hole with the help of the inmates put away. Bane needed those five months to let the people of Gotham destroy themselves so that the League of Shadows could continue their delusions of helping people through terrorism.

        I’ve actually noticed something with most complaints about the movie, if you rewatch Batman Begins before, DKR makes a lot more sense because it’s building on that story.

        • J.G. te Molder

          Except that they didn’t. Apart from the inmates and Bane’s/Talia’s fanatics all of Gotham’s citizenry kept themselves locked indoors. Oh, truly, there are times when people CLAIM Gotham is tearing itself apart, but it’s never actually shown; the only violence shows after such a claim comes from the released inmates and Bane’s men.

          It’s the major failing of the film, actually.

          • Ian Epping

            Probably should point out that a lot of Bane’s men were from Gotham already
            The ones that couldnt get a job etc
            Plus most of the five months were just there to torture Bruce with

        • Jesper Bengtson

          But this makes no sense. Bane requires no excuse to vapourise the city if that’s what he wants to do, even when he’s following RA’s work. Bringing the League of Shadows back into this was a boring story decision, but it could make sense if they just nuked the place — even with the Dent Act in place they would be convinced that the city is corrupted.

          If not… releasing thousands of inmates in the streets and lock the police in the subways is just very poor excuse to motivate the inevitable outcome. I’m not sure who they justify their actions to. Maybe there is a LoS council somewhere that sanctions which cities can be nuked, but I doubt it. It’s not like Bane needed to release the inmates to determine if Gotham was to be destroyed or not. He seemed pretty set on that from the start.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ian-Haas/100000971156636 Ian Haas

      That’s a shitty argument because how was Gotham destroying itself when Raz released the crazy gas into the air? He got them high, that didn’t prove a point at all.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Henry-Walsh/100001272892039 Henry Walsh

    Personally Spoony…

    I hated this film. I mean, pure, comic nerd level hatred.

    Now it isn’t because it wasn’t a 120 minute slug fest… It was because none of the characters seemed right.

    Batman wouldn’t give up the cowl, he’d have to be dead before he would give up the cowl. Even if the only crimes in Gotham were muggings… He’s Batman. Bruce Wayne is a disguise.

    Catwoman. Catwoman has 2 shticks: She likes cat-themed things, and she carries a whip. This Catwoman did neither.

    Bane… Bane is an incredibly intelligent mercenary, who is not part of the League of Assassins (Shadows) and he uses venom, a super steroid. This Bane didn’t use venom… At all… That is a core part of the character.

    So we end up with a movie that has characters who kind of resemble characters from the IP that they are based on… The characterizations in this movie were just as bad as the bad characterizations in Batman and Robin for cripes sake.

    • http://www.facebook.com/cheshire.grinningcat Cheshire GrinningCat

      What did you expect? It’s a Nolan movie, he prefers a much more realistic approach, though that ends up being more confusing.

    • http://www.facebook.com/cheshire.grinningcat Cheshire GrinningCat

      What did you expect? It’s a Nolan movie, he prefers a much more realistic approach, though that ends up being more confusing.

    • http://deltaassault.blogspot.com Delta_Assault

      What’s up with the Joker? Why isn’t his face stained white? It’s just make up! What the hell? The acid bath staining his skin is a a core part of the character. This Joker sucks!

    • PeaTearGryfin

      I love this argument that this is the worst portrayal of Bane ever. Yes, they got his personality right and they included his almost super human intelligence, but they forgot the Venom. The fact that they forgot the Venom makes this the worst portrayal ever. Sure Batman and Robin had him as a hulking Frankenstein monster, but at least it had Venom.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/George-Rosenbaum/100001387887487 George Rosenbaum

      It’s good that you think of Catwoman as having “only two shticks”. You seem to have a lot of respect for a supposedly 2 dimensional character.

      Now I think that her femme-fatal personality, agile fighting style, and thievery-as-justice were also really important character traits, which showed up perfectly in the movie. But your right, the whips were TOTALLY more important than the rest of her character.

      And she DOES like cat themed objects. She’s dressed like a cat, isn’t she? Would you really only be satisfied if you saw her steal a cat statue from a museum or something? This movie’s already 3 hours long, dude.

  • http://twitter.com/MichaelCWells Michael Wells

    Of course he puts this up before I have to go to work… damn you spoony!
    (Is totally gonna want to watch this later)

  • http://twitter.com/MichaelCWells Michael Wells

    Of course he puts this up before I have to go to work… damn you spoony!
    (Is totally gonna want to watch this later)

  • https://twitter.com/AubreyHallman Hippiethecat124

    Thank god someone finally acknowledges the absence of any reference to the Joker at ALL in this movie. I agree that you didn’t have to recast the role or throw in an old clip from the DK, but at least throw the guy a bone! Heath Ledger did such a fucking amazing job that it’s a shame the character didn’t even get a nod in the finale.

    • level_control

      Any Joker reference would be a groaner. Would a couple lines of dialogue about him being dead really be satisfying to you?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Onnuri-Kwak/513138744 Onnuri Kwak

    This calls for Batman Returns review Spoony.

    • level_control

      I second that. And I would put Batman Forever above Batman Returns.

    • http://www.facebook.com/JLBehrend Jeremy Behrend

      agreed. I doubt he’d do it though.

    • Jailer_of_Justice

      Not only a review of Batman Returns but an analysis of all the Burton and Schumacher films. Maybe Spoony and Brad Jones could discuss them in the same fashion they did when they reviewed the Rocky movies.

  • http://www.facebook.com/ChusterMerino Chuster M. Merino

    It´s a good movie, but not as good as “The Dark Knight”. The “Dent Day/Law”? The magic leg of Bruce? The “Take Gotham” movement with Bane? No, just no.

  • http://www.facebook.com/ChusterMerino Chuster M. Merino

    It´s a good movie, but not as good as “The Dark Knight”. The “Dent Day/Law”? The magic leg of Bruce? The “Take Gotham” movement with Bane? No, just no.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Freddy-Duran/100000817426762 Freddy Duran

    under an hour? no mass spoilers? what kinda spoony Vlog is this?!

    • http://www.facebook.com/JLBehrend Jeremy Behrend

      its one where 90 percent of people had seen the movie before spoony and miles ahd seen it twice, so spoilers werent really part of the need for the review.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Freddy-Duran/100000817426762 Freddy Duran

    under an hour? no mass spoilers? what kinda spoony Vlog is this?!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/George-Rosenbaum/100001387887487 George Rosenbaum

    The very end, when Batman was flying the Batcopter to remove the bomb, is impossible unless his aircraft runs on ground-up faeries.

    When the timer on the bomb reaches 45 seconds, Batman is flying over Blake’s school bus. The bomb has an explosion radius of 6 miles. So Batman needs to fly 6 miles in 45 seconds to fully remove the bomb from Gotham’s border.

    This means that his Batcopter has a top airspeed of at least 560 miles per hour. There are experimental helicopters that exist today that can only go up to about 300 mph. So Nolan’s “realistic” take on the Dark Knight just crapped itself in the last 10 minutes.

    Now, you might call this nitpicking. This is Batman, who has an engineering degree and access to Wayne Enterprises. No one has the top speed of experimental helicopters memorized. But anyone who can do multiplication will be a LITTLE irked, especially since this problem could have been fixed by tweaking the numbers in the script.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/George-Rosenbaum/100001387887487 George Rosenbaum

    The very end, when Batman was flying the Batcopter to remove the bomb, is impossible unless his aircraft runs on ground-up faeries.

    When the timer on the bomb reaches 45 seconds, Batman is flying over Blake’s school bus. The bomb has an explosion radius of 6 miles. So Batman needs to fly 6 miles in 45 seconds to fully remove the bomb from Gotham’s border.

    This means that his Batcopter has a top airspeed of at least 560 miles per hour. There are experimental helicopters that exist today that can only go up to about 300 mph. So Nolan’s “realistic” take on the Dark Knight just crapped itself in the last 10 minutes.

    Now, you might call this nitpicking. This is Batman, who has an engineering degree and access to Wayne Enterprises. No one has the top speed of experimental helicopters memorized. But anyone who can do multiplication will be a LITTLE irked, especially since this problem could have been fixed by tweaking the numbers in the script.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Josh-McClary/504395847 Josh McClary

    I’ll agree – Batman Returns was a baaaaaad movie. Similarly, The Dark Knight Rises fails in my mind less for being bad like Returns (Rises is actually a decent structured movie), it fails because it’s just so *pretentious*. Dark Knight at least had some fun with the setting and the characters. Everyone is just playing the movie way too serious.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Josh-McClary/504395847 Josh McClary

    I’ll agree – Batman Returns was a baaaaaad movie. Similarly, The Dark Knight Rises fails in my mind less for being bad like Returns (Rises is actually a decent structured movie), it fails because it’s just so *pretentious*. Dark Knight at least had some fun with the setting and the characters. Everyone is just playing the movie way too serious.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=12454697 Just Roemer

    How were you able to get over all of the glaring plot holes? I mean you have to accept a lot of things by saying He’s Batman. If asked I’ll list all of them that bother me but top 5. Why does a punch to the back fix Him? Why does he use the helicopter to shoot only 1 tank out of 5 in the closing battle? Why doesn’t bane/women just blow up the bomb? Why does batman killing her father suddenly make her forgive her father? How does batman get back into gotham when he is stranded with no money/passport in less that 3 days? The motivation of the villains was ridiculously weak. Why did batman not tell lucius/catwomen/gordon that there was autopilot. He knew all three would eventually figure it out/he told them. Lucius-autopilot, Gordon-fixes bat signal, catwomen-dates her. A lot of things irked me in this movie. Why did you overlook so many?

    • level_control

      I wouldn’t call these plots holes as much as loose ends. And I enjoy when characters in films act illogically, make mistakes, and leave questions about their motivations.

      Presenting every plot detail tied up into a neat little bow makes the film feel processed. In real life, things can happen randomly and people especially do stupid things. I rather draw my own conclusions than be spoon-fed every little detail.

    • itbegins2005

      “Why does batman killing her father suddenly make her forgive her father?”

      People tend to forgive the dead their transgressions because, you know, they’re DEAD. And death tends to bring out long-dormant feelings in loved ones. Talia obviously loved her father– she just resented his treatment of Bane. But Batman’s complicity in Ra’s death gave her a target for her feelings of guilt (at abandoning her father) and rage (at her father’s untimely death). Hence, motive.

  • Skelemelon

    If you’re going to Canada, you should find out how to go see Tara Strong! She’s done voices for tons of games and cartoons like MLP:FiM, Fairly OddParents, Lollipop Chainsaw, and… FFX and X-2! *Shock!* *Gasp!* She’s the voice of Rikku. >:D

  • http://twitter.com/PenHellbourne Tim Edgren

    “in the Nolan verse things are more realistic” *takes a look and sees Nolan directing “Man of Steel” aka Superman set in the Nolan verse* …well….so much for that noise.

    • itbegins2005

      Man of Steel isn’t set in the same world as the Dark Knight films. And Chris Nolan isn’t directing it, either– Zack Snyder is.

    • lightice

      That movie is not set in the same universe, and is NOT directed by Chris Nolan. Do your research, man.

  • level_control

    I’d agree that reviews are mixed because a lot of people are going into this expecting something totally different (I’d argue the same with Prometheus)

    I’m sure opinions about it will go up over time, especially on a second viewing. I think these three films taken together will stand the test of time as a cinematic masterpiece. Hope they don’t make anymore.

  • Jesper Bengtson

    I enjoyed this movie. My biggest problem with it was the very unclear motive of the bad guy. His master plan just made no sense what so ever. He could just be bat shit crazy, but that’s not really interesting. I loved the pacing. I loved that it was slow, and I liked most of the Bruce Wayne stuff. Some could have been done better, but most was solid.

    One thing though Spoony. You said you liked the police scene in the end. I personally thought this was the most stupid scene in the entire movie. It reminded me of the Black Adder episode where the generals master plan to win a first world war trench battle was to walk slowly towards the strongest part of the german fortification. The downside of course being that everyone gets slaughtered in the first 20 seconds. This is what should have happened here. Hundreds of cops with small arms against a solid line of bad guys with assault rifles and tanks gives a very short battle. They should have all been summarily slaughtered. The fix is also so easy. Just have them do something remotely intelligent, and not just walk very slowly towards the enemy.

    Another stupid scene was the ‘helicopter outrunning missiles’. Lots of movies does this. It is always stupid and always boring. I also didn’t like that they hinted at Robin in the end. Robin and Batman have never been a good mix, unless you are going for the Adam West or George Clooney type of films.

    Most of the film was good though…. up until the mindless and boring action in the end. I also would have preferred if Catwoman didn’t return to save the day. That would have been less predictable and more in character. Still, great movie — the worst of the three, but still a great movie.

    Have fun in Canada :).

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/George-Rosenbaum/100001387887487 George Rosenbaum

      Maybe they replaced one of the missile silos with a jet engine…I’m STILL not over it.

  • http://www.facebook.com/wolfdude63 Ryan Craft

    You never mention several problems with this movie. First of all, Venom is never mentioned. A huge part of the character of Bane was the venom, yet they never even mention it in the movie. Secondly, you never mention that in 1 scene in like 30 seconds, it is explained that Bane isn’t even the main villain. It’s some chick that you completely forget about and suddenly she’s the main villain that’s basically controlled Bane from the start. And lastly, BATMAN FLIES A NUKE A FEW MILES OFF SHORES AND BLOWS IT UP. The nuclear fallout ALONE would destroy all of Gotham, not to mention the feel good ending the movie had where batman is actually alive. It’s like we saw different movies.

  • http://twitter.com/BBukeeB Andrew Bukovinszky

    Oh come on, Batman Returns is fun!

    … but yeah, it makes no goddamn sense (so they frame batman by making a Christmas tree shoot out bats?), but neither the first one actually…

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Nash-Knight/740228999 Nash Knight

      Batman Returns is the best of the whole series, Spoony should try watching it again with an open mind, it’s a Tim Burton fest at it’s best!

      • http://www.facebook.com/JLBehrend Jeremy Behrend

        Batman (1989) is better, Batman Returns is also good. its more light than dark, and has a comicbook feel. as for Tim Burton….well….

  • http://twitter.com/crocodilius ryan phillips

    it’s always been that simple for me, best movie: wizard of oz (1939).
    i couldn’t stand these new batman movies right from the word go. bad costumes, christian bale’s voice. heath ledger is awesome and is worth watching in the second one but they just bored the fuck outta me.
    i can still go back and watch michael keaton and be like “that’s batman”.
    of course the second best batman is kevin konroyd, but people never consider
    him simply because he’s a voice actor (got christian bale beat).
    watching the animated series and especially the 2 arkham video games,
    he and mark hamill are just the best batman+joker team ever and they
    just kick too much ass.

  • http://www.facebook.com/alexander.wood.963 Alexander Wood

    Bane: Huddah Huddah Huddah!

  • http://www.facebook.com/wagnerpaivafernandes Wagner Paiva Fernandes

    Amazing vlog! Loved every part, Mr Noah was even nice to Miles, wich is very cool to see.
    What Noah did in Ireland, a convention? Great to see him working. I want a SPOONY MOVIE man, write the script for it and fund it on Kickstarter, itwould be great!

    • zenithl

      >Mr Noah was even nice to Miles
      I was under the impression that both of them are REALLY tired. Spoony is obviously under jet lag, Miles probably just get off from work or something.

  • http://www.facebook.com/YourRedDog Christopher M. Clay

    I really like this review. With all the flaws and obvious heavy cutting to the movie I was fully expecting you not to like this, but knowing that you went into it with a little warning and foreknowledge it makes sense. I think this one WOULD benefit from a second viewing. I really like the film, but I think there was too much scene-cutting going on to the point where the first half of the movie feels like someone else has the remote control and is fast forwarding to get to the explosions. I still enjoyed the hell out of the movie, but I want to see just what was cut out of this movie, cause I’d almost swear Nolan made a 6 hour movie and cut it to 3.
    More than anything, though, I’m just glad there’s someone else out there that agrees with me that Big Trouble in Little China is the best movie EVER. :)

  • http://www.facebook.com/alexander.wood.963 Alexander Wood
  • http://www.facebook.com/people/George-Rosenbaum/100001387887487 George Rosenbaum

    “Where did the Penguin get an army of clowns”. Okay, where did Bane get HIS army? Gotham’s crime is down, so Bane has no one to recruit. Did Bane just take his army with him? Did he fly them in, and no one noticed? Do they live in his jacket or something?

    I’m not defending Batman Returns. I’m pointing out another flaw in the Nolan Batman Rises film.

    • itbegins2005

      Bane’s army is the remnants of the League of Shadows. For God’s sake, they’re supposed to be an international organization of terrorist vigilantes– you didn’t think they were ALL taken out in Batman Begins, did you?

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/George-Rosenbaum/100001387887487 George Rosenbaum

        That’s right, the Dent Act only cleaned up Gotham’s organized crime. He didn’t have to recruit anyone, he has Ra’s al Ghul’s deserters. Stupid oversight on my part.

        Even so, how did he transport all of his out-of-town League of Shadows cronies into Gotham with no one noticing, and then give a large portion of them jobs as construction workers so they could contaminate the city’s concrete with explosives? That’s a lot of legwork, and it only takes one mistake from one guy to make the construction company concerned enough to recall all of their contaminated concrete.

        • itbegins2005

          Fair enough, but I tend to think this reflects on a line from Batman Begins: “You are defending a city so corrupt that we have infiltrated every level of its infrastructure.”

          I think Ra’s already HAD these guys positioned in Gotham. After all, the five or six guys Batman beat up at the end of Begins couldn’t have been their WHOLE contingent of infiltrators. Maybe the guys who were left just reverted to being sleepers after Ra’s’ death, until their new leader could give them direction.

          And as for them making a mistake or something that gets the construction company nervous, the construction workers worked for Daggett– the guy who was in collusion with Bane. Having full access to the guy who owns the company, Bane was probably able to staff the entire outfit with League members or sympathizers.

  • http://www.facebook.com/lordbejita Rob Iturriaga

    Im right there with you on Big Trouble in Little China, buddy.

  • level_control

    Can we have a rate the Batman films thread? Best to worst:
    Dark Knight
    Batman
    Dark Knight Rises
    Batman Begins
    Mask of the Phantasm
    Batman Forever
    Batman Returns
    Batman and Robin

    • PeaTearGryfin

      Best to worst:
      Dark Knight
      Batman Returns
      Batman Begins
      Batman
      Dark Knight Rises
      Batman Forever
      Batman & Robin
      Haven’t seen Mask of the Phantasm so I can’t really say anything about that.

      • http://www.facebook.com/kaisslim.saidi Kais Slim Saidi

        My turn ! In the same order :

        Mask of Phantasm
        Batman
        Batman Returns
        Dark Knight
        Batman 1966 (West & Romero FTW baybay !)

        Then you have the meh ( Begins…) and the bad (Joel’s stuff )

        • c.conley90

          Batman begins (good setup of Batman origin)
          Batman (Nostalgia, one I remember more than Dark Knight)
          Batman: The Mask of Phantasm, other animated movies,(Subzero, Batman beyond: return of the joker) ( example of how good the animated series was, Subzero is what Batman & Robin should have been)
          Batman Returns (come on Spoony, yes its silly, but it doesn’t suck)
          The Dark Knight (Growling voice, way too much self-seriousness, overrated, too bloated. At 153 minutes, I thought some editing down would have helped.)
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          Batman Forever (Guilty Pleasure, so absurd and over the top, with Tommy Lee Jones and Jim Carrey eating up the scenery
          Batman & Robin (Terrible, but I have to admit that I like Arnold
          s performance despite the constant ice puns. The rest is just pretty bad, Clooney is bland as Batman and Chris O’Donnell annoys me as Robin, some it is so bad it’s good)
          Batman 1966 (Let’s just say I never liked Adam West’s Batman)

    • http://www.facebook.com/JLBehrend Jeremy Behrend

      we dont acknowledge Batman and Robin

    • Dragdar

      Mask of Phantasm is the ultimate love letter to Batman – how DARE YOU put it beneath shitty Nolan movies

      • level_control

        please go lick a cactus you fucking twat

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1117315524 Toaster Tom

    Best line in Batman Returns.
    “How could you hit me? I’m a woman!”
    “Oh I’m so sorry…”
    Catwoman kicks Batman in the nuts.

  • Soul5

    I wonder what the rent in Gotham City is? Place has had more terrorist bombings, kidnappings, shootouts, police ineffectiveness and corruption than any other city on earth.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cody-Meyer/100000062682757 Cody Meyer

    You know, for as little sense as Batman Returns makes (Yeah, Catwoman taking like 7 bullets without really dying makes no effing sense, for one thing, without a bullet proof vest), but I give it small kudos for ‘style’ if nothing else. Penguin isn’t all that insufferable, even if posing him as a mayoral figure is the least likely thing to occur… EVER.

    That aside, I haven’t watched Dark Knight Rises yet, but to that end, I don’t think you really spoiled the movie, and I still look forward to watching it, even after this commentary.

    Also, hope that your trips are at least refreshing and you can get back to your reviews. :) I certainly could use a vacation outside of this country for a change.

    • http://www.facebook.com/JLBehrend Jeremy Behrend

      cat = 9 lives. Selina dies by fall (one life) 6 bullets shot (2-7) and electro shock (8) still one life left.

    • silverwings

      Look up the 1986 FBI Miami shoot-out; Michael Platt took 12 shots to die, and while getting shot up he was also shooting back at the FBI. He had no armor or drugs in his system. His partner in crime, William Matix , took 6 to die.

      • Jailer_of_Justice

        Yeah but most of those bullets didn’t damage his vital organs enough to disable him. If you watch BR, Catwoman gets shot point-blank in the chest with a high-powered revolver. I don’t care how big you are that would kill/drop most people (the exit wounds alone would have been horrific).

        • silverwings

          Just got done watching that scene. It looks like the 1st shot was in the leg, 2nd shot in the shoulder, 3rd and 4th in the abs. Doesn’t look like she was shot in any of the vitals. Also the gun, according to imfdb, is a .38, the same weak caliber some of the FBI agents were using.

  • IHeart28

    This Vlog was great! Really enjoyed it, and for some reason it really hyped me up to see the movie anyway(Yes I didn’t get to see the movie yet I know it’s kinda lame to comment on a review before seeing it but hey *shrugs*). Oh BTW, Oreo is just too damn cute, I swear she wants to make me snuggle her X3

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Caio-Trubat/100002080389485 Caio Trubat

    I think the reason why the don’t blame on the Joker is because he would reveal what he did to Harvey but good job making this point nonetheless. Overall great review you thought about the movie better than Doug did.
    And welcome back from Ireland.

  • http://www.facebook.com/patrick.ohl Patrick Ohl

    I’m very impressed with this review! You guys really nailed the reasons I personally loved this film, and I enjoyed watching the video, which manages to be informative and entertaining as well. Some minor disagreements here or there, but hey, that’s life.

  • c.conley90

    Shame on you, Spoony, hating on Batman Returns, come on its way better than either of the Schumacher films. It doesn’t suck, it has good performances, yeah its goofy, but what do you expect its Tim Burton. And I mean when are your going to see a Batman movie, where one of the bad guys is Christopher Walken. He’s reason enough to see it.

    • Jailer_of_Justice

      If he doesn’t like it that’s his opinion. I don’t mind Batman Returns, I think it is goofy and strange (it’s Burton after all). It’s just the glaringly bizarre character arcs of the main characters, especially Catwoman and Penguin. Besides her look Catwoman is nothing like she is in the comics especially her origin. Penguin’s origin had more in common with Killer Croc’s then anything (given the story Killer Croc would have been better suited to be the villain). Had Burton been more faithful to the origins of the villains and stopped making Batman kill people, I think Batman Returns would have been one of the best Batman movies.

  • http://www.facebook.com/jonathan.albee Jonathan Albee

    i honestly hated this movie. Not because of a lack of batman but because it just made very little sense. SO much happens that’s just nonsense and considering nolans world is realistic it just didn’t sit right with me. Spoilers abound

    The cargo plane scene at the start defied logic….no one rappels out a cargo plan to a smaller plane and no plane could do what the higher altitude plane did. Pumping the corpses chest to get blood into it from the alive guy…..cause that would throw off the CIA. Why was wayne injured so bad? they said batman was missing since the day dent died and he seemed FINE running away at the end of the dark knight. a few horribly cheesy action scenes. Fix a broken back by just pushing it back in? legs and arms all messed up at the start and pushups/situps in jail fixes it? how did he get back to got ham and get back in with no money or help? shanked in the kidney and hes fine? bat plane made it 6 miles in around 15-20 seconds? nuke goes off in the harbor and no radiation or fallout? army of men with machine guns couldn’t hit the broad side of a barn when an army of cops with pistols charges them? The WHOLE police department went into the sewer???? NO ONE stayed out???what does banes mask do? its not connected to anything its just on his face and batman had to punch the hell outta it to knock the tube loose only to have talia just pop it back in. Gotham has like a day left before the bomb goes off…..batman has to make a giant gasoline bat on the bridge and later on climbs to the top of the bridge for some kind of obligatory fan shot. Theres tons of this drivel in this film, not only is it the worst of the nolan films but it’s really only better than the 2 awful batman movies : forever and batman & robin

  • zenithl

    But Christopher Walken is awesome in Batman Returns!

    Ok, I loved BR purely on the visual, music and atmosphere. I will openly admit the plot makes no sense, but I watch it as a very deranged Batman comic (like “Arkham Asylum: A Serious House on Serious Earth”). Also the final scene/line is so well delivered that I insist on rewatching it every Christmas.

    I can fully understand why you think BR sucks though. Many of my friends do, but I still consider it one of my favorite movie.

  • http://www.facebook.com/JLBehrend Jeremy Behrend

    in Batman Returns, there is a line that Com. Gordon states to Batman ” Looks like the circus gang is back.” to which Batman replies ” We’ll See.” This is supported by later in the story where Bruce is looking though old papers about the Red Triangle Circus being accused of stealing children. Thats where he gets the army of clowns. As for the rocket powered/packed penguins… Im with you. However, for as stupid as you might think it is, its better than Batman Forever’s butchering of Two-face and the lameness of Carey’s rip-off of the legendary Frank Gorshin. Batman Returns still has a continuity feel having all the cast that they have. including where Vicki Vale went. but for all its flaws, Batman Forever wasnt that bad, if not to poppy in feel. Batman and Robin, well….NC took care of that for us already. I guess thats how i can defend it. to a point.

    • Jailer_of_Justice

      I don’t mind watching Batman Returns, it’s just that I can’t stand how Catwoman and Penguin were portrayed. Yes Michelle Pfeiffer looked amazing in the costume but that was really it. She was nothing like her comic book counter part. Her origin didn’t make any sense at all (how falling off a ten story building and being molested by cats gives you cat powers and nine lives is beyond me). Burton’s Penguin was portrayed like he was a combination of Penguin and Killer Croc. In fact using Killer Croc might have worked a lot better with the freak show performer and living in the sewer arc that was used in the movie.

      • http://www.facebook.com/JLBehrend Jeremy Behrend

        you know, thats a fair thing to state. i think the real issue was becoming more than 1 villian. and personally i would rather have had catwoman with a mor ecloser to her 1940s the cat origin.

  • http://twitter.com/move Nick!

    hey spoony. I’m a big big fan of yours, i go on your homepage several times a day hoping to see you drop a new video. You probably hear that a lot, but i’m basically using that as an opener to POLITELY ask you to maybe do more solo vids? Your brother is cool, and he’s not as awkward as other guests can be (not related to your show), but I’m really in this for my main man spoony.

  • http://bluehighwind.blogspot.com/ BlueHighwind

    (I say all of this out of love, as a fan. I’m not actually mad at you, I just want to play. You challenged me, seems like somebody should answer with a friendly retort.)

    Oh, you’re hating on Batman Returns? YOU’RE HATING ON BATMAN RETURNS?? Oh no, you asked for it, Spoony! :P You’re on!

    Batman Returns isn’t just a good Batman movie, its my FAVORITE Batman movie! Well, I do desperately love Dark Knight Rises, I need to see a few more times to be sure, but I just saw Batman Returns a few weeks ago for my Batman Movie Batdown, and I wrote a glowing review about it for my blog: http://bluehighwind.blogspot.com/2012/06/batman-movie-batdown-week-3-batman.html Why is Batman Returns awesome? Read that.

    Okay, Spoony’s complaints: it makes on sense. Yeah, it doesn’t, I accept that. But do I care no? Do things have to make sense? I know Spoony is the kind of person who will immediately yell “YES! YES THEY DO!” But here’s the thing: Tim Burton’s Batman doesn’t really make sense to begin with. Its not happening in the real world, its a heavily stylized universe. Its a timeless universe that seems to be happening in every decade of the 20th century at once. The Batmobile is a ridiculous prop that somehow can do everything at once, I could spend hours naggling about the technical details. Why does he have an army of penguins with rockets? BECAUSE AN ARMY OF ROCKET PENGUINS IS AWESOME! There is no debate on this, that is one of the coolest and most adorable things I’ve ever seen. The circus freak army? Silly fun. Batman Returns seems to have one of the best emotional cores, darkest tones, and just wild spectacles of any Batman film. Its simply excellent, love that movie.

    Actually, considering that one of your favorite movies is Big Trouble in Little China, I’m surprised you didn’t enjoy the sheer ridiculous fun of Batman Returns. They aren’t all that different in terms of tone. I liked Big Trouble in Little China for the same reason.

    NOW COME AT ME, BRO. HIT ME. HIT ME. I’m throwing the gauntlet down, Spoony!

    • http://www.facebook.com/JLBehrend Jeremy Behrend

      the challenge has been made to the Avatar!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1271696023 Adrian Burt

    This wasn’t a Batman movie. It was a Bruce Wayne movie.

    • c.conley90

      In other words like Brad Jones said in his review of this movie, it should been called Gotham.

  • http://twitter.com/Br3akman Blues

    OK so you can accept the Joker in Dark Knight getting a huge gang off
    screen who is willing to wear clown masks and do what he says but cant
    accept the Penguin getting a gang in Gotham City, wearing clown makeup,
    and doing what he wants. You can allow the Joker to get an endless
    amount of explosives and the ability to set them up in several locations
    without getting caught or having them being noticed after they were
    planted even in a place as crowded as a Hospital! Yet cant allow the
    Penguin to who was being backed by a crooked CEO of a company who was
    trying to get him elected as Mayor to get money, buy explosives, hide
    them in the sewer, and put them on the backs of penguins who he can
    communicate and understand better then humans.

    One thing i cant explain is the Penguins connection or oneness with
    penguins. To the extent of having them for the most part know what he
    means when he is talking, or to care about him when he is killed. I can
    completely understand now why you hated the first Beastmaster movie so
    much. Then again I will take your advice and re-watch Batman Returns and
    see if it bothers me as much as other Batman villains getting
    weapons/explosives/gang members/ & super powers.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Joseph-Johnston/1829664647 Joseph Johnston

      The penguin funeral was probably the most surreal moment I’ve ever seen in a Batman movie and that’s saying something.

      • Jailer_of_Justice

        Even more surreal then the Batboat/wing chasing Penguin in the sewers riding a motorized rubber duck?

    • Jailer_of_Justice

      When you rewatch Batman Returns imagine that Penguin is Killer Croc because that makes more sense given the storyline.

  • NymphadoraTonks

    Spoony, please, for the love of God.. get a haircut. XP

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Tariel-Corbeau/1388782046 Tariel Corbeau

      Speaking personally here… I like long haired guys.
      Maybe it is just the stupid romance novels my mother read while she was pregnant with me… or maybe it suits him better then shorter hair. I personally think he looks better with long hair.

    • theshamster

      I may be wrong, but I think Spoony is deliberatly growing his hair so he can cos-play as Loki from “Avengers.”

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Olivia-McCormick/100001336868303 Olivia McCormick

    Oh get over oreo. Shes fucking adorable and the squeaker is fine, its not like he saw oreo planning to fuck up his video, its a DOG. On that note, his hair is fine. Love ya spoony, been wanting to see this movie ever since commercials popped up~

    • PeaTearGryfin

      but she wasn’t around in 2008. We don’t like change!!! She is the death of all things TSE!!! That was total sarcasm if you couldn’t tell.

    • IHeart28

      I agree, I love Oreo’s presence, and the hair honestly never bothers me in the slightest. I really can understand the squeaking being annoying but Oreo’s unaware of a review going on, she’s just a dog being any normal dog. Oh and the hair? Really people? It’s his hair. Critizize him on a logical level, like his quality of camera work or special effects, people are just being dowright picky and just looking for something to bitch about now.

    • http://www.facebook.com/JLBehrend Jeremy Behrend

      Oreo Rules.

      • PeaTearGryfin

        Oreo 2012. What she would be a better pick then anybody else on the ticket this year.

  • http://www.facebook.com/angel.d.figueroa.9 Angel D. Figueroa

    you know, the fusion reactor thing really bugs me in this movie. He scraps the project because it MIGHT be turned into basically a neutron bomb…but ANY nuclear power plant contains material that can be turned into nuclear weapons…besides, if we never used any technology because it might possibly be used as a weapon somehow we never would have invented sharp sticks or FIRE!

  • http://twitter.com/RCresham Richard Cresham

    You were in Ireland, and I missed my chance to meet you? Nooooooo! ;______;

  • BrendanConcannon

    But Spoony! Batman Returns had Christopher Walken!! It couldn’t have been that bad….right?

    • c.conley90

      I think Spoony’s just saying that to inflame fans of the movie, same reason he called Raimi’s Spider-man 1 and 2 outdated shit.

      • http://www.facebook.com/JLBehrend Jeremy Behrend

        well…he did see the AMAZING spiderman. the only thing that was amazing about that movie is that it got green lit.

        • c.conley90

          I agree, nothing about it was really amazing, more just mediocre and it felt like things had been cut out big time out of it. Like, and I hate to compare it to it, the Daredevil . Which means maybe a director’s cut will be released that is better than what we saw in theaters. It looked like some studio tampering probably occurred before release.

  • mwong04

    Don’t listen to spoony about the stuff about reincarnations of Batman.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jake-Roberts/100002819871275 Jake Roberts

    KILL DOG

  • http://www.facebook.com/arctomian.degroot Arctomian de Groot

    Yea uuuhm regarding batman returns. you know most of the things i do agree with you on, hell in our DnD campaign we called my horse (only 1 in party) carmelos. but regarding batman returns.
    pff i could skype for a full hour with you and explain that this movie aint bad. i would probaly convince ya to. cmon you gavce the pinguine and his army of clown and you complain about that?

    pff you love teen age mutant ninja turtles and it makes no uther fucking sense that shredder has ton of foot soldiers going out like ensign redshirts. yet you love that to. give batman returns some slack.

    regards from holland (EU, not tenessee)

    Arctomian

  • Arn1

    Awesome movie, and even more without thinking about it too much or reading a comic, but things like Talia not knowing about lazarus pit or league of shadows goal was total bullishit (like the rest in the movie about it), but there is thing that totally fucks up the movie and it makes it nearly unbearable – Anne Hathaway. I mean, she’s fucking horrible in this movie, she’s Michael Bay bad or even worse. She’s ugly, says really, really stupid one liners for 8 years old, her costume is crap and I could not believe when I first saw it in the leaked shots from the set it was for real. She looked like shitty cosplay and played her rolle like a cosplay – totally forced and annoying. The best part? She didn’t really do anything significant (aside from that one thing with pearls… which could be done by anyone else) or something that Bane or Batman couldn’t do alone, and her “tunnel scene” was the most pointless and cliche thing in the history of movies ever. In final showdown, she makes training/pit scene totally pointless.
    Also the ending – big disapointment. Flowers and butterfly bullshit. Too predictible, too… obvious Chekhov’s gun(s).

    Either way great movie, really enjoyed it, but those thing nearly drove me insane and I wanted to live. The first hour though was the hardest to sit through, because of shitty and forced Anne Hathaway.

    • c.conley90

      What does Michael Bay have to do with how bad Anne Hathaway’s performance is? She’s pretty bad in other things, I’m sorry I never really cared for Ann Hathaway in anything she did.

    • http://www.facebook.com/JLBehrend Jeremy Behrend

      youre on drugs. not literally. Anne played catwoamn the way she should be played. she gave homage to every catwoman that came before her and was closer to the year one catwoman than ever before. To even put Bay in the same prargraph as BATMAN is like sticking YOUR **** into a cheerio (to borrow a phrase). Its just plain insulting to any batman fan to read that.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Anders-Stensson/613896567 Anders Stensson

    I liked the movie but its not the best in the trilogy. IMO I believe that the original thought of the courtroom scene was to have the Joker being the judge. Also I would have loved if the called John Blake SPOILERS mr. Grayson instead of Robin in the end.

  • CowardlyMclusky

    Glad you liked the movie. In regards to everyone talking about Batman Returns, the clown army is explained kind of because the Penguin was a sideshow freak in the circus for Burtons version, the army of penguins however, yeah… I have no idea. I agree that it’s horrendously stupid but fuck me is it enjoyable to watch Keaton murder the shit out of criminals as Batman.

  • adamfox

    thanks for vlog! good to hear your thoughts always n wish you cud do this every weekend!

    just side note: id say 75% of this (45mins) was more plot summary then actual review for folks who have already seen it. Next time I’d say skip the recap and get to pros and cons.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1673310152 Julian Andreassen

    Bruce Wayne wasnt completely crippled. It was that a part of his spine was damaged (most likely from when he fell down from the building in The Dark Knight with Harvey) which made sure that he had problems with his leg, and the leg brace was as you said to make sure that he would be able to move properly when he turned into the dark crusader again, and the reason for why he lost against Bane wasnt because he was crippled, it was because Bane was stronger than him, because he tired Bruce out and because Bane had skills equal to batmans.

  • John Richard

    I hate to say this but blaming the Joker doesn’t work, since he was already captured and could not have physically killed Harvey Dent.

    • http://www.facebook.com/JLBehrend Jeremy Behrend

      he did kill dent. the second that rachel dawes died, and his face got blown off.

  • http://www.facebook.com/lucas.allen.96 Lucas Allen

    Here’s my top five favorite Batman movies at least so far.

    1. The Dark Knight
    2. The Dark Knight Rises
    3. Batman Begins
    4. Batman Forever
    5. Batman (1989)

    Why choose Forever over the original? Because Jim Carrey’s Riddler made it more fun than Jack Nicholson’s Joker in the original!

    • http://www.facebook.com/JLBehrend Jeremy Behrend

      one name: Frank Gorshin.

  • Alex Nejako

    I like the Team Edward shirt.

  • Senna4ever

    Even if you view TDKR as a “character” movie (as Miles suggests), it’s still a bad one as there are no characters worth investing in. The plot & characters are forgettable on every level.
    It’s just a rehash of BB, it’s like watching an alternate cut of BB more over an actual sequel, just swap the main villains and you have the same movie. It’s slow, plods along and introduces characters (including Batman)…again, it’s another “origin” story.
    For a “finale”, it ends with a whimper.

    TDK is an amazing picture, massively over hyped but still a great film none the less.
    This is just such a disappointing end to the series.
    This is not a Batman movie, cos Batman is hardly in it. It’s more a spin off with a Batman cameo.
    The end of this film is also terrible, though people keep telling me I didn’t “get it” as if it’s supposed to be some deep, meaningful end. It’s not. It’s a badly shot, contradictory, nonsensical ending just to appease fans….SPOILERS coming…

    How the hell does Bruce survive this 6 mile radius (as we are told) blast, as it’s shot it shows Batman in the cockpit right till the end, except for maybe 5-6 seconds when he could have ejected, even if he did eject then…how does he escape the 6 mile radius? He’s Batman, not Superman.
    Some say Alfred “imagined” Bruce at the end….really? So Alfred also “imagined” Selina Kyle, who he never saw except for a few seconds on a computer screen. He also “imagined” Kyle wearing the pearls? Plus Alfred knew nothing about a relationship between Bruce and Selina as he left before this was even hinted at, so why would he “imagine” her at all?

    It’s a bullsh!t end. Nolan should have shown some balls and just outright killed Batman, instead of wimping out with a “open” ending that makes no sense either way. Or it should have been shot in a “better” way overall to suggest Batman escaped.

    I hope someone reboots again, but this time makes the series FUN. Yes Batman is dark, but it’s still a comic book character. One thing Burton get perfect was the dark style and tone…but still damn good fun films.
    I don’t want a “realistic” comic book movie. That’s akin to drinking alcohol free beer….pointless.

    TDKR is just such a pointless and half assed film.
    I’ll take TDK as the “end” to Nolan’s Batman as it was a better film and a more “open” end and just ignore TDKR.

  • lightice

    It’s amazing how many reviewers and viewers completely miss why Bane is doing what he does to the city. He doesn’t believe an ounce to the ideology he espouses to the masses, he makes that very clear early on. He just wants to give the city, and by extension Bruce Wayne an experience of ultimate despair, which in his view can’t work unless they are also given a little hope; hence the rousing of the masses to rise against the rich and the corrupt. But ultimately he sees the masses as just as corrupt as the wealthy and the powerful, and intends to destroy them as Ra’s al Ghul originally intended, after giving Bruce a sufficient length of psychological torture first as revenge for killing Ra’s.

    • http://www.facebook.com/david.arseneau David Arseneau

      Isn’t Bane just a “hired grunt” in this story?

      • lightice

        Not at all. He’s a former member of the League of Shadows, and his dismissal had nothing to do with his lack of devotion to the cause; he’s as fanatic as any other member of the group. Also, he has a huge personal stake with Talia al Ghul, genuine undying loyalty, and would follow her anywhere. Her cause is his cause. A “hired grunt” would never be willing to go off in a five megaton blast for the sake of proving a point.

  • lightice

    Also, Penguin’s army of clowns was explained in Batman Returns. It was told that he performed as a sideshow freak when he was younger. Obviously he gathered his gang from the circus.

    Batman Returns was a big homage to the 1920′s German Expressionism, which was very dark, surrealistic style of movie making. Hence the strange plot twists and eerie visuals.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Evolutionary-High/1836707697 Evolutionary High

    The funny thing is that Bane now considers Batman to be a respectable friend.

    He even helped Nightwing and Catwoman protect Gotham while Batman was zapped by Darkseid.

    He told Nightwing that he holds great respect for Batman and gives Nightwing his blessings as the next Batman.

    Bane is just a great character.

    • Jailer_of_Justice

      With any luck this movie will get the writers of Batman to give Bane a little more attention and develop that mutual respect he has for Batman. Instead of portraying him as a super-powered roid rager.

  • http://www.facebook.com/viktor.akesson.777 Viktor Åkesson

    I love Batman Returns… a lot. Among my favorite movies of all time. Why? It’s like the ultimate Tim Burton movie, and just a fun ride. The music is absolutely perfect, the opening is among the best and most dark movie openings I have ever seen, the characters are great and fun and you can tell all the actors really had a fun time doing the movie. And you also could tell Tim Burton had a damn good time directing this movie, since he had 100% freedom.
    Yes, sure – it has silly things in it for sure. But the entertainment value is sky high – I couldn’t bring myself to remotely hate the movie even if I tried as hard as I could. The ending is also just SO memorable. And hell, the entire movie is just so memorable, and unique. “Oh, it’s ripping off Nightmare Before Christmas”, I’ve heard some people say? Well… Nightmare Before Christmas was released 1994. Batman Returns was released 1992. So really, which movie is ripping off which one, huh? :PThe movie just has too many lovable and memorable scenes to count. It’s always an amazing ride for me to get through. It goes through all kinds of emotions I have inside me. You can nitpick it all you want and find as many flaws as you can… I will either agree or disagree depending on how much sense they make. Clowns and penguins out of nowhere? Sure. Goofy when the Penguin rides on that batmobile to control the actual batmobile? Absolutely. But at the same time, also hilarious.
    If you hate the movie, that’s fine. You probably hate me as a person either way, Spoony. Why? I love the Star Wars prequels, I love the Transformers movies, I think The Dark Knight Rises is disappointing, and I think The Amazing Spider-Man is the best live action superhero movie to date. Yup, you heard me. Now go on and bash me and make fun of me for it – won’t change my opinion. At least I can defend it and be constructive about it.

    • c.conley90

      What, Amazing Spider-Man the best live action superhero movie to date? You really haven’t watched many superhero movies, Amazing Spider-Man isn’t even close to the best.

      • http://www.facebook.com/viktor.akesson.777 Viktor Åkesson

        That’s subjective – you can not tell me what my opinion is. Best and worst movies aren’t coldheart facts, so stop acting like a child and accept the fact that we all have the rights to our own opinions. And I have seen almost every superhero movie out there, thank you very much.

        • c.conley90

          It’s your opinion, sure and I am just saying that it isn’t the best in my eyes and I’m not telling you that your opinion needs to be different. Hell, I liked the Transformers series despite their numerous faults. And I liked Batman Returns but I was just stating my disagreement with that particular point. If anybody is acting like a child it is you.

          • http://www.facebook.com/viktor.akesson.777 Viktor Åkesson

            Oh really now? Who was it that said “You really haven’t watched many superhero movies”, hmm? If you only want to tell me you disagree, then treat me with respect. You even go as far now as just trying to backfire my statement about you? Yeah, not childish at all.

          • c.conley90

            I really don’t care if you get all defensive about me not liking your opinion or not. I was just making a sarcastic comment about the movie, get over it. And your acting childish because your firing back comments about me trying to change your opinion, which I’m not. And then your firing back comments about how I’m just kissing ass, I’M NOT. You are really acting like a child if you think I’m going to respect you, some pipsqueak on an internet comment board. I was just making a comment on how funny that sounded to me. Yes your opinion is wrong to me and certainly a little bit naiive considering how many better superhero movies that exist out there that don’t have there main character sitting there in a hood for parts glowering, or acting like a complete hipster douche and a bad guy so badly developed it isn’t even funny. And a movie that just screams Sony greed for a Spider-Man movie in order to get more money without having to work with a director like Raimi who gets in the way of their interference (i.e. Shoving Venom into Spider-Man 3). No I don’t consider a movie made for solely profits, the best superhero movie ever and I just people are just wrong to think that. But saying that I do disagree there, I do enjoy the Transformers trilogy and Batman Returns. So there I don’t completely disagee with your opinion. But no I don’t respect you.

          • c.conley90

            I mean god, there are numbers of Superhero movies better than it, Superman from 1978, Superman II-Any cut, Batman 1989, Batman Returns, Spider-Man, Spider-Man 2, Watchmen, X-men: First Class, Thor, Superman Returns, Captain America: The First Avenger, Iron Man, Iron Man 2, The Avengers, Incredible Hulk, even ang lee’s Hulk, The Incredibles, X-men, X2. Hell I would watch Batman Forever and Batman and Robin and or Spider-Man 3 purely for the badness and the entertainment value over the meh boring mediocre Spider-Man. But whatever that’s just my two cents otherwise, continue your thinking that I’m telling you what to do and that respect my opinion thing you do.

          • http://www.facebook.com/viktor.akesson.777 Viktor Åkesson

            Acting like a child and a whiny little man? I’m not the one yelling at me and trying to push me down, now am I?
            Can you please stop arguing like a small kid? I want to be able to respect and understand you – but all you do is to throw insults at me and to desperately make it look like you can’t make any single mistake. This is getting pathetic, dude. Just listen to yourself… “making a sarcastic comment”? Just give it up. You’re making it worse. Stop being a jerk, or I will just ignore you from now on. You’re acting worse than anyone else I have ever argued with. And that is saying a lot to me. And yes, I know I’m not perfect myself – but this is turning into a farse.
            So, for what it’s worth – I apologize for anything you might think I have done you consider to be stupid of me. But to be fair? You are literally ranting about me misunderstanding you, like a complete douchebag. Can you at least TRY to give a friendly approach? You’re not saying “Oh no, you’re misunderstanding me – let me explain.” – you’re saying “Get over it – I’m just being funny, you hipster douche!”.
            And guess what? I am not fucking okay with that. I don’t deserve such a immature treatment. So it’s all up to you. Either act like an adult, or I will ignore you. The choice is your’s.

          • c.conley90

            Me, ranting? About you understanding me? You are so wrong on so many levels. I’m just stating my disagreement with you, that’s all I did in the first place. Whatever you may get out of that, isn’t my problem. As far as pathetic goes, I’m sorry you got all defensive in the first place when I said some kind of Joking criticism of first comment. I don’t think you have done anything stupid to me, besides get all defensive over a comment I said. And if you think I’m pathetic just listen to you in your last comment, the oh I need proper treatment from you bullshit that reeks of so much self-importance. I’m sorry I dare to disagree with your opinion.
            You are such a sob story of no respect, and then its this Immaturity crap which I’m far from being with you. And no, I’m not even calling you a hipster douche, I was calling Peter Parker from the movie a hipster douche but not you.
            I was just offering some joking criticism on your opinion, hoping to spark a little debate on it. Not some self- Important jerk getting all bothered just because I say something that goes aganist his opinion. And also making things up, like oh how I want you to change your opinion. The reason I insult you, is how much you sit there and harp on things like you getting no respect. Hell I get no respect half the time writing on these comment board, do you see me whinying to the other guy, oh you giving me no respect, you are acting like an immature child, I might just ignore you now. I’m sorry if I insulted you, I would be happy to have a nice argument on the matter of the Amazing Spider-man, provided you don’t make up stuff that I didn’t even write. And if this sounds like kissing up, it isn’t, I’m honestly not picking any fights here. I was honestly, at the beginning of this all I was doing was disagreeing with you in a comment, in a joking manner. Because, you know it humors me with all, this Amazing Spider-Man is the best super hero movie comments I see all the time. I’m sorry, I was just getting defensive with you because I was insulted by the making up of stuff that I wrote in a previous comment. But I will stop it here, i’m open to a nice argument over the subject matter. My harping on you stops here.

  • http://www.facebook.com/ethan.l.hauer Ethan Lee HAuer

    About having the Joker closure theres a reference after the credits I found was very clever and I enjoyed Batman Returns but Forever is still my favorite

    • http://www.facebook.com/viktor.akesson.777 Viktor Åkesson

      They toned out the movie in the theater I was in before we saw anything after the credits. :/ Is there somewhere I can find this clip? I tried Youtube, but I only found fake videos of it. Hope you can help me out on this one, since I would have really loved to see a closure for the Joker. :)

  • http://www.facebook.com/otakursed Mike Lee

    Don’t mind Oreo so much as the bleedin’ toy. Lock IT up well before making the vid, and she’ll likely find something to amuse by time to record. re: the movie, though, I felt a bit of my own “BETRAYAL!!!”, seeing as the only thing in the entire comic book arc that introduced Bane was . . . well, BANE. No wearing down of Bats, no venom to fuel Bane’s musculature, and the introduction of the League of Shadows was a greatly diminishing factor to his actual origin story. And still a lapdog for a female villain. Nice.

    • http://www.facebook.com/JLBehrend Jeremy Behrend

      what works in the comics doesnt always work for the movies. While i agree venom wouldve been a better weak spot then the mask…the whole knightfall/knightquest/knightsend storyline wouldve been a bit much.

  • CronoT

    Also, I’m surprised that neither Noah nor Miles called bullshit on the cops when they came out of the tunnels at the end of the movie. They’d been locked down there for over three months, in or near the sewers, during winter. After three months of living, sleeping, and eating in the same clothes, they would be rotting and falling off them.

    Suspension of disbelief only goes so far; and that was just a reality breaker for me.

    • http://www.facebook.com/JLBehrend Jeremy Behrend

      true. but what i want to know is wtf wasnt Blake named Tim Drake or soemthing? Robin Blake, Seriously ?? A hard-nosed young Gotham beat cop who is secretly helping Batman to bring down the super-villain known as Bane. In the end after the Batman dies, he turns into Robin. Bite me Nolan.

      • Jerry Forbe

        Didn’t you watch the ending? XD *spoilers* Batman doesn’t die.

        • http://www.facebook.com/JLBehrend Jeremy Behrend

          yeah i suppose i shouldve put that in ” ” XD

  • http://www.facebook.com/JLBehrend Jeremy Behrend

    Batman Forever wasnt bad, but it wasnt the best. if the only reason a person likes BF is because of jim carey then they obviously arent watching the whole movie. and thats what some have been focusing on.
    This isnt to say its bad, becuase it is good, but its NOT better than the Keaton Batmans. its good, ill give it that but its not great. its on par.
    IF Kilmer wouldve done B&R, then it wouldve been interesting to see. and while it may have out grossed BR, BF was essentially a watered down version of Batman. which wasnt a bad thing.
    at least Robin’s outfit looked sweet.
    “Schumacher claims he originally had in mind an adaptation of Frank Miller’s Batman: Year One” but the studio rejeced the idea. Good call. because that would be going EVEN DARKER… well….i could call BETRAYAL! only in the sense that BATMAN: Year ONE was Dark, and Edgey as where BF was not. but really, its no big deal. It was lighter toned. as i have stated in other comments, BF was “poppy”. IF you DONT compare BR to BF, BF is a good film. it doesnt suck. it does have a complete storyline, if not a visual style that needs toned-down. Just dont go praising BF as the better Batman Movie, because it isnt. They are both good in thier own way. So get over it and just enjoy.

  • http://twitter.com/destroyer769 Brennan Wyatt

    do you like Portal 2? and Skyrim or The Walking Dead tv show and or comics or game? if so please reply #WhatsAPaladin

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Willy-Torres/1843126720 Willy Torres

    The next one can always be “Batman Beyond”. Hmm it would be like passing the torch.

  • Jerry Forbe

    The real reason Bane didn’t simply blow up the city is because he wanted to show Batman how pointless it was to try to save Gotham, to show how worthless the people of Gotham really are. In a sense, he wanted to completely embarrass the Bat, destroy the city, and come back to kill him. To put it simply, an insult to injury. He wanted to destroy Gotham while at the same time mentally break Batman, and then leave. I don’t think he wanted to stay in a city of complete anarchy. I really liked the character development with Bruce Wayne, you say its more of a ‘Bruce Wayne Movie’ but I like to think that Bruce Wayne IS Batman. This is the same guy who took down the Joker, and took down the mob.

    Also, the reason Batman doesn’t simply kill his enemies is because he symbolizes Justice. Justice doesn’t kill people, Vengeance does, and it saddens me to see that many fans of Batman don’t see this. I personally think they only like batman because they love the newer movies.

  • http://twitter.com/ogodhowdoitweet McMarcus

    TDKR does nothing to help my “irredeemable batman fanboy” status but there are a few things I’d have liked to see changed:
    1. Venom? Anybody?
    2. Bane is a genius,nothing less. He is a mastermind,not a pawn, let alone to Talia Al-fucking-Ghul!
    3.Maybe I’m forgetting things from Begins and Dark Knight but how the hell did Joseph Gordon-Levitt’s character (something Blake, I’ve only seen the movie once) figure out Batman’s identity?This takes geniuses like Bane,Riddler,Ra’s etc. (Oh, and that wink at the end was incredibly heavy-handed, why not have his birthname be Grayson or something?)

    • Jerry Forbe

      I agree with you there, I did think he needed some sort of venom or tank for his mask. That Talia Al-Ghul reveal was dumb not only because of incredibly HUGE plotholes… but because it ruins the mental struggle between Batman and Bane. Bane being the much stronger, smarter, and better fighter. I felt like the reveal ruined the fact that Batman was able to overcome the Pit, the Pit being a metaphor for Batman’s enemies.

      As for Blake, the only reason he was able to figure out Batman’s identity was I think because they’re related somehow? I think he implies to Bruce that they are blood related, and that it has something to do with the orphanage. Maybe they’re brothers? But the movie wasn’t actually clear on how Blake found out Batman’s identity.

      • Kendotuxedo

        Blake’s explanation for knowing who is Batman was one of those moments that I thought was so lazy and stupid that it pulled me out of the movie.

        Basically, Blake said he taught himself how to smile when dealing with the woeful things in his life. Bruce Wayne was funding Blake’s orphanage and when Bruce visited the orphanage, Bruce was smiling in the same way. So Blake knew Bruce Wayne was “false-smiling” and that’s all it took for him to figure out that Bruce Wayne was Batman. That’s it. That’s all they tell us because the movie didn’t care enough about the back story as long as it gave fate to Wayne Manor, the bat cave, and the hero’s legacy.

        • Jerry Forbe

          He also says something about coming from the same orphanage as Bruce? The movie wasn’t clear about it.

          • Kendotuxedo

            Yet Bruce was always in Alfred’s care. it makes no sense

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Willy-Torres/1843126720 Willy Torres

    The next one can always be “Batman Beyond”. Hmm it would be like passing the torch.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/IZN3576H5K6ONT2XWQATB4SWXI Brian

    You can tell from the trailer that there will be more than one Hobbit movie if only because they didn’t show the dragon. There is no way they would not include the dragon in the trailer unless they had no dragon to go with because it will be in later films.

    I did think the scene where Bane broke Batman was kinda bad. He didn’t break him on his back, he broke him on his side. So he didn’t snap his spine, more like he just messed it up. I guess it was a good compromise since there is no magic in this version, but I thought that Mr. Prison Guard was going to have some kind of super herb tea thing to heal Bruce + Bruce’s superhuman resolve. Instead the guard just shoves it back in place.

    I thought that the Joker would make a cameo, but if Bane did release him then the Joker would flip out and declare war on Bane and create a totally different movie. There should have just been a scene where a minion goes to Bane and asks if he should release “this prisoner” and Bane looks at the name on the cell and tells the minion to make an exception and keep this guy locked up.

    Aside from confusion of what Bane’s motivation was the movie was amazing and worth watching.

  • theshamster

    I agree that Bane sounded like Sean Connery.
    We need deviant art to draw a picture of him in a tux, seated at a casino with loads of showgirls cuddling him. Have him smoke a cigar or something and drink whiskey.
    Bane : The names Bane, James Bane!

  • Akasen

    I thought Hideo Kojima went on to do work on MGS4 because of death threats.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Penelope-Quail/100003001638230 Penelope Quail

    Prometheus was far better.
    TDKR was a plot hole filled mess.

    • CronoT

      I’m sorry; but did you just imply that Dark Knight Rises has more plot holes than Prometheus?

      When it’s all said and done, Prometheus was a plot hole clusterfuck of a movie. Instead of being a proper prequel, it just turned into a mess. When you get right down to it, the ‘Engineers’ from Prometheus bear a more than passing similarity to the Metroid mythos, just with the Chozo and the Space Pirates being mashed into one race.

      While it’s true that Metroid II was based on James Cameron’s Aliens, they did a good job adapting it. The other way around, not so much.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Penelope-Quail/100003001638230 Penelope Quail

        Nope. Prometheus was a perfect film in every way possible by the master Ridley Scott.
        Don’t compare it to that trash (fun trash, but trash none the less) ALIENS created by Cameron, that completely RUINED the perfect organism concept.

        Only Prometheus, Alien, and Blade Runner are Canon. The rest are fanfiction.
        And the Enginners from Prometheus are based off of the Annunaki and Igigi- tall pale black eyed biomechanoids

        • CronoT

          I hope you saying Prometheus is a “perfect film” is a snarky hipster way of pointing out how badly it flowed into the established film you already mentioned it being the prequel to.

          If not…..

          BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

          *serious face*
          That is all.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Penelope-Quail/100003001638230 Penelope Quail

    Have you seen TDKR yet? Jesus, it *beep* sucked. It sucked so bad, that I
    need to talk about this movie because I think this was perhaps one of
    the stupidest films I have ever seen. I see people confused about the
    plot and some details so I’m going to take you through it bit by bit,
    logic holes and all. It’s not all bad. There’s some good stuff in here
    but it’s basically a sh** sandwich. So here we go…

    First, we
    open up the movie with the plane hijacking which is our introduction to
    Bane. They pull off a Bond-centric stunt and kidnap nuclear bomb guy and
    it was pretty cool even if Bane sounded like my grandfather on a
    respirator. So far so good.

    Then we’re at the Wayne residence.
    And it’s time for what Nolan does best. Exposition baby!! That train is
    never late. Let’s get started. It’s Harvey Dent Day!! Celebration of the
    Dent Act which is keeping Gotham’s worst criminals behind bars with no
    parole. Gordon is bumbling and stumbling trying to come up with some
    kind words for Gotham’s deceased psycho DA. We learn through convenient
    conversation from unnecessary new character #1 (Foley) that Gordon’s
    wife took the kids and left him and he won’t be commissioner too much
    longer because they’re planning to dump him. Foley is obviously an
    ambitious little weasel and he’s like Gordon is about to get canned?
    Ch-ching!! Why the audience needs to know this I have no idea because
    nothing ever comes of this info. Miranda Tate (unnecessary new character
    #2) is still trying to see Bruce Wayne for some big project. Alfred
    tells her to step off.

    We also find out Bruce Wayne is a Uncle
    Fester crippled recluse who never comes out of Wayne Manor. Why? He’s
    been retired as Batman for 8 years still brooding over the loss of
    Rachel even though they had the chemistry of Tom & Jerry in the
    previous two films.

    Selina Kyle is busy masquerading as a maid
    and stealing pearls belonging to Bruce’s mom which also contains his
    fingerprints (for a later thread in this convoluted story). Bruce goes
    Hawkeye on Selina with a bow and arrow and they have a nice chat before
    she takes John Kreese’s advice and sweeps the leg on that cripple Wayne
    and hops out the window.

    Bruce is intrigued by this chick so he
    goes to the batcave which looks like it’s been rebuilt even though
    Batman has been “retired” for 8 years. This scene is basically there to
    give Bruce his one minute of doing detective work. Alfred finds Bruce in
    the bat cave and gives the same old tired monologue about how he wishes
    Bruce would end up as just a regular Joe with a nice family blah blah
    blah. And to top it off Nolan shows Alfred’s little dream sequence where
    he sees Bruce in a cafe with his family. Nolan has the subtlety of a
    sledgehammer to the face so as soon as I saw this scene I knew it was
    going to come into play later in the film.

    Selina delivers
    Bruce’s fingerprints to Dagget (unnecessary character #3 AKA plot
    device) who’s working with Bane. He’s planning to set up Bruce to lose
    his wealth later on in the movie in an attempt to take over Wayne
    Enterprises. However, Catwoman gets double-crossed and doesn’t get what
    she wants in return which is the macguffin device known as
    “StartYourLifeOver”. No, that’s not it. I think it was called
    “LifeEraser”. No…it’ll come to me later. Anyway this ridiculous little
    device is supposed to wipe out your entire criminal history from the
    computers. However, if authorities have a paper file on you that’s two
    inches thick with your history and photos that little device isn’t going
    to help much. Anyhow, Catwoman tricks Dagget’s thugs into calling the
    cops who show up right away. She plays victim and screams her head off
    as they tear up the place. She escapes.

    During the melee the
    action somehow goes into the sewer with Gordon being caught and taken to
    Bane and his little army. I can’t remember how because I was a bit
    bored by then and ruffling my popcorn trying to find the ones with
    butter. Bane isn’t happy that his goons brought Gordon to his pad so he
    starts breaking the necks of his troops like Darth Vader…except
    without the Force. Gordon is like *beep* this and rolls into the sewer
    where the clairvoyant John Blake (unnecessary character #4 who steals
    Batman’s movie) arrives just in time to find him coming out.

    Speaking
    of the clairvoyant John Blake he stops by Bruce’s place to clue him in
    that he knows he’s Batman. How? Because they’re both orphans and Blake
    could read his face. No, I’m not kidding. That’s the reason lol. I
    *beep* chortled in the theater when he said it. Blake tells Bruce that
    Batman is needed once again.

    To speed this story along. Bruce
    tracks down Selina at Miranda Tate’s party. They dance and chat it up
    and Bruce takes his mom’s pearls back. To return the favor she steals
    his car and goes on a joyride. Bruce also visits Fox at Wayne
    enterprises to talk about the new macguffin device that can be turned
    into a nuclear weapon which plays a role later in the film. While Bruce
    is there he gets a look at some new toys that have been in development.
    Most notably “The Bat” which as we find out later in the film any person
    can apparently drive and operate with no training whatsoever. Even
    Lucius has taken it for a spin on occasion when traffic is just too
    heavy.

    Bruce goes back to the bat cave and tries to figure
    things out. Luckily ex-CIA operative Alfred conveniently knows the scoop
    on Bane’s history and of course spoonfeeds the audience of his origin.
    What, you really thought Alfred was just a butler? Cmon lol. This guy
    can get the info and motivations about anyone just by snapping his
    fingers. I wouldn’t be surprised at this point if Alfred knew who killed
    Kennedy.

    Back to Bane. He and his goons attack the stock
    exchange in an attempt to bankrupt Bruce Wayne (using his fingerprints)
    and they succeed. During their escape they use hostages strapped to
    their motorbikes to get away. The cops are chasing them and one of the
    cops actually says shoot the tires LOL. I’m laughing about that because
    if they shoot the tires and the bike falls I’m pretty sure the hostages
    strapped to the front and back of those bikes are going to incur some
    major head damage when they wipe out since their arms are tied and they
    can’t protect themselves lol. The chase leads to a tunnel which suddenly
    starts going dark and you guessed it!! Batman is back and comes out of
    the darkness on his cool Batpod. The senior cop tells his little young,
    flunky partner “BOY, you’re in for a show tonight!!”. Actually, no. Not
    much of a show at all. Batman rides his batpod and really does nothing.
    Ambitious weasel Foley who was chasing Bane at first suddenly turns his
    attention to the bigger fish Batman and wants to take him down even more
    than Bane to make Gordon look bad. So the whole police force chases
    Batman. Batman drives down a dark alley and the cops conveniently stop
    their pursuit (why? I don’t know) and think they have Bats surrounded.
    Suddenly we see “The Bat” rise from the alley where it was conveniently
    placed (and not a single person in the city saw it fly there and noticed
    it was parked). That thing must have stealth. Batman escapes of course
    and the “show” is over.

    Back to the Wayne residence where Bruce
    is getting cocky and underestimating Bane. Alfred in one last ditch
    effort to stop Bruce admits he destroyed Rachel’s letter and that she
    chose Dent over him. Bruce says low blow man and Alfred once again pours
    on the monologue and waterworks like we haven’t heard this sh** enough
    times already. By now I’m getting annoyed with the crying and just want
    Bruce to kindly tell Alfred to STFU. Bruce says nothing damaging but
    Alfred leaves for good voluntarily and Bruce is on his own. Good
    riddance I say.

    To make matters worse Fox informs Bruce that
    he’s broke now and they make plans for unknown Miranda Tate to take over
    Wayne Enterprises just to stick it to Dagget. However, they must inform
    Tate about the macguffin nuclear device sitting in the basement and
    that it’s not a toy to be played with. If it was that dangerous they
    could have just saved time and dismantled the thing but that would have
    been too logical. A little while later Tate goes to visit Bruce at his
    home for some reason. The lights go out since Bruce has no money to pay
    his electricity bill. She starts the fireplace up and yeah Stevie Wonder
    could see where this is headed. Bruce and Ms. Tate get it on and that’s
    that.

    Bruce is feeling spry after gettin’ some and sets out to
    meet Catwoman to track down Bane. However, before he does that Nolan
    tells him to dress up as Batman and climb onto to something really high
    so the Batman fanboys can get their obligatory shot of him looking over
    the city with his cape flapping in the wind. Batman stares out for
    awhile and then says “Good enough?”. Nolan nods approvingly. The very
    next scene has Batman in the sewer meeting with Catwoman asking her to
    take him to Bane. A short stroll 20 seconds later and they’re in Bane’s
    lair. Catwoman locks Batman in the UFC cage with Bane (one of the few
    cool parts of the movie) and he proceeds to thrash Batman while talking
    trash in his old man, high brow, raspy Darth Vader voice the whole time.
    Batman uses all the tricks at his disposal but Bane has seen all of
    this crap before since he was also trained by Ra’s. He beats Batman like
    he stole something and breaks his back over his knee. Catwoman looks on
    with the guilty conscience.

    Meanwhile the entire police force
    goes underground to search for Bane and his men. Yeah, seriously. They
    send the ENTIRE force down in the sewer. Sounds stupid? Because it is
    lol. Bane clairvoyantly planned for this kind of convenient stupidity
    and had bombs planted to trap the cops underground and to also blow the
    bridges. And while he was at it decided to blow up the whole Pittsburgh,
    errrr, Gotham Steelers team as well. If that doesn’t get the citizens
    of Gotham on your side nothing will lol. It gets better. He says there’s
    an atomic bomb in the city and it will be detonated if anyone tries to
    leave Gotham or anyone sneaks in. You’d think there would be mass panic
    in the streets right? People saying *beep* it and fleeing for their
    lives? Maybe try to hop on a boat? Nope. All goes according to plan and
    millions of Gotham’s citizens hole up in their homes. It’s a ghost town.
    How does Bane’s little army keep tabs on the whole city? How do the
    citizens of Gotham get food and everything for months on end? How does
    the city continue to operate? Who the *beep* knows? No one lays out any
    rules. The underlying message of this far-fetched plan is loud and
    clear…this movie is starting to suck.

    Bane also finds time to
    drop Bruce off at the Lazarus Pit in some other country and tells him
    that he intends to give Gotham hope before killing them all. Yeah,
    everything he’s doing to that city really inspires the people with hope,
    right? lol. Anyhow Bruce’s punishment has to be more severe so Bane
    leaves him there with built-in cable TV and snacks so Bruce can watch
    the destruction of Gotham helplessly.

    Back to Gotham where Bane
    is now on a loudspeaker telling the city of Gotham that they’ve been
    lied to. He pulls out a letter written by Gordon and gives the details
    in fire and brimstone about DA Harvey Dent. Why the city of Gotham would
    believe a madman who blew up their bridges, trapped their cops
    underground, blew up their football team and threatened them with an
    atomic bomb is beyond me. Bane tries to give them even more hope by
    releasing their criminals into the street. Who in the hell writes this
    stuff? lol. I guess Mr. Logic took a break from this movie for awhile. I
    hope he makes it back because this movie is getting a little
    ridiculous.

    Blake is disappointed in Gordon for not telling the
    truth about Dent. Gordon snaps back defensively and that’s that. Blake
    starts doing a lot of detective stuff because he seems to be the only
    cop left in Gotham. He takes over the movie for awhile while Batman is
    out of commission. It’s basically “John Blake Begins”.

    Back in
    the pit Bruce is getting his back rehabilitated by the resident witch
    doctor who knocks Bruce’s back into place Looney Tunes style and strings
    him up to heal. The movie speeds ahead (in a Nolan movie 3 minutes
    equals 3 months) and Bruce is back doing pushups and situps in no time
    trying to get out of the pit with the locals chanting gibberish cheering
    him on. The third or fourth try is a charm (I lost count by then) and
    Bruce finally he gets out. He looks around and is in the middle of
    nowhere except a village in the far distance. Then Bruce is back in
    Gotham asking Selina Kyle for help and…wait a minute, what the *beep*
    ?!? How did Bruce get back into Gotham with no money and no resources
    and with Gotham supposedly locked down? Secondly, how did Bruce find
    Selina in that HUGE city in the first place? And why is Bruce asking for
    the help of a woman who assisted in bankrupting him and set him up to
    get beaten within an inch of his life? Mr. Logic? Are you there? Oh
    that’s right he left a long *beep* time ago and apparently isn’t coming
    back. Selina tells Bruce there’s nothing else he can do for the people
    of Gotham. She’s getting the hell outta dodge and he should come with
    her.

    Meanwhile the locals have been restless and kicking the
    sh** out of the rich. They hold mock trials and sentence the Mitt Romney
    types to walk over the frozen ice where it eventually collapses and
    they comically fall in. Gordon and his crew of Merrymen are caught and
    sentenced to death by Jonathan Crane (aka Scarecrow) who has nothing
    better to do these days. As Gordon and crew are walking to their
    eventual death you’ll never guess who appears? Batman, who despite his
    heavy armor can walk across the ice just fine with no problem
    whatsoever. He also conveniently knew where to find Gordon JUST IN THE
    NICK OF TIME. That’s not all. Batman is also a budding artist. He gives
    Gordon a flare and tells him to go ahead and light it. Gordon need not
    worry about melting the ice…it’s Bat-tested. So Gordon throws the
    flare on the ice and it starts a line of fire (I’m laughing as I’m
    typing this because it’s so dumb) and it reveals a HUGE fire logo of
    Batman’s symbol. Not only did that probably take hours to do but it also
    ruins the element of surprise. Hans Zimmer’s score blares the Batman
    music for this monumental feat and I keep telling myself it’s going to
    get better…it’s going to get better. Sad to say, it doesn’t.

    So
    by now this movie is so far gone it just doesn’t matter anymore and I
    think Nolan knows it. I honestly believe he’s trolling the audience and
    the critics just to see how much crap he can get away with. So back to
    the movie. Bruce conveniently found Selina Kyle, conveniently found
    Gordon just in time to save him. What’s one more time going to hurt?
    John Blake, you’re up!! Batman saves Blake just in time from Bane’s crew
    and for some reason tells Blake to wear a *beep* mask. Jesus H. Christ
    Nolan can you telegraph the ending of this movie any more?!?

    The
    cops get free and they all exit their sewer-dwelling existence as if
    they’ve been doing Bic shaving commercials. Ambitious weasel Foley has
    turned to last minute good guy after Gordon convinces him to lead the
    police charge against Bane’s men. The unarmed cops run straight into
    Bane’s mercenaries who are armed with tanks and automatic rifles. Batman
    once again comes out of nowhere in “The Bat” at the last second to aid
    in the charge. I guess Bane’s guys run out of ammmo after a few seconds
    (they can’t shoot worth a piss anyhow) because it just becomes a battle
    royale of fists flying everywhere. Batman makes his way through the
    crowd practically untouched and comes face to face with Bane for the
    rematch while the chaos ensues all around them. The final fight scene of
    Enter the Dragon instantly comes to mind with Bruce Lee about to battle
    Han lol. Batman and Bane go at it and Batman targets Bane’s mask. It
    seems he can’t breathe when that mask is continually getting hit and
    Batman gets the upper hand. Batman starts screaming in his gruff comical
    Bat-voice asking Bane the whereabouts of the trigger to detonate the
    bomb. He’s about to do Bane dirty when Miranda Tate (aka Talia Al Ghul)
    shanks Batman in the back and reveals her true identity. It’s supposed
    to be a big plot twist but by this time I’m like who gives a rat’s
    ass?!? Talia (like father, like daughter) talks about her and Bane’s
    history and monologues her whole plan to a stunned Batman. While she’s
    flapping her gums Gordon is playing action hero and manages to plant a
    convenient device to block the neutron bomb from being detonated. Talia
    finishes her life story and hits the button waiting for the explosion.
    Nothing happens. Her plan has been foiled…curses!!

    Talia
    leaves Bane to finish the job on Batman but Catwoman sneaks up on
    everyone with a suddenly silent Batpod and just in the nick of time
    (yeah, it’s a running theme) saves Batman and blows Bane back to the
    stone ages. Batman gets his 2nd wind despite having a serious knife
    wound and chases Talia down in “The Bat” with Catwoman assisting on the
    Batpod. Talia crashes the truck and starts the typical villain death
    monologue. Rather than get the bomb out of Gotham ASAP Batman, Gordon,
    and Catwoman stand there comically listening before she dies one of the
    most horribly acted deaths I’ve ever seen. Batman looks at his watch and
    figures he has a bit more time to waste with Gordon and Catwoman before
    he finally starts towing the bomb out to sea away from Gotham. We see a
    closeup of Batman’s face as he’s flying out to sea and the bomb finally
    explodes. Gotham is saved and it’s the end of Batman….or is it?

    Well,
    everything is wrapped up nice and neat. We see Bruce Wayne’s funeral
    with Alfred crying once again that he failed the family. I know it’s
    supposed to be sad and all but I’m sick of Alfred’s sh**…sorry. Wayne
    Manor basically becomes an orphanage. Batman gets a really cool statue
    in his honor. We find out John Blake’s name is actually “Robin” in the
    most cringe-worthy, eye-roll inducing way possible. Gordon is seen
    checking out what looks like the new Bat, errr Blake-signal. Fox learns
    the autopilot was fixed by Bruce Wayne and he gets a knowing expression.
    Then we see Alfred in a scene that looks just like his cafe dream that
    he had earlier in the movie. He looks over and sees Bruce with Selina
    Kyle. Bruce smiles and Alfred smiles back….Batman is ALIVE!! I sure as
    hell didn’t see that coming. The final shot of the movie is Blake
    finding the Batcave signaling he’s the new Batman even though he’s had
    no training and no wealth whatsoever. I can’t wait to see him get his
    ass kicked. Cue the credits.

    • http://www.facebook.com/viktor.akesson.777 Viktor Åkesson

      Great review, I have to say. :) Yeah, I found a lot of these problems myself as I watched the movie and couldn’t get over them. The movie had some really great moments, but it had some really BAD moments as well.

    • http://www.giantbomb.com/profile/cornbredx/ CornBRED-X

      I actually agree. I thought the movie was a convoluted mess. I normally really like Nolan’s films, but this was probably his worst. It’s a shame too, there was some genuinely interesting moments, but as a whole it didn’t work for me.

    • dieseledge

      Didn’t have a problem with him walking on the ice considering one of the more memorable scenes for me in Batman begins involved Bruce and Ra’s sword fighting on thin ice. That and Batman did some crazy shit (taking down a horde of ninjas) with that armor so I don’t think it was that heavy. The only a real problem, I have, is with how his back was fixed. Everything else can be defended but I’m not going to write a book to do it. Looks like you had a bone to pick with this movie from the start.

      • Jerry Forbe

        I didn’t really have a problem with them fixing his back, sometimes if a bone is dislodged doctors put it back in place. Not so sure about punching his back, but the part where he ties a rope on his back is an old way of stretching out his spinal column.

        • dieseledge

          It’s not something that really bothered me enough to piss me off. The rope on his back wasn’t the issue for me. It’s just the angle Bane’s knee hit his back would make me think that the disk would be knocked inward, not outward.

    • Jerry Forbe

      I only halfway agree with you on this one. There are problems with the movie, but some of your criticizing I disagree with. It was a great movie, but you make it sound boring as hell, it had plenty of great moments and lines. To put it short, I don’t think you really watched the movie, tbh it seems you were there but didn’t really pay attention. *sigh* Critics need to sit down and relax sometimes.

    • Aiddon

      tantrums on the net are always funny to see. Think if you stamp your feet hard enough people might listen?

  • http://twitter.com/destroyer769 Brennan Wyatt

    do you like Portal 1 and or 2 and also Skyrim because in your Twitch.TV video i think it was Spoony vs. Mass Effect 3? where you had stated that “don’t get me started on Skyrim!” do you hate it or is there something else and also i recently saw your vlog about Watchmen and i was wondering what kind of graphic novels you like maybe Neil Gaiman’s Sandman or Robert Kirkman’s The Walking Dead tv show and TellTale games but here in your Vlog you stated that you read The Dark Knight Returns what i am trying to ask is What Graphic Novels Do You Like?

  • http://www.facebook.com/florent.petit.98 Florent Petit

    “Where the f*ck did the Penguin get an army of rocket penguin ? where the f*ck did the Penguin get an army of circus clown ?” => clan of the Red Triangle which adopted Penguin when his parents threw him in the sewer, also how he got his penguins.

    Now, I know exactly what will be your answer if you ever saw my comment “F*CK YOU, YOU FRENCH A****E !!!!!” … er… well, yeah, but also “What were these guys doing in the sewer in the first place ?!”. Personnal opinion on this one : it’s a Tim Burton movie.

  • Shauna

    lmao at 7:40 “his gigantic *SQUEEEAAK*” Oreo just censored him. As for her, I don’t mind her running around and stuff–I like Spoony just being casual at home and it’s nice to see him happy again. Maybe she could play with a non-squeaky ball or a rope toy though? :D (Also I lol every time she almost takes out the camera in these videos)

    • Jerry Forbe

      The squeaking doesn’t go on for very long. Only for about 1-2 minutes at the beginning of the video, and I don’t understand why everyone is suddenly freaking out about his dog. Just don’t get so tense all the time, sit back and relax.

      • PeaTearGryfin

        Suddenly? Go read the comments on the video when Spoony first got Oreo. People were calling BETRAYAL!!! even back then. I love this argument that the Vlog is ruined because 2 minutes out of 58 minutes have a squeaking sound in the background.

        • Shauna

          I’m not freaking out–I’m one of the people saying it’s stupid to freak out. I was making a suggestion because spoony was saying that Oreo was killing him with the squeaking and people are bitching, so why not sub a rope toy and put an end to the whole non-issue?

          • PeaTearGryfin

            You aren’t the one I was talking about. I was talking about the guys down below us who were talking about how this is another vlog ruined because Oreo has a squeaky toy.

        • Jerry Forbe

          It’s silly how people tend to get annoyed by a little dog. If you can keep your focus on spoony, relax, and take in his thoughts…. there’s really nothing to worry about.

    • IHeart28

      Yeah I agree with you. The squeaking is for a very short period of time. Again, I found her precence extremely cute. I really never understand people’s hate for Oreo, I mean jesus, it’s a dog!

  • http://www.facebook.com/benjamin.karasik Benjamin Karasik

    Why pin Two-Face’s crimes on Batman?

    A number of reasons:

    1) When Dent had Gordon’s family at
    the place where Rachel died, the police had a border already set up. By
    this time, Joker was in custody. Had they blamed Joker, everyone would
    have known they were lying. That would prompt an investigation into the
    other deaths. Batman and Gordon wanted to preserve Dent’s image as the
    “White Knight,” giving the citizens of Gotham hope.

    2) Batman wouldn’t want to falsely pin crimes on even someone like the Joker.

    3)
    After the events of The Dark Knight, Batman can no longer allow himself
    to be affiliated with Gotham Police without risking more deaths. By
    “rebranding” himself, he not only severs all ties to authority, he is
    also “becoming the villain.” As Dent is allowed to die a hero, Batman
    must accept the opposite responsibility. (i.e.- Dent’s phrase, “You
    either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the
    villain.”)from imdb to answer the pin the batman part in the review

    4) Harvey Dent is a leading prosecutor. If word
    was to get out that he’s a crazy killer, all the crime bosses in prison
    would have sufficient grounds for appeal. All the convictions of all
    the cases Dent has ever tried could be overturned, and all the crime
    bosses would be back on the street. The movie mentions this a few times.
    In their first meeting, the mayor cautioned Dent that he had better
    watch himself, because all they need is a little dirt on him and all the
    cases would crumble. During the scene where Dent threatens the fake
    honor guard who was actually a paranoid schizophrenic, Batman warns Dent
    that killing him would put all the cases in jeopardy. Batman reiterates
    this to Gordon at the end.

    5) During their final
    confrontation, the Joker explains that Batman’s weakness is his
    adherence to rules. Why abide by a code when your enemies obviously
    don’t? Pinning Two-Face’s crimes on Batman is sending a message to the
    public, and it’s not a terribly positive one. This also plays into his
    psychological dilemma evidenced by the line “I’ve seen what I have to
    become to stop men like him.” (Another possible interpretation in this
    vein is referenced earlier in the film. The point is made that the
    criminals are not scared of Batman because they know he won’t kill,
    making him less effective. By pinning Two-Faces crimes on Batman, it
    changes that perception, striking even more fear into the criminal
    mind.)

    6) Giving Batman a villainous public image should prevent any further copycat batmen harming themselves and others

    7)
    Since he began his fight on crime, Batman has, inadvertently, become
    the glue that holds Gotham together. Alfred tells Bruce after the Joker
    shows up that he can’t quit, and that he would have Bruce endure because
    he can make the choices no one else can make. The decision to take the
    fall for Harvey was the only way to keep the crime bosses/criminals from
    being released from jail and to keep the city inspired. The
    personification of Batman is the only image/symbol strong enough for
    Gordon to use, which could convince the people of Gotham to believe the
    story that Batman, not Harvey, was responsible for those deaths.
    It would not have been very convincing or ethical to blame those crimes
    on another person/criminal. This was Bruce/Batman’s way to be whatever
    Gotham needed him to be.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ian-Haas/100000971156636 Ian Haas

      Spoke like a boss B)

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Zena-Howell/100001666497493 Zena Howell

      Yeah, I agree wholeheartily on EVERY point you made! I somewhat agreed with Spoony, to an extent in here but his “Batman taking fall didn’t make sense” made me roll my eyes. Same with his mention of the back being put in place like that, a dislocated joint has to be relocated before it can heal or it’ll heal to be dislocated, that’s like common knowledge.

    • http://www.facebook.com/daniel.westgate.100 Daniel Westgate

      Your third point is invalid since he goes into retirement, making your 5th invalid as well. Maybe no one was thinking of putting Batman into retirement after, you know, everyone hates him, but whatever. That could of easily been fixed by saying he stopped being Batman sometime later, but it specifically says after he “killed” Dent he vanished. Your 4th point was never an issue. Everyone gets why Dent is a martyr.
      Your 7th point seems like you’re trying to say, “to intimate Gotham’s criminals” but why kill Dent and wouldn’t it make it seem like Batman is just a psychopath who’ll kill anyone? Thus someone may think he can be hired or something… But it doesn’t matter now, because he retired.
      Your second point is just a guess.
      Point number one and is the only logical and necessary explanation. Everything else is guesses and things to try and help with the tone of the movie but at the same time that stuff isn’t really important to the plot, when the bulk of it is about choice and human decency. Why can’t Batman be a hero? He just retires anyways. Hell, maybe people would even kinda hate him for not helping anymore. “You ever die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become a villain” always seemed forced and out of place to begin with. Was Dent planning on going on a killing spree or something? Sort of makes the whole Two-Face thing inconsequential but the real problem is it makes no sense. It’s not set up. He’s talking about Batman. I get he means people will hate you or something, but the further deviates from the ultimate point of Two-Face, turning wisdom into the most literal interpretation of it. But now we get to my point. Just because someone said something doesn’t mean it makes an action make sense. If I said I can break steal with my bear-hands then do it, you wouldn’t think it was a magic trick?

  • http://www.facebook.com/domenico.tozzi Domenico Hairyfoot Tozzi

    If spoony got a crew cut he would look exactly like his brother, their faces are identical!

  • thehivemind33

    I was happy to see when Spoony first got Oreo. Dogs are great therapy. They’re there for you with nobody else may be. Mine sure helps me get through those sad days…

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jesse-Ornelas/100001342383339 Jesse Ornelas

    I won deny Batman Returns is a stupid movie, but it’s still dumb fun. Penguin is my favorite Batman villain (even if he sucked in that) but damn it, it was a fun movie.

    Yes nothing made sense, but it was better, darker, and more entertaining than Batman and Robin. I actually like Batman Returns more than Batman. Why? No idea in hindsight but I still do.

    At the very least it’s better than Ultima 9. Nowhere near as stupid or makes less sense than it. I dare you do try and say Batman Returns is worse than Ultima 9;P

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jesse-Ornelas/100001342383339 Jesse Ornelas

    4got this last time. TV Tropes says Joker was executed off-screen for what he did in Dark Knight. 8 years between it and Rises, so I’ll buy it. Can’t top Heath Ledger.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Caio-Trubat/100002080389485 Caio Trubat

      It seems like they changed their minds. They are releasing a novel explaining Joker’s final fate.

    • itbegins2005

      Interesting… though I would have thought the Joker would just be stuck in Arkham Asylum. Because after all, the Nolan films are supposed to be set in a semi-realistic universe, right? Well, in the real world, there’s no way Arkham would have the kind of lax security it has in the comic books– so the Joker would probably end up locked in there for the rest of his days. Especially without a Batman running around Gotham to give him the inspiration to try a jailbreak…

      They never say what happened to him in the actual FILM, so this is what I’m sticking with.

  • Renaissance_nerd

    I don’t mind Oreo in the V-logs, they are supposed to be casual anyway, I know Spoony would not let her do that in one of his “professional” reviews. So its all good

  • http://www.facebook.com/david.arseneau David Arseneau

    The main complain I have with the movie is that Bane (as well as the other villain in this movie) is an incredibly boring villain. The most fun I had watching the movie was seeing the Scarecrow judging all those rich people and sentencing them to death or exile. The main villain of each movies (except for this one) was the only thing that brought the movie closer to what a superhero movie is. If you take out the excentric main villain, the Dark Knight just becomes an action movie with people in themed equipment.
    Also, why is their absolutely no reference to the joker (I know Ledger is dead, but the character is still part of the series’ universe) or even Arkham Asylum?

    • itbegins2005

      Actually, I though Ra’s Al Ghul was more like a Bond villain than a supervillain. In fact, the only “supervillain”-ish character I’ve seen in this trilogy is the Joker, and that’s just because he’s the most colorful of all the baddies in the franchise. But that doesn’t spoil the movies for me or anything– the “action-movie” approach just comes off as a fun way to reinterpret some classic Batman villains for the big screen.

      Oh, and I suppose Catwoman actually looks like a full-fledged supervillain, too (what with her blatantly cat-like domino mask), but since she’s not really a VILLAIN, per se, I don’t think she counts. And Scarecrow, with his mask on, looks more like a horror movie villain than a supervillain.

    • Jerry Forbe

      Incredibly Boring Villain?

      Bane was actually interesting, and had some history compared to the Joker. While the Joker came from absolutely nowhere, Bane did have some origins and was explained thoroughly in the movie. Bane had one of the best lines, and was intimidating, like he should be. People really think that ooh just because he wasn’t as good as Heath Ledger, he isn’t memorable or exciting.

      I admit, Heath’s role as the Joker was incredible, but that doesn’t downplay the performance of Tom Hardy as Bane.

      The only thing that ruined Bane’s identity as one of the most intimidating and badass characters was the reveal at the end with Talia. But that still doesn’t diminish how well Bane was acted and written, sure you can call complete bullshit with that reveal but it doesn’t change the character.

      “…you merely adopted the dark, I was born in it, molded by it, I didn’t see the light until I was already a man…”

      • http://www.facebook.com/david.arseneau David Arseneau

        I’m not saying Bane was badly written or badly acted. I can’t actually comment on the acting because I saw the movie dubbed in french (although his voice actor was simply amazing), but I think Bane was still a great villain in a REALISTIC depiction of Batman, which is why I don’t classify the Dark Knight trilogy as superhero movies but action movies.
        Also the fact that Bane works for Talia pretty much means that every thing he said came from the mouth of someone else.

  • http://twitter.com/Shada67 Shada67

    I thought Blake was meant to be Tim Drake (3rd Robin). To the point where I thought they’d just got his name wrong. (Seriously, his full first name IS Robin??). In the comics, he figured out Bruce Wayne and Dick Grayson were Batman and Robin; because Tim is a very smart young man with analytical skills to work well with that side of Batman (as the Detective).

    I liked Blake’s character arc through the movie as well, so they should have just kept his name as Tim Drake. =D

    • zenithl

      I think Nolan’s film ultimately serves the “mainstream” film audience (like it or not, The Dark Knight really helped this genre extends FAR beyond the comic book crowd). And only a small fraction of these moviegoers will know who Dick Grayson/Jason Todd/Tim Drake is, but Robin itself is embedded firmly in the general consciousness (thanks no small part due to the Adam West show). I went to see TDKR with a bunch of my friends, and I’m the only one who regularly read comic books. When Blake’s name is revealed, while my stomach groans, all my other friends go “Oooooh~”.

      None of them will know what that was about if Blake’s name is revealed to be Dick/Jason/Tim.

      • http://www.facebook.com/YourD Jordy Den Hartog

        The main vibe I got off of Blake’s character was that he incorporated elements of all three Robins (orphaned like Dick, grew up on the streets like Jason and has a naturally keen deductive mind like Tim) and as such the fact that his given name was Robin felt much more like a throw-it-in little shout out to that.

        That said, there’s already been another character to both fit that description AND take over the mantle of Batman, so while I didn’t groan at the name, I was kinda disappointed that it was Robin instead of Terry McGinnis.

  • http://www.thejhohcableshow.com/trollpolice/ Jhoh Cable

    There was in Batman Returns where Batman stuffs the bomb down the clown’s pants, but don’t forget there’s a scene only a couple of minutes later where some fire eater dude is burning down stores, and the Batmobile turns around (with some metal pivot pillar thing even) and straight up blasts the dude with the jet exhaust, so that he horribly burns to death.

    Also Miles saying that Bane sounded like the SNL Celebrity Jeopardy version of Sean Connery, I’ve actually heard a handful of other people say that too. And he does kinda sound like Gandalf too.

  • zenithl

    “The first part of Bane’s plan is essentially an extended ‘Fuck You’ to Batman.”
    This is why I love Miles. He always summarizes it best.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mitchell-Bandes/100001750373297 Mitchell Bandes

    It’s true that it didn’t make much sense for Bane to be so obsessed in
    torturing Bruce Wayne after he broke him. And that’s because he wasn’t.
    It was [redacted] all along who wanted revenge, for killing Ra’s al Ghul
    in the first movie. Bane was just carrying out the wishes of the real
    brains behind the operation.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=753345456 Octo Seven

    Gets back from Ireland, only thing he has to say about it is complaining about having to do too much work. what a whiner. booho

  • Norrikan

    I feel like mentioning this, since Batman Returns was brought up: While the story made little sense, I absolutly loved the art direction of that movie. Rarely has Gothem felt darker and more gothic than there, I feel.

  • Marcus Lundgren

    Leave Orio alone!!!! Boooaaaahhh!!!!
    No, I actually don’t mind her squeaky antics one bit.
    Like others have pointed out, it adds a touch of charm to these Vlogs.
    And besides, she CAN serve a beneficial purpose with all her noise.
    How? Well, if you find her distracting, then you’ll concentrate that much harder
    to hear what Noah and Miles have to say, and consequently, you’ll pay more attention
    to what wisdom they have to impart.

    So thank you, Orio!

  • David_Dennings

    I’ll just say the squeaking was much more distracting in the Prometheus review.
    That aside, great vlog as ever, Miles at his reliably assertive and generally amusing best.

  • WildCardLeBeau

    Alls I’m going to say, and believe me there is plenty to say about this movie, is . . . somedays you just can’t get rid of a bomb.

  • http://twitter.com/JJJMMM1 JM

    The Penguin had a criminal gang (which he started when he was a circus performer) and they kidnapped children. That’s presumably how he built his crew over the years. As for the technology, hey, maybe some of the carnies were good with their hands.

    Remember, the movies are about a billionaire in a bat suit punching supervillains in the face. They’re not realistic in the least. Nolan’s way of trying to explain everything in real world terms is in my opinion more silly than the semi-fantasy approach Burton took.

  • Atmos_Duality

    Comments:

    ***Yes, Batman Returns is a terrible movie based on the grounds of logic.
    Of course, so was the original Tim Burton Batman. And Batman Forever. I shouldn’t even have to mention the last one. This is comic book logic, as run through the filter of Tim Burton’s mind.

    Whether or not that makes a good/bad movie, is in the details and execution.
    Fight all you want about it; it will change absolutely nothing. Me? I love parts of that film: namely, like how it handles Catwoman’s (campy) descent into madness, and Christopher Walken as the mayor. The rest of the movie is pure batshit-crazy Burton.***

    ***Not mentioning the Joker.

    This is a problem with NO real solution. Casting for a sequel? That would shit all over Heath Ledger’s perceived “legacy”, and barring a miraculously amazing performance from the replacement actor, that perceived slight ALONE would kill any sort of business for future Batman films (which are indeed planned).

    For once, I think they did the most rational thing they could and ignored the problem entirely.
    We don’t need this movie to remember Heath Ledger’s Joker. It’s the proverbial Elephant in the Room, but what does one DO once they’ve identified the Elephant?
    You can’t get rid of it; It’s an unmovable object.***

    ***Speaking of sequels…
    I think Miles has the right of it. It won’t build off of Nolan’s trilogy, in part because Nolan’s take on Batman limits what Hollywood can milk out of the general public.

    In short: Closure gets in the way of milking franchises. I could go into details, but most of them were covered in the video (albeit not directed in the way I using them to make my point).

    The only other opinion I have is that of the typical “hipster”, that the creative process has largely become bankrupt, movies music and games have become extremely reliant on franchises, self-derivatives and reboots blah blah, but it’s nothing you haven’t seen before.***

    ***Oreo is distracting. Knowing what I do about playful dogs, that’s actually quite natural, and good.
    But the only thing I can think of whenever she gets involved when Spoony is shooting a Vlog is “I bet a bunch of assholes out there are already typing out their bile.”

    I get a chuckle and a sigh out of it.
    It’s amusing in an absurd sort of way, but also reminds me that I share the same species as people so petty and vile that they would go out of their way to bitch about a HAPPY DOG on the internet.***

  • http://www.facebook.com/viktor.akesson.777 Viktor Åkesson

    I’ve now written my own review of the movie. Don’t expect me to either praise or bash the movie – it’s a review, not a rant. So, if anyone wants to know my honest opinion, then here it is: http://fav.me/d594jyb

  • Dragdar

    I went into this movie – BLANK SLATE – no trailers no nothing.

    And i still feel like this – WHY NO BATMAN!. There’s a lot i could bore you with nitpicking this but mainly i wanted to see Batman on screen, hand to hand impressive display of power, explore the Bat side of him.

    DETECTIVE WORK, EXPLORING THE SEWERS, THE CITY, FIGHTING A MOB IN THE NIGHT, USING GADGETS ; SMOKE BOMBS, INTERROGATING, ANALYZING WEIRD EVIDENCE IN THE CAVE; STANDING ON ROOFTOPS HAVING REALLY IMPORTANT LOW KEY CONVERSATIONS …!

    Where’s all that?

    AND I JUST DIDNT FEEL BATMAN WAS POWERFUL WHEN STANDING HIS GROUND ! (without his vehicles) a lot of it has to do with the way the costume limits his movement and just his size.

    i remember, when i played Batman; Arkham asylum and read comics, i felt like he was almost not human,some1 really extraordinary by sheer willpower!, like “Bruce Wayne” is just a mask not Batman! You see?
    _____

    In this movie Bruce Wayne is this guy who, apparently everyone major know that his Batman, the mystery just isn0t there and he’s not cracking the case, someone else is. Gordon and the team.

    It’s more like the city itself is the main character and that just shouldnt be so not matter how important your message is. Yes he should inspire, but SHOW US his actions!

    THE DAMN MOVIE IS CALLED “the dark knight rises” and thats what I WANT TO SEE DAMMIT, either pass on the mantle (Blake/robin ) or take up the cause but you better be on screen!
    __________________
    The most impressive scene was the prison and the climb, the atmosphere was just amazing with people chanting.

    • Dragdar

      Not only was the physical side of Batman lacking but also MENTAL, he got played like a fiddle MORE THAN ONCE, played for a fool ! someone who’s supposed to be a genius of 180 IQ !!!
      .
      The point of Batman “world’s greatest detective” is that he’s always one step ahead of his adversary like a chess master.

      Instead he gets betrayed and led into a trap more than once, THATS JUST UNFORGIVABLE, Talia and catwoman are both dangerous influential charaters and love interests but Batman finds a way to use them, to be ahead of the curve
      ._____________________
      And Bane also turns out to be a joke! This power machine, end up just a pawn that gets killed with a stupid punchline.
      The catwoman, she’s supposed to be soft and mellow one second but dangerous another. They really botched that character. just being an arrogant bitch doesn’t equal – catwoman.
      and her redemption story arc doesn’t hold any weight. doesnt feel genuine at all.

      Gordon- perfect
      Blake – perfect

      Alfred – i can understand his motivation, well handled character.
      Talia- why do i get the feeling this movie is pushing the unusually “strong woman” story too much on more than one front. feminsit wet dream

      You’re telling me that BATMAN, the biggest badass, barely jumps the gap, but one little girl climbs out no problem.

    • itbegins2005

      At one point, Batman DOES stand on a rooftop and have a really important low-key conversation. He talks to Catwoman, and she tells him who she sold Bruce Wayne’s fingerprints to, remember?

      You know, it sounds like you went into this movie with some massive preconceptions of what it was supposed to be. The movie may not be filled to the brim with Batman, but it is, fundamentally, all ABOUT Batman– his value as a symbol and the reasons behind what he does, and whether or not he should continue doing it. Chris Nolan doesn’t like to repeat himself, and he already GAVE us the Batman you’re talking about: The Dark Knight was FULL of him. So he was just trying something new. Maybe you should see it again and try to appreciate it for what it IS rather than what you THOUGHT it would be…

      • Dragdar

        Just another reason to say “Batman;The Dark knight” was a better handle movie, no matter how much the whole lover interest was overplayed.

        Ultimately i think another director should be given a shot and another actor as well, it’s one thing to act out the Bruce Wayne part, but being in a tight suit trying to be Batman, that’s another, you better sell it like it’s the real deal.
        And the voice… it hasn’t gotten any better from the last movie.

        And it got a lot of criticism then

        • itbegins2005

          Well, personally, I disagree. What I like about this movie (and the whole trilogy in general) is that it strips the hyperbole away from Batman. The character has gotten really out-of-hand in the comic books recently; even without superpowers, the scope of what Batman can do in the books is just ridiculous sometimes (especially in Grant Morrison’s wretchedly over-the-top run on the Batman books, where he defeats a dark god, overcomes a complete psychological breakdown, and somehow disarms a metaphysical time-bomb after travelling to the far future and blahblahblah). People like to say that Batman is the most human of superheroes, but nothing he does in the books these days even borders on the realms of possibility.

          These films, however, take Batman back to a more human place. Sure, he’s still a brilliant man and a full-fledged ninja, but he’s not infallible, he’s not unstoppable, and there’s a real chance that he can lose when he goes up against a supervillain. It makes the drama more impactful when you’re not going into it thinking “there’s no way in Hell Batman can lose this. Batman ALWAYS wins.”

          I suppose it’s just a matter of taste, but for a series of live-action films, I just felt like this was the right way to go with the character. I’m sure the rebooted Batman will probably revert to the unstoppable monolith that the Dark Knight has become in the comics… but for now, I prefer a Batman with more humanity than that.

  • Aiddon

    probably my favorite movie of the year so far. I can’t wait to see what Nolan does next in his career as he’s pretty much cemented himself as the king of superhero movies and the hottest thing to happen to cinema in a LONG time.

    And yes, the Burton Batman movies are DUMB. The best Batman movie before Nolan came around was probably Mask of the Phantasm which was based around the Animated Universe

  • lockark

    I know this is going to sound like a Troll, but…. The New Aquaman comics are actually really good. Aquaman is actually going threw a story arc, and their telling a pretty good story so far. So that’s atleast 3 from the new 52 worth checking out. XD

    • itbegins2005

      Personally, I think Swamp Thing and Batman are two of the strongest books coming out of the New 52, and Aquaman is definitely in the top five– so when Spoony mentioned Demon Knights as one of only two decent books DC was publishing, it really threw me off…

  • Dragdar

    Even after all that i want to say it is a GOOD MOVIE, no doubt ! Very impressive, feels special.
    But no one single character get’s fully developed it all feels half-baked… like butter spread too thin on a large slide of bread.

    In the second movie at least the Joker/Dent were the focus and they really had their development (at the expense of Batman’s)

    Now no-one get’s anything substantial but Robin gets handled the best.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Drain-Blut/100001687703474 Drain Blut

    I haven’t seen the movie yet but I have good expectations for it. I don’t care if it’s less about batman and more about Bruce Wayne. They are the same guy fyi and this is suppose to be about his age and retirement not his rise to fame or height of his career like the last 2 movies. He’s a realistic super hero, and as Noah said anyone that has been into fights that long would have a totally battered body due to years of broken bones and muscles. He’s also pushing in his 40s, which is when the Human body is going to lose its peak strength. I like fluid character arcs, similar to what happened in Spiderman 2. Then they made Spiderman 3……………………………

    So yes this looks like a promising final chapter for Batman. This is pretty much the 1 comic book movie adaptation I like. Spiderman was “ok” but now they’re rebooting it instead of finishing it. Wtf should we go see “The Amazing Spiderman, aka “Spiderman 2.0″, when the original is barely 10 years old and was done well enough already? Don’t fund that BS by watching it. I liked Toby as Spiderman and thought he did a pretty good job. He didn’t need to be replaced and the story didn’t need to start over. I also liked Xmen Wolverine.

  • Jailer_of_Justice

    Listening to your review of TDKR made me appreciate the movie a lot more. I like how you guys explained that this film is very different in tone and story structure then the previous movies. And I especially liked how you praised the film for taking a risk with the storyline that the current comics are afraid to deviate. This film series in indeed more about Bruce Wayne’s journey and the deconstruction of the Batman mythos (or what elements make Batman what he is).

  • Shad Croly

    I’ve heard that DC is gonna reboot the whole DC movie universe in order to make a Justice League movie, just like what Marvel did with The Avengers.

    • Turkey OnAStick

      Stinks of half-baked rumour.

      Anyway, why would they reboot? Take Batman, for example. Movie-wise, his parents have been killed by three different people.

  • RWilliamLake

    You could have mentioned something about the victims of the shooting you fucking self-centered prick! It happened 4 miles from my condo at the show I was gonna go see until I all of a sudden changed my mind to go there in the early AM! I love your videos but that was pretty shitty not to start off with at least an “I’m sorry” so no I did not watch the whole vlog nor will I! Bad Spoony Bad Bad Bad Spoony!

    • http://twitter.com/anxi0wnage Jonas Andersen

      How does that bear any relevance? This video is about, Batman, and the newest movie. Who says, Spoony, is entitled to bring up the shootings, and send his condolences? I think you’re pretty self-centered for bringing up how you could have easily been a victim.

      • RWilliamLake

        It would have just been nice to acknowledge the victims like AVGN did is all. It happened and it needs to not be ignored or swept under the carpet. Whatever think whatever you want to I still think an “I’m sorry” would have gone a really long way. As for me almost choosing to go there it is a fact and I am not going to hide that fact that fate kept me safe from the insanity of one cowardly person!

        • http://twitter.com/anxi0wnage Jonas Andersen

          Dude, what are you on about? Yeah, it was nice of the AVGN, however, it’s kinda becoming old news and we just have to get over it and move on. What do you mean by “it is a fact”? I never doubted you, I’m just having a hard time seeing why we all need to know about, how you could have been a possible victim.

          • RWilliamLake

            I guess the event hit me a little harder because it is a theater I go to all the time and it is so close to my house. I am not expecting everyone to see it from my eyes but the whole thing had me personally rattled for a good week. I went to go see Batman finally but I will tell you I was looking at the exits often during the whole thing. If you do not understand that I have no idea what to tell you man. Leave my post alone thank you it was just my opinion not yours nor anyone that you need to adopt in your life!

          • http://twitter.com/anxi0wnage Jonas Andersen

            Fair enough. I just think your words towards Spoony is really harsh. And you threw them out there for no reason at all. But anyway, I wish you the best of luck to recover from the event.

          • RWilliamLake

            I just would have liked some sort of acknowledgement from him that it happened is all. Not too much to ask since it is what it is and thanks Colorado and Aurora will recover in time just like we did after Columbine..

  • RWilliamLake

    Wow you deleted my comment? Lame man really lame! You could have mentioned something about the victims of the shooting you fucking self-centered prick! It happened 4 miles from my condo at the show I was gonna go see until I all of a sudden changed my mind to go there in the early AM! I love your videos but that was pretty shitty not to start off with at least an “I’m sorry” so no I did not watch the whole vlog nor will I! Bad Spoony Bad Bad Bad Spoony!

  • RWilliamLake

    I am very disappointed that you chose to delete my comment twice and I do think you lost a long time viewer over it congrats or something…

    • Turkey OnAStick

      Sort the discussion by “Newest”.

      • RWilliamLake

        Thanks I had no idea it wouldn’t be at the top of the board sorry about that really…

  • http://www.facebook.com/YourD Jordy Den Hartog

    I was a bit surprised about Spoony’s opinions since there was an awful lot that I found that could (and has) easily been nitpicked about this movie. First and foremost among them being the mismarketing of the movie as a Batman vs Bane one (which is a HUGE pet peeve of mine that can quite easily destroy an otherwise good movie for me)

    That said, I was pleasantly surprised and this video gave me all the more reason to watch this movie again with a different perspective and hopefully see a movie in what up until now has been more a series of cool scenes edited together to look like a movie.

  • http://profiles.google.com/sturmovik Mike Brotzman

    Great review as always Spoony. What you said about the three movies comprising the character arc of Bruce Wayne strikes me as having parallels to your arc as a reviewer. You sort of got started with tabletop gaming and DMing as outlined in your Counter Monkey works, then you became a hero to millions as you took on such notable villains as Dr Insano, Black Lantern Spoony and your rogue’s gallery of bad movies and video games. Finally after months of semi-seclusion you face your greatest test with the Guardian and Ultima IX.

    If you could put these three acts of your reviewing career into some sort of cohesive narrative I would totally pay good money to see it. :-) I would suggest the titles “The Experiment Begins”, “The Spoony” One and “The Spoony One Rises”

  • http://www.facebook.com/JLBehrend Jeremy Behrend

    reb brown shouldve been bane. trust me.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Angel-Zepeda/100000434015859 Angel Zepeda

    How can a painkiller addict like Bane who is as old or older than Bruce
    beat the Bat.Talia went from being torn between her loyalty to the
    League of Shadows(Assassins) and her love for Bruce.Batman to a Bond
    Villain?Don’t get me started on the cops parading down the street like
    it’s a Gotham Police Academy Cadet Review to take on Assault Rifles and
    Tanks!Lets not use the building rooftops and windows to our advantage!
    CHAAAAREGE!!!!!

  • shoot_em_up101

    God Damn it, I would just find out about you coming to Canada the day after. Oh well.
    Good movie talk as usual

  • Segatron

    I have my theory on the exclusion of the Joker. He was probably executed. Even though Crane is a monster, the terror attacks on Gotham were probably attributed mostly to Ras A Gul. He could probably plead out a life sentence. But the Joker was introduced with murders, ended the movie with attempted murder on a grand scale, and was gleefully raising the body count in-between. Including inciting a riot and detonating a bomb inside a police station.

    I figure the trial was very brief, especially since batman could still keep him in check during the proceedings as either a public figure, (who can extradite criminals from Hong Kong when he sees fit), or Batman himself since the Gordon is in on the Dent bluff. It probably ended with a lethal injection. Perhaps Gotham City’s first judgement of multiple consecutive death sentences, even.

  • http://www.facebook.com/toni.stanicic.3 Toni Staničić

    I still prefer the first Nolan batman. Batman Begins. Best of the bunch, made most sense, flowed well.

    • Scirocco

      Idk, Batman Begins suffers from the whole Superhero origin story problem, where the beginning of the movie is all really interesting, seeing how the hero trained/happened to become who they are, then they have a meandering simplistic villain plot for the film’s climax.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ian-Haas/100000971156636 Ian Haas

    Another vlog where Spoony has some sort of sickness that no other man on the planet has ever had, in this case jetlag.

    • banedon

      I’d recommend saying something constructive or go elsewhere.

    • IHeart28

      Actually my father has flown to many places in the US and he had gotten severe jetlag. Like Banedon said before me, say something constructive and not be so judgemental

    • zenithl

      Jetlag is a sleep disorder due to crossing different timezones in a short period. Just because you never get your carcass out of your fucking country/state does not mean it doesn’t exist. If you have never crossed the Atlantic twice within a week then shut your fucking trap.

      • PeaTearGryfin

        Hell, you don’t even have to go transatlantic for jet lag to set in. I once got a wicked case of it just flying back from Florida to Illinois. Man jet lag sucks ass.

  • sifer2

    Surprised they did not get into what was in my opinion the worst part of the movie. The twist ending that largely ruins Banes character. Maybe they didn’t want to get that deep into spoilers so I wont either. But yeah not only was that bit at the end not very true to the comic Bane but it makes you realize the whole plot of the movie up to that point really was a load of BS.

  • Nechljudow

    Nolan tried to make a serious Batman movie. Nice idea, but he left all the unrelistic comic stuff in it and still sold it as a character study. Now it does not make sense and people cant not help them self anymore by calling it artistic style. When the fusion bomb exploded a few miles away in air and everybody smiled relieved, even after they stated that the primary blast radius alone would be 600 miles, i started to hate this movie. I guess haters gotta hate;)

    • itbegins2005

      The blast radius was SIX miles, not six HUNDRED. A six hundred mile blast radius would be the most ridiculously overpowered nuclear device in the history of the WORLD.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/George-Rosenbaum/100001387887487 George Rosenbaum

        True, but I’m pretty sure that all the ocean water is contaminated with radiation now, which will probably seep into the soil and start poisoning everyone. But that got fixed off camera, I guess.

        I also bring up (again) that when Batman was flying over Blake’s bus on the edge of Gotham, the timer was at 45 seconds. In order to fly the necessarily 6 miles in 45 seconds, Batman’s little helicopter would need to have a top air speed of at least 560 mph, ignoring wind speed and altitude.

        So much for realism, because the fastest helicopters we can make can today only reach about 300 mph. Unless this retelling takes place a few decades into the future, I’m not buying it.

        • itbegins2005

          Okay, first of all, lighten up. IT’S A MOVIE. They may have based these films on the concept of Batman being set in a “realistic” world, but no one’s claiming this is the REAL world– there are obviously concessions made for dramatic effect that you find pretty often in action films. If you’ve never gone along with that type of a suspended disbelief gag before, I can’t imagine you’d like ANY sort of action, sci-fi, or horror films. Let alone a superhero movie.

          Secondly, that was a FUSION reactor, not a FISSION reactor. The whole reason people are trying to produce fusion reactors is because fusion reactions don’t create as many radioactive by-products as fission does. It’s fairly clean energy. So even after an explosion of that nature, there wouldn’t be too many contaminants left behind to poison people– fallout would be minimal, decontamination would be fairly simple, and Gotham would be relatively safe.

          And finally, the Bat may have rotor propulsion, but it is clearly NOT a helicopter. It’s an experimental aerial prototype– they say as much in the damn movie. It is seen in the film travelling at a far quicker rate than most helicopters (it swoops and swerves through the Gotham skyline with ease), and at the end, when it flies over the bridge, you can see jet thrusters kick in on the back of the vehicle– implying that its top speed is significantly greater when it doesn’t have to maneuver around buildings. With jet propulsion, it would be extremely simple to reach at least 600 mph– so the day is saved, thanks to superior vehicular engineering.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mitchell-Bandes/100001750373297 Mitchell Bandes

            And the Powerpuff Girls.

  • laura hannah

    …..now you HAVE to review Batman Returns.
    Nolan trilogy in 9 words: SWEAR TO ME! WHERE ARE THEY! WHERE’S THE TRAILER!
    all in all; great movie, great ending.
    Best cinema experience I’ve had since Drive
    to people who are still bitching about how Bruce got here or there he’s (the goddamn batman, what dya expect o_O) best escapologist in the world remember.
    and Gary Oldman WAS Jim Gordon.
    it’s a miracle this film was even made.

  • http://www.facebook.com/marc.lhommedieu Marc L’Hommedieu

    I think it’s entirely fitting that we don’t get closure on the Joker. Here’s why — after the events of the Dark Knight, the Joker wasn’t sent to Arkham or a normal prison. A terrorist like him would obviously be sent to a Federal Supermax prison in Alaska, the nigh-unescapable kind where you’re locked up in a tiny reinforced cell for 23 hours per day. After eight years of boredom, he finds out that Gotham City is going through the greatest period of terror and anarchy in modern history. And he has no way of affecting any of it. Even Crane gets in on the action! Batman’s worst torture was being in Bane’s pit while seeing things he couldn’t change play on a TV, but he eventually gets out. The Joker goes through the same thing, but his torture never ends.

    Nolan gave the Joker his worst of all possible hells. To be forgotten, ignored, and glossed over.

    Also, where did the Penguin get his army of penguins? Uh, from a pet store. You ever heard of this place called stores? Schaaa.

  • c.conley90

    I will say this, regardless of me seeing it or not, Dark Knight Rises will probably still be a better superhero movie than Amazing Spider-Man. Sorry, let all you fans rage against me, but

    • TheVGamer

      Amazing Spider-man is a product of Hollywood made to extend the spidey license. The Dark Knight Rises is a commentary on our society, it’s a story about heroes and ambiguity of morals, a movie about incredible will of the normal day people that happens to be a big summer blockbuster. One is art while the other is not.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ville-Gunnarsson/100000930270763 Ville Gunnarsson

    This just wasn’t an enjoyable movie – the characters, story and screen play were all mediocre. No amount of explanations is going to fix such elementary aspects of a film. The tone and pacing were so off that for a moment I was questioning whether Nolan actually directed the movie. I haven’t read any Batman comics, maybe some Batman comic fans appreciate it more. I liked the two previous Nolan Batmans, this Dark Knight simply didn’t Rise to the same level.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bryan-John-Sauriol/711670364 Bryan John Sauriol

    Why? Cause Banew as in love with Ras’ daughyter, and was acting on her behalf. That was made pretty clear.

  • Senna4ever

    Why didn’t Bane just outright kill Batman/Bruce when he had the chance instead of going all “James Bond villain” and placing him in a pretty easily escapable pit (for someone with Bruce’s talent) with the world’s greatest chiropractor?

    Wait let me guess: “He can’t…the press.”

    This was a stupid film.

    • PeaTearGryfin

      Because then we wouldn’t have a movie. Seriously, you are calling THIS film stupid because it uses comic book logic?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Lenne-Shuyin/100002432893015 Lenne Shuyin

    whats with the antwiler bros. is there any more of them?

  • http://www.facebook.com/marc.lhommedieu Marc L’Hommedieu

    Yeah, you guys are missing the point. First off, it’s not Bane’s motivation for destroying Gotham that matters, it’s Talia’s motivation, and her motivation is revenge. She’s not, you know, creating a long-term agenda for the League of Shadows that fully expresses their Manichean ideology…. she’s just getting revenge for daddy. She’s a bitter-clinger, the last sad remnant of an organization that lasted for thousands of years. And Bane is a damaged golem that follows her unquestioningly. As cool as they are, they’re kind of sad and lost people, and after they’re gone the organized menace of the league will be gone forever.

    • Strelnikov

      Nailed it.

      For both Batman and Bane this movie is a kamikaze mission….

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mitchell-Bandes/100001750373297 Mitchell Bandes

      I came to that same conclusion.

  • John Doe

    I’ve noticed that the most pretentious comments always get upvoted the most, in every single video.

    • http://twitter.com/CheeMoonYeo Chee Moon Yeo

      I wouldn’t care too much about the upvoting/downvoting system. Honestly, I wish it’ll just be removed. Better to read the comments rather than judging them based on the “thumbs up” or “thumbs down” they receive.

      • PeaTearGryfin

        Seriously, especially when some people have gotten so bankrupt on their argument that all they can do is point to the like/dislike system as a way to make themselves feel better.

        • Atmos_Duality

          On the brighter side, if someone didn’t have much/anything new or to add to a topic, a one-button-opinion cuts down on the bloat.

          Of course, this also reinforces the notion of the Whiny Majority overtaking the Silent Majority even further.

        • http://twitter.com/CheeMoonYeo Chee Moon Yeo

          Sometimes I wonder if Spoony allows the up/down voting system in the comments sections just to let his fanbase engage in civil war. It sounds like something he would do. The guy can come off as very mean-spirited sometimes, yet he still gets a chuckle out of me no matter what.
          In a way, he reminds me of Austin Aries, aka the Greatest Man That Ever Lived. There’s nothing more entertaining than Aries shutting up hecklers in the crowd.

  • http://twitter.com/bluehawk232 bluehawk232

    You fail to understand the story arc that was Final Crisis and Batman RIP. Everyone knew Batman/Bruce Wayne wasn’t going to actually be killed off and that wasn’t Grant Morrison’s intentions. He was killing off the darker persona of Batman and even when Bruce did end up returning it led to Batman Inc and things did change. Bruce wasn’t sent back in time to live through past incarnations. Those incarnations were Bruce Wayne in those parts of history moving through time. I just think people should take the time to discuss things with other people and get explanations because a lot of criticisms and hatred stems from misunderstanding the material in question. Grant Morrison’s stories aren’t for everyone but he has done some of the best work for Batman that we’ve seen in awhile and once you kind of see the bigger picture he was going for you realize how great it is.

  • http://www.facebook.com/TameFan Kim Sandlund

    It was not fun to kill batman becuase he almost wanted to die, so torture is more fun
    bane is evil as fuck

  • Erebus_Locke

    For anyone wondering: Theres a slight delay in the next Ultima video, because Spoony has a terrible migraine.

    Stay tuned.

    • Zimmad

      The conventions he visited will have some impact on it as well.

      • Atmos_Duality

        That is the most accurate answer.
        Unless it’s interview footage or anything that doesn’t need much post-editing, Spoony’s content tends to dry up right after a convention.

        Based on the content he HAS produced, Spoony is quite a bit more meticulous in his process now than he was when he was just doing audio riffing on Ripper.

    • http://www.facebook.com/mark.mcguire.5494 Mark Mcguire

      if excuses were videos this site would have more content than TGWTG. Editing is not a strenuous process, he’s just incredibly and utterly lazy, and it’s pathetic how he still has a decently big fanbase.

      • http://www.facebook.com/todd.detter Todd Detter

        He’s the Brian Wilson of internet critics. Stuck so far up his own anus that his talents take a backseat to his kookiness. Some fans will put up with it, some won’t. I’m still in the former category, but lord knows he doesn’t make it easy.

      • PeaTearGryfin

        I don’t understand why people like you and they guys who liked your comment are even here. This goes beyond disliking his work ethic and is going straight into a seething hatred of Spoony and his fanbase.

        • http://twitter.com/CheeMoonYeo Chee Moon Yeo

          If I had to pay a monthly subscription fee in order to watch The Spoony Experiment’s content, then I would have a right to complain about him being slow in updating it.
          But I don’t. I get to watch it all for free.
          While I DO want Spoony to upload faster (without sacrificing quality), since I have nothing to lose if he dosen’t…I don’t have a good reason to whine about it.
          If he really IS just being lazy like what some people are saying…I say let him be lazy. If he dosen’t want to work on his videos, pressuring him to do so isn’t going to help the quality.
          So I’ll just be patient and wait for Ultima IX Part 3. He’s gonna be late uploading it? WHAT!? HOW DARE HE LAZE AROUND WHEN I’M GIVING HIM MY HARD-EARNED MONEY TO-oh wait, I’m not.
          Oh, well. I’ll check back some other time. Hope Spoony recovers from the migraine, and maybe the fun he might have had at the conventions will motivate him to get back to working on his videos.

          • faeyr

            It’s a really basic quality over quantity issue isn’t it? Yes, other producers generate more content, but their production values are generally no where near as high and their formats are much easier to produce. Spoony’s doing something a bit different and the only issue that matters is whether or not you like the finished product or not. If you don’t, then that’s one thing, but if you do then what’s the damn problem?

          • Marcus Lundgren

            I agree with you. Spoony’s videos are of a way higher quality than most (or all?) of his peers’. But I don’t think it’s necessary to make EVERY video a masterpiece. Why can’t he churn out a few regular videos where he just does some simple stuff, like brainstorming over footage of a bad movie/game, or whatever? I think he’s funny enough to work without a script!
            In fact, some of my favorite Spoony moments ever have been unscripted.
            So if we could have a little more of that spontaneous stuff, and have it a little more regularly, then I’d be a happy man.
            Dammit! He could just turn the camera on and talk about the weather.
            Or his migraines! I don’t care.
            Or he could be lying on the floor, comatose and/or dying, waving weakly
            to the camera. At least then we’d know he was doing something!

            My point is: Why can’t he put up a lot of small and simple videos (stuff that isn’t very time-consuming or demanding), while he simultaneously works on his BIG IMPORTANT WORK?
            I think the majority of his fans would love it if he’d sacrifice his quality control for a while. and just did something simple and fun, for the hell of it!

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1442290943 Derek Thomas

            I would totally pay for regular OLD spoony content. Like 10 bucks a month.

          • http://twitter.com/LibertaerGER Christian

            If I had to pay a monthly subscription fee in order to watch The Spoony Experiment’s content, then I would have a right to complain about him being slow in updating it.

            You miss the point, the lack of updates after a long period of time, the lack of quality compared to the old stuff and poor fan contact ain’t justifyable from a fan perspective. The content is sponsored by adds so get over the bad excuse of justifying things over the money perspective. No one DEMANDS something – at least no one should do this. The situation simply sucks.

        • http://twitter.com/Aeraeni Matt Critchley

          No, it isn’t really Pea. But you and I already covered your selective perceptions and how biased they tend to be in another discussion, so let’s leave that for now.

          I agree to an extent with the argument made below by Chee that we don’t pay any subscription etc, to watch Spoony. These videos are indeed made by him with no payment from us for our entertainment. However, to my knowledge Spoony’s living is based off of advertising and the inherent attention/hits that this site generates. In short, his income is based upon satisfying his fanbase.

          You’ve tried to imply just now that upon making harsh criticism of Spoony, his conduct and his work ethic, we apparently cease to be part of his ‘fanbase’. That isn’t true. Just like Todd above commenting on how Spoony’s own attitude has been losing him fans, but that he himself is still counting himself among the fanbase.

          Recently his fans have been, to say the least, poorly treated. Noah seems to have decided that he can afford to lose a few, and so doesn’t seem to worry about for example, the way he’s conducted himself on twitter lately towards well meaning fans – even those that weren’t admittedly making the mistake of giving ‘instructional’ advice on how to help his situation, which I can agree can come off as condescending and antagonising. Noah’s made no apology on the site that I’ve seen, and doesn’t seem thankful for our patronage. Instead it seems more like he simply expects us to be there to dole praise on him when he finds the time to create content.

          His output is extremely low lately, but that is only one facet of the problem. The real problem is that he doesn’t show any regard for his fans. That is the core of it. His web stats, his income from the site and his fanbase will all continue to decline unless he addresses that.

          Identifying that point doesn’t mean that I don’t enjoy his work. I do. He’s a talented writer and performer and when on form, he’s witty and funny. But Noah isn’t helping himself a lot at the moment, especially where his fans are concerned. Do yourself a favour Pea, and stop trying to wave the flag whenever someone discusses this fact.

          • PeaTearGryfin

            No, there is a difference between somebody clearly being a fan of the site who is just disappointed and somebody who clearly hates this site with every fiber of their being. Saying that you have a problem with the output rate doesn’t mean you hate the site, implying that anybody who likes the site is an idiot proves that you aren’t a fan. As for the Twitter thing, the guy was diagnosed with bi-polar disorder, got medications, and has since greatly improved, so I don’t see how that is still a valid reason to be a dick. Of course the guys output is low, that’s what happens when you are doing the work of about 10 men by yourself. I don’t consider myself as the guy who waves the flag, I just consider myself the guy who offers a counterpoint to all the madness. As fans, we really can’t do any more than wait patiently until he gets the next review done.

          • http://twitter.com/Aeraeni Matt Critchley

            The work of about ten men? Oh lordy… and you fail to see where you border on fanaticism.

            Spoony does not do the work of ten men. Even for a gentleman who has increased his show’s reliance upon technical expertise, special effects and character gimmicks in order to sell his material – his output is very low. Let us not forget that in the month long interim since the last proper review video, we’ve had an hour of him sitting on a couch, talking about the Dark Knight Rises with his brother, followed by a video that involves him sitting on the couch, doing a Let’s Try.

            I appreciate he’s been to conventions, but did he put up any videos of these events, discuss any material from them, or even place up a little notice entry stating that he wouldn’t be releasing material due to his attending these events. No, and that goes back to my earlier point concerning his disregard of his fans. As before, he thinks we’ll just be here for whenever he wants to throw something at us.

            But back to those two vlogs.

            These are incredibly low on time expenditure, since they don’t really involve any post-editing or setup beyond acquiring the items and setting up the camera. Furthermore, even if he has a project in the background for part three, it has been a full month now since the Ultima 9 part Two video. You’re claiming he’s making some herculean effort, the like of which would take ten men? Well all I have to say is they must be ten guys who really hate their job.

            Honestly, I don’t believe you’re the guy making a counterpoint to the madness. You’re exhibiting simple obstinacy around the issues being raised, ignoring them because you are bothered by hearing criticism of Noah. I’ve seen a great many very eloquently put points concerning arguments similar to those I’ve just raised and others before. They don’t need a counterpoint, because if you actually READ them, the vast majority of them actually address the situation with balance already, discussing the good points of Spoony’s work, and what he was and is best at, and ideas of how he could recapture that. You tend to ignore that repeatedly.

            And again, your ‘work of ten men’ comment really should bring you an epiphany on your flag waving side of things. You think you don’t, while dropping phrases like that? Oh boy…

      • Regi Nald

        Does he? Maybe most of his followers on twitter just couldn’t be bother to unfollow. But his web stats have definitely dropped if you compare to when content was regular. And now he doesn’t have TGWTG to boost his earnings with more views either. Maybe he should pull his finger out or call it quits. One video review a month is pathetic compared to the output of most of the solo guys like Phelous. Not sure how he’s affording to live. Suppose his hard working bro pays most of the bills now.

    • Regi Nald

      What’s new?

  • http://www.facebook.com/TameFan Kim Sandlund

    the fun part is batman gone 8years, bruce wayne gone 8 years and noone sees that??

    • Strelnikov

      Possibly it leaked out that he loved Rachel, the woman who dies in “The Dark Knight” and that’s why he is this brooding shut-in. After all, Bruce Wayne is known for picking up and leaving for long stretches of time in these movies; the only difference is that he’s not leaving the house.

  • KerfuffleHogback
  • KerfuffleHogback

    During the scene where Dent threatens the fake
    honor guard who was actually a paranoid schizophrenic, Batman warns Dent
    that killing him would put all the cases in jeopardy. Batman reiterates
    this to Gordon at the end.
    http://goo.gl/jQ8Qj

  • http://www.facebook.com/ferreiraoaf Tiago Ferreira

    Thumbs up if you want WrestleWrestle back. Yeah, I know, even with TSE he can’t put out a video a week but damn, one year hiatus, lol.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=73600571 Shaun Knutsen

    Hey, Spoony. This was a good review. I loved the movies itself in spite of it problems and closed the arc beautifully. The only real nitpick I have is your refusal to buy Batman taking the heat for Harvey Dent. I heard this one before and I have some reasons
    1. He figured blaming it on the Joker would be stooping to his level
    2. He wanted to avoid future copycats imitating him.
    3. He wasn’t exactly popular at that point and felt like he was doing more harm than good.and felt this would make him feared by criminals again.
    4. Rule of awesome

    Also, I like Batman Returns but 100% understand why you hate it. It has such a fucking incoherent script and it is just so mean and nihilistic. Makes The Dark Knight look like A Christmas Carol.

    So even though I don’t always agree with you, I love you and Miles going back and forth on this.

  • http://twitter.com/CedarMusketeer Bryan Gardner

    OK, I have seen all three of the Nolan movies, and the problem I have with them is simply that I am a Comic book fan, and these movies really have nothing to do with the comics.

    All 3 movies are based on one simple thing, Nolan wanted to make a “Believable” Batman movie, and he did that. We see how Bruce Wayne is slowly breaking down as a human being, the Human body, no matter how well trained can take the kind of punishment the Batman suffers without long term effects. So in this last movie, when we see what has happened to Bruce Wayne walking around with a cane and making himself a shut in because of guilt and depression over losing the one woman he loved, it makes him more real as a character. You don’t see Christian Bale patrolling the streets of Gotham by swinging from roof top to roof top. These three movies are more like a DC Elseworld comic if anything, and I personally enjoy them for not being like the comics.

    I am really looking forward to next Summer and Nolan’s new Project, Man of Steel. I have a feeling he is going to go back to the original Superman Movie Formula, you will believe a man can fly.

  • http://twitter.com/i4mzani iamzani

    Seriously there is so much complaining on here, Spoony is probably doing his best. Its what he loves doing! And seriously people need to understand that making videos (reviews) is ALOT of work and long work! I am serious! Try sitting infront of a movie (or play a game) you hate the fuck out, try and make funny jokes (while suffering through it), write a script, film it and edit the whole thing, sounds easy? I dare you to try! And yes I myself am doing it, I just finished my first review and man it is long proces and a lot of work! My intro alone took me 7 hours alone! However Spoony if you are having a hard time or working on something else, let us know! Your fans want to know! I will always have a great amount of respect for you though!!
    Oh for those who are bored, you can check out my site. I am just beginning but maybe you like it. Try it out!
    Oh this is not an attempt stealing fans, more like sharing? We cant have enough people doing this stuff right :D? And I would love some feedback from you guys!

    site: http://www.iamzani.com

    Hope you like it!

    • Atmos_Duality

      However you interpret it, it’s whoring yourself out on another person’s website.

  • http://www.facebook.com/quinn.koehler.9 Quinn Koehler

    Oh wow another Vlog, sigh… you need to do work son…

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Discordius-Erisianus/100000352364153 Discordius Erisianus

    People of this comment page, I bring ye the solution to all our problems!
    Oreo needs a toy that makes no noise. Life a bone.

    • Simoneer

      Life a big bone.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Discordius-Erisianus/100000352364153 Discordius Erisianus

        Well, you know. My bones. Your bones. Bone’s bones.
        Grammar is a bitch. I didn’t know I could edit posts at the time.

        • Garmrspor

          Haha, yeah, it’s no biggie. Couldn’t resist pointing it out, however.

  • http://twitter.com/kelbivdevoe Kelly

    Dat hair.

  • http://www.facebook.com/jesse.cubberley.3 Jesse Cubberley

    So much emotion on here, relax and everything is gonna be all right.
    Or explode.
    But either way you would have achieved more peace

  • http://www.facebook.com/samantha.fornier Samantha Fornier

    Where was Superman while all of this was going on? Same universe, there is no way he would allow that many people to die, and would have stepped in to help, since obviously everyone in the world knew what was going on. It would only make sense for him to show up. I call bullshit! That and this movie was boring as shit. Batman and Robin was terrible, but at least entertaining, this movie failed on all counts. All super heroes must die.

    • Scirocco

      i noe rite!?!?!?! also dey havnt adreesed the ishue about Jake Sully and Optimus Pwime! I meen dey all apart of de Avengers rite!?

      • Scirocco

        To the person who down-rated me, I was being sarcastic. That is all

  • Erebus_Locke

    Another update: His headaches are extremly severe and “cripple him for days”. So unfortunatly Ultima will take some more time.

    • Merost

      Thanks. He should have two Twitter Accounts, one for Smalltalk and one for Infos regarding this website.

      • Turkey OnAStick

        The second account would be sooooo inactive.

      • PeaTearGryfin

        I don’t understand why so many people get pissed that Spoony doesn’t use his Twitter account exclusively for site updates. Nobody uses their Twitter accounts for only for work updates. Besides, it’s his account. He gets to do with it what he wants to. I know, I know. Joo is just stoopid bitch. Fuk off already.

        • http://twitter.com/CheeMoonYeo Chee Moon Yeo

          Despite what happened between Lupa and Spoony in July (and they have acknowledged that they were both immature and out of line towards each other in it)…honestly, from the bottom of my heart…Spoony really is fun to follow on Twitter.
          I’m serious. Just like his v-logs, he’s the most outstanding guy out of all the Channel Awesome reviewers when it comes to what they put on their Twitter accounts.
          I’ve gotten some laughs out of reading the tweets of Todd In The Shadows, Benzaie, Cinema Snob and especially Bennett the Sage, but goddammit, Spoony stands out amongst them all.
          The most recent one was Spoony telling of the story in the Bible when Jesus Christ declared that a fig tree shall never bear fruit again.
          “FUCK YOU, TREE!!”
          Yes, he can be a real dick to people on Twitter, but just for sheer entertainment value, I won’t petition for him to close his account. Just stay clear of incurring his wrath and have fun reading the Tweets of the self-declared Lord of Tekkan.
          I miss his Wrestle! Wrestle! account. Spoony sarcastically noticing a pattern in John Cena main eventing every single WWE PPV this year in non-title matches made me laugh.

  • marabackman

    “Guilty, guilty, guilty!!” xD
    Was that a reference to the courthouse-scene in the beginning of “Twice upon a Time”? Because that movie is awesome :D

  • http://www.facebook.com/frappierfrancois François Frappier

    After this Vlog, Spoony will get physically ill and delay his Ultima review. When posted, it will be awesome. He then will get physically ill and delay another review. When posted, it will be awesome. He then will review Twilight part 5, which will involve lots and lots and lots and lots of squeaky toy noises. He then will get physically ill……….

  • kalzal

    The next time you’re doing a convention over in Ireland could you let people know?

  • doresh

    Good to know what to expect from the movie. The trailers can be really misleading.

    But you know, I find it funny that people praise this particular Batman trilogy for its “realism”. Just think about it:

    - Batman Begins: The villain’s master plan revolves around a microwave device that can vaporize water burried under several feet of concrete, yet doesn’t affect the water we humans are made off (Batman and Ra’s even have a duel RIGHT IN FRONT OF THAT THING). The Adam West movie’s villains turning major UN members into dust by removing all of their water (AND being able to turn them back by pouring water over them) made more sense than that.

    - The Dark Knight: Magic cellphone hacking sonar powers to the max!

    - The Dark Knight Rises: Apart from the healing punch, there’s this Batwing-thing. When I first saw it in the trailers, I thought someone just added rotor blades under the Tumbler. How the hell does that thing fly, anyways Oo ?

    For a “realistic” and “gritty”, these movies sure tend to get goofy towards the end…

    It’s not to say that this trilogy is bad, I just think some of its praise is a bit… weird.

  • David_Dennings

    I’ve spent a solid 4 years following Spoony on the website and last night I hit the awful realisation that I’m not sure if I can continue. I’m sure I won’t be missed etc but Jesus Christ, Spoony, get off the fucking Twitter. I think there was one actual vaguely-pertaining-to-videos tweet in the past week that’s been buried beneath a pile of self-aggrandising bullshit. I know this has been going on for some time now but I’ve finally reached the lamentable point where I can no longer look at this man and not think “what an insufferable prick”. Maybe I just need to watch some videos again to drown these thoughts but I’ve already watched them back so many times waiting for new ones I’m starting to get a bit sick of them too. I’m going away today and will be back home on Wednesday – I don’t expect any new content when I return. If there’s a written apology for contempt of his fans or, hell, an actual schedule that doesn’t revolve around conventions and Twitter I might just be sated. But there won’t be, will there?

    • Erebus_Locke

      The Twitter Part would be less annoying if he had two Accounts, one exclusivly for site-infos.

      AND: That way he would have actually a list of all the things he planned, like a proto-schedule.

  • http://www.facebook.com/martin.wehrmeyer Martin Wehrmeyer

    After a long time I will share my opinion as well, because I feel like I need to express myself at least once about the current situation.

    The Spoony Experiment is dead. With endless Vlogs and more endless periods between actual content that takes some effort and wit to produce, its just not worth my time. I have been a fan of Noah’s work since the review for Yor came out. I bookmarked it on youtube back then and was glad when I found his website. I found a reviewer with hilarious humour, clever jokes and ironic distance. He took that movie apart and the improvised feel of it all made it more comfortable to watch, more atmospheric. I loved it. As time passed I watched more of his stuff, Final Fantasy VIII, Swat 4, Phantasmagoria…all the classics. I had great laughs, with you. Spoony was a normal guy with something to say and the wits to express it. He made stuff up from the top of his head, creating new context for what happened on the screen, maintained the balance between silence, nitpicking, riffing on stupid shit and irony.

    That has changed overtime. Spoony’s review have grown into an overproduced behemoth that have no balance in anything. Noah has forgotten the difference between humour and rage, jokes and astonished faces and most of all, quality and video length. His first reviews were a few minutes and great. Phantasmagoria went over 4 hours and as crappy as the game was, Noah’s commentary made it not only bearable but entertaining. Staged fits of rage are funny if your audience consists of 12 year olds. We are not 12 year olds (I hope so at least). You being unprepared is SO MUCH funnier than you taking a month to put out a video (which is a pathetic rate, even with regard to your health problems, I’ll get to that later) which consists solely of:

    1) exaggerating the hate you have for the thing you are going to review
    2) insulting stuff beyond human capabilities of rage about nerd stuff
    3) digital effects I hate
    4) characters like Tidus and Dr. Insano.

    You don’t need much. Your audience doesn’t want to see fancy effects, no extraordinary visual effects or production value. Your audience wants to see quality, and your old style had quality.

    Of course you have health issues. Everone has health issues, and I totally respect that. In January you announced that you are back at the end of a review (I don’t remember exactly which one). After more than half a year, I must conclude that you seemingly are not back. Its a bad mix of being active and sick, and neither your fans nor YOU deserve that. If you are ill or sick or whatever, then take a break. Its the most reasonable thing to do. I personally am totally okay with you taking as long as you need to recover from issues, and I think a lot of your older fanbase has the same opinion.

    And to everyone who is going to tear me a new asshole now because I’m such a hater: trust me, I don’t gain anything from hating Spoony. I love(d) his work, his reviews, his style. I am trying to point out to the world what I think has changed into what. I wish I had no reason to “complain”. I know that I have no right to complain because I don’t pay money for his work, but its nevertheless a “BETRAYAL” of his fanbase. I voice my opinion anyway because I get more and more annoyed by the ass-kissing part of his fans that yell down every piece of constructive criticism.

    I’m not going to comment on the stuff that happened on twitter and so on as its your personal stuff. But please learn to respect your fans the same way they respect you – as something very worthy to keep in touch with.

    • Zimmad

      Everyone here thinks like that, at least his old fans. No one is going to “tear you a new asshole” (Well apart from PeaTear, but that guy has become a joke)

      I dont know what to say really. I love Spoonys old videos. Spoony is one of the few critics that not only can point out obviously funny parts like 99% of the so called critics (HAHA LOL THIS GUY HAS FUNNY HAIR OOLOLOL) but actually knows how to take apart a video intelligently, show logic errors and flaws in continuation.

      So I actually enjoy his Vlogs, and dont mind them at all. But I OH SO MISS his old game reviews and Lets Plays. “Fuse Box Counter”, “I heard that Curtis!” and “Youre in my way sir!” are still THE buzzwords I connect with Spoony. The Ultima review is great, but also seems a bit “stiff” and “forced”.

      Maybe he should shut down the site for a while, take a year of creative absence, and then come back full power?

      • PeaTearGryfin

        What do you mean only me? Scroll down through the comments. There are a lot of people who comment on how stupid YOUR argument is before you even show up. I would say if you don’t like it, then leave, but at this point you have shown that in your mind you are the only fan with any common sense and this site should be tailor made to what you want.

        EDIT: You ever want to have some fun discussing how “right” you are, come to the forums I know a few there who would be happy to give you a lesson in just how wrong you are.

        • Erebus_Locke

          The forums? You mean the place were Spoony last ~3 fanboys are busy sucking his cock after everyone else got banned?

          Bad example. Oh and you still will have like 20 downbotes after this.

          • Dylan Ramackers

            Fuck you. If you don’t like Spoony then why the hell are you on this site? I’m here because I enjoy his videos, if you don’t stay away from them!

        • Spectr

          You are a joke. Spoonys Forums have even become a “meme” after Spoonys & Scarletts ban rage that purged them from everyone even SLIGHTLY critizising him or his videos.

          You honestly sit with the two other guys still left in these forum, circle jerking how awesome Spoony and his videos are? And want us to come to the forums? Yeah sure. Why dont you come out here? Oh right you cant, because otherwise you would be burried in counter arguments that would destroy youre litte fanboy-fantasy-world.

          • Spoony_is_God

            Fuck you! In the forums are the true fans! We werre watchign spoony sicne youtube! Why dont you register there and tell us your stupid lies about spoony?

        • Zimmad

          you are so stupid, you cant even read our comments propably. EVERY comment that critizised him, also expressed ADMIRATION for him and his older videos.

          Thats why all his fans post this “negative” comments, they dont hate HIM, they hate what he has become. And that you little twat, is also what it means to “be a fan”.

          Being a fan doesnt mean to suck his cock and scream joy at every turdy “ohhh Im so sick”-Vlog. Being a fan means becoming emotional, when something that we once loved now disappoints us. Because we still hope he will regain his footing.

          But of course, you dont understand that. Because YOU little retard arent a fan. You are a “fanboy”, some miserable little looser that defines his whole existence around Spoony, and cant stand seeing his hero without a flaw being attacked.

          • http://www.facebook.com/martin.wehrmeyer Martin Wehrmeyer

            This is exactly the reason why I wrote that long ass comment. Not because I want to piss anyone off, but because I became emotionally invested with him and his work and because I am disappointed. I still admire him for what he did back then, but I can’t even force myself to like his new approach.

          • PeaTearGryfin

            I have an idea than. How about instead of bitching the comments section and calling anybody who disagrees with you a loser, we try doing something that is constructive. If editing is truly as easy as your camp claims it is, why don’t you step in and offer to help with editing. I don’t see how calling for this whole site to be shut down is making any kind of progress in any way.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1442290943 Derek Thomas

            PeaTear’s got a point as far the site being shut down. But that’s about it.

        • Hastee

          you’re the funniest thing thats been on this site for months… so thanks for the laughs. Lord knows, Spoony hasn’t been delivering in that department.

        • Spoony_is_God

          Imn with you PeaTear, and 30000 followers on twitterr are too! Dont listen to the haters!

      • BraveDave88

        I agree with everything you said, but honestly I’ve gone past the point of hoping to see the situation improve. Spoony called us a minority of whiners on his twtiter. And I guess that’s all we are to him. To him we aren’t people who have spent years being emotionally invested in him or his success, we don’t have a long history of loving his work and just want to see him reach his potential. We’re just whiners and trolls.

    • Malidictus

      Far as I’m concerned, Spoony’s vlogs are as entertaining as his videos. Easily my favourite of his material is Wrestle Wrestle, which essentially consists of a series of 90-minute vlogs. In fact, it always irks me when people ask for “fewer vlogs” since those I are what I come to see anyway. Reivews are fun in their own way, but I don’t consider them “better” than vlogs. You quote catch phrases like “You’re in my way, sir!” I quote catch phrases like “Why have a match, when you can have a gimmick match?” As well, despite not actually playing D&D, the counter monkey sessions are some of the most fun I’ve had on the site.

      I don’t really care about getting “real” reviews any faster than I am, so long as I get to see a vlog every now and then. As always, Spoony is the only reviewer I’ve ever seen who’s just as funny unscripted as he is running on a script, if not more so, so any actual vlog is music to my ears. Especially those regarding bad movies.

      And as far as the actual reviews go, I prefer them long. The longer the better. 30 minutes is just fine, but like with Wrestle Wrestle, I wouldn’t mind seeing 45 minutes and up. I believe Linkara had a few of similar length for special occasions, and they were my favourite of his work. If anything, I’ve gone to the much-vaunted Final Fantasy 8 reviews that were five minutes long and I really find I don’t enjoy them. I’d much rather have the Final Fantasy 10 reviews because they’re simply more enjoyable to me.

      I don’t “get” people who call betrayal, like Spoony owes any of us anything. I’ve always seen his work as I see the work of other critics – this is something someone does for free. If I like it, I take it. If I dislike it, I leave. I see no reason to make a big huff out of it. Unless, of course, we do feel like we’re owed something and we do feel like we should have control over what Spoony does, and I just don’t believe that.

      • http://www.facebook.com/martin.wehrmeyer Martin Wehrmeyer

        Final Fantasy VIII had another quality to the review. It was subtle, yet effective nitpicking that enraged the fanboys of the game to no end. I remember some of the Youtube comments that were downright insulting, so it must have had effect. I can somehow see why you find the FF10 review more enjoyable, but I can’t agree with it. The humour started to wear off and turn into mediocrity. If you haven’t seen the old stuff first, its easy to have a hard time understanding why a lot of people love them so much. Problably as its hard for us “oldies” if you like to call them that way to understand why you like the newer stuff, even the 30+ minutes Vlog. Yes, they are improvised, but they don’t really count as a review.

        Spoony doesn’t “owe” us anything. This, however, doesn’t mean that he has improved in his quality over time. It is quite ironic that Spoony is picking on Ultima 9. He said he started the retrospective to show us how great the games were and what long way they have come over the years and how they ended up. Its almost scary to me how well that analogy fits. Spoony has had a great past with a lot of unique elements, constant development and creativity, adding new ideas and concepts to his humour all the time. It was very unpredictable to put it in a nutshell. I remember the intro for the Dirty Harry review where he talked about how none of these sequels had the name Dirty Harry in them and so forth and then “Surprise Shitty NES game!”. I did not see that coming – another Spoonyism I love.

        Nowadays I turn down the volume in advance when he’s going into scripted rage mode for a minute. I don’t even need to know what he says, because I know it doesnt add anything of quality to the review. The eyes and his forced facial expressions communicate enough. He isn’t in control of the stuff he reviews anymore. He is being a tool of his own unreasonable rage.

        I am sad because I saw Spoony rising to fame, him winning the mashable awards (rightfully so!), all the new ideas he had – and then his fall, which is his own personal Ultima 9. The reasons for the deteriorating quality may be different – but both Ultima 9 and his review of Ultima 9 take the same spot in the chain of events. If that makes sense to you.

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1442290943 Derek Thomas

          Does that mean Scarlett was the guardian? HA ha ha big red.. get it? Ha.. I made a funny. I’m just saying. From what I understand, that was part of his decline. I’ve only been following him the past year and a half.

          • http://www.facebook.com/martin.wehrmeyer Martin Wehrmeyer

            One could think so…Scarlett was a redhead after all. Coincidence? I don’t think so!

        • Malidictus

          Oh, I saw his old stuff. That’s what I started watching from him first. And I hated his old stuff quite a bit. In fact, back then I was convinced “The Spoony One” was a crap reviewer and made it a point to avoid his material right up until he did a crossover with the Nostalgia Critic and Linkara for the Alone on the Dark review. At first I was horrified, but found Spoony to be a very strong actor and so came to this site to find more of his stuff. What I found was a host of vlogs and THAT is what first got me interested in the Spoony Experiment. It wasn’t the reviews, it wasn’t the “unpredictability,” it was the fact that here was a guy who could sit down in front of a camera and be funny off the cuffs. I’ve honestly never seen that elsewhere. Hell, I found even his “Spoony vs. the World” vlogs, even though these are 90 minutes of the guy talking out of his ass.

          What really made me a fan, though, was Wrestle Wrestle. These are vlogs the quality of actual produced reviews done all in one sitting with no script or planning, and yet they’re still some of the most amusing things I’ve watched on the Internet. And I don’t know if you’ve noticed but I have – after doing a whole bunch of Wrestle Wrestle, Spoony started bleeding that into his reviews. For instance, he went through a bout of heart problems in the middle of his wrestling reviews, causing him to have to start drinking mid-review to keep hydrated. So in one of his Final Fantasy 10 reviews, when Spoony went to pick up a bottle to drink at the end of one sentence before a cut, my brain barely even registered that, never realising that the point of this was so he could spit water in shock on the next cut. And it worked.

          I am, frankly, not interested in analytical reviews that break a game into its component parts and go over details. Not for laughs and giggles, at the very least. I’m interested one guy sitting down in front of a camera and just talking about a game, both good and bad. Yes, I know it’s scripted, but I prefer reviews that feel like this. And about the rage: Again I refer you to Wrestle Wrestle, where Spoony spends several episodes depicting the “passion” of an angry Rick Flair elbow-dropping his coat and screaming until his head turns purple, including a line along the lines of “I aspire to be like Rick Flair one day when doing a review, like ‘I HATE IT! I HATE IT! I HATE THIS GAME! AAARGH!’ you know?” Sure enough, a few weeks later, Final Fantasy 10 shows up, and one of the early segments is the Spoony One doing pretty much that in response to Titus. And I, for one, loved it.

          Simply put, I’m not interested in the old reviews because I find them largely boring. They may be informative, they may be professional, they may be factual, but they are not funny. They are, to me, the reviews of a man who has not yet found his stride and, agree with it or not, but the Spoony One’s stride is being an actor. And I STILL find him to be the best actors among Internet reviewers.

          • Craig Pierrot

            Nah! He REALLY “found his stride” in the “John Carpenter’s ‘The Thing’ for PC” review. Before that, he was basically trying to emulate Armake21′s style of reviewing, which was apparently un-scripted-like. “The Thing” was his first scripted review, and THAT was where he really started to “find his stride.” I mean, it’s where the “Fusebox Count” gag came from, arguably by FAR the longest running gag of The Experiment! Then he only improved over the FFVIII series and even more after that. Maybe he’s just a lil’ “out-of-practice” now? IDK, just throwing ideas out there. ^_^

            But OMG, I *LOVED* the recent twist he put on “fusebox count” gag! To where instead of counting with that “*ding*” he was counting with those “BETRAYAL” and “this game SUUUUUUUUUUCKS” sound clips instead? I mean, ok, maybe it did kinda start to get a _lil’_ old by the end of the review, MAYBE, but god damn, that was funny! …not to mention kinda appropriate! “The Codex of Infinite Wisdom?” “What’s a paladin?” LOLOLOLOL!

          • Malidictus

            I don’t think we’re on the same page as to what “found his stride” really constitutes. I won’t deny that “The Thing” review was good, it’s one of my favourites, as well. That still has a mix of script and improv and is a good mix. But like I said, the vlogs is what I cherish the most because to me, they’re the most impressive. Check out how Spoony does his cuts and you’ll notice something that’s not there for almost any other reviewer – long, uninterrupted “in front of the camera” takes all done in one go. Even other reviewers I like, such as Linkara, tend to do very short takes of themselves, basically saying a few sentences, and then intercut with other footage, and even then you can see them looking off to the side for the script. Spoony is the only one I can think of off the top of my head who does these long cuts with so much rambling that it comes off feeling more natural.

            The truth of the matter is it’s a lot easier to edit just audio so as to edit flubs, forgotten lines than it is to edit actual video of a person talking in front of the camera without just introducing a zillion jump-cuts. You don’t see that in any of the older reviews because in those, you barely see Spoony on-screen, and when you do it’s usually for a short gag like Chaos D1 tends to do. I don’t know which I’d call the first “full” review he’s done… Possibly Dirty Harry, possibly Robowar, but that’s about where Spoony starts doing long takes in front of the camera, and that’s where I think he’s does his best work.

            I know some have criticised the faces and the anger and such, but to me, that’s really where he shines because a lot of the time, those have a hint of reality in them. Again, watch his Wrestle Wrestle episodes and you’ll see the guy yelling into the camera to “View the tapes! Watch the shooow!” completely unscripted. That, to me, is impressive, and that started with that faithful off-the-cuffs review of the Slammies that originally got Spoony to admit he watches wrestling. That, to me, is where he hit his stride because that’s where you see the current style first start showing up. And I’ve watched a lot of “angry” critics – the AVGN, the Nostalgia Critic, Nash and so forth, and I’ve always found their anger hard to accept because it’s played for parody. “Oh, he’s so adorable with how raging he is!” With Spoony, I buy the anger even when it’s scripted, because I know the man is capable of genuine anger of this magnitude and even worse.

            What I’m saying is that when you watch a review from pretty much anyone else, you can tell it’s fun and games. Yes, they act angry, but that’s just for the stage, man. Even Rob Walker has admitted to exaggerating a lot of his reviews for comedic effect. With them, you KNOW it’s all fun and games. With Spoony, you’re never quite sure when he’s playing and when he’s serious because just about everything I’ve seen him do in a review, I’ve seen him do in a vlog first.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=611579271 Matt Browning

            Jesus, Armake, I forgot. I used to find that funny, dumbass that I was. Man, thanks for the reminder, you’re right. That’s how I found him, through the related vids in an Armake video.

        • Craig Pierrot

          Ok, first off, a little bit of background and where I’m coming from:

          I am a 23 year-old male currently still in college (at the University at Buffalo in Buffalo, NY).

          I started following the AVGN around 2007, but also discovered TheNostalgiaCritic once those two had started their “feud.” lol, I even remember when “The Critic” had originally put out that contest to search for a “Nostalgia Chick,” which Lindsey Ellis won with ThatGirlWithTheGoggles (I think was her name?) coming in at a somewhat close second.

          I originally “discovered” spoony by following the links off of TGWTG when I was bored, looking for something I hadn’t yet before watched, and discovered Spoony, who by FAR seemed like THE. BEST. talent on the site. I’ve been following him ever since, which I think was around the…oh God, I don’t remember what video review was new at the time, but I *DO* remember that soon after I discovered Spoony and the SpoonyExperiment site — maybe about a month or two or so after — that he also introduced me to the CinemaSnob by providing temporary hosting for him while he got his new site, thecinemasnob.com, up and running as The Snob’s YouTube account had then-recently been suspended. This was before Spoony had moved to his new place, and so before he had concluded his FFVIII review with parts 9 & 10. (But after he had unintentionally abandoned the FFVIII review for other things and reviews in the mean-time.) I remember when he originally did the Phantasmagoria 2 and SWAT 4 LP’s, the Reb Brown films, all of it. Truly the “Golden Age” of “The Experiment.”

          Now, this is coming from someone who only _thought_ about joining the official forums (I was gonna until a few minutes later when I read about the BS taking place there with Scarlett apparently “stifling dissent,” lol) and who has NEVER, EVER, EVER, EVER, EVER, EVER, *EVER* been on Twitter (yes, there *DO* still exist people who see Twitter as nothing but a fucking retarded concept — an inferior and partial copy of what Facebook ALREADY did/does SO well), so I *MAY* be truly ignorant about what was, in fact, going on behind the scenes but…anyway, my point:

          I’ve actually had an oddly sneaking suspicion for a LONG time…pretty much ever since the Scarlett break up, since that _almost_ seems like the moment The Experiment “jumped the shark”: did she ever help Spoony out with editing at all? Or pacing? Or give him any sort of creative input? Like, maybe help him out creatively with any suggestions for jokes or even suggestions about editing or visuals? Or possibly even moderate his “on-camera rage” by helping him think of more appropriate jokes? (Tho in Spoony’s defense, there, he has been trying to review the game that, for him, is his personal video game equivalent to The Phantom Menace, so…maybe all those “reaction shots” are justified, IDK. lol)

          Or could Scarlett’s presence in his life and their relationship have had just made him happy enough help him be in the perfect mental state to perfectly augment and support his creativity and comedy/comedic skills?

          I ask this…not out of any sort of malice, insult nor mal-intent, but rather, out of personal experience. Because I personally, well…I was with this girl who I was CONVINCED was *THE* One…like, we practically fell head-over-heels in love at first sight! Like, the BOTH of us! It was like we could read each other’s minds…we liked the same things, thought the same ways about things…we complemented each other nearly PERFECTLY and completed each other similarly perfectly. It was INTENSE…I, *WE*, were SOOOOOOOOOOOOO happy together…it was almost as if we were the other’s crack-cocaine or something! lol.

          In fact, we always used to say to each other that “we were each others’ drug,” and that “Oh God…we’re fucked…aren’t we? ;~D <3" (As in, we were *SO* MADLY in love, that, not only would we have gone to ANY length or given just about ANYTHING to be together and stay together and that no matter WHAT happened between us, no matter HOW mad we EVER got at each other for *W/E* reason — and given the sheer intensity of the relationship, the negative emotions were as EQUALLY intense as the positive ones [she once hit me with the car for Christ' sake and we were over and past it within HOURS] — that we would always, *ALWAYS* get over it as if it had *never* happened, returning back to our previous, intense, "OMG YOU'RE PERFECT YOU'RE THE ONE-YOU COMPLEMENT PERFECTLY-YOU COMPLETE ME I NEED YOU AND NEVER WANT TO LEAVE YOU EVER-PLEASE NEVER LEAVE ME" feelings and relationship.)
          She completed me (we completed each other) and caused me to be an AWESOME person that I could've NEVER been without her (and vice versa)…and tho our lives were almost total chaos at the time — conditions that would've caused any NORMAL person to become so depressed as to become near-suicidal — I'd NEVER been happier! It was the happiest time of my life! As miserable as the conditions around us were, (and I'd rather not go into them, thanks) we actually looked FORWARD to waking up each morning! To quote Bill Maher quoting something in jest, "[she] made me content just BEING…"

          So the night of July 10th, 2009, when I was forced to leave Little Rock, AR to move to Buffalo, NY (a distance of 1,150+ miles), FAR prematurely ending our AMAZING, almost written-in-the-STARS relationship (being ADHD: Inattentive, long-distance relationships are really difficult, if not impossible, for me), it put me into a similar depressive funk as the one Spoony had been in for that year or so — which, for me, ALSO acted as a catalyst to bring out *MY* underlying mental issues, namely the anxiety I suffer co-morbid w/my ADD: Inattentive, but also a heavy touch of depression, too. (Tho I'm still not sure whether I was just depressed or my anxiety had just led me to be depressed [over my loss and lack of happiness or hope {for the future}]. I don't think I'm clinically depressed, tho, but I'm not certain.)
          Anyway, after that first year, at first I *THOUGHT* I was better…but, rather, from that point I'd only started to enter into a similar…continuously stressed…dare I say, jerk-ish or prick-ish stage, as the one it seems Spoony may still be in. I nearly lost a LOT of friends…Hell, maybe I even DID! In fact, I probably would've lost a lot, LOT more friends, but, fortunately, I was able to recognize that my state of mind was still NOT normal and that, unlike Spoony, I had the liberty to just silently drop off the face of the 'Net (namely, FaceBook) until I was able to "fully recover." I only had a few "in-person" friends in the meantime — probably a reason for that — because maybe that's all I could keep with that state of mind, I don't know. I probably seemed like an anxious, stressful jerk…which, btw, is SO COMPLETELY unlike me it's not even funny! (I was always the hyper, seemingly always happy guy sort of guy.)

          In fact, looking back, I'm really, REALLY glad that I silently dropped off of Facebook and disconnected my YouTube account from my it for that meantime, because looking back at my YouTube comment posts from that time, I really HAD become a fucking jerk! …just as Spoony had/is. I'd really hate to think of all the people I could've possibly offended and all the friends I could've possibly lost had I not done that.

          Now I'm smart and intelligent as Hell (ADD not withstanding), and in 2005 was able to not only gain admittance into, but also to graduate from in 2007, the Arkansas School for Math, Science, and the Arts, which was the charter magnet high school (part of the University of Arkansas system) that Bill Clinton had founded himself as governor of Arkansas before he was elected President in '92. The school only admit ~150 student per year, and they only admit the smartest kids in the State. (Yes, believe it or not, there ARE some really intelligent people stuck living in the Bible Belt…they're just VASTLY SURROUNDED by the fucking retarded, religious, bigoted morons w/few and/or crooked teeth that those regions are infamous for. This is true even of states like Mississippi.) It's a college-prep, boarding school (the GOOD kind of boarding school, lol) that almost TRIES to fail you…it's hard as Hell, and most people who graduate, me included, state that the two years at that school are far, FAR harder than your first *THREE* years of undergrad in college.

          That background stated, all this affected _MY_ work, too. *BADLY*. In this meantime, I've nearly failed out of UB — TWICE! And I've only got pretty much just the gen-ed courses to go before I get my Bachelor's in Computer Science, too! (Which, oddly, is also the same thing Spoony got *his* BS for. lol) I'm now on my VERY last chance to stay in the University — a course that I'm repeating this current summer session, but at least NOW, I think I'm actually starting to FINALLY be able to once again perform academically!

          It's only recently — on the *3rd* ANNIVERSARY of my move to NY and therefore the end of that relationship — that I think I'm, finally, *FINALLY* once again starting to re-normalize. Those temporary "jerkish/prickish tendencies" I'd acquired in that meantime are starting to evaporate, and my old personality — my old self — is finally starting to creep back and return! For the first time since mid-2009, I'm beginning to feel like myself again…*FINALLY*! In fact, I just came back to FaceBook only last week…and HAPPILY SO! (Didn't realize just how much I missed it. lol!)

          And yes, I, too have also had to screw around with psychologists and psychiatrists in the mean time to find the perfect medications for me before I could get to this point.

          Now, it should probably also be noted that my emotionally devastating break-up occurred June 10th, 2009; Spoony's, as I understand it, at least, was closer to Halloween, 2010, so *IF* I am, in fact, a textbook case, and if Spoony is too, this would set him at where *I* was approx. a year ago…so still in that highly anxious and stressed "jerk-ish/prick-ish" stage, but soon to recover back to his normal self.

          Now, I share my experience, 1.) because I tend to be fucking textbook when it comes to mental issues like this (like, almost HILARIOUSLY so, lol), 2.) because I KNOW the "old Spoony" is still there (and anyone who's seen him do stand-up KNOWS this) and hopefully this'll help re-assure not only his fans but hopefully even Spoony himself that he's not "done" or "gone for good" or "permanently changed to a prick" or whatever, 3.) give Spoony, his fans, and whomever may read this some hope for the above.

          Now, that stated: I *DO* have a few suggestions…

          Take a break from the "review" format for a while, or, for now, at least, maybe do a few movie reviews for the next little bit? Also, perhaps Ultima 9 is more ripe for a "Phantasmagoria 2"-style Let's Play than a review. (Unless, it's prohibitively long, of course. IDK..never played it myself. lol)

          And I hate to say it, but there's always "Minority Report…" LOL!

          OOH! Or do "Zardoz!" You haven't done THAT one, yet, and that would make a GREAT review! I mean, come on…you'd even get to do the Connery voice! Plus you've practically *already* done it in the form of a text review…you'd only just have to cut that up into video! Easy! ^_^

          Anyone who's ever seen Spoony's stand-up comedy knows that he's actually a VERY talented comic (by FAR the best comedic talent on all of TGWTG…or USED to be, lol, but only because they recently fired him) who's (still) got a lotta good stuff left in him. Not to mention that he is, and always shall be, a DAMN good and talented reviewer, and has been since way, WAY before the "online reviewing" craze started after "The Angry Nintendo Nerd" started making his videos in 2007. (Anyone who's ever read his text reviews knows that they read EXACTLY like his video reviews watch.)

          So perhaps Spoony just needs to get back to the basics, maybe? Maybe re-watch his old reviews a bit to help and for inspiration? (*ESPECIALLY* the FFVII reviews, the "John Carpenter's 'The Thing' for PC" review, and the "Dirty Harry" review.)

          IDK, but Spoony, WHATEVER YOU DO, *DON'T*. *STOP*. I think it was "Armake21" himself that said something to the effect of "If you stop, once you start over, you have to start over from the VERY BEGINNING," and that's DEFINITELY true!

          And since the very format and structure of YouTube itself has been changed since then to favor channels that already have thousands of subs over those just getting started (unlike how it USED to be; see this video for details: youtu.be/Tl8l3rrYGb0), you'd have an even MORE difficult time than you did in the past in getting well-known. In fact, "Armake21" is actually a good example of this phenomenon, too.

          Plus the method you used to gain such fame and notoriety in the first place…well, can you think of another "Fanboy-loved" game that's practically "holy" to many gamers but actually really sucked that needs to be taken down as much as FFVIII? I can't, but, then again, you are far, FAR more knowledgeable in geeky stuff than I am, soooo….yeah.

          Anyway, I've spent enough hours working on this comment, but then I got too distracted watching the Mars Landing last night to actually go ahead and post it. So Ima post it now! ^_^

          My final words: Spoony, don't let these people "giving up on The Experiment" get you down too much. I think you just need to return back to the basics. Look at my suggestions above…I think you may have just lost yourself somewhere. I have faith in you that you'll return back to your old self eventually…healing just takes time.

          Anyway, best of luck and godspeed, man!

          ~~Craig

          P.S. And don't let you're getting "fired" from TGWTG get you down either. That site has pretty much been bullshit ever since they also "fired" T.J. a.k.a. the AmazingAtheist a.k.a. the DIstressedWatcher for being friends with the wrong "Ellis." (As in Mike instead of Lindsay or w/e.) So as far as THAT goes, good FUCKING riddance!

          Anyway, later, man! ^_^

          • http://twitter.com/cynical_otaku Lydia Beam

            Yes, yes, 10000x yes! The last thing I want Spoony to do is stop reviewing. We need to be encouraging him, not saying he’s lost his touch or his reviews are crap now. I love all of his work, and I couldn’t agree with you more. :)))

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=611579271 Matt Browning

          I am what you’d call an oldie, been around before Yor, and I still enjoy his new stuff. I respect your opinion, but I don’t think it’s correct. As a DnD nerd, I enjoy counter monkey, I love the nerd dynamic he and Miles share, I really enjoy the new stuff. The final ultima especially, because it’s tinged with real emotion. I love his old stuff, and I admit his new things are different. It’s a different style, but I enjoy it nonetheless. It is more scripted, but he’s wound up giving into what people want. As far as I’m aware, this is his work. It’s sad, but it’s become his business, and it’s what makes him money.

      • http://twitter.com/cynical_otaku Lydia Beam

        Thank you! I totally agree. Every time I see someone cutting him down or saying that his recent material is sub-par, I just want to slap them across the face. What I’m most afraid of is that one day Noah will see one too many comments like this and just stop making videos altogether. Ireally don’t want that, and so i’m going to support him no matter what he does. Personally, I think his very first videos are just as funny as his most recent one.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000651399507 John C. Westray

      As if Spoony or Noah ever read this stuff. But alas, I feel your pain. Sometimes a creative leaves us. It is as natural as death. But I don’t think we should grieve so soon. We need only to wonder about until our paths bring us back this way to pick whatever fruits may have been born.

    • http://twitter.com/LibertaerGER Christian

      Staged fits of rage are funny if your audience consists of 12 year olds. We are not 12 year olds (I hope so at least).

      Get of your stick dude. He shows up his acting talents by exaggerating the rage against some virtual characters. You don’t have to be 12 yo to not sit on a stick and not moan about some guy who don’t take himself too serious.

      insulting stuff beyond human capabilities of rage about nerd stuff

      I do love the fact that he doesn’t worship liberal crybabies but sometimes it is not obvious if he nitpicks things to death or mindless fanboys sells their souls for a crappy series. :)

      • http://www.facebook.com/martin.wehrmeyer Martin Wehrmeyer

        “Get of your stick dude.”

        Do you imply I’m arrogant? I think you should re-read my comments.

        “He shows up his acting talents by exaggerating the rage against some virtual characters.”

        Acting is one thing – staging rage in order to create shallow jokes and childish humour is another. It’s not what he had the most success with and its not how he created the most memorable moments of his reviews with.

        I have trouble to comprehend your last sentence…neither can I see what liberals have to do with it nor how the clause after that makes sense. It may be me only. Can you please rephrase that?

        • Dylan Ramackers

          Yes you are arrogant. If it’s funny, it’s funny. It doesn’t matter what age you are. If you don’t enjoy it don’t watch it.

        • http://twitter.com/cynical_otaku Lydia Beam

          You may think it’s childish, but some of his fans aren’t the most mature people anyway. Hell, I’m almost 19, and I still find his ranting at Tidus to be hilarious. You can’t really judge comedy, because it’s objective. Your taste in comedy might not appeal to others the same as mine might not. :)

      • http://twitter.com/Aeraeni Matt Critchley

        You’ve missed the point. What Martin’s trying to say is that Spoony is beginning to rely less on his wit and simply good writing and more upon special effects and gimmicks, exaggerating ‘rage’ at something that we can see is rather fake and exaggerated. That’s where the work begins to suffer.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jovan-Stipic/1520802005 Jovan Stipic

      its darkest before the dawn

  • Spectr

    Spoony should go on holiday. You can just feel his videos arent as spontanious anymore, he seems to see them as work “he has to put out”, and not as something he just does for the fun.

    I enjoy his Vlogs, but I would prefer he would do more old stuff, like reviews and Lets Plays. But yeah, see my first sentence.

    • Merost

      Sad thing: he doesnt put them out because of his fans. He puts them out because the clicks are his only source of income.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1442290943 Derek Thomas

        Ooooo..low blow. But your so right.

        • Atmos_Duality

          A strangely dark, but probable explanation.
          Because if I had “fans” like Spoony’s, I’d reconsider the personal value placed on my own species.

    • http://www.facebook.com/frappierfrancois François Frappier

      What? Constructive criticism? Let PeaTear aka Spoony’s Bitch commence the retort!

    • PeaTearGryfin

      You know what, if it helps remove some of the stress from his life and the site, then I would agree that Spoony should take a few weeks off. I would rather see this site be something were everybody is welcome to come and view the new content without all the hatred aimed at each other over bullshit reasons. I would say though that I think the LPs are pretty much done. I think he really only did those as a spur of the moment thing and I just don’t see the passion in doing them anymore.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1442290943 Derek Thomas

        Downvoted, just for kicks. XD

      • Spoony_is_God

        THANK YOU!

  • Erebus_Locke

    Spoony spent the day at painting an playing Warhammer 40K….I thought the Pathfinder sessions were terribly boring, but I would be interested in a filmed Warhammer 40k session.

    I love the WH40K universe, the books and the games, but I have no interest in the table-top. So seeing how an actual game would play out greatly interests me.

  • WildCardLeBeau

    Dudes . . . Don’t hate.

  • http://www.facebook.com/quinn.koehler.9 Quinn Koehler

    It’s funny because I keep coming back to the site looking for that new video and it’s never there. I want it to be there, I am a fan. Then I check his Twitter and it looks like a chat log… The fuck man? Spend your energy doing what you do (did) and if you can’t, shut it down and quit fucking with us.

    That being said, I get that you are going Syd on us, but according to the rest of the band it happened over night, so I’m calling bullshit. He stopped being a twit at the same time he stopped producing entertaining music…..

  • http://www.facebook.com/Zandrous Daniel Powers

    You know what? You people on here busting his balls, acting like a bunch of spoiled little fucknuts. Why dont you step away from your keyboards, go find a cactus, scratch your nutsacks with it and shut the fuck up. I mean really, this is just fucking retarded. The guys does have a life BEYOND this website. Yes he makes an income from this and from his merch that he sells through it. But considering the recent departure from Channel Awsome I’m sure thats kinda taken a slight decrease to say the least. Also add in the fact health issues, having to make public appearences to see his fans (you know, YOU AND ME) AND other personal issues that we may or may not be privy to. I mean really people how fucking stupid do you have to be to think that he owes us something at a time we want when we want.
    Is he our fucking parent? I dont see him popping out a tit and having anyone suckle on it so I kinda think not. He isnt an elected public official. Hes a reviewer, critic and entertainer. And you know what? THATS FUCKING TIME CONSUMING YOU OVERENDULGED SHIT SUCKERS! Now I’ve written scripts, I’ve done projects that involve bits of video editing and I can tell you even a simple project can be a major pain in the ass. Not to mention a majority of it is likely the work of ONE GUY….you know…THE GUY WHOSE NAME IS AT THE TOP OF THE FUCKING SITE!
    And while we’re at it. How about everyday life? You know….sleeping, eating, taking care of his household, maybe he has a job ASIDE from this that he has to take care of, spending time with his family (Miles, parents, etc.), trying to have a social life with people (whether involved with the internet review business or otherwise) and trying to keep himself healthy considering he has health issues. I can relate to quiet a bit of that. I have health issues that stem from genetic predispositon that made itself known only a year ago. It can kick my ass hard too when it decides to rear its ugly mug. I have to balance being a single father of two, being a twenty five year old male with a social life, a pending divorce a job AND my health. And it stresses me the fuck out and depresses me to no end sometimes. I can relate, to some degree at least, to what he has going on with his life. I’m not claiming I know what goes on in his mind, his own personal experiences or anything like that. But I can sympathize with the man. And I know he doesnt need some guy like me defending him and maybe someone else has said the shit I have or similar to it.
    But you know what? He’s done me a lot of good over the few years since I became aware of his show. He, along with other people who take the time to do shows like him, has made me laugh, kept me entertained and kept me in a decently stable mindset through a lot of rough times. I always look forward to his reviews, v-logs, quick vids or whatever he posts up. Hell Ive gone back and rewatched quiet a bit of his vids so many times I can almost quote them verbatim. I dont sit here and expect him to do a video when and where I want it to happen. Would I like to see more posts on here? Hell yeah I would. Do I expect him to stop his entire life to do so? FUCK NO! I appreciate the time and effort he puts in to entertain us. I’m not here to kiss his ass or to be some kind of metaphoricle martyr. And you are all welcome to have your complaints about not having enough spoony vids to satiate you and express your opinions. But so do I. And here’s my opinion.
    For you shitsucking donkeyhumpers who are sitting here saying his health condition, the fact he wants to actually have a little bit of a life inbetween running his ass off ACROSS THE OCEAN AND BACK and that he may want to spend time with people he doesnt have to talk to through a camera are sorry excuses? GO PUT YOUR MOUTH AROUND AN EXAUST PIPE AND KILL A FEW MORE BRAINCELLS! YOU HAVE NO PERMISSION TO FUCKING THINK ANYMORE AND SHOULD BE FUCKING DROOLING VEGTABLE! And you trolls who keep coming around bitching “Where’s my video?! I want my video! You arent making them like you use to!” Why dont you just go back to your mom, tell her to pull out a tit and suckle for a little bit you whiny little bitch! I mean my god people. Shit like this is WHY people stop updating websites and stop making videos. I mean you people who do this shit have to be pretty fucking stupid. Its one thing to be disappointed or maybe a little perterbed. But for fucks sake give the guy a break.
    I hope he doesnt mind some strange fuck like me who he doesnt know defending him. God knows he can do that himself. But I feel as a loyal fan and fellow human being that I needed to say something. And now I will let the rest of you people go about your business either having intellegent discussions or being ranting dipshits, whichever you choose. I’ve said my two cents and feel a lot better. Looking forward to the conclusion to the ultima 9 review and the future vids to come whenever they get put out. Until then, its back to the video lists for me. Enjoy.

    • John Doe

      Spoony?

    • Spoony_is_God

      YOU ARE RIGHT! WE ARE TH MAJOIRTIY! IF THE FANS DONT LIKE IT; THEN WAHT ARE THEY STILL DOING HERE?`??

  • http://twitter.com/CheeMoonYeo Chee Moon Yeo

    Noah Antwiler has remarked on the rabies infection that’s spread throughout his fanbase on his Twitter account.
    He’s also made it clear that he dosen’t appreciate the hate for his dog.
    Out of all the people who review stuff on the Internet, his fanbase has become the most notorious out of anyone who’s ever worked for Channel Awesome.
    In a way, I can understand why he became a prick to some of his fans. I don’t condone the behavior, but I can understand it. Him lashing out at Mass Effect fans almost seems like he’s channeling his frustration towards his own fanbase at them. Not exactly the best or the most advisable way to let off steam, but the lashing has already been done. I’m a Mass Effect fan myself, and I’ve seen Angry Joe’s thoughts on the ending in the third game plus the extended ending DLC. That said, I actually wasn’t butthurt by what Spoony said in his vs. the Internet video. I’ve disagreed with his opinions on many counts but never felt like screaming “BETRAYAL!” at any point in the one year I’ve spent watching the Experiment (I discovered Spoony in 2011, and marathoned throughout his videos)
    The main dispute between fans of the Experiment is the statements that Spoony’s Let’s Plays and older videos were far better than his v-logs and current reviews.
    I’ll say this: I loved watching his Let’s Plays. I really did.
    And yet, for some reason, it’s his v-logs which I remember most (“Deep Wang!” “That mech is too pussy for me! Ye know what it needs? A big fuckin’ knife!” “So he takes her arm, and he bites her arm. And he takes her thigh, and he bites her thigh. And he takes her boob, and he bites her boob.” “FLASK OF ACID IN THE FACE!!!”)
    For all those who want more Let’s Plays from Spoony (and I’m one of them), here’s the problem:
    Spoony is NOT a Let’s Player. He’s not. He openly stated it, saying he only did those Let’s Plays as a one-off thing and for fun. Yes, he was friggin’ awesome in Swat 4 and Phantasmagoria, but he really isn’t cut out to be a Let’s Player as he lets on, and he dosen’t really want to become one anyway.
    That said, if he decides to do a Let’s Play of something ONLY because he feels pressured to do so by his fans and NOT because he feels it could be fun for himself and his fans…do you honestly think it would be as entertaining as Swat 4?
    I would love to see him do another Let’s Play, but if he dosen’t want to, I won’t call Betrayal on it. Firstly, because it will accomplish nothing and won’t help anyone, and secondly, it’s not even technically true. Spoony’s “main” style is what he did for his Highlander and Final Fantasy reviews, and he’s sticking to it.
    As for the v-logs, I’ll be honest, I didn’t really like them at first, but they’ve grown on me since then. Maybe other TSE fans find his “main” stuff more entertaining, but for me, I find the v-logs to be just as fun to watch as anything else. I once skipped over the Counter Monkey series, then decided to give them a chance…and now they are among some of my favorite stuff on this site (The Thieves’ World story is one of my all-time favorite Spoony videos).
    For those who don’t like the v-logs, well, sorry for ya. For me, I like them just as much as I like the “official” stuff he puts out.
    As for him taking a long time to upload stuff, among many other contributing factors such as visiting conventions and health issues, I think the MAIN problem that Noah faces in this is, well, he works alone.
    Reviewers like AVGN, Doug Walker, Lindsay Ellis, Phelous, Brad Jones, Lewis Lovhaug and others have people to help them work on their videos.
    Noah has to do everything by himself.
    Back then, and this is just my speculation, I think that the reason he was able to work faster was:
    1) The jokes/skits were much more simple and with lower production value and quality.
    2) He…well…he had Scarlett the “webmistress” to help him with the videos.
    Nowadays, he works alone AND decided to increase the quality of his videos, and both of those factors alone would severely slow down the progress in finishing his work, and that’s not even counting his health problems and the conventions he has to visit.
    He once fired back at some people complaining about him being slow in uploading another video, sarcastically saying “You want them done quickly, cheaply or with quality? Pick only two.”
    That’s the issue with the speed of uploading. If we want him to upload faster, then he will have to REALLY lower the quality of the videos in order to speed up the production.
    This issue has been addressed at the Anime Abandon: Diatron 5 video.
    Maybe Noah needs an assistant to help him with his videos.
    I remember that Bennett the Sage helped him aquire footage for Final Fantasy and also helped edit some of his videos, but the guy’s got his own stuff to review.
    Doug Walker’s got his brother Rob to help him with the camera work and other things in his videos, but in order to meet the weekly deadlines for his Nostalgia Critic series, he often has to sacrifice a lot of quality and just recycle jokes. His Ask That Guy and Bum videos are nice to watch, but they are also evidence as to the tight schedule that he has to meet.
    With Spoony, that’s not enough for him. He dosen’t just want to touch on the main points of something and then round it off, he wants to go through everything scene-by-scene, minute-by-minute, and for some big series like his Final Fantasy reviews, he usually wants to finish them with a bang. And that takes a LOT of time.
    Out of all the Channel Awesome reviewers, only ONE of them could manage to make a review for Final Fantasy VIII be over an hour and a half long. That’s Spoony’s style, and for many people, that’s why he’s their favorite reviewer.
    If he abandons that style in order to speed up the process and finish the videos quicker, deciding to remove or ignore stuff that he can riff on and put in the videos…then it’s no longer Spoony.
    Even his v-logs are like that when he’s talking about recently-released-to-cinema movies. We have seen Brad Jones rage about Transformers 3, we have seen Doug Walker almost have a stroke over the Breaking Dawn: Part One film, but Noah outshines them all. Doug touched on the main elements and points on the movie. Drunk Spoony takes us through the film scene-for-scene, telling us in minute detail every single thing about the movie that sucks.
    I think that Spoony’s v-logs are just as fun to watch as his “main” reviews, and also evidence of him being one of the more outstanding guys of the Channel Awesome reviewers.
    But for those who don’t like the v-logs…well, sorry, guys. Can’t help ya. Some like them, some don’t. If you don’t, there’s nothing we can do.
    So, the two main issues that Spoony’s fans have:
    1) The type of videos that are uploaded.
    2) The amount of time it takes to upload them.
    What’s the solution?
    Well, it certainly isn’t reminising back to the early years of the Experiment (the number of WWE fans who holler for the overrated Attitude Era to return…I’m an ROH fan, but I’m not going to keep telling ROH to go back to the 2004-2007 years), and telling Noah to hurry the fuck up isn’t helping.
    The point is, while we all wish for him to upload faster, that means he WILL have to lower the quality to do so. Given the choice between longer waiting time and more quality, or less waiting time and less quality, I’ll choose to wait. But again, it’s up to the individual fan what they wish.
    As for what type of video you wish to see on the Experiment, whether it be a Let’s Play, a “main” review or a v-log…there really isn’t anything that any of us can do to change Noah’s mind.
    If he wants to upload something, he’ll upload it. If he dosen’t, he won’t, and doing it only because he feels pressured to will not give us the quality we want.
    Noah has stated that after he’s done with Ultima IX, the next game he’s planning to go after next is Final Fantasy XIII…and considering how he’s gearing up to tear apart the game seam-by-seam, it’s going to take a long time to get all the footage he’ll need to review it in the way that only Spoony would. There’s nothing we can do to help him other than to wish him luck, but there ARE many ways we can annoy and hinder him by complaining and clamoring for something else.
    Right now, I think that what would I would like to see on the Experiment one day is this:
    Spoony riffs on the Bible.
    Yeah. I said it. And I’m a Christian.
    Simple, easy-to-make videos. Just the camera showing Spoony reading passages from the Bible, or maybe zoom-ins on the Biblical passages themselves…and then hearing the riffs/comments from Spoony about said passage.
    I got the idea after reading some of his recent tweets:
    “”Then he said to it, ‘May you never bear fruit again!’ Immediately the tree withered.” — MATTHEW 21:18-19.
    Yes. Jesus Christ picked a fight WITH A TREE.
    FUCK YOU, TREE.
    Hey, Jesus didn’t take no shit from nobody. ‘specially no fucking trees.
    …Except for the tree some dudes nailed him to.”
    I wonder what NOAH Antwiler would have to say about a certain someone being seen as TOTALLY BLAMELESS AND UPSTANDING by God Himself, and then commissioned to build a great Ark and put two of every animal in it.
    “And so they dumped all the animal manure over the side of the Ark into the sea, and it became known as California.”

    • Turkey OnAStick

      After this page long ramble, why am I unsurprised to see a mention about religion.

      • http://twitter.com/CheeMoonYeo Chee Moon Yeo

        Oh, come on. You know it’ll be entertaining. Although yeah, it would probably drew too much negative attention if he starts riffing on the Bible.

    • Spoony_is_God

      THAK YOUQ! FINNALLY SOMEONE WHO HAS THE RIGHT OPPINION!Q

      • http://twitter.com/CheeMoonYeo Chee Moon Yeo

        Seriously, man, please stay from my comments. I mean it. I appreciate support from other Experiment fans. Just not from guys like you.

  • http://www.facebook.com/todd.detter Todd Detter

    the free convention trips and the other perks are a direct result of the good will you’ve built over years through your unique site content. the convention opportunities will cease to exist if the site stops generating content. Your site content has to be the first priority, and right now that isn’t the case, and it is obvious. I can’t put it any more simply than that.

    • Renaissance_nerd

      Spoony goes to conventions for free? hotel, food and everything else is paid for too? wow sweet deal I should start my own site.

      jesus let the guy live a little, he doesn’t owe any of us anything. and if he wants to let TSE go to hell that is his choice.

      • PeaTearGryfin

        Hell yeah, you need any contributors give me a call. I would love some free conventions too. :)

      • Sandahl192

        Usually only badges are free to pros, and press(maybe). I only know from the pro end, and it depends on the con. Cons usually only pony up room and travel for the Guests of Honor.

  • John Doe

    Haircut, Spoony. It’s dire.

    • http://www.facebook.com/martin.wehrmeyer Martin Wehrmeyer

      I’m thinking just that for ages. Back then, Spoony had a nice haircut and everything. I’m ashamed of myself to say that, but now his hair looks…well…shit to be honest. Get a haircut dude. In your own interest.

      • level_control

        I know. Fuck people with long hair. Everyone conform to current fashion trends immediately. Scum bags have long hair like
        Alan Moore, Kurt Cobain and every musician in the 90′s, NASH, most computer programmers/hackers, every musician in the 70s, Brad Pitt, Johnny Depp, every musician in the 60′s, biker gangs, every musician in the 80s

        Spoony, I also expect you to wear a suit and tie in every video you make from now on. You need to look nice and professional if I’m going to watch your show. I’ll make sure I leave a comment nagging you about it every few days.

        • John Doe

          calm your tits, his hair looks atrocious. men with long hair simply look like women.

          • level_control

            Why are you so concerned about what other men look like?

            You obviously have no respect for the man if you think you know better than him how he should cut his hair, dress, or anything else.

            What does ‘calm you tits’ mean? You’re the one whining like a bitch about Spoonys appearance. I’m just explaining why you’re stupid.

  • Spoony_is_God

    ALL YOU HATERS ARE DUMB! Do you think youre oppinion matters? How many are you? 10? 20? DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY FOLLOWERS SPOONY HAS ON TWITTER???? 30.000!!!!!!!!!! 30.000!!!!!!!!! Yeah suck on that you haters!!! 30.000 FANS that stand FIRMLY behind Spoony. YOu luittle idots with your whining are THE MINORITY!!!! NO ONE CARES WHAT YOU THINK?? YOU DONT LIKE WHAT SPOONY DOES? Hey how about that: THEN DONT WATCH IT!!!!

    • antiquarius

      Oh wow. Seems like the “Spoony Defense Squad” has some serious recruitment issues.

      • Spectr

        “A general goes to war with the army he’s got”

      • PeaTearGryfin

        We didn’t hire him.

    • http://www.facebook.com/martin.wehrmeyer Martin Wehrmeyer

      I don’t even know if you are sarcastic or something…either fail troll or very very stupid.

      • Spoony_is_God

        FUCK you! Tell me where Im wrong hm?? Go to Spoonys Twitter, he has over 30000 fans! now how many are there here bullshiting him? hm??

        • doresh

          1. Just because someone follows someone on Twitter doesn’t automatically make him a “fan” who “stands firmly behind him”. They might just wait for the next flame war.

          2. Telling an opposition to go away doesn’t solve the problem. The opposition has to come from somewhere. They don’t just magically appear out of nowhere, or magically vanish into thin air if you stop believing in them.

          3. Not caring about what the opposition has to say just means that you don’t want changes (or face reality and admit that not everything they say are pure lies), which again doesn’t solve the problem.

          4. How many of those 30.000 loyal fans are here defending him? I thought they stand firmly behind him!

    • John Doe

      don’t know if serious or poking fun, if latter UPBOAT

    • http://twitter.com/CheeMoonYeo Chee Moon Yeo

      Stop it. You’re not helping the people who are actually trying to be fair with both Spoony and the fans who have complaints regarding his work.
      Comments like yours aren’t helping the already bad reputation that the Experiment’s fanbase is getting.

    • Atmos_Duality

      Meh. No need to spaz out defending the guy.

      If his financial situation demands it, production will pick up.

      The internet has a very bad track record of handling minor disappointment.

  • John Doe

    I get a strong feeling Spoony will end up shutting down the Experiment soon, if not very soon. He doesn’t seem at all interested in it anymore, plus he’s like 31 right? IN MY OPINION, he’s getting a bit too old for this stuff.

    • c.conley90

      Its not that he isn’t really too old, its the fact that he seems really washed up right now. I mean all the personal problems have destroyed any chance of him being really any good anymore. I mean twitter is all he really does anymore besides perodical movie v-logs (which sometimes don’t agree with me on opinion level but whatever) and Ultima which is about all he does. He use to do great game reviews and movie reviews and now he just seems not to do much.

  • http://www.facebook.com/maurice.peyton.96 Maurice Peyton

    YES!!! I’m SO FUCKING GLAD SOMEBODY ELSE MADE THE SEAN CONNERY COMPARISON FOR BANE’S VOICE IN THIS MOVIE!!!

    • PeaTearGryfin

      The first time I watched this movie, I was sitting there the whole time thinking that the voice he was using sounded familiar. Then I watched the vlog and heard Miles say that it sounded like Connery and I was like, “Fuck me, it was Connery.”

  • Renaissance_nerd

    people bitch that Spoony needs to take time off… then when he takes time off you bitch that he’s not making videos.

    how about you all just shut up and worry about your own life and let Noah worry about his.

  • http://twitter.com/NevixAstari Herman Cillo

    … I get why you said “Big Trouble in Little China”, Spoony. It’s cheesy, campy 80s fun with a solid scripts, decent action, good comedy, some thought provoking foreshadowing if you think about it, and it’s just an all around good movie. Not great, but a great candidate for a personal favorite movie.

    As for Dark Knight Rises, I think it’s flawed but good. There’s a good movie there and it does break new ground in the Batman movie franchise, but it’s mired in a lot of flaws and plot holes. The advertising was also pretty bad. After I saw Dark Knight Rises, I was pissed and ended up seeing Brave immediately afterward.

    Brave is actually on about the same level, but for the opposite reason. Brave treads old ground with a new movie, but it has flaws in it too. There’s a specific contrivance in Brave that pops up several times, but the rest of the movie is very good. The advertising for Brave also did a very good job of making the movie interesting without giving away the whole plot during the ads.

    To me, both of those movies are in the 8 to 8.5 out of 10 range. With Brave being slightly higher due to having less plot holes.

  • http://twitter.com/ladydiskette Christine Dean

    After all the shit I heard happen down at Rotten Tomatoe regarding Critics and the rabid TDKR fanboys I am supred they haven’t come over here to start shit with Spoony. Provided the rabid fanboys over here scared them off already. lol XD

  • http://www.facebook.com/krista.davis2 Krista Luckett

    He’s a narcissistic douche. I used to be a fan, then I saw how he treated his fans. Not to mention the fact that the only videos he puts out are 2 hours of him bitching because he likes the sound of his own voice. I loved Spoony, but I won’t support someone who has this much contempt for the people that made him something in the first place.

    • Amanda Rive

      …..I’d say my thoughts on this comments, but I’d rather not feed the troll

  • Daniel Thomas Stack

    Oh The Hobbit tangent. Its even easier to see him doing 3 movies when you check out what has been stated he is doing in the movies. He is including what Gandalf and the White council were up to while Bilbo and the Dwarves were on their quest to retake Lonely mountain. You know that little adventure in south Mirkwood where it is discovered that Sauron survived and it wasn’t just a dark wizard in the tower of DolGuldur that is spreading evil influence through Mirkwood. A tower that is only about a days march from Loth Lorien by the way. So yeah there is that whole adventure in addition to the content of The Hobbit we know love and was sold as a children’s book.

  • Daniel Thomas Stack

    This story arc has a missing story. I know it would have been difficult to do but the fall out of the lie on Batman and his decent before going into hiding really needed to be seen. We also need to see the actions that bring Bruce to his less able state. Like that wearing down you mentioned in the comics. Its something that should be shown and its a full feature worth of missing world and character changes that we didn’t get to see.

  • http://www.facebook.com/domenico.tozzi Domenico Hairyfoot Tozzi

    for all of you that say “but he’s ill! he needs to take days off!”
    Here’s a little quote from TB right at the beginning of this video that sums it all up perfectly.
    “If my voice sounds off it’s because I’ve contracted plague, so if the next few videos don’t sound right that’s the reason. The show must go on, when you’re self employed you can’t take days off, that’s not how it works.”
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHweNoI-eec&feature=g-high-u

  • http://www.facebook.com/raven.alexander.39 Raven Alexander

    i may not have been a fan since the youtube days, but i did start following him on NC’s site, and he quickly became one of my favorites. i dont get this though. why all the hate? if you dont like him, or the things he posts…. STOP WATCHING. no one is forcing you to watch these, and no one is forcing you to make an ass of yourself by posting hateful comments. honestly, this is why i hate what the internet has become these days… its pathetic.
    Spoony… you are amazing. you always get a good laugh out of me. fuck turning on the radio, when i have homework to do or what ever, i turn on a vlog. your reviews are great, i respect your opinions, and i wish you fucking lived in texas because you are the kind of guy id drag along with my friends to just hang out with and have fun.
    go ahead people, tell me to quit sucking his dick, what ever. but honestly spoony, dont quit what you do.

  • usernamesolame

    I love the changes to this site. It used to have great reviews, LPs, and vlogs but the change to this all text content is even better. A religious war between two sects; I don’t know if they have names but I’m going to call them the Olds and the Forevers. The Olds seem to have set up a base here and are launching an all out down vote attack. Meanwhile, the Forevers have fortified their strongholds Forum and Twitter. They challenge the Olds to come to the Forum, but the Olds are afraid to make the trip. The Forevers have a super weapon there; They call it Banned.

    And the characters! The Olds keep sending minions with threats that they aren’t coming back, but the Forevers have at least two stalwart warriors who are ever vigilant. That 30000 twitter followers guy cracks me up every time. I can’t tell if he’s being sarcastic or not, but I love it!

    My only complaint is that the story never seems to end. Hopefully, God will return to reunite the warring factions and usher in an era of lasting peace.

    • Atmos_Duality

      Two feuding factions brought to new mutiny.
      I just call it…”trolling”.

      • usernamesolame

        I hope it’s just two factions realizing how silly all this is. Come on, this is a vlog about a Batman movie. It’s not a war zone. A new video has been posted and I think I’ll watch it. But I’m sure it will be a new battleground for

        “Dinner was delicious,” I said.

        “Stop wasting your time here,” Me replied. “Just let them argue. They will do it anyway and both sides will call you a troll. Because anyone in the middle is always a troll to someone.”

        “But they can’t deny that dinner was delicious,” I retorted. “They wouldn’t dare say that dinner WASN’T delicious!”

        Then Me said, “They will find a way.”

        Bored now.

    • Turkey OnAStick

      This is one of the dorkiest things I’ve ever read.

      I wish Spoony would hurry up and post the third Ultima vid. If vlogs on a fortnightly basis is the direction this site is going to take, I will step away and leave it for the few who can stomach this guff.

  • http://www.facebook.com/dan.butcher.35 Dan Butcher

    You know what would go a long way for Spoony? He should put down the Diet Coke, do some exercise, get a shave and a haircut, and then come back fully energized, ready to put out a review. I’ve fought in both Iraq and Afghanistan, so in my eyes Spoony’s mental problems seem fairly small. If he actually made an effort to clean himself up it would be a big first step getting back to the Spoony we used to know.

    Also, it’s time to put the dog out when he’s recording. I love dogs, but do we really need to be interrupted time after time during a review. It’s getting old.

  • Sandahl192

    That shirt. :D
    Go Team Edward!

  • Erik Bergstedt

    I appreciate you, spoony..

  • http://www.facebook.com/daniel.elsner.583 Daniel Elsner

    Well everyone here seems preoccupied with various assortments of heavy, so I thought it seemed like the perfect time to talk comics. What Spoony says about “status quo” in comics(esp. DC) is worse than wrong, its right! But there are a few titles that I wanted to mention that I liked very much that manage to rise above the status quo by standing alone. One is called “Secret Identity.” It is a different interpretation of the Superboy Prime character, where a dude in a universe where Superman is only a comic book character gets named Clark Kent as a gag by his folks, but starts to actually develop superman powers. It is a really interesting take on the character because instead of punching the Time-wall the guy decides to help people but be as secretive as possible, often moving so fast that no one can even see him saving the day. Superman essentially stays a comic book character because he never goes public. In fact he goes to great lengths to avoid being “outed” even when the government tries to catch evidence of his existence. The part I liked best was the ending which I wont spoil but seemed to me to be a wonderful hat-tip to “What Ever Happened To The Man of Tomorrow.”(which, incidentally, is also a really good comic about breaking status quo)

    The other is called “Identity Crisis.” I know, it has “crisis” in the title, but don’t be scared. It a Grant Morrison story; the living, breathing genius who brought you “The Invisibles” and “Arkham Asylum”, one of the the best selling comics of all time. Its actually a story wherein Sue Dibny, the wife of Elongated Man, is killed in their home. The mysterious attack on a loved one throws the superhero community into a panic of blame and suspicion. One of the reasons I like it so much is that it portrays the archetypal superheroes like Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, all of them really, in a much more human light. We get to see them not battling huge galactic monsters but grappling with insecurity and doubt. We see the superheroes dealing not with interdimensional conflicts, but rather with crises of conscience, morality and identity(see what I did there?)

    Anyway if you like reading comics and haven’t read these I highly recommend them. Sorry to interrupt everyone’s seriousness.

  • illidan4ever

    I can understand people being mad about the New 52 when you’re talking about characters that are just flat out gone but for everything else the way I see it is summed up with a couple words: alternate realities. I hate this concept in comic books but once you accept them you can see these reboots as merely a condensing of similar realities. To sum up, I still see the past histories as effecting the characters and fix the tone in my mind to how it should be. However, this does not excuse things being rewritten in the current universe. Batman should of never been raped and Damian should not exist as the offspring of that…thing. I like Damian as a separate character and as Dick’s Robin, but when looking at his relation to Batman it’s just insulting. Bruce Wayne did not deserve that, after all he’s done. And why can’t he just have a normal kid? It’s starting to appear as a creepy cult to me.

    Peace.

  • http://twitter.com/Dr_Shotgun_MD Randall Taylor

    I heard patrick Stewart, Gandalf, & Connery.

  • http://twitter.com/DarkoDesign Alvin Ofori-Brown

    The thing that just struck me is why none of the cops worked out who batman is. If you look back when batman first appeared he was driving around in his bat tank blowing up stuff and the police were often chasing him in helicopters and cop cars. This was all over the media at the time. Then later on they see Bane and his crew riding around in bat tanks. How? Sure they were a different colour but the exact same design and the design is so unique that it stands out like a sore thumb. Then next question is where did he get such an arsenal from? Did he copy the batman’s bat tank. Also all the board members knew they just got robbed of their bomb and other junk and these things suddenly show up? Then lets go one step further and go for something pretty obvious that Batman has a lot of tech at his finger tips so he must be loaded. Put it all together and on top of the fact that as soon as Bruce Wayne comes back from his years of being a shut in that the Batman suddenly reappears??? You would at least think Batman is in league with Bruce Wayne if not HE IS BRUCE WAYNE! Anyway just my two cents.

  • http://www.facebook.com/per.bergman.3 Per Bergman

    I thought Bane sounded like Decard Cane from Diablo II

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bobby-Kenneth-LePire/740918078 Bobby Kenneth LePire

    I know I am late commenting here, but been very busy and just around to seeing TDKR and then this review of it. My biggest problem with the movie is all the plot-holes- we’re told the prison Bane came from was an almost entirely dark hell hole with very little light, but when we see the prison it’s not like that at all! The Miranda Tate ‘twist’ was laughably easy to predict, and the lead-in to the sex scene was terrible (“Hey, who is in this picture?” “My dead love. Let’s get it on.” C’mon!) How did Batman not fall through the frozen river in his extremely heavy suit/ gear? Things like these happened throughout and drove me crazy. However, there was a lot to like here. Excellent review, I always love hearing your opinions.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=696559890 Jimmy Vestberg

      Yeah rright, laughably easy to predict? How so?

  • illidan4ever

    I just completed my Batman (Dick) and Robin (Damian) series and now it hurts more than anything. Those first 6 issues are awesome. Then…7-9 are just awful. It feels like Morrison doesn’t know what his point is, like it was forced on him…and at points I feel like the characters are reversed.
    I always wanted to see Grayson as Batman and the way they deal with it…how he doesn’t want to be Batman, but knows he has to be, Alfred’s advice, him and Damian’s interaction (which is WAY better than him and Bruce’s in the new 52)…lost opportunity. 7 issues in and they are already trying to get Bruce back. I would not have cared at all if it were 100 issues in, but 7? 6 issues of BatDick…that’s all?!
    And they had to have known of the new 52…it was 1 year before! Why even bother? Give us 26 pure issues of Dick and Damian. Just that 3 issue interlude controls the tone so much…and when thinking of 26 issues, 3 is a lot. It feels like Morrison game up after those 6 and then he’s off at 16.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002482593543 Ashley Peekatchu

    you missed a big point in banes taking over of the city was what he said to batman, when people have hope it eats away at them and eventually destroys them when they lose all hope

  • tobias Mbonne

    HOW DARE YOU SIR!? Batman returns is a wonderful classic rivaling that of the original. Granted, there were some less then realistic elements to it (catwomans ressurection comes to mind), but it also had an interesting multi-dimensional conflict, great casting, a nice pace and very decent action. “Where did the Penguin find a gang of clowns?” He lives in gotham city, why wouldn’t he have a gang of clowns at his disposal? What else would circus folk in gotham do for a living?

    On a more serious note, especially considering a big part of this video was spent ranting about very legitimate gripes with the modern comics industry, you should consider starting to review comics. That niche seems to have been completely monopolised by a certain Minnesota native of an organisation you’re no longer affiliated with, and a new set of eyes would be welcome to those of us with a bile fascination and an interest for said medium. Just some good old fashioned rants would be great.
    For any self-entitled child on this message board who reads this: This is what is called constructive critisicm. Whining about Spoonys stuff not being as good or frequent as it used to be is not.

    • c.conley90

      That’s Linkara’s job by the way. To review comics.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Angus-Livingstone/100000149532560 Angus Livingstone

    I really hope Noah doesn’t read these bullshit comments about people bringing him down.

  • http://twitter.com/ogodhowdoitweet McMarcus

    Man, spoony, your viewers are idiots. Haters AND fans alike.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1110810355 Luke Knox

    Bronson First movie? ah how about Star Trek Nemesis, the main villain?

    • André

      I thought we didn’t talk about Nemesis?

  • YARIM MACHADO

    It’s not really a Bruce Wayne movie… it is a Batman movie.. Rachel tells bruce at the end of Batman Begins that Batman its not his mask. That Bruce is the real mask. Bruce became the bat and thats what I really liked about the character.

  • MichaelT

    I’m with Spoony; I do not care for the Tim Burton Batman movies.

  • Gearbreaker

    catwoman steals his .. prince? However, Spoony I’m sorry I totally disagree with your opinion on TDKR. I simply can’t understand how you call bullshit on Prometheus and at the same time praise The Dark Knight Rises. At least Prometheus tried to have a subject, while TDKR didn’t even do that (no “Anarchy vs. Order”, no “overcoming of your fear” or anything of the kind) and was a bad action-film at the same time. I’ve never seen a fight in a genremovie as worse as the first confrontation between Batman and Bane… seriously that was atrocious!

  • http://www.facebook.com/peter.larsson.16752 Peter Larsson

    Blip can’t fraken show this? Seriously?

  • http://www.facebook.com/daniel.westgate.100 Daniel Westgate

    I don’t get why no one can climb out of the hole or why they even need to make that jump. Are you telling me that no one, even Bruce Wayne can’t make a vertical climb for that short rest of the distance or at least to an exposed brick? I can run up a wall a bit and I have no training or physical strength and you’re telling me someone who is tied to a rope can’t do it? Can’t even shimmy up a bit? It wouldn’t bother me so much if it wasn’t a vital part to the plot that we keep seeing over and over and every time I’m like, “why? Why is this ‘impossible’?” Why not just have no rope? Then I’d believe it. The rope was only there to make it more realistic? but it makes it less realistic to me, so I can only assume it’s there for the fear symbolism.

    The “I saw it in your eyes” thing is kinda jarring how it just forces it right onto us, but really, it happened when he was a kid and you can kinda see how a kid’s imagination could build it up and make him be convinced of it. That and, you know, Bruce sinks into the shadows and Batman vanishes around the same time and you know, Bruce is freakin rich as all hell and one of the only people in Gotham who could afford to be Batman.

    Gordon is so dense about the issue and Gotham was such a shit whole I’m surprised he figured it out and wasn’t just like, “I’ve consoled hundreds of orphaned children…” But that’s just something I smirk about.

  • http://www.facebook.com/erik.brock.33 Erik Brock

    i don’t understand any of the hate this movie has gotten at all. if you went in expecting Avengers with Batman then you can’t have seen the other movies. the fact that Nolan’s Batverse has a brain is what makes it my favorite of the live-action series. i still like the others, but this is my favorite. th e only thing that comes close is Mask of the Phantasm.

    i like to think that The Joker gave Bane the finger and went off to do his own thing(in Metropolis >:D).

  • JBsianime

    I find Batman incredibly stupid and this review explains why. Gotham seems like it’s the only city in the world and Batman, as a character, is a dumb pro-lifer. He continuously refuses to kill psychopathic, sociopathic, genocidal, powerful, evil monsters of humans. A few shots with a sniper would have solved all the crime in that hell hole of a city.

  • http://www.facebook.com/eric.richard.148 Eric Richard

    Please review batman returns.

  • http://www.facebook.com/manuel.wolf.94 Manuel Wolf

    the movie was really good, up until the final battle with bane. then everything turned kinda dissappointing (not bad, but given how great the movie was before, it was still annoying)
    first of all, why did bane bother to trap the police and keep them alive? i guess you could say that he was trying to “poison their souls with hope” but if he’s willing to go to such lengths, why not also stage a resistance group that is fighting his regime and have them be opposed by gothamites who support him, so no one can trust each other anymore? it seems like an insane effort, considering he has a superbomb that’s going to blow them all up in a few months either way.
    second, how did the police think it would be a smart idea to walk up to the radical, well armed mercenaries with high-tech armoured vehicles, through an open street? seems like a very stupid idea, given that they have shown no qualms of killing anyone who opposes them before. i mean sure, they’re not soldiers, but you’d think the police would have enough understanding of basic combat rules to STICK TO COVER!
    then bane gets hit by a grenade launcher that blows up cars and punches holes in concrete but only knocks him back a bit and talia al ghul dies in a car crash, even though she was in the front seat and could have even been strapped in, while gordon survives without a scratch, in the back with a bomb.
    the scene where batman says “being a hero can be as simple as lending a kid your coat to show him the world hasn’t ended” could have been left like that. but instead of just nodding and showing recognition in his facial expression, they had to have gordon spell it out. not too bad.
    the police dude’s real name being robin seemed really stupid. couldn’t they have named him richard grayson and given another subtle nod to the comic fans like with liam neeson’ “there are many ways to achieve immortality.”?
    lastly of course the scene where alfred sees bruce in the restaurant could have been much better resolved by him just looking across the room, looking perplexed for a second and then starting to smile.
    those last three points are nitpicks, i know, but they seem to stem from the need to pander to idiots and could have been resolved much more intelligently.

  • http://www.facebook.com/casey.wade.501 Casey Wade

    So, I finally got around to seeing this last night, and say of me what you will, but I fucking HATED this movie. I loved the first two Nolan Bat-films, so maybe I was just coming into this one with expectations set too high, but when I finished this, I was trying to compare it to the other Batman movies, and Schumacher came to mind (more Forever than B&R, but still).

    I’m not saying the movie was completely without merits; the first act was solid, Catwoman was easily the best character in the film (clever, sassy, and always finding a way to advance her own ends), and I liked the deconstruction of a real person as a superhero in that Wayne was beat to shit and when the movie started was basically being held together by his skin. I even really liked the first fight with Bane, as not only was Bane physically dominating Bats, but since he had received the same training from the League of Shadows, all of Bats’ usual tricks and misdirections were ineffective. There were a few comparatively minor missteps early on; Alfred leaving Bruce (which still makes sense, it’s just out of character compared to every other iteration of the character I’ve seen) and Bruce still being heartbroken of Rachel 8 years later. I get that he had an idealized view of her and an expectation that she had chosen him when she died, so it’s natural he took it badly, but 8 years? They never even slept together, which I’m pretty sure Bruce uses as a familiar hello for women, much less did they actually have a relationship, so I’m sorry, but it just doesn’t ring true nearly a decade later. Also, Blake having figured out who Batman is by the look on Bruce’s face was stretching my credulity, and when Fox decided to show Bruce the gadgets he had on hand despite Bruce explicitly not asking, he might as well just said “we’re just going to establish all of this for the audience real quick.” Oh, and Bruce trying on his new knee brace and kicking through brick; great, your knee works again, doesn’t change the fact that every bone in your foot should be shattered! Even the act I liked, I still have a ton to bitch about!

    But those nitpicks are ultimately minor compared to the rest of the film to follow. Bane leaves Batman alive in the “inescapable” prison with NO GUARDS, the doctor just punches his spine back into place and then hangs him up on a rope, then a few training sequences later he’s as good as new? Bullshit. Apparently years of hardcore wear and tear, muscular atrophy, and a severe ass kicking can be recovered from in a week or two with the proper care. At least video games have shit like cure spells to excuse this level of narrative convenience. But the scenes of attempted escape from the prison is where my suspension of disbelief went flying like a bat out of a well. They show another inmate attempting to escape, failing the final jump, and the force of the fall causing his the recoil from his support rope to kill him (think Gwen Stacy, but with a rope around the torso instead of a web to the leg). Bruce then proceeds to try and fail TWICE, with the same recoil from the rope, and slamming his head into the stone wall, all to no further injury. BULLSHIT! That last guy’s spine must have just been made out of marzipan and toothpicks, since Bruce, whose back had just recovered from being broken, was totally unhurt. Not to mention that it’s not until at least a month there that the WORLD’S GREATEST DETECTIVE thinks to ask for a translation of what the other inmates are chanting when someone attempts escape. Bruce’s success at making the leap by not using the rope, thus making it a do-or-die scenario, is also lame, because not only is that really underwhelming, but again, the other guy died, it should have ALWAYS been a do-or-die scenario, not to mention that he was perfectly aware of how badly Gotham needed him as Bane had made sure he would be able to witness what was happening. And then, upon finally escaping, Bruce, who I remind you has NO MONEY (having been bankrupted earlier in the film) manages to make his way across what is implied to be continents, get into Gotham while it’s on lockdown with nobody allowed in or out, and find Catwoman with no way of knowing where she’d be (unless that last one was supposed to be lucky coincidence, but given how completely unsurprised he is to see her, I don’t think so). The levels of Ass Pull here are simply astonishing.

    And speaking of Gotham, it doesn’t escape the bad writing. First off, Bane’s plan for trapping the police underground, why didn’t he just kill them? They would die when the bomb went off anyway, killing them would ensure that they wouldn’t be able to stand against him should they ever escape, it really wouldn’t have been that much more effort, the city would be deprived of it’s law and order either way, and Bane doesn’t give a shit about psychologically torturing the cops, if anything, it would have been far more torturous for Batman to know that his failure got hundreds of cops killed. Not to mention that in order to trap them, he had to predict Gordon’s plan perfectly. Seriously, if Gordon had gone the more rational route they joked about in HISHE and just sealed off the outlets and sent in a SWAT team or two to go Lt. Spoony on their asses, he would have had no plan and would have had an army of cops in his way. Oh, and as far as them getting free and opposing Bane at the climax, are we seriously supposed to believe that the cops, who have been underground, many literally, for the last 3 months are supposed to not just stand a chance, but ultimately beat Bane’s equally large army of better trained, armed, and rested henchmen? To say nothing of how wrong it felt to see Batman fighting in broad daylight..

    As for the actual scene of Bane setting off his explosives and making his move on Gotham, way to undercut the dramatic tension by having a running back outrun the ground collapse and find safety in the end-zone. And Bane’s revelation of Gordon and Batman’s coverup of what really happened with Dent is face palm worthy. Why does anyone believe this masked lunatic? What does he offer for proof that what he’s saying is true beyond a letter that he can’t prove Jim Gordon wrote? And the letter itself was 3 pages long, yet Bane only read about a paragraph worth of text, so was he giving us the cliff’s notes, or did Gordon write it in 50 point font?

    Bane himself is another sticking point for me. Don’t get me wrong, Tom Hardy did an awesome job, and I have no complaints about his transition from comic to film (though at least using some kind of painkiller or steroid as a Venom stand in would have been nice). Rather, my problem is in how he is written and his role in the plot. Simply put, the prison from his backstory played a larger role here than he ultimately did, since it was the focal point of roughly half the film. And Bane’s actions and machinations would have been great, had he not been supplanted in the last stretch by Talia al Ghul as the main villain, effectively leaving Bane as just her main henchman. And the way he gets taken out, getting blasted with a grenade launcher fired by an off-screen Catwoman, he wound up going out like a bitch. Though he wasn’t the only one, as Talia dies when her armored truck crashes despite being in the cabin, with seatbelts and airbags and shit, but Gordon riding with the bomb in back, with nothing but hard steel to support him, walks away with not even a limp (FF13 much?).

    I could bitch about this damn movie for another three pages, but I’m already at essay length and dinner’s ready, so I’m just going to say this: this movie sucks and is up there with Batman Returns and Batman Forever in terms of failing.

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